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Insane. Certifiable.
Author: Raine
Date: 12/10/2007 13:15:59
On the Four Freedom's Message Board there is a discussion about the destroyed CIA tapes.
The Security Risk, according to Hayden was that it would inflame Al-Qaeda. It could reveal the identity of CIA operatives. It was a very interesting coincidence that these tapes were destroyed the same time we learned about Abu Garib. By this time we already knew the identity of Valerie Plame --- who was indeed a CIA operative. She actually worked for the CIA where as those that did commit torture we still are not sure of. Some people went to jail, and others escaped prosecution --- Why? they were "private contractors" WE are still waiting on the release of the rest of those photograph's from the pentagon. I hope they have not been destroyed as well.
It is important to remember that Zubaydah, we were told by this administration, was the mastermind behind the bombing of the USS Cole in 2002. This is what we were told. In all the brewhaha we have NOT been told of any information that may have been gleened from this man. Why? Because we just don't know if any of it is true.
From yesterday's From WaPo Book Review on Ron Suskind's new book:
A test subject. They used this man as a test subject for a technique that has been illegal in the United states for decades. The Justice department knew, the White House knew, and much of the world knew of these tapes. When Congress was debating the 'Detainee Treatment act" in 2005, they asked for these tapes. The 911™ commission asked for them, those requests were denied. Zubaydah attornies requested them. The CIA denied that they existed. So the very important question is this: What more do they know? Even more important how much more will we end up knowing? And where is Zubaydah? Is he still in Pakistan? Is he alive? Who ok'd the destruction of these tapes?
It's Monday. Let's get in there and have a nice cup of caffeinated liquidity, and start this week off right, or left if you are sitting backwards.
:peace: and :heart:
Raine
Central Intelligence Agency Director Michael Hayden told employees in a letter that the videotapes were made in 2002 as part of a secret detention and interrogation program that began with the arrest of suspected al Qaeda lieutenant Abu Zubaydah.
It is important to remember that Zubaydah, we were told by this administration, was the mastermind behind the bombing of the USS Cole in 2002. This is what we were told. In all the brewhaha we have NOT been told of any information that may have been gleened from this man. Why? Because we just don't know if any of it is true.
From yesterday's From WaPo Book Review on Ron Suskind's new book:
One example out of many comes in Ron Suskind's gripping narrative of what the White House has celebrated as one of the war's major victories: the capture of Abu Zubaydah in Pakistan in March 2002. Described as al-Qaeda's chief of operations even after U.S. and Pakistani forces kicked down his door in Faisalabad, the Saudi-born jihadist was the first al-Qaeda detainee to be shipped to a secret prison abroad. Suskind shatters the official story line here.
Abu Zubaydah, his captors discovered, turned out to be mentally ill and nothing like the pivotal figure they supposed him to be. CIA and FBI analysts, poring over a diary he kept for more than a decade, found entries "in the voice of three people: Hani 1, Hani 2, and Hani 3" -- a boy, a young man and a middle-aged alter ego. All three recorded in numbing detail "what people ate, or wore, or trifling things they said." Dan Coleman, then the FBI's top al-Qaeda analyst, told a senior bureau official, "This guy is insane, certifiable, split personality."
Abu Zubaydah also appeared to know nothing about terrorist operations; rather, he was al-Qaeda's go-to guy for minor logistics -- travel for wives and children and the like. That judgment was "echoed at the top of CIA and was, of course, briefed to the President and Vice President," Suskind writes. And yet somehow, in a speech delivered two weeks later, President Bush portrayed Abu Zubaydah as "one of the top operatives plotting and planning death and destruction on the United States." And over the months to come, under White House and Justice Department direction, the CIA would make him its first test subject for harsh interrogation techniques.
A test subject. They used this man as a test subject for a technique that has been illegal in the United states for decades. The Justice department knew, the White House knew, and much of the world knew of these tapes. When Congress was debating the 'Detainee Treatment act" in 2005, they asked for these tapes. The 911™ commission asked for them, those requests were denied. Zubaydah attornies requested them. The CIA denied that they existed. So the very important question is this: What more do they know? Even more important how much more will we end up knowing? And where is Zubaydah? Is he still in Pakistan? Is he alive? Who ok'd the destruction of these tapes?
It's Monday. Let's get in there and have a nice cup of caffeinated liquidity, and start this week off right, or left if you are sitting backwards.
:peace: and :heart:
Raine
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Comment by 
TriSec on 12/10/2007 14:02:55
TriSec on 12/10/2007 14:02:55
Grunt.
No StephStream this morning....Timing out.
No StephStream this morning....Timing out.
Comment by 
Raine on 12/10/2007 14:08:42
Raine on 12/10/2007 14:08:42
Comment by Raine on 12/10/2007 14:09:26
Even the Nova stream? it is working fine over here!
Raine on 12/10/2007 14:09:26
Quote by TriSec: Grunt.
No StephStream this morning....Timing out.
Even the Nova stream? it is working fine over here!
Comment by 
livingonli on 12/10/2007 14:11:21
livingonli on 12/10/2007 14:11:21
Good morning all.
Stephstream is working fine for me.
Stephstream is working fine for me.
Comment by livingonli on 12/10/2007 14:12:13
livingonli on 12/10/2007 14:12:13
Raine or BobR, did you send that?
Never mind. It was Tim. It sounded like something you guys could have sent.
Never mind. It was Tim. It sounded like something you guys could have sent.
Comment by TriSec on 12/10/2007 14:12:50
TriSec on 12/10/2007 14:12:50
Heyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy!
Isn't that one of OUR audicons????
(I don't care where you got it on the 'net, it's ours now, dammit!)
Isn't that one of OUR audicons????
(I don't care where you got it on the 'net, it's ours now, dammit!)
Comment by 
BobR on 12/10/2007 14:13:09
He STOLE it from us...
BobR on 12/10/2007 14:13:09
Quote by livingonli: Raine or BobR, did you send that?
Never mind. It was Tim. It sounded like something you guys could have sent.
He STOLE it from us...
Comment by BobR on 12/10/2007 14:13:51
BobR on 12/10/2007 14:13:51
Oh - and:
Morning folks... :coffee:
Morning folks... :coffee:
Comment by Raine on 12/10/2007 14:14:30
Raine on 12/10/2007 14:14:30
Listener Tim I do believe may have snarfed that sound bite from us... 
:bad: so not cool.
:bad: so not cool.
Comment by 
starling310 on 12/10/2007 14:14:50
starling310 on 12/10/2007 14:14:50
Word of the Day
imprecate \IM-prih-kayt\ verb
: to invoke evil on : curse
Feel free to toss that into conversation today. It seemed fitting for da' blog.
imprecate \IM-prih-kayt\ verb
: to invoke evil on : curse
Feel free to toss that into conversation today. It seemed fitting for da' blog.
Comment by TriSec on 12/10/2007 14:15:31
:thud:
TriSec on 12/10/2007 14:15:31
:thud:
Comment by livingonli on 12/10/2007 14:15:49
Looks like the blog needs a burglar alarm.
livingonli on 12/10/2007 14:15:49
Quote by BobR:Quote by livingonli: Raine or BobR, did you send that?
Never mind. It was Tim. It sounded like something you guys could have sent.
He STOLE it from us...
Looks like the blog needs a burglar alarm.
Comment by Raine on 12/10/2007 14:17:15
Raine on 12/10/2007 14:17:15
HEya TIM! You got away with it this time... 
Comment by BobR on 12/10/2007 14:17:27
BobR on 12/10/2007 14:17:27
Quote by livingonli:
Looks like the blog needs a burglar alarm.
Comment by TriSec on 12/10/2007 14:17:54
Sorry. Forgot to arm it last night.
TriSec on 12/10/2007 14:17:54
Sorry. Forgot to arm it last night.
Comment by starling310 on 12/10/2007 14:18:38
starling310 on 12/10/2007 14:18:38
They all really sound like little kids playing "Good Guys and Bad Guys."
