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Paint By Numbers
Author: BobR
Date: 05/09/2008 12:40:36
The last round of primaries had the effect of crowning Barack Obama the Democratic party nominee. The Clinton camp (and her supporters) are trying against all reality (forget odds) to overcome his lead with only a small handful of primaries left. Her only hope at this point is to convince most of the superdelegates to switch to her side.
To do this she must convince them that Barack Obama cannot beat McCain; she must convince them that only she can. She can cite polls, she can use racist language, she can evoke shadowy issues hiding under the bed that could turn ugly when the harsh spotlight is finally shone beneath the dust ruffle. What she CAN'T do, however, is change the reality of the popular vote.
In the race for the Democratic party nomination, everyone has been focusing on the magic number of delegates. The Clinton campaign has also tried to bring the popular vote into the equation citing Michigan (where Obama was not on the ballot) and FL. After several months of watching the primary returns, one thing that struck me is the number of people voting in the Democratic primaries compared to those voting in the Republican primaries. So I decided to tally them up.
The results - too big to post in their entirety on this blog page - can be found HERE.
Take a look at the bottom line for the Primary states:
McCain: 8.7 million votes
Obama: 15.6 million votes
The Caucus states show a similar pattern, although I'm not sure if they calculate those differently between the two parties. The bottom line is: nearly twice as many people have voted in this primary for Obama as have voted for McCain, despite McCain being the far-ahead front runner in the Republican race, and Obama essentially splitting the votes with Clinton in the Democratic race.
Making the assumption that EVERYONE that voted for Clinton stayed home for the General, and at the EVERYONE that voted for McCain voted in the General, Obama would win in a landslide.
That's not a very realistic assumption of course. There are a lot of variables here:
The bottom line is: None of those things are going to erase the 7-8 million vote difference between McCain and Obama. The polls may say otherwise, but the only poll that matters is the one taken on Nov 04. Of course - the other side is also true as well, that Clinton could just as easily win it for the same reasons. However, she is not ahead in the delegate count, and is not likely to get ahead.
The numbers paint a very convincing portrait, one of Barack Obama being sworn into the Office of the Presidency on Jan 20, 2009.
To do this she must convince them that Barack Obama cannot beat McCain; she must convince them that only she can. She can cite polls, she can use racist language, she can evoke shadowy issues hiding under the bed that could turn ugly when the harsh spotlight is finally shone beneath the dust ruffle. What she CAN'T do, however, is change the reality of the popular vote.
In the race for the Democratic party nomination, everyone has been focusing on the magic number of delegates. The Clinton campaign has also tried to bring the popular vote into the equation citing Michigan (where Obama was not on the ballot) and FL. After several months of watching the primary returns, one thing that struck me is the number of people voting in the Democratic primaries compared to those voting in the Republican primaries. So I decided to tally them up.
The results - too big to post in their entirety on this blog page - can be found HERE.
Take a look at the bottom line for the Primary states:
McCain: 8.7 million votes
Obama: 15.6 million votes
The Caucus states show a similar pattern, although I'm not sure if they calculate those differently between the two parties. The bottom line is: nearly twice as many people have voted in this primary for Obama as have voted for McCain, despite McCain being the far-ahead front runner in the Republican race, and Obama essentially splitting the votes with Clinton in the Democratic race.
Making the assumption that EVERYONE that voted for Clinton stayed home for the General, and at the EVERYONE that voted for McCain voted in the General, Obama would win in a landslide.
That's not a very realistic assumption of course. There are a lot of variables here:
- The majority of Clinton supporters would likely end up voting for Obama
- A certain small minority of Clinton supporters would vote for McCain as a protest
- A certain small minority of Clinton supporters would vote for a 3rd party candidate as a protest
- A certain small minority of Clinton supporters wouldn't vote at all as a protest
- Republicans that voted in the Democratic primaries would vote for McCain in the General
- There is a sizeable chunk of independents and middle-of-the-roaders that didn't vote in the primaries that would vote in the General, but realistically, they would approximately split the vote.
The bottom line is: None of those things are going to erase the 7-8 million vote difference between McCain and Obama. The polls may say otherwise, but the only poll that matters is the one taken on Nov 04. Of course - the other side is also true as well, that Clinton could just as easily win it for the same reasons. However, she is not ahead in the delegate count, and is not likely to get ahead.
The numbers paint a very convincing portrait, one of Barack Obama being sworn into the Office of the Presidency on Jan 20, 2009.
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Comment by 
Scoopster on 05/09/2008 12:45:33
Scoopster on 05/09/2008 12:45:33
Oh sure.. NOW you post it! 
Ah well, good morning to everyone! I've got a musical interlude to help start everyone's day, courtesy of a group called the Rustic Overtones.
This one had my eyes wellin' up when I heard it for the first time this morning.
Ah well, good morning to everyone! I've got a musical interlude to help start everyone's day, courtesy of a group called the Rustic Overtones.
This one had my eyes wellin' up when I heard it for the first time this morning.
Comment by 
Mondobubba on 05/09/2008 12:46:53
Mondobubba on 05/09/2008 12:46:53
Interesting analysis, Bobber. First! :banana:
Why you might ask is Mondo up at this ungodly hour on a Friday, his day off? Because I get to go downtown to the deposition place with Brother Mondo. It should be riviting! :scarcasm:
Why you might ask is Mondo up at this ungodly hour on a Friday, his day off? Because I get to go downtown to the deposition place with Brother Mondo. It should be riviting! :scarcasm:
Comment by Scoopster on 05/09/2008 12:48:57
Scoopster on 05/09/2008 12:48:57
Mondo brotha! 
(Haaa i beat yoooouuu~!)
(Haaa i beat yoooouuu~!)
Comment by Mondobubba on 05/09/2008 12:52:21
Missed it by that much : Maxwell Smart:
Mondobubba on 05/09/2008 12:52:21
Quote by Mondobubba:
Interesting analysis, Bobber. First! :banana:
Why you might ask is Mondo up at this ungodly hour on a Friday, his day off? Because I get to go downtown to the deposition place with Brother Mondo. It should be riviting! :scarcasm:
Missed it by that much : Maxwell Smart:
Comment by Mondobubba on 05/09/2008 12:53:10
see below!
Nice song to start the day.
Mondobubba on 05/09/2008 12:53:10
Quote by Scoopster:
Mondo brotha!
see below!
Nice song to start the day.
Comment by 
jd_in_ny on 05/09/2008 12:55:20
jd_in_ny on 05/09/2008 12:55:20
good morning!
I like playing with the numbers as much as the next geek, so I enjoyed your post, but numbers can be made to say just about anything - we've seen it before, we'll see it again. It's actually kind of amusing the gymnastics Clinton supporters have been doing to make the numbers look good for them...
I think Hillary needs a reality check. Her argument that she is the only one who can beat McCain is just wrong, and it contradicts what she herself admitted at the ABC "debate" (loathe as I am to mention it). When asked whether Obama could win in November, Senator Clinton replied (grudgingly) "Yes. Yes. Yes."
She has lost the primary battle based on rules she accepted, and previously liked, when they seemed to favor her. I remember the beginning of the race when her campaign insisted it was "all about the delegates".
She has alienated a lot of the democratic base. I voted for her twice as my Senator, I gave money to her first Senatorial campaign. I enjoyed meeting with her, and on balance I still have a lot of respect for her. But she wrote me off time and again as too young, naive, well-educated, elite, blah blah blah.
Obama is my candidate -- presumptively our candidate, and Hillary needs to stop doing everything she can to kneecap him. Seriously.
I like playing with the numbers as much as the next geek, so I enjoyed your post, but numbers can be made to say just about anything - we've seen it before, we'll see it again. It's actually kind of amusing the gymnastics Clinton supporters have been doing to make the numbers look good for them...
I think Hillary needs a reality check. Her argument that she is the only one who can beat McCain is just wrong, and it contradicts what she herself admitted at the ABC "debate" (loathe as I am to mention it). When asked whether Obama could win in November, Senator Clinton replied (grudgingly) "Yes. Yes. Yes."
She has lost the primary battle based on rules she accepted, and previously liked, when they seemed to favor her. I remember the beginning of the race when her campaign insisted it was "all about the delegates".
She has alienated a lot of the democratic base. I voted for her twice as my Senator, I gave money to her first Senatorial campaign. I enjoyed meeting with her, and on balance I still have a lot of respect for her. But she wrote me off time and again as too young, naive, well-educated, elite, blah blah blah.
Obama is my candidate -- presumptively our candidate, and Hillary needs to stop doing everything she can to kneecap him. Seriously.
Comment by Scoopster on 05/09/2008 12:56:20
The local college station played it in a block with REM's Orange Crush and Alice In Chains' Rooster.. was an interesting 12 minutes or so of inward reflection.
Scoopster on 05/09/2008 12:56:20
Quote by Mondobubba:Quote by Scoopster:
Mondo brotha!
see below!
The local college station played it in a block with REM's Orange Crush and Alice In Chains' Rooster.. was an interesting 12 minutes or so of inward reflection.
Comment by Scoopster on 05/09/2008 12:58:27
Scoopster on 05/09/2008 12:58:27
Comment by 
Raine on 05/09/2008 13:01:36
Raine on 05/09/2008 13:01:36
Good morning!
Bobber with the serious math this morning!
Bobber with the serious math this morning!
Comment by 
Shane-O on 05/09/2008 13:06:23
Shane-O on 05/09/2008 13:06:23
Good morning everybody!
Comment by Raine on 05/09/2008 13:10:16
Raine on 05/09/2008 13:10:16
Nice Shane-o!
Comment by Scoopster on 05/09/2008 13:14:58
Scoopster on 05/09/2008 13:14:58
Comment by 
starling310 on 05/09/2008 13:17:42
starling310 on 05/09/2008 13:17:42
Good morning everyone. 
Soooo...Bobber, looking at the link you posted makes me think that Hillary's camp will now try and change the rules to use of the Popular Vote.
Soooo...Bobber, looking at the link you posted makes me think that Hillary's camp will now try and change the rules to use of the Popular Vote.
Comment by 
m-hadley on 05/09/2008 13:21:35
m-hadley on 05/09/2008 13:21:35
Mornin' Everybody :yawn:
Happy Friday :D
Cheers,
mfaye
:yawn:Happy Friday :D
Cheers,
mfaye
Comment by starling310 on 05/09/2008 13:21:53
starling310 on 05/09/2008 13:21:53
:rofl:
producerchris!!
Starting the show over!! 
producerchris!!
Starting the show over!!
Comment by starling310 on 05/09/2008 13:25:47
starling310 on 05/09/2008 13:25:47
FAYE!! : waving :
Comment by Shane-O on 05/09/2008 13:26:44
dancin' yeah!
Shane-O on 05/09/2008 13:26:44
dancin' yeah!
Comment by starling310 on 05/09/2008 13:27:15
starling310 on 05/09/2008 13:27:15
Wow...Momma really doesn't let people talk lately. 
Comment by starling310 on 05/09/2008 13:28:22
starling310 on 05/09/2008 13:28:22
Not saying I don't agree with her. . . . just sayin. . . .
Comment by Raine on 05/09/2008 13:29:59
Raine on 05/09/2008 13:29:59
Good morning everyone!!!
Comment by starling310 on 05/09/2008 13:30:18
starling310 on 05/09/2008 13:30:18
Of course I guess if people are spouting nonsense, it's okay to cut them off.
Comment by Shane-O on 05/09/2008 13:32:48
Scoopster - I saw the Edwards interview this morning. The conclusion of the Kos article makes sense - using some duduction:
1. John Edwards said that he voted for a different Dem candidate than Elizabeth
2. Elizabeth Edwards has gone on the record supporting Clinton's healthcare plan, and she has attended Clinton rallies
3. So - iff Elizabeth Edward voted for Clinton, then John voted for Obama
4. Edwards, this morning, said he would endorse who he voted for
Thus - Edwards will endorse Obama. But iff Elizabeth voted for Clinton.
My head hurts.
Shane-O on 05/09/2008 13:32:48
Quote by Scoopster:
Pure speculation: Did Edwards slip and say he voted for Obama?
1. John Edwards said that he voted for a different Dem candidate than Elizabeth
2. Elizabeth Edwards has gone on the record supporting Clinton's healthcare plan, and she has attended Clinton rallies
3. So - iff Elizabeth Edward voted for Clinton, then John voted for Obama
4. Edwards, this morning, said he would endorse who he voted for
Thus - Edwards will endorse Obama. But iff Elizabeth voted for Clinton.
My head hurts.
Comment by Raine on 05/09/2008 13:34:31
reposting in today's bloggie...
Raine on 05/09/2008 13:34:31
Quote by right wing hater:
Good morning Everyone!
Daily Reading has been posted....Here are a few of the stories...
Portrait of an oil-addicted former superpower; How rising oil prices are obliterating America's superpower status - http://gristmill.grist.org/story/2008/5/8/153211/0730
The longer we hold this country hostage with old, polluting, finite energy sources...the deeper the abyss of the dollar, the economy, the environment, and the future of this country...
A Picture is Worth...A Hundred Thousand Words...Myanmar Before and After Cyclone Nargis - http://www.treehugger.com/files/2008/05/picture-worth-myanmar.php
Shocking...Myanmar from space....in case anyone still feels the climate crisis is not a big deal...
Politico: Obama plans to declare victory May 20 - http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0508/10184.html
Hey Raine...thanks for the story on new Bill for Net Neutrality...added my quick 2cents....
Happy Friday everyone....180 days until Barack Obama is elected president!
Comment by starling310 on 05/09/2008 13:36:13
starling310 on 05/09/2008 13:36:13
Oh Donnie. You are tiresome. : waves hand : : stirs martini :
Comment by jd_in_ny on 05/09/2008 13:37:03
jd_in_ny on 05/09/2008 13:37:03
no more Donnie. Can we have a Donnie-free week?
Comment by Raine on 05/09/2008 13:38:26
Raine on 05/09/2008 13:38:26
I was insulted with Hillary's comments... but I am over it... Barack is the nominee... I am going to post something I posted last night:
From CNN...
OK. So, hillary is now just looking foolish. Barack Obama can unite us, despite these divisionary statements. Bill Clinton didn't win the election by winning the White vote, it should be noted so whatever...
In the mean time McCain is vowing to Pass LAws that have already been passed...
First, HE voted against this sort of thing when we found out a few of his former buddies went to the Marianna Islands (Tom Delay, anyone)
From The DOJ: (More at the link)
This is what the Media needs to be focusing on. instead of what Hillary is doing.
And These are the things we need to keep an eye out for. This was not a senior moment... this is a man that does not know what he is talking about.
Perhaps he could promise to have this law ENFORCED... but he won't... he voted agaisnt strengthening this in 2006, and he will continue to water it down if he is elected.
The two endorsements bring Clinton's advantage over Obama among superdelegates down to seven, according to CNN's estimate; Clinton has the backing of 267 superdelegates, while Obama has 250.
Since Tuesday's primaries, Obama has gained six superdelegates while Clinton has picked up one. But Clinton also lost a superdelegate Wednesday — DNC member Jennifer McClellan switched her support to Obama — for a net gain of zero.
From CNN...
OK. So, hillary is now just looking foolish. Barack Obama can unite us, despite these divisionary statements. Bill Clinton didn't win the election by winning the White vote, it should be noted so whatever...
In the mean time McCain is vowing to Pass LAws that have already been passed...
McCain also said he would crack down on human trafficking by creating a inter-agency task force to strengthen cooperation between federal, state and local law enforcement.
McCain said he would to work to change the economic incentives underpinning trafficking as well as doing more to aid the victims of "this evil form of 21st-century slavery."
First, HE voted against this sort of thing when we found out a few of his former buddies went to the Marianna Islands (Tom Delay, anyone)
From The DOJ: (More at the link)
Prosecution
The United States Government continued its efforts to improve anti-trafficking law enforcement efforts over the reporting period. The United States prohibits all forms of trafficking in persons through criminal statutes created or strengthened by the 2000 Trafficking Victims Protection Act (TVPA), which prescribes penalties of up to 20 years' imprisonment-penalties that are sufficiently stringent and commensurate with those for other grave crimes. In FY 2006, the Department of Justice's (DOJ) Civil Rights Division and U.S. Attorneys' Offices initiated 168 investigations, charged 111 individuals, and obtained 98 convictions (including in cases initiated in previous fiscal years). Under the TVPA, traffickers can be sentenced to up to 20 years' imprisonment. The average sentence imposed for trafficking crimes in FY 2005 was 8.5 years (including defendants convicted in other fiscal years). The Federal Bureau of Investigation and DOJ Criminal Division continued to combat the exploitation of children in prostitution in the United States through the Innocence Lost National Initiative; in FY 2006, this Initiative resulted in 103 open investigations, 157 arrests, 76 indictments, and 43 convictions.
