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Author: TriSec    Date: 01/22/2008 11:39:02

Good Morning.

Today is our 1,770th day in Iraq.


We'll start this morning as we always do, with the latest casualty figures from the warron terra, courtesy of Antiwar.com:

American Deaths
Since war began (3/19/03): 3929
Since "Mission Accomplished" (5/1/03): 3790
Since Capture of Saddam (12/13/03): 3468
Since Handover (6/29/04): 3070
Since Election (1/31/05): 2492

Other Coalition Troops: 307
US Military Deaths - Afghanistan: 480


We find this morning's cost of war passing through $487,842,800,000.00



Checking in with our friends at IAVA, we find that one of their bloggers is wondering "What's Next?" and why aren't the candidates really talking about the war in Iraq?
...To some extent, we were lulled by our relative (and bloodless, at least for our folks) successes in Bosnia and Kosovo. We allowed ourselves to believe in the idea that our ideals and image were powerful enough to change the world all by themselves.

Now the hard reality has come crashing in. Such aspirations, noble as they may be, are enormously expensive in money, manpower, and political capital. Power projection and nation building can no longer be something that the American government simply does on the side and leaves for the military to clean up afterwards. If we are to continue on this path, the interagency coordination, strategic patience, and multi-lateral cooperation that are the hallmarks of successful counterinsurgency and foreign internal defense will have to become core competencies of the US government.

This is the question that now confronts us in this stage of our Republic, and yet itís one that politicians and thinkers on both sides of the aisle seem strangely unwilling to confront. Both sides focus intently on Iraq as confirmation of their core principles, and yet both are unwilling to acknowledge that there are other potential major tasks looming in the distance, ones that will further test whether we truly wish to continue exporting our beliefs and ideals or retreat back into our relative continental safety.

In this election season, Iím looking for the candidate who is ready and willing to articulate a coherent, consistent vision of American power. Iím ready to hear from the candidate who acknowledges that we have taken on both great rights and great responsibilities in the global community, both of which may be more than we can bear. I want to hear if that candidate believes that it is necessary for our prosperity and survival that we continue to provide robust support to fledgling representative governments abroad, or if they believe we are better off focusing that time and energy within our own borders.

This isnít intended to be a leading question. It isnít intended to force the candidate into an answer that will match a carefully focus-grouped consensus. Itís intended to be an honest statement and vision of how American power fits into an interconnected, globalized world. I donít presuppose an answer at all, and Iím willing to have my own beliefs and perceptions rudely challenged in the process.

But what I really want to hear from McCain, Obama, Huckabee, Clinton, Romney, et al, is - Whatís Next?



Veering slightly away from the veterans, we have a local story from Manchester, NH about Iraqi refugees integrating themselves into American society. Given that so few of them have been allowed into these United States,
it's a rare story indeed.
MANCHESTER, N.H. - It has been two months since the new refugees from Iraq arrived in this former mill city - alone, relieved, and too dazed to even register the snow piled high on the streets.
more stories like this

Only their nightmares are familiar: the thunder of bombing outside their little yellow house in Baghdad, the shattering of windows, and the echo of their children's screams. The family is grateful to be safely out of Iraq, but they are anxious in their new home, unsure whether to even call on their neighbors, anxious over how those neighbors might greet them.

"I am afraid that they will close the door in my face," said Almas Zaya, 33, a warm woman with a wide smile, who arrived with her husband, Yousif Toma, 36, and their two children, Andy, 12, and Linda, 9.

As the US military continues to battle insurgents in Iraq, the Toma family finds itself in a most unusual spot. They are among little more than 1,000 Iraqi refugee families who have trickled into the country that is occupying their native land, and, as such, they are left to not only adapt to a new culture but to worry about the increasing unpopularity of the war in the United States.

So far, they've been cloistered, rarely venturing out into the city on their own, and no anger has been directed at them. But uncertainty accompanies them wherever they go - uncertainty over their new land, the reception they'll get, whether they'll ever be embraced given the war back home.

The young family arrived in Manchester more than a year after they fled Baghdad in 2006 with only two suitcases of clothes. They decided to leave after Zaya's uncle, a government official, was killed in front of his home, and threats from extremists against their Catholic church intensified.

"I saw the fear in my kids' eyes," Toma said.

They landed in Turkey and asked for help from the United Nations, which works with countries to resettle refugees, hoping they would be accepted and sent to a peaceful country. They had hoped to land in Luxembourg, where relatives had fled.

They did not expect to go to New Hampshire, a state where skiing is more popular than soccer, their favorite sport. Manchester, a city of 100,000, is more diverse than the rest of the Granite State - almost 11 percent of the city's residents are immigrants, compared with 5 percent statewide. Few Iraqis have ever settled here, but they remained hopeful. "The dream of every person is to be in the United States," Toma said.

The family arrived at Manchester's airport on Nov. 20, with their two children, and their knowledge of the United States limited to snippets of information gleaned from a crash course taught by US officials in Turkey. They knew a smattering of English words, that smoking is banned in government buildings, and how to dial 911.

Continued...



Finally, as we head through the election season, let's focus in on a couple of candidates and see where they stand on Iraq. Today, it's John Edwards.


"We don't need debate; we don't need non-binding resolutions; we need to end this war. In order to get the Iraqi people to take responsibility for their country, we must show them that we are serious about leaving, and the best way to do that is to actually start leaving." -- John Edwards

There is no military solution to the chaos in Iraq. Instead, the Iraqi people must solve the problem politically by taking responsibility for their country. By leaving Iraq, America will prompt the Iraqi people, regional powers, and the entire international community to find the political solution that will end the sectarian violence and create a stable Iraq. We must show the Iraqis that we are serious about leaving by actually starting to leave, with an immediate withdrawal of 40,000-50,000 troops and a complete withdrawal within nine to ten months. We should leave behind in Iraq only a brigade of 3,500 to 5,000 troops to protect the embassy and possibly a few hundred troops to guard humanitarian workers.