You don't want the Bad Guys to get 'em.
You don't want the Bad Guys to get 'em.
Comment by Raine on 12/10/2007 14:21:48
Raine on 12/10/2007 14:21:48
Press the magic brick??? bwa chicka mwa mwa...
Comment by Raine on 12/10/2007 14:22:35
Tim got that! Good morning btw!!!
Raine on 12/10/2007 14:22:35
Quote by starling310: Word of the Day imprecate \IM-prih-kayt\ verb : to invoke evil on : curse Feel free to toss that into conversation today. It seemed fitting for da' blog.
Comment by starling310 on 12/10/2007 14:25:18
starling310 on 12/10/2007 14:25:18
Oh Chris. 
That bump is torture.
That bump is torture.
Comment by TriSec on 12/10/2007 14:25:24
TriSec on 12/10/2007 14:25:24
Oh, that reminds me.
Every year for one of my resolutions, I pick an obscure word and try to find ways to work it into everyday conversation.
2007's word was "expunge", which seems to have been a bust. Any ideas for next year?
Every year for one of my resolutions, I pick an obscure word and try to find ways to work it into everyday conversation.
2007's word was "expunge", which seems to have been a bust. Any ideas for next year?
Comment by starling310 on 12/10/2007 14:27:05
starling310 on 12/10/2007 14:27:05
When can Bill-O be sued for slander? Just wondering.
Comment by TriSec on 12/10/2007 14:27:24
TriSec on 12/10/2007 14:27:24
He just pronounced that "Terror-ran", didn't he?
Subtle, Bill....
Subtle, Bill....
Comment by livingonli on 12/10/2007 14:28:27
Well, we know that conservatives are all me, me, me. So, maybe they are like little kids who never grew up. And the neo-cons act like the schoolyard bully when threatening to bomb countries.
livingonli on 12/10/2007 14:28:27
Quote by starling310: They all really sound like little kids playing "Good Guys and Bad Guys."
You don't want the Bad Guys to get 'em.
Well, we know that conservatives are all me, me, me. So, maybe they are like little kids who never grew up. And the neo-cons act like the schoolyard bully when threatening to bomb countries.
Comment by starling310 on 12/10/2007 14:30:28
He did indeed, Tri. I caught that too.
starling310 on 12/10/2007 14:30:28
Quote by TriSec: He just pronounced that "Terror-ran", didn't he?
Subtle, Bill....
He did indeed, Tri. I caught that too.
Comment by Raine on 12/10/2007 14:30:37
More at the link from the Sun UK...
Raine on 12/10/2007 14:30:37
GORDON Brown yesterday delivered a stirring festive message to Our Boys in Iraq: “Happy Christmas – war is over.”
The PM was cheered as he praised UK troops and revealed combat operations in Basra will end “within two weeks”.
Iraqi forces will take over as the 4,500-strong British force switches from front-line duties to a training role.
By early next year, our contingent in Southern Iraq will be cut to 2,500 – and may be withdrawn completely in March.
More at the link from the Sun UK...
Comment by livingonli on 12/10/2007 14:36:14
livingonli on 12/10/2007 14:36:14
War is over if you want it 
Comment by starling310 on 12/10/2007 14:38:25
starling310 on 12/10/2007 14:38:25
: justin timberlake : "We're bringin' Santa back . . . " 
Comment by Raine on 12/10/2007 14:39:21
Raine on 12/10/2007 14:39:21
:rolleyes: Neil boortz... you are an embarrassment.
Comment by livingonli on 12/10/2007 14:39:37
livingonli on 12/10/2007 14:39:37
Is Neal Boortz trying to be a William Buckley wanna be?
Comment by Raine on 12/10/2007 14:42:14
Raine on 12/10/2007 14:42:14
ok, During Chris funfacts speech, that sound drop was the same that we have!!! What is going on here?
funfacts speech, that sound drop was the same that we have!!! What is going on here?
Comment by livingonli on 12/10/2007 14:44:19
livingonli on 12/10/2007 14:44:19
Me likee the PIL bumper.
Comment by TriSec on 12/10/2007 14:49:52
TriSec on 12/10/2007 14:49:52
Erm, that congressman helped "puppies"?
No coincidence there, IMHO.
No coincidence there, IMHO.
Comment by starling310 on 12/10/2007 14:50:15
speaking of Orange County, I am kind of addicted to "The Real Housewives of Orange County."
It's a total train wreck that I can't help but to watch.
starling310 on 12/10/2007 14:50:15
speaking of Orange County, I am kind of addicted to "The Real Housewives of Orange County."
It's a total train wreck that I can't help but to watch.
Comment by Raine on 12/10/2007 14:50:15
Raine on 12/10/2007 14:50:15
Quote by starling310: : justin timberlake : "We're bringin' Santa back . . . "
Comment by Raine on 12/10/2007 14:51:28
Raine on 12/10/2007 14:51:28
Huckabee, is in a heap of trouble.
Aids and rapists... wow what a great Christian leader... 
Comment by Raine on 12/10/2007 14:53:01
Raine on 12/10/2007 14:53:01
and Aids isn't a crisis now? Huh Huckster?
Comment by starling310 on 12/10/2007 14:53:04
starling310 on 12/10/2007 14:53:04
We didn't know it would affect : drama sting : STRAIGHT people at the time!
Comment by BobR on 12/10/2007 14:53:12
How about:
platitudinarian (plat-i-tood-n-AR-ee-uhn, -tyood-) noun
One who utters platitudes or trite remarks.
(EDIT: Perfect for the upcoming campaign season...)
BobR on 12/10/2007 14:53:12
Quote by TriSec: Oh, that reminds me.
Every year for one of my resolutions, I pick an obscure word and try to find ways to work it into everyday conversation.
2007's word was "expunge", which seems to have been a bust. Any ideas for next year?
How about:
platitudinarian (plat-i-tood-n-AR-ee-uhn, -tyood-) noun
One who utters platitudes or trite remarks.
(EDIT: Perfect for the upcoming campaign season...)
Comment by livingonli on 12/10/2007 14:53:32
Another sterling example of the moral bankruptcy and facism of the right-wing.
livingonli on 12/10/2007 14:53:32
Quote by Raine: Huckabee, is in a heap of trouble.
Aids and rapists... wow what a great Christian leader...
Another sterling example of the moral bankruptcy and facism of the right-wing.
Comment by Raine on 12/10/2007 14:54:22
Raine on 12/10/2007 14:54:22
HE also thought that being gay was a greatest medical crisis in our country. YEs, being Gay, a health crisi.
Comment by starling310 on 12/10/2007 14:55:40
starling310 on 12/10/2007 14:55:40
Ryan White had already passed away in 1990. . . we were ALL well aware by then that AIDS wasn't just a GAY problem.
F*CKIN' FRANK!
F*CKIN' FRANK!
Comment by livingonli on 12/10/2007 14:56:20
livingonli on 12/10/2007 14:56:20
If any of these Republicans become President (except for Ron Paul or Fred Thompson) I would seriously re-thing moving to Canada.
Comment by TriSec on 12/10/2007 14:59:05
TriSec on 12/10/2007 14:59:05
Um, Mitt? Why do we need to keep God in the public square? Isn't your own church good enough for him? And by default, my church too?
Jeez.
Not one candidate has EVER satisfactorily answered why the Bible must be the law of the land.
Jeez.
Not one candidate has EVER satisfactorily answered why the Bible must be the law of the land.
Comment by starling310 on 12/10/2007 14:59:32
starling310 on 12/10/2007 14:59:32
My Condo Association is gonna get a thumpin'. This is the 3rd time men have just shown up on my porch to do work. Jesus! A little warning would be nice.
Comment by livingonli on 12/10/2007 15:00:02
livingonli on 12/10/2007 15:00:02
BTW, how does Momma feel about Randi snarfing her material?
Comment by starling310 on 12/10/2007 15:01:19
Yup. The Jesus I learned about growing up preferred people to be humble in their worship.
starling310 on 12/10/2007 15:01:19
Quote by TriSec: Um, Mitt? Why do we need to keep God in the public square? Isn't your own church good enough for him? And by default, my church too?
