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Gunning for Perspective
Author: Raine    Date: 12/03/2012 14:50:13

During last night's Sunday Night Football Halftime show, Bob Costas spoke of the horrific events that happened in Kansas city.
Well, you knew it was coming. In the aftermath of the nearly unfathomable events in Kansas City, that most mindless of sports clichés was heard yet again: Something like this really puts it all in perspective. Well, if so, that sort of perspective has a very short shelf-life since we will inevitably hear about the perspective we have supposedly again regained the next time ugly reality intrudes upon our games. Please, those who need tragedies to continually recalibrate their sense of proportion about sports would seem to have little hope of ever truly achieving perspective. You want some actual perspective on this? Well, a bit of it comes from the Kansas City-based writer Jason Whitlock with whom I do not always agree, but who today said it so well that we may as well just quote or paraphrase from the end of his article.

"Our current gun culture,"Whitlock wrote, "ensures that more and more domestic disputes will end in the ultimate tragedy and that more convenience-store confrontations over loud music coming from a car will leave more teenage boys bloodied and dead."

"Handguns do not enhance our safety. They exacerbate our flaws, tempt us to escalate arguments, and bait us into embracing confrontation rather than avoiding it. In the coming days, Jovan Belcher’s actions, and their possible connection to football will be analyzed. Who knows?"

"But here," wrote Jason Whitlock," is what I believe. If Jovan Belcher didn’t possess a gun, he and Kasandra Perkins would both be alive today."
This is the article Costa referenced, written by Jason Whitlock.
I would argue that your rationalizations speak to how numb we are in this society to gun violence and murder. We’ve come to accept our insanity. We’d prefer to avoid seriously reflecting upon the absurdity of the prevailing notion that the second amendment somehow enhances our liberty rather than threatens it.

How many young people have to die senselessly? How many lives have to be ruined before we realize the right to bear arms doesn’t protect us from a government equipped with stealth bombers, predator drones, tanks and nuclear weapons?

Our current gun culture simply ensures that more and more domestic disputes will end in the ultimate tragedy, and that more convenience-store confrontations over loud music coming from a car will leave more teenage boys bloodied and dead.


Nobody knows if Jovan Belcher would still be alive had he not had possession of a firearm. At the very least -- I wish we could talk about the gun culture in this country. I'm fairly sure I am not alone is this desire. Ask the victims of Jared Loughner. Ask the victims of the Aurora shooting. Ask the victims of the Virginia Tech Massacre. Ask Trayvon Martin's family. Ask Jordon Davis' family. Ask the many families who have been witness to PTSD related suicides. Ask the mother of Jovan Belcher and then ask her to speak on behalf of her orphaned granddaughter.

Not all handguns owners kill. Most do not. Not all are psychologically impaired. Not all are vigilantes. Some are liberal; some are conservative. they are black & white; male and female. I believe that is of little comfort to victims of gun murders.

"We’ve come to accept our insanity." Indeed we have.

We shouldn't have to. It is time for responsible gun owners in this nation to allow for this discussion. This isn't about self-defense - it is about responsibility. Such responsibility isn't solely personal: it's also communal. It is about being rational enough to say that, perhaps, some people should not have guns. The Second Amendments fails when innocent people die. It fails when people take the law into their own hands. It fails when people who are clearly sick find themselves in the company of a gun. It fails when people purchase a gun illegally. It fails when owning an object is more important than the lives it takes. The second amendment is the only amendment that talks about an object as right -- and that object has become fetishized in our nation. To reasonable gun owners I say: No one wants to take away YOUR gun. Gun owners need to figure out how ensure those among them that should not have a firearm do not get access to one.

The right to own a gun fails when people who don't know how to respect a gun kill innocents. Until every responsible gun owner in America is willing to accept this and discuss our violent gun culture -- more innocent people will die.

Gun deaths are 100% preventable. They may not be 100% avoidable. That should, In my opinion, be the discussion. Until we can discuss how to avoid gun deaths we will have -- once again -- learned nothing.

