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Ask a Vet
Author: TriSec
Date: 02/19/2008 11:31:20
Good Morning.
Today is our 1,798th day in Iraq.
We'll start today as we always do, with the latest casualty figures from the Warron Terra, courtesy of AntiWar.com:
American Deaths
Since war began (3/19/03): 3963
Since "Mission Accomplished" (5/1/03): 3824
Since Capture of Saddam (12/13/03): 3502
Since Handover (6/29/04): 3105
Since Election (1/31/05): 2525
Other Coalition Troops: 307
US Military Deaths - Afghanistan: 483
We find this morning's Cost of War passing through $495, 687, 000, 000.00. If I read that right, the next milestone is going to be 500 billion dollars...
Turning to our friends at IAVA, we find that the military is still fighting for ordinary troops and tools on the ground. But the top brass likes the expensive toys...
In another soldier's story this morning from Veteran's Against The Iraq War, the story of an active-duty soldier's visit home from Iraq tells us that maybe the home front has been lost for good.
Lastly this morning, we've been sometimes trolling through the candidates and seeing where they stand on the war. I won't quote too much of Senator McCain, but if you can stomach it, his platform is here... Curious though, that I would find his position on the 'home front' after posting the veteran's story above.
It's another busy week....let's get to it!
Today is our 1,798th day in Iraq.
We'll start today as we always do, with the latest casualty figures from the Warron Terra, courtesy of AntiWar.com:
American Deaths
Since war began (3/19/03): 3963
Since "Mission Accomplished" (5/1/03): 3824
Since Capture of Saddam (12/13/03): 3502
Since Handover (6/29/04): 3105
Since Election (1/31/05): 2525
Other Coalition Troops: 307
US Military Deaths - Afghanistan: 483
We find this morning's Cost of War passing through $495, 687, 000, 000.00. If I read that right, the next milestone is going to be 500 billion dollars...
Turning to our friends at IAVA, we find that the military is still fighting for ordinary troops and tools on the ground. But the top brass likes the expensive toys...
I love airplanes as much as anyone. I have a model of the F-22 on the computer I am writing from. But the Air Forces’ preoccupation with “high tech solutions” that have been proven time and again to be ineffective is mind boggling. I don’t know what happens to these guys as they attain the highest positions in their service and then think that a) they have all the answers even if that answer has always been wrong in the past and b ) that they can smack the boss around. Much like General Kiley had to find out the hard way over Walter Reed - this guy had to be schooled by Secretary Gates.
Defense Tech: AF Gen. Gets Slap-Down from the Big Boss
With defense spending expected to decline as U.S. troops withdraw from Iraq, some in the Pentagon have argued for shifting money to high-end weapons systems, like fighters and Navy ships, that can be used if needed against rivals with larger militaries, like China and Russia.
Gates prefers a focus on equipment and personnel needed to wage low-grade counterinsurgencies, like Iraq, arguing that such fights are more likely to occur in the near future.
“The reality is we are fighting two wars, in Iraq and Afghanistan, and the F-22 has not performed a single mission in either theater,” Gates told a Senate committee last week.
We could field an infantry brigade for a year for the price of each F-22. When we need more boots on the ground in the little wars we’re in, the Air Force always seems to want to start more, advocating air strikes in other countries. But that starts a mess that Soldiers and Marines, and now even Airmen have to go in and clean up. I am glad to see Secretary Gates focused on the task at hand. Some days I wonder if he’s not the only adult in DC.
Maybe some of those generals should consider this story, from the AP on Military.com:
Cost was a driving factor in the decision to turn down the request for the so-called MRAPs, according to the study. Stateside authorities saw the hulking vehicles, which can cost as much as a $1 million each, as a financial threat to programs aimed at developing lighter vehicles that were years from being fielded.
After Defense Secretary Robert Gates declared the MRAP (pronounced M-rap) the Pentagon’s No. 1 acquisition priority in May 2007, the trucks began to be shipped to Iraq in large quantities.
In another soldier's story this morning from Veteran's Against The Iraq War, the story of an active-duty soldier's visit home from Iraq tells us that maybe the home front has been lost for good.
...I know another local family whose son has been in the service ten years
or so--Ft. Drum, U.S. Army Tenth Mountan Division (light infantry), then
stationed at Ft. Hood in the mechanized infantry, Ft. Sam in San Antonio
and now attached to Ft. Bragg in the Army Corps of Engineers.
We think of him as a “young man” because he is so much younger than us
from the Viet Nam era, but he is no kid--he’s been to the Middle East
four times--Egypt and Israel as part of a multi-national peace-keeping
force, Kuwait as part of Operation Desert Spring, to Iraq for Operation
Enduring Freedom where he fought in the Battles of Fallujah and Najaf and
now he is doing his second Iraq tour in Baghdad.
This seasoned soldier is vibrant, well-trained, intelligent, in the prime
of his life. He’s a gentleman and a sensitive human being. And his
chest is getting a little weighted from the metals and commendations
bestowed upon him. If there is a definition of the ideal patriotic
American soldier some where, he fits the description.
He’s been home on leave for a little R and R and time with his
family--but he will be back in Iraq by the time this is published. He’ll
be back in that place where GIs are getting shot at on a daily basis.
Mortars are being hurled at them, RPGs and IEDs are a daily dose of
death. He’ll be back in country, the place where young men are doing
their duty, serving their country, and dying every single day that this
unjust war drags on.
This young man has a kid sister, 15, I think--she attends Smithson Valley
High School in Comal County, Texas, and big brother wanted to have lunch
with her before shipping out. His mother had spoken to the principal a
couple of weeks ago and told him that her son would be home, the same son
who graduated from the very same high school and is well known as one of
the kids who joined the service and went off to war.
Last Wednesday he bought sandwiches for his sister at a local restaurant
and went to the administration office of the high school to check in so
that he could meet her during her lunch period and sit down and enjoy a
little treat with her. She adores him and misses him and is proud of him
and wants him to be safe and to come home alive when this war is finally
over.
But at the school office, this United States Army Staff Sergeant, wearing
an unassuming t-shirt that said Camp Fallujah, where he and his men
served in the roughest fighting of the war; I.D. in hand so the high
school administrators would be able to verify his identity; this American
hero just wanting to see his sister--was denied entrance in to the
school. He was turned away. He was told he could not have lunch with
his sister. He was denied access to the public school he is supposedly
fighting to keep free. That’s what they say anyway, when school
officials let military recruiters troll the halls for new prospects.
They can come on campus anytime. They can sign kids up. But let a real
soldier visit his sister before he goes back to the war--no--the public
school wouldn’t let that happen.
So, without being able to talk to his sister, the Staff Sergeant left.
His sister was crushed. He was stunned. His mother was brought to
tears. His father was outraged.
I write this because I now know that the war here in America is lost.
While men and women are fighting and dying for freedom in Iraq, nobody’s
here minding the store.
Lastly this morning, we've been sometimes trolling through the candidates and seeing where they stand on the war. I won't quote too much of Senator McCain, but if you can stomach it, his platform is here... Curious though, that I would find his position on the 'home front' after posting the veteran's story above.
If efforts in Iraq do not retain the support of the American people, the war will be lost as soundly as if our forces were defeated in battle. A renewed effort at home starts with explaining precisely what is at stake in this war to ensure that Americans fully understand the high cost of a military defeat. The war in Iraq is at a crossroads and the future of the entire region is at stake - a region that produced the terrorists who attacked America on 9/11 and where much of the world's energy supplies are located. Success is essential to creating peace in the region, and failure would expose the United States to national security threats for generations. Defeat in the war would lead to much more violence in Iraq, greatly embolden Iran, undermine U.S. allies such as Israel, likely lead to wider conflict, result in a terrorist safe haven in the heart of the Middle East, and gravely damage U.S. credibility throughout the world.
The American people also deserve to know that the path ahead will be long and difficult. They have heard many times that the violence in Iraq will subside soon - when a transitional government is in place, when Saddam is captured, when elections are held, when a constitution is in place. John McCain believes it is far better to describe the situation just as it is - difficult right now, but not without hope. The stakes for America could not be higher.
It's another busy week....let's get to it!
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Comment by 
m-hadley on 02/19/2008 12:16:00
m-hadley on 02/19/2008 12:16:00
Thanks BobR for keeping the facts of the ongoing occupation of Iraq and the toll it is taking on everyone that is touched by this war front and center in our hearts and minds. Yesterday in the NYTimes, I read a very, very sad column by Paul Krugman, that has been weighing heavily on my mind. The title of the piece is Poverty is Poison and it made me cry and then it got me thinking about children living on the Pine Ridge Reservation in South Dakota. I was working on a post about life in this third world poor community and I came across a photographer Aaron Huey's web site that has some photos that capture the despair and the wonder of life in this harsh environment. I just wanted to share Mr. Huey's amazing web site. My blog entry was lost before I could post it, and I'm not sure I'll try to write it again, but I just wanted to share with you all what has been on my mind over the last 24 hours
(and most of my life). Thanks for listening - you all are the best
Cheers,
mfaye
(and most of my life). Thanks for listening - you all are the best
Cheers,
mfaye
Comment by 
BobR on 02/19/2008 13:17:14
That was TriSec, not me... :peace:
... but I'm sure he appreciates your sentiments.
BobR on 02/19/2008 13:17:14
Quote by m-hadley: Thanks BobR for keeping the facts of the ongoing occupation of Iraq and the toll it is taking on everyone that is touched by this war front and center in our hearts and minds. Yesterday in the NYTimes, I read a very, very sad column by Paul Krugman, that has been weighing heavily on my mind. The title of the piece is Poverty is Poison and it made me cry and then it got me thinking about children living on the Pine Ridge Reservation in South Dakota. I was working on a post about life in this third world poor community and I came across a photographer Aaron Huey's web site that has some photos that capture the despair and the wonder of life in this harsh environment. I just wanted to share Mr. Huey's amazing web site. My blog entry was lost before I could post it, and I'm not sure I'll try to write it again, but I just wanted to share with you all what has been on my mind over the last 24 hours
(and most of my life). Thanks for listening - you all are the best
Cheers,
mfaye
That was TriSec, not me... :peace:
... but I'm sure he appreciates your sentiments.
Comment by m-hadley on 02/19/2008 13:36:31
Excuse me, TriSec, I'd like to extend my thanks to you for your post this morning. I did go back and rewrite the entry I was working on last night (before my computer went down
). Here's the link to my post on
Pine Ridge and poverty.