We can only achieve these steps through legislative action. Edwards strongly supports the supplemental spending bill passed by both Houses of Congress and vetoed by President Bush that funds the troops with a timetable for withdrawal. He has called for Congress to respond to the President's veto by sending back the same billóand doing this as many times as it takes for the President to end the war.

Continued...



Ah, I know that's a lot to read today, but it's a busy time...and as our header notes, we'll have a new president in 364 days!


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Comment by Raine on 01/22/2008 13:46:11
:coffee: Good Morning!

Comment by velveeta jones on 01/22/2008 13:53:36
Morning all,

Velveeta couldn't log on til she saw the Oscar noms.

3 of the 5 screenwriters: WOMEN!!



and

Comment by Raine on 01/22/2008 14:15:10
HEya VJ! 3 woman! Excellent!!!

Comment by Raine on 01/22/2008 14:32:13
Now THIS is an endorsement:



January 20, 2008



The Honorable John E. Edwards

410 Market Street

Suite 400

Chapel Hill, NC 27516





Dear Senator Edwards:



It was good meeting with you yesterday and discussing my fatherís legacy. On the day when the nation will honor my father, I wanted to follow up with a personal note.



There has been, and will continue to be, a lot of back and forth in the political arena over my fatherís legacy. It is a commentary on the breadth and depth of his impact that so many people want to claim his legacy. I am concerned that we do not blur the lines and obscure the truth about what he stood for: speaking up for justice for those who have no voice.



I appreciate that on the major issues of health care, the environment, and the economy, you have framed the issues for what they are - a struggle for justice. And, you have almost single-handedly made poverty an issue in this election.



You know as well as anyone that the 37 million people living in poverty have no voice in our system. They donít have lobbyists in Washington and they donít get to go to lunch with members of Congress. Speaking up for them is not politically convenient. But, it is the right thing to do.



I am disturbed by how little attention the topic of economic justice has received during this campaign. I want to challenge all candidates to follow your lead, and speak up loudly and forcefully on the issue of economic justice in America.



From our conversation yesterday, I know this is personal for you. I know you know what it means to come from nothing. I know you know what it means to get the opportunities you need to build a better life. And, I know you know that injustice is alive and well in America, because millions of people will never get the same opportunities you had.



I believe that now, more than ever, we need a leader who wakes up every morning with the knowledge of that injustice in the forefront of their minds, and who knows that when we commit ourselves to a cause as a nation, we can make major strides in our own lifetimes. My father was not driven by an illusory vision of a perfect society. He was driven by the certain knowledge that when people of good faith and strong principles commit to making things better, we can change hearts, we can change minds, and we can change lives.



So, I urge you: keep going. Ignore the pundits, who think this is a horserace, not a fight for justice. My dad was a fighter. As a friend and a believer in my fatherís words that injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere, I say to you: keep going. Keep fighting. My father would be proud.



Sincerely,



Martin L. King, III


:clap:

Comment by m-hadley on 01/22/2008 14:35:23
Good Morning Everybody!

Just wanted to let you all know that I have been blogging up a storm (posts include video of Barack's talk at Ebenezer Baptist Church, the West Memphis Three, and the war grinding on) oh, and I added a link to the Goldwater/Miller 2008 Commercial in the sidebar yesterday along with a great comment by Rachel Maddow (who rocks, BTB). Check it out: http://emailstosms.blogspot.com. Thanks and have a great day!

Cheers,

MFaye

Comment by Raine on 01/22/2008 14:35:29
eep. Tha market is tanking, badly. Down 400 points already this morning.

Comment by Raine on 01/22/2008 14:37:43
That 3/4% rate cut immediattly made the market tank. :grumble:

Comment by Raine on 01/22/2008 14:38:29
Quote by m-hadley: Good Morning Everybody! Just wanted to let you all know that I have been blogging up a storm (posts include video of Barack's talk at Ebenezer Baptist Church, the West Memphis Three, and the war grinding on) oh, and I added a link to the Goldwater/Miller 2008 Commercial in the sidebar yesterday along with a great comment by Rachel Maddow (who rocks, BTB). Check it out: http://emailstosms.blogspot.com. Thanks and have a great day! Cheers, MFaye
heya Faye!

Comment by Raine on 01/22/2008 14:41:17
Here is a direct link to M-hadley's site... We also have a link over in our sites colum... it is the one labled emails to Steph!

Comment by m-hadley on 01/22/2008 14:41:57
Heya Raine,

Love your posts - you are so right on!

Comment by Raine on 01/22/2008 14:45:46
M-hadley, would it be alright if I called you Faye??

Comment by Raine on 01/22/2008 14:47:49
:redface: thanks! I think we all are a fine bunch of bloggers 'round here!

Comment by Raine on 01/22/2008 14:50:20
Free the West Memphis Three. Amazing read. I highly recomend this!

Comment by Raine on 01/22/2008 14:52:53
The reason WHY edwards is not doing better is becuase he doesn't have the money of the other two candidates.

Comment by m-hadley on 01/22/2008 14:53:31
Raine,

I respond to MF, MFaye or just plain Faye - just don't call me Margaret Faye (that is reserved for my father and usually when I am in trouble =(

Thanks for the plug about the West Memphis Three - have you seen the documentaries?

Comment by Raine on 01/22/2008 14:53:37
Frothy Santorum!!!

Comment by Raine on 01/22/2008 14:55:56
Ahh Rick Santorum....
http://sedition.com/img/santorum-family.jpg


Comment by TriSec on 01/22/2008 14:57:16
Market's rebounded a little, but everything is running about 2% down across the board. (S&P, Nasdaq, and some individual stocks, too.)





Comment by wickedpam on 01/22/2008 14:58:57
Morning! :hug:

Comment by Raine on 01/22/2008 14:59:05
Quote by m-hadley: Raine, I respond to MF, MFaye or just plain Faye - just don't call me Margaret Faye (that is reserved for my father and usually when I am in trouble =( Thanks for the plug about the West Memphis Three - have you seen the documentaries?
Cool, then MF it will be! (shorter for me!)... I have not seen these documentaries, but I will very soon.