State and local governments also made significant law enforcement efforts against trafficking in persons. By the end of 2006, 27 states had passed criminal anti-trafficking legislation. DOJ and Health and Human Services (HHS) continue to increase the number of anti-trafficking task forces, coalitions, and outreach efforts across the United States. DOJ funded 42 task forces at the end of FY 2006, up from 32 in FY 2005. These task forces bring together state, local, and federal law enforcement with partners from NGOs.
In 2006, the Department of Labor's Wage and Hour Division (WHD) began developing resources to help investigators identify potential trafficking issues and began introducing trafficking issues into its investigator training curriculum. During the past year, WHD staff participated in over 30 local, multi-agency task forces on trafficking.
This is what the Media needs to be focusing on. instead of what Hillary is doing.
And These are the things we need to keep an eye out for. This was not a senior moment... this is a man that does not know what he is talking about.
Perhaps he could promise to have this law ENFORCED... but he won't... he voted agaisnt strengthening this in 2006, and he will continue to water it down if he is elected.
Comment by Raine on 05/09/2008 13:39:15
May 20th...
Raine on 05/09/2008 13:39:15
Quote by jd_in_ny:
no more Donnie. Can we have a Donnie-free week?
Comment by Raine on 05/09/2008 13:40:14
Raine on 05/09/2008 13:40:14
:star: it seems like Momma has been really hopped up and kinda hyper lately. Primary syndrome. that is what I am calling it.
Comment by starling310 on 05/09/2008 13:41:27
starling310 on 05/09/2008 13:41:27
Ooohhh....is there Friday with Frangela today!?!?
Comment by Raine on 05/09/2008 13:42:16
:clap: excellent piece.
Raine on 05/09/2008 13:42:16
Quote by Scoopster:
Very interesting op/ed from Eugene Robinson in today's WaPo..
Comment by starling310 on 05/09/2008 13:42:43
starling310 on 05/09/2008 13:42:43
Go MAXINE! Go MAXINE! Go MAXINE! Go MAXINE! Go MAXINE!
: arsenio hall old skool arm pump : "Woof! Woof! Woof!
: arsenio hall old skool arm pump : "Woof! Woof! Woof!
Comment by Raine on 05/09/2008 13:45:02
Raine on 05/09/2008 13:45:02
Speak it MAXINE!!! She sounds PUMPED!
Comment by starling310 on 05/09/2008 13:45:46
starling310 on 05/09/2008 13:45:46
I gave a "BITTER" VOTER FOR OBAMA to someone yesterday and she took it as meaning she will vote for Obama even though she's bitter that Hillary didn't get the nomination.
I hope other people get the intended meaning.
Anyone have the Snail Mail information for Momma and the Mooks? I'd like to send them some stickies!!!
I hope other people get the intended meaning.
Anyone have the Snail Mail information for Momma and the Mooks? I'd like to send them some stickies!!!
Comment by Raine on 05/09/2008 13:53:51
Raine on 05/09/2008 13:53:51
According the ABC, Obama now has the lead in SD's.
I don't know if that is correct. I think it is more likely down to about 4 SDs behind... but we are getting closer and closer!
I don't know if that is correct. I think it is more likely down to about 4 SDs behind... but we are getting closer and closer!
Comment by starling310 on 05/09/2008 13:54:15
starling310 on 05/09/2008 13:54:15
Howz about a stimulus package that...mmm....i don't know....lowers the GAS PRICES!?!?!?!
Comment by 
wickedpam on 05/09/2008 13:57:18
wickedpam on 05/09/2008 13:57:18
Morning :hug:
Comment by m-hadley on 05/09/2008 13:59:09
m-hadley on 05/09/2008 13:59:09
Starling,
Snail Mail for Momma and the Mooks (& Rebekah, too):
The Stephanie Miller Show
KTLK AM 1150
3400 W. Olive Ave. Suite 550
Burbank, CA 91505
BTB, you should be receiving a very small stimulus check from the radical militant librarian in the mail soon :D
Cheers,
mfaye
Snail Mail for Momma and the Mooks (& Rebekah, too):
The Stephanie Miller Show
KTLK AM 1150
3400 W. Olive Ave. Suite 550
Burbank, CA 91505
BTB, you should be receiving a very small stimulus check from the radical militant librarian in the mail soon :D
Cheers,
mfaye
Comment by Raine on 05/09/2008 13:59:49
Raine on 05/09/2008 13:59:49
Starling, do you already have my address? I think I was assuming you you did.
Comment by Raine on 05/09/2008 14:01:02
Raine on 05/09/2008 14:01:02
There goes Faye with the stimulus talk again! 
Comment by m-hadley on 05/09/2008 14:01:38
m-hadley on 05/09/2008 14:01:38
Add two more Super dupers to Obama's tally :)
Cheers,
mfaye
Cheers,
mfaye
Comment by starling310 on 05/09/2008 14:02:19
Yup!
starling310 on 05/09/2008 14:02:19
Quote by Raine:
Starling, do you already have my address? I think I was assuming you you did.
Yup!
Comment by m-hadley on 05/09/2008 14:03:16
m-hadley on 05/09/2008 14:03:16
Me and Leo are all about the stimulus - I guess I'm gonna spend the weekend in the penalty box 
Cheers,
mfaye
- I guess I'm gonna spend the weekend in the penalty box Cheers,
mfaye
Comment by starling310 on 05/09/2008 14:03:25
;)
starling310 on 05/09/2008 14:03:25
Quote by m-hadley:
Starling,
Snail Mail for Momma and the Mooks (& Rebekah, too):
The Stephanie Miller Show
KTLK AM 1150
3400 W. Olive Ave. Suite 550
Burbank, CA 91505
BTB, you should be receiving a very small stimulus check from the radical militant librarian in the mail soon :D
Cheers,
mfaye
;)
Comment by starling310 on 05/09/2008 14:05:55
I think you're correct. She is forgiven.
starling310 on 05/09/2008 14:05:55
Quote by Raine:
:star: it seems like Momma has been really hopped up and kinda hyper lately. Primary syndrome. that is what I am calling it.
I think you're correct. She is forgiven.
Comment by Raine on 05/09/2008 14:07:36
Raine on 05/09/2008 14:07:36
Today's pull your heartstring story....
Did anyone hear the story yesterday about the oldest league bowler passing away?
I don't have the obit that I read in the AJC, only This AP article...
Well in today's "peach Buzz" section of the paper (the peach Buss is like a little like "page 6" kinds local gossip etc...) I Read this...
At 104, she’s grieving for bowling beau
As soon as we received word of Bill Hargrove’s passing Thursday at Buzz Central, we immediately picked up the phone and rang Rachel Rosen Lehmann, our favorite 104-year-old reader.
As you’ll no doubt recall, Lehmann first called us back in March 2005, after reading about bowler Bill “Tiger” Hargrove, then 102, who had just been featured in the AJC Sports section. Lehmann wanted his digits. We happily obliged. The two ended up getting on so well, Hargrove showed up at the longtime Atlanta Opera volunteer’s 102nd birthday party in June of that year with three long-stemmed red roses. Sporting a jacket and tie, Hargrove gave her a hug and purred in her ear: “I came in here looking for an old lady but I couldn’t find one.”
We took copious notes and the pair ended up on the front page much to the delight of readers.
“Oh, Bill, what a darling sweet man,” Lehmann reflected Thursday. “He was a real Southern gentleman. He would always call me ‘Rachel darlin’ ’ in that accent of his. It was the cutest thing.”
Lehmann told us the two met up from time to time when they could arrange transportation but mostly kept up via phone calls.
Said Lehmann: “He would tell me, ‘When I go to bed at night, I see you in my dreams.’ How can you top that? They aren’t making gentlemen like that anymore.”
Regrettably, Lehmann never had a chance to take Hargrove to her beloved Atlanta Opera. But she did attend his 106th birthday party last year.
“I brought him a big bottle of wine!” Lehmann recalled with a wicked laugh. “I mean, at our age, why not? We always had so much fun together. I just wish we could have started a little earlier. But I’m so happy I got to meet him. And so handsome!”
In tribute to her bowling beau, the Zaban Tower retirement community songbird plans to attend Hargrove’s memorial service Saturday at 2 p.m. at Atlanta’s Grace United Methodist Church.
With three long-stemmed red roses in hand.
Did anyone hear the story yesterday about the oldest league bowler passing away?
I don't have the obit that I read in the AJC, only This AP article...
Well in today's "peach Buzz" section of the paper (the peach Buss is like a little like "page 6" kinds local gossip etc...) I Read this...
At 104, she’s grieving for bowling beau
As soon as we received word of Bill Hargrove’s passing Thursday at Buzz Central, we immediately picked up the phone and rang Rachel Rosen Lehmann, our favorite 104-year-old reader.
As you’ll no doubt recall, Lehmann first called us back in March 2005, after reading about bowler Bill “Tiger” Hargrove, then 102, who had just been featured in the AJC Sports section. Lehmann wanted his digits. We happily obliged. The two ended up getting on so well, Hargrove showed up at the longtime Atlanta Opera volunteer’s 102nd birthday party in June of that year with three long-stemmed red roses. Sporting a jacket and tie, Hargrove gave her a hug and purred in her ear: “I came in here looking for an old lady but I couldn’t find one.”
We took copious notes and the pair ended up on the front page much to the delight of readers.
“Oh, Bill, what a darling sweet man,” Lehmann reflected Thursday. “He was a real Southern gentleman. He would always call me ‘Rachel darlin’ ’ in that accent of his. It was the cutest thing.”
Lehmann told us the two met up from time to time when they could arrange transportation but mostly kept up via phone calls.
Said Lehmann: “He would tell me, ‘When I go to bed at night, I see you in my dreams.’ How can you top that? They aren’t making gentlemen like that anymore.”
Regrettably, Lehmann never had a chance to take Hargrove to her beloved Atlanta Opera. But she did attend his 106th birthday party last year.
“I brought him a big bottle of wine!” Lehmann recalled with a wicked laugh. “I mean, at our age, why not? We always had so much fun together. I just wish we could have started a little earlier. But I’m so happy I got to meet him. And so handsome!”
In tribute to her bowling beau, the Zaban Tower retirement community songbird plans to attend Hargrove’s memorial service Saturday at 2 p.m. at Atlanta’s Grace United Methodist Church.
With three long-stemmed red roses in hand.
Comment by m-hadley on 05/09/2008 14:08:42
May I use the same excuse??? Not sure what has gotten into me lately, feeling especially feisty :D
Cheers,
mfaye
m-hadley on 05/09/2008 14:08:42
Quote by starling310:Quote by Raine:
:star: it seems like Momma has been really hopped up and kinda hyper lately. Primary syndrome. that is what I am calling it.
I think you're correct. She is forgiven.
May I use the same excuse??? Not sure what has gotten into me lately, feeling especially feisty :D
Cheers,
mfaye
Comment by Raine on 05/09/2008 14:10:07
Raine on 05/09/2008 14:10:07
I think we can all use the excuse. SOOOO many people are just ready to move on.
Comment by 
livingonli on 05/09/2008 14:11:21
livingonli on 05/09/2008 14:11:21
Good morning everyone. 
I can't post in the SMS blog until Clay, Donnie, and SMH are chased away. They are poisoning in the well with their shilling which is now turned into lying for Hillary.
I can't post in the SMS blog until Clay, Donnie, and SMH are chased away. They are poisoning in the well with their shilling which is now turned into lying for Hillary.
Comment by Raine on 05/09/2008 14:12:19
Raine on 05/09/2008 14:12:19
:wacko: the RadioEqualizer is just a loon.
::: Peter from Family Guy's foriegn co-worker voice ::: It's funny because it's Ironic you see?
::: Peter from Family Guy's foriegn co-worker voice ::: It's funny because it's Ironic you see?
Comment by wickedpam on 05/09/2008 14:13:45
wickedpam on 05/09/2008 14:13:45
I don't know that I've ever know a skinny Samoan. Not that've known a lot of Samoans.
Comment by 
BobR on 05/09/2008 14:14:40
Keep in mind the first total includes MI and FL, and doesn't include the caucus numbers. Adjusting for those, Obama is still ahead.
BobR on 05/09/2008 14:14:40
Quote by starling310:
Good morning everyone.
Soooo...Bobber, looking at the link you posted makes me think that Hillary's camp will now try and change the rules to use of the Popular Vote.
Keep in mind the first total includes MI and FL, and doesn't include the caucus numbers. Adjusting for those, Obama is still ahead.
Comment by starling310 on 05/09/2008 14:14:45
starling310 on 05/09/2008 14:14:45
I, for one, AM OUTRAGED!!!
Comment by livingonli on 05/09/2008 14:16:20
He's a failed talk show host who's upset because he can't get a gig because there are already too many mediocre third tier right-wing talkers.
livingonli on 05/09/2008 14:16:20
Quote by Raine:
:wacko: the RadioEqualizer is just a loon.
::: Peter from Family Guy's foriegn co-worker voice ::: It's funny because it's Ironic you see?
He's a failed talk show host who's upset because he can't get a gig because there are already too many mediocre third tier right-wing talkers.
Comment by Shane-O on 05/09/2008 14:16:29
Shane-O on 05/09/2008 14:16:29
If that's the most "offensive" thing the Winger could come up with from the SMS, he must not listen very often. Tool. Get a sense of humor! 
Comment by Raine on 05/09/2008 14:17:37
Well stay here then. It's just not relevant. Why should you waste your beautiful mind on something like that?
Raine on 05/09/2008 14:17:37
Quote by livingonli:
Good morning everyone.
I can't post in the SMS blog until Clay, Donnie, and SMH are chased away. They are poisoning in the well with their shilling which is now turned into lying for Hillary.
Comment by BobR on 05/09/2008 14:18:43
BobR on 05/09/2008 14:18:43
My brother - a registered independent - just showed me a "poll" sent to him by the Republican party referring to him as a "representative Republican" in his voting district.
Sample Question: "Should we do everything we can to stop Democrats from weakening border security?"
It is one of the most egregious push-polls I've ever seen.
I will be scanning it (and the accompanying letter) later and post it on the board (and forward to the DNC). :Rage:
Sample Question: "Should we do everything we can to stop Democrats from weakening border security?"
It is one of the most egregious push-polls I've ever seen.
I will be scanning it (and the accompanying letter) later and post it on the board (and forward to the DNC). :Rage:
Comment by jd_in_ny on 05/09/2008 14:19:24
jd_in_ny on 05/09/2008 14:19:24
me TOO! (about what?)
Comment by livingonli on 05/09/2008 14:19:47
livingonli on 05/09/2008 14:19:47
Hey, whad'ya mean that New Yorkers have no Fuckin' manners. 
I got your manners for you right here.
I got your manners for you right here.
Comment by starling310 on 05/09/2008 14:20:15
starling310 on 05/09/2008 14:20:15
They imply that people from North Korea have accents!!!
Comment by m-hadley on 05/09/2008 14:22:11
Me three, :D
I'm outta there until the class of (im)posters improves :D
Cheers,
mfaye
m-hadley on 05/09/2008 14:22:11
Quote by Raine:Well stay here then. It's just not relevant. Why should you waste your beautiful mind on something like that?Quote by livingonli:
Good morning everyone.
I can't post in the SMS blog until Clay, Donnie, and SMH are chased away. They are poisoning in the well with their shilling which is now turned into lying for Hillary.
Me three, :D
I'm outta there until the class of (im)posters improves :D
Cheers,
mfaye
Comment by wickedpam on 05/09/2008 14:22:21
That would be interesting to see. All I ever get art phone polls that go on forever.
wickedpam on 05/09/2008 14:22:21
Quote by BobR:
My brother - a registered independent - just showed me a "poll" sent to him by the Republican party referring to him as a "representative Republican" in his voting district.
Sample Question: "Should we do everything we can to stop Democrats from weakening border security?"
It is one of the most egregious push-polls I've ever seen.
I will be scanning it (and the accompanying letter) later and post it on the board (and forward to the DNC). :Rage:
That would be interesting to see. All I ever get art phone polls that go on forever.
Comment by wickedpam on 05/09/2008 14:23:13
wickedpam on 05/09/2008 14:23:13
Liv - *snort* 
Comment by Shane-O on 05/09/2008 14:23:59
Shane-O on 05/09/2008 14:23:59
OMG! - I never saw that emoticon before!
I never saw that emoticon before!
Comment by livingonli on 05/09/2008 14:24:06
Well, you know we have a nicer group of people here.
Those three are insulting everyone for supporting Obama and they complain about the level of discourse.
livingonli on 05/09/2008 14:24:06
Quote by m-hadley:Quote by Raine:Well stay here then. It's just not relevant. Why should you waste your beautiful mind on something like that?Quote by livingonli:
Good morning everyone.
