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Bain is fair Gain.
Author: Raine
Date: 06/04/2012 14:48:00
It appears that someone leaked John McCain’s Entire 2008 Opposition Research File on Mitt Romney Let's just pick one section, his record on business.
There is a lot more in this extensive file. For all the business experience Romney touts, these are facts: Bain has outsourced jobs and money. Bain has caused people to be unemployed. Bain has made a lot of money for people that can afford to play with money but has done little to improve the American economy. Romney WAS Bain Capital. It was Romeny's vision, and it is his baby. As of 2007 he had an investor's stake in the company, he still profits off of a company that he helped to craft. There is no getting around this. It is his history. Bain is more of his history than his public service:
As president Obama said last month: Romney replied at a fundraiser about these 'attacks' from the Obama campaign: Basically, the campaign has stated that the focus on Bain is "a simple distraction, an affront to free markets, an attempt to divide the nation". Why won't Mitt Romney accept moral responsibility for vulture capitalism? Why does Mitt Romney think looking at his record -- ALL of it -- is an attack? I call it vetting. He's spent far more time in his life as a businessman, at Bain & Company and then later at Bain Capital -- and that is where the real damage was done. I'll let our dear TriSec further elaborate on his 4 years as governor of Massachusetts, but it should be noted that 2 Romney-backed renewable energy companies have gone bankrupt during his tenure as Governor: Plus there is this: 5 Facts About The Massachusetts Economy Under Romney. I believe it is fair to look at his 7 years at Bain & Company, and his 15 years Bain Capital. If he's going to run on how he's going to fix the economy, create jobs and make this country flourish, it is insane for him to expect that no one is going to take his history into account. After all, he is still profiting from Bain Capital. Romney still profits off of Bain Capital. Regardless of the fact that he is no longer working directly for Bain, he still makes money from the company that he help to created.
4 years in public office. 22 years with Bain. This is all fair and reasonable to question. It's not attacking, it's called vetting. You can't etch-a-sketch an entire career.
and 
Raine
BUSINESS RECORD
Romney spent most of his business career as CEO of private equity firm Bain Capital – as of June 2007 he maintained an investor’s stake in the company.
Bain Capital has been criticized for relentless focus on bottom line at expense of workers and jobs.
Romney describes himself as a “business legend” in his campaign ads and once said of himself: “I’m basicallyin the investor’s Hall of Fame.”
Bain Capital and Bain & Co. employees donated at least $171,000 to Romney’s presidential campaign in Q12007 and gave tens of thousands more in support of his previous political activities.
Bain Capital financed 1988 buyout with junk bonds issued by Drexel Burnham – when SEC filed charges against the firm and CEO Michael Milken, Bain Capital maintained their business relationship; Romney laterreminisced about “the glorious days of Drexel Burnham.”
In 2004, Bain & Co. received a multi-million dollar contract from the National Iranian Oil Company.
Romney sat on board of directors of Bain portfolio company Damon Clinical Laboratories, which in 1996 was fined over $100 million for Medicare fraud committed during Romney’s tenure.
Bain Capital owned company named Ampad that purchased an Indiana paper plant, fired its workers and offered to bring them back at drastically reduced salary and benefits – the firings became an issue in the 1994 Senate race when workers blamed Romney for their situation and appeared in Kennedy campaign ads.
After Romney became governor, Bain Capital teamed up with Chinese appliance maker Haier Group in 2005i n effort to purchase Newton, IA-based Maytag Corp. and send jobs overseas.
At least two Bain Capital companies – Stream International and Modus Media – focused on outsourced technical support services, expanding facilities abroad while contracting operations in the United States.
Bain Capital operated steel company called GS Industries which went bankrupt in 2001 after years of laborstrife, closing a plant in Kansas City and laying off over 700 workers.
There is a lot more in this extensive file. For all the business experience Romney touts, these are facts: Bain has outsourced jobs and money. Bain has caused people to be unemployed. Bain has made a lot of money for people that can afford to play with money but has done little to improve the American economy. Romney WAS Bain Capital. It was Romeny's vision, and it is his baby. As of 2007 he had an investor's stake in the company, he still profits off of a company that he helped to craft. There is no getting around this. It is his history. Bain is more of his history than his public service:
Employment:
Consultant, Boston Consulting Group (1975-77)
Consultant, Bain & Company, Inc. (1977)
Vice President, Bain & Company, Inc. (1978-84)
Co-founder and managing general partner, Bain Capital, Inc. (1984-99)
Interim CEO, Bain & Company, Inc. (1991-93)
President and CEO, Salt Lake Organizing Committee (1999-2002)
Political Career:
Republican nominee for U.S. Senate from Massachusetts (1994)
Governor of Massachusetts (2003-07)
Chairman, Republican Governors Association (2005-06)
"If your main argument for how to grow the economy is 'I knew how to make a lot of money for investors,' then you're missing what this job is about," Obama said during a news conference at an international summit in Chicago. "It doesn't mean you weren't good at private equity, but that's not what my job is as president. My job is to take into account everybody, not just some. My job is to make sure that the country is growing not just now, but 10 years from now and 20 years from now."
"What this election is about is the 23 million Americans who are still struggling to find work and the millions who have lost their homes and have fallen into poverty," Romney said. "President Obama refuses to accept moral responsibility for his failed policies. My campaign is offering a positive agenda to help America get back to work."
