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Stop it.
Author: Raine    Date: 10/01/2012 14:13:34

 
Stop it. This is hard. You want to try it? Get in the ring. This is hard and, you know, it’s an important thing that we’re doing right now and it’s an important election and it is time for all Americans to realize how significant this election is and how lucky we are to have someone with Mitt’s qualifications and experience and know-how to be able to have the opportunity to run this country.”
Ann Romney, to her Republican critics on how her Husbands campaign has been going.


Let's take a trip back to earlier this year. Mitt Romney explained to supporters in a private fundraiser, last May:
Romney also said that the campaign purposefully was using Ann Romney "sparingly…so that people don't get tired of her."
On Good Morning America she told us:
“We’ve given all you people need to know and understand about our financial situation and how we live our life,”
That was June 9. Back in April Ms. Romney explained why they should be in the White House:
"I believe it's Mitt's time. I believe the country needs the kind of leadership he's going to offer… So I think it's our turn now,"
These are actual things that Ms. Romney has said. She is a fierce defender of her husband. I'd expect nothing else from a spouse. She's also a lady, who appreciates big men saving her from distress. Last week, during the now infamous Airplane window statement, Ann said something else I found peculiar:
"Of course there were mostly women on the plane, but we had our Secret Service guys there," she added. "They took charge and the pilot was great and we felt pretty comfortable."
I'm not sure why gender was important with regards to a plane making an emergency landing, but Ms. Romney seemed to think so.

That's why one story really made me concerned about Mitt Romney and his ability to be President of the United States. Late Friday, this story was published.
Asked what her primary worry would be should her husband succeed in defeating President Obama on Nov. 6, Mrs. Romney replied, "You know, I think my biggest concern, obviously, would just be for his mental well-being."

"I have all the confidence in the world in his ability, in his decisiveness and his leadership skills, in his understanding of the economy, in his understanding of what's missing right now in the economy - you know, pieces that are missing to get this jumpstarted," she continued. "So for me I think it would just be the emotional part of it."
That is a highly disturbing statement. Being President is probably one of the most stressful jobs a person can have. The Daily Mail gives a little more information from that interview:
'We call the rope line now the advice line because everyone cares and everyone wants to help and everyone wants to just give their piece, a little piece of advice.

'So I feel like my best advice is just to bring peace and calm to him and just trust in him and just say, "I know you can do it", but not to give him any advice because it gets too overwhelming.”

The would-be First Lady said that her husband would be looking to her in the audience during the three presidential debates in October.

'In all the past debates, he would find me in the audience and after each question, he’d look at me ’cause it was like, "Did I do O.K. Ann? Was that O.K.?" And I love that because he cares so much.

'I mean, we have such a good relationship and we have such a strong marriage and I know that he measures himself and how he’s doing by my face and how I think he’s doing, so I know in these next debates it’s going to be very important for me to be sitting in that audience.'
Does this sound normal to you? Being supportive is a wonderful thing, but this is starting to look like Ann Romney is Mitt's mother as opposed to his wife. She will protect him, and let others protect her, it appears. Ms. Romney is not included in her husband's debate prep, btw. I'm wondering how she feels about that, considering her husband is planning to use a few "Zingers"
Mr. Romney’s team has concluded that debates are about creating moments and has equipped him with a series of zingers that he has memorized and has been practicing on aides since August. His strategy includes luring the president into appearing smug or evasive about his responsibility for the economy. (snip)

To prepare Mr. Romney, Mr. Portman has played Mr. Obama combatively, attacking Mr. Romney as a rich man who does not care about average Americans. Evidently, he has gotten under the candidate’s skin. “We get the chance to debate one another, and after the hour and a half or so is over, I want to kick him out of the room,” Mr. Romney said recently.

True to reputation, Mr. Romney has practiced for months, starting in June in Utah, through three days this month in Vermont. Once, when a problem with a charter plane kept Mr. Romney out until after midnight, his adviser, Beth Myers, asked if he still wanted to practice the next day. “Painful,” he e-mailed, “but yes.”
Mitt Romney has been running for President for over 5 years. When Ann Romney tells you she's worried about her husband's mental health, I say: Believe her. When he's outside of his financial bubble, I think this is a man who does not know how to function without his wife. I think she knows this too. That is not something I want to see in a President of the United States.

She's not going to be in the situation room. She's not going to be in security briefings, She's not going to be in high-level talks with leaders of the Middle East. She's not going to negotiate international treaties. She not going to always be there to calm Mitt down in seriously stressful situations. She will not always be there to bolster him when he is feeling insecure. If this is what is happening in the final weeks of his presidential campaign, then I am concerned about his ability to govern. A campaign is after all, part of the vetting process, and right now, I am not liking this particular portion of what I am seeing. Margaret Thatcher once said: Being prime minister is a lonely job... you cannot lead from the crowd. In 1969, Gordon B. Hinckley (a member of the Quorum of the Twelve Apostles of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints) gave this devotional address to BYU
The Loneliness of Leadership
I suppose many of you watched President Nixon last night as I did, when he spoke to the nation and was listened to by the world. I watched him with great interest. I observed him as he wiped the perspiration from his face, realizing, I am sure, the importance of what he was saying. As I looked at him, I thought of the terrible loneliness of leadership.