Comment by Raine on 01/22/2008 14:59:25
Rach is on the TV machine NOW!!! MSNBC!

Comment by Raine on 01/22/2008 15:03:27
Quote by TriSec: Market's rebounded a little, but everything is running about 2% down across the board. (S&P, Nasdaq, and some individual stocks, too.)
It's gonna be an ugly day.

Comment by Raine on 01/22/2008 15:09:54
:wacko: a disco hockey album?

Comment by livingonli on 01/22/2008 15:09:57
Good morning everyone.



Me so sleepy. And I have a tummy ache.



Anyone in Atlanta know what happened with The Weather Channel last night? They were in black for a long while and then they ran tape during the overnights. They just now went back to regular format and before 10 AM they only had one weather anchor by the map.

Comment by livingonli on 01/22/2008 15:10:47
Quote by Raine: a disco hockey album?


It's right up there with the Star Wars Holiday Special. Some things from the 70's should be left there.

Comment by wickedpam on 01/22/2008 15:12:14
Quote by Raine: a disco hockey album?




I remember a novelty song called Penalty Box but disco hockey instructs, wow!



Comment by wickedpam on 01/22/2008 15:14:42
Hey Liv - did your doctor's app go okay?

Comment by velveeta jones on 01/22/2008 15:18:08
Quote by livingonli: Good morning everyone.



Me so sleepy. And I have a tummy ache.



Anyone in Atlanta know what happened with The Weather Channel last night? They were in black for a long while and then they ran tape during the overnights. They just now went back to regular format and before 10 AM they only had one weather anchor by the map.


We got a mix of rain and snow currently. I rarely watch the Weather Channel. I log onto NOAA/storm watch.



Comment by livingonli on 01/22/2008 15:18:35
Quote by wickedpam: Hey Liv - did your doctor's app go okay?


Not so good. Weight was up again Blood Sugar levels still suck.

Comment by velveeta jones on 01/22/2008 15:19:48
Man-boobs.



Ugh.





Comment by Raine on 01/22/2008 15:20:01
Quote by livingonli: Good morning everyone.



Me so sleepy. And I have a tummy ache.



Anyone in Atlanta know what happened with The Weather Channel last night? They were in black for a long while and then they ran tape during the overnights. They just now went back to regular format and before 10 AM they only had one weather anchor by the map.
sorry to hear that you are felling bad, liv.



Dunno what happened to TWC. I know it is for sale, but it isn't becuase of money... hmm...



Comment by Raine on 01/22/2008 15:21:10
You Decide 2008 has the entire debate online, PLUS... they broke it down into 12 1o minutes segments and have it on you tube.



It is really worth the watch.

Comment by livingonli on 01/22/2008 15:22:58
Quote by velveeta jones: Man-boobs.



Ugh.





Hey, they work for Fred Thompson.



Nothing sexier than a man with a pair of these.

{Fred_Gump}

Comment by Raine on 01/22/2008 15:25:30
They booed hillary in this segment.



about three minutes in... but this was where things got fairly ugly.

Comment by wickedpam on 01/22/2008 15:25:57
Quote by livingonli:
Quote by wickedpam: Hey Liv - did your doctor's app go okay?


Not so good. Weight was up again Blood Sugar levels still suck.




sent you an email :hug:



Comment by BobR on 01/22/2008 15:31:25
morning, folks... :coffee:

Comment by livingonli on 01/22/2008 15:32:17
Morning BobR.

Comment by Raine on 01/22/2008 15:37:10
I am trying to find the portion of the debate where Obama said something about John edwrds being white... I was really kinda offended, but I want to get the direct quote.

Comment by Raine on 01/22/2008 15:39:34
The market is now down 150 points.

Comment by BobR on 01/22/2008 15:40:52
Is this a presidential debate or a WWE smackdown?

Comment by Raine on 01/22/2008 15:41:14
Go JOHN GO!!!

Comment by wickedpam on 01/22/2008 15:41:18
JOhn Edwards voice of common sense

Comment by Raine on 01/22/2008 15:42:03
Quote by Raine: You Decide 2008 has the entire debate online, PLUS... they broke it down into 12 1o minutes segments and have it on you tube. It is really worth the watch.
:bump:

Comment by Raine on 01/22/2008 15:42:43
I must say, I really appreciate Kevin's apology for yesterday. That takes a lot of cajones.

Comment by Raine on 01/22/2008 15:44:12
Quote by wickedpam: JOhn Edwards voice of common sense
Well if anything, I think we know who is the person that was most diplomatic, imo. IMO It was telling regarding how they handled the bickering,.

Comment by wickedpam on 01/22/2008 15:53:47
*sigh* I'm getting so tired of the people who are like vote for her cause she's a woman, vote for him cause he's black - just don't vote for the white male.



It doesn't matter that he (Edwards) has the better ideas.

Comment by Raine on 01/22/2008 15:58:57
you know what I tire of? the fact that BOTH obama and Hillary looks badly last night.



And once again, edwards isn't getting credit for staying WAY above the fray... not only did he stay above the fray, he kept things on issue and clearly talked about what he would do.



Obama DOES have a problem with his health care plan.

Comment by wickedpam on 01/22/2008 16:04:48
That's one of those things I like about Edwards he's usually on target. He sees a problem and comes up with ideas to fix it. Isn't that what we want in a pres. I mean right now we have one that refuses to see any problems at all!



I just want to get past the whole voting for chromosones thing.

Comment by livingonli on 01/22/2008 16:05:37
Quote by wickedpam: *sigh* I'm getting so tired of the people who are like vote for her cause she's a woman, vote for him cause he's black - just don't vote for the white male.



It doesn't matter that he (Edwards) has the better ideas.


