-
It's that time of year again - our ISP is asking for money. If you have some spare change, please click the Donate link... Thanks!
- About Us
- Search
- Need Help?
- Donate
- Login/Register
Latest Entries
Actions Menu
Blog Roll
- 4F Facebook Page
- Turn Up The Night with Kenny Pick
- Stephanie Miller Show
- The Tim Corrimal Show
- The Rachel Maddow Show
- Angry Americans with Paul Rieckhoff
- Thom Hartmann Program
- Turnips! Fans of Turn Up the Night Facebook Page
- Snopes.com
- Factcheck.org
- Official White House Page, if you must.
- The Brad Blog / Green News Report
- The Poorly Written Political Blog (Joe Santorsa)
Silence Isn't Always Golden
Author: Raine
Date: 03/24/2011 13:10:36
This is just a little too close to home. I mean that seriously. As the crow flies, National Airport is just a three miles from our home. In this case, as the crow flies is significant. Listen:
From the Washington Post: The controller was asleep. This story is still unfolding, as the local radio station is reporting, there are ongoing questions such as: where was the Supervisor? Where was the Airline liaison on the ground, and where was the ground crew? We are lucky there was no maintenance equipment on the runway.
This should not have happened. It's the very least that can be said here. Hopefully if the President gets his way, it won't have to happen again. in his FY2011 budget, there is funding allocated for NexGen. The Houston Chronicle writes:
This incident WAS human error. Had there been more than one person in that tower it could have been avoided. I hear those planes fly over my head every day. I often wake up to the jets powering up in the morning. I love it, to be honest. Today, I will be listening with a little more concern.
and 
Raine
Bonus: Plane porn; Gravelly Point Park, Arlington, Virginia.
From the Washington Post:
Transportation Secretary Ray LaHood has ordered a second air traffic controller to be on duty overnight at Reagan National Airport, after the lone controller was unavailable early Wednesday as two passenger planes were trying to land.
LaHood also instructed the Federal Aviation Administration, which is investigating the incident, to examine staffing levels at other airports around the country.
The two D.C. airliners, carrying a total of 165 passengers and crew members, landed on their own shortly after midnight after attempting to contact the control tower and receiving no response.
This should not have happened. It's the very least that can be said here. Hopefully if the President gets his way, it won't have to happen again. in his FY2011 budget, there is funding allocated for NexGen. The Houston Chronicle writes:
The current system is a relic. It has been in place since the nation's air traffic control system was created in the 1950s. Over those years, air traffic has increased several fold. To further postpone moving from the analog system now in place to a vastly more efficient digital one is unacceptable. It's unfathomable.
The process of updating air traffic control was begun several years ago and will take many additional years to complete. The new system, called the next Generation Air Transportation System, or NextGen, would shift control of the nation's air traffic from a ground-based system to a satellite-based system. The Federal Aviation Administration, the agency overseeing its implementation, estimates its cost at $15 billion to $22 billion for taxpayers and about $14 billion for the aviation industry. Delays would only up that ante, informed observers say.
Funding NextGen is one matter that must not be made subject to the changing winds of budget prioritizing and cutting, as urgent as that effort is. As Chronicle reporter Jenalia Moreno related in a Sunday Business story ("New air traffic system could save time, fuel; But debate about federal budget might keep NextGen grounded," March 20, Page D1), the investments being required of the nation's airlines to plug into the new system are expensive. The carriers deserve certainty about a completion date for the new system.
This incident WAS human error. Had there been more than one person in that tower it could have been avoided. I hear those planes fly over my head every day. I often wake up to the jets powering up in the morning. I love it, to be honest. Today, I will be listening with a little more concern.
and Raine
Bonus: Plane porn; Gravelly Point Park, Arlington, Virginia.
Comments:
Order comments Newest to Oldest Refresh Comments
Comment by 
Raine on 03/24/2011 13:25:29
Raine on 03/24/2011 13:25:29
Also, one more thing: Am I the only one who sees the irony that this happened at what is officially called Ronald Reagan National Airport?
