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Ask A Vet
Author: TriSec
Date: 07/05/2011 10:32:57
Good Morning.
Today is our 3,030th day in Iraq, and our 3,558th day in Afghanistan.
We'll start this morning as we always do; with the latest casualty figures from our ongoing wars, courtesy of Antiwar.com:
American Deaths
Since war began (3/19/03): 4469
Since "Mission Accomplished" (5/1/03): 4330
Since Handover (6/29/04): 3610
Since Obama Inauguration (1/20/09): 241
Since Operation New Dawn: 41
Other Coalition Troops - Iraq: 318
US Military Deaths - Afghanistan: 1,649
Other Military Deaths - Afghanistan: 915
Contractor Employee Deaths - Iraq: 1,487
Journalists - Iraq : 348
Academics Killed - Iraq: 448
We find this morning's cost of war passing through:
$ 1, 216, 375, 300, 000 .00
We'll pause over the cots of war this morning. Every now and again, I'll simply sit and stare at the moving total for a moment or two. The total is now moving $10,000 about every two seconds. Think about that for a second; count to 5 and that's $50,000...roughly the median income for individuals in these United States.
Last week, leading into the holiday weekend, a story came out from Brown University (overseer of the 'Cost of War' website), an overview of the ongoing cost of war.
Of course, we all know that in addition to the costs in treasure, there is a cost in lives in war. Afghanistan is proving to be a difficult problem to solve, (something we should maybe consult with the British, or the Russians...but I digress) and despite all the current administration's efforts, 2011 is proving to be not much different from 2010 in that regard.
It's interesting to look at the Fourth in the rear-view mirror today. For the most part, those of us on the home front went about our business, lived our lives, and celebrated our independence. It's been a cliche for so long, it's almost caricature; even Fenway Park paused to remember those "defending our freedoms" overseas.
But with the US under no direct threat of invasion or attack, what is that defense all about these days?
Today is our 3,030th day in Iraq, and our 3,558th day in Afghanistan.
We'll start this morning as we always do; with the latest casualty figures from our ongoing wars, courtesy of Antiwar.com:
American Deaths
Since war began (3/19/03): 4469
Since "Mission Accomplished" (5/1/03): 4330
Since Handover (6/29/04): 3610
Since Obama Inauguration (1/20/09): 241
Since Operation New Dawn: 41
Other Coalition Troops - Iraq: 318
US Military Deaths - Afghanistan: 1,649
Other Military Deaths - Afghanistan: 915
Contractor Employee Deaths - Iraq: 1,487
Journalists - Iraq : 348
Academics Killed - Iraq: 448
We find this morning's cost of war passing through:
We'll pause over the cots of war this morning. Every now and again, I'll simply sit and stare at the moving total for a moment or two. The total is now moving $10,000 about every two seconds. Think about that for a second; count to 5 and that's $50,000...roughly the median income for individuals in these United States.
Last week, leading into the holiday weekend, a story came out from Brown University (overseer of the 'Cost of War' website), an overview of the ongoing cost of war.
NEW YORK — When President Barack Obama cited cost as a reason to bring troops home from Afghanistan, he referred to a $1 trillion price tag for America's wars.
Staggering as it is, that figure grossly underestimates the total cost of wars in Iraq, Afghanistan and Pakistan to the U.S. Treasury and ignores more imposing costs yet to come, according to a study released Wednesday.
The final bill will reach at least $3.7 trillion and could be as high as $4.4 trillion, according to the research project "Costs of War" by Brown University's Watson Institute for International Studies.
In the 10 years since U.S. troops went into Afghanistan to root out the al-Qaida leaders behind the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks, spending on the conflicts totaled $2.3 trillion to $2.7 trillion.
Those numbers will continue to soar when considering often overlooked costs such as long-term obligations to wounded veterans and projected war spending from 2012 through 2020.
The estimates do not include at least $1 trillion more in interest payments coming due and many billions more in expenses that cannot be counted, according to the study.
In human terms, 224,000 to 258,000 people have died directly from warfare, including 125,000 civilians in Iraq.
Many more have died indirectly, from the loss of clean drinking water, healthcare, and nutrition. An additional 365,000 have been wounded and 7.8 million people — equal to the combined population of Connecticut and Kentucky — have been displaced.
"Costs of War" brought together more than 20 academics to uncover the expense of war in lives and dollars, a daunting task given the inconsistent recording of lives lost and what the report called opaque and sloppy accounting by the U.S. Congress and the Pentagon.
The report underlines the extent to which war will continue to stretch the U.S. federal budget, which is already on an unsustainable course due to an aging American population and skyrocketing healthcare costs.
It also raises the question of what the United States gained from its multi-trillion-dollar investment.
"I hope that when we look back, whenever this ends, something very good has come out of it," Senator Bob Corker, a Republican from Tennessee, told Reuters in Washington.
In one sense, the report measures the cost of 9/11, the American shorthand for the events of Sept. 11, 2001.
Nineteen hijackers plus other al-Qaida plotters spent an estimated $400,000 to $500,000 on the plane attacks that killed 2,995 people and caused $50 billion to $100 billion in economic damages.
What followed were three wars in which $50 billion amounts to a rounding error. For every person killed on Sept. 11, another 73 have been killed since.
Of course, we all know that in addition to the costs in treasure, there is a cost in lives in war. Afghanistan is proving to be a difficult problem to solve, (something we should maybe consult with the British, or the Russians...but I digress) and despite all the current administration's efforts, 2011 is proving to be not much different from 2010 in that regard.
KABUL, Afghanistan — Despite U.S. reports of progress on the battlefield, American troops were killed in the first half of this year at the same pace as in 2010 — an indication that the war’s toll on U.S. forces has not eased as the Obama administration moves to shift the burden to the Afghans.
While the overall international death toll dropped by 14 percent in the first half of the year, the number of Americans who died remained virtually unchanged, 197 this year compared with 195 in the first six months of last year, according to a tally by The Associated Press.
Americans have been involved in some of the fiercest fighting as the U.S. administration sent more than 30,000 extra troops in a bid to pacify areas in the Taliban’s southern heartland and other dangerous areas. U.S. military officials have predicted more tough fighting through the summer as the Taliban try to regain territory they have lost.
President Barack Obama has begun to reverse the surge of American forces, ordering a reduction of 10,000 by the end of the year and another 23,000 by September 2012. But the U.S. military has not announced which troops are being sent home, or whether they will be withdrawn from any of the most violent areas in the south and east.
Rear Adm. Vic Beck, a spokesman for the U.S.-led coalition in Kabul, said he couldn’t comment specifically on the U.S. death count, but noted that the casualties were unchanged despite the surge in forces. He attributed the overall decline in the international toll to coalition progress on the battlefield, including the discovery of a rising number of militant weapons caches. He also said Afghan security forces are increasingly taking the lead, although recent violence has raised concerns about their readiness to secure their own country.
Beck said insurgents were shifting their focus to attacking civilians, pointing to last week’s attack against the Inter-Continental, a luxury hotel in Kabul, that left 20 people dead, including the nine assailants.