The company, Konarka Technologies, “filed for Chapter 7 bankruptcy protection and will cease operations, lay off its 85 workers and liquidate”:
“Konarka has been unable to obtain additional financing, and given its current financial condition, it is unable to continue operations,” CEO Howard Berke said in a statement. “This is a tragedy for Konarka’s shareholders and employees and for the development of alternative energy in the United States.”
The demise of Konarka could become a hot topic on the campaign trail because Romney personally doled out a $1.5 million renewable energy subsidy to the Lowell startup in 2003, shortly after taking office on Beacon Hill.
Konarka is the second Massachusetts solar company, along with Evergreen Solar and Beacon Power, to receive taxpayer dollars under Romney’s tenure and subsequently declare bankruptcy.
1) Ranked 47th in job growth: The state’s total job growth was just 0.9 percent, <...> The national average, meanwhile, was better than 5%
2) Suffered the second-largest labor force decline in the nation: Only Louisiana, which was ravaged by Hurricane Katrina in 2005, saw a bigger decline in its labor force than Massachusetts during Romney’s tenure as governor. The US Census Bureau estimated that between July 2002 and July 2006, 222,000 more residents left Massachusetts for other states than came to it. That decline largely explains the state’s decreasing unemployment rate (from 5.6 to 4.7 percent) while Romney was in office, according to Northeastern University economics professor Andrew Sum. At the same time, the nation as a whole added 8 million people to the labor force.
3) Lost 14 percent of its manufacturing jobs: <...> In 2004, Romney vetoed legislation that would have banned companies doing business with the state from outsourcing jobs to other countries.
4) Experienced “below average” economic growth and was “often near the bottom”: <...> As a result, the state was more comparable to Rust Belt states like Illinois, Michigan, and Ohio than it was to other high-tech economies it typically competes with.
5) Piled on more debt than any other state: Romney left Massachusetts residents with $10,504 in per capita bond debt, the highest of any state in the nation when he left office in 2007. The state ranked second in debt as a percentage of personal income. <..>
According to the disclosure form, Romney's most lucrative assets in 2011 were his investments in Bain Capital. Nineteen different Bain investments are worth a total of at least $4.5 million, but are likely far more valuable because two of those assets are simply described as worth more than $1 million. Federal disclosure rules do not require candidates to list the precise value of assets or earnings, instead relying on broad ranges of wealth.
One can thus calculate a range for how much Romney earned from Bain and other holdings in 2011. Over the course of last year, the former Bain Capital CEO took in somewhere between $720,000 and $6.26 million from holdings in the firm. Money managed by Goldman Sachs was good for at least $1,113,503.01, with the gain on one Goldman fund classified simply as "over $1,000,000." In addition, he received between $100,001 and $1,000,000 from the sale of an asset portfolio managed by Goldman Sachs.
4 years in public office. 22 years with Bain. This is all fair and reasonable to question. It's not attacking, it's called vetting. You can't etch-a-sketch an entire career.
and Raine
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Comment by 
wickedpam on 06/04/2012 13:04:20
wickedpam on 06/04/2012 13:04:20
Morning 
Comment by 
Raine on 06/04/2012 13:50:59
Raine on 06/04/2012 13:50:59
ooOOoo Look at what The Political Carnival posted last night:
John McCain’s Entire 2008 Opposition Research File on Mitt Romney
John McCain’s Entire 2008 Opposition Research File on Mitt Romney
Comment by 
BobR on 06/04/2012 14:09:01
BobR on 06/04/2012 14:09:01
Comment by 
clintster on 06/04/2012 14:29:55
clintster on 06/04/2012 14:29:55
Morning, everybody.
The pic of the day: Space Shuttle Enterprise being towed by barge to the USS Intrepid museum.
The pic of the day: Space Shuttle Enterprise being towed by barge to the USS Intrepid museum.
Comment by Raine on 06/04/2012 14:56:13
Beautiful!
Raine on 06/04/2012 14:56:13
Quote by clintster:
Morning, everybody.
The pic of the day: Space Shuttle Enterprise being towed by barge to the USS Intrepid museum.
Comment by 
Mondobubba on 06/04/2012 14:57:41
Morning all.
Stunning picture.
Mondobubba on 06/04/2012 14:57:41
Quote by clintster:
Morning, everybody.
The pic of the day: Space Shuttle Enterprise being towed by barge to the USS Intrepid museum.
Morning all.
Stunning picture.
Comment by Mondobubba on 06/04/2012 15:01:18
Mondobubba on 06/04/2012 15:01:18
Am I the only 4Fer who watches "Madmen?"
Comment by wickedpam on 06/04/2012 15:27:07
Man in Zombie Costume Nearly shot
Besides that he's the worst zombie ever, did he really think this was smart to do in FL, a place that shoots first, asks questions later
wickedpam on 06/04/2012 15:27:07
Man in Zombie Costume Nearly shot
Besides that he's the worst zombie ever, did he really think this was smart to do in FL, a place that shoots first, asks questions later
Comment by wickedpam on 06/04/2012 15:27:39
never got into it - did watch Longmire on A&E last night - that was pretty good
wickedpam on 06/04/2012 15:27:39
Quote by Mondobubba:
Am I the only 4Fer who watches "Madmen?"
never got into it - did watch Longmire on A&E last night - that was pretty good
Comment by Raine on 06/04/2012 15:42:28
Raine on 06/04/2012 15:42:28
Please take a good look at the new shiny blog.
