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Deja Vu All Over Again
Author: BobR
Date: 03/14/2008 12:29:26
The great Yogi Berra uttered the famous phrase "it's like Deja Vu all over again" when discussing Roger Maris and Mickie Mantle hitting home run after home run. It's hard to look at the Iraq war and remember Viet Nam and not think the same thing. The wasted lives, the wasted money, burning the village to save it, the inability to get out of it despite its unpopularity.
Looking back on how we got into this war in the first place, are we experiencing another case of "deja vu"? How likely is it we'll start another war - this time with Iran?
Pretty likely, based on certain observations. Writer Dave Lindorf refers to it as the Oh Shit Moment:
There are numerous other indicators that we are on the precipice, gazing down into the abyss, and waiting for that inexorable tip that will begin our descent. Terry Atlas at U.S. News & World Report points out 6 Signs the U.S. May Be Headed for War in Iran. Some of them are a bit of a reach, but you can read the article yourself. Briefly, they are:
Fallon's resignation reminds me of the revolving door of generals we had during the lead up to the war with Iraq. Anyone that didn't toe the line, both in ideology and support for the poor military planning was "retired". Remember General Shinseki?
Then there was the trumped up "evidence" of WMD. Despite an intelligence report to the contrary, Iran is still being accused of developing nuclear weapons. Last time the Bush Administration used manipulated intelligence and this time Bush is just ignoring it.
Here are some more "rememberies" from the early days of the Iraq war. How often do you still see the mainstream news "report" (or should I say "repeat") the propaganda coming out of the White House as if it's all credible fact?
Bush sees the authorization to use force in Iraq as carte blanche to use force anywhere in the world at his discretion, including in Iran. We can see the signs - it's like deja vu all over again. This war, however, needs to be stopped before it gets started.
Looking back on how we got into this war in the first place, are we experiencing another case of "deja vu"? How likely is it we'll start another war - this time with Iran?
Pretty likely, based on certain observations. Writer Dave Lindorf refers to it as the Oh Shit Moment:
Every horror movie has that “Oh Shit!” moment, when the hero or heroes are huddled in some creepy hideout, and suddenly something happens that tells you that the monster is just around the corner, or just about to attack. In “Jurassic Park” it was the pulsing ripples in a cup of water, heralding the arrival of a T-Rex. In “Jaws” it was the deep bass music, letting you know that a monstrous shark was about to attack.
Well, we just got our “Oh Shit!” moment with the just-announced resignation of Admiral William J. Fallon, the military commander of US Middle East operations.
Adm. Fallon, 63, famously said that an attack on Iran would not happen “on my watch,” and is widely believed to have already threatened, along with a number of other top generals and admirals, to quit the service if the Bush administration were to launch an air attack on Iran.
There are numerous other indicators that we are on the precipice, gazing down into the abyss, and waiting for that inexorable tip that will begin our descent. Terry Atlas at U.S. News & World Report points out 6 Signs the U.S. May Be Headed for War in Iran. Some of them are a bit of a reach, but you can read the article yourself. Briefly, they are:
1. Fallon's resignation
2. Vice President Cheney's peace trip
3. Israeli airstrike on Syria
4. Warships off Lebanon
5. Israeli comments
6.Israel's war with Hezbollah
Fallon's resignation reminds me of the revolving door of generals we had during the lead up to the war with Iraq. Anyone that didn't toe the line, both in ideology and support for the poor military planning was "retired". Remember General Shinseki?
Then there was the trumped up "evidence" of WMD. Despite an intelligence report to the contrary, Iran is still being accused of developing nuclear weapons. Last time the Bush Administration used manipulated intelligence and this time Bush is just ignoring it.
Here are some more "rememberies" from the early days of the Iraq war. How often do you still see the mainstream news "report" (or should I say "repeat") the propaganda coming out of the White House as if it's all credible fact?
Bush sees the authorization to use force in Iraq as carte blanche to use force anywhere in the world at his discretion, including in Iran. We can see the signs - it's like deja vu all over again. This war, however, needs to be stopped before it gets started.
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Comment by 
starling310 on 03/14/2008 13:12:32
starling310 on 03/14/2008 13:12:32
Bobber. 
Good morning.
Before the LOST updates begin, I would just like to say :: larry craig :: "I HAVE NOT SEEN LOST. I LOVE MY WIFE."
Good morning.
Before the LOST updates begin, I would just like to say :: larry craig :: "I HAVE NOT SEEN LOST. I LOVE MY WIFE."
Comment by 
m-hadley on 03/14/2008 13:17:02
m-hadley on 03/14/2008 13:17:02
Mornin' Everybody,
Great but scary post BobR...I hope like hell that we are not headed for a show-down with Iran, but I don't trust the Bush/Cheney administration as far as I could throw them. I've written umpteen e-mails, snail mail letters, and have stood out on the sidewalk holding up peace signs and getting flipped off by ignorant Okies. I don't want another war, but I feel powerless to stop it - HELP!
Any suggestions on what we can do to stop another senseless war would be much appreciated...
Cheers & Happy Friday :)
mfaye
Great but scary post BobR...I hope like hell that we are not headed for a show-down with Iran, but I don't trust the Bush/Cheney administration as far as I could throw them. I've written umpteen e-mails, snail mail letters, and have stood out on the sidewalk holding up peace signs and getting flipped off by ignorant Okies. I don't want another war, but I feel powerless to stop it - HELP!
Any suggestions on what we can do to stop another senseless war would be much appreciated...Cheers & Happy Friday :)
mfaye
Comment by 
Raine on 03/14/2008 13:56:26
Raine on 03/14/2008 13:56:26
Good morning.
Gah. I feel a little like you faye, but I am hoping that the way this country has been moving, wth more and more people dissastified with what is being done in our name, more will start writing letters and making those phone calls.
Remember that NExt wednesday is the 5th Anniversary of our illegal invasion, we HAVE to get the word outto people and get them in the streets!!!
Gah. I feel a little like you faye, but I am hoping that the way this country has been moving, wth more and more people dissastified with what is being done in our name, more will start writing letters and making those phone calls.
Remember that NExt wednesday is the 5th Anniversary of our illegal invasion, we HAVE to get the word outto people and get them in the streets!!!
Comment by 
livingonli on 03/14/2008 14:06:01
livingonli on 03/14/2008 14:06:01
Good morning everyone. 
It feels like that kind of morning.
When discussing Cheney and peace shouldn't "peace" be in quote marks?
It feels like that kind of morning.
When discussing Cheney and peace shouldn't "peace" be in quote marks?
Comment by starling310 on 03/14/2008 14:08:36
I thought it was 6 years.
starling310 on 03/14/2008 14:08:36
Quote by Raine:
Good morning.
Gah. I feel a little like you faye, but I am hoping that the way this country has been moving, wth more and more people dissastified with what is being done in our name, more will start writing letters and making those phone calls.
Remember that NExt wednesday is the 5th Anniversary of our illegal invasion, we HAVE to get the word outto people and get them in the streets!!!
I thought it was 6 years.
Comment by starling310 on 03/14/2008 14:09:07
<------------ Opening Night jitters!
starling310 on 03/14/2008 14:09:07
<------------ Opening Night jitters!
Comment by Raine on 03/14/2008 14:10:08
Raine on 03/14/2008 14:10:08
Please Visit United For PEace for more information about actions that are occuring next Wednesday near you!
Plus, watch this Video, about the Folly of going to war with Iran:
Plus, watch this Video, about the Folly of going to war with Iran:
Comment by 
wickedpam on 03/14/2008 14:10:10
wickedpam on 03/14/2008 14:10:10
Morning :hug:
Comment by starling310 on 03/14/2008 14:12:23
starling310 on 03/14/2008 14:12:23
: frangela : "body rock! 
These 2 crack me up. They just ramble funny sh*t!
These 2 crack me up. They just ramble funny sh*t!
Comment by starling310 on 03/14/2008 14:13:15
starling310 on 03/14/2008 14:13:15
Hey Mala! :hug:
Comment by livingonli on 03/14/2008 14:13:27
:hug:
And good morning, Mala.
livingonli on 03/14/2008 14:13:27
Quote by starling310:
:hug:
And good morning, Mala.
Comment by Raine on 03/14/2008 14:14:14
Raine on 03/14/2008 14:14:14
From thelink:
In less than a week, we will be marking the 5th anniversary of the Iraq War. As we take action in Washington DC, and in communities in every corner of the country, on March 19th, the 6th year of death and destruction will begin.
It's hard to believe, impossible to accept.
Comment by starling310 on 03/14/2008 14:14:31
starling310 on 03/14/2008 14:14:31
Frances must have kicked a** at Improv!
Comment by starling310 on 03/14/2008 14:15:49
Huh...why the hell was I thinking 6. I thought it was 2002.
I am a bit slow.
:: joe biden :: yes
starling310 on 03/14/2008 14:15:49
Quote by Raine:
From thelink:In less than a week, we will be marking the 5th anniversary of the Iraq War. As we take action in Washington DC, and in communities in every corner of the country, on March 19th, the 6th year of death and destruction will begin.
It's hard to believe, impossible to accept.
Huh...why the hell was I thinking 6. I thought it was 2002.
I am a bit slow. :: joe biden :: yes
Comment by Raine on 03/14/2008 14:15:55
already? It seems like just yesterday you were trying out! Is this the british play?
Raine on 03/14/2008 14:15:55
Quote by starling310:
Comment by starling310 on 03/14/2008 14:18:33
Nope. That play ended in November.
This is Fatal Attraction: A Greek Tragedy. ( This isn't our site, BTW )
I am playing Anne Archer.
starling310 on 03/14/2008 14:18:33
Quote by Raine:already? It seems like just yesterday you were trying out! Is this the british play?Quote by starling310:
Nope. That play ended in November.
This is Fatal Attraction: A Greek Tragedy. ( This isn't our site, BTW )
I am playing Anne Archer.
Comment by wickedpam on 03/14/2008 14:19:47
wickedpam on 03/14/2008 14:19:47
Hey Star, Liv, everyone!
Break a leg Star! YOu'll be great!
Break a leg Star! YOu'll be great!
Comment by 
Mondobubba on 03/14/2008 14:19:47
Mondobubba on 03/14/2008 14:19:47
Morning all! :saunters in grabs organic bagel:
Comment by livingonli on 03/14/2008 14:21:17
I remember protesting before the war when I stood out in the freezing cold of NYC back in February, 2003 when Bloomberg had the cops herding us like cattle making it impossible to reach the main demonstration.
livingonli on 03/14/2008 14:21:17
Quote by starling310:Quote by Raine:
From thelink:In less than a week, we will be marking the 5th anniversary of the Iraq War. As we take action in Washington DC, and in communities in every corner of the country, on March 19th, the 6th year of death and destruction will begin.
It's hard to believe, impossible to accept.
Huh...why the hell was I thinking 6. I thought it was 2002.
:: joe biden :: yes
I remember protesting before the war when I stood out in the freezing cold of NYC back in February, 2003 when Bloomberg had the cops herding us like cattle making it impossible to reach the main demonstration.