“The enemy is taking the fight more to innocent Afghan civilians because we’re taking it to them pretty hard on the battlefield,” he said.
According to the AP tally, 271 international troops, including the Americans, were killed in the first half of the year — down 14 percent from the 316 killed in the first six months of last year.
With the American deaths virtually unchanged, the decline reflects a drop off in deaths of troops from other contributing nations. In the first half of the year, 74 of these troops — from countries like Britain, France and Australia — died compared with 121 in the first six months of last year.
It's interesting to look at the Fourth in the rear-view mirror today. For the most part, those of us on the home front went about our business, lived our lives, and celebrated our independence. It's been a cliche for so long, it's almost caricature; even Fenway Park paused to remember those "defending our freedoms" overseas.
But with the US under no direct threat of invasion or attack, what is that defense all about these days?
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Comment by 
wickedpam on 07/05/2011 12:32:22
wickedpam on 07/05/2011 12:32:22
Morning 
Comment by wickedpam on 07/05/2011 13:16:33
wickedpam on 07/05/2011 13:16:33
What do Rick James and Mitt Romney have in common?
hmmmm
Cocaine habit?
hmmmm
Cocaine habit?
Comment by 
TriSec on 07/05/2011 13:19:26
TriSec on 07/05/2011 13:19:26
They like very kinky girls? The kind you won't take home to mother?
Comment by wickedpam on 07/05/2011 13:21:22
wickedpam on 07/05/2011 13:21:22
Quote by TriSec:
They like very kinky girls? The kind you won't take home to mother?
Comment by TriSec on 07/05/2011 13:45:22
TriSec on 07/05/2011 13:45:22
An interesting firework display in Waltham last nite...
It started right on time at 9:30, and seemed to be progressing well. About 15 minutes in, it seemed like everything was going off at once; huge explosions, pillars of fire, the whole works. I commented to our neighbor that they seemed to be going off awfully low in the sky.
Then it abruptly stopped. There were 3 or 4 more starshells, and that was it...about 10 minutes early, too. I heard the crowd chattering "that's it?". It did feel that something went wrong.
And the big fireworks barge in Boston caught fire this morning; messed up some am traffic, but it was put out. Just one alarm, no injuries. Of course, it was a barge in the middle of the river.
It started right on time at 9:30, and seemed to be progressing well. About 15 minutes in, it seemed like everything was going off at once; huge explosions, pillars of fire, the whole works. I commented to our neighbor that they seemed to be going off awfully low in the sky.
Then it abruptly stopped. There were 3 or 4 more starshells, and that was it...about 10 minutes early, too. I heard the crowd chattering "that's it?". It did feel that something went wrong.
And the big fireworks barge in Boston caught fire this morning; messed up some am traffic, but it was put out. Just one alarm, no injuries. Of course, it was a barge in the middle of the river.
Comment by 
Raine on 07/05/2011 13:49:22
good morning!
Raine on 07/05/2011 13:49:22
good morning! 
Comment by TriSec on 07/05/2011 14:23:04
TriSec on 07/05/2011 14:23:04
Well, what do you know?
I just spooled up WCRB (classical) and managed to catch an old-school test of the National Emergency Broadcast System. (remember those?)
Here is your emergency tone: FWEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEP!
I just spooled up WCRB (classical) and managed to catch an old-school test of the National Emergency Broadcast System. (remember those?)
Here is your emergency tone: FWEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEP!
Comment by wickedpam on 07/05/2011 14:24:27
wickedpam on 07/05/2011 14:24:27
klassy 
Comment by TriSec on 07/05/2011 14:25:57
TriSec on 07/05/2011 14:25:57
Raine: WTF?? 
Well, everything I learned about Christianity I learned watching "The Passion of the Christ".
I thought I heard some patriots whirring in their sarcophogi as we cycled past this Saturday.
Well, everything I learned about Christianity I learned watching "The Passion of the Christ".
I thought I heard some patriots whirring in their sarcophogi as we cycled past this Saturday.
Comment by Raine on 07/05/2011 14:38:27
That is a great point, Tri.
I don;t know what I find more disturbing, the Tshirts, or the Tea Party Fox news sign.
Raine on 07/05/2011 14:38:27
Quote by TriSec:
Raine: WTF??
Well, everything I learned about Christianity I learned watching "The Passion of the Christ".
I thought I heard some patriots whirring in their sarcophogi as we cycled past this Saturday.
I don;t know what I find more disturbing, the Tshirts, or the Tea Party Fox news sign.
Comment by wickedpam on 07/05/2011 14:46:47
wickedpam on 07/05/2011 14:46:47
I don't think that true Hal, I'm christian and I believe in evolution.
Comment by wickedpam on 07/05/2011 14:49:13
They have to be selling them somewhere online - I googled Kentucky tea party and all I found was the usual stuff. This is probably on like cafe press or zazzle by another name. Or this guy owns a press shop
wickedpam on 07/05/2011 14:49:13
Quote by Raine:That is a great point, Tri.Quote by TriSec:
Raine: WTF??
Well, everything I learned about Christianity I learned watching "The Passion of the Christ".
I thought I heard some patriots whirring in their sarcophogi as we cycled past this Saturday.
I don;t know what I find more disturbing, the Tshirts, or the Tea Party Fox news sign.
They have to be selling them somewhere online - I googled Kentucky tea party and all I found was the usual stuff. This is probably on like cafe press or zazzle by another name. Or this guy owns a press shop
Comment by wickedpam on 07/05/2011 14:50:41
wickedpam on 07/05/2011 14:50:41
Is Hal saying Johnny Rotten and Sid were posers?
Comment by 
velveeta jones on 07/05/2011 14:58:56
velveeta jones on 07/05/2011 14:58:56
Didn't get to see one stinking firework!
Comment by velveeta jones on 07/05/2011 15:03:15
Here's some nice stuff for ya, Pam!
velveeta jones on 07/05/2011 15:03:15
Quote by wickedpam:
They have to be selling them somewhere online - I googled Kentucky tea party and all I found was the usual stuff. This is probably on like cafe press or zazzle by another name. Or this guy owns a press shop
Here's some nice stuff for ya, Pam!
Comment by wickedpam on 07/05/2011 15:03:32
neither did I really, unless you count the ones the kids next door light off on the sidewalk
wickedpam on 07/05/2011 15:03:32
Quote by velveeta jones:
Didn't get to see one stinking firework!
neither did I really, unless you count the ones the kids next door light off on the sidewalk
Comment by TriSec on 07/05/2011 15:07:29
Aren't you in NC? There's fireworks stores on every corner there, no? (and porn shops and Bible colleges, but I digress.)
TriSec on 07/05/2011 15:07:29
Quote by velveeta jones:
Didn't get to see one stinking firework!
Aren't you in NC? There's fireworks stores on every corner there, no? (and porn shops and Bible colleges, but I digress.)
