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Today, this is who we are.
Author: Raine    Date: 05/05/2011 12:53:23

Today we are a nation that will not spike the football and show the world that the killing of Osama Bin Laden was a trophy.

It wasn't always that way. After Saddam Hussein was captured on Dember 14, 2003, the 9mm pistol he had on his person was recovered. Somehow, that gun ended up in the Oval office of President Bush. It later went on display at the future site of the Bush Institute on the campus of Southern Methodist University in Dallas. Saddam’s Gun A Symbol That Bush ‘Disarmed Him Literally’
“It represents this Texas notion of the white hats taking out the black hats and keeping the trophy,” Rice University history professor Douglas Brinkley said, referring to Saddam’s pistol. “It’s a True West magazine kind of pulp western mentality. For President Bush, this pistol represents his greatest moment of triumph, like the F.B.I. keeping Dillinger’s gun. He wants people generations from now to see the gun and say, ‘He got the bad guy.’”
Earlier that year, Saddam's sons, Uday and Qusay were killed. Those pictures made their way into major newspapers around the world. I always thought they were leaked. It turns out - I was mistaken. It was quite deliberate from our government. From the Guardian, July 24, 2003: (warning the death pictures are at this link.)
A spokesman for the US-led civil authority in Iraq said that journalists would be allowed to film the bodies for themselves tomorrow to dispel any doubts that the photographs were authentic. .....

The US deputy defence secretary, Paul Wolfowitz, said yesterday that the release of the photos could undermine guerrilla groups committed to restoring the old regime.
Less than a year later, we would learn of the brutal death of 4 contractors in the city of Falluja, an area that had remained loyal to Saddam Hussein. Those men were ambushed and murdered and then were filmed as their charred bodies were dragged through the streets and over the Euphrates River.

Yesterday, President Obama told Steve Kroft of 60 minutes that the pictures of Bin Laden will not be released
"It is important to make sure that very graphic photos of somebody who was shot in the head are not floating around as an incitement to additional violence or as a propaganda tool," said the president.

"That’s not who we are. We don't trot out this stuff as trophies," Mr. Obama added. "The fact of the matter is, this is somebody who was deserving of the justice that he received."
Today in America, this is actually who we are. We are a people that no longer needs to see snuff pictures for proof that a mass-murderer has been rightfully removed from the face of this planet. Some things should stay taboo, not just for the us as a people, but also for the Muslim and Arab culture. It is time for such a taboo to return to our culture. Tehran bureau wrote an opinion piece over at PBS yesterday, "Disrespecting the dead, no matter the identity of the deceased, is taboo in Muslim and Arab culture. At best, it comes across as crass and offensive. ...In the words of one, who considered joining the army to demonstrate her approval of the war, "It says we're vulgar." There will always be those who won't believe he is dead, or believe that he died years ago. For me, I believe it when we are told he was killed. I believe that our troops did the job they were assigned to do. It is insulting to them to believe otherwise, but that is another discussion for another time....

Today, when President Obama visits Ground Zero, the situation will be treated with the reverence and seriousness it deserves. It has been 10 long years, but justice was served. He knows the Government doesn't need to grandstand. No Drama Obama indeed. Our nation is violent enough. I for one am glad that today, this is who we NOW are. No more cowboys, no more snuff pictures. As the President said, this is not the time to spike the football. This is about an America who has decided not to further humiliate a culture by seizing a trophy. This is about justice. It was done. Now let's wrap this one up, and get the hell out of Afghanistan.

and
Raine
 

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Comment by wickedpam on 05/05/2011 13:01:24
Morning

I too am glad there is no picture release.

Comment by TriSec on 05/05/2011 13:16:03
Morning, comrades.

The photos I want to see are of that stealth helo...seriously geeking out here.

(Didn't something similar happen back around Operation whatever-it-was when we captured Manuel Noriega? A stealth fighter crashed, and the F-117 program came to light afterwards.)



Comment by Raine on 05/05/2011 13:18:52
Quote by TriSec:
Morning, comrades.

The photos I want to see are of that stealth helo...seriously geeking out here.

(Didn't something similar happen back around Operation whatever-it-was when we captured Manuel Noriega? A stealth fighter crashed, and the F-117 program came to light afterwards.)

What I find amazing is that we have a stealth helicopter.

Mission helo was secret stealth Black Hawk

The helicopter’s low-observable technology is similar to that of the F-117 Stealth Fighter the retired special operations aviator said. “It really didn’t look like a traditional Black Hawk,” he said. It had “hard edges, sort of like an … F-117, you know how they have those distinctive edges and angles — that’s what they had on this one.”