I can't post in the SMS blog until Clay, Donnie, and SMH are chased away. They are poisoning in the well with their shilling which is now turned into lying for Hillary.
Me three, :D
I'm outta there until the class of (im)posters improves :D
Cheers,
mfaye
Well, you know we have a nicer group of people here.
Those three are insulting everyone for supporting Obama and they complain about the level of discourse.
Comment by Raine on 05/09/2008 14:25:14
May I please also suggest that you Send it to Brad Blog? (and other websites that deal with voter disenfranchisement?)
AND... make sure it get's sent to his local Democratic party office. Unf*ckingbelieveable.
ALSO... send it to Creative Loafing and APN.
Raine on 05/09/2008 14:25:14
Quote by BobR:
My brother - a registered independent - just showed me a "poll" sent to him by the Republican party referring to him as a "representative Republican" in his voting district.
Sample Question: "Should we do everything we can to stop Democrats from weakening border security?"
It is one of the most egregious push-polls I've ever seen.
I will be scanning it (and the accompanying letter) later and post it on the board (and forward to the DNC). :Rage:
AND... make sure it get's sent to his local Democratic party office. Unf*ckingbelieveable.
ALSO... send it to Creative Loafing and APN.
Comment by Scoopster on 05/09/2008 14:34:55
Speaking of that.. I'm buggin' out waiting for my stimulus check and tax return to come in.. I'm not hurtin' for money, just that I'm lookin to move into a new apartment soon and that's probably gonna cover me for the move and the first couple months.
(and my current landlord.. well, he can go screw)
Scoopster on 05/09/2008 14:34:55
Quote by Raine:
There goes Faye with the stimulus talk again!
Speaking of that.. I'm buggin' out waiting for my stimulus check and tax return to come in.. I'm not hurtin' for money, just that I'm lookin to move into a new apartment soon and that's probably gonna cover me for the move and the first couple months.
(and my current landlord.. well, he can go screw)
Comment by Raine on 05/09/2008 14:36:13
Raine on 05/09/2008 14:36:13
This is telling... From Rassmussen Reports™:
Rasmussen Reports has been tracking the race for the Democratic Presidential nomination daily for nineteen months… since November 2006. For the last few months, the most remarkable feature of the race has been its consistency and stability. Senators Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton are both running historic campaigns and both have captured the votes and hearts of distinct and important constituencies within the Democratic Party. Obama has won Primaries in states where the demographics favor his campaign and Clinton has won in the states that favor her campaign.
However, while Senator Clinton has remained close and competitive in every meaningful measure, she is a close second and the race is over. It has become clear that Barack Obama will be the Democratic nominee.
[...]
With this in mind, Rasmussen Reports will soon end our daily tracking of the Democratic race and focus exclusively on the general election competition between Republican John McCain and Democrat Barack Obama. Barring something totally unforeseen, that is the choice American voters will have before them in November.
=============================================================
:thud:
Rasmussen Reports has been tracking the race for the Democratic Presidential nomination daily for nineteen months… since November 2006. For the last few months, the most remarkable feature of the race has been its consistency and stability. Senators Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton are both running historic campaigns and both have captured the votes and hearts of distinct and important constituencies within the Democratic Party. Obama has won Primaries in states where the demographics favor his campaign and Clinton has won in the states that favor her campaign.
However, while Senator Clinton has remained close and competitive in every meaningful measure, she is a close second and the race is over. It has become clear that Barack Obama will be the Democratic nominee.
[...]
With this in mind, Rasmussen Reports will soon end our daily tracking of the Democratic race and focus exclusively on the general election competition between Republican John McCain and Democrat Barack Obama. Barring something totally unforeseen, that is the choice American voters will have before them in November.
=============================================================
:thud:
Comment by wickedpam on 05/09/2008 14:36:27
wickedpam on 05/09/2008 14:36:27
Raine - what is Creative Loafing?
Comment by Shane-O on 05/09/2008 14:37:11
The only days I've gone over there over the past month were "non-Clay" days. Otherwise - bleck!
It seems, however, that many enjoy engaging the hecklers, and as such, they keep it up. :(
Shane-O on 05/09/2008 14:37:11
Quote by livingonli:Quote by m-hadley:Quote by Raine:Well stay here then. It's just not relevant. Why should you waste your beautiful mind on something like that?Quote by livingonli:
Good morning everyone.
I can't post in the SMS blog until Clay, Donnie, and SMH are chased away. They are poisoning in the well with their shilling which is now turned into lying for Hillary.
Me three, :D
I'm outta there until the class of (im)posters improves :D
Cheers,
mfaye
Well, you know we have a nicer group of people here.
Those three are insulting everyone for supporting Obama and they complain about the level of discourse.
It seems, however, that many enjoy engaging the hecklers, and as such, they keep it up. :(
Comment by wickedpam on 05/09/2008 14:38:28
Oh - I got a chill.
wickedpam on 05/09/2008 14:38:28
Quote by Raine:
This is telling... From Rassmussen Reports™:
Rasmussen Reports has been tracking the race for the Democratic Presidential nomination daily for nineteen months… since November 2006. For the last few months, the most remarkable feature of the race has been its consistency and stability. Senators Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton are both running historic campaigns and both have captured the votes and hearts of distinct and important constituencies within the Democratic Party. Obama has won Primaries in states where the demographics favor his campaign and Clinton has won in the states that favor her campaign.
However, while Senator Clinton has remained close and competitive in every meaningful measure, she is a close second and the race is over. It has become clear that Barack Obama will be the Democratic nominee.
[...]
With this in mind, Rasmussen Reports will soon end our daily tracking of the Democratic race and focus exclusively on the general election competition between Republican John McCain and Democrat Barack Obama. Barring something totally unforeseen, that is the choice American voters will have before them in November.
=============================================================
:thud:
Oh - I got a chill.
Comment by livingonli on 05/09/2008 14:38:30
It is the Atlanta alternative weekly. Just picture if City Paper actually still reported news.
livingonli on 05/09/2008 14:38:30
Quote by wickedpam:
Raine - what is Creative Loafing?
It is the Atlanta alternative weekly. Just picture if City Paper actually still reported news.
Comment by wickedpam on 05/09/2008 14:40:16
wickedpam on 05/09/2008 14:40:16
Ah. I get it now.
Comment by wickedpam on 05/09/2008 14:40:53
wickedpam on 05/09/2008 14:40:53
What I'm not a hard working person?
Comment by starling310 on 05/09/2008 14:42:51
starling310 on 05/09/2008 14:42:51
New Hampshire was Top of the 3rd, Hils. It's the bottom of the ninth and you're down to your last at bat.
Comment by Raine on 05/09/2008 14:44:09
Raine on 05/09/2008 14:44:09
I feel a little bad for becuase I think he is the only one looking into that blog, and he is really busy with you know, producing the show.
I cannot suffer places that make my blood boil discourse is fine, disagreeing is fine, giggling and making jokes are fine, but being nasty and attacking people instead of ideas are NOT fine.
There are a few people over there that are spectacular and I feel badly becuase they are doing good things, but the reality is, when you feed trolls they only come back for more food.
Now... HAs John McCain said any ting stupid today yet? Did he breath?
Arguing over BO v. HRC is just old.
Rasmusssen even thinks so.
becuase I think he is the only one looking into that blog, and he is really busy with you know, producing the show. I cannot suffer places that make my blood boil discourse is fine, disagreeing is fine, giggling and making jokes are fine, but being nasty and attacking people instead of ideas are NOT fine.
There are a few people over there that are spectacular and I feel badly becuase they are doing good things, but the reality is, when you feed trolls they only come back for more food.
Now... HAs John McCain said any ting stupid today yet? Did he breath?
Arguing over BO v. HRC is just old.
Rasmusssen even thinks so.
Comment by starling310 on 05/09/2008 14:46:49
starling310 on 05/09/2008 14:46:49
The Androw Ant Block guy is back.
"Ants take bait back their home where they eat it AND DIE!"
"Ants take bait back their home where they eat it AND DIE!"
Comment by livingonli on 05/09/2008 14:51:57
livingonli on 05/09/2008 14:51:57
Jazz is a quiet puker.
I miss mgm's comments about how Jazz was secretly plotting to kill him (or at least claw him up badly).
I miss mgm's comments about how Jazz was secretly plotting to kill him (or at least claw him up badly).
Comment by Raine on 05/09/2008 14:52:09
Raine on 05/09/2008 14:52:09
I want a puppy. We just have not found the right one yet...
it has to be the RIGHT one, tho. Camille will not be amused EITHER way. but if we find a nice smallish mellow adult pup, it will be fine.
it has to be the RIGHT one, tho. Camille will not be amused EITHER way. but if we find a nice smallish mellow adult pup, it will be fine.
Comment by BobR on 05/09/2008 14:54:24
BobR on 05/09/2008 14:54:24
Caller says Republicans might have a *gasp* incriminating video, so... what?... we should go with Hillary instead?
Stupid stupid stupid...
Stupid stupid stupid...
Comment by starling310 on 05/09/2008 14:54:45
starling310 on 05/09/2008 14:54:45
Oooh...he included MEEE!!!!! YAY!!
Comment by wickedpam on 05/09/2008 14:54:57
BTW - Amazing LOST last night! Lots of info!
wickedpam on 05/09/2008 14:54:57
BTW - Amazing LOST last night! Lots of info!
Comment by wickedpam on 05/09/2008 14:56:04
Oh God you have to take a picture of Camille's face when she meets the new puppy (when you find on)!
wickedpam on 05/09/2008 14:56:04
Quote by Raine:
I want a puppy. We just have not found the right one yet...
it has to be the RIGHT one, tho. Camille will not be amused EITHER way. but if we find a nice smallish mellow adult pup, it will be fine.
Oh God you have to take a picture of Camille's face when she meets the new puppy (when you find on)!
Comment by Raine on 05/09/2008 14:56:26
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Raine on 05/09/2008 14:56:26
Quote by BobR:
Caller says Republicans might have a *gasp* incriminating video, so... what?... we should go with Hillary instead?
Stupid stupid stupid...
Comment by starling310 on 05/09/2008 14:57:02
starling310 on 05/09/2008 14:57:02
Here's one thing I've learned during the primary. You don't MESS WITH THE GRANDMOTHERS of this country!!
: frangela : MmmmmHM!
: frangela : MmmmmHM!
Comment by Raine on 05/09/2008 15:00:31
Raine on 05/09/2008 15:00:31
You know, as long as Donors like HARVEY are threatening to stop sending money... I think we should all start sending money to our local candidates that ARE running. F*CK weinstein and the like.
They are a PART of the party. they do not OWN the party.
They are a PART of the party. they do not OWN the party.
Comment by livingonli on 05/09/2008 15:00:58
livingonli on 05/09/2008 15:00:58
McCain pushed land deal that benefited benefactor.
Sounds like he didn't learn anything from his Keating Five days.
Sounds like he didn't learn anything from his Keating Five days.
Comment by Raine on 05/09/2008 15:02:15
OH yeah... THESE grandma's are those that came of age in the 60's and 70's... They don't take kindly to this kinda crap.
Raine on 05/09/2008 15:02:15
Quote by starling310:
Here's one thing I've learned during the primary. You don't MESS WITH THE GRANDMOTHERS of this country!!
: frangela : MmmmmHM!
Comment by m-hadley on 05/09/2008 15:06:00
m-hadley on 05/09/2008 15:06:00
Comment by starling310 on 05/09/2008 15:08:59
starling310 on 05/09/2008 15:08:59
Uumm...Jim! Are you implying that all package store owners are from India???
I AM OUTRAGED.
: vapors :
I AM OUTRAGED.
: vapors :
Comment by livingonli on 05/09/2008 15:09:24
livingonli on 05/09/2008 15:09:24
Shane-O, do you read Hustler just for the articles?
Comment by livingonli on 05/09/2008 15:10:13
Thank you and come again. :apu:
livingonli on 05/09/2008 15:10:13
Quote by starling310:
Uumm...Jim! Are you implying that all package store owners are from India???
I AM OUTRAGED.
: vapors :
Thank you and come again. :apu:
Comment by Raine on 05/09/2008 15:10:29
Raine on 05/09/2008 15:10:29
Speaking of Nudies... Soldier Poses Nude in Playgirl to protest Patriot Act...
Support the TROOPS!!!
Support the TROOPS!!!
Comment by wickedpam on 05/09/2008 15:10:35
wickedpam on 05/09/2008 15:10:35
I LOVE that one! We need the Bitch! Bitch! Bitch! one! :rofl:
Comment by 
shelaghc on 05/09/2008 15:13:52
Petfinder
Sneaking on between the doc's visits to my desk.
shelaghc on 05/09/2008 15:13:52
Quote by Raine:
I want a puppy. We just have not found the right one yet...
it has to be the RIGHT one, tho. Camille will not be amused EITHER way. but if we find a nice smallish mellow adult pup, it will be fine.
Petfinder
Sneaking on between the doc's visits to my desk.
Comment by Raine on 05/09/2008 15:15:52
Raine on 05/09/2008 15:15:52
HEya the petfinder has been bookmarked for a while. 
the petfinder has been bookmarked for a while.
Comment by BobR on 05/09/2008 15:16:14
The problem with adoption groups is that they want a letter from your landlord saying they approve of you having a dog. Dogs aren't allowed in our apartments, but the landlord is never here, so they'll never know...
But they certainly wouldn't approve.
BobR on 05/09/2008 15:16:14
Quote by shelaghc:
Petfinder
Sneaking on between the doc's visits to my desk.
The problem with adoption groups is that they want a letter from your landlord saying they approve of you having a dog. Dogs aren't allowed in our apartments, but the landlord is never here, so they'll never know...
But they certainly wouldn't approve.
Comment by wickedpam on 05/09/2008 15:17:51
wickedpam on 05/09/2008 15:17:51
Hey Shelagh - hope things are going well at the doc office.
Comment by livingonli on 05/09/2008 15:19:34
livingonli on 05/09/2008 15:19:34
I can't have pets in my apartment. If I could, I would have liked to have gotten a cat.
Hi Shelagh. Still rooting for the Penguins now that they dispatched the Rangers?
Hi Shelagh. Still rooting for the Penguins now that they dispatched the Rangers?
Comment by starling310 on 05/09/2008 15:20:58
starling310 on 05/09/2008 15:20:58
It is odd how long Ashton and Demi have been together, and for the most part out of the press.
Comment by Raine on 05/09/2008 15:21:14
I just saw the Video...
I think we will see an endorsemtn today at the earliest, Sunday the latest.
Raine on 05/09/2008 15:21:14
Quote by Shane-O:Scoopster - I saw the Edwards interview this morning. The conclusion of the Kos article makes sense - using some duduction:Quote by Scoopster:
Pure speculation: Did Edwards slip and say he voted for Obama?
1. John Edwards said that he voted for a different Dem candidate than Elizabeth
2. Elizabeth Edwards has gone on the record supporting Clinton's healthcare plan, and she has attended Clinton rallies
3. So - iff Elizabeth Edward voted for Clinton, then John voted for Obama
4. Edwards, this morning, said he would endorse who he voted for
Thus - Edwards will endorse Obama. But iff Elizabeth voted for Clinton.
My head hurts.
I think we will see an endorsemtn today at the earliest, Sunday the latest.
Comment by Scoopster on 05/09/2008 15:24:39
Now that's what I call running up the flagpole.
Scoopster on 05/09/2008 15:24:39
Quote by Raine:
Speaking of Nudies... Soldier Poses Nude in Playgirl to protest Patriot Act...
Support the TROOPS!!!
Now that's what I call running up the flagpole.
Comment by Raine on 05/09/2008 15:25:07
It's kinda nice.
I must admit, I looked at that relationship with a sideways view, but I am glad it worked out for the whole family.
Raine on 05/09/2008 15:25:07
Quote by starling310:
It is odd how long Ashton and Demi have been together, and for the most part out of the press.
I must admit, I looked at that relationship with a sideways view, but I am glad it worked out for the whole family.
Comment by Raine on 05/09/2008 15:28:13
Raine on 05/09/2008 15:28:13
PBR?!?!?! I cannot vote for Barack now.
Comment by starling310 on 05/09/2008 15:29:11
starling310 on 05/09/2008 15:29:11
Obama is a really good hand shaker by the way. I noticed that the other night. He's very smooth whilst schmoozin' with "the folks."
Comment by BobR on 05/09/2008 15:29:52
HEYyohhhhhhh.... :: golf swing ::
BobR on 05/09/2008 15:29:52
Quote by Scoopster:
Now that's what I call running up the flagpole.