Comment by wickedpam on 07/05/2011 15:09:25
eek - some of that stuff doesn't make sense, some is offense and the rest is just over designed - all in all its a waste of irony when those items are just made in China
wickedpam on 07/05/2011 15:09:25
Quote by velveeta jones:Quote by wickedpam:
They have to be selling them somewhere online - I googled Kentucky tea party and all I found was the usual stuff. This is probably on like cafe press or zazzle by another name. Or this guy owns a press shop
Here's some nice stuff for ya, Pam!
eek - some of that stuff doesn't make sense, some is offense and the rest is just over designed - all in all its a waste of irony when those items are just made in China
Comment by TriSec on 07/05/2011 15:09:44
Well, I might wear the TSA one. Like I was saying on my July 2nd blog, I'm really pissed that they've co-opted so many of our revolutionary symbols for their incorrect representations.
TriSec on 07/05/2011 15:09:44
Quote by velveeta jones:
Here's some nice stuff for ya, Pam!
Well, I might wear the TSA one. Like I was saying on my July 2nd blog, I'm really pissed that they've co-opted so many of our revolutionary symbols for their incorrect representations.
Comment by Raine on 07/05/2011 15:11:08
Hal, the guy who worships KISS? 
Raine on 07/05/2011 15:11:08
Quote by wickedpam:
Is Hal saying Johnny Rotten and Sid were posers?
Comment by wickedpam on 07/05/2011 15:13:22
seriously, Poison has the best punk album of the 80's? I thought they were pop metal?
wickedpam on 07/05/2011 15:13:22
Quote by Raine:Hal, the guy who worships KISS?Quote by wickedpam:
Is Hal saying Johnny Rotten and Sid were posers?
seriously, Poison has the best punk album of the 80's? I thought they were pop metal?
Comment by Raine on 07/05/2011 15:19:56
Did he REALLY say that? I walked away. HOLY goodness!
Look I know that Hal's music style isn't to my personal tastes, but that is just wrong. On EVERY level.
Raine on 07/05/2011 15:19:56
Quote by wickedpam:Quote by Raine:Hal, the guy who worships KISS?Quote by wickedpam:
Is Hal saying Johnny Rotten and Sid were posers?
seriously, Poison has the best punk album of the 80's? I thought they were pop metal?
Look I know that Hal's music style isn't to my personal tastes, but that is just wrong. On EVERY level.
Comment by TriSec on 07/05/2011 15:21:57
TriSec on 07/05/2011 15:21:57
The 80s?
First, there was Duran Duran. (Yes, one of the few "blokes" that liked the Duraners.)
Then Purple Rain came out my graduation summer....and that changed everything.
First, there was Duran Duran. (Yes, one of the few "blokes" that liked the Duraners.)
Then Purple Rain came out my graduation summer....and that changed everything.
Comment by wickedpam on 07/05/2011 15:24:39
yep - he said that to Charlie Pierce - I think that's one of the most shocking things he said
wickedpam on 07/05/2011 15:24:39
Quote by Raine:Did he REALLY say that? I walked away. HOLY goodness!Quote by wickedpam:Quote by Raine:Hal, the guy who worships KISS?Quote by wickedpam:
Is Hal saying Johnny Rotten and Sid were posers?
seriously, Poison has the best punk album of the 80's? I thought they were pop metal?
Look I know that Hal's music style isn't to my personal tastes, but that is just wrong. On EVERY level.
yep - he said that to Charlie Pierce - I think that's one of the most shocking things he said
Comment by TriSec on 07/05/2011 15:32:24
TriSec on 07/05/2011 15:32:24
A bad Fourth in the City of Boston...
In the space of just five hours on the night that the nation celebrates its birth, 13 people were shot and stabbed in five of Boston's neighborhoods - and four died, according to Boston police.
Boston Police Commissioner Edward Davis and his command staff are looking at the individual acts of violence to see if they are connected in any way, said Elaine Driscoll, police spokeswoman.
"Investigators are trying to sort what happened on the street last night and over the weekend," she said. "The police commissioner is meeting with his command staff and district level detectives to analyze each incident and figure out what the relationships are."
The identities of the victims - deceased or alive - were not released today.
Comment by TriSec on 07/05/2011 15:45:55
TriSec on 07/05/2011 15:45:55
Oh, great.
Asbestos-contaminated town gets re-contaminated as cleanup nears end.
Asbestos-contaminated town gets re-contaminated as cleanup nears end.
LIBBY, MONT. — For a decade, the people of Libby have longed for the day when they will be rid of the asbestos that turned their town into the deadliest Superfund site in America.
Now they are being forced to live through the agony all over again, thanks to two giant piles of bark and wood chips on the edge of town.
An Associated Press investigation found that the federal government has known for at least three years that the wood piles were contaminated with an unknown level of asbestos, even as Libby residents hauled truckload after truckload of the material away from the site and placed it in yards, in city parks, outside schools and at the local cemetery. The Environmental Protection Agency did not stop the removal of the material until the AP began investigating in early March.
Regulators still do not know what effect the material could have on public health, but EPA documents obtained by the AP showed that the agency found potentially deadly asbestos fibers in four of 20 samples taken from the piles of scrap wood in 2007. The sprawling piles came from a now-defunct timber mill that took thousands of trees from a forest tainted with asbestos from a nearby mine.
Comment by Raine on 07/05/2011 15:52:00
Raine on 07/05/2011 15:52:00
BTW, Thursday I will be a guest on Shane-o's Show along with Leftneck chick and Jacob Dean, Associate Producer of the Thom Hartmann Show!
:)
:)
Comment by Raine on 07/05/2011 16:50:29
Raine on 07/05/2011 16:50:29
So I killt the blog. 
Comment by 
livingonli on 07/05/2011 16:51:54
livingonli on 07/05/2011 16:51:54
Good day folks. It's hot and humid and I feel like sleeping. I missed Hal's comment and as someone who preferred punk over hair metal in the 80;s (and still do) I would have to dispute that comment.
Comment by TriSec on 07/05/2011 16:55:27
TriSec on 07/05/2011 16:55:27
*grunt*
I have yet to be on with Shane-O. LNC loves me, though.
I have yet to be on with Shane-O. LNC loves me, though.
Comment by Raine on 07/05/2011 16:55:38
Hal is right on the money in many many cases, this time --
WRONG!
Raine on 07/05/2011 16:55:38
Quote by livingonli:
Good day folks. It's hot and humid and I feel like sleeping. I missed Hal's comment and as someone who preferred punk over hair metal in the 80;s (and still do) I would have to dispute that comment.
WRONG!
Comment by Raine on 07/05/2011 16:56:57
Give it time, Tri. Shane only does a few hours one day a week! LNC however! She is a damn machine!
And I think we should make definitive plans to have a talk friday nite. FOR REAL this time!
Raine on 07/05/2011 16:56:57
Quote by TriSec:
*grunt*
I have yet to be on with Shane-O. LNC loves me, though.
And I think we should make definitive plans to have a talk friday nite. FOR REAL this time!
