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The Job Interview
Author: BobR
Date: 09/28/2011 12:46:33
Imagine you are interviewing for a job. You sit down with the hiring manager and and start saying things like this: "I've been looking at the background on your company, and I have to say - I really despise it. I think you make WAY too much money, and if I'm lucky enough to get hired here, I will do my best to destroy you from the inside. That is - when I am not taking long vacations and wasting my time on trivial matters and getting into pissing contests with the other employees..."
Would you get hired? Would anyone in their right mind hire you if that's how you presented yourself? Why would a company hire someone that hates the company, and vows to weaken it? Yet every year, people do just that on election day.
The Republican party used to be the party of slow reasonable change. Beginning with Ronald Reagan, though, the demonization of government began. His comment that the scariest phrase in the English language was "I'm from the government, and I'm here to help" set the stage for later "ALL government is bad" philosphies. Like a perfect storm, that mindset merged with the Libertarian limited-government-role in our personal lives, to become the anti-growth keep government out of business regulations meme that was borne of this unholy union.
At least Grover Norquist (of the "drown government in a bathtub" fame) had the propriety to leave the government he so hated. Look at what the rest of the Republican politicians say and do, AND run for office:
Once the Republicans took over the House in Jan 2011, they have been taking a week off every month for "working in their home districts". One would hope they do some work there, because they certainly aren't doing any work here in DC. On top of that, they took the entire month of August off, leaving the FAA unfunded, creating havoc in the lives of thousands of working people. Sure, many workers take all of August off in Europe (you know - those "socialist" countries), but most people don't demonize the government that pays their salaries and provides their benefits while doing so. Considering that some of these people (Boehner, Cantor, Ron Paul) have been sucking on the government teat for years, their hypocrisy is more than bit disgusting.
Anyone lucky enough to be elected to national office should approach the position with a certain level of gravity, gratitude, and honor, knowing they are being paid by the taxpayers to be their voice in how their government is run (it IS called public service), and how their tax dollars are allocated. Yet Republicans consistently pander to small minority interests against what polling shows are the desires of most Americans, and act as though the government owes them while they either work to destroy it, or don't work at all.
We've already had a near government shutdown, and a credit crisis, and we are closing in on yet another shutdown. It boggles the mind to think that something as basic as keeping the lights on in government is a line-in-the-sand moment for these guys. This is not about deciding whether to declare war, or amending the Constitution. This is simply keeping the money flowing. Why? Because one of the most basic roles of government - helping those hit by a natural disaster - is being held hostage for a few dollars in spending cuts. Seven billion dollars for FEMA may seem like a lot of money, but it is fractions of a penny out of each tax dollar collected.
The Republicans are making a huge fuss over nickle-and-dime stuff like this (or - more accurately - pennies), when in the Big Picture, the tax cuts and defense spending make a much larger impact on our budget. Of course - it could be simply political. Perhaps the Republicans are so dead-set against allowing President Obama a "win" (e.g.: a FEMA that works) that they are willing to sacrifice Americans' homes, livelihoods, and even lives if it means making him look bad. I hate to be that cynical, but their actions speak for themselves.
With some states' primaries occurring in January and February, the campaigns for president and Congress are really starting to wind up. A campaign is a job interview, and we are the hiring managers. Do we really want to hire someone that hates the company? Think about THAT when you vote.
Would you get hired? Would anyone in their right mind hire you if that's how you presented yourself? Why would a company hire someone that hates the company, and vows to weaken it? Yet every year, people do just that on election day.
The Republican party used to be the party of slow reasonable change. Beginning with Ronald Reagan, though, the demonization of government began. His comment that the scariest phrase in the English language was "I'm from the government, and I'm here to help" set the stage for later "ALL government is bad" philosphies. Like a perfect storm, that mindset merged with the Libertarian limited-government-role in our personal lives, to become the anti-growth keep government out of business regulations meme that was borne of this unholy union.
At least Grover Norquist (of the "drown government in a bathtub" fame) had the propriety to leave the government he so hated. Look at what the rest of the Republican politicians say and do, AND run for office:
Once the Republicans took over the House in Jan 2011, they have been taking a week off every month for "working in their home districts". One would hope they do some work there, because they certainly aren't doing any work here in DC. On top of that, they took the entire month of August off, leaving the FAA unfunded, creating havoc in the lives of thousands of working people. Sure, many workers take all of August off in Europe (you know - those "socialist" countries), but most people don't demonize the government that pays their salaries and provides their benefits while doing so. Considering that some of these people (Boehner, Cantor, Ron Paul) have been sucking on the government teat for years, their hypocrisy is more than bit disgusting.
