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September Morn
Author: Raine
Date: 09/11/2008 12:21:22
Good morning everyone.
A few weeks ago, I went back to to NY for a visit. Being that I was going to be staying in Jersey City with a friend for a few nights, I had to do what I had not done in years, I went to the WTC Path Station. You know the one: it ran under the towers. The station reopened in 2003, and a new entrance was finished by 2006. It was beautiful, really. But: they have since torn it down.
I was rather shocked to see it gone when I returned this summer. The entrance was moved, the grand design was gone. Something else shocked me: there was nothing there. Nothing but chain-link fences, plywood covering up what appeared to be nothing more than another generic, non-distinct NYC (or any city for that matter) construction site. I heard the sounds, the bulldozers, the jackhammers, the trucks --- but I couldn't see anything. it was blocked from view, ALL around the area. It seemed wrong, and not because I was in mourning for this day still... I could not put my finger on it... Was it the waste of money... of time? The lack of regard by those in charge to the importance of the day for the victims families? I didn't know.
And then Paul Reikoff reminded me. (and he said it better than I ever could)
'7 years later, 'Ground Zero' is nothing but a hole in the ground. A gaping mammoth hole.'
All the talk of rebuilding and honoring the victims and the victims' familes, all the talk of honor & service to our country, all the promises of healing and rebuilding ... all of that talk, and 'Ground Zero' has become nothing more than a symbol of empty promises.
It took 8 years for us to put a man on the moon. One would think that we could close this gaping flesh wound sooner than that. There is no way a wound can heal if it is still open. 2749 people died in NYC that day. 184 people perished in Washington D.C. 40 people were lost forever to a field in Shanksville, Pennsylvania on September 11. Say a prayer for their families in whatever way you choose, but be angry that those who HAVE the power to close the hole in the ground have not. Ground Zero has become nothing more than a symbol of broken promises because of them.
and 
A few weeks ago, I went back to to NY for a visit. Being that I was going to be staying in Jersey City with a friend for a few nights, I had to do what I had not done in years, I went to the WTC Path Station. You know the one: it ran under the towers. The station reopened in 2003, and a new entrance was finished by 2006. It was beautiful, really. But: they have since torn it down.
I was rather shocked to see it gone when I returned this summer. The entrance was moved, the grand design was gone. Something else shocked me: there was nothing there. Nothing but chain-link fences, plywood covering up what appeared to be nothing more than another generic, non-distinct NYC (or any city for that matter) construction site. I heard the sounds, the bulldozers, the jackhammers, the trucks --- but I couldn't see anything. it was blocked from view, ALL around the area. It seemed wrong, and not because I was in mourning for this day still... I could not put my finger on it... Was it the waste of money... of time? The lack of regard by those in charge to the importance of the day for the victims families? I didn't know.
And then Paul Reikoff reminded me. (and he said it better than I ever could)
All the talk of rebuilding and honoring the victims and the victims' familes, all the talk of honor & service to our country, all the promises of healing and rebuilding ... all of that talk, and 'Ground Zero' has become nothing more than a symbol of empty promises.
It took 8 years for us to put a man on the moon. One would think that we could close this gaping flesh wound sooner than that. There is no way a wound can heal if it is still open. 2749 people died in NYC that day. 184 people perished in Washington D.C. 40 people were lost forever to a field in Shanksville, Pennsylvania on September 11. Say a prayer for their families in whatever way you choose, but be angry that those who HAVE the power to close the hole in the ground have not. Ground Zero has become nothing more than a symbol of broken promises because of them.
and 
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Comment by 
Mondobubba on 09/11/2008 12:25:48
Mondobubba on 09/11/2008 12:25:48
First? Raine, nice post I am feeling at loose ends today, thanks to a certain commentary I heard last night.
Comment by 
TriSec on 09/11/2008 12:37:05
TriSec on 09/11/2008 12:37:05
Good Morning.
I've had my PTSD moment for the day. I awoke this morning with an unsettled stomach....and put on NECN (New England Cable News) first thing, like I always do.
Of course, like every other news agency today, they're doing their retrospective coverage.
Not 30 seconds after turning on the TV this morning, I was greeted by archival footage of the second plane going in, with the incredulous voice-overs of the stunned anchors.
Even now, typing the words, I'm shaking. Thank god I did not hear any planes overhead this morning.
I allowed myself a brief patriotic moment, as I pulled out my worn "Old Glory" and hung it back out today. I don't recall if I had it out the morning of 9/11, but if I did, it's the same flag. Over the ensuing 8 years, I have rarely flown it. (favoring the Culpepper Minutemen and Bennington Flags).
In any case....
Livin, as the closest member to Lower Manhattan, if you get anywhere near it today, please look skyward and remember for us.
Regarding New York's "hole in the ground" (still the best Special Comment ever), Boston unveiled a tidy little memorial over the weekend at Logan Airport. Sorry for the small picture, but there's not much better out there yet.
I've had my PTSD moment for the day. I awoke this morning with an unsettled stomach....and put on NECN (New England Cable News) first thing, like I always do.
Of course, like every other news agency today, they're doing their retrospective coverage.
Not 30 seconds after turning on the TV this morning, I was greeted by archival footage of the second plane going in, with the incredulous voice-overs of the stunned anchors.
Even now, typing the words, I'm shaking. Thank god I did not hear any planes overhead this morning.
I allowed myself a brief patriotic moment, as I pulled out my worn "Old Glory" and hung it back out today. I don't recall if I had it out the morning of 9/11, but if I did, it's the same flag. Over the ensuing 8 years, I have rarely flown it. (favoring the Culpepper Minutemen and Bennington Flags).
In any case....
Livin, as the closest member to Lower Manhattan, if you get anywhere near it today, please look skyward and remember for us.
Regarding New York's "hole in the ground" (still the best Special Comment ever), Boston unveiled a tidy little memorial over the weekend at Logan Airport. Sorry for the small picture, but there's not much better out there yet.
Comment by 
Raine on 09/11/2008 12:45:54
Thank you.
I must admit, I did not watch KO's special comment last night. I was talking with a friend.
I will scope it out today.
Raine on 09/11/2008 12:45:54
Quote by Mondobubba:
First? Raine, nice post I am feeling at loose ends today, thanks to a certain commentary I heard last night.
I must admit, I did not watch KO's special comment last night. I was talking with a friend.
I will scope it out today.
Comment by 
velveeta jones on 09/11/2008 12:46:30
velveeta jones on 09/11/2008 12:46:30
Morning all. Nice post Raine. For me, not being a New Yawker at all, only a frequent visitor, I would love to have seen them turn the site into a beautiful park. I think it would be a nice way to honor the victims of WTC.
'Course they can rebuild No. 7 - since there was no reason for it to "fall" anyway!
<_<
'Course they can rebuild No. 7 - since there was no reason for it to "fall" anyway!
<_<
Comment by velveeta jones on 09/11/2008 12:48:46
velveeta jones on 09/11/2008 12:48:46
Comment by Mondobubba on 09/11/2008 12:49:29
It is everywhere, MSNBC, HuPo.
Mondobubba on 09/11/2008 12:49:29
Quote by Raine:Thank you.Quote by Mondobubba:
First? Raine, nice post I am feeling at loose ends today, thanks to a certain commentary I heard last night.
I must admit, I did not watch KO's special comment last night. I was talking with a friend.
I will scope it out today.
It is everywhere, MSNBC, HuPo.
Comment by 
wickedpam on 09/11/2008 12:51:37
wickedpam on 09/11/2008 12:51:37
morning 
blogging from home today and tomorrow.
How long does it take to build something in NYC? I've been wondering that for a while. I know it probably takes longer the average for various reasons. The workers at the Pentagon worked extra shifts and pushed hard to finsh repairing a high security building in one year from the date it happened. They wanted to basically give the finger to OBL.
I know the workers in NY want to do the same thing and that repairing a building is different the building a new one, but still 7 years?
blogging from home today and tomorrow.
How long does it take to build something in NYC? I've been wondering that for a while. I know it probably takes longer the average for various reasons. The workers at the Pentagon worked extra shifts and pushed hard to finsh repairing a high security building in one year from the date it happened. They wanted to basically give the finger to OBL.
I know the workers in NY want to do the same thing and that repairing a building is different the building a new one, but still 7 years?
Comment by Raine on 09/11/2008 12:55:21
ABC reports on Sarah Censorship Palin.
Raine on 09/11/2008 12:55:21
ABC reports on Sarah Censorship Palin.
Comment by 
BobR on 09/11/2008 12:57:19
Raine just mentioned to me that it took 7 years from the initial groundbreaking to the finished WTC towers.
It's been 7 years and there's still nothing there.
BobR on 09/11/2008 12:57:19
Quote by wickedpam:
morning
blogging from home today and tomorrow.
How long does it take to build something in NYC? I've been wondering that for a while. I know it probably takes longer the average for various reasons. The workers at the Pentagon worked extra shifts and pushed hard to finsh repairing a high security building in one year from the date it happened. They wanted to basically give the finger to OBL.
I know the workers in NY want to do the same thing and that repairing a building is different the building a new one, but still 7 years?
Raine just mentioned to me that it took 7 years from the initial groundbreaking to the finished WTC towers.
It's been 7 years and there's still nothing there.
Comment by Mondobubba on 09/11/2008 13:02:14
Mondobubba on 09/11/2008 13:02:14
My brain isn't in class, it is in my kitchen, watching Headline New from 7 years ago
Comment by Mondobubba on 09/11/2008 13:07:22
Or here...
Mondobubba on 09/11/2008 13:07:22
Quote by Mondobubba:Quote by Raine:Thank you.Quote by Mondobubba:
First? Raine, nice post I am feeling at loose ends today, thanks to a certain commentary I heard last night.
I must admit, I did not watch KO's special comment last night. I was talking with a friend.
I will scope it out today.
It is everywhere, MSNBC, HuPo.
Or here...
Comment by TriSec on 09/11/2008 13:08:21
TriSec on 09/11/2008 13:08:21
An empty plot and a disfigured skyline is much more valuable to the Republicans than any sign of progress or healing.
Comment by BobR on 09/11/2008 13:15:21
Thinking about driving from the hotel in Jersey City, and a collegue casually mentioning - "hey - the World Trade Center's on fire", none of us realizing the enormity of what had happened, or what was to come.
Simply a few flames licking out of a few windows...
BobR on 09/11/2008 13:15:21
Quote by Mondobubba:
My brain isn't in class, it is in my kitchen, watching Headline New from 7 years ago
Thinking about driving from the hotel in Jersey City, and a collegue casually mentioning - "hey - the World Trade Center's on fire", none of us realizing the enormity of what had happened, or what was to come.
Simply a few flames licking out of a few windows...
Comment by velveeta jones on 09/11/2008 13:16:02
velveeta jones on 09/11/2008 13:16:02
Hey ya'll. A mod from another board has a great way to show support for your candidate. So I'm passing this along, lets start a movement. All Americans should join in:
In a few months, Americans will go to the polls to elect a new leader.
The person elected will not just be the President of the Republicans or Democrats, but of all Americans.
So we need to come together in solidarity and show support for the candidate of our choice, Reps and Dems alike.
If you support Obama and change, please drive with your headlights on all day.
If you support the same crap as the last 8 years, John McCain, please drive with your headlights off at night.
Thank You.