Comment by wickedpam on 07/05/2011 16:58:25
we were sitting in awe of your internet fame
(you know I'm joking around right - dry humor does not translate well to internet )
wickedpam on 07/05/2011 16:58:25
Quote by Raine:
So I killt the blog.
we were sitting in awe of your internet fame
(you know I'm joking around right - dry humor does not translate well to internet
)
Comment by 
trojanrabbit on 07/05/2011 16:59:07
trojanrabbit on 07/05/2011 16:59:07
Damn, I wanted OJ this morning.
All 4 cartons of OJ in the cafeteria were dated July 4.
Damn.
Today is the "Invasion of the Co-ops" at work as the previous "semester's" co-ops have gone back to school and they're replaced for the next 6 months. Think there's 4 or 5 of 'em. Mostly from Northeastern University.
All 4 cartons of OJ in the cafeteria were dated July 4.
Damn.
Today is the "Invasion of the Co-ops" at work as the previous "semester's" co-ops have gone back to school and they're replaced for the next 6 months. Think there's 4 or 5 of 'em. Mostly from Northeastern University.
Comment by TriSec on 07/05/2011 17:18:30
TriSec on 07/05/2011 17:18:30
Aw, a day over the freshness date won't kill you.
But I'd pass if it was green juice.
But I'd pass if it was green juice.
Comment by Raine on 07/05/2011 17:29:47
Dry Humor translates quite well here. And between you and I!
Raine on 07/05/2011 17:29:47
Quote by wickedpam:Quote by Raine:
So I killt the blog.
we were sitting in awe of your internet fame
(you know I'm joking around right - dry humor does not translate well to internet
Comment by Raine on 07/05/2011 17:30:49
Raine on 07/05/2011 17:30:49
I'm actually excited and NErvous, it should be a good show... Let me put it this way, I am brushing up on the federalist papers.
and tha tis all I'll say about that.
and tha tis all I'll say about that.
Comment by wickedpam on 07/05/2011 17:39:12
You'll do great! I listened when you and SHane subbed for Nicole - you were really good
wickedpam on 07/05/2011 17:39:12
Quote by Raine:
I'm actually excited and NErvous, it should be a good show... Let me put it this way, I am brushing up on the federalist papers.
and tha tis all I'll say about that.
You'll do great! I listened when you and SHane subbed for Nicole - you were really good
Comment by wickedpam on 07/05/2011 17:39:49
Yay! We speak blog!
wickedpam on 07/05/2011 17:39:49
Quote by Raine:Dry Humor translates quite well here. And between you and I!Quote by wickedpam:Quote by Raine:
So I killt the blog.
we were sitting in awe of your internet fame
(you know I'm joking around right - dry humor does not translate well to internet
Yay! We speak blog!
Comment by TriSec on 07/05/2011 17:46:26
TriSec on 07/05/2011 17:46:26
If anyone is following, a verdict is coming out in the Casey Anthony trial at about 2:15...
Less than 24 hours deliberation. I'd venture a guess what that means.
Less than 24 hours deliberation. I'd venture a guess what that means.
Comment by Raine on 07/05/2011 18:13:54
I can't believe it took that long, to be honest.
Raine on 07/05/2011 18:13:54
Quote by TriSec:
If anyone is following, a verdict is coming out in the Casey Anthony trial at about 2:15...
Less than 24 hours deliberation. I'd venture a guess what that means.
I can't believe it took that long, to be honest.
Comment by Raine on 07/05/2011 18:20:30
Raine on 07/05/2011 18:20:30
Still waiting to here the official report, but just saw this: @breakingnews: DEVELOPING: Casey Anthony found not guilty of 1stdegree murder in death of her child - NBC News http://on.msnbc.com/khzBEm
Comment by Raine on 07/05/2011 18:21:42
Raine on 07/05/2011 18:21:42
And there it is. Not guilty of 1st degree murder and not guilty of Chid abuse.
seriously. wtf.
seriously. wtf.
Comment by TriSec on 07/05/2011 18:23:34
TriSec on 07/05/2011 18:23:34
Palm Beach Post has been on top of this all along....updates are now seriously delayed.
Good to know that if I need to kill a child, Florida is a safe state to do it in.
Good to know that if I need to kill a child, Florida is a safe state to do it in.
Comment by wickedpam on 07/05/2011 18:23:44
seriously?
I didn't follow any of the trial but what the hell happened? I thought the DA had solid evidence?
wickedpam on 07/05/2011 18:23:44
Quote by Raine:
And there it is. Not guilty of 1st degree murder and not guilty of Chid abuse.
seriously. wtf.
seriously?
I didn't follow any of the trial but what the hell happened? I thought the DA had solid evidence?
Comment by trojanrabbit on 07/05/2011 18:27:19
Well, there's been lots of turnover in the cafeteria lately. Not taking chances.
Mildly surprised that CBS did the Boston Pops fireworks last night in HD. They didn't last year.
trojanrabbit on 07/05/2011 18:27:19
Quote by TriSec:
Aw, a day over the freshness date won't kill you.
But I'd pass if it was green juice.
Well, there's been lots of turnover in the cafeteria lately. Not taking chances.
Mildly surprised that CBS did the Boston Pops fireworks last night in HD. They didn't last year.
Comment by trojanrabbit on 07/05/2011 18:29:10
Known as "God's Waiting Room" for both young and old.
*ducks incoming*
trojanrabbit on 07/05/2011 18:29:10
Quote by TriSec:
Palm Beach Post has been on top of this all along....updates are now seriously delayed.
Good to know that if I need to kill a child, Florida is a safe state to do it in.
Known as "God's Waiting Room" for both young and old.
*ducks incoming*
Comment by Raine on 07/05/2011 18:30:48
Raine on 07/05/2011 18:30:48
I didn't follow the trial either. What I know is that after 30+ days, she reported this little girl missing -- they found the body someplace, and supposedly it was determined that she drowned in a pool and the body was hidden.
the sticking point for me was who the HELL reports a child missing after over a month, much less a MOTHER? JUST for that she should be found guilty of total and complete negligence.
the sticking point for me was who the HELL reports a child missing after over a month, much less a MOTHER? JUST for that she should be found guilty of total and complete negligence.
Comment by wickedpam on 07/05/2011 18:33:51
agreed. How did the neighbors not notice? How did either set of grandparents not notice? Where's the father? Friends of the family? Other family members?
This poor baby got no justice.
wickedpam on 07/05/2011 18:33:51
Quote by Raine:
I didn't follow the trial either. What I know is that after 30+ days, she reported this little girl missing -- they found the body someplace, and supposedly it was determined that she drowned in a pool and the body was hidden.
the sticking point for me was who the HELL reports a child missing after over a month, much less a MOTHER? JUST for that she should be found guilty of total and complete negligence.
agreed. How did the neighbors not notice? How did either set of grandparents not notice? Where's the father? Friends of the family? Other family members?
This poor baby got no justice.
Comment by 
Mondobubba on 07/05/2011 18:36:02
Ah, Florida! When you have minute google "aurelia wilson." DCFS completely screwed the dog on that one. I mean the poor dog walked bow legged for weeks when DCFS was done.
So this sorta thing is about par for the course here.
Mondobubba on 07/05/2011 18:36:02
Quote by Raine:
I didn't follow the trial either. What I know is that after 30+ days, she reported this little girl missing -- they found the body someplace, and supposedly it was determined that she drowned in a pool and the body was hidden.
the sticking point for me was who the HELL reports a child missing after over a month, much less a MOTHER? JUST for that she should be found guilty of total and complete negligence.
Ah, Florida! When you have minute google "aurelia wilson." DCFS completely screwed the dog on that one. I mean the poor dog walked bow legged for weeks when DCFS was done.
So this sorta thing is about par for the course here.
Comment by TriSec on 07/05/2011 18:44:41
TriSec on 07/05/2011 18:44:41
Well, next comes the Lifetime Move, the book deal, and the mountains of cash.
Ain't that America!
Ain't that America!
Comment by TriSec on 07/05/2011 18:54:56
TriSec on 07/05/2011 18:54:56
And now, Bob and the rest of the crack 4F scientific research department need to start working on a way to transport Mondo, Disney World, and any significant cultural artifacts someplace sensible.
Comment by TriSec on 07/05/2011 19:02:29
TriSec on 07/05/2011 19:02:29
Oh, dear.
BOSTON -- A Military recruiting office in Waltham has been evacuated after a suspicious package was found Tuesday, police said.
The package was sent to the office at 633 Main St. Waltham Police said the office received an envelope in the mail that was addressed to an unknown person and was bulky.
There have been no reports of any injuries.
NewsCenter 5 and TheBostonChannel.com will have more information when it becomes available.
Comment by trojanrabbit on 07/05/2011 19:09:13
The same type of people that don't notice there was a dead person at the bottom of a state-run swimming pool for a few days?
To be fair, the water was cloudy.
trojanrabbit on 07/05/2011 19:09:13
Quote by wickedpam:Quote by Raine:
I didn't follow the trial either. What I know is that after 30+ days, she reported this little girl missing -- they found the body someplace, and supposedly it was determined that she drowned in a pool and the body was hidden.
the sticking point for me was who the HELL reports a child missing after over a month, much less a MOTHER? JUST for that she should be found guilty of total and complete negligence.
agreed. How did the neighbors not notice? How did either set of grandparents not notice? Where's the father? Friends of the family? Other family members?
This poor baby got no justice.
The same type of people that don't notice there was a dead person at the bottom of a state-run swimming pool for a few days?
To be fair, the water was cloudy.
Comment by livingonli on 07/05/2011 19:19:52
livingonli on 07/05/2011 19:19:52
I step away from the internets and look what happens. And now I doubt I would retire in Florida since it seems like such a fucked-up state. After all, just look at the governor although apparently a lot of Floridians are having buyers remorse about him like the other teabaggers in charge.
Comment by Raine on 07/05/2011 19:22:42
That is a whole different set of F*cked up.
Coincidentally, our local pool had a similar situation, with far better results. Thank god..
What wasn't told in that story was that a 12 year old girl saw the child and alerted the lifeguards, who took immediate action.
she is a little hero for paying attention.
Raine on 07/05/2011 19:22:42
Quote by trojanrabbit:
The same type of people that don't notice there was a dead person at the bottom of a state-run swimming pool for a few days?
To be fair, the water was cloudy.
That is a whole different set of F*cked up.
Coincidentally, our local pool had a similar situation, with far better results. Thank god..
What wasn't told in that story was that a 12 year old girl saw the child and alerted the lifeguards, who took immediate action.
she is a little hero for paying attention.
Comment by TriSec on 07/05/2011 19:28:37
That's what kills me about our story. I've swum in murky lakes and the North Atlantic Ocean, where visibility is similar to what that pool had. The lifeguards just ignored the 9-year-old. Not even due diligence to do a sweep to see if he was making it up or not.
Water safety is something I don't mess around with; since Javi went in the pool the first time, I've told him that "help" is something you never fool around with in the water. Only say it if you mean it.
TriSec on 07/05/2011 19:28:37
Quote by Raine:
That is a whole different set of F*cked up.
Coincidentally, our local pool had a similar situation, with far better results. Thank god..
What wasn't told in that story was that a 12 year old girl saw the child and alerted the lifeguards, who took immediate action.
That's what kills me about our story. I've swum in murky lakes and the North Atlantic Ocean, where visibility is similar to what that pool had. The lifeguards just ignored the 9-year-old. Not even due diligence to do a sweep to see if he was making it up or not.
Water safety is something I don't mess around with; since Javi went in the pool the first time, I've told him that "help" is something you never fool around with in the water. Only say it if you mean it.
Comment by Raine on 07/05/2011 19:33:31
Raine on 07/05/2011 19:33:31
Totally and completely agreed, Tri. I was a certified Lifeguard -- to this day that training stays with me. Water safety is incredibly important.
Comment by Raine on 07/05/2011 19:37:54
Raine on 07/05/2011 19:37:54
Mala: (hedz up) TRAFFIC ALERT: For those who didn't see our earlier post, I-66 WESTBOUND is closed in Fairfax County at Lee Jackson Highway due to a tractor-trailer fire. Truck hauling hay went up in flames
Comment by wickedpam on 07/05/2011 19:46:00
hmm - that may mess up the Ffx Co Parkway - ick!
wickedpam on 07/05/2011 19:46:00
Quote by Raine:
Mala: (hedz up) TRAFFIC ALERT: For those who didn't see our earlier post, I-66 WESTBOUND is closed in Fairfax County at Lee Jackson Highway due to a tractor-trailer fire. Truck hauling hay went up in flames
hmm - that may mess up the Ffx Co Parkway - ick!
Comment by wickedpam on 07/05/2011 19:47:31
only made it the Jr. Lifesaver - somewhere I still have the little cards and I know how to inflate my jeans and use them as a floatation device
wickedpam on 07/05/2011 19:47:31
Quote by Raine:
Totally and completely agreed, Tri. I was a certified Lifeguard -- to this day that training stays with me. Water safety is incredibly important.
only made it the Jr. Lifesaver - somewhere I still have the little cards and I know how to inflate my jeans and use them as a floatation device
Comment by TriSec on 07/05/2011 19:52:04
TriSec on 07/05/2011 19:52:04
I earned this, but never did BSA Lifeguard as a youth. I can still do it as an adult, however. It's on my list.
Comment by livingonli on 07/05/2011 19:57:44
livingonli on 07/05/2011 19:57:44
And I just float around in the pool like a beached whale. 
Comment by TriSec on 07/05/2011 20:02:41
TriSec on 07/05/2011 20:02:41
Some were made to swim.
Others drift about in bliss.
Don't drown though; that's bad.
Others drift about in bliss.
Don't drown though; that's bad.
Comment by Raine on 07/05/2011 20:09:05
Raine on 07/05/2011 20:09:05
Quote by TriSec:
Some were made to swim.
Others drift about in bliss.
Don't drown though; that's bad.
Comment by Mondobubba on 07/05/2011 20:18:25
What are these cultural artifacts of which you speak, Sir? Okay the Dali Museum &, the Ringling Bros. Museum. Disney is on the bubble. It would be nice if was closer to you, but there is all that tat that goes along with it. Me the whole state could slide into the sea for all I care.