The M$M wants to keep the race focused on Hillary and Obama because they want the ones closer to the center and hope that we will ignore the candidate running on a true Democratic platform and is better on the issues because he might cut into their huge profit margins. They've alreayd made Dennis disappear from the debates, how soon before they do the same to Edwards?

Comment by Raine on 01/22/2008 16:06:39
here is the comment that bothered me... it is in the first minute of the segment, so you do not have to watch the whole thing. Look at John's face.



Comment by Raine on 01/22/2008 16:07:40
Quote by wickedpam: That's one of those things I like about Edwards he's usually on target. He sees a problem and comes up with ideas to fix it. Isn't that what we want in a pres. I mean right now we have one that refuses to see any problems at all!



I just want to get past the whole voting for chromosones thing.


I love that! Chromosones!

Comment by livingonli on 01/22/2008 16:09:27
Now the Dow is only down 75 points.

Comment by wickedpam on 01/22/2008 16:12:16
Quote by Raine:
Quote by wickedpam: That's one of those things I like about Edwards he's usually on target. He sees a problem and comes up with ideas to fix it. Isn't that what we want in a pres. I mean right now we have one that refuses to see any problems at all!



I just want to get past the whole voting for chromosones thing.


I love that! Chromosones!




Ooop spelled it wrong! supposed to be Chromosomes - I was close though!



Comment by Raine on 01/22/2008 16:13:35
:puke: man boobs kinda scare me.

Comment by Raine on 01/22/2008 16:14:56
Quote by livingonli: Now the Dow is only down 75 points.
The Senate Finance commitee is currently meeting to discuss the economic stimulus plan.

Comment by wickedpam on 01/22/2008 16:19:48
I haven't gotten that email - my friends and family know I'll just send it back with facts.

Comment by livingonli on 01/22/2008 16:27:04
Papa's got a brand new bag.

Comment by wickedpam on 01/22/2008 16:27:25
Gawd! I almost spit my coffee all over my keyboard!

Comment by Raine on 01/22/2008 16:27:55
OMG! Mitt did NOT. What an ass. assy ass face. Using that song is really insulting.

Comment by wickedpam on 01/22/2008 16:28:12
MIcrosoft clip art Romney! :rofl:

Comment by Raine on 01/22/2008 16:29:13
Rudy is running for president of florida... I love that.

Comment by livingonli on 01/22/2008 16:29:36
Now the Dow is down 148.

Comment by livingonli on 01/22/2008 16:35:06
Anyone on the blog into old man drinks?

Comment by Raine on 01/22/2008 16:35:28
Quote by wickedpam: MIcrosoft clip art Romney! :rofl:
http://www.cc.gla.ac.uk:443/layer2/core_modules/a_r_t.jpg


Comment by BobR on 01/22/2008 16:36:10
Comment by Raine on 01/22/2008 16:36:15
Chuck norris looks like Christopher Guest in Waiting for Guffman.

Comment by wickedpam on 01/22/2008 16:36:25
Quote by livingonli: Anyone on the blog into old man drinks?




Not unless you count Black Cherry vodka and diet coke or diet dr pepper.



Comment by Raine on 01/22/2008 16:40:52
Chuckabee!
http://conservablogs.com/nuke/wp-content/uploads/2007/10/mikehuckabee.jpg


Comment by livingonli on 01/22/2008 16:41:47
Ahnold basically realizes the pack of GOP candidates are all turds. Come to think of it, so does most of the country.

Comment by shelaghc on 01/22/2008 16:44:32
Good morning all!



The Salvation Army was just here. They picked up my donations, and promptly dropped a box with a bunch of glass and ceramic items......



I think most of the mugs are okay (like they need more of those?), but the nice decorative platter I gave them is toast.



Now I can get dressed, finish listening to Steph, VOTE EARLY, and do some laundry without worrying if I'm going to miss the guys in the truck.



Comment by Raine on 01/22/2008 16:47:05
Quote by Raine: Chuck norris looks like Christopher Guest in Waiting for Guffman.
Seriously...
http://cache.boston.com/resize/bonzai-fba/AP_Photo/2008/01/21/1200916061_8243/539w.jpg
http://www.filmthreat.com/UploadImages/000007388_waitingforguffman2X.jpg


Comment by BobR on 01/22/2008 16:50:46
Quote by Raine: Seriously...





http://cache.boston.com/resize/bonzai-fba/AP_Photo/2008/01/21/1200916061_8243/539w.jpg
http://www.filmthreat.com/UploadImages/000007388_waitingforguffman2X.jpg


Ah lahk to say the names of nuts....

Walnut... peanut... cashew nut...

Comment by Raine on 01/22/2008 16:51:07
Quote by shelaghc: Good morning all! The Salvation Army was just here. They picked up my donations, and promptly dropped a box with a bunch of glass and ceramic items...... I think most of the mugs are okay (like they need more of those?), but the nice decorative platter I gave them is toast. Now I can get dressed, finish listening to Steph, VOTE EARLY, and do some laundry without worrying if I'm going to miss the guys in the truck.
you are leaving tomorrow, shelagh? I hope we get reports from the road!!!

Comment by livingonli on 01/22/2008 16:54:45
Bush always flunks in the blue book answers.

Comment by wickedpam on 01/22/2008 16:54:50
Well, I for one am glad that we've signed that peace treaty with the fish.

Comment by Raine on 01/22/2008 16:55:26
Quote by BobR:
Quote by Raine: Seriously...
http://cache.boston.com/resize/bonzai-fba/AP_Photo/2008/01/21/1200916061_8243/539w.jpg
http://www.filmthreat.com/UploadImages/000007388_waitingforguffman2X.jpg
Ah lahk to say the names of nuts.... Walnut... peanut... cashew nut...
Harlen Pepper!!
http://www.artandeth.com/Gallery2/ActorsG/7120-25451.gif
yes, he looks like Harlan as well!

Comment by livingonli on 01/22/2008 16:55:52
Jose Padilla sentenced to 17 years and 4 months in prison.