HEYyohhhhhhh.... :: golf swing ::
Comment by Raine on 05/09/2008 15:30:12
Raine on 05/09/2008 15:30:12
Quote by Scoopster:Quote by Raine:
Speaking of Nudies... Soldier Poses Nude in Playgirl to protest Patriot Act...
Support the TROOPS!!!
Now that's what I call running up the flagpole.
Comment by Shane-O on 05/09/2008 15:31:13
Oh dear. I haven't looked at a Hustler mag in about 10 years. My then g/f did a shoot for them (no, not one of the brighter times in my life) - they have articles?
Shane-O on 05/09/2008 15:31:13
Quote by livingonli:
Shane-O, do you read Hustler just for the articles?
Comment by BobR on 05/09/2008 15:33:46
BobR on 05/09/2008 15:33:46
I HATE HATE HATE this McGruff commercial!!
I have zero patience for strident over the top child singers
I have zero patience for strident over the top child singers
Comment by Shane-O on 05/09/2008 15:34:18
Do you really think it will come that quickly? I'm not so sure...
Shane-O on 05/09/2008 15:34:18
Quote by Raine:
I just saw the Video...
I think we will see an endorsemtn today at the earliest, Sunday the latest.
Comment by BobR on 05/09/2008 15:35:37
wow.
I ... um... actually can "feel your pain" to some extent...
just sayin'...
BobR on 05/09/2008 15:35:37
Quote by Shane-O:
Oh dear. I haven't looked at a Hustler mag in about 10 years. My then g/f did a shoot for them (no, not one of the brighter times in my life) - they have articles?
wow.
I ... um... actually can "feel your pain" to some extent...
just sayin'...
Comment by livingonli on 05/09/2008 15:35:58
:rofl:
livingonli on 05/09/2008 15:35:58
Quote by Shane-O:
they have articles?
:rofl:
Comment by m-hadley on 05/09/2008 15:36:44
Raine,
You're just gonna have to get over your ELITE Home-brewed Beer-drinking self
- plus I guess that is just more evidence that Barack has never been treated to a Raintini and we all know he would lurve one as soon as he sips one :D
Cheers,
mfaye
m-hadley on 05/09/2008 15:36:44
Quote by Raine:
PBR?!?!?! I cannot vote for Barack now.
Raine,
You're just gonna have to get over your ELITE Home-brewed Beer-drinking self
- plus I guess that is just more evidence that Barack has never been treated to a Raintini and we all know he would lurve one as soon as he sips one :DCheers,
mfaye
Comment by livingonli on 05/09/2008 15:37:04
Where are you hearing the McGruff PSA? I only hear the pitches for the SMS Live Blog and Stephcrap where the PSA's used to be.
livingonli on 05/09/2008 15:37:04
Quote by BobR:
I HATE HATE HATE this McGruff commercial!!
I have zero patience for strident over the top child singers
Where are you hearing the McGruff PSA? I only hear the pitches for the SMS Live Blog and Stephcrap where the PSA's used to be.
Comment by jd_in_ny on 05/09/2008 15:37:23
jd_in_ny on 05/09/2008 15:37:23
I think that Hills is grasping at whatever argument she can, and the fact that that this is an argument is ... maybe not fully racist, but arrogant certainly (thinking of that editorial) -- it assumes that the remaining white voters are going to be at least implicitly racist, it assumes that the blacks are going to vote democrat anyway...
Comment by starling310 on 05/09/2008 15:38:21
starling310 on 05/09/2008 15:38:21
WARM UP THE BUS!
Comment by BobR on 05/09/2008 15:38:37
BobR on 05/09/2008 15:38:37
Um, Bill... what does her "winning the popular vote" have to do with anything? She needs to win the delegates.
Comment by starling310 on 05/09/2008 15:41:14
starling310 on 05/09/2008 15:41:14
Woh. Woh. . . Katie....ROWR!
Comment by starling310 on 05/09/2008 15:41:45
starling310 on 05/09/2008 15:41:45
AaaaGAIN!?!? With the Gay Penguins? Yeesh.
Comment by Raine on 05/09/2008 15:41:54
HE practically called for her to drop out, he let it slip who he voted for.
I think Elizabeth is for Clinton, I do, but this was a fruedian slip, and I think he will figure out in a little while that he let the cat out of the bag.
I am sure he and She will discuss it soon, but the cat is out.
I believe that John wants a cabinet position. OR MAybe AG...
The writing is on the wall and I think that he and elizabeth know this. at this point the sooner he comes out the better.
ALSo, as much as I have stated that I do not want to see any sitting dems take a cabinet position, due to our small majority lead...I think that Hillary might make a wonderful Health and human services head.
Her potentcy is diminshing fast. I don't even see her having that much power as the Senate leader anymore.
Raine on 05/09/2008 15:41:54
Quote by Shane-O:Do you really think it will come that quickly? I'm not so sure...Quote by Raine:
I just saw the Video...
I think we will see an endorsemtn today at the earliest, Sunday the latest.
I think Elizabeth is for Clinton, I do, but this was a fruedian slip, and I think he will figure out in a little while that he let the cat out of the bag.
I am sure he and She will discuss it soon, but the cat is out.
I believe that John wants a cabinet position. OR MAybe AG...
The writing is on the wall and I think that he and elizabeth know this. at this point the sooner he comes out the better.
ALSo, as much as I have stated that I do not want to see any sitting dems take a cabinet position, due to our small majority lead...I think that Hillary might make a wonderful Health and human services head.
Her potentcy is diminshing fast. I don't even see her having that much power as the Senate leader anymore.
Comment by starling310 on 05/09/2008 15:42:35
That was my point; she is going to start touting the "importance ( pssst...all in her head ) of the Popiular Vote. If the Popular Vote mattered, Al Gore would be president.
starling310 on 05/09/2008 15:42:35
Quote by BobR:
Um, Bill... what does her "winning the popular vote" have to do with anything? She needs to win the delegates.
That was my point; she is going to start touting the "importance ( pssst...all in her head ) of the Popiular Vote. If the Popular Vote mattered, Al Gore would be president.
Comment by m-hadley on 05/09/2008 15:43:04
m-hadley on 05/09/2008 15:43:04
Rebekah can play my drums anytime, too
Cheers,
mfaye
Cheers,
mfaye
Comment by Raine on 05/09/2008 15:43:45
The Pheonix stream... supporting NOVA M!
Raine on 05/09/2008 15:43:45
Quote by livingonli:Quote by BobR:
I HATE HATE HATE this McGruff commercial!!
I have zero patience for strident over the top child singers
Where are you hearing the McGruff PSA? I only hear the pitches for the SMS Live Blog and Stephcrap where the PSA's used to be.
Comment by starling310 on 05/09/2008 15:44:36
starling310 on 05/09/2008 15:44:36
This Primary is like childbirth. . . once we have a baby nominee, we will all forget the pain.
Comment by Shane-O on 05/09/2008 15:44:45
Shane-O on 05/09/2008 15:44:45
There IS one thing I can respect Hustler for: the Falwell case - illuminating the "parody" exception in First Amendment cases.
Comment by BobR on 05/09/2008 15:45:45
I listen to the NovaM stream
BobR on 05/09/2008 15:45:45
Quote by livingonli:
Where are you hearing the McGruff PSA? I only hear the pitches for the SMS Live Blog and Stephcrap where the PSA's used to be.
I listen to the NovaM stream
Comment by starling310 on 05/09/2008 15:45:49
ha! I thought of you when Katie said that.
starling310 on 05/09/2008 15:45:49
Quote by m-hadley:
Rebekah can play my drums anytime, too
Cheers,
mfaye
ha! I thought of you when Katie said that.
Comment by Raine on 05/09/2008 15:47:18
She needs to win 90% of the popular vote in all the remaining states, I believe.
I think that is what Bill was trying to say without saying it. EVERYONE needs to vote for Hillary now.
He is going for the Hail Mary. or like in Peter Pan, if we all clap for tinkerbell...
Raine on 05/09/2008 15:47:18
Quote by starling310:Quote by BobR:
Um, Bill... what does her "winning the popular vote" have to do with anything? She needs to win the delegates.
That was my point; she is going to start touting the "importance ( pssst...all in her head ) of the Popiular Vote. If the Popular Vote mattered, Al Gore would be president.
I think that is what Bill was trying to say without saying it. EVERYONE needs to vote for Hillary now.
He is going for the Hail Mary. or like in Peter Pan, if we all clap for tinkerbell...
Comment by m-hadley on 05/09/2008 15:47:41
Thanks Starling :)
:hug:
mfaye
m-hadley on 05/09/2008 15:47:41
Quote by starling310:Quote by m-hadley:
Rebekah can play my drums anytime, too
Cheers,
mfaye
ha! I thought of you when Katie said that.
Thanks Starling :)
:hug:
mfaye
Comment by Shane-O on 05/09/2008 15:48:10
Raine - your points are all so logical. I'm just a little upset with him over his reticence to endorse thus far. I hope he does, because just as Clinton's potentcy is diminishing, so too is John Edwards'.
Shane-O on 05/09/2008 15:48:10
Quote by Raine:HE practically called for her to drop out, he let it slip who he voted for.Quote by Shane-O:Do you really think it will come that quickly? I'm not so sure...Quote by Raine:
I just saw the Video...
I think we will see an endorsemtn today at the earliest, Sunday the latest.
I think Elizabeth is for Clinton, I do, but this was a fruedian slip, and I think he will figure out in a little while that he let the cat out of the bag.
I am sure he and She will discuss it soon, but the cat is out.
I believe that John wants a cabinet position. OR MAybe AG...
The writing is on the wall and I think that he and elizabeth know this. at this point the sooner he comes out the better.
ALSo, as much as I have stated that I do not want to see any sitting dems take a cabinet position, due to our small majority lead...I think that Hillary might make a wonderful Health and human services head.
Her potentcy is diminshing fast. I don't even see her having that much power as the Senate leader anymore.
Comment by wickedpam on 05/09/2008 15:48:54
wickedpam on 05/09/2008 15:48:54
:metal:
Comment by Raine on 05/09/2008 15:50:35
It's the HAil MAry...
Raine on 05/09/2008 15:50:35
Quote by jd_in_ny:
I think that Hills is grasping at whatever argument she can, and the fact that that this is an argument is ... maybe not fully racist, but arrogant certainly (thinking of that editorial) -- it assumes that the remaining white voters are going to be at least implicitly racist, it assumes that the blacks are going to vote democrat anyway...
Comment by starling310 on 05/09/2008 15:51:03
starling310 on 05/09/2008 15:51:03
It limped to it's end. . . carrying it's mangled bicycle ove the finish line.
I crack myself up.
I crack myself up.
Comment by BobR on 05/09/2008 15:51:14
I used to live in the town where he was shot - Lawrenceville, GA...
BobR on 05/09/2008 15:51:14
Quote by Shane-O:
There IS one thing I can respect Hustler for: the Falwell case - illuminating the "parody" exception in First Amendment cases.
I used to live in the town where he was shot - Lawrenceville, GA...
Comment by livingonli on 05/09/2008 15:52:41
livingonli on 05/09/2008 15:52:41
Poor Mama. She's had a cruel life. I wonder if that's the result of turning so many boyfriends gay?
Comment by starling310 on 05/09/2008 15:52:56
Kind of like this primary.
Oh...starling...you are a stitch.
Why, thank you starling.
I am slowly losing my mind.
starling310 on 05/09/2008 15:52:56
Quote by starling310:
It limped to it's end. . . carrying it's mangled bicycle ove the finish line.
I crack myself up.
Kind of like this primary.
Oh...starling...you are a stitch.
Why, thank you starling.
I am slowly losing my mind.
Comment by Raine on 05/09/2008 15:54:41
Raine on 05/09/2008 15:54:41
Shane-O, When Edwards dropped out he said he was going to focus on poverty and he said he would be watching BOTH candidates.
I wanted an endorsement as well, believe me. But then things got skitchy.
I will never forget that he is a politician... Love him, but that is a troof (:D ) after the whole Richardson kerfluffle, I think that scared ALOT of people from making an endorsement.
Bill was a brave man, but paid a price in friendship. The Clinton campaign made a lot of things clear with the Judas comment.
I wanted an endorsement as well, believe me. But then things got skitchy.
I will never forget that he is a politician... Love him, but that is a troof (:D ) after the whole Richardson kerfluffle, I think that scared ALOT of people from making an endorsement.
Bill was a brave man, but paid a price in friendship. The Clinton campaign made a lot of things clear with the Judas comment.
Comment by Shane-O on 05/09/2008 15:55:02
Do tell! (it's not like your wife will find out )
Shane-O on 05/09/2008 15:55:02
Quote by BobR:Quote by Shane-O:
Oh dear. I haven't looked at a Hustler mag in about 10 years. My then g/f did a shoot for them (no, not one of the brighter times in my life) - they have articles?
wow.
I ... um... actually can "feel your pain" to some extent...
just sayin'...
Comment by starling310 on 05/09/2008 15:55:42
starling310 on 05/09/2008 15:55:42
Someone called in to Randi's show yesterday saying she thought Hillary might be negotiating for a Supreme Court Seat.
Comment by shelaghc on 05/09/2008 15:57:24
I'm always for the home team. Unfortunately, I never know enough about the games to do more than root....
Hmmm.... Can you forge the info? ;->
Eh, it's a paycheck. He was going over things with me this morning, then got a phone call and shut his door. I went to the bathroom, came back and waited for him to come out and finish things up for over half an hour.
Someone else called for him and I found out he'd skipped out while I was in the bathroom.
He's hard to keep track of and frequently takes things from the desk when I'm not around.
Good luck to the permanent lady! I'm out of here after Monday!
shelaghc on 05/09/2008 15:57:24
Quote by livingonli:
I can't have pets in my apartment. If I could, I would have liked to have gotten a cat.
Hi Shelagh. Still rooting for the Penguins now that they dispatched the Rangers?
I'm always for the home team. Unfortunately, I never know enough about the games to do more than root....
Quote by BobR:Quote by shelaghc:
Petfinder
Sneaking on between the doc's visits to my desk.
The problem with adoption groups is that they want a letter from your landlord saying they approve of you having a dog. Dogs aren't allowed in our apartments, but the landlord is never here, so they'll never know...
But they certainly wouldn't approve.
Hmmm.... Can you forge the info? ;->
Quote by wickedpam:
Hey Shelagh - hope things are going well at the doc office.
Eh, it's a paycheck. He was going over things with me this morning, then got a phone call and shut his door. I went to the bathroom, came back and waited for him to come out and finish things up for over half an hour.
Someone else called for him and I found out he'd skipped out while I was in the bathroom.
He's hard to keep track of and frequently takes things from the desk when I'm not around.
Good luck to the permanent lady! I'm out of here after Monday!
Comment by Raine on 05/09/2008 15:59:03
Raine on 05/09/2008 15:59:03
Quote by starling310:Quote by starling310:
It limped to it's end. . . carrying it's mangled bicycle ove the finish line.
I crack myself up.
Kind of like this primary.
Oh...starling...you are a stitch.
Why, thank you starling.
I am slowly losing my mind.
Comment by Shane-O on 05/09/2008 15:59:09
Would you agree that Richardson is in a stronger position for having made his endorsement when he did - and taking the crap for it? True, it takes guts - personally, I'm tired of politicians (i.e. NO GUTS) - and as for friends in D.C. please see the "dog" cliche.
I was a big Edwards fan - but he's lost me over the last three months.
Shane-O on 05/09/2008 15:59:09
Quote by Raine:
Shane-O, When Edwards dropped out he said he was going to focus on poverty and he said he would be watching BOTH candidates.
I wanted an endorsement as well, believe me. But then things got skitchy.
I will never forget that he is a politician... Love him, but that is a troof (:D ) after the whole Richardson kerfluffle, I think that scared ALOT of people from making an endorsement.
Bill was a brave man, but paid a price in friendship. The Clinton campaign made a lot of things clear with the Judas comment.
I was a big Edwards fan - but he's lost me over the last three months.
Comment by wickedpam on 05/09/2008 16:00:10
wickedpam on 05/09/2008 16:00:10
Quote by Raine:Quote by starling310:Quote by starling310:
It limped to it's end. . . carrying it's mangled bicycle ove the finish line.
I crack myself up.
Kind of like this primary.
Oh...starling...you are a stitch.
Why, thank you starling.
I am slowly losing my mind.
Comment by BobR on 05/09/2008 16:00:32
ex-wife was a "dancer" when we first got married, and had me take pictures (and mail them) to a certain adult magazine. They opted not to use her, possibly because she was a red-head and not particularly large upstairs.
She gave up on the dancing after a couple years, because the smoke (and drinking) every day she worked was affecting her mental and physical well-being.
