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Lobbying for the Job
Author: BobR
Date: 11/16/2011 14:04:15
Herman Cain as a presidential candidate is a bit of a puzzle. He seems to be woefully unprepared, belligerent with the press, and uninterested in anything that isn't related to taxes. For someone who used to make a living as a lobbyist, he seems to be lacking in the skills to persuade.
He's certainly no dummy. He has a Bachelors degree in math, and a Masters degree in Computer Science. He was a ballistics analyst in the Navy. Obviously, good judgement does not necessarily go hand-in-hand with intelligence, considering his clumsy attempts at seducing women (ie: sexual harrassment). Yet in debates, and particularly in the notorious recent interview, he comes off as a buffoon.
In that interview, he seemed to be searching for the correct answer. When he started to say something, then said "Nope, that's a different one", it seemed like the prepaired answer was for a different question. If you wanted to be extra tin-foily, one might wonder if he was wearing a secret wire, and someone was feeding him the answers.
Seriously, though, even without the wire, one has to wonder why he couldn't just say what he thought, and why he felt the need to supply a pre-determined answer. It seems obvious: he's a lobbyist, and lobbyists deliver the message that they're paid to deliver, not the message that comes from their hearts. So for whom or what is he a lobbyist? That's one answer he's supplied us with already: "We're brothers from another mother" - the Koch brothers.
Cain has been at the top of enough companies and organizations to have the hubris to think he can do the job of president. Some of the skill sets do translate, but there are a ton of others (revolving around trust and finesse) that don't. CEOs are way more dictatorial than a president can (and should) be.
Still - he thinks he can carry the Koch brothers' water all the way to the White House. He is trying to do that by lobbying for them on the campaign trail, while trying to not actually divulge that that is what he is doing. Think I'm wrong? Go to his campaign website and see how many of his positions differ from what the Koch brothers would want:
With the exception of the military, all of these positions involve "getting government out of the way", which translated means either paying private companies (rather than federal workers) to do the same job, or force consumers to pay for them out of their own pockets. They mean reduced government oversight and more opportunities for companies to suck the consumers dry, and shit all over everything else. It's a CEO's dream.
This is the vision of the Koch brothers, and this is the plan for which Herman Cain is lobbying. He may not be getting paid by them directly, but if he survives much longer, their PAC money WILL find its way into ads for him. The scary part is that he's survived this long with several allegations of sexual harrassment, investigations into campaign finance violations, and mental "spinning pizza wheels" on camera as he tries to download a pre-programmed talking point to his mouth. All this, and he's not out of consideration yet.
Cain, though, is a lobbyist through and through. He is not going to let a few setbacks get in the way of his goal of selling America on his (ie: the Koch brothers) vision for America. Shame and humility are not part of the equation. You can't sell a shabby bill of goods that you don't even care about by having shame.
Which is the crux of the matter. Does Cain really care about these things? Are they really his positions? You'd think he'd be able to talk about them easily if they were, not stumble and come across as if he's trying to remember what the Sales Manager trained him to say.
Perhaps that's why he left the NRA - as a lobbyist, he's not very good at it.
He's certainly no dummy. He has a Bachelors degree in math, and a Masters degree in Computer Science. He was a ballistics analyst in the Navy. Obviously, good judgement does not necessarily go hand-in-hand with intelligence, considering his clumsy attempts at seducing women (ie: sexual harrassment). Yet in debates, and particularly in the notorious recent interview, he comes off as a buffoon.
In that interview, he seemed to be searching for the correct answer. When he started to say something, then said "Nope, that's a different one", it seemed like the prepaired answer was for a different question. If you wanted to be extra tin-foily, one might wonder if he was wearing a secret wire, and someone was feeding him the answers.
Seriously, though, even without the wire, one has to wonder why he couldn't just say what he thought, and why he felt the need to supply a pre-determined answer. It seems obvious: he's a lobbyist, and lobbyists deliver the message that they're paid to deliver, not the message that comes from their hearts. So for whom or what is he a lobbyist? That's one answer he's supplied us with already: "We're brothers from another mother" - the Koch brothers.
Cain has been at the top of enough companies and organizations to have the hubris to think he can do the job of president. Some of the skill sets do translate, but there are a ton of others (revolving around trust and finesse) that don't. CEOs are way more dictatorial than a president can (and should) be.