Comment by Raine on 01/22/2008 16:56:26
Jose Padilla was just sentenced to 17 years 4 months in prison. (for what exactly????)

Comment by shelaghc on 01/22/2008 16:57:04
Quote by Raine:you are leaving tomorrow, shelagh? I hope we get reports from the road!!!





I'm leaving tomorrow with the kitties, coming back Friday night with my right-wing conservative friends - we have a pact never to discuss politics and this should be a real test of that pact - then packing up my life in a truck on Saturday.



The whole thing will be all over by Sunday except for emptying out the boxes and getting a progressive radio station in Pittsburgh.



As of next week, my entire progressive lineup will be a local lady and Thom Hartmann.



No Steph, no Randi, no Rachel, not even Seder on Sunday.



:-<



I can't figure out if I should get Sirius or XM. Can't stand Lion-hell or Ed Schlitz, but Steph isn't on live and she'd be the only one on Sirius I think I'd want to listen to.



::::sigh:::::



Comment by Raine on 01/22/2008 16:57:10
:beer: for liv!

Comment by livingonli on 01/22/2008 16:57:34
That trial was a sham.

Comment by Raine on 01/22/2008 16:59:10
you won't be able to at least stream momma? When does your internet get hooked up?

Comment by Raine on 01/22/2008 17:01:49
How are the kitties with travel? When I drove down here, hoo haw, camille was so miserable. Mala and BobR are both witnesses to that!

Comment by livingonli on 01/22/2008 17:05:06
Quote by shelaghc:



As of next week, my entire progressive lineup will be a local lady and Thom Hartmann.



No Steph, no Randi, no Rachel, not even Seder on Sunday.



:-<



I can't figure out if I should get Sirius or XM. Can't stand Lion-hell or Ed Schlitz, but Steph isn't on live and she'd be the only one on Sirius I think I'd want to listen to.



::::sigh:::::





That would probably make the decision to go with XM if you're looking at the overall lineup. The only thing is they don't carry the full AAR line-up as is like running Ed Schill in place of Thom (Thom runs on delay at 8 PM), but at least in Pittsburgh you can listen live. Sirius has been pushing their in-house hosts so you would be left with Thom Hartmann, one hour of Steph, and Mike Malloy. But, on XM you would get Randi, Rachel, and Sam Seder live so it probably works out best for you.



Comment by livingonli on 01/22/2008 17:06:31
Quote by Raine: How are the kitties with travel? When I drove down here, hoo haw, camille was so miserable. Mala and BobR are both witnesses to that!


I saw that picture of Camille at the DC stop.

Comment by shelaghc on 01/22/2008 17:06:55
Quote by Raine: you won't be able to at least stream momma? When does your internet get hooked up?




Net and phone will be connected, hopefully, Thursday between 9:00A and 1:00P.



Quote by Raine: How are the kitties with travel? When I drove down here, hoo haw, camille was so miserable. Mala and BobR are both witnesses to that!




Kitties travel okay. They've both gone on this trip a few times now - Sandi, of course, more than Jester. Sandi tends to hide under the bed at the first sign that I'm packing anything so it's always a challenge getting her into the carrier, but once we're on the road, she's usually just fine. I even open the carrier and she stays right in there.



Comment by Raine on 01/22/2008 17:08:47
SLAM! out of the box from Thom.

Comment by Raine on 01/22/2008 17:11:14
Ok, so we can hopefully see you again on thursday. You should be able to at least stream Momma. We have links to Nova M right here on the sight. Untill you get things rolling down there with a radio station... you can still listen while you are at home...

Comment by shelaghc on 01/22/2008 17:13:30
Quote by livingonli: That would probably make the decision to go with XM if you're looking at the overall lineup. The only thing is they don't carry the full AAR line-up as is like running Ed Schill in place of Thom (Thom runs on delay at 8 PM), but at least in Pittsburgh you can listen live. Sirius has been pushing their in-house hosts so you would be left with Thom Hartmann, one hour of Steph, and Mike Malloy. But, on XM you would get Randi, Rachel, and Sam Seder live so it probably works out best for you.





You might be right. And I can always switch to AM if I'm out and about during Thom's airtime since Pittsburgh airs him live.



Hey, has anyone ever tried to cancel their phone service? This is the second time I've tried to call and I've been on hold for over ten minutes *again*!

Comment by shelaghc on 01/22/2008 17:17:19
For crying out loud! I just tried to cancel the service on the net and they don't do that on the web!



Comment by wickedpam on 01/22/2008 17:19:57
Quote by livingonli:
Quote by Raine: How are the kitties with travel? When I drove down here, hoo haw, camille was so miserable. Mala and BobR are both witnesses to that!


I saw that picture of Camille at the DC stop.






:lol: I remember that! I'd never seen a cat snub someone before



Comment by shelaghc on 01/22/2008 17:34:43
This is absolutely ridiculous. I tried calling the billing department. Now, I'm back in that same holding pattern.

Comment by Raine on 01/22/2008 17:35:47
Oh dear... caller with more potty mouth than me...

Comment by Raine on 01/22/2008 17:37:13
Quote by shelaghc: This is absolutely ridiculous. I tried calling the billing department. Now, I'm back in that same holding pattern.
WTF? do not be TOO nice with these people shelagh.

Comment by TriSec on 01/22/2008 17:59:54
TriSec's day:



http://www.airdisaster.com/eyewitness/psa.jpg


Comment by Raine on 01/22/2008 18:25:02
OMG... here it is... Mitt DOES say who let the dogs out,,, he calls a little girl a queen, and yes, he does say Bling bling. What it and weep. Mitt from Yesterday's Jacksonville MLK day parade.


Comment by livingonli on 01/22/2008 18:44:53
Quote by wickedpam:
Quote by livingonli:
Quote by wickedpam: Hey Liv - did your doctor's app go okay?


Not so good. Weight was up again Blood Sugar levels still suck.




sent you an email :hug:



Replied.

