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Author: TriSec    Date: 01/26/2008 14:13:15

Good Morning!

Well, by now I'm sure you've all noticed the new buttons at the bottom of each and every blog (Fark, Digg, Technorati, etc.) Well, there's yet another one I've been using for a while called "del.icio.us". It's more of a bookmarking site; you can tag a page and go back to your 'own' bookmark page and pick up all this stuff at any time. (Admin's tip: it's great for blogging. If something looks interesting, I'll tag it and go back and read it later.)

But there's also a terrific RSS reader out there called "Bloglines" (sorry for the wiki link; I couldn't figure out how to log out and then get back to the generic home page.) You can pick and choose what you want to see; set it up with just headlines, summaries, or the whole shebang. That too is a terrific tool...if you see something that you like, you can just click on the "subscribe" button and it will search the entire page you're browsing for a feed...

Anyway, I was cleaning my bloglines up recently, and getting rid of a few things I never had the chance to read, despite subscribing with all the best intentions. But I did add a new one, and it's one of the better services I've ever found. Check out Rational Review sometime....you might be surprised at what you find.


Which, at long last, leads me to today's entry. Earlier in the week, I happened across a blog called Law Enforcement Against Prohibition. It's run by law enforcement professionals, mostly those at the sharp end of the stick, and it's about some of the excesses and just plain ludicrous things they have seen 'on the job' while enforcing our misguided war on drugs.

And remember, many folks consider Libertarians to be the "Gun-loving, dope-shooting party", so I guess I won't be dispelling that stereotype today. The party platform is quite clear:


III.2 The War on Drugs

The Issue: The suffering that drug misuse has brought about is deplorable; however, drug prohibition causes more harm than drugs themselves. The so-called "War on Drugs" is in reality a war against the American people, our Constitution and the Bill of Rights. It is a grave threat to individual liberty, to domestic order and to peace in the world.

The Principle: Individuals should have the right to use drugs, whether for medical or recreational purposes, without fear of legal reprisals, but must be held legally responsible for the consequences of their actions only if they violate others’ rights.

Solutions: Social involvement by individuals is essential to address the problem of substance misuse and abuse. Popular education and assistance groups are a better approach than prohibition, and we support the activities of private organizations as the best way to move forward on the issue.

Transitional Action: Repeal all laws establishing criminal or civil penalties for the use of drugs. Repeal laws that infringe upon individual rights to be secure in our persons, homes, and property as protected by the Fourth Amendment. Stop the use of "anti-crime" measures such as profiling or civil asset forfeiture that reduce the standard of proof historically borne by government in prosecutions. Stop prosecuting accused non-violent drug offenders, and pardon those previously convicted.



Whether you agree or not, isn't the core principle there "live and let live"? Remember, I consider myself to be from the wing of the Libertarians that advocates tolerance, acceptance, and leaving people the hell alone. At the end of the day, as long as you do no harm to others, shouldn't you be able to do what you want to your own body in your own home?

Getting back to the LEAP blog....a lawman by the name of Rusty White seems to agree.
I just don't get it. We have people screaming and demanding personal responsibility with less government intrusion in our lives - excellent ideas. Yet these same people have no problem supporting a nanny government, stripping people of their individual freedoms and the chance to be responsible for their own actions. Why? Because they don't like the personal and private choices about how one should live their life, even if they are harming no one else. HELLO???

Wouldn’t we all be better off if we held people accountable for their own actions, and not the choices and fear of others? And why hold millions to be just as guilty as the ignorant few? We have millions of responsible operators of vehicles, yet we all know there are some ignorant ones. But we hold each person responsible for their own actions. Well, for the most part we used to, until this new nanny government alcohol prohibition. You would have thought we learned our lessons from the past failure.

We have those who want the nanny government to end abortions, many claiming faith as their right to do so. Yet they have no problem supporting a policy that steals a family’s gift from the Almighty after birth, simply for testing positive for a trace usage of His gift to all. Can anybody show where He accepts this, or gave His permission to do so for Him? How can anyone who claims He is almighty and all knowing turn around and claim He doesn’t have the right to give to those children? Is there any wonder why people are turning away from religion? Could it possibly be faith has been hijacked for self-serving, biased, bigoted and manipulated worldly agendas? Why did Jesus eat with sinners? Because he couldn't keep his food down around religious people! Like I have said many times before, I have never had a problem with the Almighty, but his fan club wrongfully acting in his name drives me nuts!

