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Whigging Out on the Two-Party System
Author: BobR    Date: 04/01/2011 12:55:17

America is - and essentially always has been - a two-party country. The current Democratic and Republican parties were once a single party, in opposition first to the Federalists, and then to Whigs. As those two parties disappeared into history, the Democratic-Republican party split into the two we have today. Sure there are other parties (sometimes referred to as 3rd parties), but these two have dominated American politics for over 150 years. There are lessons to be learned by those who would like to see a third party rise to prominence, and lessons for the current two parties as well.

The Whigs are a fine example of party rising to prominence, and then imploding. By modern standards, they were an interesting mix of what we think of as "liberal" values:
  • Supported modernization
  • Supported a national transportation network
  • Support for domestic manufacturing via tarriffs
  • Created public education, private colleges, charities, and cultural institutions
  • Wanted compromise and balance in government
  • Supported national unity

and what we might think of as "conservative" values:
  • Felt Congress was more important than Executive
  • Wanted a market-oriented economy
  • Supported a business-oriented money supply based on a national bank
  • Called for public schools to teach moral values

Does this sound familiar?:
The Whigs suffered greatly from factionalism throughout their existence, as well as weak party loyalty that stood in contrast to the strong party discipline that was the hallmark of a tight Democratic Party organization. One strength of the Whigs, however, was a superb network of newspapers that provided an internal information system; their leading editor was Horace Greeley of the powerful New York Tribune.

History shows that the Democrats and Republicans gradually traded positions on most issues ( the Democrats of the time were more conservative; The new Republican party was formed in the north by Whigs who split based on slavery issues. Lincoln was a Whig while in Congress..). Republicans nowadays are the ones with the strong party discipline, and the Democrats (and Progressives) are better at utilizing the new social media.

Still Democrats - while often referred to as herding cats - have been at this long enough and are strong enough to survive. It is the third parties that should take lessons. The Green Party, the Tea Party, and even the Libertarian party (the strongest of the 3rd parties) all suffer from organizational issues and factionalism. There are individual Tea Party groups in states claiming to be the only valid group, and progressives alienating liberals with litmus test positions and conspiracy theories.

The Whigs were relevant for only about 20 years. I suspect the Tea Party won't last even that long. The Green Party will need to work a lot harder to become a viable 3rd party. Even then, the momentum of history is against them. There are a lot of 3rd parties trying to make a name for themselves, so there's always a lot of competition (there's even a modern Whig Party).

The dustbin of political history is filled with grand ideas and good intentions that just did not resonate with the American public. Consensus building takes compromise, diplomacy, and effective messaging. The two major parties hew toward the center of the American political spectrum, which is where most voters reside. Until they 3rd parties learn this, they will be taking their places alongside the Whigs of political history.
 

33 comments (Latest Comment: 04/01/2011 20:47:28 by livingonli)
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Comment by Will in Chicago on 04/01/2011 13:12:27
Good morning, bloggers!!

I hope that everyone is doing well today. I am here before heading to take a relative to an appointment at a hospital.

One aspect of American elections that prevent third parties from succeeding is the "winner-take-all" aspect of our elections. Other countries have run off voting, voting systems where candidates are ranked in order of preference (so that a voter might be able to select one candidate or party as a first choice, another as a second choice) and other measures. I would argue that unless there is a significant change in our election laws, third parties will remain incubators of ideas and the home for some successful local candidates.

Comment by Raine on 04/01/2011 13:17:51
I'm still amazed that Lincoln was a Whig ...



Comment by Raine on 04/01/2011 13:29:34
I cannot STAND Chuck Todd.

Comment by TriSec on 04/01/2011 13:38:24
I'll pipe up about the Modern Whigs; I'm nominally involved in some party activities in this Commonwealth...I find them interesting, to say the least.

I suppose it's the veteran's angle that I saw first, and the fact that they seem to be blending fiscal conservatism with social liberalism....these two things shouldn't be mutually exclusive, but the way the current two-party system works, it is that way.

It's a pipe dream, but if the two majors keep going the way they are, who knows. Nothing lasts forever, and maybe somebody's time is up.





Comment by Raine on 04/01/2011 13:38:35
Comment by Raine on 04/01/2011 13:46:44
Donald Trump is going to be a regular contributor on Fox and Friends.

no, seriously.

Comment by Scoopster on 04/01/2011 14:11:44
Mornin' all & Happy Fridee!

Well folks.. the time has come.

http://www.xcomment.com/g3/img/375117011308085330.gif


Comment by TriSec on 04/01/2011 14:25:08
Do I read that right?

Are you shedding your Sith past and coming to the light side of The Force?

(and I know this matters not to baseball fans outside of the Northeast Megalopolis, but deal with it.)

Comment by Raine on 04/01/2011 14:31:22
Quote by TriSec:
Do I read that right?

Are you shedding your Sith past and coming to the light side of The Force?

(and I know this matters not to baseball fans outside of the Northeast Megalopolis, but deal with it.)
Tri, if I recall correctly Scoop has a history over the years of flip flopping on this issue.


Comment by Raine on 04/01/2011 14:35:05
heh.


that is all.

Comment by Raine on 04/01/2011 14:37:48
caller just made a great point, Donald Trump could invest in a glass company in America. If he really cares about America he has the money to do that.

Comment by TriSec on 04/01/2011 14:50:37
For the record, I have no problem with New Yorkers supporting New York teams. It's expected.

Where I get mad is locals opposing the local teams.

Somewhere through the RI/CT region is that mysterious dividing line between Boston and New York fandom. And there is also historical precedent; my own sainted grandfather was a fan of the Boston Braves (he followed them through Milwaukee and Atlanta) and also the NY Giants back to the pre-Patriot days. (Which was the only team that could have beaten the Patriots in that way without me getting overly upset about it, btw.)