Albert Einstein is attributed to having said: “The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results"

Something is broken here, and it is time to at least discuss ways to fix it. This isn't about personal liberty - it is about how we care and nurture our society. "Handguns do not enhance our safety. They exacerbate our flaws, tempt us to escalate arguments, and bait us into embracing confrontation rather than avoiding it.'

Albert Camus wrote in his book Resistance Rebellion and Death:
There are means that cannot be excused. And I should like to be able to love my country and still love justice. I don't want just any greatness for it, particularly a greatness born of blood and falsehood. I want to keep it alive by keeping justice alive.


and
Raine

Update: 12/14/12: Ask the victims of Sandy Hook Elementary School in Newtown, Connecticut.

Until we have a real discussion about mental health and radicalism in this nation, we will see more murders. Responsible gun owners need to be a part of solving this epidemic in the United States.
 

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Comment by wickedpam on 12/03/2012 14:13:06
Morning

Comment by Mondobubba on 12/03/2012 14:16:19
Hola. Wow was the much ballyhooed company holiday party was shite. :kick:

Comment by wickedpam on 12/03/2012 14:17:36
Quote by Mondobubba:
Hola. Wow was the much ballyhooed company holiday party was shite. :kick:


at least you get one - we get bubkiss


Comment by TriSec on 12/03/2012 14:20:07
Well howdy folks.

Still aglow from yesterday (Yes, a retail workday!) I was totally on my "A"-game yesterday. Sold a ton of high-end stuff.

And Saturday, I saw my old Scoutmaster at the store....he's 72 and still looking good!


Comment by TriSec on 12/03/2012 14:25:36
So, it's been 15 days since my last treatment. (Alas, back again Wednesday.)

I did a bad thing last night (which I won't divulge), but I was standing outside for a while.

It was 45 degrees here last night, I was out with only my mocassins for footwear and a lightweightt wool layering piece.

I felt like me again - I wasn't cold, my hands didn't trigger, and I just enjoyed watching the night for a few minutes.

There is hope that maybe I'll make a swift recovery once this freakin' thing is all over. (January 4!)


Comment by Mondobubba on 12/03/2012 14:52:57
Quote by TriSec:
So, it's been 15 days since my last treatment. (Alas, back again Wednesday.)

I did a bad thing last night (which I won't divulge), but I was standing outside for a while.

It was 45 degrees here last night, I was out with only my mocassins for footwear and a lightweightt wool layering piece.

I felt like me again - I wasn't cold, my hands didn't trigger, and I just enjoyed watching the night for a few minutes.

There is hope that maybe I'll make a swift recovery once this freakin' thing is all over. (January 4!)



This is very Martha Stewart (a good thing)!

Comment by Mondobubba on 12/03/2012 14:53:37
Quote by wickedpam:
Quote by Mondobubba:
Hola. Wow was the much ballyhooed company holiday party was shite. :kick:


at least you get one - we get bubkiss



I'd rather not have one that have a shitty one.

Comment by trojanrabbit on 12/03/2012 14:57:55
Back to work today. Already making bunch of stupid mistakes - oh well. I'm sure that will subside as I get more and more into the swing of things.

Comment by wickedpam on 12/03/2012 15:01:50
Quote by Mondobubba:
Quote by wickedpam:
Quote by Mondobubba:
Hola. Wow was the much ballyhooed company holiday party was shite. :kick:


at least you get one - we get bubkiss



I'd rather not have one that have a shitty one.


heck I'd be happy with a potluck, but the manager who used to head that up is gone so now all we have is me decorating the tree.



Comment by Raine on 12/03/2012 15:11:00
Blog is posted.

Comment by TriSec on 12/03/2012 15:11:58
I rarely speak of him, but a friend of mine was murdered nearly 25 years ago now.

Curiously, I also knew the perpetrator....I'd agree with Mrs. Hotchkiss' statements about him on the website referenced.

Guns create more problems than they solve.



Comment by Raine on 12/03/2012 15:12:03
Quote by trojanrabbit:
Back to work today. Already making bunch of stupid mistakes - oh well. I'm sure that will subside as I get more and more into the swing of things.