Comment by wickedpam on 09/11/2008 13:16:16
wickedpam on 09/11/2008 13:16:16
WOW - KO - WOW - thank you for saying aloud and on TV
Comment by Mondobubba on 09/11/2008 13:20:11
Numbly going to the computer room and telling Mrs Mondo a plane had flown into the WTC.
Mondobubba on 09/11/2008 13:20:11
Quote by BobR:Quote by Mondobubba:
My brain isn't in class, it is in my kitchen, watching Headline New from 7 years ago
Thinking about driving from the hotel in Jersey City, and a collegue casually mentioning - "hey - the World Trade Center's on fire", none of us realizing the enormity of what had happened, or what was to come.
Simply a few flames licking out of a few windows...
Numbly going to the computer room and telling Mrs Mondo a plane had flown into the WTC.
Comment by Raine on 09/11/2008 13:20:13
Raine on 09/11/2008 13:20:13
WHEW.... Bathing a cat is NOT fun.
Comment by Mondobubba on 09/11/2008 13:22:02
Why are you bathing Camille? What did she get into? Did you forget the rhino hide cat handling suit?
Mondobubba on 09/11/2008 13:22:02
Quote by Raine:
WHEW.... Bathing a cat is NOT fun.
Why are you bathing Camille? What did she get into? Did you forget the rhino hide cat handling suit?
Comment by wickedpam on 09/11/2008 13:23:05
I was driving to work and the morning show said something about a plane hitting the WTC, they thought it was just a small personal plane, no one knew what was going on but everyone's first thought was to hope people were okay.
Then getting closer to work sitting at a light I happen too look up and see a plane turning back toward National and thinking it odd to see a plane at that time in that place. Came over a small hill a few minutes later and saw smoke way off in the distance and knew it couldn't be good.
In the office we had a hard time getting the TV to tune into something with just rabbit ears but still beinga able to see the buildings fall.
It's all still very clear in my head.
wickedpam on 09/11/2008 13:23:05
Quote by BobR:Quote by Mondobubba:
My brain isn't in class, it is in my kitchen, watching Headline New from 7 years ago
Thinking about driving from the hotel in Jersey City, and a collegue casually mentioning - "hey - the World Trade Center's on fire", none of us realizing the enormity of what had happened, or what was to come.
Simply a few flames licking out of a few windows...
I was driving to work and the morning show said something about a plane hitting the WTC, they thought it was just a small personal plane, no one knew what was going on but everyone's first thought was to hope people were okay.
Then getting closer to work sitting at a light I happen too look up and see a plane turning back toward National and thinking it odd to see a plane at that time in that place. Came over a small hill a few minutes later and saw smoke way off in the distance and knew it couldn't be good.
In the office we had a hard time getting the TV to tune into something with just rabbit ears but still beinga able to see the buildings fall.
It's all still very clear in my head.
Comment by wickedpam on 09/11/2008 13:24:26
wow that was quite the non-sequitar :)
wickedpam on 09/11/2008 13:24:26
Quote by Raine:
WHEW.... Bathing a cat is NOT fun.
wow that was quite the non-sequitar :)
Comment by TriSec on 09/11/2008 13:24:56
Kinda like my experience.
A co-worker casually glided by my cube that morning and mentioned that "A plane hit the world trade center, have you heard anything?"
"Oh, Excellent" were my first words.
Then I spent the next 15 hours glued to the radio and TV.
It was that first night that really freaked me out, when I heard the planes overhead, knowing they were F-15s on Combat Air Patrol.
TriSec on 09/11/2008 13:24:56
Quote by BobR:Quote by Mondobubba:
My brain isn't in class, it is in my kitchen, watching Headline New from 7 years ago
Thinking about driving from the hotel in Jersey City, and a collegue casually mentioning - "hey - the World Trade Center's on fire", none of us realizing the enormity of what had happened, or what was to come.
Simply a few flames licking out of a few windows...
Kinda like my experience.
A co-worker casually glided by my cube that morning and mentioned that "A plane hit the world trade center, have you heard anything?"
"Oh, Excellent" were my first words.
Then I spent the next 15 hours glued to the radio and TV.
It was that first night that really freaked me out, when I heard the planes overhead, knowing they were F-15s on Combat Air Patrol.
Comment by Raine on 09/11/2008 13:25:03
I tend to take a more pragmatic view of the site , I don't know if it becuase I am from the stae, or spent a lot of time working in NYC, but I really think that a new building should go there, with a nice humble memorial park. IT is a Major peice of real estate, and it should be returned as such.
But that is me. they started building the towers in 1966, and the had the official opening in 1973. one would think... one would think... it could be SOMETHING by now.
Raine on 09/11/2008 13:25:03
Quote by velveeta jones:
Morning all. Nice post Raine. For me, not being a New Yawker at all, only a frequent visitor, I would love to have seen them turn the site into a beautiful park. I think it would be a nice way to honor the victims of WTC.
'Course they can rebuild No. 7 - since there was no reason for it to "fall" anyway!
<_<
But that is me. they started building the towers in 1966, and the had the official opening in 1973. one would think... one would think... it could be SOMETHING by now.
Comment by Raine on 09/11/2008 13:27:17
:rofl: Sorry. I really should read before I post.
:P
Raine on 09/11/2008 13:27:17
Quote by wickedpam:Quote by Raine:
WHEW.... Bathing a cat is NOT fun.
:rofl: Sorry. I really should read before I post.
:P
Comment by wickedpam on 09/11/2008 13:29:21
that's okay - it was a nice break up we, or rather I, was traveling the maudlin path
wickedpam on 09/11/2008 13:29:21
Quote by Raine:Quote by wickedpam:Quote by Raine:
WHEW.... Bathing a cat is NOT fun.
:rofl: Sorry. I really should read before I post.
:P
that's okay - it was a nice break up we, or rather I, was traveling the maudlin path
Comment by wickedpam on 09/11/2008 13:43:56
wickedpam on 09/11/2008 13:43:56
how does one adopt a solider?
Comment by Raine on 09/11/2008 13:44:08
That was a good one! John McCain is aiding and abbetting himself!
Raine on 09/11/2008 13:44:08
Quote by velveeta jones:
That was a good one! John McCain is aiding and abbetting himself!
Comment by 
Scoopster on 09/11/2008 13:44:34
Scoopster on 09/11/2008 13:44:34
Morning all...
For the past six years, I've marked this day by picking a place to post my now well-told story about the first moment I heard about what was going on. I don't know if anyone knew what that day had to bring, nor the way it would change our lives for years to come.
Today I was on my way to work, feeling the same chilly September morning, looking up to the same clear sky, listening to silly radio bits, and it occurred to me that we're in the same situation - our country is under attack, not from abroad, but from within. However this time through our own strength and determination we could help shape the events that would change our lives, our country, and our world for years to come.
We can't go back and reclaim what might have been. We can only go forward and reclaim what has been taken from us, both by those who wounded us with their attacks and by those among us who turned that event to their own prejudicial and power-hungry devices.
For the past six years, I've marked this day by picking a place to post my now well-told story about the first moment I heard about what was going on. I don't know if anyone knew what that day had to bring, nor the way it would change our lives for years to come.
Today I was on my way to work, feeling the same chilly September morning, looking up to the same clear sky, listening to silly radio bits, and it occurred to me that we're in the same situation - our country is under attack, not from abroad, but from within. However this time through our own strength and determination we could help shape the events that would change our lives, our country, and our world for years to come.
We can't go back and reclaim what might have been. We can only go forward and reclaim what has been taken from us, both by those who wounded us with their attacks and by those among us who turned that event to their own prejudicial and power-hungry devices.
Comment by BobR on 09/11/2008 13:45:30
Do you think the plane you saw was the one that supposedly hit the Pentagon?... Did it look like a commercial jet or a military jet or a drone?
BobR on 09/11/2008 13:45:30
Quote by wickedpam:
I was driving to work and the morning show said something about a plane hitting the WTC, they thought it was just a small personal plane, no one knew what was going on but everyone's first thought was to hope people were okay.
Then getting closer to work sitting at a light I happen too look up and see a plane turning back toward National and thinking it odd to see a plane at that time in that place. Came over a small hill a few minutes later and saw smoke way off in the distance and knew it couldn't be good.
In the office we had a hard time getting the TV to tune into something with just rabbit ears but still beinga able to see the buildings fall.
It's all still very clear in my head.
Do you think the plane you saw was the one that supposedly hit the Pentagon?... Did it look like a commercial jet or a military jet or a drone?
Comment by Raine on 09/11/2008 13:46:38
you can only adopt a soldier if you are part of a hetrosexual couple. 
Raine on 09/11/2008 13:46:38
Quote by wickedpam:
how does one adopt a solider?
Comment by Raine on 09/11/2008 13:48:01
Amen.
Raine on 09/11/2008 13:48:01
Quote by Scoopster:
Morning all...
For the past six years, I've marked this day by picking a place to post my now well-told story about the first moment I heard about what was going on. I don't know if anyone knew what that day had to bring, nor the way it would change our lives for years to come.
Today I was on my way to work, feeling the same chilly September morning, looking up to the same clear sky, listening to silly radio bits, and it occurred to me that we're in the same situation - our country is under attack, not from abroad, but from within. However this time through our own strength and determination we could help shape the events that would change our lives, our country, and our world for years to come.
We can't go back and reclaim what might have been. We can only go forward and reclaim what has been taken from us, both by those who wounded us with their attacks and by those among us who turned that event to their own prejudicial and power-hungry devices.
Comment by wickedpam on 09/11/2008 13:49:28
:rofl:
wickedpam on 09/11/2008 13:49:28
Quote by Raine:you can only adopt a soldier if you are part of a hetrosexual couple.Quote by wickedpam:
how does one adopt a solider?
:rofl:
Comment by Raine on 09/11/2008 13:50:29
Raine on 09/11/2008 13:50:29
Camille looks like Bill The Cat right now. (and no, I won't be taking a picture of her... The poor thing just looks humiliated... I feel so badly for her)
Comment by wickedpam on 09/11/2008 13:52:21
I've often wondered if I did. the point where I saw it I had just come under the beltway ramp and was stopped at van dorn and eisenhower show its very possible. It was a commercial plane didn't see which flyer.
I just remember if being odd to see it.
wickedpam on 09/11/2008 13:52:21
Quote by BobR:Quote by wickedpam:
I was driving to work and the morning show said something about a plane hitting the WTC, they thought it was just a small personal plane, no one knew what was going on but everyone's first thought was to hope people were okay.
Then getting closer to work sitting at a light I happen too look up and see a plane turning back toward National and thinking it odd to see a plane at that time in that place. Came over a small hill a few minutes later and saw smoke way off in the distance and knew it couldn't be good.
In the office we had a hard time getting the TV to tune into something with just rabbit ears but still beinga able to see the buildings fall.
It's all still very clear in my head.
Do you think the plane you saw was the one that supposedly hit the Pentagon?... Did it look like a commercial jet or a military jet or a drone?
I've often wondered if I did. the point where I saw it I had just come under the beltway ramp and was stopped at van dorn and eisenhower show its very possible. It was a commercial plane didn't see which flyer.
I just remember if being odd to see it.
Comment by 
starling310 on 09/11/2008 14:03:24
starling310 on 09/11/2008 14:03:24
Good morning. 
Raine, great post. This entire COUNTRY has indeed become an open wound thanks to Wonder Boy and his buddies.
KO's Special Comment was great last night.
The weather today, in new england, is the same type of morning as it was 7 years ago; an eery reminder.
Raine, great post. This entire COUNTRY has indeed become an open wound thanks to Wonder Boy and his buddies.