True, he has advisors. He has at his beck and call any number of men with whom he can consult; but when all the chips are down, he has to face the world alone, as it were. His advisors do not face the cannon fire of public opinion. That comes to the leader.
If Mitt can't operate without his spouse, that is something with which we should all be concerned.

Yes, this is hard. I think "we people" have been given all we need to know and understand, but...

No, I don't think it's their turn now.

and
Raine
 

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Comment by Mondobubba on 10/01/2012 13:05:07
Morning! I signed a lease on a new place yesterdee. I will be moving Saturday! Blog meet up in Jacksonville!

Comment by wickedpam on 10/01/2012 13:33:33
Morning

Comment by TriSec on 10/01/2012 13:57:22
Greetings, comrades!

Have I mentioned that I'm off to the debate this evening? Very clearly this has national implications....tonight's moderator is David Gregory.

Brother TriSec got tickets through the union, so we think they're decent seats near center stage.

This ought to be fun....I will at least be posting updates to FB if I have the bars. (I've tried from other local debates without much luck - depends on the building.)

Comment by Mondobubba on 10/01/2012 14:03:52
Quote by TriSec:
Greetings, comrades!

Have I mentioned that I'm off to the debate this evening? Very clearly this has national implications....tonight's moderator is David Gregory.

Brother TriSec got tickets through the union, so we think they're decent seats near center stage.

This ought to be fun....I will at least be posting updates to FB if I have the bars. (I've tried from other local debates without much luck - depends on the building.)



Rock on Herr TriSec. Don't suddenly get the urge punch Gregory in the throat. If you do, blame it on the chemo.

Comment by Mondobubba on 10/01/2012 14:08:46
I need to fly to Vegas and choke someone.

Comment by Mondobubba on 10/01/2012 14:10:23
Jesus Christ woman, how hard is it to press the control key and the F5 key? Seriously.

Comment by Mondobubba on 10/01/2012 14:12:08
If you are going to have a website, the first thing you want to do ma'am is remember the fucking URL for the website.

Comment by Raine on 10/01/2012 14:21:47
Mondo... I'd like to give you a hug -- as long as you promise not to bite.



Comment by Raine on 10/01/2012 14:23:05
good morning! It's still being edited, but the blog is up!

Tri, If you have the bars, will the updates be on FB?

Comment by Raine on 10/01/2012 14:23:36
Quote by Mondobubba:
Morning! I signed a lease on a new place yesterdee. I will be moving Saturday! Blog meet up in Jacksonville!
THIS IS GREAT!



Comment by TriSec on 10/01/2012 14:39:58
Dear LA:

Nobody outside your zip code cares about your friggin' highway. Get over it.

(Seriously, why is this national news?)



Comment by wickedpam on 10/01/2012 14:41:52
ugh - even Disney doesn't write princesses that "damsel in distress"-y anymore

Comment by TriSec on 10/01/2012 14:43:40
Quote by Raine:
good morning! It's still being edited, but the blog is up!

Tri, If you have the bars, will the updates be on FB?



Yes, I'll likely be texting direct to FB. I rarely tweet, and I've had problems getting the blog from my phone.



Comment by Mondobubba on 10/01/2012 14:44:39
Quote by TriSec:
Dear LA:

Nobody outside your zip code cares about your friggin' highway. Get over it.

(Seriously, why is this national news?)




Why was the Big Dig? Just sayin...

Comment by Mondobubba on 10/01/2012 14:46:40
Quote by Raine:
Quote by Mondobubba:
Morning! I signed a lease on a new place yesterdee. I will be moving Saturday! Blog meet up in Jacksonville!
THIS IS GREAT!




Yes I won't have to deal with the low-rent, white trash, two-strike felon after Saturday. If you have ever seen "Cops," you've seen Cletus. He's the guy with no shirt they are arresting after he has provided the explaination of why he isn't the guy they are looking for.

Comment by Raine on 10/01/2012 14:49:39
Quote by Mondobubba:

Yes I won't have to deal with the low-rent, white trash, two-strike felon after Saturday. If you have ever seen "Cops," you've seen Cletus. He's the guy with no shirt they are arresting after he has provided the explaination of why he isn't the guy they are looking for.
yeah, that doesn't sound pleasant.


Comment by Raine on 10/01/2012 14:50:59
Quote by wickedpam:
ugh - even Disney doesn't write princesses that "damsel in distress"-y anymore
They are a strange couple, I think.

and that comment was just really strange.

That said, I hope people read this blog, because I really think it shows exactly how fragile a person Mitt Romney is.


Comment by trojanrabbit on 10/01/2012 15:00:23
Quote by Mondobubba:
Quote by TriSec:
Dear LA:

Nobody outside your zip code cares about your friggin' highway. Get over it.

(Seriously, why is this national news?)




Why was the Big Dig? Just sayin...