Comment by Raine on 12/03/2012 15:12:39
Quote by TriSec:
I rarely speak of him, but a friend of mine was murdered nearly 25 years ago now.

Curiously, I also knew the perpetrator....I'd agree with Mrs. Hotchkiss' statements on the website referenced.

Guns create more problems than they solve.

Please read what I wrote this morning, it was just posted.


Comment by TriSec on 12/03/2012 15:16:21
I did...that's actually why I remembered Brian today.

Very curious - I haven't thought about him in quite some time, but even now just remembering, it's still a raw wound. Probably always will be.




Comment by wickedpam on 12/03/2012 15:26:17
I still think there needs to be some really strict laws on gun owner ship, fail safes if you would. Maybe it needs to start at state levels

The Second Amendment says you have a right to bear arms, however, you have to be a safe gun owner. After all this is a powerful weapon who's soul purpose is to take life from another living being.

1) you must register your gun
2) you must pass gun owner ship classes
3) you must yearly pass a safety test to renew your gun permit

that's just to start

Comment by Mondobubba on 12/03/2012 15:33:25
Quote by wickedpam:
I still think there needs to be some really strict laws on gun owner ship, fail safes if you would. Maybe it needs to start at state levels

The Second Amendment says you have a right to bear arms, however, you have to be a safe gun owner. After all this is a powerful weapon who's soul purpose is to take life from another living being.

1) you must register your gun
2) you must pass gun owner ship classes
3) you must yearly pass a safety test to renew your gun permit

that's just to start


You would think that something this, that is just common sense wouldn't be controversial.


Comment by Raine on 12/03/2012 15:34:09
Quote by wickedpam:
I still think there needs to be some really strict laws on gun owner ship, fail safes if you would. Maybe it needs to start at state levels

The Second Amendment says you have a right to bear arms, however, you have to be a safe gun owner. After all this is a powerful weapon who's soul purpose is to take life from another living being.

1) you must register your gun
2) you must pass gun owner ship classes
3) you must yearly pass a safety test to renew your gun permit

that's just to start
I agree, but I don;t see how we can even discuss those possibilities when you seethe outrage that happens when a person like Bob Costas says something like he did last night. Take a look, and you will see what I mean.




Comment by Mondobubba on 12/03/2012 15:37:36
As most of you know, I am in possession of my brother's guns. I am helping him liquidate the arsenal. Here in Florida, person to person gun sales are perfectly fine. The parties involved just agree on a price and I get paid. There no backround check needed, these sales aren't registered. I find this to be ridiculous.

Comment by Raine on 12/03/2012 15:39:36
Quote by TriSec:
I rarely speak of him, but a friend of mine was murdered nearly 25 years ago now.

Curiously, I also knew the perpetrator....I'd agree with Mrs. Hotchkiss' statements about him on the website referenced.

Guns create more problems than they solve.

I'm sorry about your friend, Tri. I just read this and his mother is inspirational.


Comment by Mondobubba on 12/03/2012 15:41:01
Quote by Raine:
Quote by wickedpam:
I still think there needs to be some really strict laws on gun owner ship, fail safes if you would. Maybe it needs to start at state levels

The Second Amendment says you have a right to bear arms, however, you have to be a safe gun owner. After all this is a powerful weapon who's soul purpose is to take life from another living being.

1) you must register your gun
2) you must pass gun owner ship classes
3) you must yearly pass a safety test to renew your gun permit

that's just to start
I agree, but I don;t see how we can even discuss those possibilities when you seethe outrage that happens when a person like Bob Costas says something like he did last night. Take a look, and you will see what I mean.




I blame Wayne LaPierre at the NRA for the current climate on gun control. He is a 2nd Amendment fanatic. Anytime somebody somewhere makes the mildest comment on on gun control he sends out hysterical blast emails to every NRA member and they collectively freak out about how their gun rights are being damaged.


Comment by Raine on 12/03/2012 15:41:39
Quote by Mondobubba:
As most of you know, I am in possession of my brother's guns. I am helping him liquidate the arsenal. Here in Florida, person to person gun sales are perfectly fine. The parties involved just agree on a price and I get paid. There no backround check needed, these sales aren't registered. I find this to be ridiculous.
It's insane.