Comment by BobR on 01/22/2008 18:57:13
Quote by Raine: OMG... here it is... Mitt DOES say who let the dogs out,,, he calls a little girl a queen, and yes, he does say Bling bling.



What it and weep. Mitt from Yesterday's Jacksonville MLK day parade.





To be fair, I think the little girl was actually some kind of "junior queen" for the parade.



But other than that... wow.

Comment by Raine on 01/22/2008 18:58:08
you can see BobR at 3:0 in this video, btw!!! May I present to you,
The John Edwards Revolution!!!


Comment by wickedpam on 01/22/2008 19:04:53
Quote by livingonli:
Quote by wickedpam:
Quote by livingonli:
Quote by wickedpam: Hey Liv - did your doctor's app go okay?


Not so good. Weight was up again Blood Sugar levels still suck.




sent you an email :hug:



Replied.
\



ditto



Comment by wickedpam on 01/22/2008 19:11:35
Quote by Raine: you can see BobR at 3:0 in this video, btw!!! May I present to you,

The John Edwards Revolution!!!






I saw a familiar floppy hat too!



Who was the guy yelling "Hell YA!" at about 2:50. He was cracking me up!



Love the song who does it?



How great was it to see him live? I so badly what to do to a rally but I can't find a schedule for this area. Since we are after super tuesday we don't get much attention.



Comment by livingonli on 01/22/2008 19:23:53
Quote by wickedpam:
Quote by Raine: you can see BobR at 3:0 in this video, btw!!! May I present to you,

The John Edwards Revolution!!!






I saw a familiar floppy hat too!



Who was the guy yelling "Hell YA!" at about 2:50. He was cracking me up!



Love the song who does it?



How great was it to see him live? I so badly what to do to a rally but I can't find a schedule for this area. Since we are after super tuesday we don't get much attention.



I saw the hat too. The stars of the "ATL--It's not so hot but it will do" video get special cameos.



I should look for a New York appearance since Super Tuesday is just around the corner.

Comment by Raine on 01/22/2008 19:26:08
fred has dropped out of the race.

Comment by Raine on 01/22/2008 19:26:44
I guess he'll go home now... {fred_gump}

Comment by livingonli on 01/22/2008 19:28:39
It looks like the Fred Thompson campaign has finally run out of gas. He is quitting the race.

{Fred_Gump}

Comment by shelaghc on 01/22/2008 19:29:29
Okay - phone service is scheduled to go away a week from Friday so I have time to collect any message info I might need. It only took four phone calls and collectively between an hour and a half and two hours.



Time to go on errands and VOTE!

Comment by livingonli on 01/22/2008 19:31:03
Raine, did we just have a blog mind meld? :D

Comment by velveeta jones on 01/22/2008 19:32:31
WAHOO!



One pair of man-boobs........................down.





Comment by velveeta jones on 01/22/2008 19:39:07
Hey, BobR in the vid! Very cool.



Is anyone here a member of the Edwards' One Corps? I joined a group near me.

Comment by BobR on 01/22/2008 19:40:35
Quote by Raine: fred has dropped out of the race.


No shit??



Perhaps the rigors of the campaign trail interfered with his man-boobie-rubbing-against-trophy-wife-boobies... :puke:



Or maybe he realized he doesn't have anything to offer and decided to do everyone a favor and not be a distraction.



I wonder what Karl Rove is up to?...

Comment by BobR on 01/22/2008 19:41:44
Quote by velveeta jones: Hey, BobR in the vid! Very cool.



Is anyone here a member of the Edwards' One Corps? I joined a group near me.


Supah Stah! :Mary Katherine Gallagher:



Raine's a member - I am her +1

Comment by livingonli on 01/22/2008 19:42:24
Quote by velveeta jones: WAHOO!



One pair of man-boobs........................down.





Boy, that's some nasty saggage.

Comment by velveeta jones on 01/22/2008 19:49:26
Wow! Just saw the Mittster do the "who let the dogs out".............



Damn Mitt, keep doing that - black people just love that. Don't forget to wear a shirt that say's "Big Pimpin'" and when you shake hands be sure to utter: "What's up my Nigah"



SURE to get you many votes!





Comment by livingonli on 01/22/2008 19:53:30
John Edwards will be on Letterman tonight and Tyra Banks on Friday.



Tyra Banks, serious political commentator.

Comment by livingonli on 01/22/2008 19:57:25
Quote by velveeta jones: Wow! Just saw the Mittster do the "who let the dogs out".............



Damn Mitt, keep doing that - black people just love that. Don't forget to wear a shirt that say's "Big Pimpin'" and when you shake hands be sure to utter: "What's up my Nigah"



SURE to get you many votes!







Here's my homeboys Jay-Z and Fitty Cent keepin' it real by backing my campaign.

Comment by Raine on 01/22/2008 20:00:53
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y59/raine1967/BobR3.jpg




That is Bobber! HE is holding the sign right above Johns head.

Comment by livingonli on 01/22/2008 20:01:56
Time to toil off to the salt mine. :kickcan:



I think I have a Ranger game tonight.

Comment by wickedpam on 01/22/2008 20:08:29
Quote by livingonli: John Edwards will be on Letterman tonight and Tyra Banks on Friday.



Tyra Banks, serious political commentator.




Well when Oprah is shunning everyone else Tyra's next best thing I guess. I actually like Tyra better then Oprah



Comment by wickedpam on 01/22/2008 20:09:12
Quote by Raine:
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y59/raine1967/BobR3.jpg




That is Bobber! HE is holding the sign right above Johns head.




YOu know you can see you and your hate just before that right?



Comment by Raine on 01/22/2008 20:10:58
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y59/raine1967/a71a1507.jpg
And here is the floppy hat.

Comment by Raine on 01/22/2008 20:13:43
We are so watching letterman tonite.