It is now posted. Thank you for waiting!
It is now posted. Thank you for waiting!
Comment by wickedpam on 06/04/2012 16:09:14
wickedpam on 06/04/2012 16:09:14
* sigh* Dish has suspended AMC until contract negotiations are done, good thing I don't watch Mad Men or Breaking Bad, come October I"m going to be ticked if its not back. I may have to look into Fios TV
Comment by Raine on 06/04/2012 16:12:18
Why did I think you already have Fios?
I keep hoping Fios will show up in our area. I'm a bit over shlomcast.
Raine on 06/04/2012 16:12:18
Quote by wickedpam:
* sigh* Dish has suspended AMC until contract negotiations are done, good thing I don't watch Mad Men or Breaking Bad, come October I"m going to be ticked if its not back. I may have to look into Fios TV
I keep hoping Fios will show up in our area. I'm a bit over shlomcast.
Comment by wickedpam on 06/04/2012 16:24:08
I have Fios for my internet at home. I can't stand Comcast and I will not give my money to a Murdoch/Direct TV. I like my Dish, I'm fine with it - I just want them to have AMC. I don't watch the dumb sports channels or all the kiddie programming - I watch Food Network, DIY, HGTV, Syfy, USA TNT, even ION and AMC. I'm a grown up I like my grown up stations (and the occasional cartoon network for Robot Chicken)
wickedpam on 06/04/2012 16:24:08
Quote by Raine:Why did I think you already have Fios?Quote by wickedpam:
* sigh* Dish has suspended AMC until contract negotiations are done, good thing I don't watch Mad Men or Breaking Bad, come October I"m going to be ticked if its not back. I may have to look into Fios TV
I keep hoping Fios will show up in our area. I'm a bit over shlomcast.
I have Fios for my internet at home. I can't stand Comcast and I will not give my money to a Murdoch/Direct TV. I like my Dish, I'm fine with it - I just want them to have AMC. I don't watch the dumb sports channels or all the kiddie programming - I watch Food Network, DIY, HGTV, Syfy, USA TNT, even ION and AMC. I'm a grown up I like my grown up stations (and the occasional cartoon network for Robot Chicken)
Comment by Raine on 06/04/2012 16:25:35
Raine on 06/04/2012 16:25:35
Comment by Raine on 06/04/2012 16:28:50
I thought Murdoch sold his portion of Direct. Maybe Liv can elaborate on that.
I had SAT TV in NY and I really liked it. Bob and I have talked about ditching the cast but just keeping the email stuff -- this is the big problem. I don;t want to change my email address.
Raine on 06/04/2012 16:28:50
Quote by wickedpam:
I have Fios for my internet at home. I can't stand Comcast and I will not give my money to a Murdoch/Direct TV. I like my Dish, I'm fine with it - I just want them to have AMC. I don't watch the dumb sports channels or all the kiddie programming - I watch Food Network, DIY, HGTV, Syfy, USA TNT, even ION and AMC. I'm a grown up I like my grown up stations (and the occasional cartoon network for Robot Chicken)
I had SAT TV in NY and I really liked it. Bob and I have talked about ditching the cast but just keeping the email stuff -- this is the big problem. I don;t want to change my email address.
Comment by Mondobubba on 06/04/2012 16:32:20
Nom nom nom. Mmmmm thats good blog!
Mondobubba on 06/04/2012 16:32:20
Quote by Raine:
Please take a good look at the new shiny blog.
It is now posted. Thank you for waiting!
Nom nom nom. Mmmmm thats good blog!
Comment by wickedpam on 06/04/2012 16:41:23
I shall wait on Liv for the word on Murdoch/Direct
I never relish changing an email address - its almost more difficult to deal with then a change in phone number
wickedpam on 06/04/2012 16:41:23
Quote by Raine:I thought Murdoch sold his portion of Direct. Maybe Liv can elaborate on that.Quote by wickedpam:
I have Fios for my internet at home. I can't stand Comcast and I will not give my money to a Murdoch/Direct TV. I like my Dish, I'm fine with it - I just want them to have AMC. I don't watch the dumb sports channels or all the kiddie programming - I watch Food Network, DIY, HGTV, Syfy, USA TNT, even ION and AMC. I'm a grown up I like my grown up stations (and the occasional cartoon network for Robot Chicken)
I had SAT TV in NY and I really liked it. Bob and I have talked about ditching the cast but just keeping the email stuff -- this is the big problem. I don;t want to change my email address.
I shall wait on Liv for the word on Murdoch/Direct
I never relish changing an email address - its almost more difficult to deal with then a change in phone number
Comment by BobR on 06/04/2012 17:10:22
we watched one episode. Meh...
BobR on 06/04/2012 17:10:22
Quote by wickedpam:Quote by Mondobubba:
Am I the only 4Fer who watches "Madmen?"
never got into it - did watch Longmire on A&E last night - that was pretty good
we watched one episode. Meh...
Comment by 
livingonli on 06/04/2012 17:22:55
livingonli on 06/04/2012 17:22:55
Good day, folks. Crashed out this morning in the crappy weather and kitty needed attention just now. And just to clarify a few things, Murdoch does no longer own DirecTV, he sold it to Liberty Media a few years ago. In fact, DirecTV avoided a dispute with Fox at the last minute similar to the one Dish and Cablevision had with them in 2010. I came back to DirecTV last year as one of the people who jumped on the free Sunday Ticket promotion although I still have cable for internet and the basic HD channels that they have that Direct does not yet have in HD.