(we refer to it as National Airport in this house. )
(we refer to it as National Airport in this house. )
Comment by 
wickedpam on 03/24/2011 13:30:42
wickedpam on 03/24/2011 13:30:42
Morning 
Just another reason why I refuse to fly out of National.
Just another reason why I refuse to fly out of National.
Comment by wickedpam on 03/24/2011 13:31:36
National it was named National it will always be
wickedpam on 03/24/2011 13:31:36
Quote by Raine:
Also, one more thing: Am I the only one who sees the irony that this happened at what is officially called Ronald Reagan National Airport?
(we refer to it as National Airport in this house. )
National it was named National it will always be
Comment by Raine on 03/24/2011 13:35:17
(said the newcomer to the area.)
Raine on 03/24/2011 13:35:17
Quote by wickedpam:Quote by Raine:
Also, one more thing: Am I the only one who sees the irony that this happened at what is officially called Ronald Reagan National Airport?
(we refer to it as National Airport in this house. )
National it was named National it will always be
(said the newcomer to the area.)
Comment by Raine on 03/24/2011 13:42:41
Raine on 03/24/2011 13:42:41
OK, this is just stupid crazy.
From Faux:
In other news, I had a date with the GooGoo dolls Drummer, so my fingerprints on the smash hit, Iris.
From Faux:
Soros Fingerprints on Libya Bombing
Also, the Soros-funded global group that promotes Responsibility to Protect is closely tied to Samantha Power, the National Security Council special adviser to Obama on human rights.
Power has been a champion of the doctrine and is, herself, deeply tied to the doctrine's founder.
According to reports, Power was instrumental in convincing Obama to act against Libya.
In other news, I had a date with the GooGoo dolls Drummer, so my fingerprints on the smash hit, Iris.
Comment by 
Scoopster on 03/24/2011 13:52:12
Scoopster on 03/24/2011 13:52:12
Mornin' all.. 
Ah another snowy day!
And another day closer to the Eighth Circle of Hell for the members of WBC.
Ah another snowy day!And another day closer to the Eighth Circle of Hell for the members of WBC.
Comment by wickedpam on 03/24/2011 13:56:05
I don't know too many people who've used that airport since I was a kid who don't just call it National, to be honest
wickedpam on 03/24/2011 13:56:05
Quote by Raine:Quote by wickedpam:Quote by Raine:
Also, one more thing: Am I the only one who sees the irony that this happened at what is officially called Ronald Reagan National Airport?
(we refer to it as National Airport in this house. )
National it was named National it will always be
I don't know too many people who've used that airport since I was a kid who don't just call it National, to be honest
Comment by 
TriSec on 03/24/2011 13:58:44
TriSec on 03/24/2011 13:58:44
Interesting that they chose to land without contacting ground control.
In the big picture, the local tower has control over all the ground activities; they're the ones that give final permission for takeoffs and landings, and control all movements on the ground at the airport.
Once airborne and on an established "jetway", control switches to the regional control center. The inbound jets should probably have diverted and tried to contact 'Center' or 'The Company' (their own personnel on the ground) for further instruction.
That said, it's not overly dangerous to land on an uncontrolled airport; most of the civilian fields around are uncontrolled. (College Park, for a local DC reference). It would depend on the traffic, visibility, and pilot judgement for that.
It will be interesting to see what Patrick Smith has to say about this.
(And no jealousy from the New England branch...I grew up in Saugus, which is bisected by two different approaches to Logan, and I currently work just a mile off the threshold, centerline extended, to KBED RW 23.)
And, good morning.
(sorry, sorry...a story like this is meat & drink for me.)
In the big picture, the local tower has control over all the ground activities; they're the ones that give final permission for takeoffs and landings, and control all movements on the ground at the airport.
Once airborne and on an established "jetway", control switches to the regional control center. The inbound jets should probably have diverted and tried to contact 'Center' or 'The Company' (their own personnel on the ground) for further instruction.