Some people should not be in possession of guns. Period. Until Second Amendment lovers can admit that this is true, they tarnish that amendment. I fully believe this.


Comment by wickedpam on 12/03/2012 15:42:07
Quote by Raine:
Quote by wickedpam:
I still think there needs to be some really strict laws on gun owner ship, fail safes if you would. Maybe it needs to start at state levels

The Second Amendment says you have a right to bear arms, however, you have to be a safe gun owner. After all this is a powerful weapon who's soul purpose is to take life from another living being.

1) you must register your gun
2) you must pass gun owner ship classes
3) you must yearly pass a safety test to renew your gun permit

that's just to start
I agree, but I don;t see how we can even discuss those possibilities when you seethe outrage that happens when a person like Bob Costas says something like he did last night. Take a look, and you will see what I mean.




I love the gun vs knife as a weapon analogy


Comment by wickedpam on 12/03/2012 15:42:58
Quote by Raine:
Quote by Mondobubba:
As most of you know, I am in possession of my brother's guns. I am helping him liquidate the arsenal. Here in Florida, person to person gun sales are perfectly fine. The parties involved just agree on a price and I get paid. There no backround check needed, these sales aren't registered. I find this to be ridiculous.
It's insane.

Some people should not be in possession of guns. Period. Until Second Amendment lovers can admit that this is true, they tarnish that amendment. I fully believe this.



I'm sure ya'll are aware of the VA gun show laws - its a person to person no background check too - its craziness.

Comment by TriSec on 12/03/2012 15:45:48
Is it too early for lunch? (munch bite eat chew)

One of my more curious side effects...I have the munchies nearly all the time.

And I haven't even had any "medicine" for anything.



Comment by TriSec on 12/03/2012 15:49:03
I've long held the opinion that the Founding Fathers weren't infallible....it is entirely possible that they got the Second Ammendment wrong.

NRA always recognizes the "Right to bear arms shall not be infringed" bit, but always overlooks the "part of a well-regulated militia" part.

My read is that private citizens shouldn't actually own guns unless they are part of a militia - it's the "Minuteman Model". Citizen-soldiers are in the community, ready to go for whatever need.

When we got away from that model sometime after the Civil War, the National Guard and the Regular Army sort of negated the militia requirement for the 2nd ammendment.

In short...you want to own a gun, at least join the National Guard and play by the rules.

Comment by Mondobubba on 12/03/2012 15:53:48
Quote by wickedpam:
Quote by Raine:
Quote by Mondobubba:
As most of you know, I am in possession of my brother's guns. I am helping him liquidate the arsenal. Here in Florida, person to person gun sales are perfectly fine. The parties involved just agree on a price and I get paid. There no backround check needed, these sales aren't registered. I find this to be ridiculous.
It's insane.

Some people should not be in possession of guns. Period. Until Second Amendment lovers can admit that this is true, they tarnish that amendment. I fully believe this.



I'm sure ya'll are aware of the VA gun show laws - its a person to person no background check too - its craziness.


That is to so called "gun show loophole" it isn't just in VA. It is everywhere.

Comment by Mondobubba on 12/03/2012 15:54:53
Quote by Raine:
Quote by Mondobubba:
As most of you know, I am in possession of my brother's guns. I am helping him liquidate the arsenal. Here in Florida, person to person gun sales are perfectly fine. The parties involved just agree on a price and I get paid. There no backround check needed, these sales aren't registered. I find this to be ridiculous.
It's insane.

Some people should not be in possession of guns. Period. Until Second Amendment lovers can admit that this is true, they tarnish that amendment. I fully believe this.




Comment by BobR on 12/03/2012 15:56:25
Quote by wickedpam:
Quote by Raine:
Quote by Mondobubba:
As most of you know, I am in possession of my brother's guns. I am helping him liquidate the arsenal. Here in Florida, person to person gun sales are perfectly fine. The parties involved just agree on a price and I get paid. There no backround check needed, these sales aren't registered. I find this to be ridiculous.
It's insane.

