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Author: TriSec    Date: 08/21/2012 10:18:23

Good Morning.

Today is our 3,971st day in Afghanistan.

We'll start this morning as we always do; with the latest casualty figures from our ongoing war, courtesy of Antiwar.com:

US Military Deaths - Afghanistan: 2,099
Other Military Deaths - Afghanistan: 1,050

We find this morning's cost of war passing through:

$ 1, 364, 745, 100, 000 .00



There's a lot of news today, and is the case with AAV, most of it unfortunate. But let's talk about morale. At one point or another in our lives, most of us have belonged to some kind of group or another. Whether it's a sports team, Scouts, debate club, or even just a circle of friends, we all go through our ups and downs. Some are better than others at dealing with adversity.

The military has been concerned with soldiers' morale since at least George Washington's days, and there have been centuries worth of effort to make sure that our troops remain as happy and confident as possible at all times. Even in war.

But there's a troubling report out that shows the army's overall morale in a sharp decline.. You could easily point to the ongoing war and say "Duh!"....and you may well be right. We're without precedent here; prior to our ongoing decade of war, the longest war in American history is a tie between Vietnam and the Revolution at 8 years and 5 months each.


WASHINGTON ­— Only a quarter of the Army’s officers and enlisted soldiers believe the nation’s largest military branch is headed in the right direction — a survey response that is the lowest on record and reflects what some in the service call a crisis in confidence.

The detailed annual survey by a team of independent researchers found that the most common reasons cited for the bleak outlook were “ineffective leaders at senior levels,” a fear of losing the best and the brightest after a decade of war, and the perception, especially among senior enlisted soldiers, that “the Army is too soft” and lacks sufficient discipline.

The study, ordered by the Center for Army Leadership at Fort Leavenworth in Kansas, also found that one in four troops serving in Afghanistan rated morale either “low” or “very low,” part of a steady downward trend over the last five years.

But the most striking finding is widespread disagreement with the statement that “the Army is headed in the right direction to prepare for the challenges of the next 10 years.”

“In 2011, [active duty] agreement to this statement hit an all-time low,” according to the survey results, a copy of which were provided to The Boston Globe. “Belief that the Army is headed in the right direction is positively related to morale.”

In 2010, about 33 percent of those surveyed didn’t agree with the statement; the number was 38 percent in 2006.

The apparent lack of confidence poses a new set of challenges to the Army as it undergoes budget cuts and shrinks its ranks. The Army’s top officer, General Raymond T. Odierno, says he is taking the findings to heart.

“It is very important for us to be introspective, and we are committed to continual self-assessment,” Odierno told the Army Times newspaper in a statement.

A major concern that the survey identified was whether the Army would be able to keep top-notch leaders as it cuts its ranks, as well as fears it would be stretched too thin to meet unforeseen demands. Junior officers were particularly concerned about retaining good leaders.

The active-duty Army, which is currently about 570,000 strong, is preparing to reduce its ranks by about 90,000 soldiers in the coming years, as the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan wind down and the Pentagon budget is subject to a government-wide belt-tightening.

“Comments on downsizing the force reflected concerns by leaders that troop reductions would significantly impact the Army’s ability to respond to future conflicts,” the study’s authors wrote.



All of this leads directly to my next story. We've reported for years here about the fluctuating, yet unfortunately steady rate of soldier-suicides among active duty personnel. This past July unfortunately yielded the highest rate of suicides since the army began keeping records (a date not referenced in the story, unfortunately.)


WASHINGTON (CNN) -
Soldiers killed themselves at a higher monthly rate in July than any other since detailed statistics have been kept on the issue, the U.S. Army said Thursday.

A total of 38 confirmed or suspected suicides were counted by the Army last month in a tally that took into account both active and non-active duty soldiers who serve in the Army National Guard or Reserve. Three of those active duty soldiers were deployed at the time of their death.

Prior to the announcement, the highest monthly level suicide rate for soldiers was 33 in the months of June 2010 and July 2011 according to statistics released by the Army.