Comment by Raine on 01/22/2008 20:23:27
OMG... McCain thinks Putin is the president of germany...
Hello, George? your fellow pea in the pod on line one.
Sadly Mcain-isms doesn't have quite the FLAIR of Bush-isms. HE needs more flair. *cough*

Comment by velveeta jones on 01/22/2008 20:29:30
That pooty-poo sure does get around, he's a busy man. Russia, Germany, perchance Canada?

Comment by livingonli on 01/22/2008 21:22:56
Damn, I forgot to set my DVR to record Letterman.

Comment by BobR on 01/22/2008 21:51:47
I just saw on the news in the breakroom: actor Heath Ledger found dead in his apartment!

Comment by wickedpam on 01/22/2008 21:54:03
Quote by BobR: I just saw on the news in the breakroom: actor Heath Ledger found dead in his apartment!






Just saw that on TMZ thought it was just one of those rumor things but its on all the "news" sites. Jeez! He was only like 28. WTF!

Comment by Raine on 01/22/2008 21:55:16
BobR just told me, and I see it in the MSNBC machine... HEath Ledger has died. :(

Comment by BobR on 01/22/2008 21:55:33
Quote by BobR: I just saw on the news in the breakroom: actor Heath Ledger found dead in his apartment!


No details yet, apparently: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/22788914/

Comment by Raine on 01/22/2008 21:57:39
28 years old. OMG. So f*cking sad.

Comment by Raine on 01/22/2008 22:01:25
He was nominated for Brokeback Mountain, right?

Comment by wickedpam on 01/22/2008 22:04:43
Comment by velveeta jones on 01/22/2008 22:04:57
Heath?

OMG!!! I'm heartbroken, he was such a cutie.



He just had a baby, iirc.

Comment by wickedpam on 01/22/2008 22:12:43
Quote by Raine: He was nominated for Brokeback Mountain, right?






Yeah he was an Oscar Nominee in 2006

Comment by BobR on 01/22/2008 22:19:16
Quote by wickedpam: Heath Ledger is dead from TMZ.


It's a little disgusting all the "First!" comments on that link...

Comment by wickedpam on 01/22/2008 22:30:28
Quote by BobR:
Quote by wickedpam: Heath Ledger is dead from TMZ.


It's a little disgusting all the "First!" comments on that link...




It is - the people who comment over there do it for every story no matter what. TMZ was just the first to report it that's why I used it.



Comment by wickedpam on 01/22/2008 22:32:31
Ya know what movie I loved him in "10 Things I HAte about You". First place I ever saw him and it was in a really cute movie.

Comment by velveeta jones on 01/22/2008 23:58:22
I think they finished the new Batman, where he played the Joker. I'm going to see if I know anyone who worked on it.



It is rumored that Heath thought he was "possessed" by that character.

Comment by livingonli on 01/23/2008 00:12:07
Tonight and Thursday, I have two Ranger home games against the Thrashers. It's a little odd to play two home games in a row against the same team.



Is there a lot of hype for the NHL All-Star game down in the ATL?

Comment by Raine on 01/23/2008 01:27:10
So, KO has seemed to confirm the romour I heard yesterday, Hillary has left South Carolina.

Comment by Raine on 01/23/2008 01:28:52
Quote by velveeta jones: I think they finished the new Batman, where he played the Joker. I'm going to see if I know anyone who worked on it.



It is rumored that Heath thought he was "possessed" by that character.


I had heard this as well. The batman movie was finished, HEath starred heavilly in the trailer.

Comment by Raine on 01/23/2008 01:39:39
Quote by livingonli: Tonight and Thursday, I have two Ranger home games against the Thrashers. It's a little odd to play two home games in a row against the same team.



Is there a lot of hype for the NHL All-Star game down in the ATL?


uhm... yeah???



Really? it's here this year? when?

Comment by Raine on 01/23/2008 01:40:51
Rach!



And yes KO is asking if Edwards is a genius!

Comment by Raine on 01/23/2008 02:02:27
TMZ's harry Levin just said that HEath had pnuemonia. The pills were found all around him, but I guess he was sick on top of it as well. :(

Comment by Raine on 01/23/2008 02:05:46
pffff............... I am disturbed lsitenign to Dan Abrams

Comment by livingonli on 01/23/2008 02:11:06
Quote by Raine:
Quote by livingonli: Tonight and Thursday, I have two Ranger home games against the Thrashers. It's a little odd to play two home games in a row against the same team.



Is there a lot of hype for the NHL All-Star game down in the ATL?


uhm... yeah???



Really? it's here this year? when?


Obviously they are making a big deal of it down in the ATL. Just like when the NBA did Vegas last year.



It is this weekend. Versus is televising the skills competition on Saturday and the All-Star Game on Sunday.

Comment by Mondobubba on 01/23/2008 02:12:07
RAINE! BOBBER! GO WATCH THE WIRE! NOW! I'LL WAIT!

Comment by Mondobubba on 01/23/2008 02:16:36
OMG, this guy on Secrets of the Dead looks like Bobber! I'm not kiddin! :thud:

Comment by Raine on 01/23/2008 02:18:54
Quote by Mondobubba: RAINE! BOBBER! GO WATCH THE WIRE! NOW! I'LL WAIT!


we will, jeepers... I love ya dude, but let us do it in our time!



please?

Comment by Raine on 01/23/2008 02:19:28
Quote by Mondobubba: OMG, this guy on Secrets of the Dead looks like Bobber! I'm not kiddin! :thud:


Where is this being shown?

Comment by Mondobubba on 01/23/2008 02:20:41
Quote by Raine:
Quote by Mondobubba: RAINE! BOBBER! GO WATCH THE WIRE! NOW! I'LL WAIT!


we will, jeepers... I love ya dude, but let us do it in our time!



please?






:poke:



I'm just fixated on the guy on Secrects O' The Dead who looks like Bobber right now.

Comment by Mondobubba on 01/23/2008 02:21:26
Quote by Raine:
Quote by Mondobubba: OMG, this guy on Secrets of the Dead looks like Bobber! I'm not kiddin! :thud:


Where is this being shown?