Thanks to everyboy in this group - you all enhance my life in ways that you don't realize
m-hadley on 02/19/2008 13:36:31
Quote by BobR:Quote by m-hadley: Thanks BobR for keeping the facts of the ongoing occupation of Iraq and the toll it is taking on everyone that is touched by this war front and center in our hearts and minds. Yesterday in the NYTimes, I read a very, very sad column by Paul Krugman, that has been weighing heavily on my mind. The title of the piece is Poverty is Poison and it made me cry and then it got me thinking about children living on the Pine Ridge Reservation in South Dakota. I was working on a post about life in this third world poor community and I came across a photographer Aaron Huey's web site that has some photos that capture the despair and the wonder of life in this harsh environment. I just wanted to share Mr. Huey's amazing web site. My blog entry was lost before I could post it, and I'm not sure I'll try to write it again, but I just wanted to share with you all what has been on my mind over the last 24 hours
(and most of my life). Thanks for listening - you all are the best
Cheers,
mfaye
That was TriSec, not me... :peace:
... but I'm sure he appreciates your sentiments.
Excuse me, TriSec, I'd like to extend my thanks to you for your post this morning. I did go back and rewrite the entry I was working on last night (before my computer went down
). Here's the link to my post on Pine Ridge and poverty.
Thanks to everyboy in this group - you all enhance my life in ways that you don't realize
Comment by 
shelaghc on 02/19/2008 14:09:29
shelaghc on 02/19/2008 14:09:29
The posting about the soldier trying to visit his little sister is heartbreaking. How on earth can a school official have the right to make a judgement like that?
Does he not realize this could be the last time those siblings ever see each other? How can they sleep at night with their coldhearted decision?
I'm beyond angry about this kind of treatment of our military.
Does he not realize this could be the last time those siblings ever see each other? How can they sleep at night with their coldhearted decision?
I'm beyond angry about this kind of treatment of our military.
Comment by BobR on 02/19/2008 14:21:22
BobR on 02/19/2008 14:21:22
In case y'all missed the big news today:
The opposition party won in Pakistan
Fidel Castro Resigns
Even better? Bush is out of the country, so we don't have to listen to him crow about it in a press conference...
The opposition party won in Pakistan
Fidel Castro Resigns
Even better? Bush is out of the country, so we don't have to listen to him crow about it in a press conference...
Comment by 
velveeta jones on 02/19/2008 14:23:28
velveeta jones on 02/19/2008 14:23:28
Wow. That story just shows how silly many of our "rules" are.
Comment by velveeta jones on 02/19/2008 14:25:26
velveeta jones on 02/19/2008 14:25:26
BTW: speaking of silly stories. Did ya catch this one?
http://www.alternet.org/story/77320/
http://www.alternet.org/story/77320/
As the U.S. Department of Homeland Security marches down the Texas border serving condemnation lawsuits to frightened landowners, Brownsville resident Eloisa Tamez, 72, has one simple question. She would like to know why her land is being targeted for destruction by a border wall, while a nearby golf course and resort remain untouched.
While the border wall will go through her backyard and effectively destroy her home, it will stop at the edge of the River Bend Resort and golf course, a popular Winter Texan retreat two miles down the road. The wall starts up again on the other side of the resort.
Comment by 
Raine on 02/19/2008 14:26:14
Raine on 02/19/2008 14:26:14
Good morning!
Comment by velveeta jones on 02/19/2008 14:26:29
velveeta jones on 02/19/2008 14:26:29
I KNOW!! CASTRO steps down!! WooHoo!!
Calling my friends in Little Havana today!!!
Calling my friends in Little Havana today!!!
Comment by velveeta jones on 02/19/2008 14:28:20
velveeta jones on 02/19/2008 14:28:20
Hey! I have siezures sometimes, think I could get paid to be an Obama plant?
Comment by 
livingonli on 02/19/2008 14:31:12
livingonli on 02/19/2008 14:31:12
Good morning all. 
How come the SMS newscast doesn't send e-mails alerting us to TV appearances? I would have DVR'd it.
I'm surprised the right-wingers who write hate e-mail have even emerged from caves with their command of language?
How come the SMS newscast doesn't send e-mails alerting us to TV appearances? I would have DVR'd it.
I'm surprised the right-wingers who write hate e-mail have even emerged from caves with their command of language?
Comment by ProducerChris on 02/19/2008 14:34:12
Hey Everyone!
I sent out an email to everyone who's a member of StephanieMiller.com. Did you guys not get it?
ProducerChris :clown:
I sent out an email to everyone who's a member of StephanieMiller.com. Did you guys not get it?
ProducerChris :clown:
Comment by velveeta jones on 02/19/2008 14:35:53
Velveeta lives a sad and lonely life, and she forgets to check her emails.
:sniff:
velveeta jones on 02/19/2008 14:35:53
Quote by producerchris1: Hey Everyone!
I sent out an email to everyone who's a member of StephanieMiller.com. Did you guys not get it?
ProducerChris :clown:
Velveeta lives a sad and lonely life, and she forgets to check her emails.
:sniff:
Comment by livingonli on 02/19/2008 14:37:01
livingonli on 02/19/2008 14:37:01
I didn't. I haven't gotten an alert on a Steph appearance in a while. The last e-mail I got was my Stephcast renewal.
Comment by Raine on 02/19/2008 14:39:26
Raine on 02/19/2008 14:39:26
I agree with Chris.McCain must be kept away from the Nuke button.
Comment by shelaghc on 02/19/2008 14:40:12
I didn't get anything. I feel left out.
:-<
shelaghc on 02/19/2008 14:40:12
Quote by producerchris1: Hey Everyone!
I sent out an email to everyone who's a member of StephanieMiller.com. Did you guys not get it?
ProducerChris :clown:
I didn't get anything. I feel left out.
:-<
Comment by Raine on 02/19/2008 14:41:20
Raine on 02/19/2008 14:41:20
Heya 
!! I did not get the email... I almost watched Larry last night... If I had known, I would not have watched Toe Sucker Dick tell us all how Bill Clinton beat him up.
!! I did not get the email... I almost watched Larry last night... If I had known, I would not have watched Toe Sucker Dick tell us all how Bill Clinton beat him up.
Comment by 
starling310 on 02/19/2008 14:43:10
starling310 on 02/19/2008 14:43:10
Morning. . .
I did not get an email either. :shrug:
I did not get an email either. :shrug:
Comment by velveeta jones on 02/19/2008 14:43:27
velveeta jones on 02/19/2008 14:43:27
Ya'll HAVE to sign up at stephaniemillerdotcom!! I do get the mail, I just have to actually, ya know, look at it!
Raine, dahling, I have an opinion piece for ya. In today NYT. Lemme look for it.
Raine, dahling, I have an opinion piece for ya. In today NYT. Lemme look for it.
Comment by livingonli on 02/19/2008 14:43:32
How many Raintinis did you need after watching that?
livingonli on 02/19/2008 14:43:32
Quote by Raine: Heya
How many Raintinis did you need after watching that?
Comment by 
wickedpam on 02/19/2008 14:47:18
wickedpam on 02/19/2008 14:47:18
Morning :hug:
Comment by Raine on 02/19/2008 14:47:33
I am signed up at Stephaniemillerdot com.
Oh well, I guess that is what the youtubes are for.
Raine on 02/19/2008 14:47:33
Quote by livingonli:Quote by Raine: Heya
How many Raintinis did you need after watching that?
I am signed up at Stephaniemillerdot com.
Oh well, I guess that is what the youtubes are for.
Comment by livingonli on 02/19/2008 14:48:54
livingonli on 02/19/2008 14:48:54
Good morning Mala.
Comment by velveeta jones on 02/19/2008 14:49:56
velveeta jones on 02/19/2008 14:49:56
Raine (or anyone else), great opinion piece about one of Velveeta's pet peeves:
Bob Herbert
I recommend the read. Mr. Herbert really explains why I so despise the word "pimp".
Bob Herbert
I recommend the read. Mr. Herbert really explains why I so despise the word "pimp".
Comment by Raine on 02/19/2008 14:51:32
Raine on 02/19/2008 14:51:32
This is what I really resent, I feel like the clinton Campaign is ACTIVELY seeking to divide the democratic Party.
Comment by Raine on 02/19/2008 14:52:02
Raine on 02/19/2008 14:52:02
:rofl:
Comment by Raine on 02/19/2008 14:52:20
Raine on 02/19/2008 14:52:20
My bad... it was the Gov's mansion, not the White house...
Comment by velveeta jones on 02/19/2008 14:53:05
velveeta jones on 02/19/2008 14:53:05
That story is a LIE!!
Bill does not like Dick Morris at all. :lol:
Bill does not like Dick Morris at all. :lol:
Comment by Raine on 02/19/2008 14:53:08
Raine on 02/19/2008 14:53:08
Hands Across Dick Morris!!! 
Comment by starling310 on 02/19/2008 14:53:31
starling310 on 02/19/2008 14:53:31
You stopped for the puddin' pops!!!! :rofl:
Comment by livingonli on 02/19/2008 14:53:34
livingonli on 02/19/2008 14:53:34
So, who here thinks that Dick Morris has a secret sexual fantasy about Hillary?
Comment by wickedpam on 02/19/2008 14:53:35
wickedpam on 02/19/2008 14:53:35
Hey Liv and all
Comment by Raine on 02/19/2008 14:54:42
Raine on 02/19/2008 14:54:42
Oh yeah, I saw that one too... Sean was getting a hard on becuase Larry kissed a girl on the big screen.
Comment by livingonli on 02/19/2008 14:55:09
livingonli on 02/19/2008 14:55:09
Larry the Cable Guy does as many movies as Earnest did and they are just as bad (if not worse).
Comment by Raine on 02/19/2008 14:58:02
OMG... I am only a few paragraphs in... :(
Raine on 02/19/2008 14:58:02
Quote by velveeta jones: Raine (or anyone else), great opinion piece about one of Velveeta's pet peeves:
Bob Herbert
I recommend the read. Mr. Herbert really explains why I so despise the word "pimp".
Comment by velveeta jones on 02/19/2008 14:58:13
velveeta jones on 02/19/2008 14:58:13
Damn, I was hoping to try to call in to the big shoe today, but I gotta go do some Red Cross stuff today. Must go to one of our fire dept and get updates on our large brush fires and families, etc.