Fun Florida fact: Durring Jim Crow Florida was one of the most dangerous states for African-American is the South. In a 5 year period during the Depression had something like 279 lynching that were reported as such. Mondo has a book recommedation for you, "The Warmth of Other Suns" by Isabel Wilkerson.
Mondobubba on 07/05/2011 20:18:25
Quote by TriSec:
And now, Bob and the rest of the crack 4F scientific research department need to start working on a way to transport Mondo, Disney World, and any significant cultural artifacts someplace sensible.
What are these cultural artifacts of which you speak, Sir? Okay the Dali Museum &, the Ringling Bros. Museum. Disney is on the bubble. It would be nice if was closer to you, but there is all that tat that goes along with it. Me the whole state could slide into the sea for all I care.
Fun Florida fact: Durring Jim Crow Florida was one of the most dangerous states for African-American is the South. In a 5 year period during the Depression had something like 279 lynching that were reported as such. Mondo has a book recommedation for you, "The Warmth of Other Suns" by Isabel Wilkerson.
Comment by Raine on 07/05/2011 20:21:51
Raine on 07/05/2011 20:21:51
Obama Campaign Website hacked.
We've written about this before, and this further proves the oint that this is getting out of hand. GottaLaff makes a good point -- Think about that.
I am so sick of this bullshit.
We've written about this before, and this further proves the oint that this is getting out of hand. GottaLaff makes a good point --
Stating the obvious, hacking is a serious problem, one that is tougher and tougher to deal with. And if it’s become this easy and prevalent, imagine what hackers are capable of doing to those lovely Diebold voting machines.
I am so sick of this bullshit.
Comment by 
BobR on 07/05/2011 20:23:53
BobR on 07/05/2011 20:23:53
Quote by TriSec:
Some were made to swim.
Others drift about in bliss.
Don't drown though; that's bad.
Comment by BobR on 07/05/2011 20:27:31
I've never once ever considered living in Florida. The heat is a killer, the rednecks are legion, and the bugs and other critters are almost as bad as Australia. It's a great place to go to the beach, but after a week or two I need civilization again.
BobR on 07/05/2011 20:27:31
Quote by livingonli:
I step away from the internets and look what happens. And now I doubt I would retire in Florida since it seems like such a fucked-up state. After all, just look at the governor although apparently a lot of Floridians are having buyers remorse about him like the other teabaggers in charge.
I've never once ever considered living in Florida. The heat is a killer, the rednecks are legion, and the bugs and other critters are almost as bad as Australia. It's a great place to go to the beach, but after a week or two I need civilization again.
Comment by Raine on 07/05/2011 20:28:50
I would like to keep the Edison & Ford estates and Museum. -- Especially the Laboratory, Goldenrod and the Banyan tree.
Raine on 07/05/2011 20:28:50
Quote by Mondobubba:
What are these cultural artifacts of which you speak, Sir? Okay the Dali Museum &, the Ringling Bros. Museum. Disney is on the bubble. It would be nice if was closer to you, but there is all that tat that goes along with it. Me the whole state could slide into the sea for all I care.
Fun Florida fact: Durring Jim Crow Florida was one of the most dangerous states for African-American is the South. In a 5 year period during the Depression had something like 279 lynching that were reported as such. Mondo has a book recommedation for you, "The Warmth of Other Suns" by Isabel Wilkerson.
Comment by BobR on 07/05/2011 20:29:02
Yes, the Dali museum, and the gulf coast beaches. The rest of it is South Carolina with a sunburn.
BobR on 07/05/2011 20:29:02
Quote by Mondobubba:Quote by TriSec:
And now, Bob and the rest of the crack 4F scientific research department need to start working on a way to transport Mondo, Disney World, and any significant cultural artifacts someplace sensible.
What are these cultural artifacts of which you speak, Sir? Okay the Dali Museum &, the Ringling Bros. Museum. Disney is on the bubble. It would be nice if was closer to you, but there is all that tat that goes along with it. Me the whole state could slide into the sea for all I care.
Fun Florida fact: Durring Jim Crow Florida was one of the most dangerous states for African-American is the South. In a 5 year period during the Depression had something like 279 lynching that were reported as such. Mondo has a book recommedation for you, "The Warmth of Other Suns" by Isabel Wilkerson.
Yes, the Dali museum, and the gulf coast beaches. The rest of it is South Carolina with a sunburn.
Comment by BobR on 07/05/2011 20:29:48
We've known about those voting machines since 2004 (and 2002 was the trial run).
BobR on 07/05/2011 20:29:48
Quote by Raine:
Obama Campaign Website hacked.
We've written about this before, and this further proves the oint that this is getting out of hand. GottaLaff makes a good point --Think about that.Stating the obvious, hacking is a serious problem, one that is tougher and tougher to deal with. And if it’s become this easy and prevalent, imagine what hackers are capable of doing to those lovely Diebold voting machines.
I am so sick of this bullshit.
We've known about those voting machines since 2004 (and 2002 was the trial run).
Comment by wickedpam on 07/05/2011 20:33:50
And we need to rescue all the animals and fish from Sea World
wickedpam on 07/05/2011 20:33:50
Quote by Raine:I would like to keep the Edison & Ford estates and Museum. -- Especially the Laboratory, Goldenrod and the Banyan tree.Quote by Mondobubba:
What are these cultural artifacts of which you speak, Sir? Okay the Dali Museum &, the Ringling Bros. Museum. Disney is on the bubble. It would be nice if was closer to you, but there is all that tat that goes along with it. Me the whole state could slide into the sea for all I care.
Fun Florida fact: Durring Jim Crow Florida was one of the most dangerous states for African-American is the South. In a 5 year period during the Depression had something like 279 lynching that were reported as such. Mondo has a book recommedation for you, "The Warmth of Other Suns" by Isabel Wilkerson.
And we need to rescue all the animals and fish from Sea World
Comment by Mondobubba on 07/05/2011 20:41:38
Bob, while the Gulf Coast beaches are beautiful, there is a reason they are called the Redneck Riviera.
Mondobubba on 07/05/2011 20:41:38
Quote by BobR:Quote by Mondobubba:Quote by TriSec:
And now, Bob and the rest of the crack 4F scientific research department need to start working on a way to transport Mondo, Disney World, and any significant cultural artifacts someplace sensible.
\What are these cultural artifacts of which you speak, Sir? Okay the Dali Museum &, the Ringling Bros. Museum. Disney is on the bubble. It would be nice if was closer to you, but there is all that tat that goes along with it. Me the whole state could slide into the sea for all I care.
Fun Florida fact: Durring Jim Crow Florida was one of the most dangerous states for African-American is the South. In a 5 year period during the Depression had something like 279 lynching that were reported as such. Mondo has a book recommedation for you, "The Warmth of Other Suns" by Isabel Wilkerson.
Yes, the Dali museum, and the gulf coast beaches. The rest of it is South Carolina with a sunburn.
Bob, while the Gulf Coast beaches are beautiful, there is a reason they are called the Redneck Riviera.
Comment by livingonli on 07/05/2011 20:43:15
I know someone who lives in South Florida who used to work with me and he says that during the summer they all stay inside in the air-conditioning because it's so humid. It's like how some of us stay inside during the winter up here like me because we hate the cold and snow. When I get older, I want to get away from it but all the areas that people retire to are full of reactionary rednecks which may leave either Vegas or SoCal as the places to get away from the winter.
Also, I just heard that the Orlando main public television station WMFE is switching affiliation to religious broadcaster Daystar because they can no longer afford to pay the fees to PBS so Orlando will have 4 religious broadcasters but either no primary PBS station or a very weak PBS station.
livingonli on 07/05/2011 20:43:15
Quote by BobR:Quote by livingonli:
I step away from the internets and look what happens. And now I doubt I would retire in Florida since it seems like such a fucked-up state. After all, just look at the governor although apparently a lot of Floridians are having buyers remorse about him like the other teabaggers in charge.
I've never once ever considered living in Florida. The heat is a killer, the rednecks are legion, and the bugs and other critters are almost as bad as Australia. It's a great place to go to the beach, but after a week or two I need civilization again.
I know someone who lives in South Florida who used to work with me and he says that during the summer they all stay inside in the air-conditioning because it's so humid. It's like how some of us stay inside during the winter up here like me because we hate the cold and snow. When I get older, I want to get away from it but all the areas that people retire to are full of reactionary rednecks which may leave either Vegas or SoCal as the places to get away from the winter.
Also, I just heard that the Orlando main public television station WMFE is switching affiliation to religious broadcaster Daystar because they can no longer afford to pay the fees to PBS so Orlando will have 4 religious broadcasters but either no primary PBS station or a very weak PBS station.
Comment by trojanrabbit on 07/05/2011 20:48:16
You do realize the best way to combat global climate change is to ignore it.
Who needs fancy book larnin'. I done gradiated 6th grade.
trojanrabbit on 07/05/2011 20:48:16
Quote by livingonli:Quote by BobR:Quote by livingonli:
I step away from the internets and look what happens. And now I doubt I would retire in Florida since it seems like such a fucked-up state. After all, just look at the governor although apparently a lot of Floridians are having buyers remorse about him like the other teabaggers in charge.
I've never once ever considered living in Florida. The heat is a killer, the rednecks are legion, and the bugs and other critters are almost as bad as Australia. It's a great place to go to the beach, but after a week or two I need civilization again.
I know someone who lives in South Florida who used to work with me and he says that during the summer they all stay inside in the air-conditioning because it's so humid. It's like how some of us stay inside during the winter up here like me because we hate the cold and snow. When I get older, I want to get away from it but all the areas that people retire to are full of reactionary rednecks which may leave either Vegas or SoCal as the places to get away from the winter.
Also, I just heard that the Orlando main public television station WMFE is switching affiliation to religious broadcaster Daystar because they can no longer afford to pay the fees to PBS so Orlando will have 4 religious broadcasters but either no primary PBS station or a very weak PBS station.
You do realize the best way to combat global climate change is to ignore it.
Who needs fancy book larnin'. I done gradiated 6th grade.
Comment by Raine on 07/05/2011 20:48:43
I thought that was the panhandle?
oh yeah, and I want Key West. Actually -- ALL the keys.
Raine on 07/05/2011 20:48:43
Quote by Mondobubba:Bob, while the Gulf Coast beaches are beautiful, there is a reason they are called the Redneck Riviera.Quote by BobR:Quote by Mondobubba:Quote by TriSec:
And now, Bob and the rest of the crack 4F scientific research department need to start working on a way to transport Mondo, Disney World, and any significant cultural artifacts someplace sensible.
What are these cultural artifacts of which you speak, Sir? Okay the Dali Museum &, the Ringling Bros. Museum. Disney is on the bubble. It would be nice if was closer to you, but there is all that tat that goes along with it. Me the whole state could slide into the sea for all I care.
Fun Florida fact: Durring Jim Crow Florida was one of the most dangerous states for African-American is the South. In a 5 year period during the Depression had something like 279 lynching that were reported as such. Mondo has a book recommedation for you, "The Warmth of Other Suns" by Isabel Wilkerson.
Yes, the Dali museum, and the gulf coast beaches. The rest of it is South Carolina with a sunburn.
oh yeah, and I want Key West. Actually -- ALL the keys.
Comment by trojanrabbit on 07/05/2011 20:50:18
trojanrabbit on 07/05/2011 20:50:18
Time to fight the rest of the massholes on 128/I-95.
Comment by Mondobubba on 07/05/2011 20:56:08
That does start up around the Big Bend. Over all the Gulf Coast is much redder than the Atlantic coast.
Mondobubba on 07/05/2011 20:56:08
Quote by Raine:I thought that was the panhandle?Quote by Mondobubba:Bob, while the Gulf Coast beaches are beautiful, there is a reason they are called the Redneck Riviera.Quote by BobR:Quote by Mondobubba:Quote by TriSec:
And now, Bob and the rest of the crack 4F scientific research department need to start working on a way to transport Mondo, Disney World, and any significant cultural artifacts someplace sensible.
What are these cultural artifacts of which you speak, Sir? Okay the Dali Museum &, the Ringling Bros. Museum. Disney is on the bubble. It would be nice if was closer to you, but there is all that tat that goes along with it. Me the whole state could slide into the sea for all I care.
Fun Florida fact: Durring Jim Crow Florida was one of the most dangerous states for African-American is the South. In a 5 year period during the Depression had something like 279 lynching that were reported as such. Mondo has a book recommedation for you, "The Warmth of Other Suns" by Isabel Wilkerson.
Yes, the Dali museum, and the gulf coast beaches. The rest of it is South Carolina with a sunburn.
oh yeah, and I want Key West. Actually -- ALL the keys.
That does start up around the Big Bend. Over all the Gulf Coast is much redder than the Atlantic coast.
Comment by Mondobubba on 07/05/2011 21:38:41
Mondobubba on 07/05/2011 21:38:41
Well it sounds we like the concept of Florida, or bits of it at least. The execusion of Florida on the other hand, that leaves something to be desired.
Comment by Raine on 07/05/2011 22:18:41
Raine on 07/05/2011 22:18:41
ahh... back from the pool. Feeling relaxed and refreshed.
Comment by BobR on 07/05/2011 22:22:30
I've spent a fair amount of time in FL, both for work and pleasure. I'd say the "redneck" part of the FL Riveria starts a little south of Panama City and goes west. Areas like Sarasota and Sannibel Island are not anywhere near redneck.
The Atlantic coast, though - really? What about Jacksonville, Cocoa Beach, and Daytona? Last time I checked, that was biker heaven.
BobR on 07/05/2011 22:22:30
Quote by Mondobubba:Quote by Raine:I thought that was the panhandle?Quote by Mondobubba:Bob, while the Gulf Coast beaches are beautiful, there is a reason they are called the Redneck Riviera.Quote by BobR:Quote by Mondobubba:Quote by TriSec:
And now, Bob and the rest of the crack 4F scientific research department need to start working on a way to transport Mondo, Disney World, and any significant cultural artifacts someplace sensible.
What are these cultural artifacts of which you speak, Sir? Okay the Dali Museum &, the Ringling Bros. Museum. Disney is on the bubble. It would be nice if was closer to you, but there is all that tat that goes along with it. Me the whole state could slide into the sea for all I care.
Fun Florida fact: Durring Jim Crow Florida was one of the most dangerous states for African-American is the South. In a 5 year period during the Depression had something like 279 lynching that were reported as such. Mondo has a book recommedation for you, "The Warmth of Other Suns" by Isabel Wilkerson.
Yes, the Dali museum, and the gulf coast beaches. The rest of it is South Carolina with a sunburn.
oh yeah, and I want Key West. Actually -- ALL the keys.
That does start up around the Big Bend. Over all the Gulf Coast is much redder than the Atlantic coast.
I've spent a fair amount of time in FL, both for work and pleasure. I'd say the "redneck" part of the FL Riveria starts a little south of Panama City and goes west. Areas like Sarasota and Sannibel Island are not anywhere near redneck.
The Atlantic coast, though - really? What about Jacksonville, Cocoa Beach, and Daytona? Last time I checked, that was biker heaven.
Comment by Raine on 07/05/2011 23:30:56
Raine on 07/05/2011 23:30:56
In the end... WRT Casey Anthony, I am of the opinion that the prosecution did not go beyond reasonable doubt.
I am long of the opinion that there is a place for the court of public opinion. That said public opinion should NEVER be used in a court of law.
This case was tried and persecuted in the Nancy Grace court -- and it should not have been. Do I think she was innocent?
No.
But being found not guilty (in a court of law and beyond...) is not the opposite of being found innocent.
I am long of the opinion that there is a place for the court of public opinion. That said public opinion should NEVER be used in a court of law.
This case was tried and persecuted in the Nancy Grace court -- and it should not have been. Do I think she was innocent?
No.
But being found not guilty (in a court of law and beyond...) is not the opposite of being found innocent.
Comment by Mondobubba on 07/05/2011 23:59:45
Go further south, Bobber. Ft Lauderdale, Boca Raton, Singer Island etc
Mondobubba on 07/05/2011 23:59:45
Quote by BobR:Quote by Mondobubba:Quote by Raine:I thought that was the panhandle?Quote by Mondobubba:Bob, while the Gulf Coast beaches are beautiful, there is a reason they are called the Redneck Riviera.Quote by BobR:Quote by Mondobubba:Quote by TriSec:
And now, Bob and the rest of the crack 4F scientific research department need to start working on a way to transport Mondo, Disney World, and any significant cultural artifacts someplace sensible.
What are these cultural artifacts of which you speak, Sir? Okay the Dali Museum &, the Ringling Bros. Museum. Disney is on the bubble. It would be nice if was closer to you, but there is all that tat that goes along with it. Me the whole state could slide into the sea for all I care.
Fun Florida fact: Durring Jim Crow Florida was one of the most dangerous states for African-American is the South. In a 5 year period during the Depression had something like 279 lynching that were reported as such. Mondo has a book recommedation for you, "The Warmth of Other Suns" by Isabel Wilkerson.
Yes, the Dali museum, and the gulf coast beaches. The rest of it is South Carolina with a sunburn.
oh yeah, and I want Key West. Actually -- ALL the keys.
That does start up around the Big Bend. Over all the Gulf Coast is much redder than the Atlantic coast.
I've spent a fair amount of time in FL, both for work and pleasure. I'd say the "redneck" part of the FL Riveria starts a little south of Panama City and goes west. Areas like Sarasota and Sannibel Island are not anywhere near redneck.
The Atlantic coast, though - really? What about Jacksonville, Cocoa Beach, and Daytona? Last time I checked, that was biker heaven.
Go further south, Bobber. Ft Lauderdale, Boca Raton, Singer Island etc
Comment by livingonli on 07/06/2011 00:25:18
livingonli on 07/06/2011 00:25:18
Mondo, what are your thoughts on the Orlando PBS station flipping to Daystar?
Comment by TriSec on 07/06/2011 00:47:01
TriSec on 07/06/2011 00:47:01
Palm Beach...that's my neck of the woods. Although we'd have to pick and choose, both Rush and mAnn live on the island.
I'd keep this, though. Makes Newport look like the minors.
I'd keep this, though. Makes Newport look like the minors.
Comment by BobR on 07/06/2011 00:54:38
Just goes to show the closer you get to GA and AL, the more redneck, regardless of the coast.
BobR on 07/06/2011 00:54:38
Quote by Mondobubba:Quote by BobR:Quote by Mondobubba:Quote by Raine:I thought that was the panhandle?Quote by Mondobubba:Bob, while the Gulf Coast beaches are beautiful, there is a reason they are called the Redneck Riviera.Quote by BobR:Quote by Mondobubba:Quote by TriSec:
And now, Bob and the rest of the crack 4F scientific research department need to start working on a way to transport Mondo, Disney World, and any significant cultural artifacts someplace sensible.
What are these cultural artifacts of which you speak, Sir? Okay the Dali Museum &, the Ringling Bros. Museum. Disney is on the bubble. It would be nice if was closer to you, but there is all that tat that goes along with it. Me the whole state could slide into the sea for all I care.
Fun Florida fact: Durring Jim Crow Florida was one of the most dangerous states for African-American is the South. In a 5 year period during the Depression had something like 279 lynching that were reported as such. Mondo has a book recommedation for you, "The Warmth of Other Suns" by Isabel Wilkerson.
Yes, the Dali museum, and the gulf coast beaches. The rest of it is South Carolina with a sunburn.
oh yeah, and I want Key West. Actually -- ALL the keys.
That does start up around the Big Bend. Over all the Gulf Coast is much redder than the Atlantic coast.
I've spent a fair amount of time in FL, both for work and pleasure. I'd say the "redneck" part of the FL Riveria starts a little south of Panama City and goes west. Areas like Sarasota and Sannibel Island are not anywhere near redneck.
The Atlantic coast, though - really? What about Jacksonville, Cocoa Beach, and Daytona? Last time I checked, that was biker heaven.
Go further south, Bobber. Ft Lauderdale, Boca Raton, Singer Island etc
Just goes to show the closer you get to GA and AL, the more redneck, regardless of the coast.
Comment by livingonli on 07/06/2011 02:04:01
livingonli on 07/06/2011 02:04:01
Lizz will be talking about the freak show-media circus that was the Casey Anthony trial on Ed tonight.
Comment by Raine on 07/06/2011 03:49:02
Raine on 07/06/2011 03:49:02
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Lizz, but as hard as I have tried-- I just cannot do the Ed show. I hate how he yells at his audience. He makes some good points, but yelling doesn;t make me want to listen. I will catch her appearance online.
on that note, I am going to bed.
Lizz, but as hard as I have tried-- I just cannot do the Ed show. I hate how he yells at his audience. He makes some good points, but yelling doesn;t make me want to listen. I will catch her appearance online. on that note, I am going to bed.