Still - he thinks he can carry the Koch brothers' water all the way to the White House. He is trying to do that by lobbying for them on the campaign trail, while trying to not actually divulge that that is what he is doing. Think I'm wrong? Go to his campaign website and see how many of his positions differ from what the Koch brothers would want:
- Education: privatize, with vouchers
- Social Security: privatize
- Taxes: reduce capital gains tax
- Energy: "free market" (ie: oil)
- Military: increased spending on technology
With the exception of the military, all of these positions involve "getting government out of the way", which translated means either paying private companies (rather than federal workers) to do the same job, or force consumers to pay for them out of their own pockets. They mean reduced government oversight and more opportunities for companies to suck the consumers dry, and shit all over everything else. It's a CEO's dream.
This is the vision of the Koch brothers, and this is the plan for which Herman Cain is lobbying. He may not be getting paid by them directly, but if he survives much longer, their PAC money WILL find its way into ads for him. The scary part is that he's survived this long with several allegations of sexual harrassment, investigations into campaign finance violations, and mental "spinning pizza wheels" on camera as he tries to download a pre-programmed talking point to his mouth. All this, and he's not out of consideration yet.
Cain, though, is a lobbyist through and through. He is not going to let a few setbacks get in the way of his goal of selling America on his (ie: the Koch brothers) vision for America. Shame and humility are not part of the equation. You can't sell a shabby bill of goods that you don't even care about by having shame.
Which is the crux of the matter. Does Cain really care about these things? Are they really his positions? You'd think he'd be able to talk about them easily if they were, not stumble and come across as if he's trying to remember what the Sales Manager trained him to say.
Perhaps that's why he left the NRA - as a lobbyist, he's not very good at it.
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Comment by 
Mondobubba on 11/16/2011 14:11:24
Mondobubba on 11/16/2011 14:11:24
Morning all.
Comment by 
wickedpam on 11/16/2011 14:11:54
wickedpam on 11/16/2011 14:11:54
Morning 
Comment by wickedpam on 11/16/2011 14:14:25
wickedpam on 11/16/2011 14:14:25
I finally figured out who Cain reminds me off -
Mayor for Life Marion Barry.
Mayor for Life Marion Barry.
Comment by 
Raine on 11/16/2011 14:16:33
that's just racist! (kidding... )
I think you are spot on!
Good morning!
Raine on 11/16/2011 14:16:33
Quote by wickedpam:
I finally figured out who Cain reminds me off -
Mayor for Life Marion Barry.
that's just racist! (kidding... )
I think you are spot on!
Good morning!
Comment by Raine on 11/16/2011 14:19:51
Raine on 11/16/2011 14:19:51
I've been thinking this about Cain for a while. It's a scary idea, but it makes a lot of sense.
Comment by 
Scoopster on 11/16/2011 14:39:11
Scoopster on 11/16/2011 14:39:11
Mornin' all.. 
Comment by wickedpam on 11/16/2011 14:45:16
wickedpam on 11/16/2011 14:45:16
umm, again blame the banks, you have to chisel money out of their vaults these days
Comment by Mondobubba on 11/16/2011 14:57:02
Yeah kinda, Berry is/was much more entertaining though.
Mondobubba on 11/16/2011 14:57:02
Quote by wickedpam:
I finally figured out who Cain reminds me off -
Mayor for Life Marion Barry.
Yeah kinda, Berry is/was much more entertaining though.
Comment by wickedpam on 11/16/2011 14:57:52
only after "the bitch set him up"
wickedpam on 11/16/2011 14:57:52
Quote by Mondobubba:Quote by wickedpam:
I finally figured out who Cain reminds me off -
Mayor for Life Marion Barry.
Yeah kinda, Berry is/was much more entertaining though.
only after "the bitch set him up"
Comment by Raine on 11/16/2011 15:08:47
Raine on 11/16/2011 15:08:47
Quote by wickedpam:Quote by Mondobubba:Quote by wickedpam:
I finally figured out who Cain reminds me off -
Mayor for Life Marion Barry.
Yeah kinda, Berry is/was much more entertaining though.
only after "the bitch set him up"
Comment by Raine on 11/16/2011 15:33:58
Raine on 11/16/2011 15:33:58
UGH.
I see we are in "people have damn lost their minds" mode.
I see we are in "people have damn lost their minds" mode.
Comment by wickedpam on 11/16/2011 15:35:21
I thought we were in that everyday? what I miss?
wickedpam on 11/16/2011 15:35:21
Quote by Raine:
UGH.
I see we are in "people have damn lost their minds" mode.
I thought we were in that everyday? what I miss?