That said, it's not overly dangerous to land on an uncontrolled airport; most of the civilian fields around are uncontrolled. (College Park, for a local DC reference). It would depend on the traffic, visibility, and pilot judgement for that.
It will be interesting to see what Patrick Smith has to say about this.
(And no jealousy from the New England branch...I grew up in Saugus, which is bisected by two different approaches to Logan, and I currently work just a mile off the threshold, centerline extended, to KBED RW 23.)
And, good morning.
(sorry, sorry...a story like this is meat & drink for me.)
Comment by Scoopster on 03/24/2011 13:58:51
Scoopster on 03/24/2011 13:58:51
Comment by Raine on 03/24/2011 14:02:10
I knew it would be, Tri.
A regional Airport ended up assisting in the landings. Probably College Park. I also mentioned in the blog, the lack of the airlines personnel at National. literally, no one was available for contact.
Raine on 03/24/2011 14:02:10
Quote by TriSec:
Interesting that they chose to land without contacting ground control.
In the big picture, the local tower has control over all the ground activities; they're the ones that give final permission for takeoffs and landings, and control all movements on the ground at the airport.
Once airborne and on an established "jetway", control switches to the regional control center. The inbound jets should probably have diverted and tried to contact 'Center' or 'The Company' (their own personnel on the ground) for further instruction.
That said, it's not overly dangerous to land on an uncontrolled airport; most of the civilian fields around are uncontrolled. (College Park, for a local DC reference). It would depend on the traffic, visibility, and pilot judgement for that.
It will be interesting to see what Patrick Smith has to say about this.
(And no jealousy from the New England branch...I grew up in Saugus, which is bisected by two different approaches to Logan, and I currently work just a mile off the threshold, centerline extended, to KBED RW 23.)
And, good morning.
(sorry, sorry...a story like this is meat & drink for me.)
I knew it would be, Tri.
A regional Airport ended up assisting in the landings. Probably College Park. I also mentioned in the blog, the lack of the airlines personnel at National. literally, no one was available for contact.
Comment by 
BobR on 03/24/2011 14:04:12
From what I heard on the news, that was ultimately how they landed - the contacted ground control 60 miles away. From the linked article:
BobR on 03/24/2011 14:04:12
Quote by TriSec:
Interesting that they chose to land without contacting ground control.
In the big picture, the local tower has control over all the ground activities; they're the ones that give final permission for takeoffs and landings, and control all movements on the ground at the airport.
Once airborne and on an established "jetway", control switches to the regional control center. The inbound jets should probably have diverted and tried to contact 'Center' or 'The Company' (their own personnel on the ground) for further instruction.
That said, it's not overly dangerous to land on an uncontrolled airport; most of the civilian fields around are uncontrolled. (College Park, for a local DC reference). It would depend on the traffic, visibility, and pilot judgement for that.
It will be interesting to see what Patrick Smith has to say about this.
(And no jealousy from the New England branch...I grew up in Saugus, which is bisected by two different approaches to Logan, and I currently work just a mile off the threshold, centerline extended, to KBED RW 23.)
And, good morning.
(sorry, sorry...a story like this is meat & drink for me.)
From what I heard on the news, that was ultimately how they landed - the contacted ground control 60 miles away. From the linked article:
The planes’ pilots took matters into their own hands, broadcasting their progress as they approached and landed. They also were communicating with controllers at a separate facility in the region that does not handle landing
Comment by wickedpam on 03/24/2011 14:12:11
wickedpam on 03/24/2011 14:12:11
*sigh* the birth cert I have from DC does not have a sig - does that mean I'm not a citizen?
Comment by Raine on 03/24/2011 14:16:01
If your not neither am I.
That reminds me, I need to make some calls about my passport.
Raine on 03/24/2011 14:16:01
Quote by wickedpam:
*sigh* the birth cert I have from DC does not have a sig - does that mean I'm not a citizen?
If your not neither am I.