Some people should not be in possession of guns. Period. Until Second Amendment lovers can admit that this is true, they tarnish that amendment. I fully believe this.

I'm sure ya'll are aware of the VA gun show laws - its a person to person no background check too - its craziness.

I've said it before - the 2nd Amendment guarantees the right to "own" a gun, not necessarily buy or sell a gun.

Comment by Mondobubba on 12/03/2012 16:01:44
Why I thought the company party was shit:

1. Crowded. Really, really crowded.
2. Stuffy, see number 1 as to why.
3. Soft drinks and bottled water were part of the cash bar. So if you chose to be responsible, you were still on the hook for $4 for each bottled water of softdrink.
4. No comprehensive seating plan. If you didn't get there at 7 on the dot you got a shitty table.
5. Bad food. Pork is not suppose to be grainy or gritty. The pork roularde entered my mouth and left it just as fast. Romaine lettuce drowning in salad dressing with a couple of croutons is not Caesar salad. I didn't even try to beef of fish. speaking of the three proteins, there was no viable vegetarian option.

I left after about 20 minutes.

Comment by wickedpam on 12/03/2012 16:07:27
Quote by Mondobubba:
Why I thought the company party was shit:

1. Crowded. Really, really crowded.
2. Stuffy, see number 1 as to why.
3. Soft drinks and bottled water were part of the cash bar. So if you chose to be responsible, you were still on the hook for $4 for each bottled water of softdrink.
4. No comprehensive seating plan. If you didn't get there at 7 on the dot you got a shitty table.
5. Bad food. Pork is not suppose to be grainy or gritty. The pork roularde entered my mouth and left it just as fast. Romaine lettuce drowning in salad dressing with a couple of croutons is not Caesar salad. I didn't even try to beef of fish. speaking of the three proteins, there was no viable vegetarian option.

I left after about 20 minutes.


they need a new event planner


Comment by Will in Chicago on 12/03/2012 16:13:19
Raine, thanks for a great blog.


Quote by TriSec:
I've long held the opinion that the Founding Fathers weren't infallible....it is entirely possible that they got the Second Ammendment wrong.

NRA always recognizes the "Right to bear arms shall not be infringed" bit, but always overlooks the "part of a well-regulated militia" part.

My read is that private citizens shouldn't actually own guns unless they are part of a militia - it's the "Minuteman Model". Citizen-soldiers are in the community, ready to go for whatever need.

When we got away from that model sometime after the Civil War, the National Guard and the Regular Army sort of negated the militia requirement for the 2nd ammendment.

In short...you want to own a gun, at least join the National Guard and play by the rules.


I think that the Founders wanted citizens to be part of state militias. We need to have serious talk about guns in our society. An irrational person should not have easy access to firearms. Sadly, this song is still timely.




Comment by Raine on 12/03/2012 16:19:15
Quote by Will in Chicago:
Raine, thanks for a great blog.


Quote by TriSec:
I've long held the opinion that the Founding Fathers weren't infallible....it is entirely possible that they got the Second Ammendment wrong.

NRA always recognizes the "Right to bear arms shall not be infringed" bit, but always overlooks the "part of a well-regulated militia" part.

My read is that private citizens shouldn't actually own guns unless they are part of a militia - it's the "Minuteman Model". Citizen-soldiers are in the community, ready to go for whatever need.

When we got away from that model sometime after the Civil War, the National Guard and the Regular Army sort of negated the militia requirement for the 2nd ammendment.

In short...you want to own a gun, at least join the National Guard and play by the rules.


I think that the Founders wanted citizens to be part of state militias. We need to have serious talk about guns in our society. An irrational person should not have easy access to firearms. Sadly, this song is still timely.




That was great.


Comment by Raine on 12/03/2012 16:25:24
Quote by Mondobubba:

I blame Wayne LaPierre at the NRA for the current climate on gun control. He is a 2nd Amendment fanatic. Anytime somebody somewhere makes the mildest comment on on gun control he sends out hysterical blast emails to every NRA member and they collectively freak out about how their gun rights are being damaged.
I am so tired of the one bad apple defense.

I'm also tired of the * there lot's of ways people die in America, leaveour guns alone"

These types of Statements are red herrings designed to stop a discussion that is sorely needed in America: GUN DEATHS.

It's a SPECIFIC WAY of killing that I want to see stopped, or at least reduced. Mass Stabbing isn't a problem in this nation.




Comment by Mondobubba on 12/03/2012 16:26:26
Quote by wickedpam:
Quote by Mondobubba:
Why I thought the company party was shit:

1. Crowded. Really, really crowded.
2. Stuffy, see number 1 as to why.
3. Soft drinks and bottled water were part of the cash bar. So if you chose to be responsible, you were still on the hook for $4 for each bottled water of softdrink.
4. No comprehensive seating plan. If you didn't get there at 7 on the dot you got a shitty table.
5. Bad food. Pork is not suppose to be grainy or gritty. The pork roularde entered my mouth and left it just as fast. Romaine lettuce drowning in salad dressing with a couple of croutons is not Caesar salad. I didn't even try to beef of fish. speaking of the three proteins, there was no viable vegetarian option.

I left after about 20 minutes.


they need a new event planner


Yes they do. Few door prizes and more money on food and beverage. I think that they have the planning for this thing cruise control and haven't given any thought to changing it for years.


Comment by Mondobubba on 12/03/2012 16:29:48
Quote by Raine:
Quote by Mondobubba:

I blame Wayne LaPierre at the NRA for the current climate on gun control. He is a 2nd Amendment fanatic. Anytime somebody somewhere makes the mildest comment on on gun control he sends out hysterical blast emails to every NRA member and they collectively freak out about how their gun rights are being damaged.
I am so tired of the one bad apple defense.

I'm also tired of the * there lot's of ways people die in America, leaveour guns alone"

These types of Statements are red herrings designed to stop a discussion that is sorely needed in America: GUN DEATHS.

It's a SPECIFIC WAY of killing that I want to see stopped, or at least reduced. Mass Stabbing isn't a problem in this nation.





I know, right. When was the last time you about stabbing rampage. Or strangling rampage or a you get the idea.

Comment by wickedpam on 12/03/2012 16:31:36
Quote by Mondobubba:
Quote by wickedpam:
Quote by Mondobubba:
Why I thought the company party was shit:

1. Crowded. Really, really crowded.
2. Stuffy, see number 1 as to why.
3. Soft drinks and bottled water were part of the cash bar. So if you chose to be responsible, you were still on the hook for $4 for each bottled water of softdrink.
4. No comprehensive seating plan. If you didn't get there at 7 on the dot you got a shitty table.
5. Bad food. Pork is not suppose to be grainy or gritty. The pork roularde entered my mouth and left it just as fast. Romaine lettuce drowning in salad dressing with a couple of croutons is not Caesar salad. I didn't even try to beef of fish. speaking of the three proteins, there was no viable vegetarian option.

I left after about 20 minutes.


they need a new event planner


Yes they do. Few door prizes and more money on food and beverage. I think that they have the planning for this thing cruise control and haven't given any thought to changing it for years.


wonder what kind of budget they have? I threw together a front office/warehouse/driver appreciation BBQ for about 2K (served about 100) and it came off quiet nice I think. the guys loved it and we had food to spare, they had lunch with it the next day.

Try to get our office to do more event stuff, I want to keep trying my hand at it


Comment by TriSec on 12/03/2012 16:31:46
Heh, some days at the store I could be tempted by a strangling rampage.



Comment by wickedpam on 12/03/2012 16:33:06
Quote by Mondobubba:
Quote by Raine:
Quote by Mondobubba:

I blame Wayne LaPierre at the NRA for the current climate on gun control. He is a 2nd Amendment fanatic. Anytime somebody somewhere makes the mildest comment on on gun control he sends out hysterical blast emails to every NRA member and they collectively freak out about how their gun rights are being damaged.
I am so tired of the one bad apple defense.

I'm also tired of the * there lot's of ways people die in America, leaveour guns alone"

These types of Statements are red herrings designed to stop a discussion that is sorely needed in America: GUN DEATHS.