Comment by Mondobubba on 11/16/2011 15:39:46
Oh no, even before that. "I'm night owl..." after being caught with stripper at This Is It on 14th st.
Mondobubba on 11/16/2011 15:39:46
Quote by wickedpam:Quote by Mondobubba:Quote by wickedpam:
I finally figured out who Cain reminds me off -
Mayor for Life Marion Barry.
Yeah kinda, Berry is/was much more entertaining though.
only after "the bitch set him up"
Oh no, even before that. "I'm night owl..." after being caught with stripper at This Is It on 14th st.
Comment by Raine on 11/16/2011 15:40:22
I get tired of the Obama is always wrong crowd.
Raine on 11/16/2011 15:40:22
Quote by wickedpam:Quote by Raine:
UGH.
I see we are in "people have damn lost their minds" mode.
I thought we were in that everyday? what I miss?
Comment by Raine on 11/16/2011 15:42:44
Raine on 11/16/2011 15:42:44
HOMELAND SECURITY WAS NOT THERE, Caller!
Comment by wickedpam on 11/16/2011 15:42:52
oh I forgot about that!
Mayor of Life Marion "The Night Owl" Barry
wickedpam on 11/16/2011 15:42:52
Quote by Mondobubba:Quote by wickedpam:Quote by Mondobubba:Quote by wickedpam:
I finally figured out who Cain reminds me off -
Mayor for Life Marion Barry.
Yeah kinda, Berry is/was much more entertaining though.
only after "the bitch set him up"
Oh no, even before that. "I'm night owl..." after being caught with stripper at This Is It on 14th st.
oh I forgot about that!
Mayor of Life Marion "The Night Owl" Barry
Comment by wickedpam on 11/16/2011 15:43:31
agreed. THe man is damned if he does and damned if he doesn't
wickedpam on 11/16/2011 15:43:31
Quote by Raine:I get tired of the Obama is always wrong crowd.Quote by wickedpam:Quote by Raine:
UGH.
I see we are in "people have damn lost their minds" mode.
I thought we were in that everyday? what I miss?
agreed. THe man is damned if he does and damned if he doesn't
Comment by Raine on 11/16/2011 15:45:20
Raine on 11/16/2011 15:45:20
You see this crap? Michael Moore takes one unsourced article from the EXAMINER -- decides that the DHS must be involved and now a caller says Homeland security was in Portland.
UGH.
UGH.
Comment by Raine on 11/16/2011 15:45:48
Raine on 11/16/2011 15:45:48
People have lost their g-dmd minds.
Comment by wickedpam on 11/16/2011 15:48:52
call in, if others don't hear it they will just go on believing that DHS was there
wickedpam on 11/16/2011 15:48:52
Quote by Raine:
People have lost their g-dmd minds.
call in, if others don't hear it they will just go on believing that DHS was there
Comment by Raine on 11/16/2011 15:52:54
Raine on 11/16/2011 15:52:54
This is the article the ONLY one that claims that the DHS was involved.
Mala do you remember a few years back we did some research on these examiner sites?
YES the mayors coordinated a conference call -- but there is no proof that Obama ordered shit.
Mala do you remember a few years back we did some research on these examiner sites?
YES the mayors coordinated a conference call -- but there is no proof that Obama ordered shit.
Comment by Raine on 11/16/2011 15:54:49
Raine on 11/16/2011 15:54:49
The Department of homeland security is an umbrella agency. DHS doesn't have a police force. Something else to remember.
Comment by wickedpam on 11/16/2011 15:56:30
yep - think we discovered its right focued back then, it hasn't changed since
wickedpam on 11/16/2011 15:56:30
Quote by Raine:
This is the article the ONLY one that claims that the DHS was involved.
Mala do you remember a few years back we did some research on these examiner sites?
YES the mayors coordinated a conference call -- but there is no proof that Obama ordered shit.
yep - think we discovered its right focued back then, it hasn't changed since
Comment by Mondobubba on 11/16/2011 16:15:25
Umm yeah they do. ICE is Federal LE. But with no jurisdiction with over smelly hippies in parks
Mondobubba on 11/16/2011 16:15:25
Quote by Raine:
The Department of homeland security is an umbrella agency. DHS doesn't have a police force. Something else to remember.
Umm yeah they do. ICE is Federal LE. But with no jurisdiction with over smelly hippies in parks
Comment by Raine on 11/16/2011 16:17:52
AICE and the FBI etc I believe are agencies under the umbrella of DHS.
DHS is the managerial portion. I was trying to make that distinction.
It's like saying the Pentagon invaded Iraq.
Raine on 11/16/2011 16:17:52
Quote by Mondobubba:Quote by Raine:
The Department of homeland security is an umbrella agency. DHS doesn't have a police force. Something else to remember.
Umm yeah they do. ICE is Federal LE. But with no jurisdiction with over smelly hippies in parks
DHS is the managerial portion. I was trying to make that distinction.
It's like saying the Pentagon invaded Iraq.
Comment by wickedpam on 11/16/2011 16:29:31
maybe people are getting confused - every once in a while I see a car that looks like a police car this "Homeland Security" written on it
wickedpam on 11/16/2011 16:29:31
Quote by Raine:AICE and the FBI etc I believe are agencies under the umbrella of DHS.Quote by Mondobubba:Quote by Raine:
The Department of homeland security is an umbrella agency. DHS doesn't have a police force. Something else to remember.
Umm yeah they do. ICE is Federal LE. But with no jurisdiction with over smelly hippies in parks
DHS is the managerial portion. I was trying to make that distinction.
It's like saying the Pentagon invaded Iraq.
maybe people are getting confused - every once in a while I see a car that looks like a police car this "Homeland Security" written on it
Comment by Mondobubba on 11/16/2011 16:41:09
Mondobubba on 11/16/2011 16:41:09
Quote by wickedpam:Quote by Mondobubba:Quote by wickedpam:Quote by Mondobubba:Quote by wickedpam:
I finally figured out who Cain reminds me off -
Mayor for Life Marion Barry.
I had the dubious pleasure of living in DC at the very peak of his time as mayor. it was sooo entertaining.
Yeah kinda, Berry is/was much more entertaining though.
only after "the bitch set him up"
Oh no, even before that. "I'm night owl..." after being caught with stripper at This Is It on 14th st.
oh I forgot about that!
Mayor of Life Marion "The Night Owl" Barry
Comment by Mondobubba on 11/16/2011 16:45:00
Oh boy a chance to prove what a geek I really am. The FBI, DEA, and ATF are all part of the DoJ. Federal law enforcement includes things like the Park Police, The NCIS (they are nothing like they are on TV), and the Secret Service (there are others, but I don't want be totally boring). Last time I checked the Secret Service had been moved into DHS. Don't ask me why.
Mondobubba on 11/16/2011 16:45:00
Quote by Raine:AICE and the FBI etc I believe are agencies under the umbrella of DHS.Quote by Mondobubba:Quote by Raine:
The Department of homeland security is an umbrella agency. DHS doesn't have a police force. Something else to remember.
Umm yeah they do. ICE is Federal LE. But with no jurisdiction with over smelly hippies in parks
DHS is the managerial portion. I was trying to make that distinction.
It's like saying the Pentagon invaded Iraq.
Oh boy a chance to prove what a geek I really am. The FBI, DEA, and ATF are all part of the DoJ. Federal law enforcement includes things like the Park Police, The NCIS (they are nothing like they are on TV), and the Secret Service (there are others, but I don't want be totally boring). Last time I checked the Secret Service had been moved into DHS. Don't ask me why.
Comment by Raine on 11/16/2011 16:53:36
ok, your geekery has been proven --
This still goes to the point that pissed me off. DHS was not in Portland. A caller said that DHS was there.
Raine on 11/16/2011 16:53:36
Quote by Mondobubba:Quote by Raine:AICE and the FBI etc I believe are agencies under the umbrella of DHS.Quote by Mondobubba:Quote by Raine:
The Department of homeland security is an umbrella agency. DHS doesn't have a police force. Something else to remember.
Umm yeah they do. ICE is Federal LE. But with no jurisdiction with over smelly hippies in parks
DHS is the managerial portion. I was trying to make that distinction.
It's like saying the Pentagon invaded Iraq.
Oh boy a chance to prove what a geek I really am. The FBI, DEA, and ATF are all part of the DoJ. Federal law enforcement includes things like the Park Police, The NCIS (they are nothing like they are on TV), and the Secret Service (there are others, but I don't want be totally boring). Last time I checked the Secret Service had been moved into DHS. Don't ask me why.
This still goes to the point that pissed me off. DHS was not in Portland. A caller said that DHS was there.
Comment by Will in Chicago on 11/16/2011 16:55:55
Will in Chicago on 11/16/2011 16:55:55
Good morning, bloggers! I hope that everyone is well.
BobR, I would agree that we do not have a candidate in Herman Cain but a spokesman. A very poor spokesman, but one who is getting the Koch Brothers message out. What is amazing is that his message is being countered effectively by Occupy Wall Street. When we have Republicans having to address income inequality, even if we hear them offering the same old formula, there is some progress.
As for Cain, I think that it is a matter of time before his campaign fades away.
BobR, I would agree that we do not have a candidate in Herman Cain but a spokesman. A very poor spokesman, but one who is getting the Koch Brothers message out. What is amazing is that his message is being countered effectively by Occupy Wall Street. When we have Republicans having to address income inequality, even if we hear them offering the same old formula, there is some progress.
As for Cain, I think that it is a matter of time before his campaign fades away.
Comment by wickedpam on 11/16/2011 17:01:47
wickedpam on 11/16/2011 17:01:47
what do we know about this "agree act" from Chris Coons and Marco Rubio?
Comment by Mondobubba on 11/16/2011 17:22:46
To that caller: yeah,right, whatever :hair flip, gum crack:
Mondobubba on 11/16/2011 17:22:46
Quote by Raine:ok, your geekery has been proven --Quote by Mondobubba:Quote by Raine:AICE and the FBI etc I believe are agencies under the umbrella of DHS.Quote by Mondobubba:Quote by Raine:
The Department of homeland security is an umbrella agency. DHS doesn't have a police force. Something else to remember.
Umm yeah they do. ICE is Federal LE. But with no jurisdiction with over smelly hippies in parks
DHS is the managerial portion. I was trying to make that distinction.
It's like saying the Pentagon invaded Iraq.
Oh boy a chance to prove what a geek I really am. The FBI, DEA, and ATF are all part of the DoJ. Federal law enforcement includes things like the Park Police, The NCIS (they are nothing like they are on TV), and the Secret Service (there are others, but I don't want be totally boring). Last time I checked the Secret Service had been moved into DHS. Don't ask me why.
This still goes to the point that pissed me off. DHS was not in Portland. A caller said that DHS was there.
To that caller: yeah,right, whatever :hair flip, gum crack:
Comment by Mondobubba on 11/16/2011 17:23:15
Mondobubba on 11/16/2011 17:23:15
I forgot :eyeroll:
Comment by Raine on 11/16/2011 17:23:39
Scurries to research.
Raine on 11/16/2011 17:23:39
Quote by wickedpam:
what do we know about this "agree act" from Chris Coons and Marco Rubio?
Scurries to research.
Comment by Raine on 11/16/2011 17:27:24
From Rubio's website
Raine on 11/16/2011 17:27:24
If enacted, The AGREE Act would do the following:
Provide a three year extension of 100 percent bonus depreciation for the full cost of qualified investments such as equipment and property.
Provide a three year extension of Section 179 expensing levels for small businesses.
Provide a three year extension of eliminated taxes on certain small business stock.
Extend the Research & Development tax credit until 2013, increase the Alternative Simplified Credit (ASC) from 14 percent to 20 percent, and makes the ASC permanent.
Establish an enhanced research credit for domestic manufacturers to encourage job creation at home.
Provide veterans with a tax credit equal to 25% of the fee associated with starting a franchise up to $100,000.
Provide a five-year exemption from Section 404(b) of Sarbanes-Oxley for the first five years of a company going public, or for those below $250 million in total gross revenue (whichever comes first).
Eliminate the per-country numerical limitation for employment-based immigrant visas and adjusts the limitations on family based visa petitions from 7% per country to 15%.
Protect intellectual property by clarifying the Trade Secrets Act, and making it explicitly clear that it is not a crime for federal officials, in the performance of their duties, to share information about suspected infringing products with the right holder of a trademarked good.
Comment by 
BobR on 11/16/2011 17:29:09
we have an emoticon for that
BobR on 11/16/2011 17:29:09
Quote by Mondobubba:
I forgot :eyeroll:
we have an emoticon for that
Comment by Mondobubba on 11/16/2011 17:33:15
Mondobubba on 11/16/2011 17:33:15
Can I just say DHS is one of the most half-assed federal departments, evah! Seriously it is poorly run, has poor moral and nobody really wants to work for it. It was and is a hugely Bad Idea. Not mention it was created with no collective bargining for huge chuck of the employees. Remember the massive W flip flop on that?
Comment by Mondobubba on 11/16/2011 17:34:40
All you need to know about it is if it is something that Marco Rubio supports, it's bad.
Mondobubba on 11/16/2011 17:34:40
Quote by Raine:From Rubio's websiteIf enacted, The AGREE Act would do the following:
Provide a three year extension of 100 percent bonus depreciation for the full cost of qualified investments such as equipment and property.
Provide a three year extension of Section 179 expensing levels for small businesses.
Provide a three year extension of eliminated taxes on certain small business stock.
Extend the Research & Development tax credit until 2013, increase the Alternative Simplified Credit (ASC) from 14 percent to 20 percent, and makes the ASC permanent.
Establish an enhanced research credit for domestic manufacturers to encourage job creation at home.
Provide veterans with a tax credit equal to 25% of the fee associated with starting a franchise up to $100,000.
Provide a five-year exemption from Section 404(b) of Sarbanes-Oxley for the first five years of a company going public, or for those below $250 million in total gross revenue (whichever comes first).
Eliminate the per-country numerical limitation for employment-based immigrant visas and adjusts the limitations on family based visa petitions from 7% per country to 15%.
Protect intellectual property by clarifying the Trade Secrets Act, and making it explicitly clear that it is not a crime for federal officials, in the performance of their duties, to share information about suspected infringing products with the right holder of a trademarked good.
All you need to know about it is if it is something that Marco Rubio supports, it's bad.
Comment by Mondobubba on 11/16/2011 17:37:13
WHATever! Stomps off in a dramatic teen huff:
Mondobubba on 11/16/2011 17:37:13
Quote by BobR:Quote by Mondobubba:
I forgot :eyeroll:
we have an emoticon for that
WHATever! Stomps off in a dramatic teen huff:
Comment by wickedpam on 11/16/2011 17:37:33
wickedpam on 11/16/2011 17:37:33
it doesn't look good - like most of it is business directed
I want that infrastructure act before my car busts apart from the crappy roads I have to drive on
I want that infrastructure act before my car busts apart from the crappy roads I have to drive on
Comment by Mondobubba on 11/16/2011 17:44:15
Of course not, Marco Fricking Rubio is behind it. .He is one of the more useless wastes of space in the Sentate.
Mondobubba on 11/16/2011 17:44:15
Quote by wickedpam:
it doesn't look good - like most of it is business directed
I want that infrastructure act before my car busts apart from the crappy roads I have to drive on
Of course not, Marco Fricking Rubio is behind it. .He is one of the more useless wastes of space in the Sentate.
Comment by Raine on 11/16/2011 17:44:44
Free Republic hates it... 
Raine on 11/16/2011 17:44:44
Quote by Mondobubba:
All you need to know about it is if it is something that Marco Rubio supports, it's bad.
Comment by Mondobubba on 11/16/2011 17:45:01
Mondobubba on 11/16/2011 17:45:01
I love defaming my junior senator. He is a massive ethically challenged tool.
Comment by 
livingonli on 11/16/2011 17:50:32
livingonli on 11/16/2011 17:50:32
Good day everyone. What sucks is catching a cold. It was starting to build up, and I slept like shit today because coughing kept interrupting my sleep.
Comment by Mondobubba on 11/16/2011 17:51:17
Mondobubba on 11/16/2011 17:51:17
Quote by Raine:Free Republic hates it...Quote by Mondobubba:
All you need to know about it is if it is something that Marco Rubio supports, it's bad.
Comment by wickedpam on 11/16/2011 17:56:00
wickedpam on 11/16/2011 17:56:00
Off topic - Glee - nice epi - still feels like its not as good at that first season but oh well, things get tweaked. Did make me download that Adele song though 
Comment by Raine on 11/16/2011 18:33:33
WE had to wait until tonite when they upload last show on line (we didn't record it) and we recorded last nights. So by tomorrow we should be all caught up!
Then we can chatty cathy about it!
Raine on 11/16/2011 18:33:33
Quote by wickedpam:
Off topic - Glee - nice epi - still feels like its not as good at that first season but oh well, things get tweaked. Did make me download that Adele song though
Then we can chatty cathy about it!
Comment by 
TriSec on 11/16/2011 18:42:18
TriSec on 11/16/2011 18:42:18
Say gang...It's Beaujolais Eve!
Comment by wickedpam on 11/16/2011 19:00:45
I'll tell you a secret......
but its already in our warehouse
wickedpam on 11/16/2011 19:00:45
Quote by TriSec:
Say gang...It's Beaujolais Eve!
I'll tell you a secret......
but its already in our warehouse