That reminds me, I need to make some calls about my passport.
Comment by wickedpam on 03/24/2011 14:21:14
Does that mean we can pick our country then? Cause I'm thinking Canada or some place with univeral healthcare and with a solid economy so I have a job and can afford a home
wickedpam on 03/24/2011 14:21:14
Quote by Raine:Quote by wickedpam:
*sigh* the birth cert I have from DC does not have a sig - does that mean I'm not a citizen?
If your not neither am I.
That reminds me, I need to make some calls about my passport.
Does that mean we can pick our country then? Cause I'm thinking Canada or some place with univeral healthcare and with a solid economy so I have a job and can afford a home
Comment by Raine on 03/24/2011 14:23:39
You make an interesting point.
These guys either want him to be from Kenya (NOT PROVABLE) or they want him to be a man without a country. ---
Were slaves considered citizens???
Raine on 03/24/2011 14:23:39
Quote by wickedpam:
Does that mean we can pick our country then? Cause I'm thinking Canada or some place with univeral healthcare and with a solid economy so I have a job and can afford a home
These guys either want him to be from Kenya (NOT PROVABLE) or they want him to be a man without a country. ---
Were slaves considered citizens???
Comment by Raine on 03/24/2011 14:26:02
Teabagger.
Jingoistic Bullshite.
Raine on 03/24/2011 14:26:02
Teabagger. Jingoistic Bullshite.
Comment by Raine on 03/24/2011 14:26:21
and paranoid, I might add.
Raine on 03/24/2011 14:26:21
Quote by Raine:
Jingoistic Bullshite.
and paranoid, I might add.
Comment by wickedpam on 03/24/2011 14:26:47
wickedpam on 03/24/2011 14:26:47
oh lord, how does Hal provoke the crazies into calling?
Comment by Raine on 03/24/2011 14:28:16
Raine on 03/24/2011 14:28:16
When Hal mentions the "commons" it sounds SO much sexier than when Thom does....
Comment by Raine on 03/24/2011 14:28:35
HE welcomes them.
Raine on 03/24/2011 14:28:35
Quote by wickedpam:
oh lord, how does Hal provoke the crazies into calling?
Comment by wickedpam on 03/24/2011 14:28:50
no, I don't think there were - they were property
wickedpam on 03/24/2011 14:28:50
Quote by Raine:You make an interesting point.Quote by wickedpam:
Does that mean we can pick our country then? Cause I'm thinking Canada or some place with univeral healthcare and with a solid economy so I have a job and can afford a home
These guys either want him to be from Kenya (NOT PROVABLE) or they want him to be a man without a country. ---
Were slaves considered citizens???
no, I don't think there were - they were property
Comment by wickedpam on 03/24/2011 14:29:23
They're driving me nuts with the screaming and yelling
wickedpam on 03/24/2011 14:29:23
Quote by Raine:HE welcomes them.Quote by wickedpam:
oh lord, how does Hal provoke the crazies into calling?
They're driving me nuts with the screaming and yelling
Comment by Raine on 03/24/2011 14:30:19
Raine on 03/24/2011 14:30:19
The yelling is killing me.
Comment by TriSec on 03/24/2011 14:33:34
TriSec on 03/24/2011 14:33:34
There's more to that Maine story; the gov also wants to rename conference rooms in the Labor Dept after "mountains, or streams, or something". One of the rooms is named for Cesar Chavez, and another is named for a gentleman whose name eludes me that worked to improve the workers' situation after Triangle Shirtwaist; his parents were from Maine.
Pure pettiness, IMHO.
Pure pettiness, IMHO.
Comment by Raine on 03/24/2011 15:22:22
Today is the Triangle Shirtwaist factory fire anniversary.
Raine on 03/24/2011 15:22:22
Quote by TriSec:
There's more to that Maine story; the gov also wants to rename conference rooms in the Labor Dept after "mountains, or streams, or something". One of the rooms is named for Cesar Chavez, and another is named for a gentleman whose name eludes me that worked to improve the workers' situation after Triangle Shirtwaist; his parents were from Maine.