Jeez.
Not one candidate has EVER satisfactorily answered why the Bible must be the law of the land.
Yup. The Jesus I learned about growing up preferred people to be humble in their worship.
Comment by Raine on 12/10/2007 15:02:20
And isn't that the damn truth? He is justifying it all as tho it was JUST a gay thing! 
it makes me so mad when people are so ignorant that they cannot see thier own bigotry.
Basically he is saying proudly ... He is a bigot! :rage:
Raine on 12/10/2007 15:02:20
Quote by starling310: We didn't know it would affect : drama sting : STRAIGHT people at the time!
it makes me so mad when people are so ignorant that they cannot see thier own bigotry.
Basically he is saying proudly ... He is a bigot! :rage:
Comment by Raine on 12/10/2007 15:04:19
Raine on 12/10/2007 15:04:19
Funny thing, if you believe in Goddess EArth... well that public square??? the spirit is always there. with or without people putting her there.
Comment by Raine on 12/10/2007 15:08:25
Raine on 12/10/2007 15:08:25
I am not too fond of Frosty either.
Comment by livingonli on 12/10/2007 15:08:50
livingonli on 12/10/2007 15:08:50
Maybe Linus should be President.
Comment by Raine on 12/10/2007 15:09:04
Raine on 12/10/2007 15:09:04
I like the Will of men with good peice myself.... :P
Comment by starling310 on 12/10/2007 15:10:38
starling310 on 12/10/2007 15:10:38
The Will of Men who make good peas.
Comment by 
wickedpam on 12/10/2007 15:11:40
wickedpam on 12/10/2007 15:11:40
Morning! :hug:
LAST CALL!
BLOGGER JOE ( aka Secret Santa)
It’s that time of year again, this time I thought we could do a Cross Blog Blogger Joe with our friends at AAP!
If you would like to participate just...
1) Email me ([email protected]) by Friday, December 7th, with your Name and the Address were you would like to have something sent. Also include a list of items that you do not wish to receive for reasons of allergies or ethics (i.e. leather, alcohol, etc.).
2) On Monday, December 10th I will draw names and PM or email you back with the Name and Address of the Blogger Joe you are to gift.
3) Shop or create something for your Blogger Joe, but spend no more then $10 on that gift.
4) Send your gift to you Blogger Joe so that they will receive it during the week of December 19th, so we call open them together on either 12/21 or 12/24.
5) Enjoy and have fun!
LAST CALL!
BLOGGER JOE ( aka Secret Santa)
It’s that time of year again, this time I thought we could do a Cross Blog Blogger Joe with our friends at AAP!
If you would like to participate just...
1) Email me ([email protected]) by Friday, December 7th, with your Name and the Address were you would like to have something sent. Also include a list of items that you do not wish to receive for reasons of allergies or ethics (i.e. leather, alcohol, etc.).
2) On Monday, December 10th I will draw names and PM or email you back with the Name and Address of the Blogger Joe you are to gift.
3) Shop or create something for your Blogger Joe, but spend no more then $10 on that gift.
4) Send your gift to you Blogger Joe so that they will receive it during the week of December 19th, so we call open them together on either 12/21 or 12/24.
5) Enjoy and have fun!
Comment by Raine on 12/10/2007 15:12:56
Raine on 12/10/2007 15:12:56
Mitt looks like Count chocula to me.
Comment by wickedpam on 12/10/2007 15:13:36
wickedpam on 12/10/2007 15:13:36
Oops! For got to add I'll take names up until noon!
Comment by Raine on 12/10/2007 15:13:54
Imagine Whirled Peas...
Raine on 12/10/2007 15:13:54
Quote by starling310: The Will of Men who make good peas.
Comment by livingonli on 12/10/2007 15:14:22
livingonli on 12/10/2007 15:14:22
BBC World is showing Al Gore speaking in Norway.
Comment by starling310 on 12/10/2007 15:16:35
starling310 on 12/10/2007 15:16:35
Bjork! HA! 
Comment by wickedpam on 12/10/2007 15:16:44
For some reason that image makes me a little queasy
wickedpam on 12/10/2007 15:16:44
Quote by Raine:Imagine Whirled Peas...Quote by starling310: The Will of Men who make good peas.
For some reason that image makes me a little queasy
Comment by TriSec on 12/10/2007 15:20:02
TriSec on 12/10/2007 15:20:02
Jim, what's truly disturbing is that it doesn't take that big a leap of imagination to picture some ignorant fundamentalist preacher going on about that....
Comment by TriSec on 12/10/2007 15:22:28
TriSec on 12/10/2007 15:22:28
Today's daily "awwwwww":
We collected for "Toys for Tots" at the Pack meeting last Friday...
We collected for "Toys for Tots" at the Pack meeting last Friday...
Comment by Raine on 12/10/2007 15:29:49
Raine on 12/10/2007 15:29:49
Police expect no Charges in Christian Youth Group Diaper Skit....
You can't make this stuff up friends.
A skit at a local Christian youth group meeting had teenage boys taking off some of their clothes, wearing adult diapers, bibs and bonnets and being spoon-fed by girls as they sat in their laps.
Comment by starling310 on 12/10/2007 15:30:20
starling310 on 12/10/2007 15:30:20
I'm still awaiting my first royalty check for the segment title,"Ask the Spy Guy."
Comment by BobR on 12/10/2007 15:30:34
BobR on 12/10/2007 15:30:34
Awwww...
Comment by livingonli on 12/10/2007 15:32:08
I'm glad you don't hold your breath.
livingonli on 12/10/2007 15:32:08
Quote by starling310: I'm still awaiting my first royalty check for the segment title,"Ask the Spy Guy."
I'm glad you don't hold your breath.
Comment by wickedpam on 12/10/2007 15:33:03
Totally AAWWWW!
wickedpam on 12/10/2007 15:33:03
Quote by TriSec: Today's daily "awwwwww":
We collected for "Toys for Tots" at the Pack meeting last Friday...
Totally AAWWWW!
Comment by livingonli on 12/10/2007 15:35:18
livingonli on 12/10/2007 15:35:18
What a lovely bunch. 
Comment by TriSec on 12/10/2007 15:36:45
Well, they must have a different definition of "Christian" then...
And what's up with this "God hates the World" bit? I thought that was a parody from somewhere, but is this real?
TriSec on 12/10/2007 15:36:45
Quote by Raine: Police expect no Charges in Christian Youth Group Diaper Skit....You can't make this stuff up friends.A skit at a local Christian youth group meeting had teenage boys taking off some of their clothes, wearing adult diapers, bibs and bonnets and being spoon-fed by girls as they sat in their laps.
Well, they must have a different definition of "Christian" then...
And what's up with this "God hates the World" bit? I thought that was a parody from somewhere, but is this real?
Comment by wickedpam on 12/10/2007 15:36:50
Wow! Our big skit in youth group was why you shouldn't do drugs, which played for less then 20 minutes at the Independance Mall in Wilmington NC when they were doing some anti-drug thing week for teens.
wickedpam on 12/10/2007 15:36:50
Quote by Raine: Police expect no Charges in Christian Youth Group Diaper Skit....You can't make this stuff up friends.A skit at a local Christian youth group meeting had teenage boys taking off some of their clothes, wearing adult diapers, bibs and bonnets and being spoon-fed by girls as they sat in their laps.
Wow! Our big skit in youth group was why you shouldn't do drugs, which played for less then 20 minutes at the Independance Mall in Wilmington NC when they were doing some anti-drug thing week for teens.
Comment by starling310 on 12/10/2007 15:38:58
starling310 on 12/10/2007 15:38:58
Jim's got a man crush on the spy guy. Now, that is today's daily awwww!
:wub2:
:wub2:
Comment by livingonli on 12/10/2007 15:39:23
Alas, it is the wonderful people from Westboro Baptist Church. I think it's the most bizarre example of projection by attributing their hatred to God.