As for Dish's current dispute with AMC Networks (formerly Rainbow), its roots actually go back several years and is another part of Dish's frequent contract fights with programmers and why I would never go back to them (although I do like the superstations). Back in 2005, Dish cut a deal with what was then Rainbow to buy the communications satellite for Rainbow's failed DBS venture Voom and as part of the deal they agreed to carry many of the former provider's exclusive HD content which at that time made it the HD leader (Strange back in 2005 that there were still not a lot of HD channels). Then in the spring of 2008, Dish pulled the Voom HD channels arguing that they were too repetitive and that Rainbow-AMC was not spending enough on programming from those channels. Rainbow sued arguing breach of contract and this has been wringing through the courts until quite recently when the courts argued that the suit could go through and Dish apparently destroyed their evidence and other information relevant to the case. The courts argued that AMC Networks case could continue and when that happened, Dish announced plans to drop the other AMC Network channels at the end of June (which they seem to have moved ahead on) resulting in AMC, We, IFC, and Sundance all being pulled. They already did the same with MSG's networks in October, 2010 simply because they didn't want to carry Fuse and pulled MSG and MSG Plus from the lineup (they had already dropped Fuse) and those channels have yet to return and since they pulled SNY also last years, its doubtful they will which also means New York customers don't get regional sports on Dish at all.
As for Dish's current dispute with AMC Networks (formerly Rainbow), its roots actually go back several years and is another part of Dish's frequent contract fights with programmers and why I would never go back to them (although I do like the superstations). Back in 2005, Dish cut a deal with what was then Rainbow to buy the communications satellite for Rainbow's failed DBS venture Voom and as part of the deal they agreed to carry many of the former provider's exclusive HD content which at that time made it the HD leader (Strange back in 2005 that there were still not a lot of HD channels). Then in the spring of 2008, Dish pulled the Voom HD channels arguing that they were too repetitive and that Rainbow-AMC was not spending enough on programming from those channels. Rainbow sued arguing breach of contract and this has been wringing through the courts until quite recently when the courts argued that the suit could go through and Dish apparently destroyed their evidence and other information relevant to the case. The courts argued that AMC Networks case could continue and when that happened, Dish announced plans to drop the other AMC Network channels at the end of June (which they seem to have moved ahead on) resulting in AMC, We, IFC, and Sundance all being pulled. They already did the same with MSG's networks in October, 2010 simply because they didn't want to carry Fuse and pulled MSG and MSG Plus from the lineup (they had already dropped Fuse) and those channels have yet to return and since they pulled SNY also last years, its doubtful they will which also means New York customers don't get regional sports on Dish at all.
Comment by Mondobubba on 06/04/2012 17:27:20
Mondobubba on 06/04/2012 17:27:20
Damn! Blogger peeps to dish about Betty Draper Francis.
Comment by Mondobubba on 06/04/2012 17:41:37
Mondobubba on 06/04/2012 17:41:37
Or the Don-Megan dynamic. Or what complete human filth in a Brooks Brothers suit that is Pete Campbell.
Comment by wickedpam on 06/04/2012 17:43:21
so its looking like these channels won't be back, does it. *sigh* I didn't want to switch, despite this AMC crap I like Dish
wickedpam on 06/04/2012 17:43:21
Quote by livingonli:
Good day, folks. Crashed out this morning in the crappy weather and kitty needed attention just now. And just to clarify a few things, Murdoch does no longer own DirecTV, he sold it to Liberty Media a few years ago. In fact, DirecTV avoided a dispute with Fox at the last minute similar to the one Dish and Cablevision had with them in 2010. I came back to DirecTV last year as one of the people who jumped on the free Sunday Ticket promotion although I still have cable for internet and the basic HD channels that they have that Direct does not yet have in HD.
As for Dish's current dispute with AMC Networks (formerly Rainbow), its roots actually go back several years and is another part of Dish's frequent contract fights with programmers and why I would never go back to them (although I do like the superstations). Back in 2005, Dish cut a deal with what was then Rainbow to buy the communications satellite for Rainbow's failed DBS venture Voom and as part of the deal they agreed to carry many of the former provider's exclusive HD content which at that time made it the HD leader (Strange back in 2005 that there were still not a lot of HD channels). Then in the spring of 2008, Dish pulled the Voom HD channels arguing that they were too repetitive and that Rainbow-AMC was not spending enough on programming from those channels. Rainbow sued arguing breach of contract and this has been wringing through the courts until quite recently when the courts argued that the suit could go through and Dish apparently destroyed their evidence and other information relevant to the case. The courts argued that AMC Networks case could continue and when that happened, Dish announced plans to drop the other AMC Network channels at the end of June (which they seem to have moved ahead on) resulting in AMC, We, IFC, and Sundance all being pulled. They already did the same with MSG's networks in October, 2010 simply because they didn't want to carry Fuse and pulled MSG and MSG Plus from the lineup (they had already dropped Fuse) and those channels have yet to return and since they pulled SNY also last years, its doubtful they will which also means New York customers don't get regional sports on Dish at all.
so its looking like these channels won't be back, does it. *sigh* I didn't want to switch, despite this AMC crap I like Dish
Comment by wickedpam on 06/04/2012 17:44:55
didn't you bail on me for Walking Dead when I wanted to bitch about Lori?
wickedpam on 06/04/2012 17:44:55
Quote by Mondobubba:
Damn! Blogger peeps to dish about Betty Draper Francis.
didn't you bail on me for Walking Dead when I wanted to bitch about Lori?