BobR on 05/09/2008 16:00:32
Quote by Shane-O:
Do tell! (it's not like your wife will find out )
ex-wife was a "dancer" when we first got married, and had me take pictures (and mail them) to a certain adult magazine. They opted not to use her, possibly because she was a red-head and not particularly large upstairs.
She gave up on the dancing after a couple years, because the smoke (and drinking) every day she worked was affecting her mental and physical well-being.
Comment by Shane-O on 05/09/2008 16:00:36
That would be great!
Shane-O on 05/09/2008 16:00:36
Quote by starling310:
Someone called in to Randi's show yesterday saying she thought Hillary might be negotiating for a Supreme Court Seat.
That would be great!
Comment by Raine on 05/09/2008 16:00:55
Raine on 05/09/2008 16:00:55
Shane-o wifey already knows...
:rofl:
:rofl:
Comment by shelaghc on 05/09/2008 16:01:21
Yeah, but no one offered him a jet ski!
shelaghc on 05/09/2008 16:01:21
Quote by Shane-O: Would you agree that Richardson is in a stronger position for having made his endorsement when he did - and taking the crap for it? True, it takes guts - personally, I'm tired of politicians (i.e. NO GUTS) - and as for friends in D.C. please see the "dog" cliche.
I was a big Edwards fan - but he's lost me over the last three months.
Yeah, but no one offered him a jet ski!
Comment by livingonli on 05/09/2008 16:04:08
That's right. That was part of the deal.
livingonli on 05/09/2008 16:04:08
Quote by shelaghc:Quote by Shane-O: Would you agree that Richardson is in a stronger position for having made his endorsement when he did - and taking the crap for it? True, it takes guts - personally, I'm tired of politicians (i.e. NO GUTS) - and as for friends in D.C. please see the "dog" cliche.
I was a big Edwards fan - but he's lost me over the last three months.
Yeah, but no one offered him a jet ski!
That's right. That was part of the deal.
Comment by Shane-O on 05/09/2008 16:04:11
It's those parts of the "Hustler-esque" world (aside from the obvious main objections) that makes for so many bad outcomes.
Shane-O on 05/09/2008 16:04:11
Quote by BobR:Quote by Shane-O:
Do tell! (it's not like your wife will find out )
ex-wife was a "dancer" when we first got married, and had me take pictures (and mail them) to a certain adult magazine. They opted not to use her, possibly because she was a red-head and not particularly large upstairs.
She gave up on the dancing after a couple years, because the smoke (and drinking) every day she worked was affecting her mental and physical well-being.
Comment by Raine on 05/09/2008 16:04:36
I heard that as well, and thought I could live with that...
But her positions as of late have made me VERY nervous. Not to mention her votes in the senate. She DID vote for Roberts and Alito.
Raine on 05/09/2008 16:04:36
Quote by Shane-O:Quote by starling310:
Someone called in to Randi's show yesterday saying she thought Hillary might be negotiating for a Supreme Court Seat.
That would be great!
But her positions as of late have made me VERY nervous. Not to mention her votes in the senate. She DID vote for Roberts and Alito.
Comment by Raine on 05/09/2008 16:10:15
I think he could be kingmaker after all.
We were all hoping for him to do so by an endorsement for the popular vote...
But, I am thinking he may very well be kingmaker, the SD count os so damn close... I think he will endorse to be the man who makes it finally happen.
I love him, and I have been waiting trying to figure out wth he is doing sitting on his hands... but this is now about the SD's...
Raine on 05/09/2008 16:10:15
Quote by Shane-O:Would you agree that Richardson is in a stronger position for having made his endorsement when he did - and taking the crap for it? True, it takes guts - personally, I'm tired of politicians (i.e. NO GUTS) - and as for friends in D.C. please see the "dog" cliche.Quote by Raine:
Shane-O, When Edwards dropped out he said he was going to focus on poverty and he said he would be watching BOTH candidates.
I wanted an endorsement as well, believe me. But then things got skitchy.
I will never forget that he is a politician... Love him, but that is a troof (:D ) after the whole Richardson kerfluffle, I think that scared ALOT of people from making an endorsement.
Bill was a brave man, but paid a price in friendship. The Clinton campaign made a lot of things clear with the Judas comment.
I was a big Edwards fan - but he's lost me over the last three months.
We were all hoping for him to do so by an endorsement for the popular vote...
But, I am thinking he may very well be kingmaker, the SD count os so damn close... I think he will endorse to be the man who makes it finally happen.
I love him, and I have been waiting trying to figure out wth he is doing sitting on his hands... but this is now about the SD's...
Comment by Raine on 05/09/2008 16:12:50
Raine on 05/09/2008 16:12:50
Thom beat Rush?!?!?!
WOOHOO!!!
:banana:
:banana:
Comment by starling310 on 05/09/2008 16:15:51
starling310 on 05/09/2008 16:15:51
America having a rail system as good as Europe?!?!? Bernie! You are speaking my language.
Comment by Shane-O on 05/09/2008 16:17:08
I'm a big fan of moderate Justices. Believe it or not, I'm not totally anti-Roberts. Alito, Scalia, Thomas - NO WAY! Ginsberg, Breyer - only necessary to counteract those three. Stevens and Souter - my kind of Justices (Kennedy is just too full of himself as the split now, so he's of little use).
Clinton would be a great replacement for Stevens or Souter.
As the counter to the Winger wacko three, not so much (so not a good replacement for Ginsberg or Breyer).
Shane-O on 05/09/2008 16:17:08
Quote by Raine:I heard that as well, and thought I could live with that...Quote by Shane-O:Quote by starling310:
Someone called in to Randi's show yesterday saying she thought Hillary might be negotiating for a Supreme Court Seat.
That would be great!
But her positions as of late have made me VERY nervous. Not to mention her votes in the senate. She DID vote for Roberts and Alito.
Clinton would be a great replacement for Stevens or Souter.
As the counter to the Winger wacko three, not so much (so not a good replacement for Ginsberg or Breyer).
Comment by Raine on 05/09/2008 16:23:53
Maybe at this point they BOTH made the offer...
He is waiting for the better model!
Raine on 05/09/2008 16:23:53
Quote by livingonli:Quote by shelaghc:Quote by Shane-O: Would you agree that Richardson is in a stronger position for having made his endorsement when he did - and taking the crap for it? True, it takes guts - personally, I'm tired of politicians (i.e. NO GUTS) - and as for friends in D.C. please see the "dog" cliche.
I was a big Edwards fan - but he's lost me over the last three months.
Yeah, but no one offered him a jet ski!
That's right. That was part of the deal.
He is waiting for the better model!
Comment by shelaghc on 05/09/2008 16:24:00
Didn't Bill try to work on this during his time in office?
shelaghc on 05/09/2008 16:24:00
Quote by starling310:
America having a rail system as good as Europe?!?!? Bernie! You are speaking my language.
Didn't Bill try to work on this during his time in office?
Comment by starling310 on 05/09/2008 16:27:49
Did he? I don't know. I was an oblivious college student.
I could afford to be oblivious because of the peace and prosperity that existed during the Clinton administration.
starling310 on 05/09/2008 16:27:49
Quote by shelaghc:Quote by starling310:
America having a rail system as good as Europe?!?!? Bernie! You are speaking my language.
Didn't Bill try to work on this during his time in office?
Did he? I don't know. I was an oblivious college student.
I could afford to be oblivious because of the peace and prosperity that existed during the Clinton administration.
Comment by jd_in_ny on 05/09/2008 16:33:05
jd_in_ny on 05/09/2008 16:33:05
I thought of Hillary as Sec of DHHS this morning - I'd get behind that
But I'm wary to support a Supreme Court nomination - Hillary is a politician. She hasn't focused on straight legal analysis in years and years. Her strengths lie in being a policy wonk, and that's where we should use her. just imho.
But I'm wary to support a Supreme Court nomination - Hillary is a politician. She hasn't focused on straight legal analysis in years and years. Her strengths lie in being a policy wonk, and that's where we should use her. just imho.
Comment by Raine on 05/09/2008 16:34:38
Raine on 05/09/2008 16:34:38
I don't really think that Roberts and Alito are moderate at all. I agree about moderate SCOTUS justices.
It is amazing to me that Souter and O'Connor were nominated by Bush 1 & RayGun... Shows how far right an partisan this has become.
Maybe after *ush is out of office, we will see a transformation of those 2, the way we did with O'connor.
I am REALLY worried about the SCOTUS for this election, at the least 2 people are WAITING to step down..
But in all seriousness, it looks like 4 opening will be happening in the next four years.
It is amazing to me that Souter and O'Connor were nominated by Bush 1 & RayGun... Shows how far right an partisan this has become.
Maybe after *ush is out of office, we will see a transformation of those 2, the way we did with O'connor.
I am REALLY worried about the SCOTUS for this election, at the least 2 people are WAITING to step down..
But in all seriousness, it looks like 4 opening will be happening in the next four years.
Comment by Raine on 05/09/2008 16:38:24
That is a great point.
People who are appointed the scotus need to show a record of objectivity.
Raine on 05/09/2008 16:38:24
Quote by jd_in_ny:
I thought of Hillary as Sec of DHHS this morning - I'd get behind that
But I'm wary to support a Supreme Court nomination - Hillary is a politician. She hasn't focused on straight legal analysis in years and years. Her strengths lie in being a policy wonk, and that's where we should use her. just imho.
People who are appointed the scotus need to show a record of objectivity.
Comment by Raine on 05/09/2008 16:41:59
OMG... non sequitor...
The penis has no rhythm.
Raine on 05/09/2008 16:41:59
Quote by Raine:
Thom beat Rush?!?!?!WOOHOO!!!
:banana:
The penis has no rhythm.
Comment by Shane-O on 05/09/2008 16:43:47
SCOTUS is the biggest issue (for me) in this election.
I agree - Alito - not moderate. However, Roberts - I think he is.
I was never a big fan of O'Connor - but that would take way too long to write about and be way too boring to read.
Given your comments, Raine, you might be interested in this (if you aren't already aware of it). The Overton Window.
It's a possible explanation of how Ed Shultz can be called a "left-wing loon" by some, and even Chris Lavoie can be labeled a "right-wing tool."
Shane-O on 05/09/2008 16:43:47
Quote by Raine:
I don't really think that Roberts and Alito are moderate at all. I agree about moderate SCOTUS justices.
It is amazing to me that Souter and O'Connor were nominated by Bush 1 & RayGun... Shows how far right an partisan this has become.
Maybe after *ush is out of office, we will see a transformation of those 2, the way we did with O'connor.
I am REALLY worried about the SCOTUS for this election, at the least 2 people are WAITING to step down..
But in all seriousness, it looks like 4 opening will be happening in the next four years.
I agree - Alito - not moderate. However, Roberts - I think he is.
I was never a big fan of O'Connor - but that would take way too long to write about and be way too boring to read.
Given your comments, Raine, you might be interested in this (if you aren't already aware of it). The Overton Window.
It's a possible explanation of how Ed Shultz can be called a "left-wing loon" by some, and even Chris Lavoie can be labeled a "right-wing tool."
Comment by wickedpam on 05/09/2008 16:50:34
wickedpam on 05/09/2008 16:50:34
Fossella Admits He Had an Extramarital Affair
You notice when it's a Dem they have to resign right then and there but when it's a Rep they get to make decision.
Representative John A. Boehner of Ohio, the House Republican leader, said Mr. Fossella would have to make his own choice. “I think Mr. Fossella is going to have some decisions to make over the weekend,” Mr. Boehner told reporters.
He added that it was up to Mr. Fossella and “his family and his constituents.”
You notice when it's a Dem they have to resign right then and there but when it's a Rep they get to make decision.
Comment by right wing hater on 05/09/2008 16:53:21
Be very afraid if John McBush & the GOP steal this election....
Right now...'depending on the issue' the SCOTUS is 5-4 moderate/liberal - conservative. And its a stretch to call any of the 5 'liberal'....
This country will cease to exist/function with a 7-2 con-servative majority.
Among the casualties of this scenario...Reproductive rights, Environment, Regulation of any magnitude, the value of the dollar will become the new peso, corporate ownership of virtually anything/everything....
The profound importance of this election CAN NOT BE UNDERSTATED. This is by leaps & bounds more important than 2000, multiply it by 1,000X...
Roberts - is a born & bred corporatist, and a staunch federalist (ie, cutesy neo-con cover word for corporate monarchy - King/executive power/dicatorship). His firm before he joined the Bush Crime family defended CEO of worldcom during their corporate scandals & malfeasance in 2002. Basically he's never met a corporation he didn't like. To call him moderate is bad comedy. Put it this way...he was endorsed by James "Tinkywinky, Soy, & crying make you gay" Dobson and his total BS front organization 'Focus on the Family' (a contradiction in terms if there ever was one)...buh bye abortion, hello abstinence & creationism mandatory education.
Alito....lol. When he was first referred to as Sca-lito, that should have set off the 5 alarm red alerts... Talk about a literal federalist, if he could have anointed Bush king on his first day on the job, it would have been done before morning coffee...He's a slightly less chunky version of Scalia...with a slightly better temperament. Basically he's Scalia-lite and that says something all by itself.
Right now...'depending on the issue' the SCOTUS is 5-4 moderate/liberal - conservative. And its a stretch to call any of the 5 'liberal'....
This country will cease to exist/function with a 7-2 con-servative majority.
Among the casualties of this scenario...Reproductive rights, Environment, Regulation of any magnitude, the value of the dollar will become the new peso, corporate ownership of virtually anything/everything....
The profound importance of this election CAN NOT BE UNDERSTATED. This is by leaps & bounds more important than 2000, multiply it by 1,000X...
Roberts - is a born & bred corporatist, and a staunch federalist (ie, cutesy neo-con cover word for corporate monarchy - King/executive power/dicatorship). His firm before he joined the Bush Crime family defended CEO of worldcom during their corporate scandals & malfeasance in 2002. Basically he's never met a corporation he didn't like. To call him moderate is bad comedy. Put it this way...he was endorsed by James "Tinkywinky, Soy, & crying make you gay" Dobson and his total BS front organization 'Focus on the Family' (a contradiction in terms if there ever was one)...buh bye abortion, hello abstinence & creationism mandatory education.
Alito....lol. When he was first referred to as Sca-lito, that should have set off the 5 alarm red alerts... Talk about a literal federalist, if he could have anointed Bush king on his first day on the job, it would have been done before morning coffee...He's a slightly less chunky version of Scalia...with a slightly better temperament. Basically he's Scalia-lite and that says something all by itself.
Comment by Raine on 05/09/2008 16:59:21
Raine on 05/09/2008 16:59:21
Thanks for that link, Shane-0.
My goodness, it clarifies an awful lot of what I say about how important it is to have people at both sides of the spectrum pulling equally.
When people accuse me of being some radical left, I often tell them it is only so we can get this country on better balance. Not EVERYONE has to be a freakin radical, but we need to get things balanced. We need to shif t the middle back to where it belongs.. the middle.
That may never make me a centrist... but at least I can feel comfortable knowing that we have balance in this country, and THAT I can live with.
My goodness, it clarifies an awful lot of what I say about how important it is to have people at both sides of the spectrum pulling equally.
When people accuse me of being some radical left, I often tell them it is only so we can get this country on better balance. Not EVERYONE has to be a freakin radical, but we need to get things balanced. We need to shif t the middle back to where it belongs.. the middle.
That may never make me a centrist... but at least I can feel comfortable knowing that we have balance in this country, and THAT I can live with.
Comment by Raine on 05/09/2008 17:06:10
hypocrisy, thy name is Republican.
David Vitter on line one to the BONER.
Raine on 05/09/2008 17:06:10
Quote by wickedpam:
Fossella Admits He Had an Extramarital AffairI posted it yesterday, butRepresentative John A. Boehner of Ohio, the House Republican leader, said Mr. Fossella would have to make his own choice. “I think Mr. Fossella is going to have some decisions to make over the weekend,” Mr. Boehner told reporters.
He added that it was up to Mr. Fossella and “his family and his constituents.”
You notice when it's a Dem they have to resign right then and there but when it's a Rep they get to make decision.
David Vitter on line one to the BONER.
Comment by livingonli on 05/09/2008 17:07:29
I do feel more and more that the far left needs to get out there to balance the far right and move political discourse back to the center in this country. The right has basically dominated political discourse in this country since Ray-Gun's been President and the Democratic Party by saying they can't be seen as "too left" has contributed to the problem with the DLC and its ilk. If ANSWER was getting as much if not more air time than Focus on the Family maybe political discourse would be less toxic in this country.
livingonli on 05/09/2008 17:07:29
Quote by Shane-O:SCOTUS is the biggest issue (for me) in this election.Quote by Raine:
I don't really think that Roberts and Alito are moderate at all. I agree about moderate SCOTUS justices.
It is amazing to me that Souter and O'Connor were nominated by Bush 1 & RayGun... Shows how far right an partisan this has become.
Maybe after *ush is out of office, we will see a transformation of those 2, the way we did with O'connor.
I am REALLY worried about the SCOTUS for this election, at the least 2 people are WAITING to step down..
But in all seriousness, it looks like 4 opening will be happening in the next four years.
I agree - Alito - not moderate. However, Roberts - I think he is.
I was never a big fan of O'Connor - but that would take way too long to write about and be way too boring to read.
Given your comments, Raine, you might be interested in this (if you aren't already aware of it). The Overton Window.
It's a possible explanation of how Ed Shultz can be called a "left-wing loon" by some, and even Chris Lavoie can be labeled a "right-wing tool."
I do feel more and more that the far left needs to get out there to balance the far right and move political discourse back to the center in this country. The right has basically dominated political discourse in this country since Ray-Gun's been President and the Democratic Party by saying they can't be seen as "too left" has contributed to the problem with the DLC and its ilk. If ANSWER was getting as much if not more air time than Focus on the Family maybe political discourse would be less toxic in this country.
Comment by Shane-O on 05/09/2008 17:08:52
Sorry, I can't let this one go, RWH.
Granted, a persons' concept of who is "moderate" or "extreme" depends on where they personally stand on the political spectrum. However, "corporatist"? Again, depending on where you stand, one might call it "capitalist." Indeed, many grave ills have come from extreme capitalist philosophy, however, a vacuum of competition (i.e. socialism) isn't feasable - given the human condition (particularly today!)
And on the Dobson endorsement of Roberts - that means as much to me as Hamas endorsing Obama.
Shane-O on 05/09/2008 17:08:52
Quote by right wing hater:
Be very afraid if John McBush & the GOP steal this election....
Right now...'depending on the issue' the SCOTUS is 5-4 moderate/liberal - conservative. And its a stretch to call any of the 5 'liberal'....
This country will cease to exist/function with a 7-2 con-servative majority.
Among the casualties of this scenario...Reproductive rights, Environment, Regulation of any magnitude, the value of the dollar will become the new peso, corporate ownership of virtually anything/everything....
The profound importance of this election CAN NOT BE UNDERSTATED. This is by leaps & bounds more important than 2000, multiply it by 1,000X...
Roberts - is a born & bred corporatist, and a staunch federalist (ie, cutesy neo-con cover word for corporate monarchy - King/executive power/dicatorship). His firm before he joined the Bush Crime family defended CEO of worldcom during their corporate scandals & malfeasance in 2002. Basically he's never met a corporation he didn't like. To call him moderate is bad comedy. Put it this way...he was endorsed by James "Tinkywinky, Soy, & crying make you gay" Dobson and his total BS front organization 'Focus on the Family' (a contradiction in terms if there ever was one)...buh bye abortion, hello abstinence & creationism mandatory education.
Alito....lol. When he was first referred to as Sca-lito, that should have set off the 5 alarm red alerts... Talk about a literal federalist, if he could have anointed Bush king on his first day on the job, it would have been done before morning coffee...He's a slightly less chunky version of Scalia...with a slightly better temperament. Basically he's Scalia-lite and that says something all by itself.
Granted, a persons' concept of who is "moderate" or "extreme" depends on where they personally stand on the political spectrum. However, "corporatist"? Again, depending on where you stand, one might call it "capitalist." Indeed, many grave ills have come from extreme capitalist philosophy, however, a vacuum of competition (i.e. socialism) isn't feasable - given the human condition (particularly today!)
And on the Dobson endorsement of Roberts - that means as much to me as Hamas endorsing Obama.
Comment by livingonli on 05/09/2008 17:09:15
Adam. Sandler. must. DIE!
:pirate:
livingonli on 05/09/2008 17:09:15
Quote by shelaghc:
Be afraid.
Be very afraid.
The Gong Show Returns
Adam. Sandler. must. DIE!
:pirate:
Comment by Shane-O on 05/09/2008 17:15:10
It's all relative. And as this country has jerked to the Right in the wake of 9/11 - the people once known as "moderates" are now "left-wing loons."
I don't care about the label (I still hold the same ideals) - but the MSM does.
The Overton Window is just a way to explain it.
Thankfully, our institutions are solid enough to avoid Crane Brinton's theory - because the shift in sentiments and the general unrest today would otherwise be difficult.
Shane-O on 05/09/2008 17:15:10
Quote by Raine:
Thanks for that link, Shane-0.
My goodness, it clarifies an awful lot of what I say about how important it is to have people at both sides of the spectrum pulling equally.
When people accuse me of being some radical left, I often tell them it is only so we can get this country on better balance. Not EVERYONE has to be a freakin radical, but we need to get things balanced. We need to shif t the middle back to where it belongs.. the middle.
That may never make me a centrist... but at least I can feel comfortable knowing that we have balance in this country, and THAT I can live with.
I don't care about the label (I still hold the same ideals) - but the MSM does.
The Overton Window is just a way to explain it.
Thankfully, our institutions are solid enough to avoid Crane Brinton's theory - because the shift in sentiments and the general unrest today would otherwise be difficult.
Comment by wickedpam on 05/09/2008 17:16:16
Oops sorry missed you posting it :redface:
I'm gettinr very tired of the double standard. It's like we have no back bone to say "yeah I screwed up but it has nothing to do with my job so I'm staying."
wickedpam on 05/09/2008 17:16:16
Quote by Raine:hypocrisy, thy name is Republican.Quote by wickedpam:
Fossella Admits He Had an Extramarital AffairI posted it yesterday, butRepresentative John A. Boehner of Ohio, the House Republican leader, said Mr. Fossella would have to make his own choice. “I think Mr. Fossella is going to have some decisions to make over the weekend,” Mr. Boehner told reporters.
He added that it was up to Mr. Fossella and “his family and his constituents.”
You notice when it's a Dem they have to resign right then and there but when it's a Rep they get to make decision.
David Vitter on line one to the BONER.
Oops sorry missed you posting it :redface:
I'm gettinr very tired of the double standard. It's like we have no back bone to say "yeah I screwed up but it has nothing to do with my job so I'm staying."
Comment by Raine on 05/09/2008 17:23:41
Raine on 05/09/2008 17:23:41
Shane-0, I gotta add to this...
Here is a big reason why I do not think Roberts is a moderate. During the First Bush Adminstration, Roberts helped to author Rust v. Sullivan, that argued Roe v. Wade should be overturned.
That is one reason.
Here is a big reason why I do not think Roberts is a moderate. During the First Bush Adminstration, Roberts helped to author Rust v. Sullivan, that argued Roe v. Wade should be overturned.
That is one reason.
Comment by Shane-O on 05/09/2008 17:25:09
Shane-O on 05/09/2008 17:25:09
Can anyone tell I have the day off
I'm awfully mouthy today...
I'm awfully mouthy today...
Comment by Mondobubba on 05/09/2008 17:25:18
Mondobubba on 05/09/2008 17:25:18
Back from the deposition store. Two hours of our lives we will never get back. My sister-in-law has gone totally insane.
Comment by Mondobubba on 05/09/2008 17:29:05
: shudder: Even worse, hosted by Dave Attell.
Mondobubba on 05/09/2008 17:29:05
Quote by shelaghc:
Be afraid.
Be very afraid.
The Gong Show Returns
: shudder: Even worse, hosted by Dave Attell.
Comment by Raine on 05/09/2008 17:35:42
I wouldn't call it that...
if I did, then oh dear...:unsure: what would that make me?
YEah, I know... it would make me the biggest loudmouth ever.... so nothing would be different. :D
Raine on 05/09/2008 17:35:42
Quote by Shane-O:
Can anyone tell I have the day off
I'm awfully mouthy today...
I wouldn't call it that... if I did, then oh dear...:unsure: what would that make me?
YEah, I know... it would make me the biggest loudmouth ever.... so nothing would be different. :D
Comment by Shane-O on 05/09/2008 17:40:15
There is a difference between overruling the outcome of Roe (choice) and questioning the legal reasoning of it (one of my problems with O'Connor - see below - i.e. Casey). There is no Right to Choose in the Constitution - similarly, there is no Right to Privacy (that was born out of the Third Amendment - the only time that one was ever pertinent).
I really don't believe (and I may be wrong!) that Roberts was questioning the outcome of Roe, rather, its legal foundation. And there is none.
Should there be a Right to Privacy - YES! Should there be a Right to Choose - YES! That's one of the many problems with our Constitution. It irks me that so many are so in love with the U.S. Constitution. It's a dead document. In addition, the drafters got SO MUCH WRONG. Also, they contemplated regular Constitutional Conventions in the future to amend it - knowing that times would render it less useful.
Roberts was simply applying the U.S. Constitution to Title X (which I also hate). Pure legal analysis - not partisan.
It's the Altios, Scalias, Thomas' and O'Connors who are presented "A" then jump to the political decision of "Z" and make up "B" to "Y" to justify it. Roberts isn't that.
Shane-O on 05/09/2008 17:40:15
Quote by Raine:
Shane-0, I gotta add to this...
Here is a big reason why I do not think Roberts is a moderate. During the First Bush Adminstration, Roberthelped to author Rust v. Sullivan, that argued Roe v. Wade should be overturned.
That is one reason.
I really don't believe (and I may be wrong!) that Roberts was questioning the outcome of Roe, rather, its legal foundation. And there is none.
Should there be a Right to Privacy - YES! Should there be a Right to Choose - YES! That's one of the many problems with our Constitution. It irks me that so many are so in love with the U.S. Constitution. It's a dead document. In addition, the drafters got SO MUCH WRONG. Also, they contemplated regular Constitutional Conventions in the future to amend it - knowing that times would render it less useful.
Roberts was simply applying the U.S. Constitution to Title X (which I also hate). Pure legal analysis - not partisan.
It's the Altios, Scalias, Thomas' and O'Connors who are presented "A" then jump to the political decision of "Z" and make up "B" to "Y" to justify it. Roberts isn't that.
Comment by Mondobubba on 05/09/2008 17:42:33
Well it is fire ant season. They are invasive and need to die. But that is just me.
Mondobubba on 05/09/2008 17:42:33
Quote by starling310:
The Androw Ant Block guy is back.
"Ants take bait back their home where they eat it AND DIE!"
Well it is fire ant season. They are invasive and need to die. But that is just me.
Comment by Raine on 05/09/2008 17:51:38
hmmm... OK... I need to think about what you are saying. I think I understand your point.
I am going out for a walk... I was planning on it anyway...
But you make an interesting point, Shane. I will be back in a few everyone, it is loverly today and I must get some sun.
Raine on 05/09/2008 17:51:38
Quote by Shane-O:There is a difference between overruling the outcome of Roe (choice) and questioning the legal reasoning of it (one of my problems with O'Connor - see below - i.e. Casey). There is no Right to Choose in the Constitution - similarly, there is no Right to Privacy (that was born out of the Third Amendment - the only time that one was ever pertinent).Quote by Raine:
Shane-0, I gotta add to this...
Here is a big reason why I do not think Roberts is a moderate. During the First Bush Adminstration, Roberthelped to author Rust v. Sullivan, that argued Roe v. Wade should be overturned.
That is one reason.
I really don't believe (and I may be wrong!) that Roberts was questioning the outcome of Roe, rather, its legal foundation. And there is none.
Should there be a Right to Privacy - YES! Should there be a Right to Choose - YES! That's one of the many problems with our Constitution. It irks me that so many are so in love with the U.S. Constitution. It's a dead document. In addition, the drafters got SO MUCH WRONG. Also, they contemplated regular Constitutional Conventions in the future to amend it - knowing that times would render it less useful.
Roberts was simply applying the U.S. Constitution to Title X (which I also hate). Pure legal analysis - not partisan.
It's the Altios, Scalias, Thomas' and O'Connors who are presented "A" then jump to the political decision of "Z" and make up "B" to "Y" to justify it. Roberts isn't that.
I am going out for a walk... I was planning on it anyway...
But you make an interesting point, Shane. I will be back in a few everyone, it is loverly today and I must get some sun.
Comment by Shane-O on 05/09/2008 17:54:36
Shane-O on 05/09/2008 17:54:36
BTW - not only is Steph booked for LKL tonight, but Ed Shultz will be on - and ... Lanny Davis and Terry MacAuliffe - lots of fun to be had there!!!
Comment by Mondobubba on 05/09/2008 17:57:07
Mondobubba on 05/09/2008 17:57:07
No love for Speed Racer:
Salon:
Salon: You know a movie is going nowhere fast when its monkey doesn't make you laugh
Washington Post:
Speed Racer is stuck on fast track to nowhere.
Salon:
Salon: You know a movie is going nowhere fast when its monkey doesn't make you laugh
Washington Post:
Speed Racer is stuck on fast track to nowhere.
Comment by 
TriSec on 05/09/2008 17:59:34
TriSec on 05/09/2008 17:59:34
hello???
Comment by Scoopster on 05/09/2008 17:59:50
Scoopster on 05/09/2008 17:59:50
Comment by right wing hater on 05/09/2008 18:09:50
Hey Shane-O,
I can appreciate what you said above. I agree on your comment regarding person's viewpoint on who is 'moderate'/liberal based on their own bias/viewpoint.
A true definition of corporatist is something that is lacking. For the purposes of my attributing it to Roberts, I can clarify it a little bit better. I believe, that Roberts is in the sector/segment of society that finds the structure & 'corporate concept' to be the guiding principle for a social hierarchy/class system. Call it a class system based on the pyramid structure of a general corporation. Where the Board members are the 'owners' and the CEO is the King. Some people buy into the idea that a corporation is efficient and infallible in its design and believe the world should be run by that concept. I believe Mr. Roberts is in that camp.
I have no problem with capitalism, unless its unregulated, that is a recipe for disaster. I actually believe the best ruling system/economic system is found in northern Europe, most specifically Scandinavian countries. They have a form of democratic socialism, where there is no impediment on how much a person can earn (like a capitalist structure), yet because of the political system, monopolies are mostly non-existent, the wealth of the society is not a pyramid or an hour glass, it is a we society, not a me society. I honestly believe that type of culture will prevail unlike our consumer driven/consumption driven society. If you know of Bernie Sanders (I-VT), put me in his corner.
No one who completely believes in the 'free market' can point to a single society or nation that has run both the economic & political systems sucessfully using only that notion/concept. In all honesty, call me a Thom Hartmann/David Sirota disciple, but I don't even believe in the notion of a 'free market'. Ancient Egypt had 'taxes'....to find any true semblance of a 'free market' you would have to go back in time to after the isolated tribal - hunter/gatherer days, when societies transitioned to trading, etc.
In regard to the endorsement, yeah, that's true. However his actions since taking the bench speak volumes, he voted in favor of Exxon Mobil not fulfilling their obligations to pay the punitive damages/enforce them to cleanup the destruction from the Valdez disaster. And that's only one, there are several other decisions that would suggest he's no moderate.
It could be argued that China is now a communist (politically) free market/capitalist society. I recommend reading Ravi Batra & David Cay Johnston.
Put it this way...I love democracy as a political system, wouldn't want anything other than that (well maybe something a little closer to British Parliamentary system). I love capitalism, as long as its regulated & monopolies are prohibited. I believe the 'free market' is a bag of magic beans that way, way too many people buy without questioning its consequences.
Sorry, I can't let this one go, RWH.
Granted, a persons' concept of who is "moderate" or "extreme" depends on where they personally stand on the political spectrum. However, "corporatist"? Again, depending on where you stand, one might call it "capitalist." Indeed, many grave ills have come from extreme capitalist philosophy, however, a vacuum of competition (i.e. socialism) isn't feasable - given the human condition (particularly today!)
And on the Dobson endorsement of Roberts - that means as much to me as Hamas endorsing Obama.
Hey Shane-O,
I can appreciate what you said above. I agree on your comment regarding person's viewpoint on who is 'moderate'/liberal based on their own bias/viewpoint.
A true definition of corporatist is something that is lacking. For the purposes of my attributing it to Roberts, I can clarify it a little bit better. I believe, that Roberts is in the sector/segment of society that finds the structure & 'corporate concept' to be the guiding principle for a social hierarchy/class system. Call it a class system based on the pyramid structure of a general corporation. Where the Board members are the 'owners' and the CEO is the King. Some people buy into the idea that a corporation is efficient and infallible in its design and believe the world should be run by that concept. I believe Mr. Roberts is in that camp.
I have no problem with capitalism, unless its unregulated, that is a recipe for disaster. I actually believe the best ruling system/economic system is found in northern Europe, most specifically Scandinavian countries. They have a form of democratic socialism, where there is no impediment on how much a person can earn (like a capitalist structure), yet because of the political system, monopolies are mostly non-existent, the wealth of the society is not a pyramid or an hour glass, it is a we society, not a me society. I honestly believe that type of culture will prevail unlike our consumer driven/consumption driven society. If you know of Bernie Sanders (I-VT), put me in his corner.
No one who completely believes in the 'free market' can point to a single society or nation that has run both the economic & political systems sucessfully using only that notion/concept. In all honesty, call me a Thom Hartmann/David Sirota disciple, but I don't even believe in the notion of a 'free market'. Ancient Egypt had 'taxes'....to find any true semblance of a 'free market' you would have to go back in time to after the isolated tribal - hunter/gatherer days, when societies transitioned to trading, etc.
In regard to the endorsement, yeah, that's true. However his actions since taking the bench speak volumes, he voted in favor of Exxon Mobil not fulfilling their obligations to pay the punitive damages/enforce them to cleanup the destruction from the Valdez disaster. And that's only one, there are several other decisions that would suggest he's no moderate.
It could be argued that China is now a communist (politically) free market/capitalist society. I recommend reading Ravi Batra & David Cay Johnston.
Put it this way...I love democracy as a political system, wouldn't want anything other than that (well maybe something a little closer to British Parliamentary system). I love capitalism, as long as its regulated & monopolies are prohibited. I believe the 'free market' is a bag of magic beans that way, way too many people buy without questioning its consequences.
Comment by right wing hater on 05/09/2008 18:16:52
Oh...btw....I'm the only one left at the office...everyone else is enjoying company sponsored function. Free booze & food.
But hey...I got drafted and I'll get comp time for another day :)
But hey...I got drafted and I'll get comp time for another day :)
Comment by livingonli on 05/09/2008 18:45:17
livingonli on 05/09/2008 18:45:17
I think that maybe we could work on impeaching Scalia and Thomas for violating judicial ethics by not recusing themselves by voting in Bush v. Gore even though both of them had relatives in the Bush camp. Scalia's son was working with the Bush legal team while Thomas' wife was involved in the Bush transition team picking out people for Chimpy's cabinet.
And Scalia voting on the Cheney case after going on a fishing trip with him indicates that Scalia is a repeat offender in violating judicial ethics.
And Scalia voting on the Cheney case after going on a fishing trip with him indicates that Scalia is a repeat offender in violating judicial ethics.
Comment by livingonli on 05/09/2008 18:48:28
Speed Racer got 34% on Rotten Tomatoes.
But, hey, What Happens in Vegas only got 27%.
livingonli on 05/09/2008 18:48:28
Quote by Mondobubba:
No love for Speed Racer:
Salon:
Salon: You know a movie is going nowhere fast when its monkey doesn't make you laugh
Washington Post:
Speed Racer is stuck on fast track to nowhere.
Speed Racer got 34% on Rotten Tomatoes.
But, hey, What Happens in Vegas only got 27%.
Comment by right wing hater on 05/09/2008 18:55:31
Hey living & Mondo....
I have a feeling that Speed Racer is going to turn into the 'Thunderbirds' remake that Johnathan Frakes did...a few years back...
I have a feeling that Speed Racer is going to turn into the 'Thunderbirds' remake that Johnathan Frakes did...a few years back...
Comment by Shane-O on 05/09/2008 18:56:20
Shane-O on 05/09/2008 18:56:20
RWH - I think we agree on more than we might disagree. Amen to the content of your comment, below.
Please allow me to buttress your remarks re: democratic socialism and regulation.
I too prefer the democratic socialist model - and, when you speak of corporatism, perhaps the true problem is the fact that in the U.S. we (the government) have (has) shifted nearly all the risk (the alleged check against corporate malfeasance - as opposed to regulation) away from corporations (through deregulation and via bail outs) and placed the cost firmly on the citizens.
Your points are well taken re: Roberts and his capitalistic tendencies. Does that alone make him a Winger, arguable - but possible.
Please allow me to buttress your remarks re: democratic socialism and regulation.
I too prefer the democratic socialist model - and, when you speak of corporatism, perhaps the true problem is the fact that in the U.S. we (the government) have (has) shifted nearly all the risk (the alleged check against corporate malfeasance - as opposed to regulation) away from corporations (through deregulation and via bail outs) and placed the cost firmly on the citizens.
Your points are well taken re: Roberts and his capitalistic tendencies. Does that alone make him a Winger, arguable - but possible.
Comment by Scoopster on 05/09/2008 19:02:27
Well tbh I look at it this way.. Scalia is 72 years old right now. If we started hearings that would eventually lead to impeachment on January 21 2009, theoretically he could be DEAD by the time anything actually happened. I think we should probably just leave him be at this point, and hope he would go away naturally during a Democratic presidency. That would at least give us some leverage against the younger Roberts-Alito-Thomas axis.
Also, rather than trying to deal with Thomas I think we should focus more on replacements for Stevens and Ginsburg, and possibly Kennedy, during what will hopefully be an Obama Administration. Shoring up these justices with solidly progressive replacements is more important than going after Thomas, because what if we lose the presidency again and a Repub does get the chance to move the court towards 7-2..
Scoopster on 05/09/2008 19:02:27
Quote by livingonli:
I think that maybe we could work on impeaching Scalia and Thomas for violating judicial ethics by not recusing themselves by voting in Bush v. Gore even though both of them had relatives in the Bush camp. Scalia's son was working with the Bush legal team while Thomas' wife was involved in the Bush transition team picking out people for Chimpy's cabinet.
And Scalia voting on the Cheney case after going on a fishing trip with him indicates that Scalia is a repeat offender in violating judicial ethics.
Well tbh I look at it this way.. Scalia is 72 years old right now. If we started hearings that would eventually lead to impeachment on January 21 2009, theoretically he could be DEAD by the time anything actually happened. I think we should probably just leave him be at this point, and hope he would go away naturally during a Democratic presidency. That would at least give us some leverage against the younger Roberts-Alito-Thomas axis.
Also, rather than trying to deal with Thomas I think we should focus more on replacements for Stevens and Ginsburg, and possibly Kennedy, during what will hopefully be an Obama Administration. Shoring up these justices with solidly progressive replacements is more important than going after Thomas, because what if we lose the presidency again and a Repub does get the chance to move the court towards 7-2..
Comment by livingonli on 05/09/2008 19:04:35
livingonli on 05/09/2008 19:04:35
Hi RWH. It looks like Jonathan Frakes should have just kept his directing ventures with the Star Trek franchise.
Although I am a little nervous about that next movie. Berman and Company have really run Trek into the ground.
Although I am a little nervous about that next movie. Berman and Company have really run Trek into the ground.
Comment by 
velveeta jones on 05/09/2008 19:06:09
velveeta jones on 05/09/2008 19:06:09
: peeks into blog, hesitantly :
Velveeta ain't got no teevee or radio on. But word on the street (heh) is BO got some more SD's. Any truth to this? I'm laying low due to sanity issues..............
Velveeta ain't got no teevee or radio on. But word on the street (heh) is BO got some more SD's. Any truth to this? I'm laying low due to sanity issues..............
Comment by Mondobubba on 05/09/2008 19:07:41
Mondobubba on 05/09/2008 19:07:41
:rofl: Reno 911 "have ever run 55 kilometers with a hard biscuit strapped to your taint?
Reno 911 "have ever run 55 kilometers with a hard biscuit strapped to your taint?
Comment by right wing hater on 05/09/2008 19:08:38
Shane-O....good stuff. Yeah, I think absolutists harm the discourse between 'liberals' and 'con-servatives' (my bias is clear, as I believe modern conservatism, ie William Buckley style post 50s is in fact a 'con'). There are very, very few ideas I agree with when talking about con-servative viewpoints, but there are a couple.
Honestly, I don't mind Goldwater/Eisenhower/T Roosevelt Republicans & con-servatives and in fact enjoy discussing topics with them. Its the 'modern con-servatism' bots out there that I have MAJOR issues with.
By the way, I understand from Bob & Raine that you're the sound guy...
Any chance you could put together a small 'database' of bushisms for a countdown until 1-20-09???
Honestly, I don't mind Goldwater/Eisenhower/T Roosevelt Republicans & con-servatives and in fact enjoy discussing topics with them. Its the 'modern con-servatism' bots out there that I have MAJOR issues with.
By the way, I understand from Bob & Raine that you're the sound guy...
Any chance you could put together a small 'database' of bushisms for a countdown until 1-20-09???
Comment by Raine on 05/09/2008 19:10:50
It's Friday ya bastahds!!!
:boobs2: :boobs::boobs2: :boobs::boobs2: :boobs::boobs2:
:boobs2:
:martini:
:guitar:
:boobs2: :boobs::boobs2: :boobs::boobs2: :boobs::boobs2:
:boobs2: :boobs::boobs2: :boobs::boobs2: :boobs::boobs2:
:bouncer::penis::bouncer::penis:
BOUNCE!!!
Raine on 05/09/2008 19:10:50
:boobs2: :boobs::boobs2: :boobs::boobs2: :boobs::boobs2:
:boobs2:
:martini:
:guitar::boobs2: :boobs::boobs2: :boobs::boobs2: :boobs::boobs2:
:boobs2: :boobs::boobs2: :boobs::boobs2: :boobs::boobs2:
:bouncer::penis::bouncer::penis:
BOUNCE!!!
Comment by right wing hater on 05/09/2008 19:11:36
Hey living, I agree. I just hope that Abrams doesn't turn the next movie into Star Wars meets Star Trek. I'm all for spicing it up, but don't kill the premise/formula/canon
Quote by livingonli:
Hi RWH. It looks like Jonathan Frakes should have just kept his directing ventures with the Star Trek franchise.
Although I am a little nervous about that next movie. Berman and Company have really run Trek into the ground.
Hey living, I agree. I just hope that Abrams doesn't turn the next movie into Star Wars meets Star Trek. I'm all for spicing it up, but don't kill the premise/formula/canon
Comment by wickedpam on 05/09/2008 19:12:10
I knew from the first commercial it wasn't going to be any good. They took it out of the "real" racing arena and made it all fantastical and futuristic. THey should have left it alone.
wickedpam on 05/09/2008 19:12:10
Quote by Mondobubba:
No love for Speed Racer:
Salon:
Salon: You know a movie is going nowhere fast when its monkey doesn't make you laugh
Washington Post:
Speed Racer is stuck on fast track to nowhere.
I knew from the first commercial it wasn't going to be any good. They took it out of the "real" racing arena and made it all fantastical and futuristic. THey should have left it alone.
Comment by wickedpam on 05/09/2008 19:12:52
Better late then never. :D
wickedpam on 05/09/2008 19:12:52
Better late then never. :D
Comment by Raine on 05/09/2008 19:14:19
of course he did!
Raine on 05/09/2008 19:14:19
Quote by velveeta jones:
: peeks into blog, hesitantly :
Velveeta ain't got no teevee or radio on. But word on the street (heh) is BO got some more SD's. Any truth to this? I'm laying low due to sanity issues..............
of course he did!
Comment by Shane-O on 05/09/2008 19:18:09
Email me a list of your favorites (I'm pretty good at finding them) - and check with Bob where he might want them posted - site-space permitting, of course. My email - [email protected] 
Shane-O on 05/09/2008 19:18:09
Quote by right wing hater:
By the way, I understand from Bob & Raine that you're the sound guy...
Any chance you could put together a small 'database' of bushisms for a countdown until 1-20-09???
Comment by livingonli on 05/09/2008 19:18:41
The biggest problem with Enterprise was the fact that the producers were not fans of the Original Series and were in some ways messing with canon. Why did they have a Borg episode so early which even contradicted Next Generation when it was supposed to be Q zapping the Enterprise into deep space that first brought the Federation in contact with the Borg.
Although it is funny that Shatner is pissed as though he could play a Kirk who is supposed to be younger than he was in the Original Series.
livingonli on 05/09/2008 19:18:41
Quote by right wing hater:Quote by livingonli:
Hi RWH. It looks like Jonathan Frakes should have just kept his directing ventures with the Star Trek franchise.
Although I am a little nervous about that next movie. Berman and Company have really run Trek into the ground.
Hey living, I agree. I just hope that Abrams doesn't turn the next movie into Star Wars meets Star Trek. I'm all for spicing it up, but don't kill the premise/formula/canon
The biggest problem with Enterprise was the fact that the producers were not fans of the Original Series and were in some ways messing with canon. Why did they have a Borg episode so early which even contradicted Next Generation when it was supposed to be Q zapping the Enterprise into deep space that first brought the Federation in contact with the Borg.
Although it is funny that Shatner is pissed as though he could play a Kirk who is supposed to be younger than he was in the Original Series.
Comment by livingonli on 05/09/2008 19:20:59
Do you have the Bugs Bunny "What a Maroon" drop? I want that as an audicon.
livingonli on 05/09/2008 19:20:59
Quote by Shane-O:Email me a list of your favorites (I'm pretty good at finding them) - and check with Bob where he might want them posted - site-space permitting, of course. My email - [email protected]Quote by right wing hater:
By the way, I understand from Bob & Raine that you're the sound guy...
Any chance you could put together a small 'database' of bushisms for a countdown until 1-20-09???
Do you have the Bugs Bunny "What a Maroon" drop? I want that as an audicon.
Comment by wickedpam on 05/09/2008 19:23:14
I'm actually looking forward to the next Trek movie, don't think I've seen one since Shatner handed the torch to Stewart.
wickedpam on 05/09/2008 19:23:14
Quote by livingonli:Quote by right wing hater:Quote by livingonli:
Hi RWH. It looks like Jonathan Frakes should have just kept his directing ventures with the Star Trek franchise.
Although I am a little nervous about that next movie. Berman and Company have really run Trek into the ground.
Hey living, I agree. I just hope that Abrams doesn't turn the next movie into Star Wars meets Star Trek. I'm all for spicing it up, but don't kill the premise/formula/canon
The biggest problem with Enterprise was the fact that the producers were not fans of the Original Series and were in some ways messing with canon. Why did they have a Borg episode so early which even contradicted Next Generation when it was supposed to be Q zapping the Enterprise into deep space that first brought the Federation in contact with the Borg.
Although it is funny that Shatner is pissed as though he could play a Kirk who is supposed to be younger than he was in the Original Series.
I'm actually looking forward to the next Trek movie, don't think I've seen one since Shatner handed the torch to Stewart.
Comment by wickedpam on 05/09/2008 19:24:23
We got my fave
wickedpam on 05/09/2008 19:24:23
Quote by livingonli:Quote by Shane-O:Email me a list of your favorites (I'm pretty good at finding them) - and check with Bob where he might want them posted - site-space permitting, of course. My email - [email protected]Quote by right wing hater:
By the way, I understand from Bob & Raine that you're the sound guy...
Any chance you could put together a small 'database' of bushisms for a countdown until 1-20-09???
Do you have the Bugs Bunny "What a Maroon" drop? I want that as an audicon.
We got my fave
Comment by Raine on 05/09/2008 19:24:40
Raine on 05/09/2008 19:24:40
MANZO in the Studio!!
Comment by right wing hater on 05/09/2008 19:27:01
I have them bookmarked at home, I'll send it to you...thanks! Specifically, the all timer that Randy used to play all the time "Don't come and bother us, because we will kill you." at that presser with Tony Blair a few years back..
Quote by Shane-O:Email me a list of your favorites (I'm pretty good at finding them) - and check with Bob where he might want them posted - site-space permitting, of course. My email - [email protected]Quote by right wing hater:
By the way, I understand from Bob & Raine that you're the sound guy...
Any chance you could put together a small 'database' of bushisms for a countdown until 1-20-09???
I have them bookmarked at home, I'll send it to you...thanks! Specifically, the all timer that Randy used to play all the time "Don't come and bother us, because we will kill you." at that presser with Tony Blair a few years back..
Comment by right wing hater on 05/09/2008 19:30:35
Yeah, they tanked the franchise with Enterprise...could have been so much better than what it was. Yeah Shatner is getting kind of ridiculous with the next movie. His character on Boston Legal definitely has a life of its own. He's perfect for that role.
Quote by livingonli:Quote by right wing hater:Quote by livingonli:
Hi RWH. It looks like Jonathan Frakes should have just kept his directing ventures with the Star Trek franchise.
Although I am a little nervous about that next movie. Berman and Company have really run Trek into the ground.
Hey living, I agree. I just hope that Abrams doesn't turn the next movie into Star Wars meets Star Trek. I'm all for spicing it up, but don't kill the premise/formula/canon
The biggest problem with Enterprise was the fact that the producers were not fans of the Original Series and were in some ways messing with canon. Why did they have a Borg episode so early which even contradicted Next Generation when it was supposed to be Q zapping the Enterprise into deep space that first brought the Federation in contact with the Borg.
Although it is funny that Shatner is pissed as though he could play a Kirk who is supposed to be younger than he was in the Original Series.