It's a SPECIFIC WAY of killing that I want to see stopped, or at least reduced. Mass Stabbing isn't a problem in this nation.





I know, right. When was the last time you about stabbing rampage. Or strangling rampage or a you get the idea.



exactly - killing up close and personal, people give it a thought or 5, with a gun its instant and at a distance

Comment by Raine on 12/03/2012 16:34:18
Quote by TriSec:
Heh, some days at the store I could be tempted by a strangling rampage.






Comment by Mondobubba on 12/03/2012 16:42:10
Quote by TriSec:
Heh, some days at the store I could be tempted by a strangling rampage.




I want to choke people on a daily basis. I would need to develop my Dark Side powers first since they all would need to be with a a Force Choke.

Comment by Mondobubba on 12/03/2012 16:44:07
Quote by wickedpam:
Quote by Mondobubba:
Quote by wickedpam:
Quote by Mondobubba:
Why I thought the company party was shit:

1. Crowded. Really, really crowded.
2. Stuffy, see number 1 as to why.
3. Soft drinks and bottled water were part of the cash bar. So if you chose to be responsible, you were still on the hook for $4 for each bottled water of softdrink.
4. No comprehensive seating plan. If you didn't get there at 7 on the dot you got a shitty table.
5. Bad food. Pork is not suppose to be grainy or gritty. The pork roularde entered my mouth and left it just as fast. Romaine lettuce drowning in salad dressing with a couple of croutons is not Caesar salad. I didn't even try to beef of fish. speaking of the three proteins, there was no viable vegetarian option.

I left after about 20 minutes.


they need a new event planner


Yes they do. Few door prizes and more money on food and beverage. I think that they have the planning for this thing cruise control and haven't given any thought to changing it for years.


wonder what kind of budget they have? I threw together a front office/warehouse/driver appreciation BBQ for about 2K (served about 100) and it came off quiet nice I think. the guys loved it and we had food to spare, they had lunch with it the next day.

Try to get our office to do more event stuff, I want to keep trying my hand at it


Event planning is fun, isn't it? I've done plenty of it myself. Learned all I know from Mrs Mondo.

Comment by wickedpam on 12/03/2012 16:47:10
Quote by Mondobubba:
Quote by wickedpam:
Quote by Mondobubba:
Quote by wickedpam:
Quote by Mondobubba:
Why I thought the company party was shit:

1. Crowded. Really, really crowded.
2. Stuffy, see number 1 as to why.
3. Soft drinks and bottled water were part of the cash bar. So if you chose to be responsible, you were still on the hook for $4 for each bottled water of softdrink.
4. No comprehensive seating plan. If you didn't get there at 7 on the dot you got a shitty table.
5. Bad food. Pork is not suppose to be grainy or gritty. The pork roularde entered my mouth and left it just as fast. Romaine lettuce drowning in salad dressing with a couple of croutons is not Caesar salad. I didn't even try to beef of fish. speaking of the three proteins, there was no viable vegetarian option.

I left after about 20 minutes.


they need a new event planner


Yes they do. Few door prizes and more money on food and beverage. I think that they have the planning for this thing cruise control and haven't given any thought to changing it for years.


wonder what kind of budget they have? I threw together a front office/warehouse/driver appreciation BBQ for about 2K (served about 100) and it came off quiet nice I think. the guys loved it and we had food to spare, they had lunch with it the next day.

Try to get our office to do more event stuff, I want to keep trying my hand at it


Event planning is fun, isn't it? I've done plenty of it myself. Learned all I know from Mrs Mondo.


I've enjoyed what I've done so far - its stressful though and highly competative


Comment by TriSec on 12/03/2012 16:47:49
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I want to choke people on a daily basis. I would need to develop my Dark Side powers first since they all would need to be with a a Force Choke.


Chemo already does that to me if I drink anything cold. It's not unlike what I'd imagine a force-choke to feel like. 'tis rather unpleasant.