"Suicide is the toughest enemy I have faced in my 37 years in the Army. And it's an enemy that's killing not just Soldiers, but tens of thousands of Americans every year," Gen. Lloyd J. Austin III, Vice Chief of Staff of the Army said in a written statement. "That said, I do believe suicide is preventable. To combat it effectively will require sophisticated solutions aimed at helping individuals to build resiliency and strengthen their life coping skills."

To date, the Army has confirmed 120 suicides for both active and non-active duty soldiers in 2012 with 67 other deaths suspected as suicides, but still under investigation. Twenty-five of those were attributed to soldiers who did not have any previous deployments. The Army reported 242 suicides in 2009, 305 in 2010 and 283 in 2011.

Secretary of Defense Leon Panetta told a Congressional committee last month that the U.S. military was facing an "epidemic" of suicides, and was in need of improvements in mental health services for active duty and returning troops.

In his statement, Austin noted that with Suicide Prevention Month in September, the Army must also continue to address the stigma associated with mental health issues in the service. "Ultimately, we want the mindset across our Force and society at large to be that behavioral health is a routine part of what we do and who we are as we strive to maintain our own physical and mental wellness," he said.

The White House lifted a ban last year on the sending of condolence letters from the president to the families of service members who commit suicide. It reversed a policy in place by previous administrations that had come under intense criticism as the country entered into its 10th year of war.

"This issue is emotional, painful, and complicated," President Barack Obama said last July when the policy was changed. "But these Americans served our nation bravely. ... We need to do everything in our power to honor their service, and to help them stay strong for themselves, for their families and for our nation."


Given the state of the national mood, there's only so much the government and the agencies tasked with caring for our vets can do...since they are completely overwhelmed with volume and paperwork, and are completely underfunded by our troop-supporting congress. Civilian agencies often try to step up to fill in the gaps. But then things like this happen.


California's attorney general sued a major veterans charity on Thursday, accusing the officers and directors of engaging in self-dealing and fraudulent fundraising, and paying excessive compensation.

The suit seeks to remove the officers and recover $4.3 million that it claims was improperly diverted from Help Hospitalized Veterans. The charity in Winchester, Calif., was founded in 1971 to provide therapeutic arts and craft activities for patients receiving care in Veterans Affairs hospitals, military hospitals and state veterans homes, according to its website.

"What makes this case so egregious is our military servicemen and women are willing to sacrifice their lives for our country and for us as Americans, and when they are in need of help and support we should give it to them and not manipulate charitable people and then personally profit from them," state Attorney General Kamala D. Harris told The Associated Press.

The charity raised more than $108 million in contributions over the last three years, it said in tax filings and on its website, with 33.8 percent going toward its programs. The suit alleges that it filed "false and misleading" tax returns that inflated program expenses and reduced its actual fundraising costs to "less than 30 percent."

Based on its reported fundraising, Help Hospitalized Veterans ranks among the top 1 percent of charities in the United States. The group once was endorsed by retired Gen. Tommy Franks, who later distanced himself from the charity.

At the same time, it has ranked for more than a decade at the bottom of lists by watchdog groups that rate nonprofit organizations based on their financial management and abilities to use most of their donations toward their causes. CharityWatch says about 35 percent of Help Hospitalized Veterans' funds go toward programs to aid veterans. The recommended standard is about 65 percent.

The California lawsuit said the charity's president, Michael Lynch, received excessive compensation of $900,000.

The complaint said that former president Roger Chapin, who during a 2008 U.S. congressional hearing about his management of the charity called himself the "the most honest person in this room," retired the following year with a nearly $2 million pension plan. The suit alleges that the group's board members retroactively spiked Chapin's earnings to justify the inflated amount for his retirement.

Chapin is also accused of diverting the charity's funds through a separate charity called Conquer Cancer and Alzheimer's Now.

Chapin was accused of paying himself more than $493,000 from the cancer charity. That charity received the money from American Target Advertising, a fund-raising firm run by conservative political fundraiser Richard Viguerie, who is not named in the suit.