We have those who say, “Obey the laws. Whether you like them or agree with them, it's the law. If you don't like them, follow them until you can get them changed.” Yet when we have new laws passed that they don't agree with, these public servants refuse, saying it sends the wrong message. How is it you who are sworn to uphold all our laws get to choose which ones are good or bad, and we who fund you with our tax dollars are too stupid to do so as well? Or could it possibly be they can't understand a written message, a law sent to them? Enough is enough! Can you say two-faced? if you demand we follow the laws, then you do so as well. Practice what you preach!

Since when did truth and honesty become the wrong message? When did we as a people become such a bunch of sheeple and fear-mongers that truth, logic, common sense and the concept of laws for all no longer applies? I call BS.



So, we're a little disjointed today...but nevertheless we hope you'll drop in and give us your opinion!

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Comment by BobR on 01/26/2008 14:42:33
Hey Tri - I finally commented in your music post...

Comment by Raine on 01/26/2008 15:20:57
:cry: between Bob and Tri, I feel like such a slacker!

Comment by Raine on 01/26/2008 16:04:07
Phone banking again!!!!!!!





Comment by Raine on 01/26/2008 16:07:31




Dennis gives his speach... told you I would find it and post it as soon as I could.

Comment by livingonli on 01/26/2008 16:45:12
I think I'm the slacker. I only woke up 30 minutes ago.

Comment by Mondobubba on 01/26/2008 17:03:24
Laundry day... Livin, I got you beat. I woke up 15 minutes after you did. :wacko:

Comment by MMB on 01/26/2008 20:04:24
Great words Tri but there is a huge problem with hypocrites that think they have the right to do what they want with their bodies. They have friends and family members that shall we say invibe in different chemicals. But for some strange reason in my life I have found that people that are truly in need of some meds that really help things like chronic pain,anxiety and a few others that those who truly suffer are judged the harshest. A good example a ex husband that grew up in a home with a working family but when 6:00 pm rolled around it was bottoms up until passing out drunk. On weekends drink all day until Mon rolled around. His sister grew up and held a very good job in banking until her hangovers started messing up getting to work on time. Demoted in her 30s. His brother in law a great carpenter but had to have a beer by his side and take breaks daily for a little re-jointing. He lost his company in his 30s. Millions of people do choose their choice but most people that truly have a medical need for sometimes almost unbearable pain are treated much worse than anyone that uses anything because it's their right. I have always thought before you judge anyones usage walk a mile or so in their shoes and then tell me that any drug is wrong even under a Drs care unless its a good stiff drink or a nice herbal remedy. I agree we have a right to do unto ourselves in our privacy what we feel we need to but there sure is a double standard in this world. How many nurses that have been to rehab but still have the keys to the narc cabinet? A nurse that works in Hospice after Rehab that is in total control of strong narc. But the difference is they have a Dr that treats the horrible pain they suffer from and they would never take a patients meds leaving that person to suffer. It always seems like what the other person takes is wrong but we want the right to do waht we feel is right. That is where a big problem truly exist. Just my humble thoughts.

Comment by BobR on 01/26/2008 21:27:30
Quote by MMB: Great words Tri but there is a huge problem with hypocrites that think they have the right to do what they want with their bodies....




I feel like I have the right to do I want with my body. What's wrong with that?



Am I misreading you?



Comment by Raine on 01/26/2008 21:33:11
John in his hometown, seneca SC, with Ralph Stanley playing bluegrass





Comment by Raine on 01/26/2008 21:38:54
ANother youtube from the Atlanta John edwards rally....





Comment by livingonli on 01/26/2008 23:57:08
Anyone watching the MSNBC coverage right now? It's different without Tweety on.

Comment by m-hadley on 01/27/2008 00:32:52
Hello everybody.

I just tuned in to MSNBC coverage and am liking what Rep. McCaskill has to say.

I'm also confused by MMB's post, I've struggled with my own demons, but I have never ever knowingly handed control or responsibility over my body to anybody else, nor do I ever intend to...

Cheers,

MFaye

Comment by Raine on 01/27/2008 00:51:04
Raine in the house. SO I turn the machine on at 730, and I see with 0% in they project BArack, and since that time, I keep seeing johns numbers going up... he is withing 10 poointsd of hillary with 3%...