Comment by Will in Chicago on 12/03/2012 16:48:00
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I blame Wayne LaPierre at the NRA for the current climate on gun control. He is a 2nd Amendment fanatic. Anytime somebody somewhere makes the mildest comment on on gun control he sends out hysterical blast emails to every NRA member and they collectively freak out about how their gun rights are being damaged.
I am so tired of the one bad apple defense.

I'm also tired of the * there lot's of ways people die in America, leaveour guns alone"

These types of Statements are red herrings designed to stop a discussion that is sorely needed in America: GUN DEATHS.

It's a SPECIFIC WAY of killing that I want to see stopped, or at least reduced. Mass Stabbing isn't a problem in this nation.





I know, right. When was the last time you about stabbing rampage. Or strangling rampage or a you get the idea.


The incident in Casper, Wyoming is the first time I have heard of a stabbing/bow and arrow incident in sometime.


Comment by TriSec on 12/03/2012 16:49:19
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Event planning is fun, isn't it? I've done plenty of it myself. Learned all I know from Mrs Mondo.



Not much different than planning a Scout weekend for 35 staff. I learned everything I know about this from a gruff old Army mess sergeant. (Harry Guilford, Troop 34 Lynn, RIP.)

So, pretty much when I run a weekend, the food sucks. * ducks incoming brick *


Comment by Mondobubba on 12/03/2012 16:51:59
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Why I thought the company party was shit:

1. Crowded. Really, really crowded.
2. Stuffy, see number 1 as to why.
3. Soft drinks and bottled water were part of the cash bar. So if you chose to be responsible, you were still on the hook for $4 for each bottled water of softdrink.
4. No comprehensive seating plan. If you didn't get there at 7 on the dot you got a shitty table.
5. Bad food. Pork is not suppose to be grainy or gritty. The pork roularde entered my mouth and left it just as fast. Romaine lettuce drowning in salad dressing with a couple of croutons is not Caesar salad. I didn't even try to beef of fish. speaking of the three proteins, there was no viable vegetarian option.

I left after about 20 minutes.


they need a new event planner


Yes they do. Few door prizes and more money on food and beverage. I think that they have the planning for this thing cruise control and haven't given any thought to changing it for years.


wonder what kind of budget they have? I threw together a front office/warehouse/driver appreciation BBQ for about 2K (served about 100) and it came off quiet nice I think. the guys loved it and we had food to spare, they had lunch with it the next day.

Try to get our office to do more event stuff, I want to keep trying my hand at it


Event planning is fun, isn't it? I've done plenty of it myself. Learned all I know from Mrs Mondo.


I've enjoyed what I've done so far - its stressful though and highly competative



It can be, yes. That payoff at the end when the plan comes together is worth it though

Comment by livingonli on 12/03/2012 16:53:17
Good morning, folks. I actually do remember about 2 decades ago when the majority of Americans did support gun control (that's one of the things that helped Carolyn McCarthy get into congress when the previous congressman was a staunch NRA douche-nozzle). But probably thanks to outlets like Fox News and steady brainwashing, public opinion shifted more to the NRA line, and we suddenly got all these Americans who think brandishing a weapon like in an action movie will stop any crime from happening ignoring things like backfire and that people miss.

It probably would be a lot easier just with Dark Side Jedi powers (and more effective).

Comment by Raine on 12/03/2012 16:58:47
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Good morning, folks. I actually do remember about 2 decades ago when the majority of Americans did support gun control (that's one of the things that helped Carolyn McCarthy get into congress when the previous congressman was a staunch NRA douche-nozzle). But probably thanks to outlets like Fox News and steady brainwashing, public opinion shifted more to the NRA line, and we suddenly got all these Americans who think brandishing a weapon like in an action movie will stop any crime from happening ignoring things like backfire and that people miss.

It probably would be a lot easier just with Dark Side Jedi powers (and more effective).
Very few people seem to remember the LIRR massacre.


Comment by livingonli on 12/03/2012 16:58:49
And it's 60 degrees here on Long Island because after all that's normal for early December.

Comment by wickedpam on 12/03/2012 16:59:40
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And it's 60 degrees here on Long Island because after all that's normal for early December.



sshhh, don't look a gift horse in the mouth

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