I don't know what it is about some Americans. You've heard of a false-flag operation....it makes me wonder how many of those flags flying and platitudes spoken by some members of society are false. Could it be that the entire "greed is good" mentality is such a pervasive cancer on our society that maybe we really are too far gone to come back?
 

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Comment by wickedpam on 08/21/2012 12:54:18
Morning

Comment by Raine on 08/21/2012 12:58:06
Good Morning!

Comment by TriSec on 08/21/2012 13:14:36
Reposting from last night:


Evening, comrades!

I gasted my flabber whilst phone-banking this evening. I had the best call of the night.

Did you know that the US Ambassador to Spain and Andorra maintains a home in Weston, MA? Well, I spoke to his wife this evening and they're voting for my candidate!





Comment by Raine on 08/21/2012 13:23:19
Paul Rieckhoff just posted this:
The plane of the U.S. chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, Gen. Martin Dempsey, was damaged by enemy fire on the Bagram Air Field in Afghanistan, causing minor damage to the C-17 plane and leaving two American members of the ground crew with minor injuries from shrapnel, according to U.S. officials.

The plane was empty on the tarmac at Bagram when an unspecified projectile struck nearby overnight, and Dempsey's trip to Afghanistan was not affected, according to the Pentagon. The top U.S. military officer was safe in his quarters when the incident occurred.


Comment by Raine on 08/21/2012 13:23:42
Quote by TriSec:
Reposting from last night:


Evening, comrades!

I gasted my flabber whilst phone-banking this evening. I had the best call of the night.

Did you know that the US Ambassador to Spain and Andorra maintains a home in Weston, MA? Well, I spoke to his wife this evening and they're voting for my candidate!



That is really awesome!


Comment by Raine on 08/21/2012 13:27:05
Quote by Raine:
Paul Rieckhoff just posted this:
The plane of the U.S. chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, Gen. Martin Dempsey, was damaged by enemy fire on the Bagram Air Field in Afghanistan, causing minor damage to the C-17 plane and leaving two American members of the ground crew with minor injuries from shrapnel, according to U.S. officials.

The plane was empty on the tarmac at Bagram when an unspecified projectile struck nearby overnight, and Dempsey's trip to Afghanistan was not affected, according to the Pentagon. The top U.S. military officer was safe in his quarters when the incident occurred.
Here is a web version of the story.


Comment by Raine on 08/21/2012 13:37:35
WTF?


"I'm going to throw it out there. You also have the black-white dynamic and the majority of Redskins fans are white. And it’s just human nature, if you’re white to root for the white guy," Bayless contended. "It just happens in sports. Just like the black community will root for the black quarterback. I'm for the black guy. I'm just saying, I don't like the dynamic for RG3. It could stunt his growth in the NFL."
Doucheblast.

Comment by wickedpam on 08/21/2012 14:00:19
Quote by Raine:
WTF?


"I'm going to throw it out there. You also have the black-white dynamic and the majority of Redskins fans are white. And it’s just human nature, if you’re white to root for the white guy," Bayless contended. "It just happens in sports. Just like the black community will root for the black quarterback. I'm for the black guy. I'm just saying, I don't like the dynamic for RG3. It could stunt his growth in the NFL."
Doucheblast.


who the freak is Skip Bayless? Does he even know anything about DC and the Redskins?


Comment by TriSec on 08/21/2012 14:01:14
Healthcare news...ACA is bleeding the industry dry.

The following plans all do business in this Commonwealth:

FCHP reported net income of $4.3 million on revenue of $287 million. Our net income includes investment income of $1.6 million and operating income of $2.7 million. For the same quarter last year, FCHP posted net income of $13.6 million on revenue of $285 million. Membership was 208,366 as of June 30, 2012, compared with 207,791 ending June 30, 2011.

Harvard Pilgrim Health Care had net income of $5.9 million, down from $13.5 million for the same quarter last year, on revenue of $701.3 million. Operating income was $1.6 million compared to $7.2 million a year earlier. HPHC membership as of June 30 was 1,184,000.

Blue Cross Blue Shield of Massachusetts and BCBSMA HMO Blue reported a combined after-tax net income of $28.3 million, down from a net income of $76.5 million for second quarter 2011. Operating income was $8 million compared to $7.7 million last year. Blue Cross membership has held steady for the past year at approximately 2.8 million.

Tufts Health Plan reported a net income of $2.3 million for the second quarter, down from a net income of $35.9 million for the same quarter last year. An operating loss of $2.5 million was offset by investment income of $4.8 million. Tufts membership as of June 30 was 991,000.


Comment by Raine on 08/21/2012 14:05:38
Quote by TriSec:
Healthcare news...ACA is bleeding the industry dry.

The following plans all do business in this Commonwealth:

FCHP reported net income of $4.3 million on revenue of $287 million. Our net income includes investment income of $1.6 million and operating income of $2.7 million. For the same quarter last year, FCHP posted net income of $13.6 million on revenue of $285 million. Membership was 208,366 as of June 30, 2012, compared with 207,791 ending June 30, 2011.

Harvard Pilgrim Health Care had net income of $5.9 million, down from $13.5 million for the same quarter last year, on revenue of $701.3 million. Operating income was $1.6 million compared to $7.2 million a year earlier. HPHC membership as of June 30 was 1,184,000.

Blue Cross Blue Shield of Massachusetts and BCBSMA HMO Blue reported a combined after-tax net income of $28.3 million, down from a net income of $76.5 million for second quarter 2011. Operating income was $8 million compared to $7.7 million last year. Blue Cross membership has held steady for the past year at approximately 2.8 million.

Tufts Health Plan reported a net income of $2.3 million for the second quarter, down from a net income of $35.9 million for the same quarter last year. An operating loss of $2.5 million was offset by investment income of $4.8 million. Tufts membership as of June 30 was 991,000.
That is really interesting.

is that internal info or is there a place where peeps can read that??


Comment by Raine on 08/21/2012 14:06:04
Quote by wickedpam:
Quote by Raine:
WTF?


"I'm going to throw it out there. You also have the black-white dynamic and the majority of Redskins fans are white. And it’s just human nature, if you’re white to root for the white guy," Bayless contended. "It just happens in sports. Just like the black community will root for the black quarterback. I'm for the black guy. I'm just saying, I don't like the dynamic for RG3. It could stunt his growth in the NFL."
Doucheblast.


who the freak is Skip Bayless? Does he even know anything about DC and the Redskins?
ESPN dude who also has a hardon for Tebow.


Comment by wickedpam on 08/21/2012 14:09:09
Quote by Raine:
Quote by wickedpam:
Quote by Raine:
WTF?


"I'm going to throw it out there. You also have the black-white dynamic and the majority of Redskins fans are white. And it’s just human nature, if you’re white to root for the white guy," Bayless contended. "It just happens in sports. Just like the black community will root for the black quarterback. I'm for the black guy. I'm just saying, I don't like the dynamic for RG3. It could stunt his growth in the NFL."
Doucheblast.


who the freak is Skip Bayless? Does he even know anything about DC and the Redskins?
ESPN dude who also has a hardon for Tebow.


apparently. DC just wants a winning football team, don't think they about the color of their players.


Comment by wickedpam on 08/21/2012 14:09:50
A bag of vipers?!

I apparently missed something good on the show for a phone call

Comment by TriSec on 08/21/2012 14:12:43
Quote by Raine:
That is really interesting.

is that internal info or is there a place where peeps can read that??



I don't know where the source is; this came from our company newsletter. The financials are public information of course.

Comment by Mondobubba on 08/21/2012 14:29:10
Quote by TriSec:
Reposting from last night:


Evening, comrades!

I gasted my flabber whilst phone-banking this evening. I had the best call of the night.

Did you know that the US Ambassador to Spain and Andorra maintains a home in Weston, MA? Well, I spoke to his wife this evening and they're voting for my candidate!






My vet is married to the former ambassador to the Bahamas. He's a dick Bush Pioneer.

Comment by Scoopster on 08/21/2012 14:36:30
Mornin' all..

Well the doctor's visit yesterday was fairly quick & routine, with a lot of discussion about what comes next. I still have to go back to have a blood workup, plus I'm waiting for a call from the sleep center to fit me in, and I got a referral for a nutritionist to help work on the weight problem (it's gotten way out of control since the last time you guys saw me, more than I thought).

Comment by Raine on 08/21/2012 14:46:55
Quote by TriSec:
Quote by Raine:
That is really interesting.

is that internal info or is there a place where peeps can read that??



I don't know where the source is; this came from our company newsletter. The financials are public information of course.
Ahh, thanks for that.


Comment by Scoopster on 08/21/2012 14:48:05
Oh yeah.. the doc told me something really odd - there's a chance health insurance pays for part or all of a monthly gym membership?!

Comment by Raine on 08/21/2012 14:48:53
Quote by wickedpam:

apparently. DC just wants a winning football team, don't think they about the color of their players.
Exactly. You know, there was a time when someone would've been fired for such a racist comment.

DC is just happy to have a good QB.


Comment by wickedpam on 08/21/2012 14:54:42
Quote by Scoopster:
Oh yeah.. the doc told me something really odd - there's a chance health insurance pays for part or all of a monthly gym membership?!


does it? ohhh, I need to check into that with ours.


Comment by Raine on 08/21/2012 14:55:10
Quote by Scoopster:
Mornin' all..

Well the doctor's visit yesterday was fairly quick & routine, with a lot of discussion about what comes next. I still have to go back to have a blood workup, plus I'm waiting for a call from the sleep center to fit me in, and I got a referral for a nutritionist to help work on the weight problem (it's gotten way out of control since the last time you guys saw me, more than I thought).
I am glad you are taking care, Scoop.


Comment by Scoopster on 08/21/2012 15:01:24
Rep. Akin's comments are suicidal in the political arena. That's why every other politician is keeping miles away from him.

The same can't be said for the chauvinistic douchebags at the AFA.

Comment by TriSec on 08/21/2012 15:05:45
Quote by Scoopster:
Oh yeah.. the doc told me something really odd - there's a chance health insurance pays for part or all of a monthly gym membership?!


Fallon does - it's called "It Fits".

Gym memberships, Sports leagues, trainers, and a bunch of other things may be covered. I don't know about Rhode Island, but I think there is something buried in Romneycare here in this Commonwealth about paying for preventative and healthy alternatives. (go figure!)

Comment by TriSec on 08/21/2012 15:07:22
Quote by Scoopster:
Rep. Akin's comments are suicidal in the political arena. That's why every other politician is keeping miles away from him.

The same can't be said for the chauvinistic douchebags at the AFA.



Right up there with Bobby Knight. I won't re-quote him here, but I bet you could look it up. (This was ages ago....late 1980s??)



Comment by wickedpam on 08/21/2012 15:42:47
Homicide was a great show

Comment by Raine on 08/21/2012 15:44:09
So this is (yet another) serious problem for Romney. You will recall, from yesterday's blog, Posted a link to the Romney campaign's statement wrt to Todd Akin.
“Governor Romney and Congressman Ryan disagree with Mr. Akin’s statement, and a Romney-Ryan administration would not oppose abortion in instances of rape,’’ a Romney campaign spokeswoman, Amanda Henneberg, wrote.

That sounds good, right? (well, good enough for the GOP)


This week is planking week for the GOP. They are spending the week prior to the convention deciding the party platform. CNN is reporting that they are going to be tough on Abortion. This is a real pickle for the party.
The Republican Party is once again set to enshrine into its official platform support for "a human life amendment" to the Constitution that would outlaw abortion without making explicit exemptions for rape or incest, according to draft language of the platform obtained exclusively by CNN late Monday.

(snip)

The party will reaffirm its opposition to federally-funded embryonic stem cell research and demand that the government "not fund or subsidize health care which includes abortion coverage."

Republicans have also inserted a "salute" to states pushing "informed consent" laws - an apparent reference to ultrasound bills that have moved through some state legislatures - "mandatory waiting periods prior to an abortion, and health-protective clinic regulation."

(snip)

An exemption for rape, though, is not included in the platform set to be adopted by the party Romney will officially lead when he accepts the Republican nomination next week.

And Ryan, his vice presidential pick, has opposed exceptions for rape and voted alongside Akin in the House, though Ryan now says he defers to Romney's position on the matter.


I should probably make this it's own post.






Comment by Scoopster on 08/21/2012 15:45:02
Comment by Raine on 08/21/2012 15:48:42
Quote by wickedpam:
Homicide was a great show
When I watched it I loved it. So gritty. reflected Baltimore so well.

Another show I loved by the same people was New York Undercover

Comment by Raine on 08/21/2012 15:50:46
You should have a WARNING WITH THAT!!!


OMG.


Comment by Mondobubba on 08/21/2012 16:03:20
Quote by Raine:
Quote by wickedpam:
Homicide was a great show
When I watched it I loved it. So gritty. reflected Baltimore so well.

Another show I loved by the same people was New York Undercover



Ya know who one of the producers was? This guy::

http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Books/Pix/pictures/2009/5/20/1242818391004/David-Simon-001.jpg



Read his caustic blog musings here.




Comment by livingonli on 08/21/2012 16:08:23
Good day, folks. Just popped on and Pap is filling in for Ed so I wonder who will fill in for Thom today. I'll probably end up listening to Randi before work.

Comment by wickedpam on 08/21/2012 16:15:41
Pap if scorching some right wing entertainer butts - ouch!

Comment by Raine on 08/21/2012 16:47:51
Liv, you are a comic book guy... Do you think you could help me find out about Chuck Taylor batman and Joker high tops? The original batman and Joker -- before the movies.

Comment by Mondobubba on 08/21/2012 16:57:30
Just made a hasty sign for some of my coworkers who are in "Copywriting Annex.'

Actually it is Storage Room B. Yeah...Milton.

Comment by livingonli on 08/21/2012 16:58:09
Quote by Raine:
Liv, you are a comic book guy... Do you think you could help me find out about Chuck Taylor batman and Joker high tops? The original batman and Joker -- before the movies.

I believe the movie serials have been released on DVD. I've never seen them myself but I probably would have to check Wikipedia since the comic book related stuff is usually pretty detailed. It would make sense that Wikipedia would be a heavy geek zone.

Comment by Raine on 08/21/2012 17:01:22
Quote by livingonli:
Good day, folks. Just popped on and Pap is filling in for Ed so I wonder who will fill in for Thom today. I'll probably end up listening to Randi before work.
Are we sure Thom is out today? I know he is trying his damndest to get back to work.

I have to say, I love listening to Pap.





Comment by Raine on 08/21/2012 17:02:26
Quote by livingonli:
Quote by Raine:
Liv, you are a comic book guy... Do you think you could help me find out about Chuck Taylor batman and Joker high tops? The original batman and Joker -- before the movies.

I believe the movie serials have been released on DVD. I've never seen them myself but I probably would have to check Wikipedia since the comic book related stuff is usually pretty detailed. It would make sense that Wikipedia would be a heavy geek zone.
Oh, maybe I should have been more detailed. I am looking for the Sneakers (ChuckT's) that had the imprints of Batman and the joker as pairs of shoes.


Comment by Raine on 08/21/2012 17:03:06
Don't forget Dana Loesch and Erick Erickson.


Comment by Raine on 08/21/2012 17:03:40
Quote by Mondobubba:
Just made a hasty sign for some of my coworkers who are in "Copywriting Annex.'

Actually it is Storage Room B. Yeah...Milton.

Must have a picture.

Comment by Raine on 08/21/2012 17:11:03
Quote by Raine:
So this is (yet another) serious problem for Romney. You will recall, from yesterday's blog, Posted a link to the Romney campaign's statement wrt to Todd Akin.
“Governor Romney and Congressman Ryan disagree with Mr. Akin’s statement, and a Romney-Ryan administration would not oppose abortion in instances of rape,’’ a Romney campaign spokeswoman, Amanda Henneberg, wrote.

That sounds good, right? (well, good enough for the GOP)


This week is planking week for the GOP. They are spending the week prior to the convention deciding the party platform. CNN is reporting that they are going to be tough on Abortion. This is a real pickle for the party.
The Republican Party is once again set to enshrine into its official platform support for "a human life amendment" to the Constitution that would outlaw abortion without making explicit exemptions for rape or incest, according to draft language of the platform obtained exclusively by CNN late Monday.

(snip)

The party will reaffirm its opposition to federally-funded embryonic stem cell research and demand that the government "not fund or subsidize health care which includes abortion coverage."

Republicans have also inserted a "salute" to states pushing "informed consent" laws - an apparent reference to ultrasound bills that have moved through some state legislatures - "mandatory waiting periods prior to an abortion, and health-protective clinic regulation."

(snip)

An exemption for rape, though, is not included in the platform set to be adopted by the party Romney will officially lead when he accepts the Republican nomination next week.

And Ryan, his vice presidential pick, has opposed exceptions for rape and voted alongside Akin in the House, though Ryan now says he defers to Romney's position on the matter.


I should probably make this it's own post.




Sorry Tri, but I am really feeling like another blog post is going to happen today.


Comment by wickedpam on 08/21/2012 17:21:28
Quote by Raine:
Liv, you are a comic book guy... Do you think you could help me find out about Chuck Taylor batman and Joker high tops? The original batman and Joker -- before the movies.



are you looking for the shoes?

Comment by livingonli on 08/21/2012 17:22:14
How the news industry has fallen. ABC has announced that in January, they are moving Jimmy Kimmel up to the 11:35 slot which will bump Nightline to 12:35 although they will add a one-hour primetime edition on Fridays.

Comment by Scoopster on 08/21/2012 17:23:24
Quote by Raine:
Don't forget Dana Loesch and Erick Erickson.

I was just thinking to myself 'how come I haven't seen any other idiots?!' Too much work to catch up on so I'm not paying attention heh.

Of course, that also means the mainstream media is pushing the line that EVERYONE has rejected this guy.

Comment by BobR on 08/21/2012 17:32:08
Quote by wickedpam:
Quote by Raine:
Liv, you are a comic book guy... Do you think you could help me find out about Chuck Taylor batman and Joker high tops? The original batman and Joker -- before the movies.

are you looking for the shoes?

I bought a pair of Batman and a pair of Joker Converse Hightops back when the very first Batman movie came out (the one with Michael Keaton). Since I never wear them, I gave them to our niece. She says she read they were worth "a lot" (which could mean anything), so I am trying to find what they would go for on a collectibles market.

Comment by wickedpam on 08/21/2012 17:34:16
Quote by BobR:
Quote by wickedpam:
Quote by Raine:
Liv, you are a comic book guy... Do you think you could help me find out about Chuck Taylor batman and Joker high tops? The original batman and Joker -- before the movies.

are you looking for the shoes?

I bought a pair of Batman and a pair of Joker Converse Hightops back when the very first Batman movie came out (the one with Michael Keaton). Since I never wear them, I gave them to our niece. She says she read they were worth "a lot" (which could mean anything), so I am trying to find what they would go for on a collectibles market.


Oh yeah, they could be. There is a solid collector's market for them. Let me see what I can dig up


Comment by wickedpam on 08/21/2012 17:37:16
what year-ish did you get them?

Comment by Raine on 08/21/2012 17:41:41
Quote by wickedpam:
Quote by BobR:
Quote by wickedpam:
Quote by Raine:
Liv, you are a comic book guy... Do you think you could help me find out about Chuck Taylor batman and Joker high tops? The original batman and Joker -- before the movies.

are you looking for the shoes?

I bought a pair of Batman and a pair of Joker Converse Hightops back when the very first Batman movie came out (the one with Michael Keaton). Since I never wear them, I gave them to our niece. She says she read they were worth "a lot" (which could mean anything), so I am trying to find what they would go for on a collectibles market.


Oh yeah, they could be. There is a solid collector's market for them. Let me see what I can dig up



Comment by BobR on 08/21/2012 17:42:17
Quote by wickedpam:
what year-ish did you get them?

it must have been around 1989 when the movie came out