Pure pettiness, IMHO.
Comment by Scoopster on 03/24/2011 15:28:53
NPR did a pretty good story on Triangle this morning, and even tied it into the current day labor struggles across the country.
Scoopster on 03/24/2011 15:28:53
Quote by Raine:Today is the Triangle Shirtwaist factory fire anniversary.Quote by TriSec:
There's more to that Maine story; the gov also wants to rename conference rooms in the Labor Dept after "mountains, or streams, or something". One of the rooms is named for Cesar Chavez, and another is named for a gentleman whose name eludes me that worked to improve the workers' situation after Triangle Shirtwaist; his parents were from Maine.
Pure pettiness, IMHO.
NPR did a pretty good story on Triangle this morning, and even tied it into the current day labor struggles across the country.
Comment by Raine on 03/24/2011 15:31:49
Raine on 03/24/2011 15:31:49
HEY Gang!
Guess what?
I get to prove to the State Department that I am a citizen!
Seems my Virginia issued State ID and my birth certificate aren't enough to get a passport.
I'm frustrated. I mean seriously, WTH.
I know you went thru this crap Mala. But they literally told me my ID was the red flag. grrr.
Guess what?
I get to prove to the State Department that I am a citizen!
Seems my Virginia issued State ID and my birth certificate aren't enough to get a passport.
I'm frustrated. I mean seriously, WTH.
I know you went thru this crap Mala. But they literally told me my ID was the red flag. grrr.
Comment by Raine on 03/24/2011 15:32:49
I'm assuming I can listen to it online, I'd like to.
Raine on 03/24/2011 15:32:49
Quote by Scoopster:
NPR did a pretty good story on Triangle this morning, and even tied it into the current day labor struggles across the country.
Comment by wickedpam on 03/24/2011 15:40:51
Geez! why was the ID flagged that seems odd
Mine is messed up because my name on my BC is spelled wrong - I still have to go through the process to have that corrected
wickedpam on 03/24/2011 15:40:51
Quote by Raine:
HEY Gang!
Guess what?
I get to prove to the State Department that I am a citizen!
Seems my Virginia issued State ID and my birth certificate aren't enough to get a passport.
I'm frustrated. I mean seriously, WTH.
I know you went thru this crap Mala. But they literally told me my ID was the red flag. grrr.
Geez! why was the ID flagged that seems odd
Mine is messed up because my name on my BC is spelled wrong - I still have to go through the process to have that corrected
Comment by Scoopster on 03/24/2011 15:44:24
Linky link!
Scoopster on 03/24/2011 15:44:24
Quote by Raine:I'm assuming I can listen to it online, I'd like to.Quote by Scoopster:
NPR did a pretty good story on Triangle this morning, and even tied it into the current day labor struggles across the country.
Linky link!
Comment by Scoopster on 03/24/2011 15:45:15
Scoopster on 03/24/2011 15:45:15
Hmmm.. new comments aren't displaying when I post or hit the refresh link anymore. 
Comment by Raine on 03/24/2011 15:47:47
WHAT? I will alert Bobber. It's working on this safari browser.
Raine on 03/24/2011 15:47:47
Quote by Scoopster:
Hmmm.. new comments aren't displaying when I post or hit the refresh link anymore.
WHAT? I will alert Bobber. It's working on this safari browser.
Comment by BobR on 03/24/2011 15:48:37
Working fine here too. Maybe it was just a glitch?
BobR on 03/24/2011 15:48:37
Quote by Raine:Quote by Scoopster:
Hmmm.. new comments aren't displaying when I post or hit the refresh link anymore.
WHAT? I will alert Bobber. It's working on this safari browser.
Working fine here too. Maybe it was just a glitch?
Comment by Raine on 03/24/2011 15:49:31
She said some states have a flag trigger with State ID's. I'm thinking Virginia is one of them.
You know, cause my last name sounds SO much like an immigrant.