Comment by livingonli on 06/04/2012 17:47:28
It depends what happens with this lawsuit. Dish wants to get that lawsuit killed but this could be dragged out and it may not settle until Dish loses the suit which is what their own actions are going to result in.
livingonli on 06/04/2012 17:47:28
Quote by wickedpam:Quote by livingonli:
Good day, folks. Crashed out this morning in the crappy weather and kitty needed attention just now. And just to clarify a few things, Murdoch does no longer own DirecTV, he sold it to Liberty Media a few years ago. In fact, DirecTV avoided a dispute with Fox at the last minute similar to the one Dish and Cablevision had with them in 2010. I came back to DirecTV last year as one of the people who jumped on the free Sunday Ticket promotion although I still have cable for internet and the basic HD channels that they have that Direct does not yet have in HD.
As for Dish's current dispute with AMC Networks (formerly Rainbow), its roots actually go back several years and is another part of Dish's frequent contract fights with programmers and why I would never go back to them (although I do like the superstations). Back in 2005, Dish cut a deal with what was then Rainbow to buy the communications satellite for Rainbow's failed DBS venture Voom and as part of the deal they agreed to carry many of the former provider's exclusive HD content which at that time made it the HD leader (Strange back in 2005 that there were still not a lot of HD channels). Then in the spring of 2008, Dish pulled the Voom HD channels arguing that they were too repetitive and that Rainbow-AMC was not spending enough on programming from those channels. Rainbow sued arguing breach of contract and this has been wringing through the courts until quite recently when the courts argued that the suit could go through and Dish apparently destroyed their evidence and other information relevant to the case. The courts argued that AMC Networks case could continue and when that happened, Dish announced plans to drop the other AMC Network channels at the end of June (which they seem to have moved ahead on) resulting in AMC, We, IFC, and Sundance all being pulled. They already did the same with MSG's networks in October, 2010 simply because they didn't want to carry Fuse and pulled MSG and MSG Plus from the lineup (they had already dropped Fuse) and those channels have yet to return and since they pulled SNY also last years, its doubtful they will which also means New York customers don't get regional sports on Dish at all.
so its looking like these channels won't be back, does it. *sigh* I didn't want to switch, despite this AMC crap I like Dish
It depends what happens with this lawsuit. Dish wants to get that lawsuit killed but this could be dragged out and it may not settle until Dish loses the suit which is what their own actions are going to result in.
Comment by wickedpam on 06/04/2012 17:49:47
whats the timeline looking like then? month(s), year(s)
wickedpam on 06/04/2012 17:49:47
Quote by livingonli:Quote by wickedpam:Quote by livingonli:
Good day, folks. Crashed out this morning in the crappy weather and kitty needed attention just now. And just to clarify a few things, Murdoch does no longer own DirecTV, he sold it to Liberty Media a few years ago. In fact, DirecTV avoided a dispute with Fox at the last minute similar to the one Dish and Cablevision had with them in 2010. I came back to DirecTV last year as one of the people who jumped on the free Sunday Ticket promotion although I still have cable for internet and the basic HD channels that they have that Direct does not yet have in HD.
As for Dish's current dispute with AMC Networks (formerly Rainbow), its roots actually go back several years and is another part of Dish's frequent contract fights with programmers and why I would never go back to them (although I do like the superstations). Back in 2005, Dish cut a deal with what was then Rainbow to buy the communications satellite for Rainbow's failed DBS venture Voom and as part of the deal they agreed to carry many of the former provider's exclusive HD content which at that time made it the HD leader (Strange back in 2005 that there were still not a lot of HD channels). Then in the spring of 2008, Dish pulled the Voom HD channels arguing that they were too repetitive and that Rainbow-AMC was not spending enough on programming from those channels. Rainbow sued arguing breach of contract and this has been wringing through the courts until quite recently when the courts argued that the suit could go through and Dish apparently destroyed their evidence and other information relevant to the case. The courts argued that AMC Networks case could continue and when that happened, Dish announced plans to drop the other AMC Network channels at the end of June (which they seem to have moved ahead on) resulting in AMC, We, IFC, and Sundance all being pulled. They already did the same with MSG's networks in October, 2010 simply because they didn't want to carry Fuse and pulled MSG and MSG Plus from the lineup (they had already dropped Fuse) and those channels have yet to return and since they pulled SNY also last years, its doubtful they will which also means New York customers don't get regional sports on Dish at all.
so its looking like these channels won't be back, does it. *sigh* I didn't want to switch, despite this AMC crap I like Dish
It depends what happens with this lawsuit. Dish wants to get that lawsuit killed but this could be dragged out and it may not settle until Dish loses the suit which is what their own actions are going to result in.
whats the timeline looking like then? month(s), year(s)
Comment by Mondobubba on 06/04/2012 18:01:15
AMC was dropping spots into Mad Men last night to turn the screws up on Dish. I think the ads were saying like July 1st.
Mondobubba on 06/04/2012 18:01:15
Quote by wickedpam:Quote by livingonli:Quote by wickedpam:Quote by livingonli:
Good day, folks. Crashed out this morning in the crappy weather and kitty needed attention just now. And just to clarify a few things, Murdoch does no longer own DirecTV, he sold it to Liberty Media a few years ago. In fact, DirecTV avoided a dispute with Fox at the last minute similar to the one Dish and Cablevision had with them in 2010. I came back to DirecTV last year as one of the people who jumped on the free Sunday Ticket promotion although I still have cable for internet and the basic HD channels that they have that Direct does not yet have in HD.