This is not over for second place, my friends...

Comment by Raine on 01/27/2008 00:52:03
Heya faye!



Hope you didn't disappear!





Comment by Raine on 01/27/2008 00:56:15
BTW, Faye, if I understand correctly, you are an Obama Supporter correct? if that is the caswe, the we the staff at four freedoms would like to do for you what we have done for all the members who have a candidate that they support for the democratic side.. we will put up an obama ad, we used to have biden, richardsons and dood, and as they left the campaign, we removed then... sadly....



Even more sadly, we will have to take down dennis' banner.



So if your choice of candidate is Obama, we will put one up here.



Sound ok?

Comment by livingonli on 01/27/2008 00:56:16
Hi Raine. How was your day?

Comment by Raine on 01/27/2008 00:57:02
Quote by livingonli: Anyone watching the MSNBC coverage right now? It's different without Tweety on.


IT is so relaxing, isn't it? KO and DAvid actually let each other speak....

Comment by Raine on 01/27/2008 00:57:53
EDWARDS TO 20%!!!!! Woo hoo! :party:

Comment by livingonli on 01/27/2008 00:58:55
Poor Dennis.

Comment by m-hadley on 01/27/2008 00:59:13
Heya Raine,

I was just finishing up a new post that I worked on off and on most of the afternoon. Check is out and let me know what you think:emailstosms.blogspot.com. I know I've gotta get Photoshop and quit messing around with PowerPoint, but that's what I've got to work with at the moment (I kinda enjoy a challenge =).

I've got my fingers crossed for Edwards...

Cheers,

MFaye

Comment by Raine on 01/27/2008 01:00:04
Quote by livingonli: Hi Raine. How was your day?


Very ralxing. I made phone calls.... trying to rally the troops, but after 5 pm, I was just getting everyone telling me that they already voted... THAT makes me happy, no matter who they voted for.



Looks like SC is having RECORD numbers. I heard earlier that one small precinct in 2004 had 80 people vote, by around 330 this after noon they had 280 people...



It's a great thing to have more than 2 people in this race.

Comment by Raine on 01/27/2008 01:01:12
Quote by livingonli: Poor Dennis.


:hug:

Comment by Raine on 01/27/2008 01:05:14
I must say that I am very happy for obama's RESOUNDING victory. This was a huge upset for hillary, I think.

Comment by Raine on 01/27/2008 01:05:57
17% of precincts in... I need a martini. (cause, you know, I really need a reason...:rofl: )

Comment by livingonli on 01/27/2008 01:07:51
Just checking my e-mail. Laura Flanders is doing a book signing event on Super Tuesday with Mark Crispin Miller. It's those things that make me wish I was working in the city and working days.

Comment by Raine on 01/27/2008 01:09:26
Quote by m-hadley: Heya Raine,

I was just finishing up a new post that I worked on off and on most of the afternoon. Check is out and let me know what you think:emailstosms.blogspot.com. I know I've gotta get Photoshop and quit messing around with PowerPoint, but that's what I've got to work with at the moment (I kinda enjoy a challenge =).

I've got my fingers crossed for Edwards...

Cheers,

MFaye


That is excellent Faye.



Our loyal tri sec wrote this:

Over on the MB.

Comment by livingonli on 01/27/2008 01:09:30
Quote by Raine: 17% of precincts in... I need a martini. (cause, you know, I really need a reason...:rofl: )


That's for sure. You can never go wrong with a Raintini. :lol:

Comment by Raine on 01/27/2008 01:10:06
Quote by livingonli: Just checking my e-mail. Laura Flanders is doing a book signing event on Super Tuesday with Mark Crispin Miller. It's those things that make me wish I was working in the city and working days.


Can you go into work late?

Comment by livingonli on 01/27/2008 01:11:29
Maybe it's going to be like that Onion article and Bill Clinton's going to announce he's running.

Comment by livingonli on 01/27/2008 01:13:02
Quote by Raine:
Quote by livingonli: Just checking my e-mail. Laura Flanders is doing a book signing event on Super Tuesday with Mark Crispin Miller. It's those things that make me wish I was working in the city and working days.


Can you go into work late?


It doesn't work that way. I go in at 4 and the event is on at 7 PM. Not to mention the City is in the other direction from my house than work is.

