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Insane. Certifiable.
Author: Raine    Date: 12/10/2007 13:15:59

On the Four Freedom's Message Board there is a discussion about the destroyed CIA tapes.
Central Intelligence Agency Director Michael Hayden told employees in a letter that the videotapes were made in 2002 as part of a secret detention and interrogation program that began with the arrest of suspected al Qaeda lieutenant Abu Zubaydah.
The Security Risk, according to Hayden was that it would inflame Al-Qaeda. It could reveal the identity of CIA operatives. It was a very interesting coincidence that these tapes were destroyed the same time we learned about Abu Garib. By this time we already knew the identity of Valerie Plame --- who was indeed a CIA operative. She actually worked for the CIA where as those that did commit torture we still are not sure of. Some people went to jail, and others escaped prosecution --- Why? they were "private contractors" WE are still waiting on the release of the rest of those photograph's from the pentagon. I hope they have not been destroyed as well.

It is important to remember that Zubaydah, we were told by this administration, was the mastermind behind the bombing of the USS Cole in 2002. This is what we were told. In all the brewhaha we have NOT been told of any information that may have been gleened from this man. Why? Because we just don't know if any of it is true.

From yesterday's From WaPo Book Review on Ron Suskind's new book:
One example out of many comes in Ron Suskind's gripping narrative of what the White House has celebrated as one of the war's major victories: the capture of Abu Zubaydah in Pakistan in March 2002. Described as al-Qaeda's chief of operations even after U.S. and Pakistani forces kicked down his door in Faisalabad, the Saudi-born jihadist was the first al-Qaeda detainee to be shipped to a secret prison abroad. Suskind shatters the official story line here.

Abu Zubaydah, his captors discovered, turned out to be mentally ill and nothing like the pivotal figure they supposed him to be. CIA and FBI analysts, poring over a diary he kept for more than a decade, found entries "in the voice of three people: Hani 1, Hani 2, and Hani 3" -- a boy, a young man and a middle-aged alter ego. All three recorded in numbing detail "what people ate, or wore, or trifling things they said." Dan Coleman, then the FBI's top al-Qaeda analyst, told a senior bureau official, "This guy is insane, certifiable, split personality."

Abu Zubaydah also appeared to know nothing about terrorist operations; rather, he was al-Qaeda's go-to guy for minor logistics -- travel for wives and children and the like. That judgment was "echoed at the top of CIA and was, of course, briefed to the President and Vice President," Suskind writes. And yet somehow, in a speech delivered two weeks later, President Bush portrayed Abu Zubaydah as "one of the top operatives plotting and planning death and destruction on the United States." And over the months to come, under White House and Justice Department direction, the CIA would make him its first test subject for harsh interrogation techniques.

A test subject. They used this man as a test subject for a technique that has been illegal in the United states for decades. The Justice department knew, the White House knew, and much of the world knew of these tapes. When Congress was debating the 'Detainee Treatment act" in 2005, they asked for these tapes. The 911™ commission asked for them, those requests were denied. Zubaydah attornies requested them. The CIA denied that they existed. So the very important question is this: What more do they know? Even more important how much more will we end up knowing? And where is Zubaydah? Is he still in Pakistan? Is he alive? Who ok'd the destruction of these tapes?

It's Monday. Let's get in there and have a nice cup of caffeinated liquidity, and start this week off right, or left if you are sitting backwards.

:peace: and :heart:
Raine
 

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Comment by TriSec on 12/10/2007 14:02:55
Grunt.



No StephStream this morning....Timing out.

Comment by Raine on 12/10/2007 14:09:26
Quote by TriSec: Grunt.



No StephStream this morning....Timing out.


Even the Nova stream? it is working fine over here!

Comment by livingonli on 12/10/2007 14:11:21
Good morning all.



Stephstream is working fine for me.

Comment by livingonli on 12/10/2007 14:12:13
Raine or BobR, did you send that?



Never mind. It was Tim. It sounded like something you guys could have sent.

Comment by TriSec on 12/10/2007 14:12:50
Heyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy!



Isn't that one of OUR audicons????



(I don't care where you got it on the 'net, it's ours now, dammit!)



Comment by starling310 on 12/10/2007 14:12:52
Good Morning.

Quake stream is alright.

Comment by BobR on 12/10/2007 14:13:09
Quote by livingonli: Raine or BobR, did you send that?



Never mind. It was Tim. It sounded like something you guys could have sent.


He STOLE it from us...

Comment by BobR on 12/10/2007 14:13:51
Oh - and:



Morning folks... :coffee:

Comment by Raine on 12/10/2007 14:14:30
Listener Tim I do believe may have snarfed that sound bite from us... :bad: so not cool.

Comment by starling310 on 12/10/2007 14:14:50
Word of the Day



imprecate \IM-prih-kayt\ verb

: to invoke evil on : curse



Feel free to toss that into conversation today. It seemed fitting for da' blog.

Comment by TriSec on 12/10/2007 14:15:31
:thud:





Comment by livingonli on 12/10/2007 14:15:49
Quote by BobR:
Quote by livingonli: Raine or BobR, did you send that?



Never mind. It was Tim. It sounded like something you guys could have sent.


He STOLE it from us...




Looks like the blog needs a burglar alarm.



Comment by TriSec on 12/10/2007 14:17:06
Comment by Raine on 12/10/2007 14:17:15
HEya TIM! You got away with it this time...

Comment by BobR on 12/10/2007 14:17:27
Quote by livingonli:



Looks like the blog needs a burglar alarm.





Comment by TriSec on 12/10/2007 14:17:54




Sorry. Forgot to arm it last night.

Comment by starling310 on 12/10/2007 14:18:38
They all really sound like little kids playing "Good Guys and Bad Guys."

You don't want the Bad Guys to get 'em.

Comment by Raine on 12/10/2007 14:21:48
Press the magic brick??? bwa chicka mwa mwa...

Comment by Raine on 12/10/2007 14:22:35
Quote by starling310: Word of the Day imprecate \IM-prih-kayt\ verb : to invoke evil on : curse Feel free to toss that into conversation today. It seemed fitting for da' blog.
Tim got that! Good morning btw!!!

Comment by starling310 on 12/10/2007 14:25:18
Oh Chris. That bump is torture.





Comment by TriSec on 12/10/2007 14:25:24
Oh, that reminds me.



Every year for one of my resolutions, I pick an obscure word and try to find ways to work it into everyday conversation.



2007's word was "expunge", which seems to have been a bust. Any ideas for next year?





Comment by starling310 on 12/10/2007 14:27:05
When can Bill-O be sued for slander? Just wondering.



Comment by TriSec on 12/10/2007 14:27:24
He just pronounced that "Terror-ran", didn't he?



Subtle, Bill....





Comment by livingonli on 12/10/2007 14:28:27
Quote by starling310: They all really sound like little kids playing "Good Guys and Bad Guys."

You don't want the Bad Guys to get 'em.


Well, we know that conservatives are all me, me, me. So, maybe they are like little kids who never grew up. And the neo-cons act like the schoolyard bully when threatening to bomb countries.

Comment by starling310 on 12/10/2007 14:30:28
Quote by TriSec: He just pronounced that "Terror-ran", didn't he?



Subtle, Bill....







He did indeed, Tri. I caught that too.



Comment by Raine on 12/10/2007 14:30:37
GORDON Brown yesterday delivered a stirring festive message to Our Boys in Iraq: “Happy Christmas – war is over.”



The PM was cheered as he praised UK troops and revealed combat operations in Basra will end “within two weeks”.



Iraqi forces will take over as the 4,500-strong British force switches from front-line duties to a training role.



By early next year, our contingent in Southern Iraq will be cut to 2,500 – and may be withdrawn completely in March.




More at the link from the Sun UK...

Comment by livingonli on 12/10/2007 14:36:14
War is over if you want it

Comment by starling310 on 12/10/2007 14:38:25
: justin timberlake : "We're bringin' Santa back . . . "

Comment by Raine on 12/10/2007 14:39:21
:rolleyes: Neil boortz... you are an embarrassment.

Comment by livingonli on 12/10/2007 14:39:37
Is Neal Boortz trying to be a William Buckley wanna be?

Comment by Raine on 12/10/2007 14:42:14
ok, During Chris funfacts speech, that sound drop was the same that we have!!! What is going on here?

Comment by livingonli on 12/10/2007 14:44:19
Me likee the PIL bumper.

Comment by TriSec on 12/10/2007 14:49:52
Erm, that congressman helped "puppies"?



No coincidence there, IMHO.



Comment by starling310 on 12/10/2007 14:50:15


speaking of Orange County, I am kind of addicted to "The Real Housewives of Orange County."

It's a total train wreck that I can't help but to watch.



Comment by Raine on 12/10/2007 14:50:15
Quote by starling310: : justin timberlake : "We're bringin' Santa back . . . "
http://bipolarhope.org/images/christmastree.gif


Comment by Raine on 12/10/2007 14:51:28
Huckabee, is in a heap of trouble. Aids and rapists... wow what a great Christian leader...

Comment by Raine on 12/10/2007 14:53:01
and Aids isn't a crisis now? Huh Huckster?

Comment by starling310 on 12/10/2007 14:53:04
We didn't know it would affect : drama sting : STRAIGHT people at the time!



Comment by BobR on 12/10/2007 14:53:12
Quote by TriSec: Oh, that reminds me.



Every year for one of my resolutions, I pick an obscure word and try to find ways to work it into everyday conversation.



2007's word was "expunge", which seems to have been a bust. Any ideas for next year?





How about:

platitudinarian (plat-i-tood-n-AR-ee-uhn, -tyood-) noun



One who utters platitudes or trite remarks.



(EDIT: Perfect for the upcoming campaign season...)

Comment by livingonli on 12/10/2007 14:53:32
Quote by Raine: Huckabee, is in a heap of trouble.



Aids and rapists... wow what a great Christian leader...


Another sterling example of the moral bankruptcy and facism of the right-wing.

Comment by Raine on 12/10/2007 14:54:22
HE also thought that being gay was a greatest medical crisis in our country. YEs, being Gay, a health crisi.

Comment by starling310 on 12/10/2007 14:55:40
Ryan White had already passed away in 1990. . . we were ALL well aware by then that AIDS wasn't just a GAY problem.



F*CKIN' FRANK!

Comment by livingonli on 12/10/2007 14:56:20
If any of these Republicans become President (except for Ron Paul or Fred Thompson) I would seriously re-thing moving to Canada.

Comment by TriSec on 12/10/2007 14:59:05
Um, Mitt? Why do we need to keep God in the public square? Isn't your own church good enough for him? And by default, my church too?



Jeez.



Not one candidate has EVER satisfactorily answered why the Bible must be the law of the land.





Comment by starling310 on 12/10/2007 14:59:32
My Condo Association is gonna get a thumpin'. This is the 3rd time men have just shown up on my porch to do work. Jesus! A little warning would be nice.

Comment by livingonli on 12/10/2007 15:00:02
BTW, how does Momma feel about Randi snarfing her material?

Comment by starling310 on 12/10/2007 15:01:19
Quote by TriSec: Um, Mitt? Why do we need to keep God in the public square? Isn't your own church good enough for him? And by default, my church too?



Jeez.



Not one candidate has EVER satisfactorily answered why the Bible must be the law of the land.







Yup. The Jesus I learned about growing up preferred people to be humble in their worship.





Comment by Raine on 12/10/2007 15:02:20
Quote by starling310: We didn't know it would affect : drama sting : STRAIGHT people at the time!
And isn't that the damn truth? He is justifying it all as tho it was JUST a gay thing! it makes me so mad when people are so ignorant that they cannot see thier own bigotry. Basically he is saying proudly ... He is a bigot! :rage:

Comment by Raine on 12/10/2007 15:04:19
Funny thing, if you believe in Goddess EArth... well that public square??? the spirit is always there. with or without people putting her there.