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Author: BobR    Date: 01/04/2008 13:15:07

... or at least the Republicans there do. He won a decisive victory in the Republican caucus, sending Romney off to nurse his wounds. Thompson finished a surprising 3rd. Guiliani didn't even register on the scale. It was a result few would have predicted several months ago when Guiliani was the assumed candidate (with an endorsement from Pat Robertson), when Thompson got Rove's minions working for him, when Romney supposedly got the endorsement from the Southern Baptists (although that was later qualified as not).

The Democratic caucus results were less surprising, ending in essentially a 3-way tie, with Obama slightly ahead. Edwards came in second, and Hillary finished third (perhaps the only real surprise here). The other candidates barely registered at all. Sadly, the results prompted both Dodd and Biden to bow out of the race. Because of this, we have removed the Dodd link from our ad/endorsement strip.

For all of us watching, we got to see amazing speeches by Obama and Edwards. Both were passionate, heartfelt, and emotionally evocative. Both showed their respective strengths as orators. Edwards stuck to his "two Americas" theme, asking us to help him fight for the downtrodden. Obama's speech was more hopeful in focus for the future. Edwards might want to think about putting more hope into his speeches and tame down some of the guilt.

Huckabee preached to the crowd like a pro, showing how his years in the pulpit have paid off. He - like the Democrats - was calling for change, in some ways the same as the Democrats, and in some ways very different. As the pundits proclaimed - this year, the leading candidates from the two major parties represent real choice. It (currently) isn't Republican -vs- Republican-lite.

So just how important are these results? From an emotional point of view, apparently enough for so-called "second tier" candidates to throw in the towel. But historically? Let's see how recent Presidential winners faired in the Iowa caucus:

Jimmy Carter: 27.7%
Reagan: 29.5% (to Bush's 31.6%)
Clinton: 2.8% (to Harkin's 76.4%)
Dubya: 41%

Clinton's results especially show why it's so disappointing to have Dodd and Biden bow out so early. While there is always a lot of weight given to the Iowa caucus, history shows that it is definitely not the harbinger of things to come. There are still 49 states to go; the end of the race is still there for the taking...


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Comment by TriSec on 01/04/2008 13:43:48
Good Morning!



Huckabee is a total tool.





Mrs. TriSec had a question last night that I couldn't answer...why a caucus instead of a primary? Do any other states Caucus? Is there any advantage one over the other?



Never mind the unanswered eternal question why two tiny, white, rural, states get to go first where we might be better served by New York, Michigan, Ohio, or somewhere more....diverse?



Anyway, if our crack research staff has any answers for us poor unwashed simpletons, it would be greatly appreciated!



Oh, and in honor of New Hampshire next week, we've got some Stonyfield yogurt, Segways for everyone to ride, and of course, pure maple syrup!







Comment by velveeta jones on 01/04/2008 13:48:15
Morning all.



Velveeta is happier than a pig in shit over Edwards coming in #2!! Last night she danced around her bedroom butt nekkid, scaring the hell out of the dog and cat, (while her wife paid her no mind).







Who saw Mike Huckabee's speech? Could you see him over the glow from Chuck Norris' TEETH. OH-MY-GAWD!!!! Those were some nuclear powered white teeth!!!!



Comment by velveeta jones on 01/04/2008 14:01:15
Who got a bit teary eyed during John's speech last night? (I did).

Comment by livingonli on 01/04/2008 14:10:47
Good morning all.



I've heard crusty old Mike Gravel did not drop out after all contrary to what MSNBC reported. .



And thanks to the crappy weather and me going out yesterday, I think I am catching a cold.

Comment by TriSec on 01/04/2008 14:19:41
David Bender on TRMS, regarding aged candidates:



Think of members of your own family that are the same age as some of these candidates...



Do you let them drive? Would you want them outside unsupervised?



And we're going to elect someone that old and put their finger on the button?





I heard an interesting snippet on the news this am...Huckabee and Obama are both the youngest of the candidates in their respective races. Are we getting a little bit of a 'youth movement' from both sides of the aisle?





Comment by Raine on 01/04/2008 14:30:07
:rofl: Chucks Was so funny!!! He looked like a big HEAD floating all around Huck!

Comment by wickedpam on 01/04/2008 14:31:17
Morning! :hug:





As usual good opening blog, I've wondered why so much weight is given to ONE state when there are 49 others that still haven't spoken yet.

Comment by wickedpam on 01/04/2008 14:37:26
Quote by velveeta jones: Morning all.

edit

Who saw Mike Huckabee's speech? Could you see him over the glow from Chuck Norris' TEETH. OH-MY-GAWD!!!! Those were some nuclear powered white teeth!!!!





Only saw clips this morning - thought I was the only one who couldn't stop staring at those teeth!



Comment by livingonli on 01/04/2008 14:41:05
Maybe Chuck Norris should stick to selling Total Gym's.

Comment by livingonli on 01/04/2008 14:47:00
Maybe I should look for that old footage of Bruce Lee kicking Chuck Norris' ass.

Comment by livingonli on 01/04/2008 14:48:57
Isn't Steph with her Republican Mom?



:oh dear:

Comment by livingonli on 01/04/2008 14:52:03
"Hey Marty, care to join me for a Marijuana cigarette."



"I will slowly become Loser Town Guy."

Comment by TriSec on 01/04/2008 14:52:38
Ah, good ol' Chuck. Gee, how come when celebs endorse Republicans, the MSM doesn't seem to care?













Comment by TriSec on 01/04/2008 14:54:39
scanning below....



Sends miracle cure to Long Island:



http://www.rubinville.com/dailydave/uploaded_images/nyquil-744550.jpg




and



http://thespiritworld.net/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2006/11/brandysnifter.gif




Works every time!



Comment by livingonli on 01/04/2008 14:58:08
Michael Ratner from the Center of Constitutional Rights will be on next issue.

Comment by wickedpam on 01/04/2008 14:58:20
Quote by livingonli: Isn't Steph with her Republican Mom?



:oh dear:






I thought Steph was going skiing in Tahoe with the Cruises.

Comment by Raine on 01/04/2008 14:58:48
Quote by wickedpam:
Quote by velveeta jones: Morning all. edit Who saw Mike Huckabee's speech? Could you see him over the glow from Chuck Norris' TEETH. OH-MY-GAWD!!!! Those were some nuclear powered white teeth!!!!
Only saw clips this morning - thought I was the only one who couldn't stop staring at those teeth!
At one point, I thought those teeth morphed into a white cross floating around huckabee!

Comment by wickedpam on 01/04/2008 14:59:28
Quote by TriSec: Ah, good ol' Chuck. Gee, how come when celebs endorse Republicans, the MSM doesn't seem to care?















Because they are sucky celebs who people really aren't that popular.



Comment by wickedpam on 01/04/2008 15:00:03
Quote by Raine:
Quote by wickedpam:
Quote by velveeta jones: Morning all.

edit

Who saw Mike Huckabee's speech? Could you see him over the glow from Chuck Norris' TEETH. OH-MY-GAWD!!!! Those were some nuclear powered white teeth!!!!





Only saw clips this morning - thought I was the only one who couldn't stop staring at those teeth!

At one point, I thought those teeth morphed into a white cross floating around huckabee!







<--- coffee!

Comment by livingonli on 01/04/2008 15:01:24
Quote by TriSec: Ah, good ol' Chuck. Gee, how come when celebs endorse Republicans, the MSM doesn't seem to care?





Gee, you mean they should point out the hypocrisy of certain pundits who decry celebrities for getting involved in politics when they support Liberals.

: drama sting:



Thanks for the Medicinals, BTW.

Comment by Raine on 01/04/2008 15:03:16
Quote by wickedpam:
Quote by livingonli: Isn't Steph with her Republican Mom? :oh dear:
I thought Steph was going skiing in Tahoe with the Cruises.
I think she did both.

Comment by TriSec on 01/04/2008 15:03:53
Of course, the biggest question is, how come nobody noticed our endorsements?



:kickcan:









Comment by wickedpam on 01/04/2008 15:06:46




The things you learn on TMZ



Prez Candidates Attract Phony Bar Patrons

Comment by livingonli on 01/04/2008 15:08:10
Quote by TriSec: Of course, the biggest question is, how come nobody noticed our endorsements?



:kickcan:









I think we need a big publicity stunt to get media attention for this humble website (and its sister forum) can get name recognition.

Comment by livingonli on 01/04/2008 15:12:07
There must really be a Homer Simpson workig in the nuclear industry.



Note, the Washington Post's website seems to be having connection issues.

Comment by wickedpam on 01/04/2008 15:13:27
Quote by livingonli:
Quote by TriSec: Of course, the biggest question is, how come nobody noticed our endorsements?



:kickcan:









I think we need a big publicity stunt to get media attention for this humble website (and its sister forum) can get name recognition.




Maybe a celeb endorsement of our own ;)



Comment by Raine on 01/04/2008 15:13:43
The following is an email I got from a very dear friend. He won't post on les blog, but he reads it daily. Last night, he had to vent, and instead of calling, he sent me an email. I just got of the phone with him for a post caucus vent. I am workign on getting SMcG ( ) to come on over and post, put, He knows I am posting this wonderful riff...





Here's my pinko Commie rant for the night.



I always forget how much I hate this caucus process, especially by the (surprise!) Democrats. It reeks. If you're voting for a candidate who has less than that 15% support in your caucus, you can CHANGE YOUR VOTE in order for it to count? Because otherwise YOUR VOTE DOESN'T COUNT? Shame on the party, shame on the voters who switch allegiences and shame on Richardson and Kucinich for endorsing Obama as their second-choice candidates. Are you running for president or aren't you?



Basically, the party has no interest in voters voting their conscience, because it only prolongs the process and involves more of the country. Instead, they'd prefer we wrap things up quickly, at the expense of candidates who don't have enough money to create national support.



And God forbid you have an interest in this country's future but work the night shift, wait tables or otherwise can't show up at 7pm. Retirees and white-collar professionals only, please.



Sorry for the rant. No one else I know cares as much about this stuff as you do.



Hope all is well...


SMcG has a damn good point. he's one of the best liberals I know, and has such a great grasp on the political process it astounds me.





Comment by livingonli on 01/04/2008 15:15:01
Bruce Lee kicked Chuck Norris' ass.





Comment by Raine on 01/04/2008 15:15:05
Quote by wickedpam:
Quote by livingonli:
Quote by TriSec: Of course, the biggest question is, how come nobody noticed our endorsements?



:kickcan:









I think we need a big publicity stunt to get media attention for this humble website (and its sister forum) can get name recognition.




Maybe a celeb endorsement of our own ;)

HMMMM....... I think y'all may be onto something!



Comment by wickedpam on 01/04/2008 15:26:43
Quote by Raine:
Quote by wickedpam:
Quote by livingonli:
Quote by TriSec: Of course, the biggest question is, how come nobody noticed our endorsements?



:kickcan:









I think we need a big publicity stunt to get media attention for this humble website (and its sister forum) can get name recognition.




Maybe a celeb endorsement of our own ;)

HMMMM....... I think y'all may be onto something!







Do I see some wheels turning?



Comment by starling310 on 01/04/2008 15:26:56
Quote by Raine: The following is an email I got from a very dear friend. He won't post on les blog, but he reads it daily. Last night, he had to vent, and instead of calling, he sent me an email. I just got of the phone with him for a post caucus vent. I am workign on getting SMcG ( ) to come on over and post, put, He knows I am posting this wonderful riff...





Here's my pinko Commie rant for the night.



I always forget how much I hate this caucus process, especially by the (surprise!) Democrats. It reeks. If you're voting for a candidate who has less than that 15% support in your caucus, you can CHANGE YOUR VOTE in order for it to count? Because otherwise YOUR VOTE DOESN'T COUNT? Shame on the party, shame on the voters who switch allegiences and shame on Richardson and Kucinich for endorsing Obama as their second-choice candidates. Are you running for president or aren't you?



Basically, the party has no interest in voters voting their conscience, because it only prolongs the process and involves more of the country. Instead, they'd prefer we wrap things up quickly, at the expense of candidates who don't have enough money to create national support.



And God forbid you have an interest in this country's future but work the night shift, wait tables or otherwise can't show up at 7pm. Retirees and white-collar professionals only, please.



Sorry for the rant. No one else I know cares as much about this stuff as you do.



Hope all is well...


SMcG has a damn good point. he's one of the best liberals I know, and has such a great grasp on the political process it astounds me.







This is what I said yesterday. I think people who let someone else dictate who their "2nd choice" should be are shills. If I was going to vote for Dennis, that would be that. And, it's not up to Dennis to dictate where it should go if he isn't viable.





Comment by Raine on 01/04/2008 15:30:11
Quote by wickedpam:
Quote by Raine:
Quote by wickedpam:
Quote by livingonli:
Quote by TriSec: Of course, the biggest question is, how come nobody noticed our endorsements? :kickcan:
I think we need a big publicity stunt to get media attention for this humble website (and its sister forum) can get name recognition.
Maybe a celeb endorsement of our own ;)
HMMMM....... I think y'all may be onto something!
Do I see some wheels turning?
it could be just the smell of burned rubber! :P

Comment by TriSec on 01/04/2008 15:39:48
Hmm...I know a bunch of jazz musicians, but that's kind of special interest.



How about I extend an invite to a certain First Cousin that can't stand his relative 400 miles to the southwest?





Comment by TriSec on 01/04/2008 15:50:51
NICE!



Caller on Last night's TRMS:



"I consider John Edwards to be the incumbent, non-serving Vice President"





Comment by Raine on 01/04/2008 15:51:24
Quote by TriSec: Hmm...I know a bunch of jazz musicians, but that's kind of special interest. How about I extend an invite to a certain First Cousin that can't stand his relative 400 miles to the southwest?
It would be a great way to keep in touch, ya know.

Comment by BobR on 01/04/2008 15:53:06
Quote by wickedpam:



The things you learn on TMZ



Prez Candidates Attract Phony Bar Patrons


Andrea Mitchell pointed out something similar last night, re: Shillary's crowd. The room was empty, then suddenly it was full of cheering throngs, then suddenly it was empty again.



Can you say "manufactured media event"?



Sure you can!

Comment by BobR on 01/04/2008 15:55:26
Quote by TriSec: Hmm...I know a bunch of jazz musicians, but that's kind of special interest.



How about I extend an invite to a certain First Cousin that can't stand his relative 400 miles to the southwest?





Certainly couldn't hurt!

Comment by livingonli on 01/04/2008 15:56:16
Quote by BobR:
Quote by wickedpam:



The things you learn on TMZ



Prez Candidates Attract Phony Bar Patrons


Andrea Mitchell pointed out something similar last night, re: Shillary's crowd. The room was empty, then suddenly it was full of cheering throngs, then suddenly it was empty again.



Can you say "manufactured media event"?



Sure you can!


That's our Shillary.

Comment by Raine on 01/04/2008 16:01:20
Liv, do you get the Daily News or the Post? What are they saying? I heard a report that hillary is accusing Barack of serious improprieties in Iowa. I need the article link. She said basically that he won by cheating. This is what is in the print edition of the paper today, I just don't know which one right now. SMcG is no longer available on the phone, and I forgot to ask him from which paper he was reading to me when I was on the phone with him.

Comment by BobR on 01/04/2008 16:01:37
Quote by livingonli: There must really be a Homer Simpson workig in the nuclear industry.



Note, the Washington Post's website seems to be having connection issues.


Wow - the site is working now, and you have to wonder yet again about the whole outsourcing and privatizing mess, and how people can still think it's a good idea...

Comment by BobR on 01/04/2008 16:02:32
Quote by livingonli:

That's our Shillary.


:canned laughter:



"We'll be right back after these messages!"

Comment by livingonli on 01/04/2008 16:06:12
Quote by Raine: Liv, do you get the Daily News or the Post? What are they saying? I heard a report that hillary is accusing Barack of serious improprieties in Iowa. I need the article link. She said basically that he won by cheating. This is what is in the print edition of the paper today, I just don't know which one right now. SMcG is no longer available on the phone, and I forgot to ask him from which paper he was reading to me when I was on the phone with him.


I usually only get Newsday and I haven't picked up the paper yet. I usually go out after the show to get the paper.



And anything from the Post I wouldn't trust within an inch of its life.

Comment by Raine on 01/04/2008 16:08:42
DAN RAHTER!!! I me some Dan!

Comment by livingonli on 01/04/2008 16:09:09
Dow Jones is down 206 points this morning.

Comment by Raine on 01/04/2008 16:09:55
Quote by livingonli:
Quote by Raine: Liv, do you get the Daily News or the Post? What are they saying? I heard a report that hillary is accusing Barack of serious improprieties in Iowa. I need the article link. She said basically that he won by cheating. This is what is in the print edition of the paper today, I just don't know which one right now. SMcG is no longer available on the phone, and I forgot to ask him from which paper he was reading to me when I was on the phone with him.
I usually only get Newsday and I haven't picked up the paper yet. I usually go out after the show to get the paper. And anything from the Post I wouldn't trust within an inch of its life.
I understand about the post, but I still need this article. There are direct quotes.

Comment by Raine on 01/04/2008 16:16:50
What is wrong with Voting MAchines? ... What isn't wrong with them????

Comment by livingonli on 01/04/2008 16:19:59
Quote by Raine:
Quote by livingonli:
Quote by Raine: Liv, do you get the Daily News or the Post? What are they saying? I heard a report that hillary is accusing Barack of serious improprieties in Iowa. I need the article link. She said basically that he won by cheating. This is what is in the print edition of the paper today, I just don't know which one right now. SMcG is no longer available on the phone, and I forgot to ask him from which paper he was reading to me when I was on the phone with him.


I usually only get Newsday and I haven't picked up the paper yet. I usually go out after the show to get the paper.



And anything from the Post I wouldn't trust within an inch of its life.
I understand about the post, but I still need this article. There are direct quotes.



When I head out I will look for it.

Comment by starling310 on 01/04/2008 16:22:08
Quote by BobR:
Quote by wickedpam:



The things you learn on TMZ



Prez Candidates Attract Phony Bar Patrons


Andrea Mitchell pointed out something similar last night, re: Shillary's crowd. The room was empty, then suddenly it was full of cheering throngs, then suddenly it was empty again.



Can you say "manufactured media event"?



Sure you can!




Manufactured

Media

Event





Comment by Raine on 01/04/2008 16:27:09
Comment by Raine on 01/04/2008 16:37:25
Rebekkah!!!! IN DA HOUSE!!!!