Well, apart from the fact that the Big Pig was a gigantic cluster-fuck that the country got to pay for (with the usual ca$t of character$ making off like a bandit) and every once in a while puts the fear of God in those that use it by smiting people with debris falling from above....


Comment by trojanrabbit on 10/01/2012 15:01:56
Quote by Raine:
Quote by wickedpam:
ugh - even Disney doesn't write princesses that "damsel in distress"-y anymore
They are a strange couple, I think.

and that comment was just really strange.

That said, I hope people read this blog, because I really think it shows exactly how fragile a person Mitt Romney is.


Maybe Michelle and Barack will give ol' Willard a hug before the debate to settle his fragile mind.

Comment by TriSec on 10/01/2012 15:03:30
Quote by Mondobubba:



Why was the Big Dig? Just sayin...



We didn't have national headlines proclaiming "CARMAGEDDON!!!"


Comment by Mondobubba on 10/01/2012 15:11:29
Quote by Raine:
Quote by Mondobubba:

Yes I won't have to deal with the low-rent, white trash, two-strike felon after Saturday. If you have ever seen "Cops," you've seen Cletus. He's the guy with no shirt they are arresting after he has provided the explaination of why he isn't the guy they are looking for.
yeah, that doesn't sound pleasant.


I've tried not to judge, but when I found out he went back to prison for either passing bad checks or dropping dirty urine from his previous parole.

Comment by Mondobubba on 10/01/2012 15:12:00
Quote by TriSec:
Quote by Mondobubba:



Why was the Big Dig? Just sayin...



We didn't have national headlines proclaiming "CARMAGEDDON!!!"



You don't live in the nation's largest media market.

Comment by Mondobubba on 10/01/2012 15:13:00
oh and that is CARMAGEDDON TWO!

Comment by Will in Chicago on 10/01/2012 15:13:24
Good morning, bloggers!

Raine, thanks for a great blog that raises a lot of questions about Romney. I think that Ann Romney's comment may be among the most damning of this campaign. The presidency is a job that prematurely ages people. The stress is that great and mental and physical health are considerations for the office.

As for myself, I am busy job hunting. I am finding some good non profit stuff in Chicago and will ask a friend when mid year teaching jobs will be posted for Massachusetts districts.

Mondo, congratulations on the new place. I have had neighbors and land lords I did not like. (I had one land lord who changed a huge potted plant in her kitchen sink and clogged up the drains for the entire building for a few days.)

Comment by Raine on 10/01/2012 15:14:57
http://obamadiary.files.wordpress.com/2012/10/barackobamaobamaholdscampaigneventlasts4zoop_ojyl.jpg


http://obamadiary.files.wordpress.com/2012/10/nv_lvrj.png


Comment by Raine on 10/01/2012 15:21:27
Quote by Will in Chicago:
Good morning, bloggers!

Raine, thanks for a great blog that raises a lot of questions about Romney. I think that Ann Romney's comment may be among the most damning of this campaign. The presidency is a job that prematurely ages people. The stress is that great and mental and physical health are considerations for the office.
I think it's incredibly damaging.

The other thing I noticed wrt to the debate preps is that it appears that the Romney campaign is preparing to debate an image of Obama that they think exists:
Strawman Obama.

That's nuts too.


Comment by Will in Chicago on 10/01/2012 15:25:10
Quote by Raine:
Quote by Will in Chicago:
Good morning, bloggers!

Raine, thanks for a great blog that raises a lot of questions about Romney. I think that Ann Romney's comment may be among the most damning of this campaign. The presidency is a job that prematurely ages people. The stress is that great and mental and physical health are considerations for the office.
I think it's incredibly damaging.

The other thing I noticed wrt to the debate preps is that it appears that the Romney campaign is preparing to debate an image of Obama that they think exists:
Strawman Obama.

That's nuts too.



Then I would hope that Obama can tear apart the strawman and Romney.




Comment by Mondobubba on 10/01/2012 15:49:12
Quote by Raine:
Quote by Will in Chicago:
Good morning, bloggers!

Raine, thanks for a great blog that raises a lot of questions about Romney. I think that Ann Romney's comment may be among the most damning of this campaign. The presidency is a job that prematurely ages people. The stress is that great and mental and physical health are considerations for the office.
I think it's incredibly damaging.

The other thing I noticed wrt to the debate preps is that it appears that the Romney campaign is preparing to debate an image of Obama that they think exists:
Strawman Obama.

That's nuts too.



The chattering class keeps going on about Romney's strong performance in the GOP debates. Let's review who he had to condent with there. Michelle Bachmann, Newt, Ron Paul, Rick Perry etc. :eyeroll:

Comment by TriSec on 10/01/2012 15:55:17
Romney was not a good debater way back in '94 when he took on Senator Kennedy. The unfortunate lightweight Dem we had in the '02 campaign made him look much better.

Mr. President will have no problems landing a knockout blow, methinks.

Comment by TriSec on 10/01/2012 15:58:01
And did you know, in 2002 Mitt declared that he wouldn't run against a sitting Republican for governor of this state? (Jane Swift- unfairly blamed for 9/11).