Comment by m-hadley on 01/27/2008 01:13:43
BTW, Faye, if I understand correctly, you are an Obama Supporter correct? if that is the caswe, the we the staff at four freedoms would like to do for you what we have done for all the members who have a candidate that they support for the democratic side.. we will put up an obama ad, we used to have biden, richardsons and dood, and as they left the campaign, we removed then... sadly....



Even more sadly, we will have to take down dennis' banner.



So if your choice of candidate is Obama, we will put one up here.



Sound ok?



Raine,

My blog officially endorsed BamaWardSon (Obama, Edwards, & Richardson), so I guess you could say that I still haven't made up my mind. I just know myself too well, and I know that as soon as I choose a candidate and then if that candidate doesn't become the nominee - I'd be crushed and would have a hard time getting behind the nominee 100%. And my primary concern is tha we get a Democrat in the White House, I'm definitely not as excited about Hillary as I am about John and Barack - nothing to do with her being a woman, more to do with my fear that she, more than any other Dem, can rally the right-wing base. And I know from where I speak - living in red Oklahoma with twice yearly visits to my home state of Indiana... Thanks for the offer, but I feel too new to insist on anything as far as this blog goes... Heeere's Big Dawg!!!

Comment by Raine on 01/27/2008 01:17:02
if anyone is watching Bill ... I ask again... WHO IS RUNNING FOR PRESIDENT????

Comment by livingonli on 01/27/2008 01:19:08
I still want Hillary to finish third.

Comment by Raine on 01/27/2008 01:22:01
Quote by m-hadley: BTW, Faye, if I understand correctly, you are an Obama Supporter correct? if that is the caswe, the we the staff at four freedoms would like to do for you what we have done for all the members who have a candidate that they support for the democratic side.. we will put up an obama ad, we used to have biden, richardsons and dood, and as they left the campaign, we removed then... sadly....



Even more sadly, we will have to take down dennis' banner.



So if your choice of candidate is Obama, we will put one up here.



Sound ok?



Raine,

My blog officially endorsed BamaWardSon (Obama, Edwards, & Richardson), so I guess you could say that I still haven't made up my mind. I just know myself too well, and I know that as soon as I choose a candidate and then if that candidate doesn't become the nominee - I'd be crushed and would have a hard time getting behind the nominee 100%. And my primary concern is tha we get a Democrat in the White House, I'm definitely not as excited about Hillary as I am about John and Barack - nothing to do with her being a woman, more to do with my fear that she, more than any other Dem, can rally the right-wing base. And I know from where I speak - living in red Oklahoma with twice yearly visits to my home state of Indiana... Thanks for the offer, but I feel too new to insist on anything as far as this blog goes... Heeere's Big Dawg!!!
people here don't insist... but family members are alsways encouraged to ask, and if we can, we deliver!!!



:peace:



I love BamaWardSon. That rocks!



I don't thik that anyone here is a hilalry supporter, at least not on this blog... I know TRi was for Bill... And for me Obama has always been my second choice.

Comment by Raine on 01/27/2008 01:23:48
Where in Oklahoma? BobR has family there!

Comment by m-hadley on 01/27/2008 01:30:48
I'm Faye from Tulsa, OK (according to Steph, anyway ) BTB, TriSec I really liked your post about the "rebate" that we are awaiting with baited breath... I moved to Tulsa on purpose for a job at the Univ of Tulsa.



Comment by Raine on 01/27/2008 01:31:09
slam! KO taking onmorning JOe! :rofl:

Comment by livingonli on 01/27/2008 01:31:22
Where is Rachel? I thought she was going to be on tonight.

Comment by Raine on 01/27/2008 01:33:24
Margaret carlson had an intersting point about what the clintons did in Nevada regarding the caucus' and now the fact that they are pulling in the delagats from Michingan... which, I personally think is disgusting.

Comment by Raine on 01/27/2008 01:34:17
I really cannot stand Joe and PAt... they annoy the hell out of me!

Comment by m-hadley on 01/27/2008 01:36:55
I wish Pat Buchanan would Shut the Ef up - when has he ever given a rat's ass about the Democrats?

Comment by livingonli on 01/27/2008 01:38:50
Quote by Raine: Margaret carlson had an intersting point about what the clintons did in Nevada regarding the caucus' and now the fact that they are pulling in the delagats from Michingan... which, I personally think is disgusting.