I wonder how they will react when they find out there the ones in hell?
livingonli on 12/10/2007 15:39:23
Quote by TriSec:
And what's up with this "God hates the World" bit? I thought that was a parody from somewhere, but is this real?
Alas, it is the wonderful people from Westboro Baptist Church. I think it's the most bizarre example of projection by attributing their hatred to God.
I wonder how they will react when they find out there the ones in hell?
Comment by wickedpam on 12/10/2007 15:41:02
wickedpam on 12/10/2007 15:41:02
Yeah! I'm with spy guy. If your gonna lie, be creative, make it worth my while to hear your story.
Comment by TriSec on 12/10/2007 15:42:30
TriSec on 12/10/2007 15:42:30
Dear Westboro Baptist Church:
Didn't I read this somewhere?
"For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life. For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but to save the world through him. Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe stands condemned already because he has not believed in the name of God's one and only Son."
I was wondering, which version of the Bible are you using?
In the name of Christ,
TriSec
Didn't I read this somewhere?
"For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life. For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but to save the world through him. Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe stands condemned already because he has not believed in the name of God's one and only Son."
I was wondering, which version of the Bible are you using?
In the name of Christ,
TriSec
Comment by starling310 on 12/10/2007 15:42:44
Here's an idea. When you're telling these stories, HAVE A POINT! It makes is sooo much more interesting for the listener!
starling310 on 12/10/2007 15:42:44
Quote by wickedpam: Yeah! I'm with spy guy. If your gonna lie, be creative, make it worth my while to hear your story.
Here's an idea. When you're telling these stories, HAVE A POINT! It makes is sooo much more interesting for the listener!
Comment by BobR on 12/10/2007 15:43:30
BobR on 12/10/2007 15:43:30
You can watch the hate while you listen:
Comment by starling310 on 12/10/2007 15:45:17
starling310 on 12/10/2007 15:45:17
Quote by livingonli:I'm glad you don't hold your breath.
Comment by Raine on 12/10/2007 15:46:20
Raine on 12/10/2007 15:46:20
I would like to add that the Men in the Family Tri Sec are a handsome bunch especially in those Uniforms! ... rowrrr!
Comment by Raine on 12/10/2007 15:49:34
IT get's worse:
Girls eating Chocolate Pudding out of Diaper's. Where is the outcry from the christian Rights wingers about this???
Raine on 12/10/2007 15:49:34
Quote by wickedpam:Wow! Our big skit in youth group was why you shouldn't do drugs, which played for less then 20 minutes at the Independance Mall in Wilmington NC when they were doing some anti-drug thing week for teens.Quote by Raine: Police expect no Charges in Christian Youth Group Diaper Skit....You can't make this stuff up friends.A skit at a local Christian youth group meeting had teenage boys taking off some of their clothes, wearing adult diapers, bibs and bonnets and being spoon-fed by girls as they sat in their laps.
She said even if there is no police action taken, she felt it important to speak out so that other parents know what goes on at the meetings. She said at an earlier meeting girls ate jelly beans in chocolate pudding out of adult diapers.Mr. Wandrisco, in an interview, acknowledged that the Nov. 29 skit had taken place as Ms. Metz described and that the group had also participated at an earlier date in the skit that involved eating chocolate pudding out of diapers.
Comment by wickedpam on 12/10/2007 15:51:49
wickedpam on 12/10/2007 15:51:49
Was he talking in a mall?
Comment by starling310 on 12/10/2007 15:52:03
starling310 on 12/10/2007 15:52:03
Sheesh Joe Biden. Why do you HATE AMERICA?!?!
Comment by livingonli on 12/10/2007 15:52:21
livingonli on 12/10/2007 15:52:21
That does sound like a very odd bit for a Christian group to do. 
Comment by TriSec on 12/10/2007 15:52:36
TriSec on 12/10/2007 15:52:36
Can I go on record about Sen. McCain?
He's a piece of work, and he's got more baggage than the luggage retrieval system at Heathrow, but I would think his opinions on torture and the treatment of POWs are beyond reproach...
He's a piece of work, and he's got more baggage than the luggage retrieval system at Heathrow, but I would think his opinions on torture and the treatment of POWs are beyond reproach...
Comment by TriSec on 12/10/2007 15:53:55
Could it beeeeeeeeee.......
SATAN!?!?!
TriSec on 12/10/2007 15:53:55
Quote by livingonli: That does sound like a very odd bit for a Christian group to do.
Could it beeeeeeeeee.......
SATAN!?!?!
Comment by livingonli on 12/10/2007 15:55:19
He was the only Republican in the Keating Five scandal. Interesting that none of the Democratic Senators in that group are in the Senate anymore but he still is.
livingonli on 12/10/2007 15:55:19
Quote by TriSec: Can I go on record about Sen. McCain?
He's a piece of work, and he's got more baggage than the luggage retrieval system at Heathrow, but I would think his opinions on torture and the treatment of POWs are beyond reproach...
He was the only Republican in the Keating Five scandal. Interesting that none of the Democratic Senators in that group are in the Senate anymore but he still is.
Comment by starling310 on 12/10/2007 15:56:14
starling310 on 12/10/2007 15:56:14
Ah. Yes. Let the fall of Rome begin.
Comment by starling310 on 12/10/2007 15:59:06
starling310 on 12/10/2007 15:59:06
Wow. The Quake stream just burst into spontaneous commercial break.
Comment by wickedpam on 12/10/2007 16:05:33
I skimmed the article, what the hell was this skit supposed tobe about?
wickedpam on 12/10/2007 16:05:33
Quote by Raine:IT get's worse:Quote by wickedpam:Quote by Raine: Police expect no Charges in Christian Youth Group Diaper Skit....You can't make this stuff up friends.A skit at a local Christian youth group meeting had teenage boys taking off some of their clothes, wearing adult diapers, bibs and bonnets and being spoon-fed by girls as they sat in their laps.
Wow! Our big skit in youth group was why you shouldn't do drugs, which played for less then 20 minutes at the Independance Mall in Wilmington NC when they were doing some anti-drug thing week for teens.She said even if there is no police action taken, she felt it important to speak out so that other parents know what goes on at the meetings. She said at an earlier meeting girls ate jelly beans in chocolate pudding out of adult diapers.Mr. Wandrisco, in an interview, acknowledged that the Nov. 29 skit had taken place as Ms. Metz described and that the group had also participated at an earlier date in the skit that involved eating chocolate pudding out of diapers.
Girls eating Chocolate Pudding out of Diaper's. Where is the outcry from the christian Rights wingers about this???
I skimmed the article, what the hell was this skit supposed tobe about?
Comment by TriSec on 12/10/2007 16:07:50
TriSec on 12/10/2007 16:07:50
Ya know, I just had another though on this "God hates us all" bit...
Didn't Michael Jackson and Quincy Jones write the original melody and lyrics for that way back when?
Did they have to approve this, or is it a copyright infringement now?
And if they did approve it....:thud:
Didn't Michael Jackson and Quincy Jones write the original melody and lyrics for that way back when?
Did they have to approve this, or is it a copyright infringement now?
And if they did approve it....:thud:
Comment by starling310 on 12/10/2007 16:08:14
starling310 on 12/10/2007 16:08:14
The Ref is hilarious!
Comment by Raine on 12/10/2007 16:08:22
Raine on 12/10/2007 16:08:22
MAla, I am not sure except to say that the skit was supposed to be an Icebreaker for the Youthgroup. it is very strange to me.
Comment by wickedpam on 12/10/2007 16:08:56
wickedpam on 12/10/2007 16:08:56
What was that from? :lol:
Comment by Raine on 12/10/2007 16:09:30
oooOOOOH! Great point! I wonder if they are aware of this!