As for Dish's current dispute with AMC Networks (formerly Rainbow), its roots actually go back several years and is another part of Dish's frequent contract fights with programmers and why I would never go back to them (although I do like the superstations). Back in 2005, Dish cut a deal with what was then Rainbow to buy the communications satellite for Rainbow's failed DBS venture Voom and as part of the deal they agreed to carry many of the former provider's exclusive HD content which at that time made it the HD leader (Strange back in 2005 that there were still not a lot of HD channels). Then in the spring of 2008, Dish pulled the Voom HD channels arguing that they were too repetitive and that Rainbow-AMC was not spending enough on programming from those channels. Rainbow sued arguing breach of contract and this has been wringing through the courts until quite recently when the courts argued that the suit could go through and Dish apparently destroyed their evidence and other information relevant to the case. The courts argued that AMC Networks case could continue and when that happened, Dish announced plans to drop the other AMC Network channels at the end of June (which they seem to have moved ahead on) resulting in AMC, We, IFC, and Sundance all being pulled. They already did the same with MSG's networks in October, 2010 simply because they didn't want to carry Fuse and pulled MSG and MSG Plus from the lineup (they had already dropped Fuse) and those channels have yet to return and since they pulled SNY also last years, its doubtful they will which also means New York customers don't get regional sports on Dish at all.
so its looking like these channels won't be back, does it. *sigh* I didn't want to switch, despite this AMC crap I like Dish
It depends what happens with this lawsuit. Dish wants to get that lawsuit killed but this could be dragged out and it may not settle until Dish loses the suit which is what their own actions are going to result in.
whats the timeline looking like then? month(s), year(s)
AMC was dropping spots into Mad Men last night to turn the screws up on Dish. I think the ads were saying like July 1st.
Comment by Mondobubba on 06/04/2012 18:01:58
No, I just got bored with it.
Mondobubba on 06/04/2012 18:01:58
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Damn! Blogger peeps to dish about Betty Draper Francis.
didn't you bail on me for Walking Dead when I wanted to bitch about Lori?
No, I just got bored with it.
Comment by 
Scoopster on 06/04/2012 18:08:24
Scoopster on 06/04/2012 18:08:24
Afternoon all & happy half-day meeting Mondee.. 
In such cases as this one where certain channels are unavailable due to the legal and/or financial squabblings of those who control media access, I've found a simple solution.
In such cases as this one where certain channels are unavailable due to the legal and/or financial squabblings of those who control media access, I've found a simple solution.
Comment by wickedpam on 06/04/2012 18:08:48
okay I'll give you that a few epis were fillers but really the Rick/Shane thing went nuts in the last few epis and Darryl just rocked it in his crazy way
wickedpam on 06/04/2012 18:08:48
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Damn! Blogger peeps to dish about Betty Draper Francis.
didn't you bail on me for Walking Dead when I wanted to bitch about Lori?
No, I just got bored with it.
okay I'll give you that a few epis were fillers but really the Rick/Shane thing went nuts in the last few epis and Darryl just rocked it in his crazy way
Comment by wickedpam on 06/04/2012 18:09:52
with my luck I'd be the one sued to be made an example of - I don't tempt fate that way
wickedpam on 06/04/2012 18:09:52
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Afternoon all & happy half-day meeting Mondee..
In such cases as this one where certain channels are unavailable due to the legal and/or financial squabblings of those who control media access, I've found a simple solution.
with my luck I'd be the one sued to be made an example of - I don't tempt fate that way
Comment by livingonli on 06/04/2012 18:48:35
This lawsuit is already 4 years old and it hasn't yet gone to trial although the recent court ruling does clear the way for it to finally go to a hearing so we'll see how long that takes. The judicial part does seem to be the slowest.
livingonli on 06/04/2012 18:48:35
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whats the timeline looking like then? month(s), year(s)
This lawsuit is already 4 years old and it hasn't yet gone to trial although the recent court ruling does clear the way for it to finally go to a hearing so we'll see how long that takes. The judicial part does seem to be the slowest.
Comment by Raine on 06/04/2012 18:57:47
Raine on 06/04/2012 18:57:47
Hey everyone, I just watched a movie on AMC and AMC is running chirons like crazy to get people to pay attention to this Dish network thing.
Sorry Mondo -- I'm just not into Mad Men. You should reach out to Stan, he loves the show.
I found it terribly boring and insulting even for the period that it is set in.
Sorry Mondo -- I'm just not into Mad Men. You should reach out to Stan, he loves the show.
I found it terribly boring and insulting even for the period that it is set in.
Comment by Mondobubba on 06/04/2012 18:58:55
Four Freedoms Blog does not condone the use of torrent site. That is all.
Mondobubba on 06/04/2012 18:58:55
Quote by wickedpam:Quote by Scoopster:
Afternoon all & happy half-day meeting Mondee..
In such cases as this one where certain channels are unavailable due to the legal and/or financial squabblings of those who control media access, I've found a simple solution.
with my luck I'd be the one sued to be made an example of - I don't tempt fate that way
Four Freedoms Blog does not condone the use of torrent site. That is all.