The Clintons are really acting like Republicans which makes me worry not only about the nomination process but what would happen if there is a Hillary Clinton administration.

Comment by Raine on 01/27/2008 01:39:24
Quote by m-hadley: I'm Faye from Tulsa, OK (according to Steph, anyway ) BTB, TriSec I really liked your post about the "rebate" that we are awaiting with baited breath... I moved to Tulsa on purpose for a job at the Univ of Tulsa.

I guess I should have known that... Sometimes I am a total eeeediot! :rofl:



Comment by Raine on 01/27/2008 01:41:10
BobR family is nearer to Ok City.



(does charlie crist's head shot on msnbc look like a friggin mug shot off of the smoking gun, or what?)

Comment by Raine on 01/27/2008 01:42:03
Quote by livingonli:
Quote by Raine: Margaret carlson had an intersting point about what the clintons did in Nevada regarding the caucus' and now the fact that they are pulling in the delagats from Michingan... which, I personally think is disgusting.


The Clintons are really acting like Republicans which makes me worry not only about the nomination process but what would happen if there is a Hillary Clinton administration.


me too. They are actually making the DLC look liberal....

Comment by Raine on 01/27/2008 01:43:25
Quote by m-hadley: I wish Pat Buchanan would Shut the Ef up - when has he ever given a rat's ass about the Democrats?


I know! it pisses me off badly when they put these BLATENTLY parisan hacks to comment on something that they HATE.



(altho I guess it could be worse, they could have F*cker Carlson commentating... :P)

Comment by Raine on 01/27/2008 01:44:22
How long have you been in Tulsa faye?

Comment by Raine on 01/27/2008 01:44:44
Nora odonnel has huge ass eyes.

Comment by m-hadley on 01/27/2008 01:45:26
Quote by Raine:
Quote by m-hadley: I'm Faye from Tulsa, OK (according to Steph, anyway ) BTB, TriSec I really liked your post about the "rebate" that we are awaiting with baited breath... I moved to Tulsa on purpose for a job at the Univ of Tulsa.

I guess I should have known that... Sometimes I am a total eeeediot! :rofl:



No worries, Raine,

How's that Rainetini going down? Me, I'm doing vitamin V (vodka) & cranberry juice with a squirt of lime (is that a capecodder or a seabreeze?).

Comment by livingonli on 01/27/2008 01:47:33
It was too hard for Tucker and Tweety to come in on a weekend. They need their beauty sleep.

Comment by BobR on 01/27/2008 01:48:39
Raine finally gave me a turn on the laptop...



(yes, I have my own PC, but that would mean getting my ass off the couch).



btw, Faye: I have some family in OK City...

Comment by BobR on 01/27/2008 01:49:39
Quote by m-hadley:

No worries, Raine,

How's that Rainetini going down? Me, I'm doing vitamin V (vodka) & cranberry juice with a squirt of lime (is that a capecodder or a seabreeze?).


I thought it was a Cosmo, but I could be wrong...

Comment by m-hadley on 01/27/2008 01:50:07
Quote by Raine: How long have you been in Tulsa faye?


Seven years in May, can't believe I've been here that long, but I do love my job. You're in Atlanta, correct?

Comment by livingonli on 01/27/2008 01:50:38
No, he won't be running mate because McCain is going to have Lieberweasel as running mate if he gets the nomination.

Comment by BobR on 01/27/2008 01:54:21
Quote by m-hadley:

Seven years in May, can't believe I've been here that long, but I do love my job. You're in Atlanta, correct?


Raine and I are known as "The Atlanta Contingent"...

Comment by TriSec on 01/27/2008 01:54:56
Evening folks.



Say, Faye...that combo would be a Cape Codder. And like everything else that's true and good about these United States, it was invented right here in this Commonwealth by the good folks at Ocean Spray! (Wisconsin cranberries, HA! :butt:)



: ducks incoming brick from Jacksonville :



An interesting day at the ol' tenant's association today. We had both our Ward Counselor and Her Excellency the Mayor in attendance today....and the mayor was suitably horrified by many of the tales we had to tell. Looks like people are starting to take notice of us! :party:





Comment by m-hadley on 01/27/2008 01:57:10
Quote by livingonli: No, he won't be running mate because McCain is going to have Lieberweasel as running mate if he gets the nomination.






I love Lieberweasel - it so fits him

Comment by BobR on 01/27/2008 02:01:25
Obama getting ready to speak...



What are they all going to do on Super Tuesday?

Comment by BobR on 01/27/2008 02:02:55
Edwards is 3rd in SC tonight, but Hillary is a lot closer to him than she is to Obama.

Comment by m-hadley on 01/27/2008 02:05:59
Quote by TriSec: Evening folks.



Say, Faye...that combo would be a Cape Codder. And like everything else that's true and good about these United States, it was invented right here in this Commonwealth by the good folks at Ocean Spray! (Wisconsin cranberries, HA! :butt:)



: ducks incoming brick from Jacksonville :



An interesting day at the ol' tenant's association today. We had both our Ward Counselor and Her Excellency the Mayor in attendance today....and the mayor was suitably horrified by many of the tales we had to tell. Looks like people are starting to take notice of us! :party:







So TriSec, Excuse my mental density, but are you from the Commonwealth of Massachusetts or the state of Wisconsin? Thanks for correctly id'ing my beverage ;)



Comment by BobR on 01/27/2008 02:07:21
Let's see if Obama reads his speech on the teleprompters again. I saw them there when they did the wide shot...

Comment by Raine on 01/27/2008 02:07:44
is it me or does Iowa seem like years ago?

Comment by BobR on 01/27/2008 02:08:01
yep - he keeps swivelling his head back and forth and focusing his eys in the same 2 spots...

Comment by TriSec on 01/27/2008 02:09:59
*puffs up chest*



Born and raised right here in New England!



Dial up "02452" in ye olde Google Earth....we're right across the river from Bentley College. (at the other end of town from the more well known Brandeis...)





Comment by Raine on 01/27/2008 02:10:11
I am happy for Obama, but sigh... I wish edwards were doing better! Am I allowed to have a pity party moment? I have always been realistic about this, but, hell....

Comment by Raine on 01/27/2008 02:11:24
Quote by TriSec: *puffs up chest*



Born and raised right here in New England!



Dial up "02452" in ye olde Google Earth....we're right across the river from Bentley College. (at the other end of town from the more well known Brandeis...)



:) I love your pride Tri...



I warms my heart!



Comment by Raine on 01/27/2008 02:12:56
Quote by m-hadley:
Quote by Raine:
Quote by m-hadley: I'm Faye from Tulsa, OK (according to Steph, anyway ) BTB, TriSec I really liked your post about the "rebate" that we are awaiting with baited breath... I moved to Tulsa on purpose for a job at the Univ of Tulsa.

I guess I should have known that... Sometimes I am a total eeeediot! :rofl:



No worries, Raine,

How's that Rainetini going down? Me, I'm doing vitamin V (vodka) & cranberry juice with a squirt of lime (is that a capecodder or a seabreeze?).


Vitamim V!



:martini:





Comment by BobR on 01/27/2008 02:12:59
Obama's been taking notes from Edward's speeches... :rolleyes2:

Comment by BobR on 01/27/2008 02:14:19
Quote by BobR: Hey Tri - I finally commented in your music post...


In case you missed it this morning...

Comment by Raine on 01/27/2008 02:14:23
Quote by BobR: Obama's been taking notes from Edward's speeches... :rolleyes2:


Truthfully, edwards has been driving the debate. Edwards was the forst to talk about the economy... HE has been talking about that right from the start...

Comment by Raine on 01/27/2008 02:15:10
Edwards is making a full blown play for republicans... This is really an amazing speech.

Comment by livingonli on 01/27/2008 02:15:29
Quote by Raine: I am happy for Obama, but sigh... I wish edwards were doing better! Am I allowed to have a pity party moment? I have always been realistic about this, but, hell....


The Long Island contingent has no problem with a pity party for Edwards. I wish he was doing better to. This should be a race on the issues where if you look at where people stand on the polls, Edwards would be doing much better and Kucinich would have been a viable candidate.

Comment by Raine on 01/27/2008 02:17:30
Obama better be ready to back his shite up. This is the thing... with edwards I know that he is not just paying lip service... I still don't know that about obama.







Comment by Raine on 01/27/2008 02:19:35
we are not going to get the health care we need with obama, that worries me. A LOT.

Comment by BobR on 01/27/2008 02:20:39
Sorry, Obama - this election IS about rich -vs- poor.