Raine on 12/10/2007 16:09:30
Quote by TriSec: Ya know, I just had another though on this "God hates us all" bit... Didn't Michael Jackson and Quincy Jones write the original melody and lyrics for that way back when? Did they have to approve this, or is it a copyright infringement now? And if they did approve it....:thud:
Comment by starling310 on 12/10/2007 16:10:19
starling310 on 12/10/2007 16:10:19
Another good quote from The Ref, which always make me think fondly of my own Catholic Guilt Mother:
: kevin spacey : "You know what I'm going to get you next Christmas, Mom? A big wooden cross, so that every time you feel unappreciated for your sacrifices, you can climb on up and nail yourself to it. "
: kevin spacey : "You know what I'm going to get you next Christmas, Mom? A big wooden cross, so that every time you feel unappreciated for your sacrifices, you can climb on up and nail yourself to it. "
Comment by wickedpam on 12/10/2007 16:12:22
Ya have to wonder where the youth group leaders were. I loved ours, really small methodist church were the paster and his wife were always there to watch what we were doing. It's the only church I've ever felt completely at home it. Haven't been able to find a place like that since.
wickedpam on 12/10/2007 16:12:22
Quote by Raine: MAla, I am not sure except to say that the skit was supposed to be an Icebreaker for the Youthgroup. it is very strange to me.
Ya have to wonder where the youth group leaders were. I loved ours, really small methodist church were the paster and his wife were always there to watch what we were doing. It's the only church I've ever felt completely at home it. Haven't been able to find a place like that since.
Comment by TriSec on 12/10/2007 16:12:38
TriSec on 12/10/2007 16:12:38
Ah, I just skimmed that "Christian Play" article again.
It was wacky teenage fun!
And this, too:
Compare and contrast to Scout meeting icebreakers:
It was wacky teenage fun!
Some say it's just crazy, goofy teenage fun. But others, including one boy's mother and the Mt. Lebanon School District, aren't comfortable with it.
And this, too:
"The skits are designed for one reason and one reason only -- for kids to have fun. It's not a dirty joke. The skits are to break down the walls and let them have fun," Mr. Wandrisco said.
Compare and contrast to Scout meeting icebreakers:
Stunts, tricks, and puzzles brighten meetings and put the group in a happier, livelier, more receptive mood. Use them as icebreakers to get the meeting off to a good start or as an element of surprise or excitement when people get restless. There are several different types of stunts:
Those that the boys perform for an audience
Audience participation, in which everyone joins in by making sound effects or some other type of response to a leader
Applause stunts, which are especially useful for recognition
These activities should be fun for the boys as well as the audience. Because stunts are simpler than skits, they usually don't require as much preparation and rehearsal. All stunts, however, should be positive in nature and encourage a boy's self-esteem.
Comment by wickedpam on 12/10/2007 16:13:29
I do like that movie. It's completely uncomfortable from start to end. And highly under-rated!
wickedpam on 12/10/2007 16:13:29
Quote by starling310: Another good quote from The Ref, which always make me think fondly of my own Catholic Guilt Mother:
: kevin spacey : "You know what I'm going to get you next Christmas, Mom? A big wooden cross, so that every time you feel unappreciated for your sacrifices, you can climb on up and nail yourself to it. "
I do like that movie. It's completely uncomfortable from start to end. And highly under-rated!
Comment by BobR on 12/10/2007 16:16:44
They are not required to get approval to use the musical notes. They WOULD be required to get permissions to use parts of the actual recording. Either way, they are required to pay royalties for use, so if they perform it live, or broadcast it or sell copies of it, then Jones and Jackson get a cut.
BobR on 12/10/2007 16:16:44
Quote by TriSec: Ya know, I just had another though on this "God hates us all" bit...
Didn't Michael Jackson and Quincy Jones write the original melody and lyrics for that way back when?
Did they have to approve this, or is it a copyright infringement now?
And if they did approve it....:thud:
They are not required to get approval to use the musical notes. They WOULD be required to get permissions to use parts of the actual recording. Either way, they are required to pay royalties for use, so if they perform it live, or broadcast it or sell copies of it, then Jones and Jackson get a cut.
Comment by starling310 on 12/10/2007 16:19:25
starling310 on 12/10/2007 16:19:25
Barack is, in fact, a smoker.
Comment by BobR on 12/10/2007 16:19:44
I think that's the key. I think religious groups try to make people feel worthless and small so that the can use God to make them feel better about themselves.
BobR on 12/10/2007 16:19:44
Quote by TriSec:It was wacky teenage fun!...All stunts, however, should be positive in nature and encourage a boy's self-esteem.
I think that's the key. I think religious groups try to make people feel worthless and small so that the can use God to make them feel better about themselves.
Comment by Raine on 12/10/2007 16:22:11
Raine on 12/10/2007 16:22:11
Velveeta just called! She hello to everyone and she is currently stuck in MAll hell!
Comment by Raine on 12/10/2007 16:23:52
Does he still smoke? I thought he said he quit.
Raine on 12/10/2007 16:23:52
Quote by starling310: Barack is, in fact, a smoker.
Comment by starling310 on 12/10/2007 16:25:25
:rofl:
Oh...eh hem....yeah, yeah.....maybe he did.
starling310 on 12/10/2007 16:25:25
Quote by Raine:Does he still smoke? I thought he said he quit.Quote by starling310: Barack is, in fact, a smoker.
:rofl:
Oh...eh hem....yeah, yeah.....maybe he did.
Comment by livingonli on 12/10/2007 16:27:47
That's why I prefer to shop online.
livingonli on 12/10/2007 16:27:47
Quote by Raine: Velveeta just called! She hello to everyone and she is currently stuck in MAll hell!
That's why I prefer to shop online.
Comment by Raine on 12/10/2007 16:29:51
I am just not sure how this makes anyone feel better about themselves. I have no problems personally with Fetiches as it were, to tell you the truth, but these are pretty imprssionable young children.
Raine on 12/10/2007 16:29:51
Quote by BobR:I think that's the key. I think religious groups try to make people feel worthless and small so that the can use God to make them feel better about themselves.Quote by TriSec:It was wacky teenage fun!...All stunts, however, should be positive in nature and encourage a boy's self-esteem.
Comment by livingonli on 12/10/2007 16:31:11
livingonli on 12/10/2007 16:31:11
It does sound like a Christian Youth Group David Vitter would have loved.
Comment by Raine on 12/10/2007 16:31:19
I just got one of those "Oh, Little Naive One" pats on the head, didn't I? :rofl:
Raine on 12/10/2007 16:31:19
Quote by starling310::rofl: Oh...eh hem....yeah, yeah.....maybe he did.Quote by Raine:Does he still smoke? I thought he said he quit.Quote by starling310: Barack is, in fact, a smoker.
Comment by starling310 on 12/10/2007 16:34:13
No, no. Not at all. He's running for President. Everything he says must be the truth.
starling310 on 12/10/2007 16:34:13
Quote by Raine:I just got one of those "Oh, Little Naive One" pats on the head, didn't I? :rofl:Quote by starling310:Quote by Raine:Does he still smoke? I thought he said he quit.Quote by starling310: Barack is, in fact, a smoker.
:rofl:
Oh...eh hem....yeah, yeah.....maybe he did.
No, no. Not at all. He's running for President. Everything he says must be the truth.
Comment by wickedpam on 12/10/2007 16:34:21
wickedpam on 12/10/2007 16:34:21
I love the movie Scrooged
Comment by Raine on 12/10/2007 16:35:05
Raine on 12/10/2007 16:35:05
For Jim, if not christmas, Something came early... Skates to Penalty box
Comment by starling310 on 12/10/2007 16:35:40
starling310 on 12/10/2007 16:35:40
Wow...I am glad I don't have Britney's problems. The poor thing.
Comment by BobR on 12/10/2007 16:37:20
I meant that the skits make the kids feel small, so that God can be used to make them feel better about themselves..
BobR on 12/10/2007 16:37:20
Quote by Raine: I am just not sure how this makes anyone feel better about themselves. I have no problems personally with Fetiches as it were, to tell you the truth, but these are pretty imprssionable young children.
I meant that the skits make the kids feel small, so that God can be used to make them feel better about themselves..