Comment by Mondobubba on 06/04/2012 18:59:54
Yes it moves very slowly. It requires careful viewing.
Mondobubba on 06/04/2012 18:59:54
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Hey everyone, I just watched a movie on AMC and AMC is running chirons like crazy to get people to pay attention to this Dish network thing.
Sorry Mondo -- I'm just not into Mad Men. You should reach out to Stan, he loves the show.
I found it terribly boring and insulting even for the period that it is set in.
Yes it moves very slowly. It requires careful viewing.
Comment by Mondobubba on 06/04/2012 19:16:05
It is not unlike the Sopranos in the pacing. No surprise since the man behind the show, Anthony Weiner was one of the writers and producers for the Sopranos. he is reponsible for the writing in the last season of that show.
Mondobubba on 06/04/2012 19:16:05
Quote by Mondobubba:Quote by Raine:
Hey everyone, I just watched a movie on AMC and AMC is running chirons like crazy to get people to pay attention to this Dish network thing.
Sorry Mondo -- I'm just not into Mad Men. You should reach out to Stan, he loves the show.
I found it terribly boring and insulting even for the period that it is set in.
Yes it moves very slowly. It requires careful viewing.
It is not unlike the Sopranos in the pacing. No surprise since the man behind the show, Anthony Weiner was one of the writers and producers for the Sopranos. he is reponsible for the writing in the last season of that show.
Comment by clintster on 06/04/2012 19:46:14
I heard about it this morning. Until I heard Cain was coming in, I thought the flagship station might consider going to an all-news or mostly news format, or that they were getting ready to swipe Limbaugh from another station in town. Nope.
Although I disliked Boortz' positions on a great many issues, he was fairly open-minded when it came to LGBT issues; I don't think Cain is cut from the same mold. Ah well, good thing I can take iHeartRadio in the car with me now.
clintster on 06/04/2012 19:46:14
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Neil Boortz is retiring.
And Herm Cain will be taking his place. This is pretty amazing to me.
I heard about it this morning. Until I heard Cain was coming in, I thought the flagship station might consider going to an all-news or mostly news format, or that they were getting ready to swipe Limbaugh from another station in town. Nope.
Although I disliked Boortz' positions on a great many issues, he was fairly open-minded when it came to LGBT issues; I don't think Cain is cut from the same mold. Ah well, good thing I can take iHeartRadio in the car with me now.
Comment by clintster on 06/04/2012 19:52:39
clintster on 06/04/2012 19:52:39
BTW, rest in peace Eduard Khil, aka "Trololo Guy"
Comment by Raine on 06/04/2012 19:52:47
Raine on 06/04/2012 19:52:47
Apropos of today's blog, this is the newest ad drop:
Comment by Raine on 06/04/2012 19:55:29
I do hope you are not suggesting that someone such as myself cannot comprehend or understand the show... 
Raine on 06/04/2012 19:55:29
Quote by Mondobubba:Quote by Raine:
Hey everyone, I just watched a movie on AMC and AMC is running chirons like crazy to get people to pay attention to this Dish network thing.
Sorry Mondo -- I'm just not into Mad Men. You should reach out to Stan, he loves the show.
I found it terribly boring and insulting even for the period that it is set in.
Yes it moves very slowly. It requires careful viewing.
Comment by Raine on 06/04/2012 19:56:44
I truly believe that Cain will hurt Boortz' brand.
This is going to be interesting.
Raine on 06/04/2012 19:56:44
Quote by clintster:Quote by Raine:
Neil Boortz is retiring.
And Herm Cain will be taking his place. This is pretty amazing to me.
I heard about it this morning. Until I heard Cain was coming in, I thought the flagship station might consider going to an all-news or mostly news format, or that they were getting ready to swipe Limbaugh from another station in town. Nope.
Although I disliked Boortz' positions on a great many issues, he was fairly open-minded when it came to LGBT issues; I don't think Cain is cut from the same mold. Ah well, good thing I can take iHeartRadio in the car with me now.
This is going to be interesting.
Comment by Raine on 06/04/2012 19:58:32
Until just now, I wasn't aware we took any stance on such things.
Raine on 06/04/2012 19:58:32
Quote by Mondobubba:Quote by wickedpam:Quote by Scoopster:
Afternoon all & happy half-day meeting Mondee..
In such cases as this one where certain channels are unavailable due to the legal and/or financial squabblings of those who control media access, I've found a simple solution.
with my luck I'd be the one sued to be made an example of - I don't tempt fate that way
Four Freedoms Blog does not condone the use of torrent site. That is all.
Until just now, I wasn't aware we took any stance on such things.
Comment by clintster on 06/04/2012 19:59:24
What I also find interesting is that back when Cain left WSB to run for President, I basically thought that when he eventually failed he would come back to the station. I think he'll end up leaving again in a few years for another failed political run ($5 says he runs for GA governor next).
clintster on 06/04/2012 19:59:24
Quote by Raine:I truly believe that Cain will hurt Boortz' brand.Quote by clintster:Quote by Raine:
Neil Boortz is retiring.
And Herm Cain will be taking his place. This is pretty amazing to me.
I heard about it this morning. Until I heard Cain was coming in, I thought the flagship station might consider going to an all-news or mostly news format, or that they were getting ready to swipe Limbaugh from another station in town. Nope.
Although I disliked Boortz' positions on a great many issues, he was fairly open-minded when it came to LGBT issues; I don't think Cain is cut from the same mold. Ah well, good thing I can take iHeartRadio in the car with me now.