Anyone lucky enough to be elected to national office should approach the position with a certain level of gravity, gratitude, and honor, knowing they are being paid by the taxpayers to be their voice in how their government is run (it IS called public service), and how their tax dollars are allocated. Yet Republicans consistently pander to small minority interests against what polling shows are the desires of most Americans, and act as though the government owes them while they either work to destroy it, or don't work at all.
We've already had a near government shutdown, and a credit crisis, and we are closing in on yet another shutdown. It boggles the mind to think that something as basic as keeping the lights on in government is a line-in-the-sand moment for these guys. This is not about deciding whether to declare war, or amending the Constitution. This is simply keeping the money flowing. Why? Because one of the most basic roles of government - helping those hit by a natural disaster - is being held hostage for a few dollars in spending cuts. Seven billion dollars for FEMA may seem like a lot of money, but it is fractions of a penny out of each tax dollar collected.
The Republicans are making a huge fuss over nickle-and-dime stuff like this (or - more accurately - pennies), when in the Big Picture, the tax cuts and defense spending make a much larger impact on our budget. Of course - it could be simply political. Perhaps the Republicans are so dead-set against allowing President Obama a "win" (e.g.: a FEMA that works) that they are willing to sacrifice Americans' homes, livelihoods, and even lives if it means making him look bad. I hate to be that cynical, but their actions speak for themselves.
With some states' primaries occurring in January and February, the campaigns for president and Congress are really starting to wind up. A campaign is a job interview, and we are the hiring managers. Do we really want to hire someone that hates the company? Think about THAT when you vote.
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Comment by 
Mondobubba on 09/28/2011 12:52:58
Mondobubba on 09/28/2011 12:52:58
So forget that question about the 404 not found error, Much have been a server glich.
Comment by 
TriSec on 09/28/2011 13:05:10
TriSec on 09/28/2011 13:05:10
Comment by 
BobR on 09/28/2011 13:32:54
BobR on 09/28/2011 13:32:54
blog is up.
Comment by 
wickedpam on 09/28/2011 13:42:30
wickedpam on 09/28/2011 13:42:30
Morning 
Comment by 
Scoopster on 09/28/2011 13:51:14
Scoopster on 09/28/2011 13:51:14
Mornin' all & Happy Humpdee! 
Welp.. not coughing as much today, and I slept well thanks to Mr. Vike, so I'm back in the office today.
Welp.. not coughing as much today, and I slept well thanks to Mr. Vike, so I'm back in the office today.
Comment by 
Raine on 09/28/2011 13:57:36
good morning!
Raine on 09/28/2011 13:57:36
good morning!
Comment by wickedpam on 09/28/2011 14:05:33
wickedpam on 09/28/2011 14:05:33
Hey Raine - so was it me or with Bieste and Becky steal every scene there were in last night?
Comment by Mondobubba on 09/28/2011 14:06:20
Mondobubba on 09/28/2011 14:06:20
When you elect people who think government is bad, you get crap governance. FEMA under George W, Bush? Remember that? St. Ronnie of Santa Barbara at least understood the role of government.
Comment by wickedpam on 09/28/2011 14:09:00
all I think anymore when someone says that all I think is "yeah, its so bad you want a cushy job in it"
wickedpam on 09/28/2011 14:09:00
Quote by Mondobubba:
When you elect people who think government is bad, you get crap governance. FEMA under George W, Bush? Remember that? St. Ronnie of Santa Barbara at least understood the role of government.
all I think anymore when someone says that all I think is "yeah, its so bad you want a cushy job in it"
Comment by Raine on 09/28/2011 14:11:55
I'm SO happy Bieste is back!
And yes, they did. Becky is a blast! I don;t know how I feel about this story line tho...
Raine on 09/28/2011 14:11:55
Quote by wickedpam:
Hey Raine - so was it me or with Bieste and Becky steal every scene there were in last night?
I'm SO happy Bieste is back!
And yes, they did. Becky is a blast! I don;t know how I feel about this story line tho...
Comment by Raine on 09/28/2011 14:13:03
I had mentioned to bob a few weeks ago that it is amazing that this current form of the GOP actually makes Raygun look sympathetic -- to LIBERALS
Raine on 09/28/2011 14:13:03
Quote by Mondobubba:
When you elect people who think government is bad, you get crap governance. FEMA under George W, Bush? Remember that? St. Ronnie of Santa Barbara at least understood the role of government.
Comment by wickedpam on 09/28/2011 14:47:19
the one about arts in schools? or Quinn's spray painted pink hair so-called skank rebellion?
wickedpam on 09/28/2011 14:47:19
Quote by Raine:Quote by wickedpam:
Hey Raine - so was it me or with Bieste and Becky steal every scene there were in last night?
I'm SO happy Bieste is back!
And yes, they did. Becky is a blast! I don;t know how I feel about this story line tho...
the one about arts in schools? or Quinn's spray painted pink hair so-called skank rebellion?
Comment by Raine on 09/28/2011 14:59:04
More about where this Shelby, Quinnn and baby thing.
It's a little too wierd for me.
Raine on 09/28/2011 14:59:04
Quote by wickedpam:Quote by Raine:Quote by wickedpam:
Hey Raine - so was it me or with Bieste and Becky steal every scene there were in last night?
I'm SO happy Bieste is back!
And yes, they did. Becky is a blast! I don;t know how I feel about this story line tho...
the one about arts in schools? or Quinn's spray painted pink hair so-called skank rebellion?
It's a little too wierd for me.
Comment by 
Will in Chicago on 09/28/2011 14:59:31
Sadly, today's Republicans make Reagan, George H.W. Bush, and Bob Dole seem like reasonable men, who were too reluctant to see changes in society. Mind you, the current crop of candidates would have been rejected early on in previous election cycles.
Will in Chicago on 09/28/2011 14:59:31
Quote by Raine:I had mentioned to bob a few weeks ago that it is amazing that this current form of the GOP actually makes Raygun look sympathetic -- to LIBERALSQuote by Mondobubba:
When you elect people who think government is bad, you get crap governance. FEMA under George W, Bush? Remember that? St. Ronnie of Santa Barbara at least understood the role of government.
Sadly, today's Republicans make Reagan, George H.W. Bush, and Bob Dole seem like reasonable men, who were too reluctant to see changes in society. Mind you, the current crop of candidates would have been rejected early on in previous election cycles.
Comment by wickedpam on 09/28/2011 15:03:54
its very forced
Like Puck though his character keeps changing.
I swear I almost spit out my tea when Becky said "that's hot" and Bieste said "lady bits"
wickedpam on 09/28/2011 15:03:54
Quote by Raine:More about where this Shelby, Quinnn and baby thing.Quote by wickedpam:Quote by Raine:Quote by wickedpam:
Hey Raine - so was it me or with Bieste and Becky steal every scene there were in last night?
I'm SO happy Bieste is back!
And yes, they did. Becky is a blast! I don;t know how I feel about this story line tho...
the one about arts in schools? or Quinn's spray painted pink hair so-called skank rebellion?
It's a little too wierd for me.
its very forced
Like Puck though his character keeps changing.
I swear I almost spit out my tea when Becky said "that's hot" and Bieste said "lady bits"
Comment by Raine on 09/28/2011 15:04:36
Yes, Will -- I have actually said aloud to Bob that sometimes I miss Bob Dole.
To be really honest, I agreed with him (his politics) on nothing -- but I always found him to be a genuine person. To put it more clearly -- I respected him.
Raine on 09/28/2011 15:04:36
Quote by Will in Chicago:
Sadly, today's Republicans make Reagan, George H.W. Bush, and Bob Dole seem like reasonable men, who were too reluctant to see changes in society. Mind you, the current crop of candidates would have been rejected early on in previous election cycles.
To be really honest, I agreed with him (his politics) on nothing -- but I always found him to be a genuine person. To put it more clearly -- I respected him.
Comment by Will in Chicago on 09/28/2011 15:07:06
Will in Chicago on 09/28/2011 15:07:06
I hope that everyone is doing well. I am at home today before going with my Mom to see some relatives for Rosh Hashanah. L'shanah tovah!! Tonight at sunset marks the beginning of the Jewish New Year 5772. It is also the start of the High Holy Days, a time of deep reflection and self examination for Jews. May this be a sweet year for you. May this be a year of peace for the world, when all people shall examine themselves and seek to love their neighbors as themselves and labor to help heal the ills of this world. Peace
Yes, there are many struggles. There is ignorance and hatred and evil to make even the strongest weep, yet there is also much good in ourselves and this world. Let us try to find the good in ourselves and others as we try to make this world a place that honors the best of our respective heritages and honors the potential of our posterity to build upon our achievements.
Yes, there are many struggles. There is ignorance and hatred and evil to make even the strongest weep, yet there is also much good in ourselves and this world. Let us try to find the good in ourselves and others as we try to make this world a place that honors the best of our respective heritages and honors the potential of our posterity to build upon our achievements.
Comment by wickedpam on 09/28/2011 15:07:12
here's the think I didn't like Dole's policy's or idea but at least I respected that man. There's something that the old guard needs to teach the new and the new just seems to want to ignore them
does that make sense?
wickedpam on 09/28/2011 15:07:12
Quote by Raine:Yes, Will -- I have actually said aloud to Bob that sometimes I miss Bob Dole.Quote by Will in Chicago:
Sadly, today's Republicans make Reagan, George H.W. Bush, and Bob Dole seem like reasonable men, who were too reluctant to see changes in society. Mind you, the current crop of candidates would have been rejected early on in previous election cycles.
To be really honest, I agreed with him (his politics) on nothing -- but I always found him to be a genuine person. To put it more clearly -- I respected him.
here's the think I didn't like Dole's policy's or idea but at least I respected that man. There's something that the old guard needs to teach the new and the new just seems to want to ignore them
does that make sense?
Comment by TriSec on 09/28/2011 15:08:31
TriSec on 09/28/2011 15:08:31
Non-sequitir on infrastructure....
It's all fine and good that the President makes an address at a bridge connecting two Republican districts that needs repair.
The reality of course, is that it's not in a major media market, and a bridge standing there getting old doesn't make for good TV.
I fear it will take something caving in on I-95 at rush hour in New York or DC before this finally gets any action...and even then, maybe not.
It's all fine and good that the President makes an address at a bridge connecting two Republican districts that needs repair.
The reality of course, is that it's not in a major media market, and a bridge standing there getting old doesn't make for good TV.
I fear it will take something caving in on I-95 at rush hour in New York or DC before this finally gets any action...and even then, maybe not.
Comment by Will in Chicago on 09/28/2011 15:09:25
I disagreed with Bob Dole, but I thought at the end of the day he was motivated by a love of country and saw his political opponents as motivated by that same love of country. I do not think that Perry or Romney or Bachman would proclaim that President Obama, Nancy Pelosi, and Michael Moore also love America as much as any Republican candidate for president.
Will in Chicago on 09/28/2011 15:09:25
Quote by Raine:Yes, Will -- I have actually said aloud to Bob that sometimes I miss Bob Dole.Quote by Will in Chicago:
Sadly, today's Republicans make Reagan, George H.W. Bush, and Bob Dole seem like reasonable men, who were too reluctant to see changes in society. Mind you, the current crop of candidates would have been rejected early on in previous election cycles.
To be really honest, I agreed with him (his politics) on nothing -- but I always found him to be a genuine person. To put it more clearly -- I respected him.
I disagreed with Bob Dole, but I thought at the end of the day he was motivated by a love of country and saw his political opponents as motivated by that same love of country. I do not think that Perry or Romney or Bachman would proclaim that President Obama, Nancy Pelosi, and Michael Moore also love America as much as any Republican candidate for president.
Comment by Raine on 09/28/2011 15:11:07
Thank you will.
L'shanah tovah! (I hope I did that right...
)
Raine on 09/28/2011 15:11:07
Quote by Will in Chicago:
I hope that everyone is doing well. I am at home today before going with my Mom to see some relatives for Rosh Hashanah. L'shanah tovah!! Tonight at sunset marks the beginning of the Jewish New Year 5772. It is also the start of the High Holy Days, a time of deep reflection and self examination for Jews. May this be a sweet year for you. May this be a year of peace for the world, when all people shall examine themselves and seek to love their neighbors as themselves and labor to help heal the ills of this world. Peace
Yes, there are many struggles. There is ignorance and hatred and evil to make even the strongest weep, yet there is also much good in ourselves and this world. Let us try to find the good in ourselves and others as we try to make this world a place that honors the best of our respective heritages and honors the potential of our posterity to build upon our achievements.
Thank you will.
L'shanah tovah! (I hope I did that right...
)
Comment by Raine on 09/28/2011 15:12:19
YEs. Totally.
There is something to be said about learning and taking advice from our elders. It seems as tho no one in this GOP is willing to do that.
Raine on 09/28/2011 15:12:19
Quote by wickedpam:Quote by Raine:Yes, Will -- I have actually said aloud to Bob that sometimes I miss Bob Dole.Quote by Will in Chicago:
Sadly, today's Republicans make Reagan, George H.W. Bush, and Bob Dole seem like reasonable men, who were too reluctant to see changes in society. Mind you, the current crop of candidates would have been rejected early on in previous election cycles.
To be really honest, I agreed with him (his politics) on nothing -- but I always found him to be a genuine person. To put it more clearly -- I respected him.
here's the think I didn't like Dole's policy's or idea but at least I respected that man. There's something that the old guard needs to teach the new and the new just seems to want to ignore them
does that make sense?
There is something to be said about learning and taking advice from our elders. It seems as tho no one in this GOP is willing to do that.
Comment by Raine on 09/28/2011 15:14:43
<---- THIS.
Bob Dole, from my recollection, would not have supported the type of rhetoric that we see today.
Same with Bush, the first.
Raine on 09/28/2011 15:14:43
Quote by Will in Chicago:
I disagreed with Bob Dole, but I thought at the end of the day he was motivated by a love of country and saw his political opponents as motivated by that same love of country. I do not think that Perry or Romney or Bachman would proclaim that President Obama, Nancy Pelosi, and Michael Moore also love America as much as any Republican candidate for president.
Bob Dole, from my recollection, would not have supported the type of rhetoric that we see today.
Same with Bush, the first.
Comment by TriSec on 09/28/2011 15:16:47
TriSec on 09/28/2011 15:16:47
Talking about the Republican "old guard"....I wonder how much war played into that?
With Papa Bush being the last WWII vet to hold the office, when that old guard was all young men, they knew what it meant to be truly under attack and to be asked to sacrifice "for the good of America". Maybe a little of that stayed with them all through their public service. Even their sainted Reagan wore a uniform in those days, although he never left Hollywood and made mostly propaganda and training films.
I know it's a caricature these days to demand military service of our presidential candidates; I never really cared for that manufactured pre-requisite, but maybe looking in the rear-view mirror, there's something to be said for that.
John McCain had some of that as recently as 2000. It's really been the last decade that lack of respect for public service has gone hand-in-hand with campaigning for office.
With Papa Bush being the last WWII vet to hold the office, when that old guard was all young men, they knew what it meant to be truly under attack and to be asked to sacrifice "for the good of America". Maybe a little of that stayed with them all through their public service. Even their sainted Reagan wore a uniform in those days, although he never left Hollywood and made mostly propaganda and training films.
I know it's a caricature these days to demand military service of our presidential candidates; I never really cared for that manufactured pre-requisite, but maybe looking in the rear-view mirror, there's something to be said for that.
John McCain had some of that as recently as 2000. It's really been the last decade that lack of respect for public service has gone hand-in-hand with campaigning for office.
Comment by Will in Chicago on 09/28/2011 15:19:13
Yes. you did! The next several days will be a time of deep self reflection and self examination for me, and trying to make amends. It is only with reflection and self examination that we can find our flaws, seek to amend them, and then try to make peace with others. Unfortunately, self examination and reflection does not seem to be very common among our political class.
Will in Chicago on 09/28/2011 15:19:13
Quote by Raine:Quote by Will in Chicago:
I hope that everyone is doing well. I am at home today before going with my Mom to see some relatives for Rosh Hashanah. L'shanah tovah!! Tonight at sunset marks the beginning of the Jewish New Year 5772. It is also the start of the High Holy Days, a time of deep reflection and self examination for Jews. May this be a sweet year for you. May this be a year of peace for the world, when all people shall examine themselves and seek to love their neighbors as themselves and labor to help heal the ills of this world. Peace
Yes, there are many struggles. There is ignorance and hatred and evil to make even the strongest weep, yet there is also much good in ourselves and this world. Let us try to find the good in ourselves and others as we try to make this world a place that honors the best of our respective heritages and honors the potential of our posterity to build upon our achievements.
Thank you will.
L'shanah tovah! (I hope I did that right...
Yes. you did! The next several days will be a time of deep self reflection and self examination for me, and trying to make amends. It is only with reflection and self examination that we can find our flaws, seek to amend them, and then try to make peace with others. Unfortunately, self examination and reflection does not seem to be very common among our political class.
Comment by Raine on 09/28/2011 15:32:58
I don't know if I agree about that. I see what you are saying. Please do not forget about President Carter.
It's not military service per say, but rather -- I think that one who wishes to become president understand Service , period. It could be community organizing, feeding the homeless, building homes, and yes -- with the military.
John McCain had a chance to stand up for what you are speaking of, Tri. He really blew it.
Raine on 09/28/2011 15:32:58
Quote by TriSec:
Talking about the Republican "old guard"....I wonder how much war played into that?
With Papa Bush being the last WWII vet to hold the office, when that old guard was all young men, they knew what it meant to be truly under attack and to be asked to sacrifice "for the good of America". Maybe a little of that stayed with them all through their public service. Even their sainted Reagan wore a uniform in those days, although he never left Hollywood and made mostly propaganda and training films.
I know it's a caricature these days to demand military service of our presidential candidates; I never really cared for that manufactured pre-requisite, but maybe looking in the rear-view mirror, there's something to be said for that.
John McCain had some of that as recently as 2000. It's really been the last decade that lack of respect for public service has gone hand-in-hand with campaigning for office.
It's not military service per say, but rather -- I think that one who wishes to become president understand Service , period. It could be community organizing, feeding the homeless, building homes, and yes -- with the military.
John McCain had a chance to stand up for what you are speaking of, Tri. He really blew it.
Comment by Mondobubba on 09/28/2011 15:55:42
it used to be public service was something you did for the good the country, but now Republicans seem to think it is a ticket to be punched onto the next thing on their career agenda.
Mondobubba on 09/28/2011 15:55:42
Quote by wickedpam:Quote by Mondobubba:
When you elect people who think government is bad, you get crap governance. FEMA under George W, Bush? Remember that? St. Ronnie of Santa Barbara at least understood the role of government.
all I think anymore when someone says that all I think is "yeah, its so bad you want a cushy job in it"
it used to be public service was something you did for the good the country, but now Republicans seem to think it is a ticket to be punched onto the next thing on their career agenda.
Comment by TriSec on 09/28/2011 16:03:27
*ting*
There it is. You all know what I do as a volunteer. Why do you think I keep going back every year?
The only reward I get is seeing those that I tried to teach grow up and do well.
TriSec on 09/28/2011 16:03:27
Quote by Mondobubba:
it used to be public service was something you did for the good the country, but now Republicans seem to think it is a ticket to be punched onto the next thing on their career agenda.
*ting*
There it is. You all know what I do as a volunteer. Why do you think I keep going back every year?
The only reward I get is seeing those that I tried to teach grow up and do well.
Comment by Will in Chicago on 09/28/2011 16:08:40
Will in Chicago on 09/28/2011 16:08:40
Raine, here is a little bit from a good article in the New York Times on some of the global protest movements. Maybe we can learn a few lessons from the protesters in India, Spain and Israel.
Personally, I think that we need massive social movements for change and voting for candidates who will support changes in our societies.
As Scorn for Vote Grows, Protests Surge Around Globe
By NICHOLAS KULISH
Published: September 27, 2011
MADRID — Hundreds of thousands of disillusioned Indians cheer a rural activist on a hunger strike. Israel reels before the largest street demonstrations in its history. Enraged young people in Spain and Greece take over public squares across their countries.
Their complaints range from corruption to lack of affordable housing and joblessness, common grievances the world over. But from South Asia to the heartland of Europe and now even to Wall Street, these protesters share something else: wariness, even contempt, toward traditional politicians and the democratic political process they preside over.
They are taking to the streets, in part, because they have little faith in the ballot box.
“Our parents are grateful because they’re voting,†said Marta Solanas, 27, referring to older Spaniards’ decades spent under the Franco dictatorship. “We’re the first generation to say that voting is worthless.â€
Personally, I think that we need massive social movements for change and voting for candidates who will support changes in our societies.
Comment by 
livingonli on 09/28/2011 16:18:34
livingonli on 09/28/2011 16:18:34
Good day everyone. Thanks to the push to extremism and take no prisoners that started with the Gingrich crowed and the disaster of the Bush years, the GOP has decided that their solution is to embrace the batshit crazy and go to that 20% of the population that thought Bush was a good president but as Bush failed they suddenly became "Libertarians" even though they support the Big Government social agenda of telling people what to do in the bedroom because of their ties to the religious right.
Comment by Raine on 09/28/2011 17:55:14
Raine on 09/28/2011 17:55:14
It looks like we are going to have a special Guest Blogger on Friday October 7.
Mala has volunteered for on of the days next week. Can we get a few for volunteers? We need someone for Saturday, Monday Wednesday and Thursday.
please?
Mala has volunteered for on of the days next week. Can we get a few for volunteers? We need someone for Saturday, Monday Wednesday and Thursday.
please?
Comment by wickedpam on 09/28/2011 18:16:59
I'll do Wednesday - it'll give me some time to write something up
wickedpam on 09/28/2011 18:16:59
Quote by Raine:
It looks like we are going to have a special Guest Blogger on Friday October 7.
Mala has volunteered for on of the days next week. Can we get a few for volunteers? We need someone for Saturday, Monday Wednesday and Thursday.
I'll do Wednesday - it'll give me some time to write something up
Comment by TriSec on 09/28/2011 18:21:25
TriSec on 09/28/2011 18:21:25
I'm just away Saturday.
Any or all of the remaining weekdays I can cover in a pinch, although the quality of my offerings is likely to decline as the week progresses.
Any or all of the remaining weekdays I can cover in a pinch, although the quality of my offerings is likely to decline as the week progresses.
Comment by Scoopster on 09/28/2011 18:21:55
Scoopster on 09/28/2011 18:21:55
Ooops...
Comment by Raine on 09/28/2011 18:32:44
I think was a very good article. I am still however concerned. As I said on Monday. all massive social movements need leadership in order to be successful. I have been having some very good discussions with people on FB about this.
And I am aware of Egypt. It is still struggling for lack of leadership. It's still fragile. And I believe Egypt is an extreme example -- altho wonderful -- of the social change people desire.
I do not want riots in America. I do not want bloodshed. In our Nation -- in recent history -- I have not seen any good result from rioting, political or social.
We are not Spain.
We are not Egypt.
We are not Greece.
France regularly has general strikes.
As I said earlier in the week there are comparisons to be made, but we need to be aware that what works in other Nations may not work here. America can't even get it together enough to demand any change. We just don't seem unified. I want unification, but -- I say this with adamance:
I refuse to unify with people who reject leadership and organization. I don;t feel comfortable being told that I am part of the problem if I question how results are going to happen. (and believe me -- articles like this make my point:
and I fully admit I am not helping. I have serious questions about the protests on Wall Street. It's not that I don't support them -- I WANT these actions to ultimately bring the change they seem to want. I just am not sure I agree with the way this is being done.
And to create a full blown strawman: Telling me that nothing else is working doesn't work for me. It just doesn't.
Occupy Wall street is being given serious suggestions and being asked serious questions about the end game. Just getting people out on the streets isn;t going to be enough -- becuase at a certain point, they are going to wonder: WTF am I doing here?
Raine on 09/28/2011 18:32:44
Quote by Will in Chicago:
Raine, here is a little bit from a good article in the New York Times on some of the global protest movements. Maybe we can learn a few lessons from the protesters in India, Spain and Israel.As Scorn for Vote Grows, Protests Surge Around Globe
By NICHOLAS KULISH
Published: September 27, 2011
MADRID — Hundreds of thousands of disillusioned Indians cheer a rural activist on a hunger strike. Israel reels before the largest street demonstrations in its history. Enraged young people in Spain and Greece take over public squares across their countries.
Their complaints range from corruption to lack of affordable housing and joblessness, common grievances the world over. But from South Asia to the heartland of Europe and now even to Wall Street, these protesters share something else: wariness, even contempt, toward traditional politicians and the democratic political process they preside over.
They are taking to the streets, in part, because they have little faith in the ballot box.
“Our parents are grateful because they’re voting,†said Marta Solanas, 27, referring to older Spaniards’ decades spent under the Franco dictatorship. “We’re the first generation to say that voting is worthless.â€
Personally, I think that we need massive social movements for change and voting for candidates who will support changes in our societies.
I think was a very good article. I am still however concerned. As I said on Monday. all massive social movements need leadership in order to be successful. I have been having some very good discussions with people on FB about this.
And I am aware of Egypt. It is still struggling for lack of leadership. It's still fragile. And I believe Egypt is an extreme example -- altho wonderful -- of the social change people desire.
I do not want riots in America. I do not want bloodshed. In our Nation -- in recent history -- I have not seen any good result from rioting, political or social.
We are not Spain.
We are not Egypt.
We are not Greece.
France regularly has general strikes.
As I said earlier in the week there are comparisons to be made, but we need to be aware that what works in other Nations may not work here. America can't even get it together enough to demand any change. We just don't seem unified. I want unification, but -- I say this with adamance:
I refuse to unify with people who reject leadership and organization. I don;t feel comfortable being told that I am part of the problem if I question how results are going to happen. (and believe me -- articles like this make my point:
Liberals have shown scorn, too, suggesting the occupation is not a “Main Street production†or that the protesters aren’t dressed properly and should wear suits cause the civil rights movement would not have won if they hadn’t worn decent clothing.
(photo: David Shankbone )
The latest show of contempt from a liberal comes from Mother Jones magazine. Lauren Ellis claims that the action, which “says it stands for the 99 percent of us,†lacks traction. She outlines why she thinks Zuccotti Park isn’t America’s Tahrir Square. She chastises them for failing to have one demand. She claims without a unified message police brutality has stolen the spotlight. She suggests the presence of members of Anonymous is holding the organizers back writing, “It’s hard to be taken seriously as accountability-seeking populists when you’re donning Guy Fawkes masks.†And, she concludes as a result of failing to get a cross-section of America to come out in the streets, this movement has been for “dreamers,†not “middle class American trying to make ends meet.â€
and I fully admit I am not helping. I have serious questions about the protests on Wall Street. It's not that I don't support them -- I WANT these actions to ultimately bring the change they seem to want. I just am not sure I agree with the way this is being done.
And to create a full blown strawman: Telling me that nothing else is working doesn't work for me. It just doesn't.
Occupy Wall street is being given serious suggestions and being asked serious questions about the end game. Just getting people out on the streets isn;t going to be enough -- becuase at a certain point, they are going to wonder: WTF am I doing here?
Comment by Raine on 09/28/2011 18:33:12
Raine on 09/28/2011 18:33:12
Quote by Scoopster:
Ooops...
Comment by Raine on 09/28/2011 18:36:23
Would you be willing to take Monday? I will take Saturday the 15th as a trade off.
Raine on 09/28/2011 18:36:23
Quote by TriSec:
I'm just away Saturday.
Any or all of the remaining weekdays I can cover in a pinch, although the quality of my offerings is likely to decline as the week progresses.
Comment by Raine on 09/28/2011 18:40:34
well... as long as it doesn't require me to give platelets.
Not that I don;t support it! (I do)
I just pass out - a LOT.
Raine on 09/28/2011 18:40:34
Quote by Raine:Would you be willing to take Monday? I will take Saturday the 15th as a trade off.Quote by TriSec:
I'm just away Saturday.
Any or all of the remaining weekdays I can cover in a pinch, although the quality of my offerings is likely to decline as the week progresses.
Not that I don;t support it! (I do)
I just pass out - a LOT.
Comment by Raine on 09/28/2011 18:47:41
Raine on 09/28/2011 18:47:41
Don Draper makes impassioned pitch for new Facebook layout.
This is your fault, Scoop.
This is your fault, Scoop.
Comment by wickedpam on 09/28/2011 18:52:06
who knew there was a scroll feature on a slide projector
wickedpam on 09/28/2011 18:52:06
who knew there was a scroll feature on a slide projector
Comment by Scoopster on 09/28/2011 18:53:58
Scoopster on 09/28/2011 18:53:58
What did i do?! 
Comment by TriSec on 09/28/2011 18:56:27
TriSec on 09/28/2011 18:56:27
Wait, I need Oct 1 (Saturday) covered.
I'll be here on the 15th like always.
But I can take Monday (10/3) if need be.
I'll be here on the 15th like always.
But I can take Monday (10/3) if need be.
Comment by Raine on 09/28/2011 19:13:42
Wel,l What I am asking for is your coverage on that Monday I'll take the 15th as a fair trade.
I am still scrambling to get your Saturday and my Thursday covered. Mala is taking Wednesday, and our guest blogger is taking the 7th (Friday)
Will? Mondo? Liv? Scoop? you guys know you can write a blog in advance and have it set to post at a specific time, right? You don;t HAVE to get up early.
Raine on 09/28/2011 19:13:42
Quote by TriSec:
Wait, I need Oct 1 (Saturday) covered.
I'll be here on the 15th like always.
But I can take Monday (10/3) if need be.
I am still scrambling to get your Saturday and my Thursday covered. Mala is taking Wednesday, and our guest blogger is taking the 7th (Friday)
Will? Mondo? Liv? Scoop? you guys know you can write a blog in advance and have it set to post at a specific time, right? You don;t HAVE to get up early.
Comment by Raine on 09/28/2011 19:14:21
Raine on 09/28/2011 19:14:21
Quote by Scoopster:
What did i do?!
Comment by Raine on 09/28/2011 19:14:38
Raine on 09/28/2011 19:14:38
Quote by wickedpam:
Comment by Scoopster on 09/28/2011 19:47:46
Scoopster on 09/28/2011 19:47:46
Comment by livingonli on 09/28/2011 20:14:52
livingonli on 09/28/2011 20:14:52
Just got back from the store. Maybe I can do one of my media ramblings, but I just have to figure out what day to do it. I'm up late anyway so I can do one of my late-night ponderings.
Comment by Raine on 09/28/2011 20:58:22
This Saturday is available as is Next thursday. I always enjoy your take on the media.
I wish you would talk about it a little more.
We have a schedule here, but are always more than happy to have posts in between.
Mala took Wednesday, and it seems as tho Tri is taking Monday. So what say you, Liv? I know you have something good to say, and it can be anything that you want to talk about.
Raine on 09/28/2011 20:58:22
Quote by livingonli:
Just got back from the store. Maybe I can do one of my media ramblings, but I just have to figure out what day to do it. I'm up late anyway so I can do one of my late-night ponderings.
I wish you would talk about it a little more.
We have a schedule here, but are always more than happy to have posts in between. Mala took Wednesday, and it seems as tho Tri is taking Monday. So what say you, Liv? I know you have something good to say, and it can be anything that you want to talk about.
Comment by Raine on 09/28/2011 21:01:32
YEah. I heard Randi talking about this.
If anyone needs ANY MORE PROOF about her -- this is it.
She was never going to run. She likes that SarahPAC... She did indeed learn a thing or 2 from Christine "I'm not a witch" O'Donnell.
And as our friend Mondo says: She's a grifter. She made it clear that she stands for nothing beyond herself.
Raine on 09/28/2011 21:01:32
Quote by Scoopster:
Oh noes! Lord knows she wouldn't want to be tied down by.. A JOB!?!
YEah. I heard Randi talking about this.
If anyone needs ANY MORE PROOF about her -- this is it.
She was never going to run. She likes that SarahPAC... She did indeed learn a thing or 2 from Christine "I'm not a witch" O'Donnell.
And as our friend Mondo says: She's a grifter. She made it clear that she stands for nothing beyond herself.
Comment by Raine on 09/28/2011 21:03:22
Raine on 09/28/2011 21:03:22
Sarah Palin makes Donald Rumsfeld sound like Shakespeare ....