Comment by livingonli on 12/10/2007 16:37:43
She needs one of those nice padded rooms after the young men in white coats take her away in a straightjacket.
livingonli on 12/10/2007 16:37:43
Quote by starling310: Wow...I am glad I don't have Britney's problems. The poor thing.
She needs one of those nice padded rooms after the young men in white coats take her away in a straightjacket.
Comment by Raine on 12/10/2007 16:38:40
Raine on 12/10/2007 16:38:40
REgarding Oprah... there is still a very big question about how many of those voters will actually VOTE for Obama. Also... I am thinking I may start calling Barack... Well. I am gonna call him Oprahma, or perhaps, Obrah? No tacky? Sorry... I love the Oprah, I do.
Comment by wickedpam on 12/10/2007 16:38:49
wickedpam on 12/10/2007 16:38:49
Am I the only woman on the planet not impressed by Oprah?
Comment by Raine on 12/10/2007 16:39:58
I See what you mean, and I think it is a very valid point.
Raine on 12/10/2007 16:39:58
Quote by BobR:I meant that the skits make the kids feel small, so that God can be used to make them feel better about themselves..Quote by Raine: I am just not sure how this makes anyone feel better about themselves. I have no problems personally with Fetiches as it were, to tell you the truth, but these are pretty imprssionable young children.
Comment by starling310 on 12/10/2007 16:40:57
starling310 on 12/10/2007 16:40:57
the OPRAH effect can bite me.
Comment by Raine on 12/10/2007 16:41:14
maybe... but I love you becuase of stuff like that!
Raine on 12/10/2007 16:41:14
Quote by wickedpam: Am I the only woman on the planet not impressed by Oprah?
Comment by Raine on 12/10/2007 16:42:38
Raine on 12/10/2007 16:42:38
I am really rather tired of women being questioned becuase they are not for Hillary. I would like to believe that we as women and still having the right of Choice have gone beyond picking a woman just becuase she is a woman.
Comment by wickedpam on 12/10/2007 16:43:30
Awww, and here I thought it was cause I have wine connections
Ditto form me.
wickedpam on 12/10/2007 16:43:30
Quote by Raine:maybe... but I love you becuase of stuff like that!Quote by wickedpam: Am I the only woman on the planet not impressed by Oprah?
Awww, and here I thought it was cause I have wine connections
Comment by starling310 on 12/10/2007 11:40:57 AM
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the OPRAH effect can bite me.
Ditto form me.
Comment by Raine on 12/10/2007 16:43:44
Raine on 12/10/2007 16:43:44
May I ask a question? What is the difference between Triangulating and Flip flopping?
Comment by Raine on 12/10/2007 16:44:23
Raine on 12/10/2007 16:44:23
Wine connections?!?!? oh yeah and that too!
Comment by livingonli on 12/10/2007 16:45:51
I am glad that it seems like many aren't supporting her because she's too far to the right on some issues and seems to be pandering to a center-right base that really doesn't exist except in the Republican Party. I would support a woman who will change the system, restore the constitution, and undo the Bush disaster. I will not support someone who wants to be like Margaret Thatcher.
livingonli on 12/10/2007 16:45:51
Quote by Raine: I am really rather tired of women being questioned becuase they are not for Hillary. I would like to believe that we as women and still having the right of Choice have gone beyond picking a woman just becuase she is a woman.
I am glad that it seems like many aren't supporting her because she's too far to the right on some issues and seems to be pandering to a center-right base that really doesn't exist except in the Republican Party. I would support a woman who will change the system, restore the constitution, and undo the Bush disaster. I will not support someone who wants to be like Margaret Thatcher.
Comment by wickedpam on 12/10/2007 16:46:33
Don't know. Triangulating sounds more scheming to me. Flip Floping sounds more like your wishy washy.
Personally, I don't mind if people change there mind on an issue, just explain to me why.
wickedpam on 12/10/2007 16:46:33
Quote by Raine: May I ask a question? What is the difference between Triangulating and Flip flopping?
Don't know. Triangulating sounds more scheming to me. Flip Floping sounds more like your wishy washy.
Personally, I don't mind if people change there mind on an issue, just explain to me why.
Comment by Raine on 12/10/2007 16:54:37
Raine on 12/10/2007 16:54:37
Hmm... John... Momma stealing the Wave again.
Momma stealing the Wave again.
Comment by Raine on 12/10/2007 16:56:16
Raine on 12/10/2007 16:56:16
Wow. Mitt is quite defensive about the issue of immigration isn't he?
Comment by livingonli on 12/10/2007 16:56:19
I hope that is still reading this blog as well as AAP.
livingonli on 12/10/2007 16:56:19
Quote by Raine: Hmm... John...
I hope that
is still reading this blog as well as AAP.
Comment by Raine on 12/10/2007 16:57:11
Raine on 12/10/2007 16:57:11
Uhm... doesn't Matter if Judy recieved threats. She was nothing more than a civilian.
Comment by livingonli on 12/10/2007 16:58:11
Another Republican who is a little thin-skinned when he is put under scrutiny.
livingonli on 12/10/2007 16:58:11
Quote by Raine: Wow. Mitt is quite defensive about the issue of immigration isn't he?
Another Republican who is a little thin-skinned when he is put under scrutiny.
Comment by wickedpam on 12/10/2007 17:09:09
wickedpam on 12/10/2007 17:09:09
Just making sure there are no straglers(sp) for the Blogger Joe thing!
Comment by livingonli on 12/10/2007 17:10:38
Anyone from last year who didn't re-up.
livingonli on 12/10/2007 17:10:38
Quote by wickedpam: Just making sure there are no straglers(sp) for the Blogger Joe thing!
Anyone from last year who didn't re-up.
Comment by wickedpam on 12/10/2007 17:16:29
I don't know people's RL situtation so I don't want to out anyone. We have some new people who joined in this year so it all balances out :D
wickedpam on 12/10/2007 17:16:29
Quote by livingonli:Quote by wickedpam: Just making sure there are no straglers(sp) for the Blogger Joe thing!
Anyone from last year who didn't re-up.
I don't know people's RL situtation so I don't want to out anyone. We have some new people who joined in this year so it all balances out :D
Comment by TriSec on 12/10/2007 17:21:58
Triangulation actually requires some thought.
If you're homing in on a position, you plot the distance from several points, then draw a circle. Where the lines intersect, that's where you want to be. So in the political sense, a canditate would pick a divisive issue then weigh the money, the wingnuts, and maybe the actual people, and where the majority opinions intersect, that would be his position.
Flip-flopping is easy. Depending on who you talk to, you adopt their position for the day.
TriSec on 12/10/2007 17:21:58
Quote by Raine: May I ask a question? What is the difference between Triangulating and Flip flopping?
Triangulation actually requires some thought.
If you're homing in on a position, you plot the distance from several points, then draw a circle. Where the lines intersect, that's where you want to be. So in the political sense, a canditate would pick a divisive issue then weigh the money, the wingnuts, and maybe the actual people, and where the majority opinions intersect, that would be his position.
Flip-flopping is easy. Depending on who you talk to, you adopt their position for the day.
Comment by TriSec on 12/10/2007 17:22:48
TriSec on 12/10/2007 17:22:48
Say, WP...did the cross-blog thing for Joe work out? Do we have decent participation from both groups?
Comment by wickedpam on 12/10/2007 17:29:45
wickedpam on 12/10/2007 17:29:45
Well outside of me and Liv, I'm guessing those on AAP were just a bit busy this year to join in.
Comment by BobR on 12/10/2007 17:30:56
I think it's rather insulting to women to assume they're so brain-dead as to not see beyond a candidate's gender. The same goes for the "all blacks will vote for Obama" idea.
I think it says a LOT about the person making that assumption...
BobR on 12/10/2007 17:30:56
Quote by Raine: I am really rather tired of women being questioned becuase they are not for Hillary. I would like to believe that we as women and still having the right of Choice have gone beyond picking a woman just becuase she is a woman.