KO's Special Comment was great last night.
The weather today, in new england, is the same type of morning as it was 7 years ago; an eery reminder.
Comment by Scoopster on 09/11/2008 14:09:25
Scoopster on 09/11/2008 14:09:25
Comment by starling310 on 09/11/2008 14:09:49
starling310 on 09/11/2008 14:09:49
I was getting ready for work. My girlfriend had already left for work so she was incommunicado, being a teacher. I was picking out clothes to wear, listening to the Dee Snider Show, and "Nick the Intern" interrupted the show a la Cub Reporter Chris Lavoie and said "Hey you guys...a piece of breaking news sort of....a plane just flew into the WTC." They, too, thought it was a private plane, etc.
I went out into the Living Room to check the TV and got there just in time to SEE the 2nd plane fly into the tower. I immediately felt sick....
I did go into work, but the entire we all just sat there watching the monitors. I worked in the call Center back then, so we always had tvs on to watch the market.
It was such a bizarre feeling, that day.
I went out into the Living Room to check the TV and got there just in time to SEE the 2nd plane fly into the tower. I immediately felt sick....
I did go into work, but the entire we all just sat there watching the monitors. I worked in the call Center back then, so we always had tvs on to watch the market.
It was such a bizarre feeling, that day.
Comment by 
clintster on 09/11/2008 14:11:55
Waking up to my clock radio talking about a plane hitting the WTC, turning on my TV and getting my generation's version of Ruby shootng Oswald.
clintster on 09/11/2008 14:11:55
Quote by Mondobubba:Quote by BobR:Quote by Mondobubba:
My brain isn't in class, it is in my kitchen, watching Headline New from 7 years ago
Thinking about driving from the hotel in Jersey City, and a collegue casually mentioning - "hey - the World Trade Center's on fire", none of us realizing the enormity of what had happened, or what was to come.
Simply a few flames licking out of a few windows...
Numbly going to the computer room and telling Mrs Mondo a plane had flown into the WTC.
Waking up to my clock radio talking about a plane hitting the WTC, turning on my TV and getting my generation's version of Ruby shootng Oswald.
Comment by TriSec on 09/11/2008 14:12:21
TriSec on 09/11/2008 14:12:21
You know, I was thinking of the Republicans this morning.
They fall in line behind the President and the Party with their empty looks and pretty smiles, and chant USA! until the cameras shut off.
I wonder if one, just one, anywhere in these United States, sits up alone late at night and wonders "What have I done?"
They fall in line behind the President and the Party with their empty looks and pretty smiles, and chant USA! until the cameras shut off.
I wonder if one, just one, anywhere in these United States, sits up alone late at night and wonders "What have I done?"
Comment by 
trojanrabbit on 09/11/2008 14:12:39
trojanrabbit on 09/11/2008 14:12:39
Good morning everyone!
My back stiffened and I felt a little twinge as my back settled against the very cold, stiff leather car seat this morning. It's just starting to work itself out. Mid 40's. Yuk.
At about 8:50 last night (probably just before Keith went to his Special Comment) I heard a loud hum and thump and watched the bedroom cable box reset itself. The bedroom TiVo seemed to ride through it without a burp, but the living room one (which of course was the one doing the recording) did not. So much for TiVoing the Special Comment :rage:
My back stiffened and I felt a little twinge as my back settled against the very cold, stiff leather car seat this morning. It's just starting to work itself out. Mid 40's. Yuk.
At about 8:50 last night (probably just before Keith went to his Special Comment) I heard a loud hum and thump and watched the bedroom cable box reset itself. The bedroom TiVo seemed to ride through it without a burp, but the living room one (which of course was the one doing the recording) did not. So much for TiVoing the Special Comment :rage:
Comment by Scoopster on 09/11/2008 14:14:36
I was listening to the same radio show.. Had just parked the car and they were going to a commercial break.. I thought it was a radio bit coming up because Dee had a bit of a chuckle in his voice. I shut off the car and didn't think much of it... until the real events started to come out.
Scoopster on 09/11/2008 14:14:36
Quote by starling310:
I was getting ready for work. My girlfriend had already left for work so she was incommunicado, being a teacher. I was picking out clothes to wear, listening to the Dee Snider Show, and "Nick the Intern" interrupted the show a la Cub Reporter Chris Lavoie and said "Hey you guys...a piece of breaking news sort of....a plane just flew into the WTC." They, too, thought it was a private plane, etc.
I was listening to the same radio show.. Had just parked the car and they were going to a commercial break.. I thought it was a radio bit coming up because Dee had a bit of a chuckle in his voice. I shut off the car and didn't think much of it... until the real events started to come out.
Comment by trojanrabbit on 09/11/2008 14:15:22
trojanrabbit on 09/11/2008 14:15:22
Strangely knew nothing about it until a bit later as I was in a work-related class, until we got let out for a break and saw everyone just sorta walking around dazed. Of course by that time there was no way to find out what was going on via internet.
Comment by TriSec on 09/11/2008 14:16:43
Cookies.
This blog needs cookies.
Come on now, you can't feel sad with a mouthful of tollhouse cookie now, can you?
There's some nice hot chocolate simmering on the stove, too.
TriSec on 09/11/2008 14:16:43
Cookies.
This blog needs cookies.
Come on now, you can't feel sad with a mouthful of tollhouse cookie now, can you?
There's some nice hot chocolate simmering on the stove, too.
Comment by trojanrabbit on 09/11/2008 14:18:10
trojanrabbit on 09/11/2008 14:18:10
Wow, was able to hold on at the liveblog until just a minute or so ago - now I'm posting too fast. Oh well, that's it over there until tomorrow. So if any dual-bloggers are around, I guess I involuntarily signed off over there.
Comment by Scoopster on 09/11/2008 14:23:42
Scoopster on 09/11/2008 14:23:42
Oh get this.. I found out the NH State Director for Obama's campaign was Sen. Whitehouse's campaign manager 'cause she sent me a email about the weekend canvassing. I thought she went with him to DC to work on his staff, but I guess she's a road warrior.
Comment by trojanrabbit on 09/11/2008 14:23:59
Geez starling you're right, hadn't noticed until now. Not a cloud in the sky, nothing but jet trails.
trojanrabbit on 09/11/2008 14:23:59
Quote by starling310:
Good morning.
Raine, great post. This entire COUNTRY has indeed become an open wound thanks to Wonder Boy and his buddies.
KO's Special Comment was great last night.
The weather today, in new england, is the same type of morning as it was 7 years ago; an eery reminder.
Geez starling you're right, hadn't noticed until now. Not a cloud in the sky, nothing but jet trails.
Comment by trojanrabbit on 09/11/2008 14:25:36
I feel a diabetic coma coming on....
trojanrabbit on 09/11/2008 14:25:36
Quote by TriSec:
Cookies.
This blog needs cookies.
Come on now, you can't feel sad with a mouthful of tollhouse cookie now, can you?
There's some nice hot chocolate simmering on the stove, too.
I feel a diabetic coma coming on....
Comment by clintster on 09/11/2008 14:26:58
Thankees, Tri. I need 'em right now. We're running a short day today (parent conferences in the PM) and along with the "September the Eleventh" morosity I'm also freaking out over lines for my show.
OOOH! And hot chocolate. Got any whipped cream?
clintster on 09/11/2008 14:26:58
Quote by TriSec:
Cookies.
This blog needs cookies.
Come on now, you can't feel sad with a mouthful of tollhouse cookie now, can you?
There's some nice hot chocolate simmering on the stove, too.
Thankees, Tri. I need 'em right now. We're running a short day today (parent conferences in the PM) and along with the "September the Eleventh" morosity I'm also freaking out over lines for my show.
OOOH! And hot chocolate. Got any whipped cream?
Comment by wickedpam on 09/11/2008 14:27:46
wickedpam on 09/11/2008 14:27:46
dang! now I want cookies
Comment by wickedpam on 09/11/2008 14:32:24
wickedpam on 09/11/2008 14:32:24
I'm a little worried about a couple of college age friends who are currently in the the path of Ike - can they be added to the good thought and vibes list?
Comment by BobR on 09/11/2008 14:34:12
BobR on 09/11/2008 14:34:12
In past years I've posted my complete 9/11 story. I suppose I might as well do it again. Sorry it's so long, but I don't know how to make it any shorter
I was staying in Jersey City the night of Sept. 10 in preparation for a training class I was conducting the next day at a well known insurance company. They are located in a building one short block from the river. For those of you not familiar with the area, Jersey City is located directly across the Hudson River from the World Trade Center.
I met a collegue in the lobby at about 8:50 on the morning of Sept. 11. We had checked out and ran into an employee for the insurance company that was in town from Trenton for the training. Since he had a car and we were about 5 blocks from the building, he offered to drive us. The radio was not on. As we drove he casually commented, "Hey - the World Trade Center is on fire...". We looked over and saw flames licking out from several floors. I thought to myself, "I wonder if it was electrical or some terrorist left a backpack bomb in a restroom?"
We got to the main drag and saw lots of people running in both directions, towards and away from the river. We parked the car in a deck beneath a building directly on the river and walked to the office building. People were evacuating the building we were parked in - I thought I overhead something about a "bomb threat". I walked into a deli to get a bagel before the training and was told that an airplane had hit the tower. I naturally assumed a terrorist had flown a private plane loaded with explosives into the tower.
It wasn't until we actually got inside the office that we found out it had been a hijacked airliner. As we gamely tried to setup our equipment, the events unfolded - the Pentagon being hit, the second tower being hit, and then finally the tower collapsing. Due to company security policies, we had been parked in a conference room with no access to the outside world. We waited for what seemed like a very long time, and saw people running through the halls crying. It occurred to me that New Jersey (at least that part) is really just a suburb of NYC. I also remembered on a previous visit (when we had stayed in NYC) sitting on the dock of the ferry on the NYC side waiting for the boat to take us across to Jersey City, and seeing packed ferries unloading New Jersey citizens loaded with brief cases and cell phones on their way to the financial district to work.
Finally, we were told that the FBI was evacuating all of the tall buildings along the river. We also found out that all flights were cancelled. We called the hotel to get our rooms back, but all the rooms were taken already. As we left the building, I looked over at the Twin Towers and was shocked. When we had walked in, there were flames licking out of one of the buildings. Now there was a huge cloud of thick black smoke and there was an empty space where one of the towers had once stood.
We were told by police to evacuate away from the river. Our suitcases were in the trunk of the car parked beneath the building on the river. The thought of being on foot in Jersey City with no clothes and no place to stay in the middle of what appeared to be a declaration of war on the United States was a bit scary. Fortunately, the police let us go pick up the car. Even more fortunate was that we even HAD someone with a car. As we drove away, the second tower fell. We inched our way out of Jersey City, and began looking for a place to spend the night.
I could not get a cell phone signal. By now, my home office and my wife (at the time) had been trying to get ahold me for about 3 hrs. We drove , no map, not really knowing where we were going, only knowing that we needed to find a hotel, and our customer's collegue had to get back home. We finally got the last two rooms in a shabby Howard Johnsons in N. Plainfield NJ. I also managed to get a message back to my office and get my wife on the phone to let them know I was okay. It wasn't until we got checked in and I watched the footage on TV did the scale of everything really sink in. I felt very alone and wanted nothing more than to be home with my wife.
The next day we rented a car (one way) and drove the 14 1/2 hrs home.