Comment by wickedpam on 05/05/2011 13:18:54
All I remeber about Noriega being captured was that they blared rock music at him

Comment by TriSec on 05/05/2011 13:32:24
Oh, yes. The program was 'cancelled' in 2004; surely that technology went someplace. *nudge, wink*


Comment by Raine on 05/05/2011 13:35:11
Quote by wickedpam:
All I remeber about Noriega being captured was that they blared rock music at him
YEs, they were trying to get him to surrender. that was weird. But, it worked!


Comment by BobR on 05/05/2011 13:38:07
Quote by Raine:
Quote by wickedpam:
All I remeber about Noriega being captured was that they blared rock music at him
YEs, they were trying to get him to surrender. that was weird. But, it worked!

I'll bet they used Styx. That would make ANYONE surrender...

Comment by Raine on 05/05/2011 13:38:42
Why Bush Isn't Going to Ground Zero George W. Bush won't be at Ground Zero with President Obama today "in part because he feels his team is getting short shrift in the decade-long manhunt for Osama Bin Laden," the New York Daily News reports.

Said a highly-placed source: "He viewed this as an Obama victory lap. He doesn't feel personally snubbed and appreciates the invitation, but Obama's claiming all the credit and a lot of other people deserve some of it."

Associates familiar with his thinking say Bush does not believe Obama or his handlers wanted to exploit his presence. But the tag-team idea "was for the benefit of Obama, and Obama withheld credit from people Bush believes deserved it," a source said.
Wow.

I heard that Obama actually asked him. Boy oh boy, Kinda shows who has some class and who doesn't.

Comment by TriSec on 05/05/2011 13:41:18
Interesting....BBC is interviewing people in Karachi. They seem a tad bloodthirsty; "We want proof." "We won't believe it until we see the pictures." "Where is the body?" "There's nothing to show that it was Osama."

Damned if you do; damned if you don't, I guess.



Comment by Raine on 05/05/2011 13:43:25
Quote by TriSec:
Interesting....BBC is interviewing people in Karachi. They seem a tad bloodthirsty; "We want proof." "We won't believe it until we see the pictures." "Where is the body?" "There's nothing to show that it was Osama."

Damned if you do; damned if you don't, I guess.

You sure it's Karachi and not Fox news they're interviewing?


Comment by wickedpam on 05/05/2011 13:46:00
Quote by Raine:
Why Bush Isn't Going to Ground Zero George W. Bush won't be at Ground Zero with President Obama today "in part because he feels his team is getting short shrift in the decade-long manhunt for Osama Bin Laden," the New York Daily News reports.

Said a highly-placed source: "He viewed this as an Obama victory lap. He doesn't feel personally snubbed and appreciates the invitation, but Obama's claiming all the credit and a lot of other people deserve some of it."

Associates familiar with his thinking say Bush does not believe Obama or his handlers wanted to exploit his presence. But the tag-team idea "was for the benefit of Obama, and Obama withheld credit from people Bush believes deserved it," a source said.
Wow.

I heard that Obama actually asked him. Boy oh boy, Kinda shows who has some class and who doesn't.



he took his ball and went home.

Comment by TriSec on 05/05/2011 13:50:10
Did everyone see Rude Pundit yesterday?

He pretty much nailed it on the Republican reaction (and ties in to what Raine quoted below...)


It's kind of pathetic to see Republicans sputtering, "But, but, Bush...no, Bush good." You know what? Obama sealed the deal. It's like when a lover tells you that you're the best fuck she's ever had. Other lovers laid the groundwork, sure, through their fumbling fucks and their decent fucks. But why should she thank them when you're the one who got her off so damn good?




Comment by Scoopster on 05/05/2011 13:51:58
Mornin' all..

Ugh.. workworkwork!

Comment by wickedpam on 05/05/2011 13:58:28
so when the FBI/CIA or whom ever takes out someone on the 10 Most wanted list its an assination?

Comment by Raine on 05/05/2011 14:11:29
Quote by wickedpam:
so when the FBI/CIA or whom ever takes out someone on the 10 Most wanted list its an assination?

It should be done by now.
look:
http://www.fbi.gov/wanted/topten/usama-bin-laden/status-image.jpg


Comment by wickedpam on 05/05/2011 14:16:41
Quote by Raine:
Quote by wickedpam:
so when the FBI/CIA or whom ever takes out someone on the 10 Most wanted list its an assination?

It should be done by now.
look:
http://www.fbi.gov/wanted/topten/usama-bin-laden/status-image.jpg


wonder who will go up in his place


Comment by Scoopster on 05/05/2011 14:24:30
Quote by wickedpam:
Quote by Raine:
Quote by wickedpam:
so when the FBI/CIA or whom ever takes out someone on the 10 Most wanted list its an assination?

It should be done by now.
look:
http://www.fbi.gov/wanted/topten/usama-bin-laden/status-image.jpg


wonder who will go up in his place

Hopefully Rick Scott or Scott Walker. They're both fucking criminals against the citizens of this country.

Comment by Raine on 05/05/2011 14:28:14
Comment by Raine on 05/05/2011 14:28:46
Jim still acts like this is still the Bush Administration.

Comment by TriSec on 05/05/2011 14:30:54
Come on guys...it's going to be Whitey Bulger.



Comment by Raine on 05/05/2011 14:36:26
Quote by TriSec:
Come on guys...it's going to be Whitey Bulger.

He's already there. Not sure if he ever left the top ten list.


Comment by TriSec on 05/05/2011 14:39:01
He used to be "Public Enemy #1". Then Osama went to the top of the list.

But I forget; there is a vacancy. Only 9 listed today.



Comment by wickedpam on 05/05/2011 14:45:32
MGM

Comment by wickedpam on 05/05/2011 14:59:12
you know if they want to say that bush laid the ground work for the OBL thing by whatever thin threads they can string, then we should be able to say that it was Clinton who started the ball rolling all those years ago at the 1st WTC attack and they only missed him by 15 minutes AND that they told the bush admins that OBL was going to be the most important person they need to watch out for.

Comment by TriSec on 05/05/2011 15:54:45
Why, we've got daytime baseball at Fenway this afternoon!

Comment by Raine on 05/05/2011 16:00:57
Quote by wickedpam:
you know if they want to say that bush laid the ground work for the OBL thing by whatever thin threads they can string, then we should be able to say that it was Clinton who started the ball rolling all those years ago at the 1st WTC attack and they only missed him by 15 minutes AND that they told the bush admins that OBL was going to be the most important person they need to watch out for.
That is true, if they really want to follow that line of thinking.

The problem is they can't follow their own logic. They can't even support the very lies and spin they spew.


Comment by livingonli on 05/05/2011 16:04:51
Good day everyone. Nothing like when kittie butts your head while you're sleeping because she wants attention.

Comment by Raine on 05/05/2011 16:05:18

I'm glad to see such swift action. What the hell is wrong with people? This was horrible.

Comment by Raine on 05/05/2011 16:05:56
Quote by livingonli:
Good day everyone. Nothing like when kittie butts your head while you're sleeping because she wants attention.

now that just reads funny, Liv...

Comment by BobR on 05/05/2011 16:06:22
Quote by livingonli:
Good day everyone. Nothing like when kittie butts your head while you're sleeping because she wants attention.

no, nothing like it at all

Comment by BobR on 05/05/2011 16:15:53
Quote by TriSec:
He used to be "Public Enemy #1". Then Osama went to the top of the list.

But I forget; there is a vacancy. Only 9 listed today.


I don't think the list has a top, per se.

Comment by TriSec on 05/05/2011 17:44:15
I have managed to borrow a wetsuit for Sunday's kayak assessment for the store.

No, there will not be photos. At least I won't freeze to death now.



Comment by TriSec on 05/05/2011 18:19:17
Comment by TriSec on 05/05/2011 18:43:31
Comment by Raine on 05/05/2011 19:23:03
Did you see the link below for the reasoning his associates say he didn;t go? It seems that he is truly immature.

I don't want to see him again, but I would not begrudge him being there. This is time to set this crap aside. Obama made a magnanimous gesture by asking him to be there.

Maybe Bush is getting the hint.


Comment by Raine on 05/05/2011 19:24:18
Bumping this for TriSec:

Quote by Raine:
Why Bush Isn't Going to Ground Zero George W. Bush won't be at Ground Zero with President Obama today "in part because he feels his team is getting short shrift in the decade-long manhunt for Osama Bin Laden," the New York Daily News reports.

Said a highly-placed source: "He viewed this as an Obama victory lap. He doesn't feel personally snubbed and appreciates the invitation, but Obama's claiming all the credit and a lot of other people deserve some of it."

Associates familiar with his thinking say Bush does not believe Obama or his handlers wanted to exploit his presence. But the tag-team idea "was for the benefit of Obama, and Obama withheld credit from people Bush believes deserved it," a source said.
Wow.

I heard that Obama actually asked him. Boy oh boy, Kinda shows who has some class and who doesn't.



Comment by Raine on 05/05/2011 19:44:59
It's been a while since we had puppy cuteness.















http://27.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lkq4skUmjc1qimielo1_400.jpg


Comment by Raine on 05/05/2011 19:53:35
Comment by TriSec on 05/05/2011 19:56:05
The Sox are making their usual rancid smell. I'll note without saying who is in first place. I hate you.



Comment by Raine on 05/05/2011 20:53:02
Semper Fido.


Titanium teeth to boot! These are the Navy SEAL dogs that serve. amazing story.



Comment by LawrenceL on 10/13/2011 06:42:40
A Saddam Hussein look-alike in Egypt was abducted and beaten Sunday for refusing to impersonate the dictator in an adult video clip. The video clip was apparently going to be dispersed to the media as real. I read this here: Egyptian Saddam Hussein look-alike kidnapped to use in sex video.

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