At least its a beautiful drive up in the hills.
I'll see ya'll later.
At least its a beautiful drive up in the hills.
I'll see ya'll later.
Comment by Raine on 02/19/2008 14:58:22
Raine on 02/19/2008 14:58:22
HEy. isn't Mike Huckabee's Wife a skeet Shooter as well??
Comment by Raine on 02/19/2008 15:01:41
Raine on 02/19/2008 15:01:41
CUL8R VJ!
Comment by livingonli on 02/19/2008 15:01:50
livingonli on 02/19/2008 15:01:50
Come on, can't you trust this guy with your kids?
Comment by wickedpam on 02/19/2008 15:06:50
wickedpam on 02/19/2008 15:06:50
Is that a real mustache?
Comment by Raine on 02/19/2008 15:07:33
Raine on 02/19/2008 15:07:33
That link takes me to a business advice page, liv.
Comment by Raine on 02/19/2008 15:08:12
Raine on 02/19/2008 15:08:12
OMG! That mustache CANNOT be for real!!!
Comment by wickedpam on 02/19/2008 15:08:18
wickedpam on 02/19/2008 15:08:18
Liv is AAP down?
Comment by Raine on 02/19/2008 15:09:15
Raine on 02/19/2008 15:09:15
Bush Sr. is really old... he sounded very very tired.
Comment by livingonli on 02/19/2008 15:10:14
It seems that way. They've been having server issues since last night.
livingonli on 02/19/2008 15:10:14
Quote by wickedpam: Liv is AAP down?
It seems that way. They've been having server issues since last night.
Comment by shelaghc on 02/19/2008 15:11:02
shelaghc on 02/19/2008 15:11:02
Here's a d'oh question:
Where did Jim's bit about Guiliani's baby eating wife come from?
Where did Jim's bit about Guiliani's baby eating wife come from?
Comment by Raine on 02/19/2008 15:11:29
Raine on 02/19/2008 15:11:29
Anderson Cooper?!?!?! 
That oughtta work out well for momma. She wouldn't have to use her gayray... Just saying...
That oughtta work out well for momma. She wouldn't have to use her gayray... Just saying...
Comment by wickedpam on 02/19/2008 15:12:24
Okay - I was beginning to think it was just me.
wickedpam on 02/19/2008 15:12:24
Quote by livingonli:Quote by wickedpam: Liv is AAP down?
It seems that way. They've been having server issues since last night.
Okay - I was beginning to think it was just me.
Comment by Raine on 02/19/2008 15:13:07
Raine on 02/19/2008 15:13:07
Cookie Bunny and Foxie... now that sounds like an awesome garden club!
Comment by Raine on 02/19/2008 15:14:24
Raine on 02/19/2008 15:14:24
When is the pResident going to get Out of Africa?
Comment by wickedpam on 02/19/2008 15:16:43
wickedpam on 02/19/2008 15:16:43
Africanized? What is she a Bee?
Comment by Raine on 02/19/2008 15:18:37
Raine on 02/19/2008 15:18:37
Did I just hear 
say trots?
say trots?
Comment by livingonli on 02/19/2008 15:21:09
Maybe the protestors will drive him out.
livingonli on 02/19/2008 15:21:09
Quote by Raine: When is the pResident going to get Out of Africa?
Maybe the protestors will drive him out.
Comment by BobR on 02/19/2008 15:29:51
BobR on 02/19/2008 15:29:51
Morning folks... settling in for a dull day at the salt mines... 
Comment by Raine on 02/19/2008 15:31:21
Raine on 02/19/2008 15:31:21
on the line... :xfingers:
Comment by livingonli on 02/19/2008 15:31:42
livingonli on 02/19/2008 15:31:42
Free BobR. 
Comment by livingonli on 02/19/2008 15:35:32
livingonli on 02/19/2008 15:35:32
Raine!!! 
Comment by wickedpam on 02/19/2008 15:35:36
wickedpam on 02/19/2008 15:35:36
Raine!
Comment by starling310 on 02/19/2008 15:35:47
starling310 on 02/19/2008 15:35:47
RAINE! :banana:
Comment by BobR on 02/19/2008 15:35:57
BobR on 02/19/2008 15:35:57
Yay Raine!! :banana:
Comment by Raine on 02/19/2008 15:36:16
Raine on 02/19/2008 15:36:16
darn, I wanted to mention the other thing, regarding the fact that Hillary never gave credit to her Ghostwriter for the Book *It takes a Village*
Comment by Raine on 02/19/2008 15:38:41
Raine on 02/19/2008 15:38:41
It might be a non story, but the book issue to me is a pretty big thing and if the Clinton campaign is going to do such trashy things, I think it is important to point out the hypocrisy.
Comment by Raine on 02/19/2008 15:42:26
Raine on 02/19/2008 15:42:26
From Wiki regarding It takes a village... Someone needs to call the show about this one, I think:
Ghostwriter controversy
Clinton has been criticized for not giving credit to a ghostwriter in connection with It Takes a Village. The majority of the book was reportedly written by ghostwriter Barbara Feinman.[8] When the book was first announced in April 1995, The New York Times reported publisher Simon & Schuster as saying "The book will actually be written by Barbara Feinman, a journalism professor at Georgetown University in Washington. Ms. Feinman will conduct a series of interviews with Mrs. Clinton, who will help edit the resulting text."[9]
Feinman spent seven months on the project and was paid $120,000 for her work.[10] Feinman, however, was not mentioned anywhere in the book. Clinton's acknowledgment section began: "It takes a village to bring a book into the world, as everyone who has written one knows. Many people have helped me to complete this one, sometimes without even knowing it. They are so numerous that I will not even attempt to acknowledge them individually, for fear that I might leave one out."[11] During her promotional tour for the book, Clinton said, "I actually wrote the book ... I had to write my own book because I want to stand by every word."[2] Clinton stated that Feinman assisted in interviews and did some editorial drafting of "connecting paragraphs", while Clinton herself wrote the final manuscript in longhand.[2]
Comment by Raine on 02/19/2008 15:48:44
Raine on 02/19/2008 15:48:44
Ghostwriting killed the Blog... 
Comment by wickedpam on 02/19/2008 15:50:44
wickedpam on 02/19/2008 15:50:44
Sounds like someone needs to visit Lolly, Lolly, Lolly's.
Comment by Raine on 02/19/2008 15:51:12
Raine on 02/19/2008 15:51:12
Lance Bass Crazy eyes!!! 
Comment by Raine on 02/19/2008 15:52:17
Raine on 02/19/2008 15:52:17
I am googling too !
!
Comment by Raine on 02/19/2008 15:53:47
Raine on 02/19/2008 15:53:47
Caller is correct! I have heard this about MLK as well.
Comment by BobR on 02/19/2008 15:56:43
BobR on 02/19/2008 15:56:43
From this link:
"Obama is strongly opposed to privatizing Social Security"
EDIT: more: "In the midst of the 2005 debate over Social Security privatization, Obama gave a major speech at the National Press Club forcefully arguing against privatization. He also repeatedly voted against Republican amendments that aimed to privatize Social Security or cut benefits. Obama has also voted to force companies to properly fund their pension plans so taxpayers don't end up footing the bill. "
"Obama is strongly opposed to privatizing Social Security"
EDIT: more: "In the midst of the 2005 debate over Social Security privatization, Obama gave a major speech at the National Press Club forcefully arguing against privatization. He also repeatedly voted against Republican amendments that aimed to privatize Social Security or cut benefits. Obama has also voted to force companies to properly fund their pension plans so taxpayers don't end up footing the bill. "
Comment by 
Mondobubba on 02/19/2008 15:56:53
Mondobubba on 02/19/2008 15:56:53
Mondo hate allergy season. :snuffffffllllleeee!:
Comment by Mondobubba on 02/19/2008 15:59:29
Mondobubba on 02/19/2008 15:59:29
Oh I missed Raineykins! 
I was prolly blowing my nose and trying to get my eyes to stop watering. Ya know when your 24-hour anti-histamine doesn't last the full day you need something else.
I was prolly blowing my nose and trying to get my eyes to stop watering. Ya know when your 24-hour anti-histamine doesn't last the full day you need something else.
Comment by shelaghc on 02/19/2008 15:59:33
shelaghc on 02/19/2008 15:59:33
Quote by shelaghc: Here's a d'oh question:
Where did Jim's bit about Guiliani's baby eating wife come from?
Comment by m-hadley on 02/19/2008 16:00:29
Damn, I missed Raine on the Show - thank godness for the StephCast...
m-hadley on 02/19/2008 16:00:29
Quote by BobR: Yay Raine!! :banana:
Damn, I missed Raine on the Show - thank godness for the StephCast...
Comment by Mondobubba on 02/19/2008 16:00:37
Mondobubba on 02/19/2008 16:00:37
Raine, when you an' Bobber watch "The Wire" you will need to call and tell me how much you hate David Simon.
Comment by wickedpam on 02/19/2008 16:02:17
wickedpam on 02/19/2008 16:02:17
Hey Mondo - *hands box of Puffs with Aloe*
Comment by Raine on 02/19/2008 16:03:39
Raine on 02/19/2008 16:03:39
BobR is correct. When I googled, I found a ton of anti Obama'pro Hillary sights, Some even went so far as to say that JOHN EDWARDS wanted to privatize social security. Caller was full of BAD information, at the VERY least.
Obama is not for privatizing Social Security. RWTP alert!!! SMEAR ALERT!
NONE of our democratic candidates want SS to be privatized, the entire debate is moot, it is the basis of the friggin dem platform.
Obama is not for privatizing Social Security. RWTP alert!!! SMEAR ALERT!
NONE of our democratic candidates want SS to be privatized, the entire debate is moot, it is the basis of the friggin dem platform.
Comment by m-hadley on 02/19/2008 16:03:51
I think that it grew out of Judith Giuliani's former employment in which she demonstrated some medical device by stapling live dogs - arrgh
I guess it naturally follows that anybody who would staple dogs for a living would feast on babies - I'm just guessing... 
m-hadley on 02/19/2008 16:03:51
Quote by shelaghc:Quote by shelaghc: Here's a d'oh question:
Where did Jim's bit about Guiliani's baby eating wife come from?
I think that it grew out of Judith Giuliani's former employment in which she demonstrated some medical device by stapling live dogs - arrgh
I guess it naturally follows that anybody who would staple dogs for a living would feast on babies - I'm just guessing...