My PBS Mosheen

Comment by Raine on 01/23/2008 02:22:04
F*ck Dan abrams... he is giving NO time to edwards.

Comment by Mondobubba on 01/23/2008 02:25:38
Quote by Raine: F*ck Dan abrams... he is giving NO time to edwards.




I've never liked him

Comment by livingonli on 01/23/2008 02:26:56
Quote by Raine: F*ck Dan abrams... he is giving NO time to edwards.


The M$M feel that it is only between Hillary and Obama because they want those safe centrist candidates.



BTW, Rangers beat the Thrashers 4-0.

Comment by Ely on 01/23/2008 02:47:34
Quote by livingonli:

The M$M feel that it is only between Hillary and Obama because they want those safe centrist candidates.



BTW, Rangers beat the Thrashers 4-0.




Hello all..



I agree, and it sucks.



Comment by Raine on 01/23/2008 02:47:44
Quote by Mondobubba:
Quote by Raine:
Quote by Mondobubba: OMG, this guy on Secrets of the Dead looks like Bobber! I'm not kiddin! :thud:


Where is this being shown?




My PBS Mosheen


They are not showing it on our PBS... :(

Comment by livingonli on 01/23/2008 02:48:39
Welcome to the blog, Ely.

Comment by Raine on 01/23/2008 02:51:26
Quote by Ely:
Quote by livingonli:

The M$M feel that it is only between Hillary and Obama because they want those safe centrist candidates.



BTW, Rangers beat the Thrashers 4-0.




Hello all..



I agree, and it sucks.

::: rubbing my eyes::::



ELY???



My goodness! Welcome!



Comment by Raine on 01/23/2008 02:52:50
have I ever mentioned that South park is so innapropriate that I do not understand why I still love it? :rofl:

Comment by shelaghc on 01/23/2008 02:55:28
Hello



I'm waiting for a cab that'll take me to the car rental agency.



Tomorrow Jester, Sandi and I take off for the new apartment. This apartment is *really* not packed completely.



I'm hoping when my friends from Pittsburgh get here on Friday night, they'll help me finish the job. I'm at a burnout point on the whole thing.

Comment by livingonli on 01/23/2008 03:02:36
Good luck and have fun with the road trip, Shelagh.

Comment by Raine on 01/23/2008 03:03:47
You know, as I get ready to watch the wire.... , I want to say one more thing about last nites debate.. John edwards looked truly like a president.





He really did. Hillary and Obama just totally let me down...

Comment by Raine on 01/23/2008 03:05:57
Quote by shelaghc: Hello



I'm waiting for a cab that'll take me to the car rental agency.



Tomorrow Jester, Sandi and I take off for the new apartment. This apartment is *really* not packed completely.



I'm hoping when my friends from Pittsburgh get here on Friday night, they'll help me finish the job. I'm at a burnout point on the whole thing.
Shelagh, if we don't see you tomorrow, have a safe trip~! And we had better see you real soon!:hug:



Comment by velveeta jones on 01/23/2008 03:07:04
Quote by Ely:
Quote by livingonli:

The M$M feel that it is only between Hillary and Obama because they want those safe centrist candidates.



BTW, Rangers beat the Thrashers 4-0.




Hello all..



I agree, and it sucks.



ELY!!





Comment by Mondobubba on 01/23/2008 03:08:22
Quote by Raine:
Quote by Mondobubba:
Quote by Raine:
Quote by Mondobubba: OMG, this guy on Secrets of the Dead looks like Bobber! I'm not kiddin! :thud:


Where is this being shown?




My PBS Mosheen


They are not showing it on our PBS... :(




I was looking for a picture of the dude on the website for the show, but alas nuttin. You will have to take my word for it.

Comment by Mondobubba on 01/23/2008 03:09:13
Quote by Raine: You know, as I get ready to watch the wire.... , I want to say one more thing about last nites debate.. John edwards looked truly like a president.





He really did. Hillary and Obama just totally let me down...






Call me the second it is over!

Comment by velveeta jones on 01/23/2008 03:09:45
Yes, have a safe trip tomorrow, Shelagh.



I may not be around tomorrow...............I have a 12-step call. (for those that know what that is). *sigh* I'll be trying to help someone get back on track.



Comment by Mondobubba on 01/23/2008 03:13:35
#%*!)*&&&$$$%%% Friggin NPR website is broken. I can't listen to the Michael K "Omar Little" Williams interview. :cry:

Comment by starling310 on 01/23/2008 03:18:47
Quote by Mondobubba:
Quote by Raine: F*ck Dan abrams... he is giving NO time to edwards.




I've never liked him




I have been scarce the past couple of days, but I want to give a big AMEN to that! Never liked Dan Abrahams.

Comment by Mondobubba on 01/23/2008 03:21:08
Quote by starling310:
Quote by Mondobubba:
Quote by Raine: F*ck Dan abrams... he is giving NO time to edwards.




I've never liked him




I have been scarce the past couple of days, but I want to give a big AMEN to that! Never liked Dan Abrahams.




:star: Dahlink! Nice to see ya!

Comment by livingonli on 01/23/2008 03:21:36
Dan Abrams is not Keith Olbermann.



When is Rachel getting her own show?

Comment by Mondobubba on 01/23/2008 03:29:28
Watching "Parking Wars" on the A&E mosheen. This show is hoot. I love the way this guy who works for the PPA says, "There is the car I'm gonna tow." He said it with total conviction.

Comment by Raine on 01/23/2008 04:05:41
Fuckin Marlo... nuff said. I will speak no more of this.

Comment by Raine on 01/23/2008 04:10:40
omg... Watching the daily show... did you all know that YES... Dave Chappelle attended the debate yesterday?

Comment by Raine on 01/23/2008 04:12:21
Quote by velveeta jones: Yes, have a safe trip tomorrow, Shelagh.



I may not be around tomorrow...............I have a 12-step call. (for those that know what that is). *sigh* I'll be trying to help someone get back on track.



God speed VJ. those are rough. :hug: