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Wisconsin Coup d'etat - Is your state next?
Author: Raine
Date: 03/10/2011 13:40:51
I had prepared for quite a different blog today. Last evenings events changed all of that. Here is what happened: And here is the statement from Governor Walker: "The Senate Democrats have had three weeks to debate this bill and were offered repeated opportunities to come home, which they refused. In order to move the state forward, I applaud the Legislature's action today to stand up to the status quo and take a step in the right direction to balance the budget and reform government. The action today will help ensure Wisconsin has a business climate that allows the private sector to create 250,000 new jobs."
This is all very real and very dangerous to a democracy such as ours. The Wisconsin GOP, led by Walker have stopped pretending this is a budget crisis. They have admitted that this was always about busting the Unions. Yesterday, in an interview on FOX News, State Senate Majority Leader Scott Fitzgerald (R-WI) confirmed it: This never was about repairing a budget, it was all about granting more power to corporations, and stripping power from the working class. It was about taking rights AWAY from people. I am of heavy heart today.
I don't know what to say anymore. This will not end until people get up and pay attention. What will it take? I no longer want to hear the calls for someone like Sarah Palin to run because as some segments on the left say "It will be so easy to defeat her" -- last year people said that about almost every damn teabagging candidate, including Scott Walker.
Well it wasn't easy to defeat them. Not with the likes of the Koch Brothers, Dick Armey, Freedom Works and the US Chamber of Commerce - just to name a few - providing massive campaign financing. It wasn't easy to defeat them with the heinous Citizens United ruling. It certainly wasn't easy when the calls from some progressives to not vote were heeded. We lost the independent vote to apathy. On top of that, we have people like James O'Keefe and Andrew Breitbart. They - along with Fox News - are fully into the propaganda game. There is plenty blame to go around. Remember that phrase, 'Watch what you wish for, you might get it'; well - it's a nice way to say I told you so.
The real question is: will people finally wake up? I pray it isn't too late for this nation. I pray because between Wisonsin, Michigan, Florida, Ohio, Virginia, Idaho and many other states, the Tea Party/GOPorations have taken a serious foothold on state and local levels. What happened last night in Wisconsin was about as close to a coup d'etat as I have seen in my life, in THIS nation. I do not say that lightly.
I have taken special care to not be overly hyperbolic on this blog. I do not prescribe to NWO conspiracies, I try to not throw around words like "Nazi" and "Fascism" here. It's too easy to use those words, which ultimately only takes away the power they have. Not everything is completely fascist. It's easy to pick and choose something unpleasing and attach the word to it to fit a narrative. This is why I don't like to over use the term. Today, it is time to review the those points. There are serious elements of fascism with regard to Wisconsin and other states. ELEMENTS -- not totality.
What happened yesterday was NOTHING of what a representative government is supposed to look like. In a democracy, there is something called 'consent of the governed', there are laws and traditions in place that should never be disregarded. Yesterday, they weren't just disregarded, they were shredded apart. They may have won the elections, but they are choosing not to govern. Instead they have scapegoated teachers for their cause -- which is to protect and expand corporate power. They have shown a disdain for the labor movement. They are defunding the art and humanities. They are dismantling the middle-class, state by state. Unions are just one target. Women and minorities are among the others. Also among their targets: the Right to Vote: It's not just New Hampshire. Wisconsin and South Carolina are going after the right to vote as well.
People NEED to vote, people need to be informed. Wisconsin and Ohio have already been taken -- unless you get active, your state may very well be next. The people of Wisconsin - a state rich in history of worker's right's - never thought it could happen to them, and yet it did. Apathy is a dangerous thing.
I cannot stress it enough: this stuff matters. It matters like life and death.
and 
Capping a dramatic turn of events, the Wisconsin state Senate on Wednesday night passed a new, stripped-down "budget repair bill" -- which now excludes all the fiscal elements of the original budget repair bill, and simply includes the original's provisions to roll back the collective bargaining and organizational rights of Wisconsin's public employee unions.
This is all very real and very dangerous to a democracy such as ours. The Wisconsin GOP, led by Walker have stopped pretending this is a budget crisis. They have admitted that this was always about busting the Unions. Yesterday, in an interview on FOX News, State Senate Majority Leader Scott Fitzgerald (R-WI) confirmed it:
FITZGERALD: Well if they flip the state senate, which is obviously their goal with eight recalls going on right now, they can take control of the labor unions. If we win this battle, and the money is not there under the auspices of the unions, certainly what you’re going to find is President Obama is going to have a much difficult, much more difficult time getting elected and winning the state of Wisconsin.
I don't know what to say anymore. This will not end until people get up and pay attention. What will it take? I no longer want to hear the calls for someone like Sarah Palin to run because as some segments on the left say "It will be so easy to defeat her" -- last year people said that about almost every damn teabagging candidate, including Scott Walker.
Well it wasn't easy to defeat them. Not with the likes of the Koch Brothers, Dick Armey, Freedom Works and the US Chamber of Commerce - just to name a few - providing massive campaign financing. It wasn't easy to defeat them with the heinous Citizens United ruling. It certainly wasn't easy when the calls from some progressives to not vote were heeded. We lost the independent vote to apathy. On top of that, we have people like James O'Keefe and Andrew Breitbart. They - along with Fox News - are fully into the propaganda game. There is plenty blame to go around. Remember that phrase, 'Watch what you wish for, you might get it'; well - it's a nice way to say I told you so.
The real question is: will people finally wake up? I pray it isn't too late for this nation. I pray because between Wisonsin, Michigan, Florida, Ohio, Virginia, Idaho and many other states, the Tea Party/GOPorations have taken a serious foothold on state and local levels. What happened last night in Wisconsin was about as close to a coup d'etat as I have seen in my life, in THIS nation. I do not say that lightly.
I have taken special care to not be overly hyperbolic on this blog. I do not prescribe to NWO conspiracies, I try to not throw around words like "Nazi" and "Fascism" here. It's too easy to use those words, which ultimately only takes away the power they have. Not everything is completely fascist. It's easy to pick and choose something unpleasing and attach the word to it to fit a narrative. This is why I don't like to over use the term. Today, it is time to review the those points. There are serious elements of fascism with regard to Wisconsin and other states. ELEMENTS -- not totality.
What happened yesterday was NOTHING of what a representative government is supposed to look like. In a democracy, there is something called 'consent of the governed', there are laws and traditions in place that should never be disregarded. Yesterday, they weren't just disregarded, they were shredded apart. They may have won the elections, but they are choosing not to govern. Instead they have scapegoated teachers for their cause -- which is to protect and expand corporate power. They have shown a disdain for the labor movement. They are defunding the art and humanities. They are dismantling the middle-class, state by state. Unions are just one target. Women and minorities are among the others. Also among their targets: the Right to Vote:
New Hampshire's new Republican state House speaker is pretty clear about what he thinks of college kids and how they vote. They're "foolish," Speaker William O'Brien said in a recent speech to a tea party group.
People NEED to vote, people need to be informed. Wisconsin and Ohio have already been taken -- unless you get active, your state may very well be next. The people of Wisconsin - a state rich in history of worker's right's - never thought it could happen to them, and yet it did. Apathy is a dangerous thing.
I cannot stress it enough: this stuff matters. It matters like life and death.
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Comment by 
wickedpam on 03/10/2011 14:00:15
wickedpam on 03/10/2011 14:00:15
Morning 
I'm still just floored by the events of last night. And watch Rachel, I didn't even know there were new laws against unions coming up in VA - we are a "right to work" state and while I know there a few unions in our grocery chains (Giant has one and I think the grocery store butchers have one) why would would they waste the time and money when the damage to unions in this state was done years ago.
I really did used to think maybe it was time the not have unions - that maybe they had out lived their usefulness. A thought I suspect would have made both of my grandfather blow a gasket (one was part of Chrysler the other worked for the AFL-CIO in the very early days). I know no I was very, very wrong. The disgusting act by cowards just goes to show us that the American worker still needs someone to work for and protect their interests.
I'm still just floored by the events of last night. And watch Rachel, I didn't even know there were new laws against unions coming up in VA - we are a "right to work" state and while I know there a few unions in our grocery chains (Giant has one and I think the grocery store butchers have one) why would would they waste the time and money when the damage to unions in this state was done years ago.
I really did used to think maybe it was time the not have unions - that maybe they had out lived their usefulness. A thought I suspect would have made both of my grandfather blow a gasket (one was part of Chrysler the other worked for the AFL-CIO in the very early days). I know no I was very, very wrong. The disgusting act by cowards just goes to show us that the American worker still needs someone to work for and protect their interests.
Comment by 
Raine on 03/10/2011 14:08:35
Friend said the following on my FB page last night:
and I replied and have not been able to shake this thought since last night:
With regard to Unions, Remember what Bob wrote a little while back:
Raine on 03/10/2011 14:08:35
Quote by wickedpam:
Morning
I'm still just floored by the events of last night. And watch Rachel, I didn't even know there were new laws against unions coming up in VA - we are a "right to work" state and while I know there a few unions in our grocery chains (Giant has one and I think the grocery store butchers have one) why would would they waste the time and money when the damage to unions in this state was done years ago.
I really did used to think maybe it was time the not have unions - that maybe they had out lived their usefulness. A thought I suspect would have made both of my grandfather blow a gasket (one was part of Chrysler the other worked for the AFL-CIO in the very early days). I know no I was very, very wrong. The disgusting act by cowards just goes to show us that the American worker still needs someone to work for and protect their interests.
I am blown away it is happening. If this were happening in France and other European countries, people would be out in the streets getting their freak out on. We're too dissected and anemic.
We are also a much larger country, geographically. That is why media is so important. The media is failing this nation.
With regard to Unions, Remember what Bob wrote a little while back:
There was once a time in our nation where people worked 6 days a week for long hours in dangerous conditions. People spent their paychecks at company stores and for company housing, never getting ahead, as their paycheck went right back to their employer. Children toiled in factories, their childhoods robbed by business owners. Employees were replaceable meat engines driving the machinery of commerce.
Unions changed all that. Because of unions, we have 40 hour work weeks, safety regulations, and children in schools instead of factories. A lot of the "perks" that middle class America takes for granted are the result of people organizing and demanding to be treated better.
Comment by Raine on 03/10/2011 14:17:45
Raine on 03/10/2011 14:17:45
I'm just so upset.
Comment by Raine on 03/10/2011 14:26:35
Raine on 03/10/2011 14:26:35
Oh and along with Sarah Palin?
You can add Newt to the list too.
You can add Newt to the list too.
Comment by wickedpam on 03/10/2011 14:30:42
wickedpam on 03/10/2011 14:30:42
my sense of fairness and justice has been offended by these people from my dumb little hoa to Wisconsin to Congress and beyond. I just feel absolutly powerless anymore
Comment by Raine on 03/10/2011 14:36:12
You are not. You are, in all honesty, one of the people I thought about as I wrote today's blog, Mala. Without people like you, and TriSec -- we are done as a Nation.
I feel like I need to be doing more. I write, I speak, I protest, I email, I call -- and that is all well and good -- but I think I need to do more. YOU are there in the trenches.
That makes all the difference in the world. That is not just smoke, that is truth.
Raine on 03/10/2011 14:36:12
Quote by wickedpam:
my sense of fairness and justice has been offended by these people from my dumb little hoa to Wisconsin to Congress and beyond. I just feel absolutly powerless anymore
I feel like I need to be doing more. I write, I speak, I protest, I email, I call -- and that is all well and good -- but I think I need to do more. YOU are there in the trenches.
That makes all the difference in the world. That is not just smoke, that is truth.
Comment by Raine on 03/10/2011 14:39:50
Raine on 03/10/2011 14:39:50
BTW, WRT to Virginia, this is why I put it in the blog.
Read the whole thing.
Our Governor is gunning for state workers. When he wanted to privatize ABC -- it wasn't about money for roads. It was about pensions and state workers. Of this i have no doubt, in light of what is happening in Wisconsin.
McDonnell and his fellow GOP governors campaigned for Walker in the closing days of the 2010 election.
McDonnell spokesman Tucker Martin said the governor disagrees with those who sent the letter. "The future well-being of American workers and families depends on our ability to boldly reduce government spending and reform our pension and entitlement programs today,'' he said. "This will require everyone doing their part, so everyone can benefit in the years ahead. Virginians know this and support these reforms. Governor McDonnell is leading this effort in Virginia, and Governor Walker is doing the same in Wisconsin. It's what voters made clear at the polls last November that they wanted to see occur at all levels of government. It is the right and responsible thing to do."
Our Governor is gunning for state workers. When he wanted to privatize ABC -- it wasn't about money for roads. It was about pensions and state workers. Of this i have no doubt, in light of what is happening in Wisconsin.
Comment by wickedpam on 03/10/2011 14:41:25
awww thanks
And see know I watch you and Bob and think I wish I could be doing more to make my voice heard
Okay we all need a giant
wickedpam on 03/10/2011 14:41:25
Quote by Raine:You are not. You are, in all honesty, one of the people I thought about as I wrote today's blog, Mala. Without people like you, and TriSec -- we are done as a Nation.Quote by wickedpam:
my sense of fairness and justice has been offended by these people from my dumb little hoa to Wisconsin to Congress and beyond. I just feel absolutly powerless anymore
I feel like I need to be doing more. I write, I speak, I protest, I email, I call -- and that is all well and good -- but I think I need to do more. YOU are there in the trenches.
That makes all the difference in the world. That is not just smoke, that is truth.
awww thanks
And see know I watch you and Bob and think I wish I could be doing more to make my voice heard
Okay we all need a giant
Comment by Raine on 03/10/2011 14:43:28
Raine on 03/10/2011 14:43:28
SHIT SHIT SHIT
@ACLUMadison: It's official. Police unloading crowd control gear at Wisconsin St entrance. Pic. #wiunion http://twitpic.com/4857y5
Comment by wickedpam on 03/10/2011 14:48:03
Ya know I didn't realize the state workers here were union - good to know.
I didn't get why they would sell off the ABC stores anyway, they bring in a ton of money to the state. And while we don't deal with the stores the WSWA looked to take on this issue - we had pamphlets around the office about why this wouldn't be beneifical to state and who the small guy hoping to own a adult beverage store on their own would be cut out because of large corporations
then it came out that the gov fudged the numbers
wickedpam on 03/10/2011 14:48:03
Quote by Raine:
BTW, WRT to Virginia, this is why I put it in the blog.Read the whole thing.McDonnell and his fellow GOP governors campaigned for Walker in the closing days of the 2010 election.
McDonnell spokesman Tucker Martin said the governor disagrees with those who sent the letter. "The future well-being of American workers and families depends on our ability to boldly reduce government spending and reform our pension and entitlement programs today,'' he said. "This will require everyone doing their part, so everyone can benefit in the years ahead. Virginians know this and support these reforms. Governor McDonnell is leading this effort in Virginia, and Governor Walker is doing the same in Wisconsin. It's what voters made clear at the polls last November that they wanted to see occur at all levels of government. It is the right and responsible thing to do."
Our Governor is gunning for state workers. When he wanted to privatize ABC -- it wasn't about money for roads. It was about pensions and state workers. Of this i have no doubt, in light of what is happening in Wisconsin.
Ya know I didn't realize the state workers here were union - good to know.
I didn't get why they would sell off the ABC stores anyway, they bring in a ton of money to the state. And while we don't deal with the stores the WSWA looked to take on this issue - we had pamphlets around the office about why this wouldn't be beneifical to state and who the small guy hoping to own a adult beverage store on their own would be cut out because of large corporations
then it came out that the gov fudged the numbers
Comment by Mondobubba on 03/10/2011 14:48:23
Mondobubba on 03/10/2011 14:48:23
On a lighter note, ten words you need to stop misspelling. Not aimed at any one here.
Oh yeah the whole apostrophe thing, You know how much I hate it when people use the apostrophe to pluralize a word.
I am going to go die now. I have had the same cold for two weeks now. Combined with the intermittent insomnia, it has been been real hard to shake.
Oh yeah the whole apostrophe thing, You know how much I hate it when people use the apostrophe to pluralize a word.
I am going to go die now. I have had the same cold for two weeks now. Combined with the intermittent insomnia, it has been been real hard to shake.
Comment by wickedpam on 03/10/2011 14:49:16
If the police are really mad about this too, and I know they have a duty to uphold the law, but for this so long as its peaceful and non violent can't they look the other way?
wickedpam on 03/10/2011 14:49:16
Quote by Raine:
SHIT SHIT SHIT@ACLUMadison: It's official. Police unloading crowd control gear at Wisconsin St entrance. Pic. #wiunion http://twitpic.com/4857y5
If the police are really mad about this too, and I know they have a duty to uphold the law, but for this so long as its peaceful and non violent can't they look the other way?