There have been many stories about lucky people who did not go to work that day and were spared. For me, I had been up for a preliminary visit two weeks prior to 9/11 and stayed at the Marriott at the World Trade Center. I would have stayed there again on the night of 9/10, except there was some sort of conference scheduled and the hotel had jacked up the rates. We had to stay in N.J to save money.
Otherwise, I would have been walking through the lobby of the Word Trade Center about the time the first plane hit.
I was staying in Jersey City the night of Sept. 10 in preparation for a training class I was conducting the next day at a well known insurance company. They are located in a building one short block from the river. For those of you not familiar with the area, Jersey City is located directly across the Hudson River from the World Trade Center.
I met a collegue in the lobby at about 8:50 on the morning of Sept. 11. We had checked out and ran into an employee for the insurance company that was in town from Trenton for the training. Since he had a car and we were about 5 blocks from the building, he offered to drive us. The radio was not on. As we drove he casually commented, "Hey - the World Trade Center is on fire...". We looked over and saw flames licking out from several floors. I thought to myself, "I wonder if it was electrical or some terrorist left a backpack bomb in a restroom?"
We got to the main drag and saw lots of people running in both directions, towards and away from the river. We parked the car in a deck beneath a building directly on the river and walked to the office building. People were evacuating the building we were parked in - I thought I overhead something about a "bomb threat". I walked into a deli to get a bagel before the training and was told that an airplane had hit the tower. I naturally assumed a terrorist had flown a private plane loaded with explosives into the tower.
It wasn't until we actually got inside the office that we found out it had been a hijacked airliner. As we gamely tried to setup our equipment, the events unfolded - the Pentagon being hit, the second tower being hit, and then finally the tower collapsing. Due to company security policies, we had been parked in a conference room with no access to the outside world. We waited for what seemed like a very long time, and saw people running through the halls crying. It occurred to me that New Jersey (at least that part) is really just a suburb of NYC. I also remembered on a previous visit (when we had stayed in NYC) sitting on the dock of the ferry on the NYC side waiting for the boat to take us across to Jersey City, and seeing packed ferries unloading New Jersey citizens loaded with brief cases and cell phones on their way to the financial district to work.
Finally, we were told that the FBI was evacuating all of the tall buildings along the river. We also found out that all flights were cancelled. We called the hotel to get our rooms back, but all the rooms were taken already. As we left the building, I looked over at the Twin Towers and was shocked. When we had walked in, there were flames licking out of one of the buildings. Now there was a huge cloud of thick black smoke and there was an empty space where one of the towers had once stood.
We were told by police to evacuate away from the river. Our suitcases were in the trunk of the car parked beneath the building on the river. The thought of being on foot in Jersey City with no clothes and no place to stay in the middle of what appeared to be a declaration of war on the United States was a bit scary. Fortunately, the police let us go pick up the car. Even more fortunate was that we even HAD someone with a car. As we drove away, the second tower fell. We inched our way out of Jersey City, and began looking for a place to spend the night.
I could not get a cell phone signal. By now, my home office and my wife (at the time) had been trying to get ahold me for about 3 hrs. We drove , no map, not really knowing where we were going, only knowing that we needed to find a hotel, and our customer's collegue had to get back home. We finally got the last two rooms in a shabby Howard Johnsons in N. Plainfield NJ. I also managed to get a message back to my office and get my wife on the phone to let them know I was okay. It wasn't until we got checked in and I watched the footage on TV did the scale of everything really sink in. I felt very alone and wanted nothing more than to be home with my wife.
The next day we rented a car (one way) and drove the 14 1/2 hrs home.
There have been many stories about lucky people who did not go to work that day and were spared. For me, I had been up for a preliminary visit two weeks prior to 9/11 and stayed at the Marriott at the World Trade Center. I would have stayed there again on the night of 9/10, except there was some sort of conference scheduled and the hotel had jacked up the rates. We had to stay in N.J to save money.
Otherwise, I would have been walking through the lobby of the Word Trade Center about the time the first plane hit.
Comment by Scoopster on 09/11/2008 14:35:24
Scoopster on 09/11/2008 14:35:24
Start saying it now, and loud. So loud that even Obama himself will have to replace his campaign slogan.
ENOUGH IS ENOUGH
ENOUGH IS ENOUGH
ENOUGH IS ENOUGH
ENOUGH IS ENOUGH
ENOUGH IS ENOUGH
ENOUGH IS ENOUGH
ENOUGH IS ENOUGH
ENOUGH IS ENOUGH
ENOUGH IS ENOUGH
ENOUGH IS ENOUGH
ENOUGH IS ENOUGH
ENOUGH IS ENOUGH
ENOUGH IS ENOUGH
ENOUGH IS ENOUGH
ENOUGH IS ENOUGH
ENOUGH IS ENOUGH
ENOUGH IS ENOUGH
Comment by Raine on 09/11/2008 14:38:27
Raine on 09/11/2008 14:38:27
Comment by BobR on 09/11/2008 14:40:30
That caller said he doesn't know what to believe about the library issue?
This is one of those times the M$M actually DID do the job they are meant to do... PASS this AROUND.
This is NOT A FAKE!!!
BobR on 09/11/2008 14:40:30
Quote by Raine:
ABC reports on Sarah Censorship Palin.
That caller said he doesn't know what to believe about the library issue?
This is one of those times the M$M actually DID do the job they are meant to do... PASS this AROUND.
This is NOT A FAKE!!!
Comment by TriSec on 09/11/2008 14:51:48
TriSec on 09/11/2008 14:51:48
Geez, I've never really tried to write down 'my' September 11 story. I'm a bit further afield 200 miles from NYC, but the flights did originate here, and I know someone that was almost on one of those planes.
I also have a dear friend that was in the North Tower and lived to tell the tale...
I also have a dear friend that was in the North Tower and lived to tell the tale...
Comment by Raine on 09/11/2008 14:52:41
Raine on 09/11/2008 14:52:41
OOps. I was logged in on the laptop as BobR there...
Comment by wickedpam on 09/11/2008 14:52:47
isn't that a Donna Summer song?
wickedpam on 09/11/2008 14:52:47
Quote by Scoopster:
Start saying it now, and loud. So loud that even Obama himself will have to replace his campaign slogan.ENOUGH IS ENOUGH
ENOUGH IS ENOUGH
ENOUGH IS ENOUGH
ENOUGH IS ENOUGH
ENOUGH IS ENOUGH
ENOUGH IS ENOUGH
ENOUGH IS ENOUGH
ENOUGH IS ENOUGH
ENOUGH IS ENOUGH
isn't that a Donna Summer song?
Comment by BobR on 09/11/2008 14:53:16
BobR on 09/11/2008 14:53:16
Could the Republicans be so smart as to release a bunch of bogus stories and photos to muddy the waters so that when the truth about Palin DOES come out, it's dismissed as yet another false story?
Comment by Scoopster on 09/11/2008 14:57:39
Looks like a duet with Barbara Streisand..
Scoopster on 09/11/2008 14:57:39
Quote by wickedpam:Quote by Scoopster:
Start saying it now, and loud. So loud that even Obama himself will have to replace his campaign slogan.ENOUGH IS ENOUGH
ENOUGH IS ENOUGH
ENOUGH IS ENOUGH
ENOUGH IS ENOUGH
ENOUGH IS ENOUGH
ENOUGH IS ENOUGH
ENOUGH IS ENOUGH
ENOUGH IS ENOUGH
ENOUGH IS ENOUGH
isn't that a Donna Summer song?
Looks like a duet with Barbara Streisand..
Comment by Raine on 09/11/2008 14:59:06
I trust Vote Vets ANYDAY over John McCain. That is for DAMN sure.
A great ad... and I look forward to many more like this from all of the groups that know how to do the thing they do.
Raine on 09/11/2008 14:59:06
I trust Vote Vets ANYDAY over John McCain. That is for DAMN sure.
A great ad... and I look forward to many more like this from all of the groups that know how to do the thing they do.
Comment by Raine on 09/11/2008 15:00:35
Joe Biden ::: Yes.
It was, after all John McCain himself who leaked the story about bristol Palin being pregnant.
Raine on 09/11/2008 15:00:35
Quote by BobR:
Could the Republicans be so smart as to release a bunch of bogus stories and photos to muddy the waters so that when the truth about Palin DOES come out, it's dismissed as yet another false story?
Joe Biden ::: Yes.
It was, after all John McCain himself who leaked the story about bristol Palin being pregnant.
Comment by BobR on 09/11/2008 15:12:40
BobR on 09/11/2008 15:12:40
Comment by wickedpam on 09/11/2008 15:12:53
Shane-O? Any thought for your excellent editing and mashing?
wickedpam on 09/11/2008 15:12:53
Quote by Scoopster:Quote by wickedpam:Quote by Scoopster:
Start saying it now, and loud. So loud that even Obama himself will have to replace his campaign slogan.ENOUGH IS ENOUGH
ENOUGH IS ENOUGH
ENOUGH IS ENOUGH
ENOUGH IS ENOUGH
ENOUGH IS ENOUGH
ENOUGH IS ENOUGH
ENOUGH IS ENOUGH
ENOUGH IS ENOUGH
ENOUGH IS ENOUGH
isn't that a Donna Summer song?
Looks like a duet with Barbara Streisand..
Shane-O? Any thought for your excellent editing and mashing?
Comment by 
livingonli on 09/11/2008 15:13:18
livingonli on 09/11/2008 15:13:18
A belated good morning. I did not feel like getting out of bed this morning. I don't know if it's because of the 9/11 anniversary or the fact that I am going back to work today. I did go to bed later than I thought I would but it would be my standard bedtime since I work so late.
All the NYC stations still show the reading of the names ceremony.
All the NYC stations still show the reading of the names ceremony.
Comment by livingonli on 09/11/2008 15:15:34
So is the GOP calls for Drill, Drill, Drill another sign of sexual inadequacy for Republicans like owning a Hummer?
livingonli on 09/11/2008 15:15:34
Quote by BobR:
Oil Broker's sex-scandal may scuttle off-shore drilling push
:)
So is the GOP calls for Drill, Drill, Drill another sign of sexual inadequacy for Republicans like owning a Hummer?
Comment by BobR on 09/11/2008 15:17:19
BobR on 09/11/2008 15:17:19
John McCain knew about Cindy's drug problem, despite the official story that he didn't
Is McCain a serial liar too?
Is McCain a serial liar too?
Comment by BobR on 09/11/2008 15:21:41
:lol:
BobR on 09/11/2008 15:21:41
Quote by livingonli:
So is the GOP calls for Drill, Drill, Drill another sign of sexual inadequacy for Republicans like owning a Hummer?
:lol:
Comment by wickedpam on 09/11/2008 15:22:31
Yeah, I noticed you were up late on the facecrack
wickedpam on 09/11/2008 15:22:31
Quote by livingonli:
A belated good morning. I did not feel like getting out of bed this morning. I don't know if it's because of the 9/11 anniversary or the fact that I am going back to work today. I did go to bed later than I thought I would but it would be my standard bedtime since I work so late.
All the NYC stations still show the reading of the names ceremony.
Yeah, I noticed you were up late on the facecrack
Comment by Raine on 09/11/2008 15:23:26
Raine on 09/11/2008 15:23:26
White House says Osama Bin Laden NOT the mastermind of the 9/11 attacks.
Q But Osama bin Laden is the one that — you keep talking about his lieutenants, and, yes, they are very important, but Osama bin Laden was the mastermind of 9/11 –
PERINO: No, Khalid Sheikh Mohammed was the mastermind of 9/11, and he’s sitting in jail right now.