I think it's rather insulting to women to assume they're so brain-dead as to not see beyond a candidate's gender. The same goes for the "all blacks will vote for Obama" idea.
I think it says a LOT about the person making that assumption...
Comment by BobR on 12/10/2007 17:32:22
It's sad when people let politics get in the way of friendships...
BobR on 12/10/2007 17:32:22
Quote by wickedpam: Well outside of me and Liv, I'm guessing those on AAP were just a bit busy this year to join in.
It's sad when people let politics get in the way of friendships...
Comment by wickedpam on 12/10/2007 17:34:58
I hope that wasn't the reason. I'm just going with they're really busy in RL. *adjusts rose colored glasses*
wickedpam on 12/10/2007 17:34:58
Quote by BobR:Quote by wickedpam: Well outside of me and Liv, I'm guessing those on AAP were just a bit busy this year to join in.
It's sad when people let politics get in the way of friendships...
I hope that wasn't the reason. I'm just going with they're really busy in RL. *adjusts rose colored glasses*
Comment by livingonli on 12/10/2007 17:41:00
The AAP blog does not have the activity it used to. I wonder how many even noticed? During the last hour of the show, the only posts on the AAP blog were from me, Mala, mgm, and crt. There's usually never more than 100 posts per day on that blog anymore.
livingonli on 12/10/2007 17:41:00
Quote by wickedpam:Quote by BobR:Quote by wickedpam: Well outside of me and Liv, I'm guessing those on AAP were just a bit busy this year to join in.
It's sad when people let politics get in the way of friendships...
I hope that wasn't the reason. I'm just going with they're really busy in RL. *adjusts rose colored glasses*
The AAP blog does not have the activity it used to. I wonder how many even noticed? During the last hour of the show, the only posts on the AAP blog were from me, Mala, mgm, and crt. There's usually never more than 100 posts per day on that blog anymore.
Comment by starling310 on 12/10/2007 17:45:27
starling310 on 12/10/2007 17:45:27
Thom is so far from sexist.
My friend Tony has a t-shirt that says "This is what a Feminist looks like." I can't tell you how many times I have thought to send one to Thom.
My friend Tony has a t-shirt that says "This is what a Feminist looks like." I can't tell you how many times I have thought to send one to Thom.
Comment by 
velveeta jones on 12/10/2007 17:51:42
velveeta jones on 12/10/2007 17:51:42
Morning all. Well okay, afternoon. Velveeta had to make a quick trip to the dreaded mall *shudder* due to the fact that, silly us, we forgot to buy our Uniceif Christmas cards online this year. Too busy moving. Now all is well, except we're behind!
Raine, I don't use paypal but I want to help. If you email me your address you'll get something from me to help 4F, as well as................. a Christmas card!
Raine, I don't use paypal but I want to help. If you email me your address you'll get something from me to help 4F, as well as................. a Christmas card!
Comment by livingonli on 12/10/2007 18:53:22
livingonli on 12/10/2007 18:53:22
Dana Perrino is married?
That might kill Jim's fantasies. Or maybe not?
That might kill Jim's fantasies. Or maybe not?
Comment by BobR on 12/10/2007 19:55:24
oh wow!
good scoop - I'd hate to see AAR lose her, but it would be great to see her on the tube, especially if she could bring some of that zaniness from her radio show with her.
BobR on 12/10/2007 19:55:24
Quote by livingonli: Oh, please let this be true?
oh wow!
good scoop - I'd hate to see AAR lose her, but it would be great to see her on the tube, especially if she could bring some of that zaniness from her radio show with her.
Comment by Raine on 12/10/2007 20:03:57
Heya VJ! Glad you got out of the mall in one piece! I myself have been busy conceptualizing our Christmas card today. I will have it done and mailed out by this weekend!
Raine on 12/10/2007 20:03:57
Quote by velveeta jones: Morning all. Well okay, afternoon. Velveeta had to make a quick trip to the dreaded mall *shudder* due to the fact that, silly us, we forgot to buy our Uniceif Christmas cards online this year. Too busy moving. Now all is well, except we're behind! Raine, I don't use paypal but I want to help. If you email me your address you'll get something from me to help 4F, as well as................. a Christmas card!
Comment by Raine on 12/10/2007 20:05:31
The first time I met BobR in Washington DC, they were giving out those stickers. BobR proudly wore it.
We have some of the very best feminists around these parts!
Raine on 12/10/2007 20:05:31
Quote by starling310: Thom is so far from sexist. My friend Tony has a t-shirt that says "This is what a Feminist looks like." I can't tell you how many times I have thought to send one to Thom.
Comment by livingonli on 12/10/2007 20:11:17
livingonli on 12/10/2007 20:11:17
Off to the salt mine I go. Time to watch the Knicks lose another game.
Comment by Raine on 12/10/2007 20:22:16
She is? Wow.
I feel so out of it, I have not listened to Thom all afternoon... 
Raine on 12/10/2007 20:22:16
Quote by livingonli: Dana Perrino is married? That might kill Jim's fantasies. Or maybe not?
Comment by TriSec on 12/10/2007 20:23:47
TriSec on 12/10/2007 20:23:47
It's from last year, but you can never get enough of this!
Comment by starling310 on 12/10/2007 20:24:33
I love that!
:clap:
starling310 on 12/10/2007 20:24:33
Quote by Raine:The first time I met BobR in Washington DC, they were giving out those stickers. BobR proudly wore it.Quote by starling310: Thom is so far from sexist.
My friend Tony has a t-shirt that says "This is what a Feminist looks like." I can't tell you how many times I have thought to send one to Thom.
We have some of the very best feminists around these parts!
I love that!
:clap:
Comment by TriSec on 12/10/2007 20:29:02
TriSec on 12/10/2007 20:29:02
Rachel on the teevee machine? I don't know whether I would mourn or not, I suppose that depends if TRMS goes the way of Unfiltered.
I got into this whole moderating thing because of that program. (UF). But I suppose that's the transient nature of this business that we call show.
I got into this whole moderating thing because of that program. (UF). But I suppose that's the transient nature of this business that we call show.
Comment by TriSec on 12/10/2007 20:31:01
TriSec on 12/10/2007 20:31:01
If it means anything, I recall my mother and aunt being big supporters of the ERA back in the 70s. I would have to count myself among the supporters, even at my younger age back then. But like the saying goes, you can't fool kids. If something is unfair, they'll tell you.
Comment by starling310 on 12/10/2007 20:34:49
So true.
The little bastids.
:lol:
starling310 on 12/10/2007 20:34:49
Quote by TriSec: But like the saying goes, you can't fool kids. If something is unfair, they'll tell you.
So true.
The little bastids.
:lol:
Comment by starling310 on 12/10/2007 20:45:25
time for some lady grey. . .
starling310 on 12/10/2007 20:45:25
time for some lady grey. . .
Comment by Raine on 12/10/2007 21:39:36
Raine on 12/10/2007 21:39:36
OK for now I must stop my brain has a hurt from creating Xmas card designs.
Comment by livingonli on 12/10/2007 21:45:40
I remember when Rachel was on Tucker the first few weeks when his show was at 9 PM and she had to keep that really weird schedule because her show was on at 5 AM back then. I still remember the Village Voice review which trashed the show but said that she was the best thing on it and should have her own show on MSNBC.
livingonli on 12/10/2007 21:45:40
Quote by TriSec: Rachel on the teevee machine? I don't know whether I would mourn or not, I suppose that depends if TRMS goes the way of Unfiltered.
I got into this whole moderating thing because of that program. (UF). But I suppose that's the transient nature of this business that we call show.
I remember when Rachel was on Tucker the first few weeks when his show was at 9 PM and she had to keep that really weird schedule because her show was on at 5 AM back then. I still remember the Village Voice review which trashed the show but said that she was the best thing on it and should have her own show on MSNBC.