Comment by BobR on 01/27/2008 02:22:05
Quote by Raine:

Obama is making a full blown play for republicans... This is really an amazing speech.


Fixxity!!

Comment by livingonli on 01/27/2008 02:24:54
The Republicans will do anything it takes to win elections. That's why they can't be trusted.

Comment by Raine on 01/27/2008 02:26:32
OK, I will say this... if I had to vote based on music for the campaign... I may have to go with Obama.. I mean come on he uses STEVIE!!!!!!





ok... wait... I am hereign a funky country song, now... that is a real misconnect.

Comment by Raine on 01/27/2008 02:27:45
Quote by livingonli: The Republicans will do anything it takes to win elections. That's why they can't be trusted.


They flip and they flop...



PErsonally, I am hoping tha tMitt gets the nomination.

Comment by Raine on 01/27/2008 02:28:36
Do we have a link to the kennedy endorsement fromthe NYT?







Comment by Raine on 01/27/2008 02:29:13
LOL! Conservative republicans are contacting morning JOe? And they are saying that they like obama??? :foil:

Comment by Raine on 01/27/2008 02:31:27
This speech, I have to say was a great speech. He sounded like Arlo Guthrie at certain points, when he spoke of the palins of Iowa to the hills of New Hampshire... very goos stuff...



Anyone know who is writing his speeches?

Comment by Raine on 01/27/2008 02:32:26
Listen to the music... I am hearing *lifting me higher (your love is) *

Comment by BobR on 01/27/2008 02:33:20
My friend Stan just called... he said:



The Democratic contest is still a horserace because there's so many good candidates.

The Republican contest is still a horserace because there aren't ANY good candidates...



:lol: :P

Comment by Raine on 01/27/2008 02:33:44
JOHN!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Comment by m-hadley on 01/27/2008 02:35:03
Quote by Raine: Do we have a link to the kennedy endorsement fromthe NYT?







Here it is Raine Caroline Kennedy Endorses Obama

Comment by livingonli on 01/27/2008 02:37:00
Quote by BobR: My friend Stan just called... he said:



The Democratic contest is still a horserace because there's so many good candidates.

The Republican contest is still a horserace because there aren't ANY good candidates...



:lol: :P


That is so true. Although we have lost some of the good candidates.

Comment by Raine on 01/27/2008 02:37:25
John is the only person that has mentionedthe *forgotten middle class*...

Comment by Raine on 01/27/2008 02:38:19
Oh JOHN!!! You are lsitenign to my voice!!!!!!!!!!!!

Comment by livingonli on 01/27/2008 02:40:59
John's speech was short. And he uses Springsteen for his music.

Comment by m-hadley on 01/27/2008 02:42:42
Quote by livingonli: John's speech was short. And he uses Springsteen for his music.




I've always had a soft spot for Bruce Springsteen

Comment by Raine on 01/27/2008 02:42:45
If for nothing else... Edwards drives the debate...





Comment by Raine on 01/27/2008 02:44:06
HOW long is hillary going to speak??? did wejust hear that wrong? that its gonna be a 40 minute speech?

Comment by Raine on 01/27/2008 02:45:12
Quote by m-hadley:
Quote by livingonli: John's speech was short. And he uses Springsteen for his music.




I've always had a soft spot for Bruce Springsteen


I lovethat song... and quite a few others from bruce as well.





Comment by Raine on 01/27/2008 02:50:35
is it me or does that blond chick look like Ozzy?

Comment by Raine on 01/27/2008 02:51:54
February 5... I will start the phonebanking as soon as I can.





Comment by Raine on 01/27/2008 02:53:31
Hillary's flat A just went south...

Comment by BobR on 01/27/2008 02:54:15
Hillary says there's no place she'd rather be than Nashville, TN??



LIAR! :liar:

Comment by Raine on 01/27/2008 02:55:36
John rose 40% in the pols in 4 days, in SC.



And yes, I believe this is not over. SO many dennis supporters have decided to support edwards... now we need to mobilize them!



Comment by Raine on 01/27/2008 02:57:07
John is doing all of this with public campaigning. In the spirit if the mcCain Feingold bill..



Obama and hillary are not. This is really important for peole who believe in public funding for political campains.