Q But Osama bin Laden is the one that — you keep talking about his lieutenants, and, yes, they are very important, but Osama bin Laden was the mastermind of 9/11 –
PERINO: No, Khalid Sheikh Mohammed was the mastermind of 9/11, and he’s sitting in jail right now.
Comment by livingonli on 09/11/2008 15:23:53
Yes. I think he sold his soul for his ambition to become President. Maybe that explains why his campaign seemed dead in the water in late '07 but he became the nominee.
livingonli on 09/11/2008 15:23:53
Quote by BobR:
John McCain knew about Cindy's drug problem, despite the official story that he didn't
Is McCain a serial liar too?
Yes. I think he sold his soul for his ambition to become President. Maybe that explains why his campaign seemed dead in the water in late '07 but he became the nominee.
Comment by TriSec on 09/11/2008 15:24:30
TriSec on 09/11/2008 15:24:30
Should I dread going to sleep tonight?
I don't know about anyone else....but the dreams were the worst.
For at least two weeks afterwards, I did not get a full nights' sleep; night after night, I had the same dream that woke me up in a terror....had to go downstairs and sit in the dark until I was able to calm down again.
I don't know about anyone else....but the dreams were the worst.
For at least two weeks afterwards, I did not get a full nights' sleep; night after night, I had the same dream that woke me up in a terror....had to go downstairs and sit in the dark until I was able to calm down again.
Comment by Raine on 09/11/2008 15:25:59
am hoping that this becomes a bigger deal TOMORROW, after all today is the day when big stories get forgotten about.
It seems as tho John McCain may have really abused his power to cover this up. Either he is a serial liar or he quite possibly broke the law. I am waiting for a followup with this.
Raine on 09/11/2008 15:25:59
Quote by BobR:
John McCain knew about Cindy's drug problem, despite the official story that he didn't
Is McCain a serial liar too?
It seems as tho John McCain may have really abused his power to cover this up. Either he is a serial liar or he quite possibly broke the law. I am waiting for a followup with this.
Comment by Raine on 09/11/2008 15:27:22
Raine on 09/11/2008 15:27:22
Everyone thought I was nutz, and I prolly was... but I went to the City the next day, I had just started that job, and I didn't want to lose it. I guess I didn't realize that pretty much EVERYTHING in NYC was closed.
Comment by 
m-hadley on 09/11/2008 15:28:33
m-hadley on 09/11/2008 15:28:33
Mornin' Everybody,
Been getting slammed at work with new students who have loads of questions - imagine that But just wanted to stop by and say hey and thank Raine for another thoughtful post I also wanted to recommend Gail Collins' op-ed piece in today's NYTimes. It calmed my very frayed nerves. I have been worried sick by the Palin Party that this country seems to be smitten with, but I gotta believe that over time, as the truth comes out, people will see the light. 
Cheers,
mfaye
:dance: &
Been getting slammed at work with new students who have loads of questions - imagine that
But just wanted to stop by and say hey and thank Raine for another thoughtful post I also wanted to recommend Gail Collins' op-ed piece in today's NYTimes. It calmed my very frayed nerves. I have been worried sick by the Palin Party that this country seems to be smitten with, but I gotta believe that over time, as the truth comes out, people will see the light. Cheers,
mfaye
:dance: &
Comment by livingonli on 09/11/2008 15:31:44
livingonli on 09/11/2008 15:31:44
If people wake up and realize that Palin is a far-right wing whack job with questionable ethics than the McCain campaign is toast.
Comment by Mondobubba on 09/11/2008 15:40:32
Why KO covered that in the "Bushed" segment last night. There is an article in the NYT too.
Mondobubba on 09/11/2008 15:40:32
Quote by BobR:
Oil Broker's sex-scandal may scuttle off-shore drilling push
:)
Why KO covered that in the "Bushed" segment last night. There is an article in the NYT too.
Comment by Scoopster on 09/11/2008 15:42:35
Scoopster on 09/11/2008 15:42:35
I think Obama should change the theme of his campaign to be more specific - from change to anti-corruption.
He needs to go after McCain for his involvement with Keating and Abramoff. Running against the influence of lobbyists worked for the Dems in 2006, and worked well. Plus you have Palin's ties to Abramoff when she was mayor. Plus you have McCain's hypocrisy on campaign finance reform. Plus you have Obama's greatest achievement in the Senate - the lobbying and ethics reform bill.
McCain wants to steal the change theme - go ahead and let him. We'll tear that bullshit mantra apart until there's nothing left but the checks that the Indians wrote.
He needs to go after McCain for his involvement with Keating and Abramoff. Running against the influence of lobbyists worked for the Dems in 2006, and worked well. Plus you have Palin's ties to Abramoff when she was mayor. Plus you have McCain's hypocrisy on campaign finance reform. Plus you have Obama's greatest achievement in the Senate - the lobbying and ethics reform bill.
McCain wants to steal the change theme - go ahead and let him. We'll tear that bullshit mantra apart until there's nothing left but the checks that the Indians wrote.
Comment by wickedpam on 09/11/2008 15:44:35
wickedpam on 09/11/2008 15:44:35
I so consider myself extremely lucky I got into my house the year before everything went nuts
Comment by BobR on 09/11/2008 15:46:29
From the op-ed piece:
:lol:
BobR on 09/11/2008 15:46:29
Quote by m-hadley:
Mornin' Everybody,
Been getting slammed at work with new students who have loads of questions - imagine that
Cheers,
mfaye
:dance: &
From the op-ed piece:
If you really want to see a strange line of attack, take a look at the wolf ad. It cuts from Palin’s face to Obama’s to packs of wolves prowling through the forest, presumably in search of vice-presidential prey. Then comes the text claiming that as Barack drops in the polls, “he’ll try to destroy her.” Given Palin’s affection for shooting wolves from airplanes with high-powered rifles, it’d be more appropriate to have them cowering in their dens while she aims her machine gun from a diving Cessna.
:lol:
Comment by BobR on 09/11/2008 15:49:12
I missed KO and the NYT...
The point of the linked article isn't so much the scandal itself, but the cooling effect it will have on the rush to Drill, baby Drill!
BobR on 09/11/2008 15:49:12
Quote by Mondobubba:
Why KO covered that in the "Bushed" segment last night. There is an article in the NYT too.
I missed KO and the NYT...
The point of the linked article isn't so much the scandal itself, but the cooling effect it will have on the rush to Drill, baby Drill!
Comment by Mondobubba on 09/11/2008 15:55:48
Mondobubba on 09/11/2008 15:55:48
To finish my story o' 9/11.
I went back in the kitchen just as the second plane hit. I went to work with the NPR mosheen on. Since my office was in the AOL call center, there wasn't much calling going on, but all the TVs were on showing what was happening. My time line is still screwed up, but I think they were showing the replay of the Towers crashing when I walked it.
I got to my desk and comiserated with my coworkers and tried to do a little work. One of my coworkers was really, really freaking out. She kept calling out things in a minute by minute detail. It was getting on everybody's nerves. I very politely told her we are all very upset, and her commentary wasn't helping. I think I gave her and told her things were going to be okay. Anyway she calmed down. Since nothing was getting done, nobody was calling, grief was in the air all over the country. AOL sent everybody home.
On my way home I found myself thinking on how is Bush going to use this for political advantage. That was one of my big concerns, what was he going to do next.
Mrs Mondo & I watched the news until we couldn't stand it anymore.
To be honest, we both didn't feel any connection to what was happening in NYC. No friends, no family there. What made it so personal for us was the attack on the Pentagon. These bastards had attacked our home town! Especially for Mrs Mondo, she was raised in Arlington, not that far from the Pentagon. For me it was a place I had been to, where my dad had worked. Where friends of my had worked.
I went back in the kitchen just as the second plane hit. I went to work with the NPR mosheen on. Since my office was in the AOL call center, there wasn't much calling going on, but all the TVs were on showing what was happening. My time line is still screwed up, but I think they were showing the replay of the Towers crashing when I walked it.
I got to my desk and comiserated with my coworkers and tried to do a little work. One of my coworkers was really, really freaking out. She kept calling out things in a minute by minute detail. It was getting on everybody's nerves. I very politely told her we are all very upset, and her commentary wasn't helping. I think I gave her and told her things were going to be okay. Anyway she calmed down. Since nothing was getting done, nobody was calling, grief was in the air all over the country. AOL sent everybody home.
On my way home I found myself thinking on how is Bush going to use this for political advantage. That was one of my big concerns, what was he going to do next.
Mrs Mondo & I watched the news until we couldn't stand it anymore.
To be honest, we both didn't feel any connection to what was happening in NYC. No friends, no family there. What made it so personal for us was the attack on the Pentagon. These bastards had attacked our home town! Especially for Mrs Mondo, she was raised in Arlington, not that far from the Pentagon. For me it was a place I had been to, where my dad had worked. Where friends of my had worked.
Comment by Mondobubba on 09/11/2008 15:57:16
KO and the Times didn't hit that. It is one of the weirdest scandals ever.
Mondobubba on 09/11/2008 15:57:16
Quote by BobR:Quote by Mondobubba:
Why KO covered that in the "Bushed" segment last night. There is an article in the NYT too.
I missed KO and the NYT...
The point of the linked article isn't so much the scandal itself, but the cooling effect it will have on the rush to Drill, baby Drill!
KO and the Times didn't hit that. It is one of the weirdest scandals ever.
Comment by wickedpam on 09/11/2008 15:59:01
wickedpam on 09/11/2008 15:59:01
okay - running out to do errands and stuff - see everyone later :D
Comment by starling310 on 09/11/2008 16:01:25
starling310 on 09/11/2008 16:01:25
Oof...we're back. I lost the blog for a while there.
Why does "Buddy" now call in as "Tom?"
Why does "Buddy" now call in as "Tom?"
Comment by Raine on 09/11/2008 16:01:42
Raine on 09/11/2008 16:01:42
Can someone please tell me why they would put a memorial on the grounds of one of the MOST high security building in the world?
Wouldn't you want the pentagon to NOT be the center of attention?
Wouldn't you want the pentagon to NOT be the center of attention?
Comment by Raine on 09/11/2008 16:11:17
Raine on 09/11/2008 16:11:17
I am reticent to post my 9/11 story this year. I feel so disconnected from that day sometimes it seems. I do not want to turn on the TV. I don't want to see those images. Everytime I see them, I think about how the republicans stole my personal remembrance.
And I plan on reclaiming it, it whatever way I can.
And I plan on reclaiming it, it whatever way I can.
Comment by starling310 on 09/11/2008 16:15:12
starling310 on 09/11/2008 16:15:12
Where's Thom? 
Comment by Raine on 09/11/2008 16:19:36
Raine on 09/11/2008 16:19:36
Ok, everyone, I don't normally do this... but every once in a while... It is good to think about our long term health.
This one is for the guys.... Meet Prostate Pete!!!
This one is for the guys.... Meet Prostate Pete!!!
Comment by Raine on 09/11/2008 16:23:13
HE said he is traveling to do research for a book... he did not disclose where he is going... he is hoping to be back on air Monday.
Raine on 09/11/2008 16:23:13
Quote by starling310:
Where's Thom?
HE said he is traveling to do research for a book... he did not disclose where he is going... he is hoping to be back on air Monday.
Comment by Mondobubba on 09/11/2008 16:35:21
Mondobubba on 09/11/2008 16:35:21
Tri, I got to class early and the sounds coming out of my instructor's computers would have brought you joy. The sounds of flaps coming down, full reverse on the old thrusters and the sounds of tires hitting tarmac.