Raine on 03/24/2011 15:49:31
Quote by wickedpam:
Geez! why was the ID flagged that seems odd
Mine is messed up because my name on my BC is spelled wrong - I still have to go through the process to have that corrected
She said some states have a flag trigger with State ID's. I'm thinking Virginia is one of them.
You know, cause my last name sounds SO much like an immigrant.
Comment by 
Mondobubba on 03/24/2011 16:09:13
Raine is correct. Hence the 14th Amendment.
Mondobubba on 03/24/2011 16:09:13
Quote by wickedpam:Quote by Raine:You make an interesting point.Quote by wickedpam:
Does that mean we can pick our country then? Cause I'm thinking Canada or some place with univeral healthcare and with a solid economy so I have a job and can afford a home
These guys either want him to be from Kenya (NOT PROVABLE) or they want him to be a man without a country. ---
Were slaves considered citizens???
no, I don't think there were - they were property
Raine is correct. Hence the 14th Amendment.
Comment by TriSec on 03/24/2011 16:11:04
TriSec on 03/24/2011 16:11:04
Awesome, so your state-issued ID isn't good enough for the Feds, eh?
Then I say you and Bob should secede and stop paying taxes, since you're not citizens. Good Luck!
(And Mass has a similar issue; many places don't recognize the state ID as a legal form of ID and will only take a driver's license. But isn't that the same thing?)
Our passports are up this summer, too. We still need to renew. But I'm reluctant to; I have an old, pre-RFID passport that is plain and businesslike. The new George Bush Passport is shiny, glossy, and covered with eagles and flags and historical quotes. Does any other nation do this?
Then I say you and Bob should secede and stop paying taxes, since you're not citizens. Good Luck!
(And Mass has a similar issue; many places don't recognize the state ID as a legal form of ID and will only take a driver's license. But isn't that the same thing?)
Our passports are up this summer, too. We still need to renew. But I'm reluctant to; I have an old, pre-RFID passport that is plain and businesslike. The new George Bush Passport is shiny, glossy, and covered with eagles and flags and historical quotes. Does any other nation do this?
Comment by Scoopster on 03/24/2011 16:11:53
Scoopster on 03/24/2011 16:11:53
House Repubs keep digging their hole - buried budget line item would strip families of striking workers from receiving SNAP assistance.
Edit: oops forgot the link!
Edit: oops forgot the link!
Comment by wickedpam on 03/24/2011 16:19:06
What? I thought you'd get a free pass with it looking like a certain pair of teabag backers
wickedpam on 03/24/2011 16:19:06
Quote by Raine:Quote by wickedpam:
Geez! why was the ID flagged that seems odd
Mine is messed up because my name on my BC is spelled wrong - I still have to go through the process to have that corrected
She said some states have a flag trigger with State ID's. I'm thinking Virginia is one of them.
You know, cause my last name sounds SO much like an immigrant.
What? I thought you'd get a free pass with it looking like a certain pair of teabag backers
Comment by Scoopster on 03/24/2011 16:26:39
Scoopster on 03/24/2011 16:26:39
A lot of businesses/govt agencies won't accept a state-issued ID, or even an expired drivers license, as valid identification. I have that problem sometimes, which is why I also carry my voter registration card - usually the combination of any photo ID with it is good enough to pass.
Comment by wickedpam on 03/24/2011 16:33:52
wickedpam on 03/24/2011 16:33:52
hey, anyone know what company or groups donate compost? One of the 1 By Youth projects is a community garden and we're looking for compost donation but I have no clue where to look for this
Comment by TriSec on 03/24/2011 16:58:00
Given the prodigious amount produced by the Republicans, try giving GOP headquarters a call.
*ducks incoming brick*
TriSec on 03/24/2011 16:58:00
Quote by wickedpam:
hey, anyone know what company or groups donate compost? One of the 1 By Youth projects is a community garden and we're looking for compost donation but I have no clue where to look for this
Given the prodigious amount produced by the Republicans, try giving GOP headquarters a call.
*ducks incoming brick*
Comment by wickedpam on 03/24/2011 17:05:23
That might turn our plant toxic 
wickedpam on 03/24/2011 17:05:23
Quote by TriSec:Quote by wickedpam:
hey, anyone know what company or groups donate compost? One of the 1 By Youth projects is a community garden and we're looking for compost donation but I have no clue where to look for this
Given the prodigious amount produced by the Republicans, try giving GOP headquarters a call.
*ducks incoming brick*
That might turn our plant toxic
Comment by 
livingonli on 03/24/2011 17:21:33
livingonli on 03/24/2011 17:21:33
A belated good day to everyone. Crashed out due to a stomachache and then had to go get laundry. Lizz is doing a benefit show in Manhattan which I may go to since the weather isn't going to be as crappy as expected.
Comment by livingonli on 03/24/2011 17:27:32
livingonli on 03/24/2011 17:27:32
I've heard that some people want to rename the Queensboro Bridge after Ed Koch but I don't know how much public support there is for it.
Comment by Scoopster on 03/24/2011 17:53:42
Scoopster on 03/24/2011 17:53:42
Comment by wickedpam on 03/24/2011 18:24:25
Don't know much about Bio-Shock and I don't play shooter games so I'm unsure of what point of view this story of the game takes - what's the normal Bio-Shock story?
wickedpam on 03/24/2011 18:24:25
Don't know much about Bio-Shock and I don't play shooter games so I'm unsure of what point of view this story of the game takes - what's the normal Bio-Shock story?
Comment by Scoopster on 03/24/2011 18:50:59
Since I haven't personally played either of the Bioshock games yet, we'll have to defer to Mr. Wiki for some info.. but basically at the start of the game you're an unwitting explorer of an underwater Randian utopia (i.e. "Galt's Gulch" on the ocean floor) where the dude in charge thinks you're invading and uses robots and genetically-altered guards to kill you.
It gets more complex than that I think.. I think I'm gonna have to download this one offa Steam!
Scoopster on 03/24/2011 18:50:59
Quote by wickedpam:
Don't know much about Bio-Shock and I don't play shooter games so I'm unsure of what point of view this story of the game takes - what's the normal Bio-Shock story?
Since I haven't personally played either of the Bioshock games yet, we'll have to defer to Mr. Wiki for some info.. but basically at the start of the game you're an unwitting explorer of an underwater Randian utopia (i.e. "Galt's Gulch" on the ocean floor) where the dude in charge thinks you're invading and uses robots and genetically-altered guards to kill you.
It gets more complex than that I think.. I think I'm gonna have to download this one offa Steam!
Comment by wickedpam on 03/24/2011 18:57:59
I await your more detailed report then
wickedpam on 03/24/2011 18:57:59
Quote by Scoopster:Quote by wickedpam:
Don't know much about Bio-Shock and I don't play shooter games so I'm unsure of what point of view this story of the game takes - what's the normal Bio-Shock story?
Since I haven't personally played either of the Bioshock games yet, we'll have to defer to Mr. Wiki for some info.. but basically at the start of the game you're an unwitting explorer of an underwater Randian utopia (i.e. "Galt's Gulch" on the ocean floor) where the dude in charge thinks you're invading and uses robots and genetically-altered guards to kill you.
It gets more complex than that I think.. I think I'm gonna have to download this one offa Steam!
I await your more detailed report then
Comment by TriSec on 03/24/2011 19:07:55
A Russian friend of mine has complained that we Americans have no sense of history, but this is starting to get a little ridiculous.
Let's rename everything, while we're at it.
TriSec on 03/24/2011 19:07:55
Quote by livingonli:
I've heard that some people want to rename the Queensboro Bridge after Ed Koch but I don't know how much public support there is for it.
A Russian friend of mine has complained that we Americans have no sense of history, but this is starting to get a little ridiculous.
Let's rename everything, while we're at it.