Comment by Raine on 12/10/2007 21:48:50
Raine on 12/10/2007 21:48:50
You know as far as the good Dr goes, if she does get a show, perhpas she could keep her radio program as well, Keith Olberman has... And as far as UF... TRi, I hear you... UF changed my little life as well.. *sigh*
Comment by starling310 on 12/10/2007 21:50:59
starling310 on 12/10/2007 21:50:59
I do not think I'd be understanding if the Dems were to, as Randi suggests, say "Oh, it was right after September 11th, blah, blah, blah...."
F that.
NO, not good enough.
F that.
NO, not good enough.
Comment by starling310 on 12/10/2007 21:57:16
starling310 on 12/10/2007 21:57:16
Ya know friggin' Randi! Jesus. Brent and Jonathan turley are so nice to her and respectful....and they are BY FAR smarter than she is. They never talk down to her, or make her seem dumb....WHY can she NOT have the same respect for her listeners???
Comment by livingonli on 12/10/2007 21:59:39
livingonli on 12/10/2007 21:59:39
I hope Sam Seder gets more airtime. He is great as a fill-in.
Comment by Raine on 12/10/2007 22:00:21
I have been reading a bit about this, and I am not completely sold that the Dems ok'd the torture. I really am not. I do believe they were informed on the fact that there would be more sever interrogations(which is still not cool) but the meeting, the closed door meeting had 2 dems and 2 repubs... AND at the time, the repubs were in charge. Something is not right here.
Raine on 12/10/2007 22:00:21
Quote by starling310: I do not think I'd be understanding if the Dems were to, as Randi suggests, say "Oh, it was right after September 11th, blah, blah, blah...." F that. NO, not good enough.
Comment by starling310 on 12/10/2007 22:02:39
Oh, either way, I am sure it wasn't all of them. But, Randi's saying if they just say they didn't know what to do, the American People will "let is slide" so to speak. I disagree. I need a better explanation, in the event of an admission of guilt, than "I didn't know what to do."
starling310 on 12/10/2007 22:02:39
Quote by Raine:I have been reading a bit about this, and I am not completely sold that the Dems ok'd the torture. I really am not. I do believe they were informed on the fact that there would be more sever interrogations(which is still not cool) but the meeting, the closed door meeting had 2 dems and 2 repubs... AND at the time, the repubs were in charge. Something is not right here.Quote by starling310: I do not think I'd be understanding if the Dems were to, as Randi suggests, say "Oh, it was right after September 11th, blah, blah, blah...."
F that.
NO, not good enough.
Oh, either way, I am sure it wasn't all of them. But, Randi's saying if they just say they didn't know what to do, the American People will "let is slide" so to speak. I disagree. I need a better explanation, in the event of an admission of guilt, than "I didn't know what to do."
Comment by starling310 on 12/10/2007 22:04:25
You thinkin' they may have lost a thumb wrestling match?
starling310 on 12/10/2007 22:04:25
Quote by Raine:
the closed door meeting had 2 dems and 2 repubs... AND at the time, the repubs were in charge. Something is not right here.
You thinkin' they may have lost a thumb wrestling match?
Comment by livingonli on 12/10/2007 22:06:19
livingonli on 12/10/2007 22:06:19
Just a programming heads up. Tomorrow's Democracy Now will be playing Al Gore's speech in Norway with the Nobel Peace Prize winners in full.
Comment by starling310 on 12/10/2007 22:13:46
starling310 on 12/10/2007 22:13:46
Ha! Raine! That quote is when I texted you that I thought Chuck Hagel was dreamy.
Comment by Raine on 12/10/2007 23:59:42
OMFG... :rolf: you did, and I am sorry that I did not Tm you back in agreement..Dude is dreamy... I love a person's mind over ANYTHING else.
Raine on 12/10/2007 23:59:42
Quote by starling310: Ha! Raine! That quote is when I texted you that I thought Chuck Hagel was dreamy.
Comment by Raine on 12/11/2007 00:05:56
You have a great damn point. The fucking dems need to stand (or needed to when they had the chance to --- even if they were the minority) MORALITY!
Morality. I think we are getting to a real basic situation here.
Raine on 12/11/2007 00:05:56
Quote by starling310:You thinkin' they may have lost a thumb wrestling match?Quote by Raine: the closed door meeting had 2 dems and 2 repubs... AND at the time, the repubs were in charge. Something is not right here.
Comment by Raine on 12/11/2007 00:13:50
Raine on 12/11/2007 00:13:50
If the Dems did ANYTHING to keep the waters still at the time... they MUST explain WHY.
HAs the Bar of the constitution dropped that low?
Have we drifted so far from our civics lesson's that we cannot debate?
Does this president.. in the face of knowing that impeachment is off the table, realize that he can break ANY constitutional law that he wants?
So far he has.
What are we as citizens to do?
Comment by livingonli on 12/11/2007 00:24:33
livingonli on 12/11/2007 00:24:33
If the Democrats don't have the guts to act like an opposition party , stand up to the constitution and oppose the creeping fascism of the Bush Administration. The only option may be open rebellion in the streets. But, you need huge numbers in order to avoid being crushed by government repression.
Comment by starling310 on 12/11/2007 00:33:52
*sigh*
Look at the people, in another country, smiling at him. . . those were the days.
starling310 on 12/11/2007 00:33:52
*sigh*
Look at the people, in another country, smiling at him. . . those were the days.
Comment by livingonli on 12/11/2007 00:58:30
livingonli on 12/11/2007 00:58:30
When Bush visits another country, they line up to protest him and he has to hide behind the secret service.
Comment by 
MMB on 12/11/2007 01:03:40
MMB on 12/11/2007 01:03:40
Hi to everyone starling310 I just read your confession about The Real Lives of Orange Cty housewives. I must admit I am for some unknown reason compelled to watch it!! I like how they have raised the kids and all of a sudden they hit 18 and they are confused about why the kids are like they are!!!! 
Look around mom. But who am I to judge my 26 y/o seems to think he should have the OC life style. I always tell him he has a yacht taste with a rowboat budget!!. 
Look around mom. But who am I to judge my 26 y/o seems to think he should have the OC life style. I always tell him he has a yacht taste with a rowboat budget!!.
Comment by Mondobubba on 12/11/2007 01:08:41
Mondobubba on 12/11/2007 01:08:41
Hello all sulfa drugs and cheap burger for work provided lunch. :puke:
Comment by Mondobubba on 12/11/2007 01:27:04
:Scans blog: That is super Awwww and not in a cloying of trecally way.
Mondobubba on 12/11/2007 01:27:04
Quote by TriSec: Today's daily "awwwwww":
We collected for "Toys for Tots" at the Pack meeting last Friday...
:Scans blog: That is super Awwww and not in a cloying of trecally way.
Comment by livingonli on 12/11/2007 02:05:43
livingonli on 12/11/2007 02:05:43
Knicks are down 60-40 against Dallas and the crowd is screaming "Fire Isaiah". And today was also the day they settled the sexual harassment suit brought on by a former New York Knicks/MSG employee.
Comment by TriSec on 12/11/2007 02:11:14
Hmm..
Do you think the team is "tanking" to try to get him fired? That can't be a good atmosphere for a player to be in...
TriSec on 12/11/2007 02:11:14
Quote by livingonli: Knicks are down 60-40 against Dallas and the crowd is screaming "Fire Isaiah". And today was also the day they settled the sexual harassment suit brought on by a former New York Knicks/MSG employee.
Hmm..
Do you think the team is "tanking" to try to get him fired? That can't be a good atmosphere for a player to be in...
Comment by livingonli on 12/11/2007 02:16:20
livingonli on 12/11/2007 02:16:20
I never thought of that theory, Tri. I just thought he was a terrible coach.
Comment by livingonli on 12/11/2007 03:01:25
livingonli on 12/11/2007 03:01:25
And of course the Knicks blow another one.
Comment by Mondobubba on 12/11/2007 03:07:58
Mondobubba on 12/11/2007 03:07:58
:ties off vein, slides The Wire needle in. registers the blast: :eyes roll in head: :wets self:
SEASON FOUR! :metal:
SEASON FOUR! :metal: