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The Gulf Between Perception and Reality
Author: BobR    Date: 10/12/2011 12:59:45

Yesterday illustrated the large disconnect between what is important to the majority of Americans, and what Republicans think they must do and say to get elected (or re-elected). The Republican debates focused on cutting taxes with no real definitive solutions to our economic problem that could be backed up with studies from experts. The Senate Republicans also voted down the President's Jobs Bill.

Meanwhile, what do Americans think is important? For the vast majority of Americans, it is the economy. During the 2010 elections, it was Jobs specifically, which is a component - or possibly a symptom - of the economy. Unemployment continues to be the major concern, and it seems common knowledge that improving the jobs situation will improve the economy. There is a certain chicken/egg disagreement though. Will jobs improve when the economy improves, or will increasing jobs improve the economy? Democrats believe the latter; Republicans believe the former.

What's sad and a little scary, is that - despite the economic crash occurring under Bush's watch, and despite improvements made via the stimulus - Americans trust the GOP over Democrats to fix the jobs problem, even though they don't really know what the GOP stands for. Listening to the debates last night, one might wonder if the candidates really have a clue how the economy works. One might wonder if Senate Republicans have a clue. The economy prospers when money is changing hands in the form of transactions for goods and services. Demand for goods and services creates jobs to fulfill that demand. However, it takes money to purchase those goods, and companies and the rich (the 1% that OWS refers to) are hoarding it.

The president's jobs bill was supposed to rectify that by getting Americans back to work. Working Americans spend their paychecks, so that gooses the economy and gets people working again to supply the demand created by those workers. One of the aspects of the jobs bill was to create an "infrastructure bank", ie: funds dedicated for infrastructure projects. That part of the bill appears to be the poison pill for Republicans and some Democrats.

Another part of the bill involves "re-patriating" funds. This is NewSpeak for coaxing companies to bring back the funds they've squirreled away in offshore accounts. It involves a carrot/stick approach for giving them a "tax holiday" (reduced rate) for bringing the funds back, combined with incentives to create jobs. The Democratic vision has a little more "stick", penalizing companies that do no bring jobs back from overseas and/or create more jobs overseas and/or reduce jobs here in the U.S.

The Republicans (and some Democrats) want to split up the two provisions in the bill (the tax holiday and the infrastructure bank). That's because the Republicans like the tax holiday and hate the infratructure bank; for the Democrats, it's the opposite. This is why the President put both in the same bill - so that both provisions would have a better chance of passing together rather than separately. In the end - none of them passed the threatened filibuster, thanks to Democrats Nelson (D-WV) and Testor (D-MT).

Although Sen Lieberman (I-CT) voted for cloture to debate the bill, he was against the substance of it:
“The bottom line here is that I don’t believe the potential in this act for creating jobs justifies adding another $500 billion to our almost $15 trillion national debt,” Lieberman said.

“In fact, I think the most important thing we can do to improve our economy, reduce unemployment [and] create jobs is to bring our national debt under control.”

That right there crystalizes the problem - how does reducing the national debt create jobs? Is there any economist that believes that the jobs situation will improve by reducing the debt? And even if it does - wouldn't raising tax revenues to cover the $500B AND creating jobs improving the infrastructure be the best of both worlds?

The Republicans have spent very little time working on the jobs problem, focusing instead on conservative social issues that no one except the basest of their base cares about (abortion, redefining rape, etc.). Why Americans think that they are better for fixing the economic situation is beyond me. Most Americans support raising taxes to fix the economy and the Republicans are dead-set against it. The President has led on this, and his proposal has lifted his poll numbers, yet Americans think the Republicans will find the solution. Most Americans want compromise, yet the Republicans voted en-bloc against event debating this jobs package, and declared that since 2 out of more than 40 Dems voted against it, this was a "bi-partisan vote of no confidence" in the bill. That's compromise?

So while the Republican presidential hopefuls debate the "9-9-9" plan (as if simpler is somehow better, and without any studies on the effects on people's overall taxes through various income strata and the revenues raised for the government), and while they each try to out do each other with their regressive social stances, the economy continues to tread water, and the Republicans already in office dilly-dally, hoping to keep it from reaching shore just long enough to win elections in 2012.

What will it take for Americans to fully understand this? The polls will help us understand the zeitgeist; what we do with that information to win over the hearts and minds of the electorate is up to us.
 

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Comment by wickedpam on 10/12/2011 13:26:24
Morning

Comment by Raine on 10/12/2011 13:32:11
good morning.

Comment by TriSec on 10/12/2011 13:38:15
< lumbers into blog >




Comment by Raine on 10/12/2011 13:39:10
Comment by TriSec on 10/12/2011 13:46:55
Child sacrifice on the rise in Uganda.

I really wish I was making that up. Here we are in the 21st century....or is it the 12th?

Ya know, it's starting to feel like the 'end of days' again. I *almost* went through with getting an FID card and purchasing a firearm at the end of the Bush Presidency. I'm starting to lean that way again.




Comment by Raine on 10/12/2011 13:57:02
Someone somewhere said that the Cain 9-9-9 plan puts a 9% sales tax ON TOP of state sales taxes.

That's pretty shitty --

Comment by Raine on 10/12/2011 13:59:07
Quote by TriSec:
Child sacrifice on the rise in Uganda.

I really wish I was making that up. Here we are in the 21st century....or is it the 12th?

Ya know, it's starting to feel like the 'end of days' again. I *almost* went through with getting an FID card and purchasing a firearm at the end of the Bush Presidency. I'm starting to lean that way again.


Horrific.

this is why I truly believe it is critical that education become the MOST important thing for every country.


Comment by TriSec on 10/12/2011 14:04:19
Quote by Raine:
Someone somewhere said that the Cain 9-9-9 plan puts a 9% sales tax ON TOP of state sales taxes.

That's pretty shitty --


Look North....they have the GST on top of the Provincial taxes. I think the going rate up there is around 18% on sales. But then, that helps to fund Universal Health Care, so you get what you pay for.




Comment by wickedpam on 10/12/2011 14:06:36
I heard some mention something nightmare inducing last night - Romney/Cain

Comment by Scoopster on 10/12/2011 14:14:31
Mornin' all.. Am I late?

Quote by TriSec:
Quote by Raine:
Someone somewhere said that the Cain 9-9-9 plan puts a 9% sales tax ON TOP of state sales taxes.

That's pretty shitty --

Look North....they have the GST on top of the Provincial taxes. I think the going rate up there is around 18% on sales. But then, that helps to fund Universal Health Care, so you get what you pay for.

I thought Canada had a VAT.. ?

Comment by Raine on 10/12/2011 14:30:21
Quote by TriSec:
Look North....they have the GST on top of the Provincial taxes. I think the going rate up there is around 18% on sales. But then, that helps to fund Universal Health Care, so you get what you pay for.
I bolded that - because if I KNEW 18% would go towards single payor, I would be quite fine with it.

Cain doesn't explain how or what all the money would go towards.


Comment by Raine on 10/12/2011 14:31:00
Quote by wickedpam:
I heard some mention something nightmare inducing last night - Romney/Cain
I think it will be Romney/Christie.




Comment by wickedpam on 10/12/2011 14:32:13
Quote by Raine:
Quote by wickedpam:
I heard some mention something nightmare inducing last night - Romney/Cain
I think it will be Romney/Christie.





sounds more plausible - I don't know which one would be harder to beat

Comment by Raine on 10/12/2011 14:33:34
Lost family calls 911 --

Take a look at where they were lost!

Comment by Raine on 10/12/2011 14:38:09
and in more strange news....

Mohamed Bishr, Saddam Hussein Look-alike, Says Iraqi Gang Tried To Kidnap Him For Porn Films but this part made my jaw drop:
While plotting ways to destabilize Hussein before the 2003 invasion of Iraq, the CIA considered concocting a hoax video featuring a Hussein look-alike having sex with a teenage boy.

“It would look like it was taken by a hidden camera,” a former official told The Washington Post in 2010. “Very grainy, like it was a secret videotaping of a sex session.”



Comment by wickedpam on 10/12/2011 14:38:32
Quote by Raine:
Lost family calls 911 --

Take a look at where they were lost!



Hey, its all fun and games until someone goes all Children of the Corn on your butt

Comment by Raine on 10/12/2011 14:43:21
Hal makes a REALLY good point, if the GOP is going to call it "OUR OIL" then Nationalize the oil.

Comment by Raine on 10/12/2011 14:53:41
oopsie! Tennessee Guns in Bars “has been arrested on charges of drunken driving and possession of a gun while under the influence.”

Comment by Raine on 10/12/2011 14:57:15
CAller blaming Harry Reid for lack of leadership has a point, however, I took a lot from this article from TPM this morning:
A full 51 of them voted as a bloc Tuesday, not to pass President Obama's jobs plan or even to break a GOP filibuster of the bill, but simply for the proposition that the Senate should publicly debate the most pressing issue in the country.

That wasn't enough to prevail. Under the Senate's obscure rules, simply debating a piece of legislation often requires 60 votes. And two Dems -- Sens. Ben Nelson (D-NE) and John Tester (D-MT) -- voted with all 46 present Republicans to block the debate from happening altogether. (Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-NV) also switched his vote to "no" at the last moment, but only as a procedural trick that allows him to bring the jobs bill up for another vote in the future.) But it was enough for the Dems to claim a partisan GOP minority is blocking meaningful action on the economy.
It's not over.



Comment by wickedpam on 10/12/2011 15:08:25
Quote by Raine:
CAller blaming Harry Reid for lack of leadership has a point, however, I took a lot from this article from TPM this morning:
A full 51 of them voted as a bloc Tuesday, not to pass President Obama's jobs plan or even to break a GOP filibuster of the bill, but simply for the proposition that the Senate should publicly debate the most pressing issue in the country.

That wasn't enough to prevail. Under the Senate's obscure rules, simply debating a piece of legislation often requires 60 votes. And two Dems -- Sens. Ben Nelson (D-NE) and John Tester (D-MT) -- voted with all 46 present Republicans to block the debate from happening altogether. (Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-NV) also switched his vote to "no" at the last moment, but only as a procedural trick that allows him to bring the jobs bill up for another vote in the future.) But it was enough for the Dems to claim a partisan GOP minority is blocking meaningful action on the economy.
It's not over.




Hasn't Thom said that the more they vote in block vote of no against jobs the easier it will be for the Pres to run against them?

Comment by Raine on 10/12/2011 15:10:27
I heard Herman Cain's foreign policy positions came from a guy who traveled to the Cayman islands once. His Stance on Nasa was crafted from a kid who read about bottle rockets in mad magazine.

Think that isn't possible? Check out where he got his 9-9-9 policy.

Comment by Raine on 10/12/2011 15:11:30
Quote by wickedpam:
Quote by Raine:
CAller blaming Harry Reid for lack of leadership has a point, however, I took a lot from this article from TPM this morning:
A full 51 of them voted as a bloc Tuesday, not to pass President Obama's jobs plan or even to break a GOP filibuster of the bill, but simply for the proposition that the Senate should publicly debate the most pressing issue in the country.

That wasn't enough to prevail. Under the Senate's obscure rules, simply debating a piece of legislation often requires 60 votes. And two Dems -- Sens. Ben Nelson (D-NE) and John Tester (D-MT) -- voted with all 46 present Republicans to block the debate from happening altogether. (Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-NV) also switched his vote to "no" at the last moment, but only as a procedural trick that allows him to bring the jobs bill up for another vote in the future.) But it was enough for the Dems to claim a partisan GOP minority is blocking meaningful action on the economy.
It's not over.


Hasn't Thom said that the more they vote in block vote of no against jobs the easier it will be for the Pres to run against them?
The President has said it himself. HE said he can't run against a do-nothing congress if they actually do SOMETHING.



Comment by velveeta jones on 10/12/2011 15:13:12
Morning all.
Leave it to Michelle B. to put Herman Cain's "Pizza deal" tax plan into Satanic numberology!


Comment by Will in Chicago on 10/12/2011 15:14:59
Good morning, bloggers!! I just got back from the vet a little while ago. My dog Holly went peacefully, a few weeks shy of her seventeenth birthday.

I will be in and out today.

As for the GOP, why do I think that Bob Dole would have made this line up look like the Three Stooges? Or is that remark unfair -- to the Three Stooges?

Comment by Raine on 10/12/2011 15:19:07
Quote by Will in Chicago:
Good morning, bloggers!! I just got back from the vet a little while ago. My dog Holly went peacefully, a few weeks shy of her seventeenth birthday.

I will be in and out today.

As for the GOP, why do I think that Bob Dole would have made this line up look like the Three Stooges? Or is that remark unfair -- to the Three Stooges?





Comment by velveeta jones on 10/12/2011 15:19:55
Quote by Will in Chicago:
Good morning, bloggers!! I just got back from the vet a little while ago. My dog Holly went peacefully, a few weeks shy of her seventeenth birthday.

I will be in and out today.

As for the GOP, why do I think that Bob Dole would have made this line up look like the Three Stooges? Or is that remark unfair -- to the Three Stooges?

OH NOOO Will. So sorry to hear this news!! But thankful that Holly got to live a long life with a wonderful family.

Comment by Raine on 10/12/2011 15:21:28
Comment by wickedpam on 10/12/2011 15:21:43
Quote by Will in Chicago:
Good morning, bloggers!! I just got back from the vet a little while ago. My dog Holly went peacefully, a few weeks shy of her seventeenth birthday.

I will be in and out today.

As for the GOP, why do I think that Bob Dole would have made this line up look like the Three Stooges? Or is that remark unfair -- to the Three Stooges?





Comment by Raine on 10/12/2011 15:23:16
I am putting a moratorium on saying goodbye to furbabies for the rest of the week.

There have been too many goodbyes since Friday. I can count 5 of them in my circle of friendship.

Comment by velveeta jones on 10/12/2011 15:25:07
Completely OT:

I have to buy new winter boots. Went without last season and it was bad! Any recommendations? I like the LL Bean classic, though the more expensive ones with Gore-Tex sound like they would be warmer, dryer. I'm just not willing to spend $140 on something unless it'll last for a REALLY long time. Like 10 years or more.

Comment by Will in Chicago on 10/12/2011 15:27:14
Thanks, everyone! I will be in and out. I am throwing myself into house work for a while to help keep me busy. I will check in later.

For now, here is a thought -- why can't we humans treat each other with the loyalty and affection that most pets show? We have people in our world who make a living by peddling hatred of others. I sometimes wonder if humanity is a rational species.

Comment by BobR on 10/12/2011 15:31:14
Le Blog is up... Sorry for the long delay.

Comment by BobR on 10/12/2011 15:36:12
Quote by Will in Chicago:
Thanks, everyone! I will be in and out. I am throwing myself into house work for a while to help keep me busy. I will check in later.

For now, here is a thought -- why can't we humans treat each other with the loyalty and affection that most pets show? We have people in our world who make a living by peddling hatred of others. I sometimes wonder if humanity is a rational species.

Rational yes, but still occasionally a slave to our lizard brains. So sorry for your loss - Raine and I fully understand; things are still a little raw here...

Comment by Raine on 10/12/2011 15:37:03
Quote by velveeta jones:
Completely OT:

I have to buy new winter boots. Went without last season and it was bad! Any recommendations? I like the LL Bean classic, though the more expensive ones with Gore-Tex sound like they would be warmer, dryer. I'm just not willing to spend $140 on something unless it'll last for a REALLY long time. Like 10 years or more.
I know Tri will spank me for this (and I know they are now being made in China, as Tri mentioned)

I bought a pair of Sorel boots about 20 years ago, At the time I paid like 70 dollars in Canada. They are still rocking. I think I may finally have to have the liners replaced, but they are the best winter boots I have had in my life.


Comment by velveeta jones on 10/12/2011 15:42:17
Quote by Raine:
Quote by velveeta jones:
Completely OT:

I have to buy new winter boots. Went without last season and it was bad! Any recommendations? I like the LL Bean classic, though the more expensive ones with Gore-Tex sound like they would be warmer, dryer. I'm just not willing to spend $140 on something unless it'll last for a REALLY long time. Like 10 years or more.
I know Tri will spank me for this (and I know they are now being made in China, as Tri mentioned)

I bought a pair of Sorel boots about 20 years ago, At the time I paid like 70 dollars in Canada. They are still rocking. I think I may finally have to have the liners replaced, but they are the best winter boots I have had in my life.

Sorel is the other boot I'm looking at sold at REI. Hmmm, LL Bean claims that their classic is still made in Maine! Did China steal Maine from us? We'd be losing a lot of our plaid-shirt wearing friends.

Comment by Raine on 10/12/2011 15:51:57
This is a really good analysis.

I am totally amazed when people like Lieberman say such things. MANY companies are actually sitting on money that could go towards employment. The national Debt is NOT stopping people from hiring.

I'm really disgusted with the obstruction going on in Congress. (I know big surprise)

But think about this for a minute:

During the Previous administration, the GOP did nothing to create jobs. Now they are doing even more under the Obama administration to not create jobs -- what are the odds that a GOP president is going to change ANYTHING?

Comment by velveeta jones on 10/12/2011 15:54:11
Great blog!
If Cain makes headway with his 9-9-9 plan, I might just run for President on a 8.14- 8.14- 8.14 plan.

Comment by Raine on 10/12/2011 15:55:26
Quote by velveeta jones:
Sorel is the other boot I'm looking at sold at REI. Hmmm, LL Bean claims that their classic is still made in Maine! Did China steal Maine from us? We'd be losing a lot of our plaid-shirt wearing friends.
I have never owned LL bean. I have NEVER heard a bad thing about them.Yes, according to Tri, LL is still made in the USA.

I went with my Sorels because they went almost up to my knee. We had some large snowfall amounts in upstate NY.

Comment by TriSec on 10/12/2011 15:57:49
Quote by velveeta jones:
Completely OT:

I have to buy new winter boots. Went without last season and it was bad! Any recommendations? I like the LL Bean classic, though the more expensive ones with Gore-Tex sound like they would be warmer, dryer. I'm just not willing to spend $140 on something unless it'll last for a REALLY long time. Like 10 years or more.


Hey Vel.

Would that be the 8-inch Gore Tex/Thinsulate Maine Hunting shoe?

I've had mine for close to 20 years now.....still going strong. And the original laces, too.

Otherwise, look at the Wildcat Boot. It's not as "outdoorsy" as the Bean Boot, but it's just as warm and dry.

If you are going to do from Bean's....do it soon. We'll start selling out of things in the next week or two.





Comment by TriSec on 10/12/2011 15:59:16
Oh yes, the Maine Hunting Shoe is still handmade in Maine.

Regrettably, the slippers are no longer so.


Comment by TriSec on 10/12/2011 16:01:44
Yankees fans.....shut the hell up. Your team isn't playing, either.

<< Red Sox Tailspin>>

I think it's going to be quite some time before we see the Sox in the playoffs again.


Comment by wickedpam on 10/12/2011 16:06:41
Karl Frisch filling in for Thom

Comment by Raine on 10/12/2011 16:10:23
When Rick Perry or any other GOP candidate says that the President is a job killer, show them this:

http://www.politicsplus.org/blog/wp-content/uploads/2011/08/BikiniGraph.jpg
and that isn't even the most recent.

Comment by Raine on 10/12/2011 16:10:44
Quote by wickedpam:
Karl Frisch filling in for Thom
NICE!


Comment by livingonli on 10/12/2011 16:21:07
Good day folks. Will, sorry about your dog. My roommate's dog who is a chihuahua mix hasn't warmed up to anyone besides the roommate. Apparently they are very territorial which maybe why she doesn't hang with anyone else besides the one while on the other hand, the cat has become very fond of me since I moved in and this morning she came into my room again for sleep and company.

Comment by Raine on 10/12/2011 16:25:57
http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6220/6220560854_f41ce6dca0_z.jpg


http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6221/6220560872_3450d30856_z.jpg

Pass this on widely.



Comment by wickedpam on 10/12/2011 16:34:47
link to that please

Comment by Raine on 10/12/2011 16:38:00
Quote by wickedpam:
link to that please
you can open the image in it's own tab, but it is also over here: http://www.democraticleader.gov/

Comment by Raine on 10/12/2011 16:39:11
and... and more specifically, HERE.

Comment by wickedpam on 10/12/2011 16:42:56
awesome Thanks!