There's a smoke-filled room involved, but not 3 hours after she "decided" not to seek re-election, Mitt announced his candidacy. Didn't even wait for the body to cool off.



Comment by Raine on 10/01/2012 16:09:24
ooOOoo Wayne Powell is debating Eric Cantor tonite? I should check to see if this too shall be on the local TV. For some reason I thought it was the Oct. 6.

Comment by Raine on 10/01/2012 16:11:22
Quote by TriSec:
Romney was not a good debater way back in '94 when he took on Senator Kennedy. The unfortunate lightweight Dem we had in the '02 campaign made him look much better.

Mr. President will have no problems landing a knockout blow, methinks.
between this and what Mondo said about his GOP opponents, bolsters my thinking...

This guy is not ready for prime time.

I mean, seriously... *Zingers*? Are they total idiots?


Comment by Raine on 10/01/2012 16:12:45
Quote by TriSec:
And did you know, in 2002 Mitt declared that he wouldn't run against a sitting Republican for governor of this state? (Jane Swift- unfairly blamed for 9/11).

There's a smoke-filled room involved, but not 3 hours after she "decided" not to seek re-election, Mitt announced his candidacy. Didn't even wait for the body to cool off.

I remember hearing about that on the radio at the time. That was really amazing. Didn't she say she wasn't going to run because of her twins?


Comment by trojanrabbit on 10/01/2012 16:33:25
Quote by TriSec:
And did you know, in 2002 Mitt declared that he wouldn't run against a sitting Republican for governor of this state? (Jane Swift- unfairly blamed for 9/11).

There's a smoke-filled room involved, but not 3 hours after she "decided" not to seek re-election, Mitt announced his candidacy. Didn't even wait for the body to cool off.



Well, she was never elected (she carried the title Acting Governor), got in that position when Cellucci got appointed Ambassador to Canada.....another reason to hate Dubya.

Comment by TriSec on 10/01/2012 16:34:47
I don't like the Colts, but this is unfortunate and too close to home.

Get well, dude.



Comment by livingonli on 10/01/2012 16:35:05
Good day, folks. Not feeling in a great state of mind right now. I had a major f-up at work on Saturday and am not feeling good about it. I have to go in at 4:30 today and hope that I at least still have a job. With me having to find a new place, this is not a good time for this to happen.

Comment by Will in Chicago on 10/01/2012 16:42:45
Quote by livingonli:
Good day, folks. Not feeling in a great state of mind right now. I had a major f-up at work on Saturday and am not feeling good about it. I have to go in at 4:30 today and hope that I at least still have a job. With me having to find a new place, this is not a good time for this to happen.



I hope that everything will be well. Hang in there.

Comment by wickedpam on 10/01/2012 16:49:28
Quote by Will in Chicago:
Quote by livingonli:
Good day, folks. Not feeling in a great state of mind right now. I had a major f-up at work on Saturday and am not feeling good about it. I have to go in at 4:30 today and hope that I at least still have a job. With me having to find a new place, this is not a good time for this to happen.



I hope that everything will be well. Hang in there.


focus on the positive and hang in there. everyone has had a time when there was a major f-up at work, you're not in that boat alone.


Comment by Mondobubba on 10/01/2012 17:03:01
Quote by TriSec:
I don't like the Colts, but this is unfortunate and too close to home.

Get well, dude.




agreed.

Comment by Mondobubba on 10/01/2012 17:06:07
Did you all know that there are two types of zombie actors on "The Walking Dead?' There are your backround zombies and then there are "featured zombies." Featured zombies get more camera time and they are guaranteed to be killed on screen.

I learned this at dinner on Friday. It really pays to have friends who are uber-nerds. Who know people who are featured zombie players.

Comment by BobR on 10/01/2012 17:43:27
Quote by livingonli:
Good day, folks. Not feeling in a great state of mind right now. I had a major f-up at work on Saturday and am not feeling good about it. I have to go in at 4:30 today and hope that I at least still have a job. With me having to find a new place, this is not a good time for this to happen.

When you talk to them, focus on how rare it is for you to make mistakes, your experience, and how you've learned from this and will take the steps required to prevent it from happening again.

Comment by TriSec on 10/01/2012 17:44:41
Conference calls are tools of zombies.

At least this one is eating my brain.



Comment by Raine on 10/01/2012 17:50:32
Quote by BobR:
Quote by livingonli:
Good day, folks. Not feeling in a great state of mind right now. I had a major f-up at work on Saturday and am not feeling good about it. I have to go in at 4:30 today and hope that I at least still have a job. With me having to find a new place, this is not a good time for this to happen.

When you talk to them, focus on how rare it is for you to make mistakes, your experience, and how you've learned from this and will take the steps required to prevent it from happening again.


^^^ LIVIN' --- THIS ^^^


Comment by wickedpam on 10/01/2012 18:17:22
Quote by Raine:
Quote by BobR:
Quote by livingonli:
Good day, folks. Not feeling in a great state of mind right now. I had a major f-up at work on Saturday and am not feeling good about it. I have to go in at 4:30 today and hope that I at least still have a job. With me having to find a new place, this is not a good time for this to happen.