Yep flight sim guy.
Yep flight sim guy.
Comment by starling310 on 09/11/2008 16:35:56
That Thom...always working!
"It's hard work."
starling310 on 09/11/2008 16:35:56
Quote by Raine:Quote by starling310:
Where's Thom?
HE said he is traveling to do research for a book... he did not disclose where he is going... he is hoping to be back on air Monday.
That Thom...always working!
"It's hard work."
Comment by Mondobubba on 09/11/2008 16:38:06
As somebody who has had prostrate issues, Raine is right on! Get it checked guys. It isn't that bad and exam. Okay the last time I had it done, I did think to myself, "Doc, you ever served any time." But it was brief and not that painful.
Mondobubba on 09/11/2008 16:38:06
Quote by Raine:
Ok, everyone, I don't normally do this... but every once in a while... It is good to think about our long term health.
This one is for the guys.... Meet Prostate Pete!!!
As somebody who has had prostrate issues, Raine is right on! Get it checked guys. It isn't that bad and exam. Okay the last time I had it done, I did think to myself, "Doc, you ever served any time." But it was brief and not that painful.
Comment by livingonli on 09/11/2008 16:47:35
Did you see the Family Guy episode when Pete got a prostate exam and then sued his doctor for trying to molest him and everyone turns their prostate exam into a horror story.
livingonli on 09/11/2008 16:47:35
Quote by Mondobubba:Quote by Raine:
Ok, everyone, I don't normally do this... but every once in a while... It is good to think about our long term health.
This one is for the guys.... Meet Prostate Pete!!!
As somebody who has had prostrate issues, Raine is right on! Get it checked guys. It isn't that bad and exam. Okay the last time I had it done, I did think to myself, "Doc, you ever served any time." But it was brief and not that painful.
Did you see the Family Guy episode when Pete got a prostate exam and then sued his doctor for trying to molest him and everyone turns their prostate exam into a horror story.
Comment by Raine on 09/11/2008 16:55:14
How cool was the quiz, Liv?
:poke: <--- see not that painful...
And seriously... how about that Prostate Pete?
Raine on 09/11/2008 16:55:14
Quote by livingonli:Quote by Mondobubba:Quote by Raine:
Ok, everyone, I don't normally do this... but every once in a while... It is good to think about our long term health.
This one is for the guys.... Meet Prostate Pete!!!
As somebody who has had prostrate issues, Raine is right on! Get it checked guys. It isn't that bad and exam. Okay the last time I had it done, I did think to myself, "Doc, you ever served any time." But it was brief and not that painful.
Did you see the Family Guy episode when Pete got a prostate exam and then sued his doctor for trying to molest him and everyone turns their prostate exam into a horror story.
How cool was the quiz, Liv?
:poke: <--- see not that painful...
And seriously... how about that Prostate Pete?
Comment by livingonli on 09/11/2008 17:01:50
He's cooler than Pete Puma.
livingonli on 09/11/2008 17:01:50
Quote by Raine:Quote by livingonli:Quote by Mondobubba:Quote by Raine:
Ok, everyone, I don't normally do this... but every once in a while... It is good to think about our long term health.
This one is for the guys.... Meet Prostate Pete!!!
As somebody who has had prostrate issues, Raine is right on! Get it checked guys. It isn't that bad and exam. Okay the last time I had it done, I did think to myself, "Doc, you ever served any time." But it was brief and not that painful.
Did you see the Family Guy episode when Pete got a prostate exam and then sued his doctor for trying to molest him and everyone turns their prostate exam into a horror story.
How cool was the quiz, Liv?
:poke: <--- see not that painful...
And seriously... how about that Prostate Pete?
He's cooler than Pete Puma.
Comment by TriSec on 09/11/2008 17:07:46
TriSec on 09/11/2008 17:07:46
Anti-American Liberal Rant:
I noticed at lunch that all the flags around my building are at half-staff. Was there an executive order declaring today a national day of mourning? Otherwise, this is wrong. Only the president has the authority to order the flags lowered; local folks can't do it.
Actually, this has irritated me for quite some time. It might seem to be the right thing to do if a soldier is killed, but every time there's a shooting, or a drunk-driving accident involving high school kids, their school is quick to lower the flags.
You might be trying to honor them, but by lowering the flags for every damn thing, it CHEAPENS the honor. Save it for the things that truly matter....like 9/11 or 12/7 or Memorial day...
end liberal anti-american rant.
I noticed at lunch that all the flags around my building are at half-staff. Was there an executive order declaring today a national day of mourning? Otherwise, this is wrong. Only the president has the authority to order the flags lowered; local folks can't do it.
Actually, this has irritated me for quite some time. It might seem to be the right thing to do if a soldier is killed, but every time there's a shooting, or a drunk-driving accident involving high school kids, their school is quick to lower the flags.
You might be trying to honor them, but by lowering the flags for every damn thing, it CHEAPENS the honor. Save it for the things that truly matter....like 9/11 or 12/7 or Memorial day...
end liberal anti-american rant.
Comment by TriSec on 09/11/2008 17:09:26
Heh. I rarely fly jets....radial engines don't need no stinkin' thrust reversers!
TriSec on 09/11/2008 17:09:26
Quote by Mondobubba:
Tri, I got to class early and the sounds coming out of my instructor's computers would have brought you joy. The sounds of flaps coming down, full reverse on the old thrusters and the sounds of tires hitting tarmac.
Yep flight sim guy.
Heh. I rarely fly jets....radial engines don't need no stinkin' thrust reversers!
Comment by livingonli on 09/11/2008 17:18:52
livingonli on 09/11/2008 17:18:52
It is true that our media has become the most dumbed-down of any Western Country. Media consolidation and the obsession with profits has contributed to it. If it weren't for the alternative press, the foreign press or the internet I wouldn't know what's really going on.
Comment by TriSec on 09/11/2008 17:56:56
TriSec on 09/11/2008 17:56:56
"Love the Sinner, Hate the Sin"
Were we all too quick to judge Bristol Palin? (yes, I'm listening to right-wing radio right now.) The discussion is about how liberals don't understand what the religious right means when they say "family values". They went on to mention young Ms. Palin, and that the right reacting the way they did (embracing and accepting it) IS actually in line with some of those "Christian values". They may hate what she did, but they don't hate her.
To us, that looks hypocritical, but maybe it isn't?
Were we all too quick to judge Bristol Palin? (yes, I'm listening to right-wing radio right now.) The discussion is about how liberals don't understand what the religious right means when they say "family values". They went on to mention young Ms. Palin, and that the right reacting the way they did (embracing and accepting it) IS actually in line with some of those "Christian values". They may hate what she did, but they don't hate her.
To us, that looks hypocritical, but maybe it isn't?
Comment by TriSec on 09/11/2008 18:19:27
TriSec on 09/11/2008 18:19:27
And now I've got some Right-wing spin on the Bridge to Nowhere....
It was OK for Gov. Palin to keep the money. The bridge to nowhere was a rider on a transportation bill; she took the money and spent it on transportation projects elsewhere in the state...
Never mind that it's not the keeping and spending of the money that's an issue; it's what she said she did with it.
It was OK for Gov. Palin to keep the money. The bridge to nowhere was a rider on a transportation bill; she took the money and spent it on transportation projects elsewhere in the state...
Never mind that it's not the keeping and spending of the money that's an issue; it's what she said she did with it.
Comment by TriSec on 09/11/2008 18:28:53
TriSec on 09/11/2008 18:28:53
OK, I was actually enjoying this little program, until they went into "WTF-Land".
"Men are democrats because democrats support abortion and they won't have to pay child support..."
"Men are democrats because democrats support abortion and they won't have to pay child support..."
Comment by 
Shane-O on 09/11/2008 18:43:18
Shane-O on 09/11/2008 18:43:18
Has anyone pointed out the blatant double standard being employed by the military today - with regard to campaigning?
Sen. Obama was not allowed to visit wounded troops in Germany (no speeches. no media), because it was seen as a "campaign event." And the military does not allow campaigning on military bases.
However, today, Gov. Palin will be giving a PUBLIC speech, being covered by the press - on a military base in Alaska.
Hypocrites.
Sen. Obama was not allowed to visit wounded troops in Germany (no speeches. no media), because it was seen as a "campaign event." And the military does not allow campaigning on military bases.
However, today, Gov. Palin will be giving a PUBLIC speech, being covered by the press - on a military base in Alaska.
Hypocrites.
Comment by Raine on 09/11/2008 18:44:25
The wingers don't get to corner that one Tri. Dems have ALWAYS loved the alleged Sinner and hated the sin. You think we LOVE aseeing people on welfare? Do we love watching people who are in rehab?
No... We just don't try to legislate the sin away like they do. I never hated Bristol Palin. I actually felt bad for her becuase the reality is that she did not have a choice. They forced the "sin" upon her.
So don't tell me you love someone who you force into an act you say you hate.
Raine on 09/11/2008 18:44:25
Quote by TriSec:
"Love the Sinner, Hate the Sin"
Were we all too quick to judge Bristol Palin? (yes, I'm listening to right-wing radio right now.) The discussion is about how liberals don't understand what the religious right means when they say "family values". They went on to mention young Ms. Palin, and that the right reacting the way they did (embracing and accepting it) IS actually in line with some of those "Christian values". They may hate what she did, but they don't hate her.
To us, that looks hypocritical, but maybe it isn't?
No... We just don't try to legislate the sin away like they do. I never hated Bristol Palin. I actually felt bad for her becuase the reality is that she did not have a choice. They forced the "sin" upon her.
So don't tell me you love someone who you force into an act you say you hate.
Comment by Raine on 09/11/2008 18:45:05
WTF?!?!?!
Raine on 09/11/2008 18:45:05
Quote by Shane-O:
Has anyone pointed out the blatant double standard being employed by the military today - with regard to campaigning?
Sen. Obama was not allowed to visit wounded troops in Germany (no speeches. no media), because it was seen as a "campaign event." And the military does not allow campaigning on military bases.
However, today, Gov. Palin will be giving a PUBLIC speech, being covered by the press - on a military base in Alaska.
Hypocrites.
Comment by Raine on 09/11/2008 18:46:29
So when is pork not pork? When it is smoked ham?
Raine on 09/11/2008 18:46:29
Quote by TriSec:
And now I've got some Right-wing spin on the Bridge to Nowhere....
It was OK for Gov. Palin to keep the money. The bridge to nowhere was a rider on a transportation bill; she took the money and spent it on transportation projects elsewhere in the state...
Never mind that it's not the keeping and spending of the money that's an issue; it's what she said she did with it.
Comment by Shane-O on 09/11/2008 18:50:38
"Republican Pork - 'The Other White Lie.'"
Shane-O on 09/11/2008 18:50:38
Quote by Raine:So when is pork not pork? When it is smoked ham?Quote by TriSec:
And now I've got some Right-wing spin on the Bridge to Nowhere....
It was OK for Gov. Palin to keep the money. The bridge to nowhere was a rider on a transportation bill; she took the money and spent it on transportation projects elsewhere in the state...
Never mind that it's not the keeping and spending of the money that's an issue; it's what she said she did with it.
"Republican Pork - 'The Other White Lie.'"
Comment by Raine on 09/11/2008 18:51:04
Becuase we love the sin and hate the sinner I suppose?
These points are all illogical Tri.
Especially that Bridge to nowhere BS. That was a bunch of justifications for them to make it ok for what she did which was ethically CHALLENGED at best. I tire of the splitting of hairs that these people do.
Raine on 09/11/2008 18:51:04
Quote by TriSec:
OK, I was actually enjoying this little program, until they went into "WTF-Land".
"Men are democrats because democrats support abortion and they won't have to pay child support..."
These points are all illogical Tri.
Especially that Bridge to nowhere BS. That was a bunch of justifications for them to make it ok for what she did which was ethically CHALLENGED at best. I tire of the splitting of hairs that these people do.
Comment by Raine on 09/11/2008 18:56:07
Becuase we love the sin and hate the sinner I suppose?
These points are all illogical Tri.
Especially that Bridge to nowhere BS. That was a bunch of justifications for them to make it ok for what she did which was ethically CHALLENGED at best. I tire of the splitting of hairs that these people do.
Raine on 09/11/2008 18:56:07
Quote by TriSec:
OK, I was actually enjoying this little program, until they went into "WTF-Land".
"Men are democrats because democrats support abortion and they won't have to pay child support..."
These points are all illogical Tri.
Especially that Bridge to nowhere BS. That was a bunch of justifications for them to make it ok for what she did which was ethically CHALLENGED at best. I tire of the splitting of hairs that these people do.
Comment by Raine on 09/11/2008 18:59:20
Raine on 09/11/2008 18:59:20
Ok, I came back from lunch to hear that McCain is sending out fraudulent Absentee ballots to Obama supporters in Ohio?
WTF?!?!? HE should be jailed for election fraud if this is true.
WTF?!?!? HE should be jailed for election fraud if this is true.
Comment by livingonli on 09/11/2008 19:02:02
livingonli on 09/11/2008 19:02:02
Time to head off to the salt mine. Back to the routine.
Over the next three nights I have two Liberty games and a Red Bulls game which means that I won't have much if any time to blog at work. So if you don't hear from me again, I will see you tomorrow.
Over the next three nights I have two Liberty games and a Red Bulls game which means that I won't have much if any time to blog at work. So if you don't hear from me again, I will see you tomorrow.
Comment by Raine on 09/11/2008 19:02:32
:clap: AWESOME!
Raine on 09/11/2008 19:02:32
Quote by Shane-O:Quote by Raine:So when is pork not pork? When it is smoked ham?Quote by TriSec:
And now I've got some Right-wing spin on the Bridge to Nowhere....
It was OK for Gov. Palin to keep the money. The bridge to nowhere was a rider on a transportation bill; she took the money and spent it on transportation projects elsewhere in the state...
Never mind that it's not the keeping and spending of the money that's an issue; it's what she said she did with it.
"Republican Pork - 'The Other White Lie.'"
Comment by Raine on 09/11/2008 19:03:05
CUL8TR Liv!
Raine on 09/11/2008 19:03:05
Quote by livingonli:
Time to head off to the salt mine. Back to the routine.
Over the next three nights I have two Liberty games and a Red Bulls game which means that I won't have much if any time to blog at work. So if you don't hear from me again, I will see you tomorrow.
CUL8TR Liv!
Comment by TriSec on 09/11/2008 19:11:46
TriSec on 09/11/2008 19:11:46
Well, I may have to email my friend back "thanks, but no thanks".
I pick up many podcasts, including an old-time radio show with some vintage "Superman" broadcasts.
Anyway, I've traded emails with the author, and he invited me along to his "political podcast". I'll give him this much, it's actually fairly low-key and respectful; he strikes me as the kind of conservative I can actually have a conversation with.
But some of the talking points (by his guests, actually....) have really been off the wall today.
I pick up many podcasts, including an old-time radio show with some vintage "Superman" broadcasts.
Anyway, I've traded emails with the author, and he invited me along to his "political podcast". I'll give him this much, it's actually fairly low-key and respectful; he strikes me as the kind of conservative I can actually have a conversation with.
But some of the talking points (by his guests, actually....) have really been off the wall today.
Comment by Mondobubba on 09/11/2008 19:12:12
I was trying to think of what to say about this, but Raine said perfectly. The hypocrasy comes in when set your child up for failure by using blind dogmatic practices that are basically binary in nature. 1=Yes 0=No.
Mondobubba on 09/11/2008 19:12:12
Quote by Raine:The wingers don't get to corner that one Tri. Dems have ALWAYS loved the alleged Sinner and hated the sin. You think we LOVE aseeing people on welfare? Do we love watching people who are in rehab?Quote by TriSec:
"Love the Sinner, Hate the Sin"
Were we all too quick to judge Bristol Palin? (yes, I'm listening to right-wing radio right now.) The discussion is about how liberals don't understand what the religious right means when they say "family values". They went on to mention young Ms. Palin, and that the right reacting the way they did (embracing and accepting it) IS actually in line with some of those "Christian values". They may hate what she did, but they don't hate her.
To us, that looks hypocritical, but maybe it isn't?
No... We just don't try to legislate the sin away like they do. I never hated Bristol Palin. I actually felt bad for her becuase the reality is that she did not have a choice. They forced the "sin" upon her.
So don't tell me you love someone who you force into an act you say you hate.
I was trying to think of what to say about this, but Raine said perfectly. The hypocrasy comes in when set your child up for failure by using blind dogmatic practices that are basically binary in nature. 1=Yes 0=No.
Comment by Shane-O on 09/11/2008 19:15:51
THAT is infuriating.
The problem is - and correct me if I am wrong - the committee that hears election fraud complaints at the FEC is not full - they don't have enough members to get a quorum. (Thanks to Bush).
Therefore, none of these issues (like McCain's allegedly fraudulent bank loan application - and many other complaints) will even get a hearing, much less a final adjudication until AFTER the election. And in most cases, the punishment is a fine.
If they do enough to steal the election, McCain will be president, and his removal is not a remedy available to the FEC. So, they just pay the fines (maybe a few scapegoats get a couple years in a min. security prison.)
Shane-O on 09/11/2008 19:15:51
Quote by Raine:
Ok, I came back from lunch to hear that McCain is sending out fraudulent Absentee ballots to Obama supporters in Ohio?
WTF?!?!? HE should be jailed for election fraud if this is true.
THAT is infuriating.
The problem is - and correct me if I am wrong - the committee that hears election fraud complaints at the FEC is not full - they don't have enough members to get a quorum. (Thanks to Bush).
Therefore, none of these issues (like McCain's allegedly fraudulent bank loan application - and many other complaints) will even get a hearing, much less a final adjudication until AFTER the election. And in most cases, the punishment is a fine.
If they do enough to steal the election, McCain will be president, and his removal is not a remedy available to the FEC. So, they just pay the fines (maybe a few scapegoats get a couple years in a min. security prison.)
Comment by Raine on 09/11/2008 19:18:15
Raine on 09/11/2008 19:18:15
Comment by Raine on 09/11/2008 19:19:27
Raine on 09/11/2008 19:19:27
Wow... Randi just made a hefty wager... I didn't QUITE get the number but she just bet 13, 400 (something like that) dollars that the October Surprise is the capture of Osama Bin Laden.
Comment by Raine on 09/11/2008 19:22:42
The FEC let McCain off on his bank loan during the primaries already.
That reminded me... MCCain has almost spent all his public financing funds I believe. I have to go do some research on that... becuase if he did, he can't spend any more money. That number was 85 Million. That was what he got from the FEC for the general election.
Raine on 09/11/2008 19:22:42
Quote by Shane-O:Quote by Raine:
Ok, I came back from lunch to hear that McCain is sending out fraudulent Absentee ballots to Obama supporters in Ohio?
WTF?!?!? HE should be jailed for election fraud if this is true.
THAT is infuriating.
The problem is - and correct me if I am wrong - the committee that hears election fraud complaints at the FEC is not full - they don't have enough members to get a quorum. (Thanks to Bush).
Therefore, none of these issues (like McCain's allegedly fraudulent bank loan application - and many other complaints) will even get a hearing, much less a final adjudication until AFTER the election. And in most cases, the punishment is a fine.
If they do enough to steal the election, McCain will be president, and his removal is not a remedy available to the FEC. So, they just pay the fines (maybe a few scapegoats get a couple years in a min. security prison.)
The FEC let McCain off on his bank loan during the primaries already.
That reminded me... MCCain has almost spent all his public financing funds I believe. I have to go do some research on that... becuase if he did, he can't spend any more money. That number was 85 Million. That was what he got from the FEC for the general election.
Comment by Raine on 09/11/2008 19:33:02
Raine on 09/11/2008 19:33:02
Melamine found in Infant Formula -- made in China.
Please until we know more, tell your friends and family with infants to remove ANY forula made from China from the cabinets. This is the same poison found in pet food last year. They tried to say it wasn't a big deal at first then too, remember? I will not allow people to be fooled again.
Please until we know more, tell your friends and family with infants to remove ANY forula made from China from the cabinets. This is the same poison found in pet food last year. They tried to say it wasn't a big deal at first then too, remember? I will not allow people to be fooled again.
Comment by Raine on 09/11/2008 19:48:52
Raine on 09/11/2008 19:48:52
Does sarah Palin even have a degree in anything?
Comment by TriSec on 09/11/2008 19:49:31
TriSec on 09/11/2008 19:49:31
My right-wing podcast is reporting that Mitt Romney has just bought a house in California. (Belmont, France, NH, Utah....he sure gets around!)
Anyway, they were speculating that he's setting himself up for a run at Governor once Arnold hangs them up...
(And Kudos to my Right Wing friend for this one..."What's his campaign slogan? You've had a governor that played a robot; now you can vote for an actual robot!"
Anyway, they were speculating that he's setting himself up for a run at Governor once Arnold hangs them up...
(And Kudos to my Right Wing friend for this one..."What's his campaign slogan? You've had a governor that played a robot; now you can vote for an actual robot!"
Comment by Shane-O on 09/11/2008 20:01:14
Shane-O on 09/11/2008 20:01:14
And for more GOP voting suppression tactics:
Lose Your House, Lose Your Vote.
So they cause the economic crisis, then use it to stay in power through fraud.
Also - I hear that the Deptartment of "Justice" will not be prosecuting in the Dept. Of Interior/Oil Company sex/bribery scandal. Shocking!
Lose Your House, Lose Your Vote.
So they cause the economic crisis, then use it to stay in power through fraud.
Also - I hear that the Deptartment of "Justice" will not be prosecuting in the Dept. Of Interior/Oil Company sex/bribery scandal. Shocking!
Comment by starling310 on 09/11/2008 20:12:57
I sure as hell wouldn't take that wager. She's probably absolutelyright correct!
starling310 on 09/11/2008 20:12:57
Quote by Raine:
Wow... Randi just made a hefty wager... I didn't QUITE get the number but she just bet 13, 400 (something like that) dollars that the October Surprise is the capture of Osama Bin Laden.
I sure as hell wouldn't take that wager. She's probably absolutely
Comment by Shane-O on 09/11/2008 20:13:58
It appears that this is not fraud, but is a McCain fuck-up - and it is hurting HIM.
See here.
And the county mentioned in the prior link (Hamilton) - is very, very conservative. Not likely Obama supporters.
Shane-O on 09/11/2008 20:13:58
Quote by Raine:
Ok, I came back from lunch to hear that McCain is sending out fraudulent Absentee ballots to Obama supporters in Ohio?
WTF?!?!? HE should be jailed for election fraud if this is true.
It appears that this is not fraud, but is a McCain fuck-up - and it is hurting HIM.
See here.
And the county mentioned in the prior link (Hamilton) - is very, very conservative. Not likely Obama supporters.
Comment by Raine on 09/11/2008 20:20:58
Raine on 09/11/2008 20:20:58
Non sequitor. The Pecan trees are shedding themselves of all the nuttiness. We have nuts falling all over the place... I went outside heard a few bounce off the truck, and one off my shouldler... I do not like Pecan trees!! Pe!!!!!!!
I do not like Pecan trees!! Pe!!!!!!!
Comment by Mondobubba on 09/11/2008 20:21:19
If I recall, it is journalism of all things.
Mondobubba on 09/11/2008 20:21:19
Quote by Raine:
Does sarah Palin even have a degree in anything?
If I recall, it is journalism of all things.
Comment by Raine on 09/11/2008 20:25:10
Interesting... I am left wondering then, why so many people were calling Rayburn today saying they had gotten these ballots.
But you know what? it SHOULD hurt him. This is abysmal.
I stumbled upon THIS article from Jon Alter. Jim Crawford Republicans.
Yup, they are back to their olg games again. Disenfranchising Minority voters.
Raine on 09/11/2008 20:25:10
Quote by Shane-O:Quote by Raine:
Ok, I came back from lunch to hear that McCain is sending out fraudulent Absentee ballots to Obama supporters in Ohio?
WTF?!?!? HE should be jailed for election fraud if this is true.
It appears that this is not fraud, but is a McCain fuck-up - and it is hurting HIM.
See here.
And the county mentioned in the prior link (Hamilton) - is very, very conservative. Not likely Obama supporters.
Interesting... I am left wondering then, why so many people were calling Rayburn today saying they had gotten these ballots.
But you know what? it SHOULD hurt him. This is abysmal.
I stumbled upon THIS article from Jon Alter. Jim Crawford Republicans.
Yup, they are back to their olg games again. Disenfranchising Minority voters.
Comment by Raine on 09/11/2008 20:26:14
:thud:
Did she take a correspondance course? Are you shitting me???
Raine on 09/11/2008 20:26:14
Quote by Mondobubba:Quote by Raine:
Does sarah Palin even have a degree in anything?
If I recall, it is journalism of all things.
Did she take a correspondance course? Are you shitting me???
Comment by TriSec on 09/11/2008 20:35:56
TriSec on 09/11/2008 20:35:56
Quote by Raine:
Pe!!!!!!!
Comment by Shane-O on 09/11/2008 20:41:13
Almost - five colleges in six years.
Reminds me of the line from Tommy Boy: "Lots of people take six years to graduate. --- Yeah. They're called 'doctors.'"
Finally, U. of Idaho (insert "ho" joke here) is where she finally got her journalism degree.
Shane-O on 09/11/2008 20:41:13
Quote by Raine::thud:Quote by Mondobubba:Quote by Raine:
Does sarah Palin even have a degree in anything?
If I recall, it is journalism of all things.
Did she take a correspondance course? Are you shitting me???
Almost - five colleges in six years.
Reminds me of the line from Tommy Boy: "Lots of people take six years to graduate. --- Yeah. They're called 'doctors.'"
Finally, U. of Idaho (insert "ho" joke here) is where she finally got her journalism degree.
Comment by MNRN on 09/11/2008 23:07:00
MNRN on 09/11/2008 23:07:00
oh my and have you seen the interview morsels with Gibson?
Xtra crunchy bucket of cripsy crazy kids!
Xtra crunchy bucket of cripsy crazy kids!
Comment by Mondobubba on 09/11/2008 23:08:09
But, do you like pecans?
Mondobubba on 09/11/2008 23:08:09
Quote by Raine:
Non sequitor. The Pecan trees are shedding themselves of all the nuttiness. We have nuts falling all over the place... I went outside heard a few bounce off the truck, and one off my shouldler...
But, do you like pecans?
Comment by MNRN on 09/11/2008 23:11:01
MNRN on 09/11/2008 23:11:01
I do, I do!
Comment by Mondobubba on 09/11/2008 23:23:59
They is nummy!
Mondobubba on 09/11/2008 23:23:59
Quote by MNRN:
I do, I do!
They is nummy!
Comment by MNRN on 09/11/2008 23:43:20
MNRN on 09/11/2008 23:43:20
indeedy. tho I have been told never to order pecan waffles at the Waffle House, that they might be, ya know....
bugs.
eep.
bugs.
eep.
Comment by Mondobubba on 09/12/2008 00:04:07
:shudder: I will keep that in mind. I just get the regular waffle.
Mondobubba on 09/12/2008 00:04:07
Quote by MNRN:
indeedy. tho I have been told never to order pecan waffles at the Waffle House, that they might be, ya know....
bugs.
eep.
:shudder: I will keep that in mind. I just get the regular waffle.
Comment by BobR on 09/12/2008 00:26:15
I do.
But these aren't your grandparent's pecans. These are papershell pecan trees that have "gone wild". The nuts are pretty much inedible, except to the squirrels who are cracking out on them.
BobR on 09/12/2008 00:26:15
Quote by Mondobubba:
But, do you like pecans?
I do.
But these aren't your grandparent's pecans. These are papershell pecan trees that have "gone wild". The nuts are pretty much inedible, except to the squirrels who are cracking out on them.
Comment by BobR on 09/12/2008 00:27:02
I'll have a pecan waffle, hold the antennae...
:puke:
BobR on 09/12/2008 00:27:02
Quote by MNRN:
indeedy. tho I have been told never to order pecan waffles at the Waffle House, that they might be, ya know....
bugs.
eep.
I'll have a pecan waffle, hold the antennae...
:puke:
Comment by Mondobubba on 09/12/2008 00:35:44
Woooohooooo! Pecans gone wild! Hot pecan on pecan action! Sweet!
Mondobubba on 09/12/2008 00:35:44
Quote by BobR:Quote by Mondobubba:
But, do you like pecans?
I do.
But these aren't your grandparent's pecans. These are papershell pecan trees that have "gone wild". The nuts are pretty much inedible, except to the squirrels who are cracking out on them.
Woooohooooo! Pecans gone wild! Hot pecan on pecan action! Sweet!
Comment by MNRN on 09/12/2008 00:41:12
MNRN on 09/12/2008 00:41:12
:rofl: well we have just driven directly into gutter now haven't we....
yay!!!!
yay!!!!
Comment by velveeta jones on 09/12/2008 00:53:12
velveeta jones on 09/12/2008 00:53:12
Just back from work and saw clips of the Sarah Palin/Gibson interview.
My goodness! That woman sure could fill the pages of a blue book for a test, I'd wager.
"Let me answer your question by reformatting the question in my 'reply'"
:rofl:
My goodness! That woman sure could fill the pages of a blue book for a test, I'd wager.
"Let me answer your question by reformatting the question in my 'reply'"
:rofl:
Comment by Mondobubba on 09/12/2008 00:56:57
Me gutter? Hell ya! :metal:
Mondobubba on 09/12/2008 00:56:57
Quote by MNRN:
:rofl: well we have just driven directly into gutter now haven't we....
yay!!!!
Me gutter? Hell ya! :metal:
Comment by TriSec on 09/12/2008 01:14:22
TriSec on 09/12/2008 01:14:22
I was going to comment, but if we've got hot nut action happening here, I think I'll move on.
Comment by Mondobubba on 09/12/2008 01:29:27
Mondobubba on 09/12/2008 01:29:27
Comment by velveeta jones on 09/12/2008 01:57:03
my current fav..........
Thanks Shane-O.
velveeta jones on 09/12/2008 01:57:03
my current fav..........
Thanks Shane-O.
Comment by Raine on 09/12/2008 02:22:57
Speaking of gutters, you should see the squirrels.
they are laying all over the place just od'ing on these things. They scare me in the morning to tell the truth... they just look angry and wanting a fix....
Pe... !!!!!!!!!!
:rofl:
Raine on 09/12/2008 02:22:57
Quote by Mondobubba:Quote by MNRN:
:rofl: well we have just driven directly into gutter now haven't we....
yay!!!!
Me gutter? Hell ya! :metal:
they are laying all over the place just od'ing on these things. They scare me in the morning to tell the truth... they just look angry and wanting a fix....
Pe... !!!!!!!!!!
:rofl:
Comment by Raine on 09/12/2008 02:24:37
can anyone tell me the source for that?
It sits in my memory bank from someplace... but I cannot recall where... SNL perhaps?
Raine on 09/12/2008 02:24:37
Quote by velveeta jones:
my current fav..........
Thanks Shane-O.
It sits in my memory bank from someplace... but I cannot recall where... SNL perhaps?
Comment by Raine on 09/12/2008 02:38:03
Raine on 09/12/2008 02:38:03
So inreading around the blogs... it seems as tho Sarah agreed with Barack about Pakistan... I got this from AmericaBlog:
First, here is what Obama said earlier this year:
“Let me make this clear. There are terrorists holed up in those mountains, that murdered 3,000 Americans,” he said, continuing with resolve: “If we have actionable intelligence about high-valued terrorist targets and President Musharraf will not act, we will.”
Here is what McCain had to say about Obama:
Obama at the time was talking about attacking known al-Qaeda terrorist targets, not suggesting mounting an attack on the country or government of Pakistan. Still, he caught flak shortly thereafter from some on both sides of the aisle for discussing the merits of attacking a sovereign ally.
And McCain saw no distinction, while speaking with reporters, today. “That’s still bombing Pakistan,” he said when pressed on the topic. McCain then sidestepped, discussing the merits of diplomacy. “The first thing you do is you don’t tell people what you’re going to do; you make plans, and you work with the other country that is your ally and friend, which Pakistan is.”
Here is what Palin said, in the video below:
"If there is legitimate and enough intelligence that tells us that a strike is imminent against American people, we have every right to defend our country. In fact, the president has the obligation, the duty to defend."
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That is a REAL problem for McCain. A real problem. HE now has the choice to be like *ush or Barack.
First, here is what Obama said earlier this year:
“Let me make this clear. There are terrorists holed up in those mountains, that murdered 3,000 Americans,” he said, continuing with resolve: “If we have actionable intelligence about high-valued terrorist targets and President Musharraf will not act, we will.”
Here is what McCain had to say about Obama:
Obama at the time was talking about attacking known al-Qaeda terrorist targets, not suggesting mounting an attack on the country or government of Pakistan. Still, he caught flak shortly thereafter from some on both sides of the aisle for discussing the merits of attacking a sovereign ally.
And McCain saw no distinction, while speaking with reporters, today. “That’s still bombing Pakistan,” he said when pressed on the topic. McCain then sidestepped, discussing the merits of diplomacy. “The first thing you do is you don’t tell people what you’re going to do; you make plans, and you work with the other country that is your ally and friend, which Pakistan is.”
Here is what Palin said, in the video below:
"If there is legitimate and enough intelligence that tells us that a strike is imminent against American people, we have every right to defend our country. In fact, the president has the obligation, the duty to defend."
==================================================
That is a REAL problem for McCain. A real problem. HE now has the choice to be like *ush or Barack.
Comment by Raine on 09/12/2008 02:42:17
Seems like class to me.
WTf. how much of a problem is it for someone to move a bit?
Raine on 09/12/2008 02:42:17
Quote by BobR:
Roger Ebert throws down!
WTf. how much of a problem is it for someone to move a bit?
Comment by BobR on 09/12/2008 02:52:22
BobR on 09/12/2008 02:52:22