This is going to be interesting.
What I also find interesting is that back when Cain left WSB to run for President, I basically thought that when he eventually failed he would come back to the station. I think he'll end up leaving again in a few years for another failed political run ($5 says he runs for GA governor next).
Comment by Raine on 06/04/2012 19:59:43
I knew that Liv would be able to tell us what is going on here.
Raine on 06/04/2012 19:59:43
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whats the timeline looking like then? month(s), year(s)
This lawsuit is already 4 years old and it hasn't yet gone to trial although the recent court ruling does clear the way for it to finally go to a hearing so we'll see how long that takes. The judicial part does seem to be the slowest.
Comment by Raine on 06/04/2012 20:01:41
Against Deal? As a primary challenger? I could totally see him do that. He's got the ego for it.
Raine on 06/04/2012 20:01:41
Quote by clintster:
What I also find interesting is that back when Cain left WSB to run for President, I basically thought that when he eventually failed he would come back to the station. I think he'll end up leaving again in a few years for another failed political run ($5 says he runs for GA governor next).
Comment by Raine on 06/04/2012 20:06:54
Raine on 06/04/2012 20:06:54
Wow.
McElligott was a truck driver and spent 30 years behind the wheel with his left side exposed to damaging UVB rays. (Courtesy New England Journal of Medicine, taken by Jennifer R.S. Gordon, M.D)
McElligott was a truck driver and spent 30 years behind the wheel with his left side exposed to damaging UVB rays. (Courtesy New England Journal of Medicine, taken by Jennifer R.S. Gordon, M.D)
Comment by Mondobubba on 06/04/2012 20:10:37
Noooooooeeee! Like the Sopranos, they might leave a thread hanging for a couple episodes. If you aren't paying attetion you might miss it and wonder what the hell?? The Wire did the same thing.
Mondobubba on 06/04/2012 20:10:37
Quote by Raine:I do hope you are not suggesting that someone such as myself cannot comprehend or understand the show...Quote by Mondobubba:Quote by Raine:
Hey everyone, I just watched a movie on AMC and AMC is running chirons like crazy to get people to pay attention to this Dish network thing.
Sorry Mondo -- I'm just not into Mad Men. You should reach out to Stan, he loves the show.
I found it terribly boring and insulting even for the period that it is set in.
Yes it moves very slowly. It requires careful viewing.
Noooooooeeee! Like the Sopranos, they might leave a thread hanging for a couple episodes. If you aren't paying attetion you might miss it and wonder what the hell?? The Wire did the same thing.
Comment by Will in Chicago on 06/04/2012 20:19:51
Will in Chicago on 06/04/2012 20:19:51
Hello, bloggers!!
I hope that everyone is well!! Raine, I really enjoyed the blog and plan to share the Political Carnival article on Facebook and Google Plus later. I think that the fact that John McCain decided NOT to pick Romney based in part on this document should have everyone pause in looking at the record of Governor Romney.
In some good news, yesterday I was checking out what was around one job in Massachusetts and decided to check another nearby town. They just posted a full time high school English teacher job. So, perhaps that is a sign. (I also checked on the school calendar and I think that if I end up working there, I would have a chance to see about getting down to DC in February or April.)
Well, back to the grind.
I hope that everyone is well!! Raine, I really enjoyed the blog and plan to share the Political Carnival article on Facebook and Google Plus later. I think that the fact that John McCain decided NOT to pick Romney based in part on this document should have everyone pause in looking at the record of Governor Romney.
In some good news, yesterday I was checking out what was around one job in Massachusetts and decided to check another nearby town. They just posted a full time high school English teacher job. So, perhaps that is a sign. (I also checked on the school calendar and I think that if I end up working there, I would have a chance to see about getting down to DC in February or April.)
Well, back to the grind.
Comment by BobR on 06/04/2012 20:53:28
It wasn't hard to pick up on what was going on. I just didn't find it interesting.
BobR on 06/04/2012 20:53:28
Quote by Mondobubba:Quote by Raine:I do hope you are not suggesting that someone such as myself cannot comprehend or understand the show...Quote by Mondobubba:Quote by Raine:
Hey everyone, I just watched a movie on AMC and AMC is running chirons like crazy to get people to pay attention to this Dish network thing.
Sorry Mondo -- I'm just not into Mad Men. You should reach out to Stan, he loves the show.
I found it terribly boring and insulting even for the period that it is set in.
Yes it moves very slowly. It requires careful viewing.
Noooooooeeee! Like the Sopranos, they might leave a thread hanging for a couple episodes. If you aren't paying attetion you might miss it and wonder what the hell?? The Wire did the same thing.
It wasn't hard to pick up on what was going on. I just didn't find it interesting.
Comment by 
TriSec on 06/05/2012 01:32:13
TriSec on 06/05/2012 01:32:13
Evening, folks.
For the first time in many months, I've come home from a Troop meeting and I did not spit nails, nor did I run straight for the whiskey.
Of course, we went to a different troop this week. And will probably do so in the fall when it starts back up again.
For the first time in many months, I've come home from a Troop meeting and I did not spit nails, nor did I run straight for the whiskey.
Of course, we went to a different troop this week. And will probably do so in the fall when it starts back up again.
Comment by livingonli on 06/05/2012 02:01:48
livingonli on 06/05/2012 02:01:48
It looks like Dish already pulled Sundance ahead of the contract expiration.