Comment by Raine on 01/27/2008 02:58:02
Quote by BobR: Hillary says there's no place she'd rather be than Nashville, TN??



LIAR! :liar:


She ran away from SC a week ago...

Comment by Raine on 01/27/2008 02:59:59
I really do hope this goes to the convention. This is the best thing that could happen for not only the dems but for america. (and yes, the same for the republicans as well..)





YES!!! this is a Horse race!!!!

Comment by livingonli on 01/27/2008 03:02:14
I'll be voting for Edwards on February 5th.



Do they only have Joe by himself now? I may have to start channel surfing.

Comment by Raine on 01/27/2008 03:03:18
I just did emoticon theatre in our household when Joe scarbourough came on the TV machine... it was a classic performance...

Comment by Raine on 01/27/2008 03:04:36
ef you pat. just becuae the Clintons do not think this matters, doesn;t mean it doesn't... and if they are rying to do this, makes them a lot like the republicans.



And yes, I am saying that about the clintons.

Comment by BobR on 01/27/2008 03:05:40
Hey Joe - every election since blacks got the vote has been decided by black AND white voters.



Christ. :rolleyes2:

Comment by BobR on 01/27/2008 03:07:32
It's the Runaway Bride on MSNBC!



:rofl:

Comment by livingonli on 01/27/2008 03:08:56
Quote by Raine: I just did emoticon theatre in our household when Joe scarbourough came on the TV machine... it was a classic performance...


Where's a camcorder when you need one? Oh, we have to start working on getting that DC meet-up in order. Especially if I need to submit a vacation request to get the time off.

Comment by Raine on 01/27/2008 03:12:18
Quote by BobR: It's the Runaway Bride on MSNBC!



:rofl:
Runaway bride... before and after the stylist did his work...





http://msnbcmedia3.msn.com/j/msnbc/Components/Photos/050505/050505_blamingMinorities_vmed_4p.widec.jpg


And after...



http://www.prsadetroit.org/StateConf/images/speakers/NorahODonnell.jpg


Comment by livingonli on 01/27/2008 03:29:41
Quote by Raine:
Quote by BobR: It's the Runaway Bride on MSNBC!



:rofl:
Runaway bride... before and after the stylist did his work...





http://msnbcmedia3.msn.com/j/msnbc/Components/Photos/050505/050505_blamingMinorities_vmed_4p.widec.jpg


And after...



http://www.prsadetroit.org/StateConf/images/speakers/NorahODonnell.jpg


:sprint:

Comment by Raine on 01/27/2008 03:30:05
Quote by livingonli:
Quote by BobR: My friend Stan just called... he said:



The Democratic contest is still a horserace because there's so many good candidates.

The Republican contest is still a horserace because there aren't ANY good candidates...



:lol: :P


That is so true. Although we have lost some of the good candidates.


And the republicans have lost the worst of thier candidates...

Comment by Raine on 01/27/2008 03:40:59
Pat's take on this speech is retardorific.



Seriously.



It is like saying that when I hear Bush speak I hear him talk about peace and doves and love and goodness..



I could say that, but that would make me sound like a freeper defending Bush's war.

Comment by Raine on 01/27/2008 03:58:39
alrighty.. I am out... when a RWT like pat buchanan accuses Joe of drinking koolaind becuase he (joe) thinks Obama is a real contender... I gotta head out.



I give Joe props for giving credit where it is due, Pat on the other hand is just a fucking stupid old white racist man.



YEs I said it.



He would LOVE To have Hillary get the nomination so he can show the world was a mysoginist he really is.



ALL PAT WANTS is a white republican to win.



Goodnite. I will eventually be filling in for our beloved MS Jones in the AM... Or early PM. I am sleeping late... it is sunday, and sleep makes me more spiritual...



:peace:, :hugs: and :heart:

Raine

Comment by livingonli on 01/27/2008 04:01:05
Quote by Raine:
Quote by livingonli:
Quote by BobR: My friend Stan just called... he said:



The Democratic contest is still a horserace because there's so many good candidates.

The Republican contest is still a horserace because there aren't ANY good candidates...



:lol: :P


That is so true. Although we have lost some of the good candidates.


And the republicans have lost the worst of thier candidates...


They still have Huckabee and Ghouilani (although Ghouilani shouldn't be around much longer).



Comment by livingonli on 01/27/2008 04:02:33
Sweet Dreams, Raine.