When you talk to them, focus on how rare it is for you to make mistakes, your experience, and how you've learned from this and will take the steps required to prevent it from happening again.


^^^ LIVIN' --- THIS ^^^



second that! ^^^

Comment by trojanrabbit on 10/01/2012 18:25:24
Don't know how much stock to put in this.

Comment by Raine on 10/01/2012 18:54:21
Quote by trojanrabbit:
Don't know how much stock to put in this.


hmmm... I read that and then I went to the first page. What they say about Current seems to be purly speculative and not based upon the criteria they used to make said prediction:
The major criteria are:

1.) Rapid fall-off in sales and steep losses.

2.) Disclosures by the parent of the brand that it might go out of business.

3.) Rapidly rising costs that are extremely unlikely to be recouped through higher prices.

4.) Companies that are sold.

5.) Companies that go into bankruptcy;

6.) Companies that have lost the great majority of their customers.

7.) Operations with rapidly withering market share.
Using Time Warner as an indicator does not seem to be a good criteria.




Comment by TriSec on 10/01/2012 18:58:00
That's actually an old story - I think I saw that circulating out there back in August. (Newsvine)



Comment by clintster on 10/01/2012 18:58:21
Oh... sweet Jesus!

According to one aide, much of Mr. Romney’s debate preparation has involved rehearsing a slew of prepackaged “zingers,” with mixed results: “We gave him what we thought was a foolproof line about the budget deficit and he somehow turned it into a crack about gay Mexicans.”



Comment by Raine on 10/01/2012 19:02:08
Quote by clintster:
Oh... sweet Jesus!

According to one aide, much of Mr. Romney’s debate preparation has involved rehearsing a slew of prepackaged “zingers,” with mixed results: “We gave him what we thought was a foolproof line about the budget deficit and he somehow turned it into a crack about gay Mexicans.”

You know what frightens me? Satire and Romney is like and electric surge to a robot.


Comment by Mondobubba on 10/01/2012 19:04:58
Dear America,

When you are calling the company that has designed and is currently hosting your website, please know your domain name.

Thanks.

Comment by Mondobubba on 10/01/2012 19:14:20
Quote by Raine:
Quote by trojanrabbit:
Don't know how much stock to put in this.


hmmm... I read that and then I went to the first page. What they say about Current seems to be purly speculative and not based upon the criteria they used to make said prediction:
The major criteria are:

1.) Rapid fall-off in sales and steep losses.

2.) Disclosures by the parent of the brand that it might go out of business.

3.) Rapidly rising costs that are extremely unlikely to be recouped through higher prices.

4.) Companies that are sold.

5.) Companies that go into bankruptcy;

6.) Companies that have lost the great majority of their customers.

7.) Operations with rapidly withering market share.
Using Time Warner as an indicator does not seem to be a good criteria.





They mentioned Salon.com, which has been circling the toilet bowl for about 12 years now.

Comment by TriSec on 10/01/2012 19:50:39
Comment by TriSec on 10/01/2012 19:55:32
Alright gang, I'm headed for the lovely Tsongas Arena on the grounds of UMass Lowell. There ought to be a racous and highly Democratic crowd in play this evening.



Comment by Scoopster on 10/01/2012 20:06:26
Quote by TriSec:
Oh, Mitt....

This tired line again? Maybe he thinks the stench of bullshit emanating from the WSJ editorial board will cover his own?

Comment by Mondobubba on 10/01/2012 20:22:53
Quote by TriSec:
Oh, Mitt....




I saw WSJ an my eyes glazed over. Exactly how is the mid-east in termoil? No one is rioting at the moment, right? We can pretty much turn off Iran's centrifuges at will, right? Move on, nothing to see here.

Comment by Raine on 10/01/2012 20:25:02
Quote by TriSec:
Alright gang, I'm headed for the lovely Tsongas Arena on the grounds of UMass Lowell. There ought to be a racous and highly Democratic crowd in play this evening.

We'll be looking out! tonite is also the Powell/Cantor debate. Fun night for the down tickets!


Comment by Raine on 10/01/2012 20:27:17
Quote by Mondobubba:
Quote by TriSec:
Oh, Mitt....




I saw WSJ an my eyes glazed over. Exactly how is the mid-east in termoil? No one is rioting at the moment, right? We can pretty much turn off Iran's centrifuges at will, right? Move on, nothing to see here.
let me translate for you Mondo:

"My advisors, mostly from the Bush administration, want me to Bomb the F*ck out of the middle east. I will do their bidding."


Comment by Raine on 10/01/2012 20:28:16
Quote by Scoopster:
Quote by TriSec:
Oh, Mitt....

This tired line again? Maybe he thinks the stench of bullshit emanating from the WSJ editorial board will cover his own?
*Ding*

Comment by Mondobubba on 10/01/2012 20:37:53
Quote by Raine:
Quote by Mondobubba:
Quote by TriSec:
Oh, Mitt....




I saw WSJ an my eyes glazed over. Exactly how is the mid-east in termoil? No one is rioting at the moment, right? We can pretty much turn off Iran's centrifuges at will, right? Move on, nothing to see here.
let me translate for you Mondo:

"My advisors, mostly from the Bush administration, want me to Bomb the F*ck out of the middle east. I will do their bidding."



You are helper! Thank you.

Comment by Raine on 10/01/2012 21:49:51
ok, so here is the deal... Once I get a clear feeling that Tri can post updates from the arena, I will start a new blog. I think we can combime both the Brown/Warren debate with the Cantor/Powell debate. What say thee?

Comment by Mondobubba on 10/01/2012 21:56:58
Quote by Raine:
ok, so here is the deal... Once I get a clear feeling that Tri can post updates from the arena, I will start a new blog. I think we can combime both the Brown/Warren debate with the Cantor/Powell debate. What say thee?



If there was a Connie Mack - Bill Nelson debate I would contribute. Since Nelson has a double digit lead of the digbat, Connie Mack. I don't think they are even trying a debate.

Comment by Raine on 10/01/2012 22:11:02
Quote by Mondobubba:
Quote by Raine:
ok, so here is the deal... Once I get a clear feeling that Tri can post updates from the arena, I will start a new blog. I think we can combime both the Brown/Warren debate with the Cantor/Powell debate. What say thee?



If there was a Connie Mack - Bill Nelson debate I would contribute. Since Nelson has a double digit lead of the digbat, Connie Mack. I don't think they are even trying a debate.
??

Splain?

Comment by trojanrabbit on 10/01/2012 23:01:52
And they go right to the Native American BS

Comment by Raine on 10/01/2012 23:04:55
Quote by trojanrabbit:
And they go right to the Native American BS
Ok -- YOU are in charge of Mass.

Here in Virginia we got some dude taking about Brazil.


Comment by trojanrabbit on 10/01/2012 23:05:27
Gregory asks Brown if he has proof that she got preferential treatment.

Comment by trojanrabbit on 10/01/2012 23:07:51
Gregory to Brown - Do you believe she isn't qualified for the position she has.

Brown.....of course she is....blah blah blah

Comment by Raine on 10/01/2012 23:07:57
SEVEN minutes in, Powell and Cantor are still waiting for chamber of commerce dude to STFU.

Comment by Raine on 10/01/2012 23:09:04
Quote by trojanrabbit:
Gregory asks Brown if he has proof that she got preferential treatment.
David has a bias. HE smells like a rove Dancer.


Comment by trojanrabbit on 10/01/2012 23:10:00
Gregory to Warren - does it bother you that Brown calls you Professor (is he needling you)

Warren - of course not

Comment by trojanrabbit on 10/01/2012 23:11:02
Quote by Raine:
Quote by trojanrabbit:
Gregory asks Brown if he has proof that she got preferential treatment.
David has a bias. HE smells like a rove Dancer.


This is joint sponsored by the Herald and UMass.

And yes, Gregory is an ass.

Comment by trojanrabbit on 10/01/2012 23:14:18
Warren - Brown has been representing banks and mortgage companies. Is there a list of clients?

Brown - Warren represented a steel company that denied workers their health benefits. And now the Travelers BS

Comment by BobR on 10/01/2012 23:14:34
7:13 and they're just now doing opening remarks for the Cantor/Powell debate.

Comment by Raine on 10/01/2012 23:16:58
Powell is not coming out as strong as I;d hoped.

Comment by Raine on 10/01/2012 23:18:04
Cantor: I would support the Bush tax cuts -- and EVERYTHING that Romeny says.



Comment by trojanrabbit on 10/01/2012 23:18:44
Gregory to Brown - Do you think attorneys agree with every position of their clients.

Brown - The attorney doesn't have to take the position

Warren - I have been working for asbestos victims for years including going to SCROTUS to make sure vicitims are compensated. The victims say Brown is wrong. It was not a mistake to take these clients and I'd do it again.

Comment by trojanrabbit on 10/01/2012 23:19:37
Brown - Travelers wouldn't pay her $250K to be a hired hand for the victims

Comment by BobR on 10/01/2012 23:20:10
Powell has already lost the staging competition. When Cantor is on camera, the American flag is over his shoulder - for Powell there's a bright white backdrop that's visually harsh.

Comment by trojanrabbit on 10/01/2012 23:20:29
Brown - I'm a uniion member. I'm the only one fighting for union members

Comment by trojanrabbit on 10/01/2012 23:23:41
Gregory to Brown - Would you be a reliable ally of Romney.

Brown - I'm an "independent voice....blah blah blah."

(note to scottso - if being the most bipartisan means you vote in lockstep only 99% if the time, what does that mean?)

Comment by trojanrabbit on 10/01/2012 23:24:06
Gregory to Brown - Why are you distancing yourself from Romney.

Comment by Raine on 10/01/2012 23:24:36
Eric Cantor is just PLAIN lying.


Comment by Raine on 10/01/2012 23:26:55
Quote by trojanrabbit:
Brown - I'm a uniion member. I'm the only one fighting for union members
REALLY?


Comment by trojanrabbit on 10/01/2012 23:28:03
Quote by Raine:
Quote by trojanrabbit:
Brown - I'm a uniion member. I'm the only one fighting for union members
REALLY?

That's what he said. Of course he wasn't asked what union he belongs to.

Comment by trojanrabbit on 10/01/2012 23:29:04
Gregory to Warren - Are there any Republican Senators you can work with?

Warren - Depends on the situation - Fannie & Freddie - of course

Comment by Raine on 10/01/2012 23:29:13
WTF is Sub chapter s LLC.??

Comment by BobR on 10/01/2012 23:29:35
Cantor just said "if American-based multi-nationals do better overseas, they'll create jobs here"

Translation: Outsourcing jobs overseas creates more American jobs



Comment by trojanrabbit on 10/01/2012 23:30:13
Excuse my misspellings, having a problem shifting focus from the TV to the laptop. Eyes are really tired today.

Comment by trojanrabbit on 10/01/2012 23:31:20
Warren - I will work with anyone, Democrat, Republican, Independent, Libertarian, Vegetarian.

Comment by trojanrabbit on 10/01/2012 23:34:43
Gregory to Brown - Will you vote for McConnell for Senate Leader (majority or minority).

Scottso won't answer the question. He has a history of working across the aisle.

Scott's an in...de...pen....dent. He said he told off McConnell and said he'd have to go a long way to secure his vote (to which rabbit says HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA) He will vote how he wants.

Comment by trojanrabbit on 10/01/2012 23:38:03
Warren - Scott says he's bipartisan here, but not when he goes around the country fundraising. (crowd erupts in applause). He tells others that if re-elected and R's take over the Senate he can block Obama's agenda.

Gregory - Do you believe Brown's goal is to block Obama's agenda?

Warren - On economic matters, of course (more applause). Brown stood in lockstep to vote against numerous jobs bills.

Comment by trojanrabbit on 10/01/2012 23:41:32
Brown to Warren - I'm not a student in your classroom, please let me respond.

(sidenote - Gregory said in the beginning no holds barred)
We obviously need a real moderator here.

Comment by Mondobubba on 10/01/2012 23:41:48
I could be watching the Cantor-Powell debate on the CSPAN but, I don't want to strain my throat yelling at the teevee. Jeopardy is also on.

Comment by trojanrabbit on 10/01/2012 23:42:43
Brown with the BS that the jobs bills were voted down by Democrats (cowardly Blow Dogs) as well.

Comment by trojanrabbit on 10/01/2012 23:43:20
Brown - My mom was on welfare.

Comment by Raine on 10/01/2012 23:44:59
Quote by BobR:
Cantor just said "if American-based multi-nationals do better overseas, they'll create jobs here"

Translation: Outsourcing jobs overseas creates more American jobs

Do you hear that AMERICA!!!???!!


Comment by trojanrabbit on 10/01/2012 23:45:26
Now for the fiscal cliff

to Brown - why isn't Bowles Simpson going anywhere.

Brown - ask Harry Reid

Comment by trojanrabbit on 10/01/2012 23:47:24
Brown - I'll keep an open mind. we haven't had a budget in 4 years.

Healthcare bill raises 18 new taxes, I'm not going to raise taxes on any American.

brings up some BS right wing think tank

Comment by trojanrabbit on 10/01/2012 23:49:11
Brown ----- truly bi-partisan manner


DRINK



Comment by trojanrabbit on 10/01/2012 23:49:52
Warren - Brown signed the Grover Norquist pledge.

HAHAHAHAHA

Brown voted to keep oil subsidies and for the Bush tax cuts everyone would be held hostage unless the 2% could keep their cuts too.

Comment by Raine on 10/01/2012 23:50:15
Quote by trojanrabbit:
Now for the fiscal cliff

to Brown - why isn't Bowles Simpson going anywhere.

Brown - ask Harry Reid
OH!! here in our debate,According to Cantor: it was Obama's fault!


Comment by Raine on 10/01/2012 23:51:27
Quote by trojanrabbit:
Warren - Brown signed the Grover Norquist pledge.

HAHAHAHAHA

AWESOME.

Comment by trojanrabbit on 10/01/2012 23:57:54
Way behind here, rewinding TiVo to make sure what I hear. Now it's time for UMass students to ask questions.

Comment by trojanrabbit on 10/02/2012 00:02:12
Student to Warren - if you're elected what will you do to help students find jobs?

Short term - we need Obama's jobs bill to be passed to get money circulating
Long term - we have to invest in the future, education roads bridges power research

(rabbit adds - you know, soshulizum)

Warren - you are lucky you are in MA, we are on cutting edge....

Comment by trojanrabbit on 10/02/2012 00:07:09
Brown to student - we have a lack of regulatory and tax certainty

(rabbit adds - just keep those bush tax cuts a little longer and things will SURELY get better)

people are scared to hire because of tax policy (rabbit - NO YOU FUCKER, it's because THERE"S NO FUCKING DEMAND BECAUSE NO ONE HAS ANY SPENDABLE INCOME)

oh US Chamber of Commerce..........DRINK!!!!!

Warren is a job destroyer

16T deficit (that bush made)

Comment by trojanrabbit on 10/02/2012 00:07:43
Gregory did NOT ALLOW Warren to rebut Brown's BS

Comment by trojanrabbit on 10/02/2012 00:13:01
Now a question about immigration.

student is from Dominican and just became US Citizen (good for him )

Question to candidates - do you support DREAM act.

Gregory to Brown - You called the DREAM act a form of amnesty so I suppose you don't support the DREAM act

Brown - in favor of full legal immigration. I don't support DREAM act it is back - door amnesty. Warren in favor of giving illegals drivers licenses. Increase HB1B quotas (rabbit adds - so we can get cheap labor to lower wages for engineers etc)

Comment by trojanrabbit on 10/02/2012 00:14:00
Warren - I support DREAM act.

need immigration reform. visa reform.

Comment by trojanrabbit on 10/02/2012 00:17:24
Gregory to Warren = what is acceptable conclusion to Afghanistan.

Warren - get out of Afghanistan as quickly as feasible. We cant stay and rebuild afghanistan forever. All 3 of my brothers served in military. We owe them an obligation to get them out of harms way.

Brown - I'm a colonel in National Guard for 32 years.....etc. Support surge and timetable. supports commander in chief

Comment by trojanrabbit on 10/02/2012 00:19:41
Question - who's your model supreme court justice

Brown - Scalia Kennedy. Roberts. Sotomayer (sure Scottso)

Gregory - Scalia & Sotomayer ?
Brown - That's the beauty of being independent

Warren - Kagan

Comment by trojanrabbit on 10/02/2012 00:21:56
Gregory to Warren - Why has MA never elected a female Senator or Governor (remember Swift was never elected, she was Lt. Governor under Cellucci)

Warren - I don't know. Right now I'm trying to do something about that.


to Brown - do you think Kerry would be a good Sec of State
Brown - yes he's a great leader.

Comment by trojanrabbit on 10/02/2012 00:24:45
What do you admire about your opponent?

Warren - he has a lovely family, (scott waves), he did good on DADT.

Brown - she's hard working accomplished professor, a very hard working family. she's such a good professor i'll do everything i can to keep her in that position. (that's a good one)


Does Valentine deserve another year?

Warren - Give him another year
Brown - Leave it up to management.....I won't commit

Comment by trojanrabbit on 10/02/2012 00:28:45
Brown - i'm 50% with my party, 50% with the other party


BULLSHIT!!!!!!!

Warren - I'm in this for america's working families. Too often Brown stands with the millionaires and billionaires. He's not there for women who need birth control covered by insurance. He's not there for seniors.

And with that, my TiVo is at its 30 minute behind limit.

And from CH7 idiot....let's go see what the reaction is to the debate......oh im sorry you'll have to tune in at 11 to find out. (because it's time for NBC's reality drek The Voice)

ASSHOLE.

Comment by trojanrabbit on 10/02/2012 00:30:34
Hope everyone could follow

Comment by BobR on 10/02/2012 00:51:31
We decided to watch the Nebraska senate debate. Oof. Bob Kerry is more conservative than most Blue Dog democrats. Nearly the only advantage with him winning is that we keep control of the Senate.

Comment by Will in Chicago on 10/02/2012 00:52:49
Trojanrabbit and Rain, thanks!

Comment by Will in Chicago on 10/02/2012 00:55:51
Quote by BobR:
We decided to watch the Nebraska senate debate. Oof. Bob Kerry is more conservative than most Blue Dog democrats. Nearly the only advantage with him winning is that we keep control of the Senate.



I am in a situation where Joe Donnelly in Indiana is ahead of the Republican who ousted Lugar in the primary. He is a Blue Dog, but I will find time to volunteer.


Comment by TriSec on 10/02/2012 01:48:01
Evening, folks. A fine time was had by all.

I don't know how it came across on TV, but my feeling in the arena was that unfortunately, Brown won.

However....this was because of the "Replacement Moderator" that we had. I believe we were 15 minutes into the "debate" before Mr. Gregory even acknowledged that Ms. Warren was sitting in front of him.

I was listening to my right-wing friends on the way home (Dan Rea's Nightside, WBZ) and even they agreed; I think the highest mark he got was a D-.



Comment by Raine on 10/02/2012 02:05:35
Gregory has once again proven himself to be a tool.

As far as the Powell.Cantor debate, I think I know why cantor wins elections -- he is slick and he's a snake.

And he is a liar.

Comment by Raine on 10/02/2012 02:09:42
Comment by wickedpam on 10/02/2012 02:23:45
anyone heard from Liv?

Comment by Mondobubba on 10/02/2012 02:24:36
Why are you watching "Half The Sky" on PBS. put the politics to bed and watch!

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