Yeah, they tanked the franchise with Enterprise...could have been so much better than what it was. Yeah Shatner is getting kind of ridiculous with the next movie. His character on Boston Legal definitely has a life of its own. He's perfect for that role.
Comment by livingonli on 05/09/2008 19:32:33
Sounds like they will throw a best-of on so that he and Randi can catch up on business.
:penis:
livingonli on 05/09/2008 19:32:33
Quote by Raine:
MANZO in the Studio!!
Sounds like they will throw a best-of on so that he and Randi can catch up on business.
:penis:
Comment by Raine on 05/09/2008 19:34:33
I think we can create a link pace on the side of the blog and call it Bushisms.
OR we can create a section in the "view all audicons" area. alongside general/movie shows.. etc adn call them "Bushisms"
I think we can do this...
Raine on 05/09/2008 19:34:33
Quote by Shane-O:Email me a list of your favorites (I'm pretty good at finding them) - and check with Bob where he might want them posted - site-space permitting, of course. My email - [email protected]Quote by right wing hater:
By the way, I understand from Bob & Raine that you're the sound guy...
Any chance you could put together a small 'database' of bushisms for a countdown until 1-20-09???
OR we can create a section in the "view all audicons" area. alongside general/movie shows.. etc adn call them "Bushisms"
I think we can do this...
Comment by Shane-O on 05/09/2008 19:47:23
Here ya go, Liv!
Shane-O on 05/09/2008 19:47:23
Quote by livingonli:Quote by Shane-O:Email me a list of your favorites (I'm pretty good at finding them) - and check with Bob where he might want them posted - site-space permitting, of course. My email - [email protected]Quote by right wing hater:
By the way, I understand from Bob & Raine that you're the sound guy...
Any chance you could put together a small 'database' of bushisms for a countdown until 1-20-09???
Do you have the Bugs Bunny "What a Maroon" drop? I want that as an audicon.
Comment by livingonli on 05/09/2008 19:55:28
livingonli on 05/09/2008 19:55:28
Grazi, Shane-O.
Comment by Shane-O on 05/09/2008 19:56:57
Sorry, Raine - I didn't mean to just refer to Mr. Raine (a.k.a Bobber, code guru)...
BTW - D.J. made a funny comment in an email to me yesterday - he inquired as to whether I referred to you as "Raine-O" or not ...
Shane-O on 05/09/2008 19:56:57
Quote by Raine:I think we can create a link pace on the side of the blog and call it Bushisms.Quote by Shane-O:Email me a list of your favorites (I'm pretty good at finding them) - and check with Bob where he might want them posted - site-space permitting, of course. My email - [email protected]Quote by right wing hater:
By the way, I understand from Bob & Raine that you're the sound guy...
Any chance you could put together a small 'database' of bushisms for a countdown until 1-20-09???
OR we can create a section in the "view all audicons" area. alongside general/movie shows.. etc adn call them "Bushisms"
I think we can do this...
BTW - D.J. made a funny comment in an email to me yesterday - he inquired as to whether I referred to you as "Raine-O" or not ...
Comment by right wing hater on 05/09/2008 19:58:30
Quote by Raine:I think we can create a link pace on the side of the blog and call it Bushisms.Quote by Shane-O:Email me a list of your favorites (I'm pretty good at finding them) - and check with Bob where he might want them posted - site-space permitting, of course. My email - [email protected]Quote by right wing hater:
By the way, I understand from Bob & Raine that you're the sound guy...
Any chance you could put together a small 'database' of bushisms for a countdown until 1-20-09???
OR we can create a section in the "view all audicons" area. alongside general/movie shows.. etc adn call them "Bushisms"
Raine, love it! That would be great....
Also...Laina & I are definitely taking Nov 5th off...we'll either be packing or celebrating with ya!
I think we can do this...
Comment by Shane-O on 05/09/2008 20:08:47
Most important would be the date the clip was uttered - especially if it a somewhat obscure one. Pretty much every idiotic statement by *resident sh*it-for-brains is available at whitehouse.gov - dates make them SO much easier to find. Thanks!
Shane-O on 05/09/2008 20:08:47
Quote by right wing hater:
I have them bookmarked at home, I'll send it to you...thanks! Specifically, the all timer that Randy used to play all the time "Don't come and bother us, because we will kill you." at that presser with Tony Blair a few years back..
Comment by TriSec on 05/09/2008 20:27:52
I'd be more concerned about another Bush coming down the pipeline 45 years from now. If there's going to be a third Bush presidency (whether they have the name or not) I just pray that I don't live to see it.
TriSec on 05/09/2008 20:27:52
Quote by wickedpam:
Someone's shotting to be a low rent Princess Di.
I'd be more concerned about another Bush coming down the pipeline 45 years from now. If there's going to be a third Bush presidency (whether they have the name or not) I just pray that I don't live to see it.
Comment by IzzyBitz on 05/09/2008 20:35:47
IzzyBitz on 05/09/2008 20:35:47
Happy Fridee! 
Too bad they had to ruin LKL with Ed Schultz. I won't be changing my party to another night, that's for suresies. Randi all but called him a sell out the other day. It's about time someone revealed his true colors. He's a republican pretending to be a democrat pretendng not to be a republican.
Too bad they had to ruin LKL with Ed Schultz. I won't be changing my party to another night, that's for suresies. Randi all but called him a sell out the other day. It's about time someone revealed his true colors. He's a republican pretending to be a democrat pretendng not to be a republican.
Comment by livingonli on 05/09/2008 21:30:25
Only if people are stupid enough to have another person for president simply because they believe they can have a beer with him or her.
livingonli on 05/09/2008 21:30:25
Quote by TriSec:Quote by wickedpam:
Someone's shotting to be a low rent Princess Di.
I'd be more concerned about another Bush coming down the pipeline 45 years from now. If there's going to be a third Bush presidency (whether they have the name or not) I just pray that I don't live to see it.
Only if people are stupid enough to have another person for president simply because they believe they can have a beer with him or her.
Comment by Raine on 05/09/2008 21:36:31
Raine on 05/09/2008 21:36:31
RWH... WE will be CELEBRATING on NOV 5.
Oh... I should add that Election night will be a HUGE live blog night... Pass it on to friends that we will have a live blog... we are less than 6 months away. Peope will not have to nake a million phone calls all night long!
LESS THAN 6 MONTHS... HOW about that for a ?
Oh... I should add that Election night will be a HUGE live blog night... Pass it on to friends that we will have a live blog... we are less than 6 months away. Peope will not have to nake a million phone calls all night long!
LESS THAN 6 MONTHS... HOW about that for a
?
Comment by livingonli on 05/09/2008 21:37:56
livingonli on 05/09/2008 21:37:56
Maybe I should just take that whole week off.
Comment by Raine on 05/09/2008 21:44:30
HE lost all of what made him great about 20 years ago. I used to like him him when he was a radio host... like I said, 20 years ago.
No, he just seems afraid of any controversial questions... *Le Sigh*
Raine on 05/09/2008 21:44:30
Quote by IzzyBitz:
Happy Fridee!
Too bad they had to ruin LKL with Ed Schultz. I won't be changing my party to another night, that's for suresies. Randi all but called him a sell out the other day. It's about time someone revealed his true colors. He's a republican pretending to be a democrat pretendng not to be a republican.
No, he just seems afraid of any controversial questions... *Le Sigh*
Comment by Raine on 05/09/2008 21:47:26
Raine on 05/09/2008 21:47:26
OMG this caller is killing me.
She is asking questions from about 18 months ago. *why is BO electable?*
Come on... She is a hillbot shill. She doesn't get that he WON THE NOMINATION!
She is asking questions from about 18 months ago. *why is BO electable?*
Come on... She is a hillbot shill. She doesn't get that he WON THE NOMINATION!
Comment by Raine on 05/09/2008 21:49:49
Raine on 05/09/2008 21:49:49
GAH!!! caller reads MAGAZINES?!?!?
HOW pathetic. And she says she doesn't know about Obama? This is the caller that we will have to educate for the GE.
CAllers who pretend to be Dems, and are neither a repug or a dem.
HOW pathetic. And she says she doesn't know about Obama? This is the caller that we will have to educate for the GE.
CAllers who pretend to be Dems, and are neither a repug or a dem.
Comment by livingonli on 05/09/2008 21:50:53
Sounds like the hillbots who troll the SMS live blog.
livingonli on 05/09/2008 21:50:53
Quote by Raine:
OMG this caller is killing me.
She is asking questions from about 18 months ago. *why is BO electable?*
Come on... She is a hillbot shill. She doesn't get that he WON THE NOMINATION!
Sounds like the hillbots who troll the SMS live blog.
Comment by livingonli on 05/09/2008 21:52:10
livingonli on 05/09/2008 21:52:10
Raine, did you see my Manzo and Randi reply below? I know it would have gotten a big chuckle at UNN.
Comment by Raine on 05/09/2008 21:53:40
She could not hold a candle to Di.
I thin it is VERY strange that the Bush FAmily is trying to HIDE the wedding.
Politics aside, this could have been a wonderful moment for america, instead they are acting like it's a shot gun wedding.
Raine on 05/09/2008 21:53:40
Quote by wickedpam:
Someone's shotting to be a low rent Princess Di.
I thin it is VERY strange that the Bush FAmily is trying to HIDE the wedding.
Politics aside, this could have been a wonderful moment for america, instead they are acting like it's a shot gun wedding.
Comment by livingonli on 05/09/2008 21:58:44
livingonli on 05/09/2008 21:58:44
My question is , was Jenna ever pregnant? She showed but not anymore.
And you wonder is Jenna actually a beard for this guy from Rove's office?
And you wonder is Jenna actually a beard for this guy from Rove's office?
Comment by Raine on 05/09/2008 21:58:59
I did not. I'll go scroll down to find it...
Did you post it over at UNN ? --- if they would have gotten a good chuckle, you should have given it to them...
Raine on 05/09/2008 21:58:59
Quote by livingonli:
Raine, did you see my Manzo and Randi reply below? I know it would have gotten a big chuckle at UNN.
Did you post it over at UNN ? --- if they would have gotten a good chuckle, you should have given it to them...
Comment by Raine on 05/09/2008 22:04:28
:rofl:
Bobber is our Code monkey ad the rest of us are co-op members.
And you can call me Raine-O... DJ he keeps saying he will show up... but he is all talk no butter....
Raine on 05/09/2008 22:04:28
Quote by Shane-O:Sorry, Raine - I didn't mean to just refer to Mr. Raine (a.k.a Bobber, code guru)...Quote by Raine:I think we can create a link pace on the side of the blog and call it Bushisms.Quote by Shane-O:Email me a list of your favorites (I'm pretty good at finding them) - and check with Bob where he might want them posted - site-space permitting, of course. My email - [email protected]Quote by right wing hater:
By the way, I understand from Bob & Raine that you're the sound guy...
Any chance you could put together a small 'database' of bushisms for a countdown until 1-20-09???
OR we can create a section in the "view all audicons" area. alongside general/movie shows.. etc adn call them "Bushisms"
I think we can do this...
BTW - D.J. made a funny comment in an email to me yesterday - he inquired as to whether I referred to you as "Raine-O" or not ...
Bobber is our Code monkey ad the rest of us are co-op members.
And you can call me Raine-O...
DJ he keeps saying he will show up... but he is all talk no butter....
Comment by livingonli on 05/09/2008 22:08:23
All they need is a penis emoticon. Well, at least the old hump ones from AAP.
livingonli on 05/09/2008 22:08:23
Quote by Raine:I did not. I'll go scroll down to find it...Quote by livingonli:
Raine, did you see my Manzo and Randi reply below? I know it would have gotten a big chuckle at UNN.
Did you post it over at UNN ? --- if they would have gotten a good chuckle, you should have given it to them...
All they need is a penis emoticon. Well, at least the old hump ones from AAP.
Comment by BobR on 05/09/2008 23:16:34
BobR on 05/09/2008 23:16:34
FYI - I will create a separate page for the Bushisms, and provide an upload link to anyone that wants to add a favorite (the WAV or MP3 has to be cached to your PC to upload it).
If there are any that would work as AudiCons, then Shane-O (or I) can set that up as well. I'd rather not clutter up the AudiCon screen with sounds that aren't really going to be used as such...
If there are any that would work as AudiCons, then Shane-O (or I) can set that up as well. I'd rather not clutter up the AudiCon screen with sounds that aren't really going to be used as such...
Comment by BobR on 05/10/2008 00:16:29
BobR on 05/10/2008 00:16:29
Another FYI - I created a new blog entry tonight with links to the Republican push poll I talked about earlier today...
Comment by jd_in_ny on 05/10/2008 00:21:58
jd_in_ny on 05/10/2008 00:21:58
McCain is such a nasty little prick
Comment by velveeta jones on 05/10/2008 00:53:54
velveeta jones on 05/10/2008 00:53:54
WoooHOooooo!
Hellow Bloggie!!
:D :D
Hellow Bloggie!!
:D
:D
Comment by Raine on 05/10/2008 02:07:13
Raine on 05/10/2008 02:07:13
HELLOOOO ms.
we are prepping for our Yard sale in the AM...
we are prepping for our Yard sale in the AM...
Comment by velveeta jones on 05/10/2008 02:13:34
YARD SALE!!!!
Damn, I have to work................... can't make it!!
velveeta jones on 05/10/2008 02:13:34
Quote by Raine:
HELLOOOO ms.
we are prepping for our Yard sale in the AM...
YARD SALE!!!!
Damn, I have to work................... can't make it!!
Comment by Raine on 05/10/2008 02:25:38
I am assuming you watched KO tonite.
Raine on 05/10/2008 02:25:38
Quote by jd_in_ny:
McCain is such a nasty little prick
Comment by livingonli on 05/10/2008 02:33:36
Work has been known to interfere with my attempts to have a life.
Maynard G. Krebs: Work!
livingonli on 05/10/2008 02:33:36
Quote by velveeta jones:Quote by Raine:
HELLOOOO ms.
we are prepping for our Yard sale in the AM...
YARD SALE!!!!
Damn, I have to work................... can't make it!!
Work has been known to interfere with my attempts to have a life.
Maynard G. Krebs: Work!
Comment by Raine on 05/10/2008 02:53:55
HAH!!
WE haven't lived together long enough to gather THAT much good stuffs... a small TV, MArtha Wallert prints... Some other guy who signed his prints... (ask Bobber), pillows... and some other chachky stuff...
Raine on 05/10/2008 02:53:55
Quote by velveeta jones:Quote by Raine:
HELLOOOO ms.
we are prepping for our Yard sale in the AM...
YARD SALE!!!!
Damn, I have to work................... can't make it!!
WE haven't lived together long enough to gather THAT much good stuffs... a small TV, MArtha Wallert prints... Some other guy who signed his prints... (ask Bobber), pillows... and some other chachky stuff...
Comment by Raine on 05/10/2008 03:10:17
Raine on 05/10/2008 03:10:17
Final thought for the night...
Is Hillary reminding you more and more, as the days go by, of Ralph Nader???
Is Hillary reminding you more and more, as the days go by, of Ralph Nader???
Comment by livingonli on 05/10/2008 03:16:23
Actually she's making Ralph Nader look sane.
livingonli on 05/10/2008 03:16:23
Quote by Raine:
Final thought for the night...
Is Hillary reminding you more and more, as the days go by, of Ralph Nader???
Actually she's making Ralph Nader look sane.
Comment by Raine on 05/10/2008 03:18:04
Raine on 05/10/2008 03:18:04
let me clarify something... back in '00, and I believe on '04, Nader tried to say that he was the ONLY Agent of change...
Sound familiar?
OK... NOW I am done. and :heart:
Raine
Sound familiar?
OK... NOW I am done.
and :heart:Raine
Comment by BobR on 05/10/2008 03:39:25
I'm unloading some old RJ Hohimer signed/numbered lithographs amd some signed/numbered Martha Wahlart cat-themed lithographs.
Don't know if they'll sell... I also have some Tom Clark gnomes and Boyd's Bear figurines (don't ask) that I am going to try to sell online...
BobR on 05/10/2008 03:39:25
Quote by Raine:
HAH!!
WE haven't lived together long enough to gather THAT much good stuffs... a small TV, MArtha Wallert prints... Some other guy who signed his prints... (ask Bobber), pillows... and some other chachky stuff...
I'm unloading some old RJ Hohimer signed/numbered lithographs amd some signed/numbered Martha Wahlart cat-themed lithographs.
Don't know if they'll sell... I also have some Tom Clark gnomes and Boyd's Bear figurines (don't ask) that I am going to try to sell online...
Comment by livingonli on 05/10/2008 03:45:00
livingonli on 05/10/2008 03:45:00
That's when eBay comes in handy.