But, I digress.



Comment by BobR on 04/01/2011 14:52:10
Quote by TriSec:
Do I read that right?

Are you shedding your Sith past and coming to the light side of The Force?

(and I know this matters not to baseball fans outside of the Northeast Megalopolis, but deal with it.)

What day is it?

Comment by Raine on 04/01/2011 15:08:42


Comment by BobR on 04/01/2011 15:17:59
Quote by Raine:
Donald Trump is going to be a regular contributor on Fox and Friends.

no, seriously.



Comment by TriSec on 04/01/2011 15:51:22
I'm waiting for the Post-Trump era.



Comment by livingonli on 04/01/2011 16:31:26
Good day everyone. Lizz Winstead said April Fool's day is to Comedians what New Year's Eve is for drunks: Amateur Hour.

Comment by TriSec on 04/01/2011 17:09:33
All this talk of reactors has reminded me about the one that is essentially in Downtown Boston.

Check around; you might have one, too.



Comment by Raine on 04/01/2011 17:12:25
Quote by livingonli:
Good day everyone. Lizz Winstead said April Fool's day is to Comedians what New Year's Eve is for drunks: Amateur Hour.

Good thing I'm not a comedian.

Comment by Raine on 04/01/2011 17:15:57
Quote by TriSec:
All this talk of reactors has reminded me about the one that is essentially in Downtown Boston.

Check around; you might have one, too.

Brookhaven Natioanl Labs has one on Long Island, and I believe there is one on the Campus of Georgia Tech


Comment by Raine on 04/01/2011 17:32:32
Actually, Ga Tech's was closed down and replaced with this.

Comment by Raine on 04/01/2011 17:35:02
OK -- WHAT? Ed SHULTZ is goign to explore the Black agenda in America on an MSNBC special? ED, From FARGO?




Comment by livingonli on 04/01/2011 17:38:24
He can relate to the experience as much as Stephen Colbert.

Comment by Raine on 04/01/2011 17:40:51
Comment by Raine on 04/01/2011 17:47:23
Quote by Raine:
Remember Pastor Terry Jones?


He's a dick, and he is responsible for 11 deaths.
Pastor Terry Jones seems to have gotten exactly what he wanted. He just kept pushing and pushing until people were killed. After that, he called for MORE WAR. "In a statement to reporters, Jones was unrepentant and called the U.S. government and the international community to respond to the killings."

Until we learn tolerance, people will die.


Comment by Raine on 04/01/2011 18:07:31
Ahh, I see. Freshmen Reps know SO much better than everyone else. So much that they don't need no stinking calendar. Assknob moves like this make me want to run behind them with sparkles & pink unicorn balloons as the camera ran. It'd be just as serious as what they're doing.

It's still a serious story, they don't seem to realize they are a co-equal arm of Government, in essence, they're shitting on their own arm.

GOP Freshman act like old men yelling at clouds.
A group of about a dozen House Republican freshmen on Friday kept to their pledge to rally on the Senate steps every day until the upper chamber passes a government-funding resolution.

The only problem? The Senate was nowhere to be found.

In their third news conference outside the Senate in as many days, the group of House freshmen, joined by Reps. Mike Pence (R-Ind.) and Paul Broun (R-Ga.), delivered their message to a scrum of reporters – and a chamber that is in recess until next Monday.


Comment by BobR on 04/01/2011 18:26:05
Quote by Raine:
Ahh, I see. Freshmen Reps know SO much better than everyone else. So much that they don't need no stinking calendar. Assknob moves like this make me want to run behind them with sparkles & pink unicorn balloons as the camera ran. It'd be just as serious as what they're doing.

It's still a serious story, they don't seem to realize they are a co-equal arm of Government, in essence, they're shitting on their own arm.

GOP Freshman act like old men yelling at clouds.
A group of about a dozen House Republican freshmen on Friday kept to their pledge to rally on the Senate steps every day until the upper chamber passes a government-funding resolution.

The only problem? The Senate was nowhere to be found.

In their third news conference outside the Senate in as many days, the group of House freshmen, joined by Reps. Mike Pence (R-Ind.) and Paul Broun (R-Ga.), delivered their message to a scrum of reporters – and a chamber that is in recess until next Monday.

It would be fun to go there and hand out belts with onion buckles

Comment by Scoopster on 04/01/2011 19:17:15
Quote by TriSec:
All this talk of reactors has reminded me about the one that is essentially in Downtown Boston.

Check around; you might have one, too.

It's a fairly well-known fact that there's a small test reactor on campus at Yale..

Comment by wickedpam on 04/01/2011 20:01:21
Afternoon


Sorry for missing everyone today - had to go make sure I still have a brain and even have a cd with pictures as proof

Comment by Mondobubba on 04/01/2011 20:03:10
Quote by TriSec:
I'll pipe up about the Modern Whigs; I'm nominally involved in some party activities in this Commonwealth...I find them interesting, to say the least.

I suppose it's the veteran's angle that I saw first, and the fact that they seem to be blending fiscal conservatism with social liberalism....these two things shouldn't be mutually exclusive, but the way the current two-party system works, it is that way.

It's a pipe dream, but if the two majors keep going the way they are, who knows. Nothing lasts forever, and maybe somebody's time is up.





Ya mean like the George H.W. Bush, Nelson Rockefeller, etc NE Republicans of a bygone era?

Comment by Raine on 04/01/2011 20:08:26
LIzz is appearing on Nicole SAndler right now!


Comment by Raine on 04/01/2011 20:39:27
Comment by livingonli on 04/01/2011 20:47:28
Quote by Raine:
LIzz is appearing on Nicole SAndler right now!

Hate when I'm at work while these things are on.