Comment by Raine on 02/19/2008 16:05:57
Sorry for not answering you I really don't know... I guess it might have grown out of the whole puppy thing over these past many months. That wonam is a maneater. 
But seriously, I can't say that I know.
Raine on 02/19/2008 16:05:57
Quote by shelaghc:Quote by shelaghc: Here's a d'oh question:
Where did Jim's bit about Guiliani's baby eating wife come from?
I really don't know... I guess it might have grown out of the whole puppy thing over these past many months. That wonam is a maneater. But seriously, I can't say that I know.
Comment by Mondobubba on 02/19/2008 16:07:26
Ohhhh ALOE! Thanks, Mala. :hug:
Mondobubba on 02/19/2008 16:07:26
Quote by wickedpam: Hey Mondo - *hands box of Puffs with Aloe*
Ohhhh ALOE! Thanks, Mala. :hug:
Comment by Mondobubba on 02/19/2008 16:08:39
Mondobubba on 02/19/2008 16:08:39
Anderson Cooper snark from ProducerChris! :rofl:
Comment by shelaghc on 02/19/2008 16:08:56
She did what?!!!!!!
Oh the mental image of that is going to stay with me for the rest of the day.
shelaghc on 02/19/2008 16:08:56
Quote by m-hadley:Quote by shelaghc:Quote by shelaghc: Here's a d'oh question:
Where did Jim's bit about Guiliani's baby eating wife come from?
I think that it grew out of Judith Giuliani's former employment in which she demonstrated some medical device by stapling live dogs - arrgh
She did what?!!!!!!
Oh the mental image of that is going to stay with me for the rest of the day.
Comment by BobR on 02/19/2008 16:11:45
Thanks for destroying yet another myth, Chris!
BobR on 02/19/2008 16:11:45
Quote by BobR: From this link:
"Obama is strongly opposed to privatizing Social Security"
EDIT: more: "In the midst of the 2005 debate over Social Security privatization, Obama gave a major speech at the National Press Club forcefully arguing against privatization. He also repeatedly voted against Republican amendments that aimed to privatize Social Security or cut benefits. Obama has also voted to force companies to properly fund their pension plans so taxpayers don't end up footing the bill. "
Thanks for destroying yet another myth, Chris!
Comment by starling310 on 02/19/2008 16:14:24
starling310 on 02/19/2008 16:14:24
wow...hyperbole much.
Comment by shelaghc on 02/19/2008 16:15:22
shelaghc on 02/19/2008 16:15:22
I never realized Shillary didn't write her own book. Now I'm curious about Bill's and John Edwards' books as well.
Do they all use ghostwriters?
What about Kennedy's Profiles in Courage?
:(
Do they all use ghostwriters?
What about Kennedy's Profiles in Courage?
:(
Comment by Raine on 02/19/2008 16:16:53
Raine on 02/19/2008 16:16:53
My father probably will not vote at all, for the first time since he was 18 years old.
I have since decided that (and have told him so) that I would rather he not vote than vote for McCain.
OH dear... did I just disenfranchise him?
I have since decided that (and have told him so) that I would rather he not vote than vote for McCain.
OH dear... did I just disenfranchise him?
Comment by starling310 on 02/19/2008 16:17:18
What about Moby Dick? Great Expectations?
starling310 on 02/19/2008 16:17:18
Quote by shelaghc: I never realized Shillary didn't write her own book. Now I'm curious about Bill's and John Edwards' books as well.
Do they all use ghostwriters?
What about Kennedy's Profiles in Courage?
:(
What about Moby Dick? Great Expectations?
Comment by starling310 on 02/19/2008 16:19:11
: joe biden : yes
starling310 on 02/19/2008 16:19:11
Quote by Raine: My father probably will not vote at all, for the first time since he was 18 years old.
I have since decided that (and have told him so) that I would rather he not vote than vote for McCain.
OH dear... did I just disenfranchise him?
: joe biden : yes
Comment by Raine on 02/19/2008 16:20:16
I don't know.
I don't have a problem with ghostwriters, altho usually they get some kind of credit. Hillary gave none.
(off to research!!!)
Raine on 02/19/2008 16:20:16
Quote by shelaghc: I never realized Shillary didn't write her own book. Now I'm curious about Bill's and John Edwards' books as well.
Do they all use ghostwriters?
What about Kennedy's Profiles in Courage?
:(
I don't have a problem with ghostwriters, altho usually they get some kind of credit. Hillary gave none.
(off to research!!!)
Comment by Raine on 02/19/2008 16:20:56
Raine on 02/19/2008 16:20:56
Lagavulin™ the official whisky of 4F.
Comment by BobR on 02/19/2008 16:22:29
BobR on 02/19/2008 16:22:29
Jim's Christopher Walkin has a little Woody Allen in it...
Comment by Mondobubba on 02/19/2008 16:23:24
Mondobubba on 02/19/2008 16:23:24
Can't breath Walken bit...:rofl:
Comment by Mondobubba on 02/19/2008 16:25:45
Note the sometimes about the ghostwriter
Mondobubba on 02/19/2008 16:25:45
Quote by Raine:I don't know.Quote by shelaghc: I never realized Shillary didn't write her own book. Now I'm curious about Bill's and John Edwards' books as well.
Do they all use ghostwriters?
What about Kennedy's Profiles in Courage?
:(
I don't have a problem with ghostwriters, altho usually they get some kind of credit. Hillary gave none.
(off to research!!!)
Note the sometimes about the ghostwriter
Comment by Mondobubba on 02/19/2008 16:26:48
Mondobubba on 02/19/2008 16:26:48
Needs more cowbell!
Comment by wickedpam on 02/19/2008 16:27:20
Only the best for the Blog Coffee House! :D
wickedpam on 02/19/2008 16:27:20
Quote by Mondobubba:Quote by wickedpam: Hey Mondo - *hands box of Puffs with Aloe*
Ohhhh ALOE! Thanks, Mala. :hug:
Only the best for the Blog Coffee House! :D
Comment by Raine on 02/19/2008 16:28:01
Raine on 02/19/2008 16:28:01
Ulysses S. Grant had a ghostwriter.
WHO? Mark Twain.
My point being in this day and age, if a presidential candidate is going to accuse another of Speecherism... Be aware that this is nothing new.
A ghostwriter is basically the equivelant of a spech writer, it is thier job to further out into words, the desire of the subject.
In this day and age, a ghostwriter deserves credit, not as an author neccessarily, but as a serious collabarator. THEY Are the people whose job it is to put those words to paper.
WHO? Mark Twain.
My point being in this day and age, if a presidential candidate is going to accuse another of Speecherism... Be aware that this is nothing new.
A ghostwriter is basically the equivelant of a spech writer, it is thier job to further out into words, the desire of the subject.
In this day and age, a ghostwriter deserves credit, not as an author neccessarily, but as a serious collabarator. THEY Are the people whose job it is to put those words to paper.
Comment by Raine on 02/19/2008 16:29:28
Raine on 02/19/2008 16:29:28
:rofl: I love how momma told to shut up.
that sardonic sarcasm is just the best on the show.
And The Carpenter's, along with Abba and Barry Manillow are all WONDERFUL guilty pleasures.
to shut up. that sardonic sarcasm is just the best on the show.
And The Carpenter's, along with Abba and Barry Manillow are all WONDERFUL guilty pleasures.
Comment by wickedpam on 02/19/2008 16:30:20
Have you ever seen his cooking video?
wickedpam on 02/19/2008 16:30:20
Quote by Mondobubba: Can't breath Walken bit...:rofl:
Have you ever seen his cooking video?
Comment by livingonli on 02/19/2008 16:31:57
livingonli on 02/19/2008 16:31:57
W's book went through two ghostwriters. The first version was scrubbed because it didn't make Chimpy seem glowing enough. It is believed Karen Hughes was behind the final version.
It was the First Ghostwriter who would later say that W wanted to invade Iraq in 1999 because "war presidents have political capitol" and because he wanted to "finish the job that Daddy failed to do".
It was the First Ghostwriter who would later say that W wanted to invade Iraq in 1999 because "war presidents have political capitol" and because he wanted to "finish the job that Daddy failed to do".
Comment by Raine on 02/19/2008 16:34:27
Raine on 02/19/2008 16:34:27
Mondo, and others... can you see how I find the entire debate about plagerism to be total bullshit coming from the Clinton campaign?
That coupled with the fact that some of the greatest speeches in history were indeed snarfed in some way from someone else makes the entire debate... bullshit.
MLK got his stuff from others, and that man was NO PLAGERIST. He simply listened and learned from others.
That coupled with the fact that some of the greatest speeches in history were indeed snarfed in some way from someone else makes the entire debate... bullshit.
MLK got his stuff from others, and that man was NO PLAGERIST. He simply listened and learned from others.
Comment by Mondobubba on 02/19/2008 16:36:01
Mondobubba on 02/19/2008 16:36:01
Waterboarding The Carpenters hmmmmm which is worse. Are the two together the worst torture ever?
Comment by wickedpam on 02/19/2008 16:36:21
wickedpam on 02/19/2008 16:36:21
Dang now I feel the need to put some Carpenters into my iPod
Comment by Mondobubba on 02/19/2008 16:37:14
It smacks of flop sweating desperation.
Mondobubba on 02/19/2008 16:37:14
Quote by Raine: Mondo, and others... can you see how I find the entire debate about plagerism to be total bullshit coming from the Clinton campaign?
That coupled with the fact that some of the greatest speeches in history were indeed snarfed in some way from someone else makes the entire debate... bullshit.
MLK got his stuff from others, and that man was NO PLAGERIST. He simply listened and learned from others.
It smacks of flop sweating desperation.
Comment by wickedpam on 02/19/2008 16:38:06
I've know that writers borrow from each other, for a very long time. Did you know there are only about 7 original plotlines all the rest are variations of the same things.
wickedpam on 02/19/2008 16:38:06
Quote by Raine: Mondo, and others... can you see how I find the entire debate about plagerism to be total bullshit coming from the Clinton campaign?
That coupled with the fact that some of the greatest speeches in history were indeed snarfed in some way from someone else makes the entire debate... bullshit.
MLK got his stuff from others, and that man was NO PLAGERIST. He simply listened and learned from others.
I've know that writers borrow from each other, for a very long time. Did you know there are only about 7 original plotlines all the rest are variations of the same things.
Comment by Mondobubba on 02/19/2008 16:38:17
Mondobubba on 02/19/2008 16:38:17
I don't leave music on for my wee beasties. :shrug:
Comment by starling310 on 02/19/2008 16:38:19
starling310 on 02/19/2008 16:38:19
Are you supposed to leave music on for your pets?
Comment by BobR on 02/19/2008 16:38:57
BobR on 02/19/2008 16:38:57
lalalala - not listening to the Jody Foster talk - lalalala....
Comment by shelaghc on 02/19/2008 16:40:03
shelaghc on 02/19/2008 16:40:03
Totally off-topic.
I spoke to the owner of that awesome serving bar last night and I'll be picking it up from him this weekend!
They got it from an antique store originally. The only change they ever made was to replace the disintegrating felt on the underside of the top. Apparently "pink" was their new color of choice....
I wonder if I could change that without harming the bar.
I spoke to the owner of that awesome serving bar last night and I'll be picking it up from him this weekend!
They got it from an antique store originally. The only change they ever made was to replace the disintegrating felt on the underside of the top. Apparently "pink" was their new color of choice....
I wonder if I could change that without harming the bar.
Comment by shelaghc on 02/19/2008 16:40:45
I have a friend who leaves the TV set on for her pets when she's out all day.
shelaghc on 02/19/2008 16:40:45
Quote by starling310: Are you supposed to leave music on for your pets?
I have a friend who leaves the TV set on for her pets when she's out all day.
Comment by 
TriSec on 02/19/2008 16:41:02
TriSec on 02/19/2008 16:41:02
Note to self: Don't take two 5-day weekends in a row again. 
Comment by Raine on 02/19/2008 16:41:18
I thought I did.
Aww hell. I will keep on keeping on and tell him he has to vote, no matter what. I have told him that I don't care how he feels about the candidates, that he needs to vote.
Then the bastahd turned the tables on me.
He said that if I really believed in choice, then I should respect his choice to not vote.
F*cker.
:rofl:
NOW, I need to get RepubliDad to think about Obama. Good god, I wonder if the time it will take for this one vote is worth it.
Raine on 02/19/2008 16:41:18
Quote by starling310:Quote by Raine: My father probably will not vote at all, for the first time since he was 18 years old.
I have since decided that (and have told him so) that I would rather he not vote than vote for McCain.
OH dear... did I just disenfranchise him?
: joe biden : yes
Aww hell. I will keep on keeping on and tell him he has to vote, no matter what. I have told him that I don't care how he feels about the candidates, that he needs to vote.
Then the bastahd turned the tables on me.
He said that if I really believed in choice, then I should respect his choice to not vote.
F*cker.
:rofl:
NOW, I need to get RepubliDad to think about Obama. Good god, I wonder if the time it will take for this one vote is worth it.
Comment by Mondobubba on 02/19/2008 16:41:54
It's a California thing, Star. No worries.
Mondobubba on 02/19/2008 16:41:54
Quote by starling310: Are you supposed to leave music on for your pets?
It's a California thing, Star. No worries.
Comment by starling310 on 02/19/2008 16:42:09
: sneaks up behind behind Bobber and taps him on the shoulder :
SHE'S GAY!
starling310 on 02/19/2008 16:42:09
Quote by BobR: lalalala - not listening to the Jody Foster talk - lalalala....
: sneaks up behind behind Bobber and taps him on the shoulder :
SHE'S GAY!
Comment by Raine on 02/19/2008 16:43:02
What music did they use for Manuel Noriega???
Raine on 02/19/2008 16:43:02
Quote by Mondobubba: Waterboarding The Carpenters hmmmmm which is worse. Are the two together the worst torture ever?
What music did they use for Manuel Noriega???
Comment by Mondobubba on 02/19/2008 16:43:05
That she is a le-le-le-lesbian? :drama sting:
Mondobubba on 02/19/2008 16:43:05
Quote by BobR: lalalala - not listening to the Jody Foster talk - lalalala....
That she is a le-le-le-lesbian? :drama sting:
Comment by Mondobubba on 02/19/2008 16:43:28
Metal I think.
Mondobubba on 02/19/2008 16:43:28
Quote by Raine:Quote by Mondobubba: Waterboarding The Carpenters hmmmmm which is worse. Are the two together the worst torture ever?
What music did they use for Manuel Noriega???
Metal I think.
Comment by Raine on 02/19/2008 16:45:25
:clap:
I might be able to give you suggestions about replacing the felt. I am So happy you got that piece shelagh!
Raine on 02/19/2008 16:45:25
Quote by shelaghc: Totally off-topic.
I spoke to the owner of that awesome serving bar last night and I'll be picking it up from him this weekend!
They got it from an antique store originally. The only change they ever made was to replace the disintegrating felt on the underside of the top. Apparently "pink" was their new color of choice....
I wonder if I could change that without harming the bar.
I might be able to give you suggestions about replacing the felt. I am So happy you got that piece shelagh!
Comment by wickedpam on 02/19/2008 16:45:38
Metallica
wickedpam on 02/19/2008 16:45:38
Quote by Raine:Quote by Mondobubba: Waterboarding The Carpenters hmmmmm which is worse. Are the two together the worst torture ever?
What music did they use for Manuel Noriega???
Metallica
Comment by livingonli on 02/19/2008 16:45:44
I think she has thanked the woman who's been her partner over the last few years in her acceptance speeches. So she's out now.... well, sort of.
livingonli on 02/19/2008 16:45:44
Quote by starling310:Quote by BobR: lalalala - not listening to the Jody Foster talk - lalalala....
: sneaks up behind behind Bobber and taps him on the shoulder :
SHE'S GAY!
I think she has thanked the woman who's been her partner over the last few years in her acceptance speeches. So she's out now.... well, sort of.
Comment by Mondobubba on 02/19/2008 16:46:14
Mondobubba on 02/19/2008 16:46:14
Have mentioned lately how much ass these Bose in-ear headphones kick? I'm listening to Momma with em. When they go to the bump music I can hear the way low bass notes. :metal:
Comment by TriSec on 02/19/2008 16:46:24
TriSec on 02/19/2008 16:46:24
RepubliDad could always go and turn in a blank, Raine.
I had a brief conversation with a self declared "one of two remaining Republicans in Camden, Maine" this weekend. He's voting for Hilary.
I had a brief conversation with a self declared "one of two remaining Republicans in Camden, Maine" this weekend. He's voting for Hilary.
Comment by Raine on 02/19/2008 16:47:39
:rofl:
oh.
Mah.
Gawd.
Raine on 02/19/2008 16:47:39
Quote by wickedpam:Quote by Mondobubba: Can't breath Walken bit...:rofl:
Have you ever seen his cooking video?
:rofl:
oh.
Mah.
Gawd.
Comment by starling310 on 02/19/2008 16:48:36
starling310 on 02/19/2008 16:48:36
ED IN CHICAGO!!!!!
Comment by starling310 on 02/19/2008 16:49:27
starling310 on 02/19/2008 16:49:27
Oh. Ed. I've missed ya! 
:hug:
:hug:
Comment by starling310 on 02/19/2008 16:50:08
starling310 on 02/19/2008 16:50:08
Smitty?
Comment by starling310 on 02/19/2008 16:51:23
starling310 on 02/19/2008 16:51:23
Hey Smitty! A round of Lagavulin all around!
Comment by Mondobubba on 02/19/2008 16:51:43
Mondobubba on 02/19/2008 16:51:43
Buddy! Slowly I turned...
Comment by livingonli on 02/19/2008 16:52:27
livingonli on 02/19/2008 16:52:27
But did they play "Take the skinheads bowling"?
Comment by livingonli on 02/19/2008 16:56:51
livingonli on 02/19/2008 16:56:51
But didn't the Democratic Party also set up the whole Superdelegate mechanism because they didn't want another George McGovern to get the nomination?
Comment by BobR on 02/19/2008 16:57:07
BobR on 02/19/2008 16:57:07
oh fer chrissakes!
IT'S NOT PLAGIARISM IF THE ORIGINATOR GIVES PERMISSION!
IT'S NOT PLAGIARISM IF THE ORIGINATOR GIVES PERMISSION!
Comment by TriSec on 02/19/2008 16:59:35
TriSec on 02/19/2008 16:59:35
I posted it on the MB...
Governor Deval Patrick (D-MA) was interviewed by the local media about the whole "controversy", and Deval said, "It's a good speech. I told him to use it."
That really should be the end of it, no?
Governor Deval Patrick (D-MA) was interviewed by the local media about the whole "controversy", and Deval said, "It's a good speech. I told him to use it."
That really should be the end of it, no?
Comment by Raine on 02/19/2008 16:59:58
She has been out for a billion years.
And that partner (I hate that phrase sometimes) has been with Jodi for more than a few years.
An old bf of mine was friends with them when they all lived in the same area, that was more than 10 years ago.
Raine on 02/19/2008 16:59:58
Quote by livingonli:Quote by starling310:Quote by BobR: lalalala - not listening to the Jody Foster talk - lalalala....
: sneaks up behind behind Bobber and taps him on the shoulder :
SHE'S GAY!
I think she has thanked the woman who's been her partner over the last few years in her acceptance speeches. So she's out now.... well, sort of.
She has been out for a billion years.
And that partner (I hate that phrase sometimes) has been with Jodi for more than a few years.
An old bf of mine was friends with them when they all lived in the same area, that was more than 10 years ago.
Comment by Raine on 02/19/2008 17:00:54
Someone needs to tell The Senator from NY.
Raine on 02/19/2008 17:00:54
Quote by TriSec: I posted it on the MB...
Governor Deval Patrick (D-MA) was interviewed by the local media about the whole "controversy", and Deval said, "It's a good speech. I told him to use it."
That really should be the end of it, no?
Someone needs to tell The Senator from NY.
Comment by shelaghc on 02/19/2008 17:03:30
Maybe she just feels like it's her business and not a matter for the tabloids?
shelaghc on 02/19/2008 17:03:30
Quote by livingonli:Quote by starling310:Quote by BobR: lalalala - not listening to the Jody Foster talk - lalalala....
: sneaks up behind behind Bobber and taps him on the shoulder :
SHE'S GAY!
I think she has thanked the woman who's been her partner over the last few years in her acceptance speeches. So she's out now.... well, sort of.
Maybe she just feels like it's her business and not a matter for the tabloids?