Comment by wickedpam on 03/10/2011 14:53:16
to your misspelling thing, I've embraced my bad spelling just makes re-reading more fun
I hope you feel better though
wickedpam on 03/10/2011 14:53:16
Quote by Mondobubba:
On a lighter note, ten words you need to stop misspelling. Not aimed at any one here.
Oh yeah the whole apostrophe thing, You know how much I hate it when people use the apostrophe to pluralize a word.
I am going to go die now. I have had the same cold for two weeks now. Combined with the intermittent insomnia, it has been been real hard to shake.
to your misspelling thing, I've embraced my bad spelling just makes re-reading more funI hope you feel better though
Comment by 
velveeta jones on 03/10/2011 15:06:18
velveeta jones on 03/10/2011 15:06:18
Wearing red today in support of Wisconsin. And I do not look good in red.
Comment by Raine on 03/10/2011 15:09:14
Raine on 03/10/2011 15:09:14
Caller calling for a boycott of Wisconsin? NO that hurts the people of wisconsin. This is not a time to boycott.
Boycott the Koch Brothers.
Boycott the Koch Brothers.
Comment by 
Scoopster on 03/10/2011 15:11:31
Scoopster on 03/10/2011 15:11:31
We don't need a boycott of Wisconsin.. we need a general strike IN Wisconsin.
Comment by 
TriSec on 03/10/2011 15:13:38
TriSec on 03/10/2011 15:13:38
Morning, comrades. (not said tongue-in-cheek anymore.)
Coup. That's a good analogy.
I just wish I was at a job where I could be union....my brother is, my father is, and my grandpa was buried with his union pin on his lapel. This stuff is too important.
And to that end, I was on a con-call last night with the local party apparatus..I'm trying to line up some significant support this time around for my run. I also have relatives that were teachers, and are still connected to their respective unions. This could be big this year....I'll be working on some position papers in the next couple of weeks.
Coup. That's a good analogy.
I just wish I was at a job where I could be union....my brother is, my father is, and my grandpa was buried with his union pin on his lapel. This stuff is too important.
And to that end, I was on a con-call last night with the local party apparatus..I'm trying to line up some significant support this time around for my run. I also have relatives that were teachers, and are still connected to their respective unions. This could be big this year....I'll be working on some position papers in the next couple of weeks.
Comment by wickedpam on 03/10/2011 15:16:04
do they own anything beside Georgia Pacific? Its so hard to boycott things anymore when stuff is so entwined into many corporations
wickedpam on 03/10/2011 15:16:04
Quote by Raine:
Caller calling for a boycott of Wisconsin? NO that hurts the people of wisconsin. This is not a time to boycott.
Boycott the Koch Brothers.
do they own anything beside Georgia Pacific? Its so hard to boycott things anymore when stuff is so entwined into many corporations
Comment by wickedpam on 03/10/2011 15:17:20
That would not make those striking look good. No they need to stay on the job and still fight
wickedpam on 03/10/2011 15:17:20
Quote by Scoopster:
We don't need a boycott of Wisconsin.. we need a general strike IN Wisconsin.
That would not make those striking look good. No they need to stay on the job and still fight
Comment by wickedpam on 03/10/2011 15:18:54
use social media too - that helps to reach out to people, I know very few people who aren't on the book of faces
wickedpam on 03/10/2011 15:18:54
Quote by TriSec:
Morning, comrades. (not said tongue-in-cheek anymore.)
Coup. That's a good analogy.
I just wish I was at a job where I could be union....my brother is, my father is, and my grandpa was buried with his union pin on his lapel. This stuff is too important.
And to that end, I was on a con-call last night with the local party apparatus..I'm trying to line up some significant support this time around for my run. I also have relatives that were teachers, and are still connected to their respective unions. This could be big this year....I'll be working on some position papers in the next couple of weeks.
use social media too - that helps to reach out to people, I know very few people who aren't on the book of faces
Comment by Raine on 03/10/2011 15:20:28
I'm still trying to find out which law enforcement department this is.
Don't forget, Walker did threaten to use the National Guard. If he can't call them, I am more than sure he will find someone sympathetic to him.
Raine on 03/10/2011 15:20:28
Quote by wickedpam:Quote by Raine:
SHIT SHIT SHIT@ACLUMadison: It's official. Police unloading crowd control gear at Wisconsin St entrance. Pic. #wiunion http://twitpic.com/4857y5
If the police are really mad about this too, and I know they have a duty to uphold the law, but for this so long as its peaceful and non violent can't they look the other way?
Don't forget, Walker did threaten to use the National Guard. If he can't call them, I am more than sure he will find someone sympathetic to him.
Comment by TriSec on 03/10/2011 15:22:02
TriSec on 03/10/2011 15:22:02
Oh, no.
I just heard the audio on TRMS. That's a damn coup alright. Wisconsonites should take up arms. There's nothing else to do here.
And as calm and detached as that sounds....this is what I was afraid would happen if we had a President McCain.
You're wrong, Raine. Fascism is the correct term here.
I just heard the audio on TRMS. That's a damn coup alright. Wisconsonites should take up arms. There's nothing else to do here.
And as calm and detached as that sounds....this is what I was afraid would happen if we had a President McCain.
You're wrong, Raine. Fascism is the correct term here.
Comment by TriSec on 03/10/2011 15:23:46
I disagree; shutting down the entire damn state would be the best thing to do now. And I mean everything. This is what annoys me about the vast unwashed heathens out there...France, Greece, Spain, anywhere else in the world calls a general strike at the drop of a hat.
We've got a union-busting overthrow of Wisconsin state government, and we'll end up shrugging and sending in the lawyers. May as well give up now.
TriSec on 03/10/2011 15:23:46
Quote by wickedpam:
That would not make those striking look good. No they need to stay on the job and still fight
I disagree; shutting down the entire damn state would be the best thing to do now. And I mean everything. This is what annoys me about the vast unwashed heathens out there...France, Greece, Spain, anywhere else in the world calls a general strike at the drop of a hat.
We've got a union-busting overthrow of Wisconsin state government, and we'll end up shrugging and sending in the lawyers. May as well give up now.
Comment by Raine on 03/10/2011 15:23:47
This is a start.
I've read that they allow some stores like Office Depot to repackage their paper products, I know there was a good Kos Diary around here regarding that.
Maybe Scoop could help find it.
Raine on 03/10/2011 15:23:47
Quote by wickedpam:Quote by Raine:
Caller calling for a boycott of Wisconsin? NO that hurts the people of wisconsin. This is not a time to boycott.
Boycott the Koch Brothers.
do they own anything beside Georgia Pacific? Its so hard to boycott things anymore when stuff is so entwined into many corporations
This is a start.
I've read that they allow some stores like Office Depot to repackage their paper products, I know there was a good Kos Diary around here regarding that.
Maybe Scoop could help find it.
Comment by Raine on 03/10/2011 15:35:33
I'm not so sure anymore. After what they pulled last night, I'm more inclined for a general statewide strike. What they have done is so radical, that perhaps it ought to be met with a peaceful, but equally radical response.
And I LOVE this.
Raine on 03/10/2011 15:35:33
Quote by wickedpam:Quote by Scoopster:
We don't need a boycott of Wisconsin.. we need a general strike IN Wisconsin.
That would not make those striking look good. No they need to stay on the job and still fight
And I LOVE this.
Comment by Raine on 03/10/2011 15:40:03
You see, this giving up crap pisses me off, Tri.
I didn't write an entire blog so everyone could say we should just give up.
I also mentioned something earlier in the blog regarding a general Strike -- We are FAR bigger geographically than France and Greece.That is why media is so important. The media is failing this nation.
A statewide Strike however -- That would be very viable.
Raine on 03/10/2011 15:40:03
Quote by TriSec:Quote by wickedpam:
That would not make those striking look good. No they need to stay on the job and still fight
I disagree; shutting down the entire damn state would be the best thing to do now. And I mean everything. This is what annoys me about the vast unwashed heathens out there...France, Greece, Spain, anywhere else in the world calls a general strike at the drop of a hat.
We've got a union-busting overthrow of Wisconsin state government, and we'll end up shrugging and sending in the lawyers. May as well give up now.
I didn't write an entire blog so everyone could say we should just give up.
I also mentioned something earlier in the blog regarding a general Strike -- We are FAR bigger geographically than France and Greece.That is why media is so important. The media is failing this nation.
A statewide Strike however -- That would be very viable.
Comment by wickedpam on 03/10/2011 15:45:52
I just don't know anymore
wickedpam on 03/10/2011 15:45:52
Quote by Raine:I'm not so sure anymore. After what they pulled last night, I'm more inclined for a general statewide strike. What they have done is so radical, that perhaps it ought to be met with a peaceful, but equally radical response.Quote by wickedpam:Quote by Scoopster:
We don't need a boycott of Wisconsin.. we need a general strike IN Wisconsin.
That would not make those striking look good. No they need to stay on the job and still fight
And I LOVE this.
I just don't know anymore
Comment by Raine on 03/10/2011 15:48:13
I understand, Mala.
I really do.
Raine on 03/10/2011 15:48:13
Quote by wickedpam:
I just don't know anymore
I understand, Mala. I really do.
Comment by TriSec on 03/10/2011 15:50:06
TriSec on 03/10/2011 15:50:06
Take a deep breath and read my post again.
I am not advocating giving up. This is a defining moment; the fact that people are still at the State House and are talking about a statewide strike is very encouraging.
The point I was trying to make is that for most of our history, things that should have provoked riots have not done so. We're so disconnected from everything, the tendency is to look at it and say "what can I do?" and let the lawyers argue it out.
And yes, size does matter. It's really hard for me to have any personal involvement in something happening 1,000 miles away...we can have general support rallies (which we did), but this is going to have to be done at the state level.
I am not advocating giving up. This is a defining moment; the fact that people are still at the State House and are talking about a statewide strike is very encouraging.
The point I was trying to make is that for most of our history, things that should have provoked riots have not done so. We're so disconnected from everything, the tendency is to look at it and say "what can I do?" and let the lawyers argue it out.
And yes, size does matter. It's really hard for me to have any personal involvement in something happening 1,000 miles away...we can have general support rallies (which we did), but this is going to have to be done at the state level.
Comment by Scoopster on 03/10/2011 15:52:48
Scoopster on 03/10/2011 15:52:48
Ah found it! As requested repost - http://www.dailykos.com/story/2010/8/24/895947/-Boycott-Koch-Products
Comment by wickedpam on 03/10/2011 15:54:40
Thanks
I really am frustrated to the point of tears
wickedpam on 03/10/2011 15:54:40
Quote by Raine:Quote by wickedpam:
I just don't know anymore
I really do.
Thanks
I really am frustrated to the point of tears
Comment by Scoopster on 03/10/2011 15:57:36
Hang in there Mala, Tri, and everyone. We're gonna get thru this.
Scoopster on 03/10/2011 15:57:36
Hang in there Mala, Tri, and everyone. We're gonna get thru this.
Comment by Raine on 03/10/2011 16:01:19
Aww... are you goin all john Boner on us? 
(I Kid, I have been at that point often these past few weeks.)
Raine on 03/10/2011 16:01:19
Quote by wickedpam:Quote by Raine:Quote by wickedpam:
I just don't know anymore
I really do.
Thanks
I really am frustrated to the point of tears
(I Kid, I have been at that point often these past few weeks.)
Comment by Scoopster on 03/10/2011 16:02:17
Scoopster on 03/10/2011 16:02:17
Well, I was planning to buy a new memory foam bed to help with my sleep problems with my tax refund check..
I may have to lower my horizons a little bit, cuz I'm gonna donate some money to help the effort in case there is a strike. People are gonna need help with food dontchaknow..
I may have to lower my horizons a little bit, cuz I'm gonna donate some money to help the effort in case there is a strike. People are gonna need help with food dontchaknow..
Comment by wickedpam on 03/10/2011 16:04:02
I'm trying the best I can, Just never seen such ugliness before
wickedpam on 03/10/2011 16:04:02
Quote by Scoopster:
Hang in there Mala, Tri, and everyone. We're gonna get thru this.
I'm trying the best I can,
Just never seen such ugliness before
Comment by Scoopster on 03/10/2011 16:05:36
Scoopster on 03/10/2011 16:05:36
Comment by wickedpam on 03/10/2011 16:07:42
nah, still a have my light olive complextion, not 'flicked with orange :P
And I don't have any taverns in my past that I sweep the floors of
wickedpam on 03/10/2011 16:07:42
Quote by Raine:Aww... are you goin all john Boner on us?Quote by wickedpam:Quote by Raine:Quote by wickedpam:
I just don't know anymore
I really do.
Thanks
I really am frustrated to the point of tears
(I Kid, I have been at that point often these past few weeks.)
nah, still a have my light olive complextion, not 'flicked with orange :P
And I don't have any taverns in my past that I sweep the floors of
Comment by Raine on 03/10/2011 16:09:31
Raine on 03/10/2011 16:09:31
Last WWI Veteran Frank Buckles to be Buried in Private Va. Service
Buckles' daughter wanted her father to lie in repose in the U.S. Capitol, but Congress failed to approve that plan.
Politicians remain divided over how to best honor Buckles and the 4.7 million other Americans who served.
Comment by TriSec on 03/10/2011 16:20:11
This pisses me off to no end. A no-brainer like this, and they can't even agree on it?
Godspeed, Mr. Buckles. Thank you for your service.
TriSec on 03/10/2011 16:20:11
This pisses me off to no end. A no-brainer like this, and they can't even agree on it?
Godspeed, Mr. Buckles. Thank you for your service.
Comment by Raine on 03/10/2011 16:21:36
Peter King is as bad as Joe McCarthy.
Raine on 03/10/2011 16:21:36
Peter King is as bad as Joe McCarthy.
Rep. Ellison Breaks Into Tears Explaining Story Of Muslim First Responder Who Died To Save Americans On 9/11 ELLISON: Let me close with a story, but remember that it’s only one of many American stories that could be told. Mohammed Salman Hamdani was a 23-year-old paramedic, a New York City police cadet and a Muslim American. He was one of those brave first responders who tragically lost their lives in the 9/11 terrorist attacks almost a decade ago. As The New York Times eulogized, “He wanted to be seen as an all-American kid.†[...] Mr. Hamdani bravely sacrificed his life to try and help others on 9/11. After the tragedy some people tried to smear his character solely because of his Islamic faith. Some people spread false rumors and speculated that he was in league with the attackers only because he was Muslim. It was only when his remains were identified that these lies were fully exposed. Mohammed Salman Hamdani was a fellow American who gave his life for other Americans. His life should not be defined as a member of an ethnic group or a member of a religion, but as an American who gave everything for his fellow citizens. I yield back.
Comment by Raine on 03/10/2011 16:28:10
It's not that they can't agree, John Boehner blocked it.
Raine on 03/10/2011 16:28:10
Quote by TriSec:
This pisses me off to no end. A no-brainer like this, and they can't even agree on it?
Godspeed, Mr. Buckles. Thank you for your service.
Comment by Scoopster on 03/10/2011 17:14:15
Scoopster on 03/10/2011 17:14:15
Comment by 
livingonli on 03/10/2011 17:14:20
livingonli on 03/10/2011 17:14:20
Good day everyone. Another crappy day here. Wish I could sleep but I have to work.
Comment by Raine on 03/10/2011 17:29:07
Raine on 03/10/2011 17:29:07
Comment by wickedpam on 03/10/2011 17:38:24
I thought they we're going back yet because they didn't trust the repugs?
wickedpam on 03/10/2011 17:38:24
I thought they we're going back yet because they didn't trust the repugs?
Comment by 
trojanrabbit on 03/10/2011 17:40:03
trojanrabbit on 03/10/2011 17:40:03
I've just accepted the offer, so pending drug test and background I will be starting March 22.
Here.
Notice the Rethug head of the Senate is asking if the recall process is legal. Mind you, he's just asking. Just asking.
Here.
Notice the Rethug head of the Senate is asking if the recall process is legal. Mind you, he's just asking. Just asking.
Comment by wickedpam on 03/10/2011 17:43:03
wickedpam on 03/10/2011 17:43:03
Congrats Rabbit! 
Comment by livingonli on 03/10/2011 17:48:44
livingonli on 03/10/2011 17:48:44
Congrats Rabbit!
Comment by Raine on 03/10/2011 17:55:27
This is wonderful news! I am so happy for you and the Mrs!
Raine on 03/10/2011 17:55:27
Quote by trojanrabbit:
I've just accepted the offer, so pending drug test and background I will be starting March 22.
This is wonderful news! I am so happy for you and the Mrs!
Comment by TriSec on 03/10/2011 18:15:43
TriSec on 03/10/2011 18:15:43
Ah, to be a woodcock!
Hanging out in the forest, peenting all night...
(sorry, listening to a 'birding by ear' cd.)
Hanging out in the forest, peenting all night...
(sorry, listening to a 'birding by ear' cd.)