Comment by livingonli on 03/14/2008 14:21:37
livingonli on 03/14/2008 14:21:37
Good morning Mondo.
Comment by 
BobR on 03/14/2008 14:21:49
Raine and I haven't watched it yet either (last night was movie night).
SO NO SPOILERS!!
BobR on 03/14/2008 14:21:49
Quote by starling310:
Bobber.
Good morning.
Before the LOST updates begin, I would just like to say :: larry craig :: "I HAVE NOT SEEN LOST. I LOVE MY WIFE."
Raine and I haven't watched it yet either (last night was movie night).
SO NO SPOILERS!!
Comment by Raine on 03/14/2008 14:21:58
Raine on 03/14/2008 14:21:58
OMG! From the New Haven Advocate (Just the image is worth it...)
Hillary Rodham Clinton, Will You Please Go Now!
The time has come, we don't care how. But Hillary Rodham Clinton will you please go now!
By The Editors, Paul Heriot Illustration
The time has come, We don't care how.
But Hillary Rodham Clinton
Will you please GO NOW!
Your campaign is becoming
An endless charade,
So get off the trail,
Burn out now, don't just fade.
You can swim down a river
Of crocodile tears.
You can surf on a wave
Of terrorist fears.
Enough with the red phone!
Enough with the NAFTA!
If you like,
You can go now by White Water Rafta.
Hillary Rodham Clinton,
We don't care how—
HRC,
Will you please GO NOW!
You can leave on McCain's
Straight Talk Express.
You can leave all made up
in a Muslim headdress.
Kucinich will take you
On his UFO
But good God, dear Hillary
Just go go, GO!
You can ride home on coattails
Or in big biz's pocket.
Or maybe you'd like to
Ride NASA's new rocket.
You've raised a gazillion
From execs on Wall Street.
But when it comes to real change,
Barack's got you beat.
You can go by limo
Or lobbyist jet.
You can ride an old donkey
Just get, Hillary, GET!
Your negative ads
Are bringing us down.
You should get off the air,
You should get outta town!
You can go to New York
Or back to The Hill,
But get yourself home
....and don't forget Bill!
Hillary Rodham Clinton,
We don't care how—
HRC
Will you please GO NOW!
From the New Haven Advocate (Just the image is worth it...)Hillary Rodham Clinton, Will You Please Go Now!
The time has come, we don't care how. But Hillary Rodham Clinton will you please go now!
By The Editors, Paul Heriot Illustration
The time has come, We don't care how.
But Hillary Rodham Clinton
Will you please GO NOW!
Your campaign is becoming
An endless charade,
So get off the trail,
Burn out now, don't just fade.
You can swim down a river
Of crocodile tears.
You can surf on a wave
Of terrorist fears.
Enough with the red phone!
Enough with the NAFTA!
If you like,
You can go now by White Water Rafta.
Hillary Rodham Clinton,
We don't care how—
HRC,
Will you please GO NOW!
You can leave on McCain's
Straight Talk Express.
You can leave all made up
in a Muslim headdress.
Kucinich will take you
On his UFO
But good God, dear Hillary
Just go go, GO!
You can ride home on coattails
Or in big biz's pocket.
Or maybe you'd like to
Ride NASA's new rocket.
You've raised a gazillion
From execs on Wall Street.
But when it comes to real change,
Barack's got you beat.
You can go by limo
Or lobbyist jet.
You can ride an old donkey
Just get, Hillary, GET!
Your negative ads
Are bringing us down.
You should get off the air,
You should get outta town!
You can go to New York
Or back to The Hill,
But get yourself home
....and don't forget Bill!
Hillary Rodham Clinton,
We don't care how—
HRC
Will you please GO NOW!
Comment by starling310 on 03/14/2008 14:22:05
Thanks Mala!
MONDO! :hug:
starling310 on 03/14/2008 14:22:05
Quote by wickedpam:
Hey Star, Liv, everyone!
Break a leg Star! YOu'll be great!
Thanks Mala!
MONDO! :hug:
Comment by starling310 on 03/14/2008 14:24:09
starling310 on 03/14/2008 14:24:09
NEW HAVEN ADVOCATE!!! 
Comment by Raine on 03/14/2008 14:24:56
:doh: now who is the slow one here!
Morning Mondo!
Raine on 03/14/2008 14:24:56
Quote by starling310:Quote by Raine:already? It seems like just yesterday you were trying out! Is this the british play?Quote by starling310:
Nope. That play ended in November.
This is Fatal Attraction: A Greek Tragedy. ( This isn't our site, BTW )
I am playing Anne Archer.
Morning Mondo!
Comment by starling310 on 03/14/2008 14:27:05
starling310 on 03/14/2008 14:27:05
My cat is sitting on the kitchen counter staring at me. 
Have I forgotten something? I fed him. He's had his pills.
: slowly I turned : what? what are you staring at? you're making me paranoid!
. . . .
stooooop it!
Have I forgotten something? I fed him. He's had his pills.
: slowly I turned : what? what are you staring at? you're making me paranoid!
. . . .
stooooop it!
Comment by Mondobubba on 03/14/2008 14:29:00
Corey Feldman still works?
Mondobubba on 03/14/2008 14:29:00
Quote by starling310:Quote by Raine:already? It seems like just yesterday you were trying out! Is this the british play?Quote by starling310:
Nope. That play ended in November.
This is Fatal Attraction: A Greek Tragedy. ( This isn't our site, BTW )
I am playing Anne Archer.
Corey Feldman still works?
Comment by livingonli on 03/14/2008 14:29:35
He wants you to know he's still in charge.
livingonli on 03/14/2008 14:29:35
Quote by starling310:
My cat is sitting on the kitchen counter staring at me.
Have I forgotten something? I fed him. He's had his pills.
: slowly I turned : what? what are you staring at? you're making me paranoid!
. . . .
stooooop it!
He wants you to know he's still in charge.
Comment by wickedpam on 03/14/2008 14:29:40
I promise
wickedpam on 03/14/2008 14:29:40
Quote by BobR:Quote by starling310:
Bobber.
Good morning.
Before the LOST updates begin, I would just like to say :: larry craig :: "I HAVE NOT SEEN LOST. I LOVE MY WIFE."
Raine and I haven't watched it yet either (last night was movie night).
SO NO SPOILERS!!
I promise
Comment by starling310 on 03/14/2008 14:31:26
Not really. The play closed after a very short run.
We think it's hysterical though. . . and the small preview audience at Dress Rehearsal agreed!
:rofl: <--------- last night's preview audience.
starling310 on 03/14/2008 14:31:26
Quote by Mondobubba:Quote by starling310:Quote by Raine:already? It seems like just yesterday you were trying out! Is this the british play?Quote by starling310:
Nope. That play ended in November.
This is Fatal Attraction: A Greek Tragedy. ( This isn't our site, BTW )
I am playing Anne Archer.
Corey Feldman still works?
Not really. The play closed after a very short run.
We think it's hysterical though. . . and the small preview audience at Dress Rehearsal agreed!
:rofl: <--------- last night's preview audience.
Comment by Mondobubba on 03/14/2008 14:32:00
:D God cats are so good at that.
Mondobubba on 03/14/2008 14:32:00
Quote by starling310:
My cat is sitting on the kitchen counter staring at me.
Have I forgotten something? I fed him. He's had his pills.
: slowly I turned : what? what are you staring at? you're making me paranoid!
. . . .
stooooop it!
:D God cats are so good at that.
Comment by starling310 on 03/14/2008 14:32:00
oofda.
i started back and he ran upstairs.
starling310 on 03/14/2008 14:32:00
Quote by livingonli:Quote by starling310:
My cat is sitting on the kitchen counter staring at me.
Have I forgotten something? I fed him. He's had his pills.
: slowly I turned : what? what are you staring at? you're making me paranoid!
. . . .
stooooop it!
He wants you to know he's still in charge.
oofda.
i started back and he ran upstairs.
Comment by starling310 on 03/14/2008 14:33:55
starling310 on 03/14/2008 14:33:55
To make my jitters worse, the super cute girl that i have a date with tomorrow, WHOM I HAVE NEVER MET, is coming to Opening Night. She really wanted to see the show, and thinks it's important to support artists that she knows ( brownie point ) but, checked her calendar and tonight was the only night she could come.
My friends in the audience will meet her before I do! :rofl:
My friends in the audience will meet her before I do! :rofl:
Comment by livingonli on 03/14/2008 14:34:46
livingonli on 03/14/2008 14:34:46
Rum is for dancing. Rum is for fun. 
:beer:
:beer:
Comment by starling310 on 03/14/2008 14:41:06
starling310 on 03/14/2008 14:41:06
"I'm willing to do carpooling from the airport!" :spit:
Comment by 
velveeta jones on 03/14/2008 14:42:41
velveeta jones on 03/14/2008 14:42:41
Morning all!
First, Provided there is no rain, I'll be in "lurk" mode. Gardening! :D
Second, a complaint to the staff. While your blog today was, as usual, exellently written and very educational, I come here for CURRENT NEWS!!! News, news. I must have news. What about the all important story of the woman who sat on the crapper for 2 years!
This is certainly news worthy, yes?
First, Provided there is no rain, I'll be in "lurk" mode. Gardening! :D
Second, a complaint to the staff. While your blog today was, as usual, exellently written and very educational, I come here for CURRENT NEWS!!! News, news. I must have news. What about the all important story of the woman who sat on the crapper for 2 years!
This is certainly news worthy, yes?
Comment by starling310 on 03/14/2008 14:43:46
starling310 on 03/14/2008 14:43:46
Isn't that pretty much Condi's JOB!?!?!
Comment by livingonli on 03/14/2008 14:43:53
livingonli on 03/14/2008 14:43:53
Good morning Velveeta.
2 years in the crapper. Talk about having a problem.
2 years in the crapper. Talk about having a problem.
Comment by Mondobubba on 03/14/2008 14:45:19
Star, deep cleansing breath. Hold it. Release slowly repeat. Become cool, become on with the cucumber! You are as cool as cucumber. Nothing to worry about. Relax. Breath in, breath out. Very good. {{{{Star}}}
Mondobubba on 03/14/2008 14:45:19
Quote by starling310:
To make my jitters worse, the super cute girl that i have a date with tomorrow, WHOM I HAVE NEVER MET, is coming to Opening Night. She really wanted to see the show, and thinks it's important to support artists that she knows ( brownie point ) but, checked her calendar and tonight was the only night she could come.
My friends in the audience will meet her before I do! :rofl:
Star, deep cleansing breath. Hold it. Release slowly repeat. Become cool, become on with the cucumber! You are as cool as cucumber. Nothing to worry about. Relax. Breath in, breath out. Very good. {{{{Star}}}
Comment by starling310 on 03/14/2008 14:46:26
starling310 on 03/14/2008 14:46:26
Morning VJ!
Hey, I want you to know that I heard you yesterday, with your thoughts on Prostitution. I had never looked at it that way. I put it up there with Marijuana Legalization. But, I hear what you're saying.
:peace:
Hey, I want you to know that I heard you yesterday, with your thoughts on Prostitution. I had never looked at it that way. I put it up there with Marijuana Legalization. But, I hear what you're saying.
:peace:
Comment by Mondobubba on 03/14/2008 14:46:31
VJ please provide docs on the woman on the crapper story!
Mondobubba on 03/14/2008 14:46:31
Quote by velveeta jones:
Morning all!
First, Provided there is no rain, I'll be in "lurk" mode. Gardening! :D
Second, a complaint to the staff. While your blog today was, as usual, exellently written and very educational, I come here for CURRENT NEWS!!! News, news. I must have news. What about the all important story of the woman who sat on the crapper for 2 years!
This is certainly news worthy, yes?
VJ please provide docs on the woman on the crapper story!
Comment by velveeta jones on 03/14/2008 14:48:15
velveeta jones on 03/14/2008 14:48:15
Newt weighs in on the current Obama comment:
Gingrich: ‘Ferraro’s remark was silly, childish — and true’
Friday, March 14, 2008, 09:13 AM
The Atlanta Journal-Constitution
Newt Gingrich is saying that Geraldine Ferraro’s comment about Barack Obama was “childish” and “silly” — and “something that probably was true.”
We’re catching this third hand. The observations by the former House speaker and Georgia congressman were published on a Human Events blog, but Gingrich made them during a Thursday appearance on the Fox radio program “Brian and the Judge.”
Ferraro withdrew from the Hillary Clinton campaign after saying the following one week ago, to a local California newspaper:
“If Obama was a white man, he would not be in this position. And if he was a woman [of any color] he would not be in this position. He happens to be very lucky to be who he is. And the country is caught up in the concept.”
Comment by BobR on 03/14/2008 14:48:34
Maybe I should rename the blog post "Deja Poo All Over Again"?
BobR on 03/14/2008 14:48:34
Quote by velveeta jones:
Morning all!
First, Provided there is no rain, I'll be in "lurk" mode. Gardening! :D
Second, a complaint to the staff. While your blog today was, as usual, exellently written and very educational, I come here for CURRENT NEWS!!! News, news. I must have news. What about the all important story of the woman who sat on the crapper for 2 years!
This is certainly news worthy, yes?
Maybe I should rename the blog post "Deja Poo All Over Again"?
Comment by Raine on 03/14/2008 14:48:44
Now that kinda stuff is movie Romantic, if you ask me!
Raine on 03/14/2008 14:48:44
Quote by starling310:
To make my jitters worse, the super cute girl that i have a date with tomorrow, WHOM I HAVE NEVER MET, is coming to Opening Night. She really wanted to see the show, and thinks it's important to support artists that she knows ( brownie point ) but, checked her calendar and tonight was the only night she could come.
My friends in the audience will meet her before I do! :rofl:
Comment by starling310 on 03/14/2008 14:48:59
: mantra :
I am a cucumber. I am a cucumber. Om. . .
starling310 on 03/14/2008 14:48:59
Quote by Mondobubba:Quote by starling310:
To make my jitters worse, the super cute girl that i have a date with tomorrow, WHOM I HAVE NEVER MET, is coming to Opening Night. She really wanted to see the show, and thinks it's important to support artists that she knows ( brownie point ) but, checked her calendar and tonight was the only night she could come.
My friends in the audience will meet her before I do! :rofl:
Star, deep cleansing breath. Hold it. Release slowly repeat. Become cool, become on with the cucumber! You are as cool as cucumber. Nothing to worry about. Relax. Breath in, breath out. Very good. {{{{Star}}}
: mantra :
I am a cucumber. I am a cucumber. Om. . .
Comment by BobR on 03/14/2008 14:49:30
BobR on 03/14/2008 14:49:30
Dead Man's Party!! 
Yay! Oingo Boingo!
Yay! Oingo Boingo!
Comment by velveeta jones on 03/14/2008 14:49:58
:rofl:
velveeta jones on 03/14/2008 14:49:58
Quote by BobR:Quote by velveeta jones:
Morning all!
First, Provided there is no rain, I'll be in "lurk" mode. Gardening! :D
Second, a complaint to the staff. While your blog today was, as usual, exellently written and very educational, I come here for CURRENT NEWS!!! News, news. I must have news. What about the all important story of the woman who sat on the crapper for 2 years!
This is certainly news worthy, yes?
Maybe I should rename the blog post "Deja Poo All Over Again"?
:rofl:
Comment by starling310 on 03/14/2008 14:51:00
I was talking about it with my friends in the cast and we decided that if this turns into something, that is a kick a** story.
One of the guys Sal said "That's the best first date story ever!"
starling310 on 03/14/2008 14:51:00
Quote by Raine:Now that kinda stuff is movie Romantic, if you ask me!Quote by starling310:
To make my jitters worse, the super cute girl that i have a date with tomorrow, WHOM I HAVE NEVER MET, is coming to Opening Night. She really wanted to see the show, and thinks it's important to support artists that she knows ( brownie point ) but, checked her calendar and tonight was the only night she could come.
My friends in the audience will meet her before I do! :rofl:
I was talking about it with my friends in the cast and we decided that if this turns into something, that is a kick a** story.
One of the guys Sal said "That's the best first date story ever!"
Comment by BobR on 03/14/2008 14:51:10
I am a cucumber....
I am the walrus...
Goo-goo-ga-joob....
BobR on 03/14/2008 14:51:10
Quote by starling310:
: mantra :
I am a cucumber. I am a cucumber. Om. . .
I am a cucumber....
I am the walrus...
Goo-goo-ga-joob....
Comment by Raine on 03/14/2008 14:51:54
OH.
MAH...
Gawd....
:thud:
Raine on 03/14/2008 14:51:54
Quote by Mondobubba:Quote by velveeta jones:
Morning all!
First, Provided there is no rain, I'll be in "lurk" mode. Gardening! :D
Second, a complaint to the staff. While your blog today was, as usual, exellently written and very educational, I come here for CURRENT NEWS!!! News, news. I must have news. What about the all important story of the woman who sat on the crapper for 2 years!
This is certainly news worthy, yes?
VJ please provide docs on the woman on the crapper story!
OH.
MAH...
Gawd....
:thud:
Comment by wickedpam on 03/14/2008 14:51:54
Think of it as being vetted by your friends :D
wickedpam on 03/14/2008 14:51:54
Quote by starling310:
To make my jitters worse, the super cute girl that i have a date with tomorrow, WHOM I HAVE NEVER MET, is coming to Opening Night. She really wanted to see the show, and thinks it's important to support artists that she knows ( brownie point ) but, checked her calendar and tonight was the only night she could come.
My friends in the audience will meet her before I do! :rofl:
Think of it as being vetted by your friends :D
Comment by wickedpam on 03/14/2008 14:52:38
wickedpam on 03/14/2008 14:52:38
Church's :drool:
Comment by livingonli on 03/14/2008 14:52:39
livingonli on 03/14/2008 14:52:39
These inside the Beltway functions do show that the press acts more like lapdogs than watchdogs. The whole reason we have a free press is so they can keep an eye on the Government and expose wrongdoing and kissing Bush's 
these last few years doesn't help the cause.
these last few years doesn't help the cause.
Comment by starling310 on 03/14/2008 14:54:06
:bump:
wanted to be sure you saw this.
starling310 on 03/14/2008 14:54:06
Quote by starling310:
Morning VJ!
Hey, I want you to know that I heard you yesterday, with your thoughts on Prostitution. I had never looked at it that way. I put it up there with Marijuana Legalization. But, I hear what you're saying.
:peace:
:bump:
wanted to be sure you saw this.
Comment by Raine on 03/14/2008 14:59:51
Raine on 03/14/2008 14:59:51
:waiing: I cannot get my double vente mocha skim half and half Frangelina while the city is out front chipping wood from down tree limbs!
Quiet PEOPLE!!!
Quiet PEOPLE!!!
Comment by starling310 on 03/14/2008 15:01:58
:rofl:
One of my exes used to get SO mad whenever there was road work outside her house. She would walk around yelling "Damn men and their TOOLS!!!"
starling310 on 03/14/2008 15:01:58
Quote by Raine:
:waiing: I cannot get my double vente mocha skim half and half Frangelina while the city is out front chipping wood from down tree limbs!
Quiet PEOPLE!!!
:rofl:
One of my exes used to get SO mad whenever there was road work outside her house. She would walk around yelling "Damn men and their TOOLS!!!"
Comment by starling310 on 03/14/2008 15:07:17
F*ckin' Frank!
starling310 on 03/14/2008 15:07:17
Quote by Raine:
:waiing: I cannot get my double vente mocha skim half and half Frangelina while the city is out front chipping wood from down tree limbs!
Quiet PEOPLE!!!
F*ckin' Frank!
Comment by livingonli on 03/14/2008 15:10:11
:rofl:
livingonli on 03/14/2008 15:10:11
Quote by starling310:Quote by Raine:
:waiing: I cannot get my double vente mocha skim half and half Frangelina while the city is out front chipping wood from down tree limbs!
Quiet PEOPLE!!!
:rofl:
One of my exes used to get SO mad whenever there was road work outside her house. She would walk around yelling "Damn men and their TOOLS!!!"
:rofl:
Comment by Raine on 03/14/2008 15:10:35
Raine on 03/14/2008 15:10:35
:rofl:
That one make
flow from the nose as well!
That one make
flow from the nose as well!
Comment by Raine on 03/14/2008 15:11:43
Raine on 03/14/2008 15:11:43
BTW, regarding the border fence... : ... A week after tehy announced that the border could be finished, they realized that the contract to do it wasn't going to happen for about 3 years...
Comment by starling310 on 03/14/2008 15:15:46
starling310 on 03/14/2008 15:15:46
OMG...I am so listening to Frangela on the weekends!
Comment by Mondobubba on 03/14/2008 15:15:59
Well there is rusty single wide invovled that explains everything.
That is just down right weird.
Mondobubba on 03/14/2008 15:15:59
Quote by Raine:Quote by Mondobubba:Quote by velveeta jones:
Morning all!
First, Provided there is no rain, I'll be in "lurk" mode. Gardening! :D
Second, a complaint to the staff. While your blog today was, as usual, exellently written and very educational, I come here for CURRENT NEWS!!! News, news. I must have news. What about the all important story of the woman who sat on the crapper for 2 years!
This is certainly news worthy, yes?
VJ please provide docs on the woman on the crapper story!
OH.
MAH...
Gawd....
:thud:
Well there is rusty single wide invovled that explains everything.
That is just down right weird.
Comment by Raine on 03/14/2008 15:16:49
Raine on 03/14/2008 15:16:49
We need to thank Otis Redding as WELL as the Queen for r-e-s-p-e-c-t... 
Comment by Mondobubba on 03/14/2008 15:17:31
:jedi master calm: Excellent young padawan :grabs inhaler:
Mondobubba on 03/14/2008 15:17:31
Quote by starling310:Quote by Mondobubba:Quote by starling310:
To make my jitters worse, the super cute girl that i have a date with tomorrow, WHOM I HAVE NEVER MET, is coming to Opening Night. She really wanted to see the show, and thinks it's important to support artists that she knows ( brownie point ) but, checked her calendar and tonight was the only night she could come.
My friends in the audience will meet her before I do! :rofl:
Star, deep cleansing breath. Hold it. Release slowly repeat. Become cool, become on with the cucumber! You are as cool as cucumber. Nothing to worry about. Relax. Breath in, breath out. Very good. {{{{Star}}}
: mantra :
I am a cucumber. I am a cucumber. Om. . .
:jedi master calm: Excellent young padawan :grabs inhaler:
Comment by Raine on 03/14/2008 15:18:21
Raine on 03/14/2008 15:18:21
Floaties!!!
Comment by Mondobubba on 03/14/2008 15:20:53
somebody is in full diva mode today. People! Raine needs QUITE! :fawns: :sucks up:
Mondobubba on 03/14/2008 15:20:53
Quote by Raine:
:waiing: I cannot get my double vente mocha skim half and half Frangelina while the city is out front chipping wood from down tree limbs!
Quiet PEOPLE!!!
somebody is in full diva mode today. People! Raine needs QUITE! :fawns: :sucks up:
Comment by starling310 on 03/14/2008 15:20:56
starling310 on 03/14/2008 15:20:56
George Clooney. :: swoon ::
I used to HATE George Clooney, but post Syriana and finding out about his activism, I have pretty much been in love with him.
I used to HATE George Clooney, but post Syriana and finding out about his activism, I have pretty much been in love with him.
Comment by starling310 on 03/14/2008 15:21:36
starling310 on 03/14/2008 15:21:36
:: Oprah :: "Where's OOOOOOSAMA!!!"
Comment by Mondobubba on 03/14/2008 15:25:01
You didn't know? How could you not know? He is alway runing his hunky yapper about it.
Mondobubba on 03/14/2008 15:25:01
Quote by starling310:
George Clooney. :: swoon ::
I used to HATE George Clooney, but post Syriana and finding out about his activism, I have pretty much been in love with him.
You didn't know? How could you not know? He is alway runing his hunky yapper about it.
Comment by wickedpam on 03/14/2008 15:25:39
Shhhhhh
wickedpam on 03/14/2008 15:25:39
Quote by Mondobubba:Quote by Raine:
:waiing: I cannot get my double vente mocha skim half and half Frangelina while the city is out front chipping wood from down tree limbs!
Quiet PEOPLE!!!
somebody is in full diva mode today. People! Raine needs QUIET! :fawns: :sucks up:
Shhhhhh
Comment by starling310 on 03/14/2008 15:26:59
Hey, if it accomplishes something good, I say run that yapper!
starling310 on 03/14/2008 15:26:59
Quote by Mondobubba:Quote by starling310:
George Clooney. :: swoon ::
I used to HATE George Clooney, but post Syriana and finding out about his activism, I have pretty much been in love with him.
You didn't know? How could you not know? He is alway runing his hunky yapper about it.
Hey, if it accomplishes something good, I say run that yapper!
Comment by Raine on 03/14/2008 15:27:38
Raine on 03/14/2008 15:27:38
SNL insisits it isn't boosting Clinton.
Writers said to prefer Obama, producers donate 10K to Clinton
::: drama Sting :::
Writers said to prefer Obama, producers donate 10K to Clinton
::: drama Sting :::
Comment by BobR on 03/14/2008 15:28:35
BobR on 03/14/2008 15:28:35
Did the caller see the same clip of Obama dancing that I did?
I thought the white half of him was showing...
I thought the white half of him was showing...
Comment by starling310 on 03/14/2008 15:28:48
starling310 on 03/14/2008 15:28:48
Someone gave me a birthday card once that said "When I am President, I will settle all disputes with a Dance Off!"
Mmmmhhhmmmm.....Obama is the right choice.
: disclaimer : :star:ling did not see the clip, herself. . . she is taking the caller's word for it.
Mmmmhhhmmmm.....Obama is the right choice.
: disclaimer : :star:ling did not see the clip, herself. . . she is taking the caller's word for it.
Comment by Raine on 03/14/2008 15:30:42
:rofl:
Raine on 03/14/2008 15:30:42
Quote by wickedpam:Quote by Mondobubba:Quote by Raine:
:waiing: I cannot get my double vente mocha skim half and half Frangelina while the city is out front chipping wood from down tree limbs!
Quiet PEOPLE!!!
somebody is in full diva mode today. People! Raine needs QUIET! :fawns: :sucks up:
Shhhhhh
:rofl:
Comment by wickedpam on 03/14/2008 15:31:09
wickedpam on 03/14/2008 15:31:09
Liv is today your b-day or is it the 21st? I marked it the 21st but I have a feeling I marked it wrong.
Comment by Mondobubba on 03/14/2008 15:31:44
"Frankly, Barack Obama knows he's good enough, smart enough and, gosh darn it, he's won more states, more votes and more delegates, and that's what probably matters more anyway," Obama spokesman Bill Burton quipped to the LA Times, à la Stuart Smalley.
:rofl:
Mondobubba on 03/14/2008 15:31:44
Quote by Raine:
SNL insisits it isn't boosting Clinton.
Writers said to prefer Obama, producers donate 10K to Clinton
::: drama Sting :::
"Frankly, Barack Obama knows he's good enough, smart enough and, gosh darn it, he's won more states, more votes and more delegates, and that's what probably matters more anyway," Obama spokesman Bill Burton quipped to the LA Times, à la Stuart Smalley.
:rofl:
Comment by Raine on 03/14/2008 15:33:39
Raine on 03/14/2008 15:33:39
OH yay. The president is going to speek next hour...
Comment by livingonli on 03/14/2008 15:34:14
21st. One week and counting.
livingonli on 03/14/2008 15:34:14
Quote by wickedpam:
Liv is today your b-day or is it the 21st? I marked it the 21st but I have a feeling I marked it wrong.
21st. One week and counting.
Comment by Mondobubba on 03/14/2008 15:34:16
Mondobubba on 03/14/2008 15:34:16
Hey Bobber how many geek points do I get for downloading OpenOffice?
Comment by starling310 on 03/14/2008 15:35:45
starling310 on 03/14/2008 15:35:45
NATALIE PORTMAN! :: double swoon ::
Comment by Mondobubba on 03/14/2008 15:36:10
Mondobubba on 03/14/2008 15:36:10
"Keep ya drawers on" :rofl:
Comment by Raine on 03/14/2008 15:36:34
Raine on 03/14/2008 15:36:34
I post you decide...
(altho he beats Almost ANY dancing politician out there...)
(fixxity )
(altho he beats Almost ANY dancing politician out there...)
(fixxity )
Comment by starling310 on 03/14/2008 15:36:42
starling310 on 03/14/2008 15:36:42
Natalie Portman was on the cover of Rolling Stone, for the work she is doing. . . just sayin'
Comment by Mondobubba on 03/14/2008 15:37:31
:swoons next to Star: ZMOG. I love me some Ms Portman!
Mondobubba on 03/14/2008 15:37:31
Quote by starling310:
NATALIE PORTMAN! :: double swoon ::
:swoons next to Star: ZMOG. I love me some Ms Portman!
Comment by 
jd_in_ny on 03/14/2008 15:37:43
me too! I loved that he was a dorky dancer, though.
jd_in_ny on 03/14/2008 15:37:43
Quote by BobR:
Did the caller see the same clip of Obama dancing that I did?
I thought the white half of him was showing...
me too! I loved that he was a dorky dancer, though.
Comment by Mondobubba on 03/14/2008 15:38:29
Mondobubba on 03/14/2008 15:38:29
Now, do you know Natalie's real last name???
do you know Natalie's real last name???
Comment by starling310 on 03/14/2008 15:40:07
Herslag?
She could be my slag, and I say that with all due respect, any time!
starling310 on 03/14/2008 15:40:07
Quote by Mondobubba:
Now,
Herslag?
She could be my slag, and I say that with all due respect, any time!
Comment by wickedpam on 03/14/2008 15:41:15
Oh good I marked ti right!
wickedpam on 03/14/2008 15:41:15
Quote by livingonli:Quote by wickedpam:
Liv is today your b-day or is it the 21st? I marked it the 21st but I have a feeling I marked it wrong.
21st. One week and counting.
Oh good I marked ti right!
Comment by starling310 on 03/14/2008 15:43:47
starling310 on 03/14/2008 15:43:47
Boys Don't Cry! 
Comment by Mondobubba on 03/14/2008 15:45:05
Mondobubba on 03/14/2008 15:45:05
Some Natalie Portman fun facts:
Her great-grandmother was a spy for the Brits in WW II
She skipped the Star Wars episode I premiere so she could study for her high school finals
Natalie was an understudy for Britany Spears.
She was Alan Dershowitz's RA when she was at Harvard.
Her 1998 high school paper on the "Enzymatic Production of Hydrogen" was entered in the Intel Science Talent Search.
Hot and really, really smart! :wub:
Her great-grandmother was a spy for the Brits in WW II
She skipped the Star Wars episode I premiere so she could study for her high school finals
Natalie was an understudy for Britany Spears.
She was Alan Dershowitz's RA when she was at Harvard.
Her 1998 high school paper on the "Enzymatic Production of Hydrogen" was entered in the Intel Science Talent Search.
Hot and really, really smart! :wub:
Comment by starling310 on 03/14/2008 15:45:46
starling310 on 03/14/2008 15:45:46
Re : Natalie Portman . . .
I am kind of bummed that she chose to do The Other Boylen Girl. I mean, didn't she have the foresight to see that movie was going to suck?
:shrug:
I am kind of bummed that she chose to do The Other Boylen Girl. I mean, didn't she have the foresight to see that movie was going to suck?
:shrug:
Comment by Mondobubba on 03/14/2008 15:46:06
Close enough, Hershlag.
Mondobubba on 03/14/2008 15:46:06
Quote by starling310:Quote by Mondobubba:
Now,
Herslag?
She could be my slag, and I say that with all due respect, any time!
Close enough, Hershlag.
Comment by Mondobubba on 03/14/2008 15:47:35
Yeah well, she looked FABULOUS in Tudor!
Mondobubba on 03/14/2008 15:47:35
Quote by starling310:
Re : Natalie Portman . . .
I am kind of bummed that she chose to do The Other Boylen Girl. I mean, didn't she have the foresight to see that movie was going to suck?
:shrug:
Yeah well, she looked FABULOUS in Tudor!
Comment by Raine on 03/14/2008 15:48:49
Raine on 03/14/2008 15:48:49
G' mornin JD!
Comment by Raine on 03/14/2008 15:51:04
Raine on 03/14/2008 15:51:04
NCLB, the worst thing EVER for this country.
Comment by velveeta jones on 03/14/2008 15:52:02
Sorry dear! I did see this and I thank you very much.
I have a lot going on this morning, trying to get some stuff done outdoors before the rain comes.
Break a leg!! I always got opening night jitters as well, even though I worked "behind the scenes" as a designer.
velveeta jones on 03/14/2008 15:52:02
Quote by starling310:Quote by starling310:
Morning VJ!
Hey, I want you to know that I heard you yesterday, with your thoughts on Prostitution. I had never looked at it that way. I put it up there with Marijuana Legalization. But, I hear what you're saying.
:peace:
:bump:
wanted to be sure you saw this.
Sorry dear! I did see this and I thank you very much.
I have a lot going on this morning, trying to get some stuff done outdoors before the rain comes.
Break a leg!! I always got opening night jitters as well, even though I worked "behind the scenes" as a designer.
Comment by jd_in_ny on 03/14/2008 15:52:08
jd_in_ny on 03/14/2008 15:52:08
Oh, good morning!
Yeah, I kind of lurk until I'm not lurking anymore. Not very polite of me, is it?
Yeah, I kind of lurk until I'm not lurking anymore. Not very polite of me, is it?
Comment by livingonli on 03/14/2008 15:52:27
livingonli on 03/14/2008 15:52:27
We don't have any high-paying jobs anymore. They only seem to be in the retail/service sector.
Comment by starling310 on 03/14/2008 15:53:15
starling310 on 03/14/2008 15:53:15
I took AP Physics! :thud:
Comment by livingonli on 03/14/2008 15:53:36
Don't worry about it. Some days some of us are more chatty than others.
livingonli on 03/14/2008 15:53:36
Quote by jd_in_ny:
Oh, good morning!
Yeah, I kind of lurk until I'm not lurking anymore. Not very polite of me, is it?
Don't worry about it. Some days some of us are more chatty than others.
Comment by velveeta jones on 03/14/2008 15:54:31
Don't forget (one of my favorite movies) "O Brother Where Art Thou?"
velveeta jones on 03/14/2008 15:54:31
Quote by starling310:
George Clooney. :: swoon ::
I used to HATE George Clooney, but post Syriana and finding out about his activism, I have pretty much been in love with him.
Don't forget (one of my favorite movies) "O Brother Where Art Thou?"
Comment by starling310 on 03/14/2008 15:54:57
No problem...I just felt bad.
starling310 on 03/14/2008 15:54:57
Quote by velveeta jones:Quote by starling310:Quote by starling310:
Morning VJ!
Hey, I want you to know that I heard you yesterday, with your thoughts on Prostitution. I had never looked at it that way. I put it up there with Marijuana Legalization. But, I hear what you're saying.
:peace:
:bump:
wanted to be sure you saw this.
Sorry dear! I did see this and I thank you very much.
I have a lot going on this morning, trying to get some stuff done outdoors before the rain comes.
Break a leg!! I always got opening night jitters as well, even though I worked "behind the scenes" as a designer.
No problem...I just felt bad.
Comment by Raine on 03/14/2008 15:55:28
Raine on 03/14/2008 15:55:28
People who should be thinned from the herd:
****** Warning *****
A man was jailed Thursday on charges that he forced his 7-year-old daughter to kill the family cat by holding a knife in her hand and making her stab the pet.
Danield J. Collins, 39, told his children during a visit to his home Sunday that he wanted them to "learn how to kill" and gave his 11-year-old son a knife to do it, according to an affidavit filed in the case.
The boy tried to save the cat by hiding it under a sofa bed and putting ketchup on a knife when Collins went to the bathroom. But when the father realized that the cat was not dead, he forced his daughter to hold the knife and then held her hand tightly as he drove the knife into the animal, Muncie police Detective Jami Brown said.
Police said Collins stabbed and strangled the cat himself, and told his son to throw the dead pet in the trash. Officers retrieved the carcass to be used as evidence.
Comment by starling310 on 03/14/2008 15:55:50
Some days you just feel like lurking.
starling310 on 03/14/2008 15:55:50
Quote by jd_in_ny:
Oh, good morning!
Yeah, I kind of lurk until I'm not lurking anymore. Not very polite of me, is it?
Some days you just feel like lurking.
Comment by Mondobubba on 03/14/2008 15:56:36
Not the worst worst. Worst thing for edumacashun!
Mondobubba on 03/14/2008 15:56:36
Quote by Raine:
NCLB, the worst thing EVER for this country.
Not the worst worst. Worst thing for edumacashun!
Comment by starling310 on 03/14/2008 15:57:21
Why Raine?
The Death Penalty should be reserved for scumbags like that.
I am going to hug my kitties now.
starling310 on 03/14/2008 15:57:21
Quote by Raine:
People who should be thinned from the herd:****** Warning ***** A man was jailed Thursday on charges that he forced his 7-year-old daughter to kill the family cat by holding a knife in her hand and making her stab the pet.
Danield J. Collins, 39, told his children during a visit to his home Sunday that he wanted them to "learn how to kill" and gave his 11-year-old son a knife to do it, according to an affidavit filed in the case.
The boy tried to save the cat by hiding it under a sofa bed and putting ketchup on a knife when Collins went to the bathroom. But when the father realized that the cat was not dead, he forced his daughter to hold the knife and then held her hand tightly as he drove the knife into the animal, Muncie police Detective Jami Brown said.
Police said Collins stabbed and strangled the cat himself, and told his son to throw the dead pet in the trash. Officers retrieved the carcass to be used as evidence.
Why Raine?
The Death Penalty should be reserved for scumbags like that.
I am going to hug my kitties now.
Comment by Raine on 03/14/2008 15:58:32
Raine on 03/14/2008 15:58:32
:clap: thank you Frangela! I FINALLY have something fun to listen to on the weekends!!!
Comment by livingonli on 03/14/2008 15:58:35
Maybe one of his cell mates will do to him what he did to that cat. What a foul piece of work.
livingonli on 03/14/2008 15:58:35
Quote by Raine:
People who should be thinned from the herd:****** Warning ***** A man was jailed Thursday on charges that he forced his 7-year-old daughter to kill the family cat by holding a knife in her hand and making her stab the pet.
Danield J. Collins, 39, told his children during a visit to his home Sunday that he wanted them to "learn how to kill" and gave his 11-year-old son a knife to do it, according to an affidavit filed in the case.
The boy tried to save the cat by hiding it under a sofa bed and putting ketchup on a knife when Collins went to the bathroom. But when the father realized that the cat was not dead, he forced his daughter to hold the knife and then held her hand tightly as he drove the knife into the animal, Muncie police Detective Jami Brown said.
Police said Collins stabbed and strangled the cat himself, and told his son to throw the dead pet in the trash. Officers retrieved the carcass to be used as evidence.
Maybe one of his cell mates will do to him what he did to that cat. What a foul piece of work.
Comment by Mondobubba on 03/14/2008 15:59:30
I got nuttin. I am too stunned. What an asshole. A deeply disturbed, fucked up asshole.
Mondobubba on 03/14/2008 15:59:30
Quote by Raine:
People who should be thinned from the herd:****** Warning ***** A man was jailed Thursday on charges that he forced his 7-year-old daughter to kill the family cat by holding a knife in her hand and making her stab the pet.
Danield J. Collins, 39, told his children during a visit to his home Sunday that he wanted them to "learn how to kill" and gave his 11-year-old son a knife to do it, according to an affidavit filed in the case.
The boy tried to save the cat by hiding it under a sofa bed and putting ketchup on a knife when Collins went to the bathroom. But when the father realized that the cat was not dead, he forced his daughter to hold the knife and then held her hand tightly as he drove the knife into the animal, Muncie police Detective Jami Brown said.
Police said Collins stabbed and strangled the cat himself, and told his son to throw the dead pet in the trash. Officers retrieved the carcass to be used as evidence.
I got nuttin. I am too stunned. What an asshole. A deeply disturbed, fucked up asshole.
Comment by livingonli on 03/14/2008 15:59:49
livingonli on 03/14/2008 15:59:49
You should not learn to kill. The kid did the right thing trying to protect the cat.
Comment by BobR on 03/14/2008 16:02:01
BobR on 03/14/2008 16:02:01
Comment by Raine on 03/14/2008 16:02:59
pfff.. Lurk all you want... but if you see a random 
every now and then ... well now you know why!!!
(any excuse for me to
I say!!! )
Raine on 03/14/2008 16:02:59
Quote by jd_in_ny:
Oh, good morning!
Yeah, I kind of lurk until I'm not lurking anymore. Not very polite of me, is it?
every now and then ... well now you know why!!! (any excuse for me to
I say!!! )
Comment by Raine on 03/14/2008 16:06:53
Raine on 03/14/2008 16:06:53
I say NCLB is the worst becuase we are teaching the Children of this nation to not question, to not learn, and even worse to not understand civics... we are teaching a generation of people who will just roll over to the unconstitutionality of everything that this administration is doing. it is the most far reaching tragedy of this administration.
:(
:(
Comment by Mondobubba on 03/14/2008 16:11:13
:sarcasm: Why here is The Sunshine State they are bringing civics back. It is supposed to be part of the FCAT soon.
Mondobubba on 03/14/2008 16:11:13
Quote by Raine:
I say NCLB is the worst becuase we are teaching the Children of this nation to not question, to not learn, and even worse to not understand civics... we are teaching a generation of people who will just roll over to the unconstitutionality of everything that this administration is doing. it is the most far reaching tragedy of this administration.
:(
:sarcasm: Why here is The Sunshine State they are bringing civics back. It is supposed to be part of the FCAT soon.
Comment by livingonli on 03/14/2008 16:17:29
Because it's easier to be corrupt, steal power, and deceive people if you have a nation of unthinking sheep.
livingonli on 03/14/2008 16:17:29
Quote by Raine:
I say NCLB is the worst becuase we are teaching the Children of this nation to not question, to not learn, and even worse to not understand civics... we are teaching a generation of people who will just roll over to the unconstitutionality of everything that this administration is doing. it is the most far reaching tragedy of this administration.
:(
Because it's easier to be corrupt, steal power, and deceive people if you have a nation of unthinking sheep.
Comment by Raine on 03/14/2008 16:26:22
Raine on 03/14/2008 16:26:22
How many delegates did John Get? This caller said 100+ I was under the impression it was less than 30.
:scratchhead:
:scratchhead:
Comment by wickedpam on 03/14/2008 16:39:27
I thought Edwards had 26
wickedpam on 03/14/2008 16:39:27
Quote by Raine:
How many delegates did John Get? This caller said 100+ I was under the impression it was less than 30.
:scratchhead:
I thought Edwards had 26
Comment by Raine on 03/14/2008 17:10:32
Raine on 03/14/2008 17:10:32
:nervous: Listening to Thom...
Comment by Raine on 03/14/2008 17:37:31
Raine on 03/14/2008 17:37:31
This is actually very fascinating today on Thom.
Comment by 
Shane-O on 03/14/2008 17:43:29
Shane-O on 03/14/2008 17:43:29
Hi all! -- I've been absent this a.m. -- been watching the FISA debate on the House floor. Just about over (Steny's last) - then a vote.
Just wanted to pop in and put up a reminder about the Unofficial SMS March Madness Tourny.
http://tournament.fantasysports.yahoo.com
Group name "Unofficial SMS Tourny"
Group ID#55189
Password "computersaysyes"
All are welcome, and I'll put up the info on the SMS Live Blog next week as well.
Be back later!
Just wanted to pop in and put up a reminder about the Unofficial SMS March Madness Tourny.
http://tournament.fantasysports.yahoo.com
Group name "Unofficial SMS Tourny"
Group ID#55189
Password "computersaysyes"
All are welcome, and I'll put up the info on the SMS Live Blog next week as well.
Be back later!
Comment by Raine on 03/14/2008 17:48:49
Yeah, I thought so. Actually, I thought it was FAR less --- but certainly NOT 0ver 100.
Raine on 03/14/2008 17:48:49
Quote by wickedpam:Quote by Raine:
How many delegates did John Get? This caller said 100+ I was under the impression it was less than 30.
:scratchhead:
I thought Edwards had 26
Comment by Raine on 03/14/2008 17:59:18
Raine on 03/14/2008 17:59:18
That was a fairly intense segment.
Thom will not be back until wednesday. I just want him and all these brave people to stay safe until then!
Thom will not be back until wednesday. I just want him and all these brave people to stay safe until then!
Comment by Raine on 03/14/2008 18:05:06
Raine on 03/14/2008 18:05:06
WOAH! OK, the AP news at the top of the hour just reported that the president thinks that Washington should not interfere with the money crisis in DC?
UHM...UHM....
did we NOT just here tht the feds are pumping 200 Billion dollars into bail these folks out? IS DC NOT sending out a bunch of rebate checks?
UHM isn't the federal reserve helping to bail out Bear Stearns?
oh, silly me, the *resident meant congress should stay out and let him and all his neoConfarteneconomics takes care of it, right?
UHM...UHM....
did we NOT just here tht the feds are pumping 200 Billion dollars into bail these folks out? IS DC NOT sending out a bunch of rebate checks?
UHM isn't the federal reserve helping to bail out Bear Stearns?
oh, silly me, the *resident meant congress should stay out and let him and all his neoConfarteneconomics takes care of it, right?
Comment by Shane-O on 03/14/2008 18:20:18
Shane-O on 03/14/2008 18:20:18
The "Blue Dog Democrats" in the House held up 
H.R. 3773 (the House version of FISA amendment - without Telcom immunity) just passed - 213 to 197!
They grew some!!!!
H.R. 3773 (the House version of FISA amendment - without Telcom immunity) just passed - 213 to 197!
They grew some!!!!
Comment by velveeta jones on 03/14/2008 18:20:28
Thanks for reminding me why I should never own a gun......... :rage:
Why exactly was this "father" teaching his kids to kill? Was it so they'd kill him?
velveeta jones on 03/14/2008 18:20:28
Quote by Mondobubba:Quote by Raine:
People who should be thinned from the herd:****** Warning ***** A man was jailed Thursday on charges that he forced his 7-year-old daughter to kill the family cat by holding a knife in her hand and making her stab the pet.
Danield J. Collins, 39, told his children during a visit to his home Sunday that he wanted them to "learn how to kill" and gave his 11-year-old son a knife to do it, according to an affidavit filed in the case.
The boy tried to save the cat by hiding it under a sofa bed and putting ketchup on a knife when Collins went to the bathroom. But when the father realized that the cat was not dead, he forced his daughter to hold the knife and then held her hand tightly as he drove the knife into the animal, Muncie police Detective Jami Brown said.
Police said Collins stabbed and strangled the cat himself, and told his son to throw the dead pet in the trash. Officers retrieved the carcass to be used as evidence.
I got nuttin. I am too stunned. What an asshole. A deeply disturbed, fucked up asshole.
Thanks for reminding me why I should never own a gun......... :rage:
Why exactly was this "father" teaching his kids to kill? Was it so they'd kill him?
Comment by velveeta jones on 03/14/2008 18:23:21
YAY!!
Now, please everyone, mail, call, email, whatever, (mail is best) those that had the courage to stand up and thank them.
velveeta jones on 03/14/2008 18:23:21
Quote by Shane-O:
The "Blue Dog Democrats" in the House held up
H.R. 3773 (the House version of FISA amendment - without Telcom immunity) just passed - 213 to 197!
They grew some!!!!
YAY!!
Now, please everyone, mail, call, email, whatever, (mail is best) those that had the courage to stand up and thank them.
Comment by wickedpam on 03/14/2008 18:26:02
wickedpam on 03/14/2008 18:26:02
I was just reading on Perez Hilton that John Gibson's been fired from Faux.
Comment by livingonli on 03/14/2008 18:26:11
It must be nice living in that bubble of his without a clue as to what's happening in the rest of the world. Apparently his own people feel this is needed to insure that the economy at least doesn't collapse until he's out of office so that the next president is stuck cleaning up the shit.
livingonli on 03/14/2008 18:26:11
Quote by Raine:
WOAH! OK, the AP news at the top of the hour just reported that the president thinks that Washington should not interfere with the money crisis in DC?
UHM...UHM....
did we NOT just here tht the feds are pumping 200 Billion dollars into bail these folks out? IS DC NOT sending out a bunch of rebate checks?
UHM isn't the federal reserve helping to bail out Bear Stearns?
oh, silly me, the *resident meant congress should stay out and let him and all his neoConfarteneconomics takes care of it, right?
It must be nice living in that bubble of his without a clue as to what's happening in the rest of the world. Apparently his own people feel this is needed to insure that the economy at least doesn't collapse until he's out of office so that the next president is stuck cleaning up the shit.
Comment by livingonli on 03/14/2008 18:28:04
Yay! 
So, what other orgaznization will hire him so that he can bemoan that white people aren't having enough babies? Well, there are those ones on shortwave.
livingonli on 03/14/2008 18:28:04
Quote by wickedpam:
I was just reading on Perez Hilton that John Gibson's been fired from Faux.
Yay!
So, what other orgaznization will hire him so that he can bemoan that white people aren't having enough babies? Well, there are those ones on shortwave.
Comment by Shane-O on 03/14/2008 18:28:21
Shane-O on 03/14/2008 18:28:21
I'll post a link to the votes once it's up so that all those who would like to write can do so...
Great idea, Velveeta!
Great idea, Velveeta!
Comment by jd_in_ny on 03/14/2008 18:30:24
jd_in_ny on 03/14/2008 18:30:24
Go Reps! I know that my dingus Rep probably voted against (he is definitely a pathetic Bushie), but I'm very proud of Pelosi and all the others who didn't let Bush bully them!
Keep it up!
Keep it up!
Comment by BobR on 03/14/2008 18:32:54
BobR on 03/14/2008 18:32:54
Confidential to MMB:
We removed your comment because we believe it to be a veiled reference in such a manner that breaks our board/blog rules. However, I would say to your "friend" that they should stop being so nosy. Every person deserves their privacy, even those in a commited relationship, and especially those in a new relationship. Snooping on another person's computer and making copies of stuff is very stalky, and may be illegal.
Any further questions or comments on this issue should be directed via the "Ask the Staff" link...
We removed your comment because we believe it to be a veiled reference in such a manner that breaks our board/blog rules. However, I would say to your "friend" that they should stop being so nosy. Every person deserves their privacy, even those in a commited relationship, and especially those in a new relationship. Snooping on another person's computer and making copies of stuff is very stalky, and may be illegal.
Any further questions or comments on this issue should be directed via the "Ask the Staff" link...
Comment by 
TriSec on 03/14/2008 18:38:08
TriSec on 03/14/2008 18:38:08
***4F NEWS ALERT***
Watertown, MA
Eyewitnesses are reporting a cave-in at the little known AthenaMine in this city. Early reports indicate at least one blogger trapped hundreds of feet below the surface. Officials state there is light and heat where the miner is trapped, but there is no word on oxygen or water.
Stay tuned for further details.
:kickcan:
Watertown, MA
Eyewitnesses are reporting a cave-in at the little known AthenaMine in this city. Early reports indicate at least one blogger trapped hundreds of feet below the surface. Officials state there is light and heat where the miner is trapped, but there is no word on oxygen or water.
Stay tuned for further details.
:kickcan:
Comment by Shane-O on 03/14/2008 18:42:06
Shane-O on 03/14/2008 18:42:06
Update - final vote, according to Congress.org was 221-188. Vote #144. Complete tally (by member) should be up soon...
Comment by Raine on 03/14/2008 18:46:32
OMG!!!There is hope for this country!
Raine on 03/14/2008 18:46:32
Quote by Shane-O:
The "Blue Dog Democrats" in the House held up
H.R. 3773 (the House version of FISA amendment - without Telcom immunity) just passed - 213 to 197!
They grew some!!!!
Comment by BobR on 03/14/2008 18:52:16
*** UPDATE ***
A bucket brigade has been formed to send Rainetinis down to the trapped blogger, but all of the salt seems to be absorbing them before they can reach their destination. Zambonis have been ordered and are on their way...
BobR on 03/14/2008 18:52:16
Quote by TriSec:
***4F NEWS ALERT***
Watertown, MA
Eyewitnesses are reporting a cave-in at the little known AthenaMine in this city. Early reports indicate at least one blogger trapped hundreds of feet below the surface. Officials state there is light and heat where the miner is trapped, but there is no word on oxygen or water.
Stay tuned for further details.
:kickcan:
*** UPDATE ***
A bucket brigade has been formed to send Rainetinis down to the trapped blogger, but all of the salt seems to be absorbing them before they can reach their destination. Zambonis have been ordered and are on their way...
Comment by Raine on 03/14/2008 18:53:43
Raine on 03/14/2008 18:53:43
Is everyone stretched and ready?
Comment by m-hadley on 03/14/2008 19:01:45
)
Yeah... go Dems (blue, yellow, red, green and purple dogs). Thanks for the update - I needed that news this afternoon
m-hadley on 03/14/2008 19:01:45
Quote by velveeta jones:Quote by Shane-O:
The "Blue Dog Democrats" in the House held up
H.R. 3773 (the House version of FISA amendment - without Telcom immunity) just passed - 213 to 197!
They grew some!!!!
YAY!!
Now, please everyone, mail, call, email, whatever, (mail is best) those that had the courage to stand up and thank them.
)
Yeah... go Dems (blue, yellow, red, green and purple dogs). Thanks for the update - I needed that news this afternoon
Comment by livingonli on 03/14/2008 19:05:07
livingonli on 03/14/2008 19:05:07
And now it's time for me to hit the salt mines. But I will bounce my man boobs before I go. 
Comment by TriSec on 03/14/2008 19:06:50
TriSec on 03/14/2008 19:06:50
I'm here!
And as a special treat, only Your Loyal TriSec could put together bouncing and aviation.
I wouldn't want to be on *that* flight!
And as a special treat, only Your Loyal TriSec could put together bouncing and aviation.
I wouldn't want to be on *that* flight!
Comment by Raine on 03/14/2008 19:08:35
It's Friday ya bastahds!
:boobs:
:boobs2: 
:boobs:
:martini:
:boygirlkiss:
!!! !!!!
:martini:
:girlgirlkiss:
:boobs2:
:boobs:
:boobs2:
:boobs2:
:boobs2: :boobs2:
BOUNCE!!
:boobs: :boobs:
Raine on 03/14/2008 19:08:35
:boobs:
:boobs2:
:boobs:
:martini:
:boygirlkiss:
!!!
!!!!:martini:
:girlgirlkiss:
:boobs2:
:boobs:
:boobs2:
:boobs2:
:boobs2:
:boobs2:BOUNCE!!
:boobs:
:boobs:
Comment by wickedpam on 03/14/2008 19:08:53
wickedpam on 03/14/2008 19:08:53
no randi commentary during song?
Comment by BobR on 03/14/2008 19:09:14
The 4FBlog orchestra plays "Bounce Your Boobies":
:guitar: 
backed up by the Dancing Bananas:
:banana:
and the crowd goes nuts!
:boobs2: 
:boobs:
:Beer:
:boobs:
:boobs2:
BobR on 03/14/2008 19:09:14
The 4FBlog orchestra plays "Bounce Your Boobies":
:guitar:
backed up by the Dancing Bananas:
:banana:
and the crowd goes nuts!
:boobs2:
:boobs:
:Beer:
:boobs:
:boobs2:
Comment by wickedpam on 03/14/2008 19:09:28
wickedpam on 03/14/2008 19:09:28
Comment by Raine on 03/14/2008 19:14:03
The Zamboni has been delayed, Santa is, after all, in the off season being a pervert...
Raine has pressed charges. I was trying to get that baby jump started, and Santa got his signals missed... :D
Raine on 03/14/2008 19:14:03
Quote by BobR:Quote by TriSec:
***4F NEWS ALERT***
Watertown, MA
Eyewitnesses are reporting a cave-in at the little known AthenaMine in this city. Early reports indicate at least one blogger trapped hundreds of feet below the surface. Officials state there is light and heat where the miner is trapped, but there is no word on oxygen or water.
Stay tuned for further details.
:kickcan:
*** UPDATE ***
A bucket brigade has been formed to send Rainetinis down to the trapped blogger, but all of the salt seems to be absorbing them before they can reach their destination. Zambonis have been ordered and are on their way...
Raine has pressed charges. I was trying to get that baby jump started, and Santa got his signals missed... :D
Comment by velveeta jones on 03/14/2008 19:14:39
Aw honey, Velveeta will send down a rope with breathing apparatus and scotch.
velveeta jones on 03/14/2008 19:14:39
Quote by TriSec:
***4F NEWS ALERT***
Watertown, MA
Eyewitnesses are reporting a cave-in at the little known AthenaMine in this city. Early reports indicate at least one blogger trapped hundreds of feet below the surface. Officials state there is light and heat where the miner is trapped, but there is no word on oxygen or water.
Stay tuned for further details.
:kickcan:
Aw honey, Velveeta will send down a rope with breathing apparatus and scotch.
Comment by BobR on 03/14/2008 19:14:47
ouch!
BobR on 03/14/2008 19:14:47
Quote by TriSec:
I'm here!
And as a special treat, only Your Loyal TriSec could put together bouncing and aviation.
I wouldn't want to be on *that* flight!
ouch!
Comment by wickedpam on 03/14/2008 19:27:44
wickedpam on 03/14/2008 19:27:44
*sigh* I hate then the race card is played by either side.
Comment by Shane-O on 03/14/2008 19:28:08
The Zamboni has been delayed, Santa is, after all, in the off season being a pervert...
Raine has pressed charges. I was trying to get that baby jump started, and Santa got his signals missed... :D
Shane-O on 03/14/2008 19:28:08
Quote by Raine:
Raine has pressed charges. I was trying to get that baby jump started, and Santa got his signals missed... :D
Oh, if only to be Santa for a day...
Comment by TriSec on 03/14/2008 19:29:45
TriSec on 03/14/2008 19:29:45
Zamboni is kind of a swear word around these parts recently, anyway. (have you seen Da Broon's record over the past two weeks?)
Suck!
Suck!
Comment by Raine on 03/14/2008 19:33:26
Raine on 03/14/2008 19:33:26
I sincerly hope that Randi is not going to partake in the Swiftboating of Barack becuase of this preist.
And I am going to say something that may not be very popular here.
This man, has a point. His detriment is that he used the word HILLARY. you get rid of that word, and we could really be having a real interesting about debate about race in america. NOT an easy debate, but real good one. HE used Hillary t make a point, and he used bArack to make the opposite side of that point.
I dunno. No one ever seems to want to hear things like this. Using BRack to show the plight of the black man makes barack look like a martyr, and he is not. using Hiller only makes all women look like vixtims... we are not.
But the discussion NEEDS To happen. I have seen black people lose a cab in cities. WHY? becuase I was waving one down at the same time. I do not think it was chivalry.
I used to LOVE to give those cabs to the people who deserved it becuase they were waiting longer than me.
You had to be there I guess. But I know things that I see, and I saw it.
And I am going to say something that may not be very popular here.
This man, has a point. His detriment is that he used the word HILLARY. you get rid of that word, and we could really be having a real interesting about debate about race in america. NOT an easy debate, but real good one. HE used Hillary t make a point, and he used bArack to make the opposite side of that point.
I dunno. No one ever seems to want to hear things like this. Using BRack to show the plight of the black man makes barack look like a martyr, and he is not. using Hiller only makes all women look like vixtims... we are not.
But the discussion NEEDS To happen. I have seen black people lose a cab in cities. WHY? becuase I was waving one down at the same time. I do not think it was chivalry.
I used to LOVE to give those cabs to the people who deserved it becuase they were waiting longer than me.
You had to be there I guess. But I know things that I see, and I saw it.
Comment by Shane-O on 03/14/2008 19:36:58
Wrong vote #. It was #145. 212-197. Congress.org can be a bit cumbersome - not a lot of info right after votes.
As such, I'll shut up about it until they fill in all the info.
Shane-O on 03/14/2008 19:36:58
Quote by Shane-O:
Update - final vote, according to Congress.org was 221-188. Vote #144. Complete tally (by member) should be up soon...
Wrong vote #. It was #145. 212-197. Congress.org can be a bit cumbersome - not a lot of info right after votes.
As such, I'll shut up about it until they fill in all the info.
Comment by wickedpam on 03/14/2008 19:37:48
wickedpam on 03/14/2008 19:37:48
The thing is - I'm tired of that kinda arguement. I don't care if someone is whatever color they are. It's a descirptive term and that's it too me.
Comment by Raine on 03/14/2008 19:38:36
Raine on 03/14/2008 19:38:36
I dunno if I agree with Randi.
This should not be Obama's problem. This man is a preacher at his church, and barack may be a member of the hurch, but we are NOT supposed to be choosing our presidents becuase of the church.
THAT man said this, barack did not.
This should not be Obama's problem. This man is a preacher at his church, and barack may be a member of the hurch, but we are NOT supposed to be choosing our presidents becuase of the church.
THAT man said this, barack did not.
Comment by jd_in_ny on 03/14/2008 19:43:18
jd_in_ny on 03/14/2008 19:43:18
Whether it SHOULD be Obama's problem is irrelevant, isn't it? - it IS a problem to a lot of people out there.
There are a lot of discussions about race and gender that need to take place, and while I do not think that Barack represents all men of color or Hillary represents all women, ignoring the issues doesn't make them go away. Wouldn't it be a coup if Obama could take this moment to open up a positive discourse? He can bring people together and dispel a lot of the fear that will arise if we just try to sweep it away.
There are a lot of discussions about race and gender that need to take place, and while I do not think that Barack represents all men of color or Hillary represents all women, ignoring the issues doesn't make them go away. Wouldn't it be a coup if Obama could take this moment to open up a positive discourse? He can bring people together and dispel a lot of the fear that will arise if we just try to sweep it away.
Comment by Raine on 03/14/2008 19:46:22
You can update all you want.
I love STILL seeing the numbers work for us!
Raine on 03/14/2008 19:46:22
Quote by Shane-O:Quote by Shane-O:
Update - final vote, according to Congress.org was 221-188. Vote #144. Complete tally (by member) should be up soon...
Wrong vote #. It was #145. 212-197. Congress.org can be a bit cumbersome - not a lot of info right after votes.
As such, I'll shut up about it until they fill in all the info.
I love STILL seeing the numbers work for us!
Comment by velveeta jones on 03/14/2008 19:50:07
Agree with that!!
Anyone one who has ever been to any church may have heard something they don't agree with from the Priest, Rabbi, Minister, Cult leader, Preacher, Supreme Space Alien, High Priest........whatever. Unless they constantly enspouse views different from you, then you don't throw the baby out with the bathwater.
And anyone who has been to a southern Baptist church and heard this type of HellFire preacher, knows that they have a tendancy to exagerate in order to drive the point home. They're just being theatrical.
velveeta jones on 03/14/2008 19:50:07
Quote by Raine:
I dunno if I agree with Randi.
This should not be Obama's problem. This man is a preacher at his church, and barack may be a member of the hurch, but we are NOT supposed to be choosing our presidents becuase of the church.
THAT man said this, barack did not.
Agree with that!!
Anyone one who has ever been to any church may have heard something they don't agree with from the Priest, Rabbi, Minister, Cult leader, Preacher, Supreme Space Alien, High Priest........whatever. Unless they constantly enspouse views different from you, then you don't throw the baby out with the bathwater.
And anyone who has been to a southern Baptist church and heard this type of HellFire preacher, knows that they have a tendancy to exagerate in order to drive the point home. They're just being theatrical.
Comment by jd_in_ny on 03/14/2008 19:53:33
That's very true - and it's not like you can't find a dozen examples to support this.
jd_in_ny on 03/14/2008 19:53:33
Quote by velveeta jones:Quote by Raine:
I dunno if I agree with Randi.
This should not be Obama's problem. This man is a preacher at his church, and barack may be a member of the hurch, but we are NOT supposed to be choosing our presidents becuase of the church.
THAT man said this, barack did not.
Agree with that!!
Anyone one who has ever been to any church may have heard something they don't agree with from the Priest, Rabbi, Minister, Cult leader, Preacher, Supreme Space Alien, High Priest........whatever. Unless they constantly enspouse views different from you, then you don't throw the baby out with the bathwater.
And anyone who has been to a southern Baptist church and heard this type of HellFire preacher, knows that they have a tendancy to exagerate in order to drive the point home. They're just being theatrical.
That's very true - and it's not like you can't find a dozen examples to support this.
Comment by TriSec on 03/14/2008 19:53:42
TriSec on 03/14/2008 19:53:42
Well, the Dow is off 235 points today. That 200 Billion did a world of good, didn't it?
Comment by Raine on 03/14/2008 19:54:50
Raine on 03/14/2008 19:54:50
OK. Randi said that Obama has been a member of this church for over 20 years. She said that this man married him and Michelle. She said that this is a problem for Barack. Why? because a leader of his church said some things that are really uncomfortable for some people.
Well let me tell you. As far as the Democrartic Party goes. I have been a member for 22 years. My leaders have said MANY uncomfotable things... in recent years... things like *impeachment is off the table* So basically, becuase I so deeply disagree, I should LEAVE The party, denounce it? Should BArack do the same?
When did we get to a point of a having a religious litmus test for a candidate?
I have LONG disagreed with many members of this party. I still am with the party. What does that make me?
Well let me tell you. As far as the Democrartic Party goes. I have been a member for 22 years. My leaders have said MANY uncomfotable things... in recent years... things like *impeachment is off the table* So basically, becuase I so deeply disagree, I should LEAVE The party, denounce it? Should BArack do the same?
When did we get to a point of a having a religious litmus test for a candidate?
I have LONG disagreed with many members of this party. I still am with the party. What does that make me?
Comment by TriSec on 03/14/2008 19:54:55
TriSec on 03/14/2008 19:54:55
I've been using this website recently to track the stocks.
Go and take a look at the six-month and one-year charts of the Dow average. That ought to give you pause. This week's fluctuations are nothing, it's been trending steadily downward for quite a while now.
Go and take a look at the six-month and one-year charts of the Dow average. That ought to give you pause. This week's fluctuations are nothing, it's been trending steadily downward for quite a while now.
Comment by TriSec on 03/14/2008 20:03:31
TriSec on 03/14/2008 20:03:31
Article VI, Raine...
"...no religious test shall ever be required as a qualification to any office or public trust under the United States."
"...no religious test shall ever be required as a qualification to any office or public trust under the United States."
Comment by Raine on 03/14/2008 20:09:07
Great point JD.
Why does it take a black man and a woman running to actually make most of america to the point of being willing to talk about this?
I mean it seriously. Here and on our MB, I am really happy that we have not been afraid to try to tackle this crap, but WHY does it take actually looking at a woman and a black man for people to even begin to actually be willing to discuss this?
I used to call it white guilt, but hell I dunno what to call it anymore.
Raine on 03/14/2008 20:09:07
Quote by jd_in_ny:
Whether it SHOULD be Obama's problem is irrelevant, isn't it? - it IS a problem to a lot of people out there.
There are a lot of discussions about race and gender that need to take place, and while I do not think that Barack represents all men of color or Hillary represents all women, ignoring the issues doesn't make them go away. Wouldn't it be a coup if Obama could take this moment to open up a positive discourse? He can bring people together and dispel a lot of the fear that will arise if we just try to sweep it away.
Why does it take a black man and a woman running to actually make most of america to the point of being willing to talk about this?
I mean it seriously. Here and on our MB, I am really happy that we have not been afraid to try to tackle this crap, but WHY does it take actually looking at a woman and a black man for people to even begin to actually be willing to discuss this?
I used to call it white guilt, but hell I dunno what to call it anymore.
Comment by jd_in_ny on 03/14/2008 20:09:57
Which is all well and good, except that the whisper campaign saying Obama is a Muslim is the truth (which many, many, many believe -- even Democrats) has forced Obama supporters to point to his 20-year membership in this Christian church.
It angers.
And the hypocrisy after Falwell and Hagee and the rest... gah!
jd_in_ny on 03/14/2008 20:09:57
Quote by TriSec:
Article VI, Raine...
"...no religious test shall ever be required as a qualification to any office or public trust under the United States."
Which is all well and good, except that the whisper campaign saying Obama is a Muslim is the truth (which many, many, many believe -- even Democrats) has forced Obama supporters to point to his 20-year membership in this Christian church.
It angers.
And the hypocrisy after Falwell and Hagee and the rest... gah!
Comment by jd_in_ny on 03/14/2008 20:12:10
jd_in_ny on 03/14/2008 20:12:10
Well, I am a white person who says "what he is saying is factually true. I wouldn't want to hear it from the pulpit in that tone, but that's why I'm glad I'm free not to go to that church."
Comment by Raine on 03/14/2008 20:21:59
Raine on 03/14/2008 20:21:59
Randi needs to stop playing devils advocate ----- today.
We know about race, We know about religion. What we need to do now is defend against the attacks. What revrand Wright has said is PART of HIS church. it is not a part of the Obama campign.
You can be a part of a church and not agree with the entire preachers doctrine.
You can.
And Jesus... here is the other side... if people want to keep spreading the LIE that barack is Muslim, then hell... they lost the entire argument. You can't Fight both sides.
What a clusterfuck. I still think randi is playing into the idea of a swiftboating of Barack. This is not Baraks fault.
We know about race, We know about religion. What we need to do now is defend against the attacks. What revrand Wright has said is PART of HIS church. it is not a part of the Obama campign.
You can be a part of a church and not agree with the entire preachers doctrine.
You can.
And Jesus... here is the other side... if people want to keep spreading the LIE that barack is Muslim, then hell... they lost the entire argument. You can't Fight both sides.
What a clusterfuck. I still think randi is playing into the idea of a swiftboating of Barack. This is not Baraks fault.
Comment by livingonli on 03/14/2008 20:28:38
livingonli on 03/14/2008 20:28:38
While driving to work I ended up listening to some of the Winter Soldier hearings on WBAI. During the hour, it was mostly Jeremy Scahill talking about Blackwater and how there is no prosecution of the contractors and they have carte blanche to kill while if a soldier did it he would be prosecuted. Laura Flanders is supposed to be anchoring Free Speech TV's coverage of the hearings tomorrow (look for a friend who has Dish Network).
Comment by Raine on 03/14/2008 20:30:37
Raine on 03/14/2008 20:30:37
I hate the idea that we are now forced to judge a candidate by their CHURCH... as opposed to thier RELIGION.
That is a big thing.
PLUS, as was according to articleIV, yes. I agree.
IF we are REALLY gonna make this about Barack's religion, then Bring it the Hell on.
However, this isn't even about his religion, it is about his CHURCH. Sigh.
That is a big thing.
PLUS, as was according to articleIV, yes. I agree.
IF we are REALLY gonna make this about Barack's religion, then Bring it the Hell on.
However, this isn't even about his religion, it is about his CHURCH. Sigh.
Comment by wickedpam on 03/14/2008 20:36:04
wickedpam on 03/14/2008 20:36:04
Blasphemer!
Comment by wickedpam on 03/14/2008 20:36:39
wickedpam on 03/14/2008 20:36:39
:modbat: Lay off D2 Randi!
Comment by Raine on 03/14/2008 20:40:17
Raine on 03/14/2008 20:40:17
:rofl: I thought about you Mala!!! YES! Lay off the D2!!!
Comment by Raine on 03/14/2008 20:42:29
Raine on 03/14/2008 20:42:29
YES. The UCC is the most progressive of churchices that I have come to know.
Comment by livingonli on 03/14/2008 20:44:28
Considering she likes all those crappy hair bands from the 80's she should not talk about someone's taste in music.
I remember in the early days of AAR when Janeane said as much as she loved Randi, she felt that Randi had terrible taste in music. Janeane's music tastes run more into the alternative/college radio mode.
livingonli on 03/14/2008 20:44:28
Quote by wickedpam:
:modbat: Lay off D2 Randi!
Considering she likes all those crappy hair bands from the 80's she should not talk about someone's taste in music.
I remember in the early days of AAR when Janeane said as much as she loved Randi, she felt that Randi had terrible taste in music. Janeane's music tastes run more into the alternative/college radio mode.
Comment by Raine on 03/14/2008 20:44:38
Raine on 03/14/2008 20:44:38
THE UCC is not an African AMerican Church. Randi is showing a litttle non knowledge here.
Comment by wickedpam on 03/14/2008 20:50:10
wickedpam on 03/14/2008 20:50:10
okay - have a good weekend everyone!
Comment by livingonli on 03/14/2008 20:53:22
Is this some half-assed attempt to be objective since she's been getting dissed for criticizing Hillary which was far more detailed and accurate than this hit piece?
Have a good weekend, Mala.
livingonli on 03/14/2008 20:53:22
Quote by Raine:
THE UCC is not an African AMerican Church. Randi is showing a litttle non knowledge here.
Is this some half-assed attempt to be objective since she's been getting dissed for criticizing Hillary which was far more detailed and accurate than this hit piece?
Have a good weekend, Mala.
Comment by BobR on 03/14/2008 21:07:56
Are you sure you're not confusing it with the UUC?
UCC = United Church of Christ
UUC = Unitarian Universalist Church
BobR on 03/14/2008 21:07:56
Quote by Raine:
YES. The UCC is the most progressive of churchices that I have come to know.
Are you sure you're not confusing it with the UUC?
UCC = United Church of Christ
UUC = Unitarian Universalist Church
Comment by BobR on 03/14/2008 21:11:28
BobR on 03/14/2008 21:11:28
Comment by livingonli on 03/14/2008 21:17:13
The late William Sloane Coffin was part of United Church of Christ, I do believe they have a strong presence in the peace movement.
livingonli on 03/14/2008 21:17:13
Quote by BobR:Quote by Raine:
YES. The UCC is the most progressive of churchices that I have come to know.
Are you sure you're not confusing it with the UUC?
UCC = United Church of Christ
UUC = Unitarian Universalist Church
The late William Sloane Coffin was part of United Church of Christ, I do believe they have a strong presence in the peace movement.
Comment by Shane-O on 03/14/2008 22:23:35
Shane-O on 03/14/2008 22:23:35
Full list of yeas and nays on H.R. 3773 is here:
http://clerk.house.gov/evs/2008/roll145.xml
http://clerk.house.gov/evs/2008/roll145.xml
Comment by livingonli on 03/15/2008 01:50:07
livingonli on 03/15/2008 01:50:07
Tonight at work I have the PAC-10 Tournament with USC vs. UCLA.
Comment by Mondobubba on 03/15/2008 02:02:10
Mondobubba on 03/15/2008 02:02:10
I'm watching John Stossel. All about sex offenders. I don't know why It is John Stossel for christ sake
It is John Stossel for christ sake
Comment by BobR on 03/15/2008 03:25:43
BobR on 03/15/2008 03:25:43
Major storm just came through Atlanta. We got some hail about the size of large green peas. Watching the footage on the news, it looks like a tornado hit downtown Atlanta about 2 miles from here.
Comment by Mondobubba on 03/15/2008 03:38:35
That is semi-serious hail, Bobber
Mondobubba on 03/15/2008 03:38:35
Quote by BobR:
Major storm just came through Atlanta. We got some hail about the size of large green peas. Watching the footage on the news, it looks like a tornado hit downtown Atlanta about 2 miles from here.
That is semi-serious hail, Bobber
Comment by livingonli on 03/15/2008 03:40:51
There was indeed a tornado in the ATL. We just had a report that showed they had to postpone the SEC Tournament because it rattled the Dome.
livingonli on 03/15/2008 03:40:51
Quote by BobR:
Major storm just came through Atlanta. We got some hail about the size of large green peas. Watching the footage on the news, it looks like a tornado hit downtown Atlanta about 2 miles from here.
There was indeed a tornado in the ATL. We just had a report that showed they had to postpone the SEC Tournament because it rattled the Dome.