Comment by Raine on 02/19/2008 17:05:24
It's the Karma baby.
You were just asking about him! :clap:
Raine on 02/19/2008 17:05:24
Quote by starling310: Oh. Ed. I've missed ya!
It's the Karma baby.
You were just asking about him! :clap:
Comment by livingonli on 02/19/2008 17:05:56
livingonli on 02/19/2008 17:05:56
I think Jody has just kept her private life to herself and didn't want to make a deal out of it. Anyone who knows her well enough apparently knows because she's not keeping it a secret but she's not discussing it in the media.
Comment by Raine on 02/19/2008 17:07:06
Raine on 02/19/2008 17:07:06
Quote by shelaghc:Quote by livingonli:Quote by starling310:Quote by BobR: lalalala - not listening to the Jody Foster talk - lalalala....
: sneaks up behind behind Bobber and taps him on the shoulder :
SHE'S GAY!
I think she has thanked the woman who's been her partner over the last few years in her acceptance speeches. So she's out now.... well, sort of.
Maybe she just feels like it's her business and not a matter for the tabloids?
Comment by livingonli on 02/19/2008 17:07:16
livingonli on 02/19/2008 17:07:16
Raul Castro is still older than Grampa McCain.
Comment by Raine on 02/19/2008 17:09:28
Raine on 02/19/2008 17:09:28
John Linder and Neil Boortz are gonna be on Thom.. GAWD.
I look forward to thom taking on the stupidity about the Fair tax.
I look forward to thom taking on the stupidity about the Fair tax.
Comment by Raine on 02/19/2008 17:11:23
Amen Liv! Thus the whole idea about privacy.
Raine on 02/19/2008 17:11:23
Quote by livingonli: I think Jody has just kept her private life to herself and didn't want to make a deal out of it. Anyone who knows her well enough apparently knows because she's not keeping it a secret but she's not discussing it in the media.
Amen Liv! Thus the whole idea about privacy.
Comment by Raine on 02/19/2008 17:13:04
That damn Rock and Roll!!!
Raine on 02/19/2008 17:13:04
Quote by wickedpam:Quote by Raine:Quote by Mondobubba: Waterboarding The Carpenters hmmmmm which is worse. Are the two together the worst torture ever?
What music did they use for Manuel Noriega???
Metallica
That damn Rock and Roll!!!
Comment by shelaghc on 02/19/2008 17:13:48
As Michael Moore said:
shelaghc on 02/19/2008 17:13:48
Quote by livingonli: Raul Castro is still older than Grampa McCain.
As Michael Moore said:
Fidel Castro’s no worse than any other South American dictator the US supported through the 1970s, ‘80s, and ‘90s. He just wasn’t our dictator.
Comment by Raine on 02/19/2008 17:15:23
Raine on 02/19/2008 17:15:23
OMG.
Listenign to Thom. YES. Bush has gone off the rails.
He just said the war is helping the economy. HE said that too many houses being built destroyed the economy.
Wow, what a simplistic idiot.
Listenign to Thom. YES. Bush has gone off the rails.
He just said the war is helping the economy. HE said that too many houses being built destroyed the economy.
Wow, what a simplistic idiot.
Comment by livingonli on 02/19/2008 17:19:44
I think the whole issue of her sexual orientation started when Silence of the Lambs came out, and many gay rights groups critiqued the film and director Jonathan Demme for the portrayl of serial killer Buffalo Bill with several gay stereotypes (ie the fashion tendencies, the poodle named Precious). They were pissed that Jodie Foster would be in such a film considering her "relationship".
livingonli on 02/19/2008 17:19:44
Quote by Raine:Quote by livingonli: I think Jody has just kept her private life to herself and didn't want to make a deal out of it. Anyone who knows her well enough apparently knows because she's not keeping it a secret but she's not discussing it in the media.
Amen Liv! Thus the whole idea about privacy.
I think the whole issue of her sexual orientation started when Silence of the Lambs came out, and many gay rights groups critiqued the film and director Jonathan Demme for the portrayl of serial killer Buffalo Bill with several gay stereotypes (ie the fashion tendencies, the poodle named Precious). They were pissed that Jodie Foster would be in such a film considering her "relationship".
Comment by BobR on 02/19/2008 17:36:22
BobR on 02/19/2008 17:36:22
Holy Crap - Thom just said that there is one taser death per week in the U.S. :o
Comment by livingonli on 02/19/2008 17:47:34
livingonli on 02/19/2008 17:47:34
Scalia should be impeached. How many times has he violated judicial ethics by voting in cases where he was not a neutral party in? His son was on the legal team for the Bush side in Bush v. Gore.
Another party before principle Republican. The whole lot of them should be in fucking jail.
Another party before principle Republican. The whole lot of them should be in fucking jail.
Comment by TriSec on 02/19/2008 18:00:29
TriSec on 02/19/2008 18:00:29
And now my iTunes is still fixated on West Side Story....
958 songs in my library, and all I get is Leonard Bernstein.
:kickcan:
958 songs in my library, and all I get is Leonard Bernstein.
:kickcan:
Comment by starling310 on 02/19/2008 18:07:46
starling310 on 02/19/2008 18:07:46
Neil Boortz! :puke:
Comment by starling310 on 02/19/2008 18:12:57
You probably already know this, Tri, but there is a setting on your itunes with which you can tell your ipod if you want it to be More, or Less likely that it will play songs by the same artist.
starling310 on 02/19/2008 18:12:57
Quote by TriSec: And now my iTunes is still fixated on West Side Story....
958 songs in my library, and all I get is Leonard Bernstein.
:kickcan:
You probably already know this, Tri, but there is a setting on your itunes with which you can tell your ipod if you want it to be More, or Less likely that it will play songs by the same artist.
Comment by starling310 on 02/19/2008 18:15:31
starling310 on 02/19/2008 18:15:31
Neil Boortz trying to debate Thom?
: diane wiest : "No don't speak. . . No, Silence. Silence. Don't speak!"
: diane wiest : "No don't speak. . . No, Silence. Silence. Don't speak!"
Comment by livingonli on 02/19/2008 18:24:01
livingonli on 02/19/2008 18:24:01
Neal Boortz. What an elitist scumbag. It's interesting how all the rightie tax-cutting plans make anyone who is not in the top 2% pay more in taxes leaving only they and their buddies paying less in taxes. Just like the Reagan and Bush tax cuts have done.
Comment by shelaghc on 02/19/2008 18:26:36
That is *so* weird you posted this. I've got "Somethin's Comin'" from WSS running in my head right now!
shelaghc on 02/19/2008 18:26:36
Quote by TriSec: And now my iTunes is still fixated on West Side Story....
958 songs in my library, and all I get is Leonard Bernstein.
:kickcan:
That is *so* weird you posted this. I've got "Somethin's Comin'" from WSS running in my head right now!
Comment by livingonli on 02/19/2008 18:29:56
I sense a blog mind-meld.
livingonli on 02/19/2008 18:29:56
Quote by shelaghc:Quote by TriSec: And now my iTunes is still fixated on West Side Story....
958 songs in my library, and all I get is Leonard Bernstein.
:kickcan:
That is *so* weird you posted this. I've got "Somethin's Comin'" from WSS running in my head right now!
I sense a blog mind-meld.
Comment by livingonli on 02/19/2008 18:59:52
livingonli on 02/19/2008 18:59:52
Yeah, is that guy going to work until he's an old man and drops dead? Or is that caller one of those young Republicans who lives off daddy's trust fund and lets the poor kids go off to fight the wars he supports?
Comment by wickedpam on 02/19/2008 19:24:11
Seeing as I doubt there will be social security when I want to retire and I have no savings or a spouse to fall back on - I know I will be working until I can't physically do it any longer.
wickedpam on 02/19/2008 19:24:11
Quote by livingonli: Yeah, is that guy going to work until he's an old man and drops dead? Or is that caller one of those young Republicans who lives off daddy's trust fund and lets the poor kids go off to fight the wars he supports?
Seeing as I doubt there will be social security when I want to retire and I have no savings or a spouse to fall back on - I know I will be working until I can't physically do it any longer.
Comment by TriSec on 02/19/2008 19:33:41
TriSec on 02/19/2008 19:33:41
*snort*
Well, I just got a spam IM to check out someone's Sseexxualliy eckspjicitt website...
But before I blocked it, I Im'd back "Gorbachev sings tractors: Turnip! Buttocks!"
Well, I just got a spam IM to check out someone's Sseexxualliy eckspjicitt website...
But before I blocked it, I Im'd back "Gorbachev sings tractors: Turnip! Buttocks!"
Comment by livingonli on 02/19/2008 19:59:47
Hopefully Social Securtiy can be saved before the Republicans destroy it. I don't want to be working when I am an old man.
And on that note, I have to head off to work.
livingonli on 02/19/2008 19:59:47
Quote by wickedpam:Quote by livingonli: Yeah, is that guy going to work until he's an old man and drops dead? Or is that caller one of those young Republicans who lives off daddy's trust fund and lets the poor kids go off to fight the wars he supports?
Seeing as I doubt there will be social security when I want to retire and I have no savings or a spouse to fall back on - I know I will be working until I can't physically do it any longer.
Hopefully Social Securtiy can be saved before the Republicans destroy it. I don't want to be working when I am an old man.
And on that note, I have to head off to work.
Comment by m-hadley on 02/19/2008 20:38:30
m-hadley on 02/19/2008 20:38:30
Anybody listening to Randi now? She just finished explaining how Clinton may go after the pledged delegates - apparently nothing is sacred 
Comment by Mondobubba on 02/19/2008 20:42:52
Ah, yes the famed iTunes/Pod music ditch. Even with a bunch of mathamaticians working on Riemann zeta functions and cryptographers doing fancy things with random number theory Apple still can't get the shuffle feature to be only slightly random.
Mondobubba on 02/19/2008 20:42:52
Quote by TriSec: And now my iTunes is still fixated on West Side Story....
958 songs in my library, and all I get is Leonard Bernstein.
:kickcan:
Ah, yes the famed iTunes/Pod music ditch. Even with a bunch of mathamaticians working on Riemann zeta functions and cryptographers doing fancy things with random number theory Apple still can't get the shuffle feature to be only slightly random.
Comment by Mondobubba on 02/19/2008 20:43:35
Mondobubba on 02/19/2008 20:43:35
BTW afternoon everybody
Comment by m-hadley on 02/19/2008 20:56:14
Heya Mondo,
How's your nose - still running and blowing? Hope you are feeling better :)
Cheers,
mfaye
m-hadley on 02/19/2008 20:56:14
Quote by Mondobubba: BTW afternoon everybody
Heya Mondo,
How's your nose - still running and blowing? Hope you are feeling better :)
Cheers,
mfaye
Comment by livingonli on 02/19/2008 21:18:07
If Hillary gets (or steals) the nomination, I am afraid we may very well end up with President McCain.
livingonli on 02/19/2008 21:18:07
Quote by m-hadley: Anybody listening to Randi now? She just finished explaining how Clinton may go after the pledged delegates - apparently nothing is sacred
If Hillary gets (or steals) the nomination, I am afraid we may very well end up with President McCain.
Comment by Mondobubba on 02/19/2008 21:28:11
No, I am in more of the wet sock up my nose thing right now.
Mondobubba on 02/19/2008 21:28:11
Quote by m-hadley:Quote by Mondobubba: BTW afternoon everybody
Heya Mondo,
How's your nose - still running and blowing? Hope you are feeling better :)
Cheers,
mfaye
No, I am in more of the wet sock up my nose thing right now.
Comment by Mondobubba on 02/19/2008 21:29:01
Mondobubba on 02/19/2008 21:29:01
Oh obscure mathematics lightly stunned the blog!
Comment by wickedpam on 02/19/2008 21:45:38
wickedpam on 02/19/2008 21:45:38
*sigh*
Would you like Gouda or Rochfort with that whine Randi.....
Would you like Gouda or Rochfort with that whine Randi.....
Comment by livingonli on 02/19/2008 21:49:02
What's she doing now?
livingonli on 02/19/2008 21:49:02
Quote by wickedpam: *sigh*
Would you like Gouda or Rochfort with that whine Randi.....
What's she doing now?
Comment by wickedpam on 02/19/2008 21:56:27
wah, wah, wah, Bill Maher steals from me, wah, Democrats are jealous people, wah, liberal media doesn't like me....
same old thing...
wickedpam on 02/19/2008 21:56:27
Quote by livingonli:Quote by wickedpam: *sigh*
Would you like Gouda or Rochfort with that whine Randi.....
What's she doing now?
wah, wah, wah, Bill Maher steals from me, wah, Democrats are jealous people, wah, liberal media doesn't like me....
same old thing...
Comment by m-hadley on 02/19/2008 22:01:07
That is my greatest fear, too, Liv,
That is exactly why I have not supported Hillary from the get-go (that and other issues that I have with her), but primarily because I understand that nobody, but nobody, will rally the right-wing wacko base like having Hillary Clinton on the ballot. I sure as sh*t ain't living in a country with a presidunce mccain
m-hadley on 02/19/2008 22:01:07
Quote by livingonli:Quote by m-hadley: Anybody listening to Randi now? She just finished explaining how Clinton may go after the pledged delegates - apparently nothing is sacred
If Hillary gets (or steals) the nomination, I am afraid we may very well end up with President McCain.
That is my greatest fear, too, Liv,
That is exactly why I have not supported Hillary from the get-go (that and other issues that I have with her), but primarily because I understand that nobody, but nobody, will rally the right-wing wacko base like having Hillary Clinton on the ballot. I sure as sh*t ain't living in a country with a presidunce mccain
Comment by m-hadley on 02/19/2008 22:05:23
m-hadley on 02/19/2008 22:05:23
Hope you all will stick around - I'm on the ref desk 'til 8:00pm tonight and I'll be checking the primary returns (at least Wisconsin - don't know about Hawa'ii - that'll be purty late...) :)
Comment by livingonli on 02/19/2008 22:06:01
Sounds like she's looking for this. :violin:
livingonli on 02/19/2008 22:06:01
Quote by wickedpam:Quote by livingonli:Quote by wickedpam: *sigh*
Would you like Gouda or Rochfort with that whine Randi.....
What's she doing now?
wah, wah, wah, Bill Maher steals from me, wah, Democrats are jealous people, wah, liberal media doesn't like me....
same old thing...
Sounds like she's looking for this. :violin:
Comment by livingonli on 02/19/2008 22:11:21
livingonli on 02/19/2008 22:11:21
I'll be floating around. My dinner break is 8 PM.
Comment by Raine on 02/19/2008 22:18:28
Raine on 02/19/2008 22:18:28
I know what you are saying Mala.
Jeepers. you would think she is accusing people of plagerizing her... :P
Jeepers. you would think she is accusing people of plagerizing her... :P
Comment by Raine on 02/19/2008 22:20:44
We will be around Faye.
I am so gonna watch the returns. I am a political/news/wanna know what is going on in the world junkie, after all!
Raine on 02/19/2008 22:20:44
Quote by m-hadley: Hope you all will stick around - I'm on the ref desk 'til 8:00pm tonight and I'll be checking the primary returns (at least Wisconsin - don't know about Hawa'ii - that'll be purty late...) :)
I am so gonna watch the returns. I am a political/news/wanna know what is going on in the world junkie, after all!
Comment by Raine on 02/19/2008 22:22:40
That is so Hot.
Raine on 02/19/2008 22:22:40
Quote by Mondobubba:Quote by m-hadley:Quote by Mondobubba: BTW afternoon everybody
Heya Mondo,
How's your nose - still running and blowing? Hope you are feeling better :)
Cheers,
mfaye
No, I am in more of the wet sock up my nose thing right now.
Comment by livingonli on 02/19/2008 22:23:57
Sounds like she's looking for a pity party. 
livingonli on 02/19/2008 22:23:57
Quote by Raine: I know what you are saying Mala.
Jeepers. you would think she is accusing people of plagerizing her... :P
Sounds like she's looking for a pity party.
Comment by Raine on 02/19/2008 22:34:15
As Randi always says, do the research for yourself.
If this is what the Clinton campaign plans to do. I am done.
Raine on 02/19/2008 22:34:15
Quote by m-hadley: Anybody listening to Randi now? She just finished explaining how Clinton may go after the pledged delegates - apparently nothing is sacred
As Randi always says, do the research for yourself.
If this is what the Clinton campaign plans to do. I am done.
Comment by livingonli on 02/19/2008 22:35:24
livingonli on 02/19/2008 22:35:24
When I was in the break room re-filling my water bottle, Showtime West was running some really creepy Chuck Norris film where it looked like he was playing a corrupt sheriff . 
Comment by livingonli on 02/19/2008 22:49:17
livingonli on 02/19/2008 22:49:17
Raine, do you wish you had the international news channels like BBC World, CBC NewsWorld, France 24, or the English Al-Jazeera channel?
Cablevision here does have BBC World and EuroNews which is a pan-European headline news service.
Cablevision here does have BBC World and EuroNews which is a pan-European headline news service.
Comment by m-hadley on 02/19/2008 22:50:58
Cool Beans, Raine,
I'm headin' out to the ref desk now, when do the polls close in Cheeseheadlandia?
m-hadley on 02/19/2008 22:50:58
Quote by Raine:We will be around Faye.Quote by m-hadley: Hope you all will stick around - I'm on the ref desk 'til 8:00pm tonight and I'll be checking the primary returns (at least Wisconsin - don't know about Hawa'ii - that'll be purty late...) :)
I am so gonna watch the returns. I am a political/news/wanna know what is going on in the world junkie, after all!
Cool Beans, Raine,
I'm headin' out to the ref desk now, when do the polls close in Cheeseheadlandia?
Comment by livingonli on 02/19/2008 23:07:53
livingonli on 02/19/2008 23:07:53
AAP is still down.
Comment by Raine on 02/19/2008 23:16:13
9 pm EST. I assume that is 8 pm for you and for others in the central zone, correct?
Raine on 02/19/2008 23:16:13
Quote by m-hadley:Cool Beans, Raine, I'm headin' out to the ref desk now, when do the polls close in Cheeseheadlandia?Quote by Raine:We will be around Faye. I am so gonna watch the returns. I am a political/news/wanna know what is going on in the world junkie, after all!Quote by m-hadley: Hope you all will stick around - I'm on the ref desk 'til 8:00pm tonight and I'll be checking the primary returns (at least Wisconsin - don't know about Hawa'ii - that'll be purty late...) :)
Comment by m-hadley on 02/19/2008 23:30:10
Sounds correct, Raine,
Guess I'll have to follow along once I get home tonight - from one political junkie to another ... :hug:
m-hadley on 02/19/2008 23:30:10
Quote by Raine:9 pm EST. I assume that is 8 pm for you and for others in the central zone, correct?Quote by m-hadley:Quote by Raine:We will be around Faye.Quote by m-hadley: Hope you all will stick around - I'm on the ref desk 'til 8:00pm tonight and I'll be checking the primary returns (at least Wisconsin - don't know about Hawa'ii - that'll be purty late...) :)
I am so gonna watch the returns. I am a political/news/wanna know what is going on in the world junkie, after all!
Cool Beans, Raine,
I'm headin' out to the ref desk now, when do the polls close in Cheeseheadlandia?
Sounds correct, Raine,
Guess I'll have to follow along once I get home tonight - from one political junkie to another ... :hug:
Comment by Raine on 02/20/2008 00:01:05
Raine on 02/20/2008 00:01:05
we are all junkies around here I suspect.
:P
Comment by BobR on 02/20/2008 00:01:14
They're always welcome here and at the board if they can stomach it.
BobR on 02/20/2008 00:01:14
Quote by livingonli: AAP is still down.
They're always welcome here and at the board if they can stomach it.
Comment by TriSec on 02/20/2008 00:05:30
TriSec on 02/20/2008 00:05:30
Evening folks...just a brief hello before heading out to class.
This one's for Mondo, the tune I'm working on this week is "Goodbye Porkpie Hat".
toodles!
This one's for Mondo, the tune I'm working on this week is "Goodbye Porkpie Hat".
toodles!
Comment by Raine on 02/20/2008 00:08:18
They are welcome here period. ;)
Hopefully we can all come together, unlike the democratic party as it seems at this point.
Raine on 02/20/2008 00:08:18
Quote by BobR:They're always welcome here and at the board if they can stomach it.Quote by livingonli: AAP is still down.
Comment by Raine on 02/20/2008 00:10:10
Later gator! twenty two sca-doo! (or something like that... :redface:)
Raine on 02/20/2008 00:10:10
Quote by TriSec: Evening folks...just a brief hello before heading out to class. This one's for Mondo, the tune I'm working on this week is "Goodbye Porkpie Hat". toodles!
Comment by livingonli on 02/20/2008 00:12:38
I believe it's twenty-three skidd-oo. Have I watched too many old cartoons or what?
livingonli on 02/20/2008 00:12:38
Quote by Raine:Later gator! twenty two sca-doo! (or something like that... :redface:)Quote by TriSec: Evening folks...just a brief hello before heading out to class.
This one's for Mondo, the tune I'm working on this week is "Goodbye Porkpie Hat".
toodles!
I believe it's twenty-three skidd-oo. Have I watched too many old cartoons or what?
Comment by Mondobubba on 02/20/2008 02:07:49
Mondobubba on 02/20/2008 02:07:49
howdy all.
Comment by m-hadley on 02/20/2008 02:10:09
m-hadley on 02/20/2008 02:10:09
CNN has already called Wisconsin for McCain - poor Huckleberry
Comment by Mondobubba on 02/20/2008 02:11:20
Good Bye Pork Pie Hat or Theme For Lester Young?
Mondobubba on 02/20/2008 02:11:20
Quote by TriSec: Evening folks...just a brief hello before heading out to class.
This one's for Mondo, the tune I'm working on this week is "Goodbye Porkpie Hat".
toodles!
Good Bye Pork Pie Hat or Theme For Lester Young?
Comment by Raine on 02/20/2008 02:12:52
Raine on 02/20/2008 02:12:52
OK, I am here... has a nice dinner, went for a walk... I come back and see that McCain is fearmongering after he won in Wisconsin. That is so CHEESEY.
Comment by Raine on 02/20/2008 02:14:15
:rofl: I am glad at least one of us has!!
Raine on 02/20/2008 02:14:15
Quote by livingonli:I believe it's twenty-three skidd-oo. Have I watched too many old cartoons or what?Quote by Raine:Later gator! twenty two sca-doo! (or something like that... :redface:)Quote by TriSec: Evening folks...just a brief hello before heading out to class. This one's for Mondo, the tune I'm working on this week is "Goodbye Porkpie Hat". toodles!
Comment by Raine on 02/20/2008 02:18:09
Raine on 02/20/2008 02:18:09
OK, I HATE that McCain uses *my friends* I find it so fake.
And I hate that he is the war candidate. war, fear, kill, my friends, hate, war, fear, kill, *my friends*
Comment by Raine on 02/20/2008 02:19:01
Raine on 02/20/2008 02:19:01
MSNBC just called Barack as the winner in Wisconsin.
The key now is the delagates.
Comment by Raine on 02/20/2008 02:20:09
Raine on 02/20/2008 02:20:09
54% -45% with 0% in...
IF he get's more than 60%, doesn't he take all the delagates?
Comment by Mondobubba on 02/20/2008 02:20:09
Mondobubba on 02/20/2008 02:20:09
Quote by Raine: OK, I am here... has a nice dinner, went for a walk... I come back and see that McCain is fearmongering after he won in Wisconsin. That is so CHEESEY.
Comment by Mondobubba on 02/20/2008 02:21:58
McCain=fear mongering ass-faced fuckhead. Kind like Bush, but older and far creepier.
Mondobubba on 02/20/2008 02:21:58
Quote by Raine: OK, I HATE that McCain uses *my friends* I find it so fake.
And I hate that he is the war candidate. war, fear, kill, my friends, hate, war, fear, kill, *my friends*
McCain=fear mongering ass-faced fuckhead. Kind like Bush, but older and far creepier.
Comment by Mondobubba on 02/20/2008 02:25:41
Mondobubba on 02/20/2008 02:25:41
Ya know I'm still massively pissed at David Simon. You and Bob will know why when you watch it tomorrow.
Comment by Raine on 02/20/2008 02:53:47
Raine on 02/20/2008 02:53:47
I must say that Obama is giving a flaming, smoking hot speech tonite.
Compare and contrast to Hillary... just saying.
Comment by Raine on 02/20/2008 02:55:32
Raine on 02/20/2008 02:55:32
What are the percentages that the tv Mosheen is giving? At this point I am VERY interested in the number.
Comment by m-hadley on 02/20/2008 03:01:49
Oh yeah, I love the line about CEOs who make more in 15 minutes than workers make in a year. He's hitting all the right (er correct) notes for me tonight :)
m-hadley on 02/20/2008 03:01:49
Quote by Raine: I must say that Obama is giving a flaming, smoking hot speech tonite.
Compare and contrast to Hillary... just saying.
Oh yeah, I love the line about CEOs who make more in 15 minutes than workers make in a year. He's hitting all the right (er correct) notes for me tonight :)
Comment by livingonli on 02/20/2008 03:06:06
livingonli on 02/20/2008 03:06:06
Raine, Knicks won in overtime (for a change). Right now, Rangers and Les Habs are going into overtime.
Comment by Raine on 02/20/2008 03:06:40
Raine on 02/20/2008 03:06:40
This speech is really amazing tonite. For the first time, i am really hearing some of the same message that I used to hear From John Edwards.
Comment by Raine on 02/20/2008 03:08:43
So I am not the only one, I see!
How about what he said about making sure kids get an education if they are willing to do community service? I am VERY impressed tonite. VERY.
Raine on 02/20/2008 03:08:43
Quote by m-hadley:Oh yeah, I love the line about CEOs who make more in 15 minutes than workers make in a year. He's hitting all the right (er correct) notes for me tonight :)Quote by Raine: I must say that Obama is giving a flaming, smoking hot speech tonite. Compare and contrast to Hillary... just saying.
Comment by Raine on 02/20/2008 03:10:06
Raine on 02/20/2008 03:10:06
For the first time, in all this time, I feel like I am watching the next president of the United states.
And, for the record, I do not have obama fever.
Comment by Raine on 02/20/2008 03:11:36
Raine on 02/20/2008 03:11:36
Wow, what a concept... America rediscovering the power of Diplomacy
Comment by m-hadley on 02/20/2008 03:18:47
I heard tonight that the swift boaters are already on the attack, gunning for Michelle Obama for saying that her husband's candidacy makes her proud to be an American again. Tonight I agree wholeheartedly with Michelle Obama, and I wish the swift boaters would just curl up and drown in their own vile hatred, I'm just sayin'....
m-hadley on 02/20/2008 03:18:47
Quote by Raine: For the first time, in all this time, I feel like I am watching the next president of the United states.
And, for the record, I do not have obama fever.
I heard tonight that the swift boaters are already on the attack, gunning for Michelle Obama for saying that her husband's candidacy makes her proud to be an American again. Tonight I agree wholeheartedly with Michelle Obama, and I wish the swift boaters would just curl up and drown in their own vile hatred, I'm just sayin'....
Comment by Raine on 02/20/2008 03:25:58
Raine on 02/20/2008 03:25:58
Chris Matthews doesn't know what to do. He is not willing to admit that Obama is actually in the lead.
Comment by Raine on 02/20/2008 03:28:19
I would like to say I am surprised about the swiftboaters. I am not.
... I will say this, and I heard it on Randi and I agree, Michelle as a black woman has EVERY fuking right to say that this is the first time in her adult life that she is proud. They are pigs if they are going to attack a woman, period. I say bring 'em on.
Raine on 02/20/2008 03:28:19
Quote by m-hadley:I heard tonight that the swift boaters are already on the attack, gunning for Michelle Obama for saying that her husband's candidacy makes her proud to be an American again. Tonight I agree wholeheartedly with Michelle Obama, and I wish the swift boaters would just curl up and drown in their own vile hatred, I'm just sayin'....Quote by Raine: For the first time, in all this time, I feel like I am watching the next president of the United states. And, for the record, I do not have obama fever.
Comment by livingonli on 02/20/2008 03:31:21
I think he's been despondent ever since his man crush Ghouilani bailed out of the race.
livingonli on 02/20/2008 03:31:21
Quote by Raine: Chris Matthews doesn't know what to do. He is not willing to admit that Obama is actually in the lead.
I think he's been despondent ever since his man crush Ghouilani bailed out of the race.
Comment by Raine on 02/20/2008 03:57:33
Raine on 02/20/2008 03:57:33
Tim russert said that Hillary has to win 58- 65% of ALL the remaining delegates to win the nomination. Mathematically, that is a rough row to hoe. Let me see if I can paraphrase this... assuming that Obama wins upcoming states like VT, WY and SD, (which seems likely at this point) that means that Clinton has to win 65% of the elected delegates of TX, OH and PA. The thing is, I am not sure who will win TX or OH.
Comment by Raine on 02/20/2008 04:13:28
Raine on 02/20/2008 04:13:28
MSNBC is saying that Clinton has to get 58% o the delegates just to get in the lead at this point.
Comment by Raine on 02/20/2008 04:14:46
Raine on 02/20/2008 04:14:46
HE needs 65% of all the delagates to get the nomination.
*sigh*
we suffer from a wealth of riches.
Comment by livingonli on 02/20/2008 04:15:56
livingonli on 02/20/2008 04:15:56
Is Rachel on the MSNBC coverage tonight?
Comment by m-hadley on 02/20/2008 04:19:37
m-hadley on 02/20/2008 04:19:37
Night night everybody... Sweet dreams :)
cheers,
mfaye
cheers,
mfaye
Comment by livingonli on 02/20/2008 04:22:43
livingonli on 02/20/2008 04:22:43
Good night Faye. Sweet dreams to you too. :)
Comment by Raine on 02/20/2008 04:45:02
Raine on 02/20/2008 04:45:02
PAt needs to lay the FUCK off Michelle Obama.
Comment by Raine on 02/20/2008 04:45:55
Raine on 02/20/2008 04:45:55
Gnite faye!
See you in the AM! :)
See you in the AM! :)
Comment by Raine on 02/20/2008 04:46:43
She is liv, and she has been kicking ass.
Raine on 02/20/2008 04:46:43
Quote by livingonli: Is Rachel on the MSNBC coverage tonight?
Comment by livingonli on 02/20/2008 04:46:54
You want me to take care of 'im?
livingonli on 02/20/2008 04:46:54
Quote by Raine: PAt needs to lay the FUCK off Michelle Obama.
You want me to take care of 'im?
Comment by livingonli on 02/20/2008 05:00:10
livingonli on 02/20/2008 05:00:10
Time to go home I probably won't be online when I get home so have a good night everyone. :hug:
:hug: