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The Culture War - State Edition
Author: BobR    Date: 01/25/2013 13:52:49

While most of the nation's focus is on political manueverings in DC, most of the action that really affects our lives occurs at the state level. Although the watered down filibuster reform is aggravating, and watching Republicans shoot themselves in the foot while attemping to grill SoS Hillary Clinton and future Sos John Kerry is entertaining, none of that is very germaine to our daily lives.

If you are a woman with an unwanted pregnancy, however, the laws of the state you call home are definitely affecting your life. Since Roe -vs- Wade has made abortion legal at the national level, anti-choice activists have been working hard at the state level to make abortion so difficult as to eliminate it completely. Some states have only one abortion clinic serving the entire state. One of those states is Mississippi, and it faces closure when a new law goes into effect:
The Jackson Women’s Health Organisation, which has become a focus of the bitter fight for abortion rights across the nation, successfully won an injunction in July which allowed its medical staff time to try to comply with the law. But the injunction has run out, and, earlier this month, the facility’s owners were told by officials from the Department of Health they were not in compliance with House Bill 1390, passed and signed by Republican legislators in April.

Mississippi lawmakers have openly stated that the legislation, which requires the clinic’s doctors to gain admitting privileges at local hospitals, is aimed at closing JWHO and thus ending abortion in the state.

That's how they do it. I'm sure there was some rational-sounding explanation for the law, along the lines of "if there are medical complications during the procedure, the doctor needs to be able to admit the patient to an ER and continue treatment". Of course - any hospital that gives the doctors that privilige gains nothing but a lot of grief from anti-choice crusaders.

Laws like these attack the doctors and the facilities. There are also the laws that create hoops that women must jump through (like waiting periods, forced ultrasounds, counseling) in an effort to discourage them. There are also attempts to protect the fetus via various means. Mississippi voters defeated a "personhood bill" meant to grant legal rights to a non-viable clump of cells. A state legislator in New Mexico is trying another tack, probably one of the most disgusting attacks on women yet: It would outlaw abortion for rape victims as "tampering with evidence":
State Rep. Cathrynn Brown ® has put forth House Bill 206, which would compel women to carry pregnancies caused by rape to term or else be charged with a third-degree felony.

“Tampering with evidence shall include procuring or facilitating an abortion, or compelling or coercing another to obtain an abortion, of a fetus that is the result of criminal sexual penetration or incest with the intent to destroy evidence of the crime,” reads the bill.

Third-degree felonies are punishable by up to three years in prison. Other crimes classified as third-degree felonies in New Mexico include voluntary manslaughter, assault with intent to commit a felony, driving under the influence and aggravated battery.

It's likely this will get voted down in this state, but it's a model for other states with a Republican lock on the statehouse and governor. A lot of this stuff got tossed aside this past year for fear of alienating voters. Now that the election is over, watch for more of these types of bills to float to the surface like a dead bloated fish.

There is one interesting hypocritical wrinkle in all of this. Part of the big bruhaha last year was over contraception. It was posited that forcing religion-founded businesses (ie: Catholic, Methodist, and Baptist hospitals) to include contraceptive coverage in their insurance plans was unconstitutional. Part of the problem with the clinic in Mississippi is that the nearby hospitals are all religion-based and unlikely to give an abortion provider admitting privileges. The Catholic church's positions on birth control and abortion are pretty well known.

That's why it's amazing that a chain of Catholic hospitals argued in a malpractice case that fetuses aren't people:
A chain of Catholic Hospitals has beaten a malpractice lawsuit by saying that fetuses are not equivalent to human lives. According to the Colorado Independent, in the death of a 31-year-old woman carrying twin fetuses, Catholic Health Initiatives’ attorneys argued that in cases of wrongful death, the term “person” only applies to individuals born alive, and not to those who die in utero.
[..]
Catholic Health Initiatives’ promotional literature states that its mission is to “nurture the healing ministry of the Church” and be guided by “fidelity to the Gospel.” The chain’s refusal to dispense contraceptives, perform abortions or to offer end-of-life services has placed it at odds in business deals attempting to acquire secularly governed hospitals in the past.

The Independent wrote, “In 2011, the Kentucky attorney general and governor nixed a plan in which Catholic Health sought to merge with and ultimately gain control of publicly funded hospitals in Louisville. The officials were reacting to citizen concerns that access to reproductive and end-of-life services would be curtailed. According to The Denver Post, similar fears slowed the Sisters of Charity of Leavenworth’s plan over the last few years to buy out Exempla Lutheran Medical Center and Exempla Good Samaritan Medical Center in the Denver metro area.”

Nonetheless, when it came to mounting a defense in the Stodghill case, the firm was clear that only people who are “born alive” count as “people” as under the law. The argument has won favorable rulings from Fremont County District Court Judge David M. Thorson and now-retired Colorado Court of Appeals Judge Arthur Roy.

At 7 months, the fetuses may have actually been viable outside the womb. If the Catholics are willing to argue they aren't people under the law to protect their finances, then they have no moral ground to prevent abortions for women in their first trimester. Then again - considering the long bloody history of the Christian religion, they really have no moral standing on anything.
 

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Comment by wickedpam on 01/25/2013 13:58:00
Morning

Comment by Mondobubba on 01/25/2013 14:00:09
Happy Fridee!

Comment by TriSec on 01/25/2013 14:06:15
Morning, comrades.

Grunt.



Comment by Scoopster on 01/25/2013 14:06:33
Mornin' all & Happy Fridee!
The is for you Tri.. And so is this!

Comment by Scoopster on 01/25/2013 14:07:00
Comment by BobR on 01/25/2013 14:16:53
blog is posted!

Comment by Raine on 01/25/2013 14:17:06
Good morning!

Comment by BobR on 01/25/2013 14:18:00

great minds think alike (see blog)

Comment by BobR on 01/25/2013 14:19:31
Yet another state trying to mandate religious belief taught as "science". GA tried this about 15 years ago, and it eventually was overturned.

Comment by Raine on 01/25/2013 14:27:53
I remember years ago arguing, er debating -- with a lot of people that said abortion was just a wedge issue. I was told that no way would they try to get rid of a woman's right to choose because they needed it as a campaign point.

I disagreed. It's times like this that I really wish I weren't right.

Comment by wickedpam on 01/25/2013 14:59:24
how do are you not able to find Farragut West Metro stop? Big color coded map is kinda easy to use

Comment by Mondobubba on 01/25/2013 15:05:57
Quote by wickedpam:
how do are you not able to find Farragut West Metro stop? Big color coded map is kinda easy to use



It's not like they announce the stops or anything as well.

Comment by Scoopster on 01/25/2013 15:06:56
Comment by wickedpam on 01/25/2013 15:07:29
Quote by Mondobubba:
Quote by wickedpam:
how do are you not able to find Farragut West Metro stop? Big color coded map is kinda easy to use



It's not like they announce the stops or anything as well.


well it is hard to hear the garbble message - mostly you hear "Bing Bong" lkajsdlkjfaslf


Comment by Raine on 01/25/2013 15:09:38
Quote by wickedpam:
how do are you not able to find Farragut West Metro stop? Big color coded map is kinda easy to use
Maps are your friend.


Comment by TriSec on 01/25/2013 15:10:38
CQD-MGY
CQD-MGY
CQD-MGY

WE ARE PUTTING THE WOMEN OFF IN BOATS. COME QUICKLY, OM ENGINE ROOM IS FILLING UP TO THE BOILERS.

Sorry, feeling a little sluggish this morning - like I'm already in my afternoon decline. (Bonus points, BTW.)


Comment by Raine on 01/25/2013 15:13:56
Comment by wickedpam on 01/25/2013 15:17:38
Quote by Raine:
Quote by wickedpam:
how do are you not able to find Farragut West Metro stop? Big color coded map is kinda easy to use
Maps are your friend.



are people even taught to read maps anymore? we had to learn as part of geography class.

Comment by Mondobubba on 01/25/2013 15:21:59
Quote by TriSec:
CQD-MGY
CQD-MGY
CQD-MGY

WE ARE PUTTING THE WOMEN OFF IN BOATS. COME QUICKLY, OM ENGINE ROOM IS FILLING UP TO THE BOILERS.

Sorry, feeling a little sluggish this morning - like I'm already in my afternoon decline. (Bonus points, BTW.)



RMS Titanic? Or the Andrea Doria.

Comment by Mondobubba on 01/25/2013 15:23:32
Quote by wickedpam:
Quote by Mondobubba:
Quote by wickedpam:
how do are you not able to find Farragut West Metro stop? Big color coded map is kinda easy to use



It's not like they announce the stops or anything as well.


well it is hard to hear the garbble message - mostly you hear "Bing Bong" lkajsdlkjfaslf



Well, okay there is that. How about the polls at each station that have the name printed on them?

Comment by TriSec on 01/25/2013 15:25:17
Quote by wickedpam:



are people even taught to read maps anymore? we had to learn as part of geography class.


I still teach map & compass skills, but that's to a youth group. Can't say for the public school curriculum.

(and on a side note, map & compass is one of the very few outdoor skills I did NOT learn from scouting - I learned how to do that at 6th grade ecology camp.)

You will never stump Your Loyal TriSec with a geography question...


Comment by wickedpam on 01/25/2013 15:25:24
Quote by Mondobubba:
Quote by wickedpam:
Quote by Mondobubba:
Quote by wickedpam:
how do are you not able to find Farragut West Metro stop? Big color coded map is kinda easy to use



It's not like they announce the stops or anything as well.


well it is hard to hear the garbble message - mostly you hear "Bing Bong" lkajsdlkjfaslf



Well, okay there is that. How about the polls at each station that have the name printed on them?


Those are very useful in know where you are and telling you which side of the track to stand by


Comment by Mondobubba on 01/25/2013 15:26:54
Comment by TriSec on 01/25/2013 15:28:00
CQD - old school distress call, replaced by SOS around 1908 or so.
MGY - Titanic's callsign.

(CQD was still commonly used by British ships - Titanic was among the first to use SOS, and it was codified in international law shortly afterwards.)


Comment by Mondobubba on 01/25/2013 15:43:53
Quote by TriSec:
CQD - old school distress call, replaced by SOS around 1908 or so.
MGY - Titanic's callsign.

(CQD was still commonly used by British ships - Titanic was among the first to use SOS, and it was codified in international law shortly afterwards.)



Woohoo! Blog bonus points for me!

Comment by Mondobubba on 01/25/2013 15:44:23
Quote by TriSec:
CQD - old school distress call, replaced by SOS around 1908 or so.
MGY - Titanic's callsign.

(CQD was still commonly used by British ships - Titanic was among the first to use SOS, and it was codified in international law shortly afterwards.)



Woohoo! Blog bonus points for me!

Comment by Mondobubba on 01/25/2013 15:51:29
Comment by Raine on 01/25/2013 16:12:18
So we are starting to see another storm roll thru...

It's name?

I kid you not! =))

Comment by Scoopster on 01/25/2013 16:24:08


I just discovered that one can write off medical expenses on their tax return.

Comment by Mondobubba on 01/25/2013 16:31:30
Quote by Raine:
So we are starting to see another storm roll thru...

It's name?

I kid you not! =))




And the assorted media types should be saying that way too!

Comment by wickedpam on 01/25/2013 16:34:15
Quote by Mondobubba:
Quote by Raine:
So we are starting to see another storm roll thru...

It's name?

I kid you not! =))




And the assorted media types should be saying that way too!



there's another way to say it? I swear who names these things!


Comment by BobR on 01/25/2013 16:34:27
Quote by Scoopster:


I just discovered that one can write off medical expenses on their tax return.

Yes, but: Unless the rules have changed for this year, they generally need to exceed a certain percentage of your taxable income for the year.

If I recall correctly, that amount was 7.5%. That means if your taxable income was $50K last year, your total medical bills need to be > $3750.00 to be deductible.


Comment by TriSec on 01/25/2013 16:36:38
Quote by BobR:

Yes, but: Unless the rules have changed for this year, they generally need to exceed a certain percentage of your taxable income for the year.

If I recall correctly, that amount was 7.5%. That means if your taxable income was $50K last year, your total medical bills need to be > $3750.00 to be deductible.


Heh, shouldn't be a problem in the TriSec compound. (You all sitting down? Satan's Drool alone was over 16k per dose.)


Comment by Scoopster on 01/25/2013 16:39:53
Quote by BobR:
Quote by Scoopster:


I just discovered that one can write off medical expenses on their tax return.

Yes, but: Unless the rules have changed for this year, they generally need to exceed a certain percentage of your taxable income for the year.

If I recall correctly, that amount was 7.5%. That means if your taxable income was $50K last year, your total medical bills need to be > $3750.00 to be deductible.

My taxable income is about $25.5k, and my deductible alone was a grand (which doesn't include the out of pocket stuff or the CPAP equipment).. so I think I'm close.

Comment by Scoopster on 01/25/2013 16:46:25
Quote by TriSec:
Quote by BobR:

Yes, but: Unless the rules have changed for this year, they generally need to exceed a certain percentage of your taxable income for the year.

If I recall correctly, that amount was 7.5%. That means if your taxable income was $50K last year, your total medical bills need to be > $3750.00 to be deductible.


Heh, shouldn't be a problem in the TriSec compound. (You all sitting down? Satan's Drool alone was over 16k per dose.)

Liquid platinum.. commodities prices.. you do the math!

Comment by Mondobubba on 01/25/2013 17:22:41
Quote by TriSec:
Quote by BobR:

Yes, but: Unless the rules have changed for this year, they generally need to exceed a certain percentage of your taxable income for the year.

If I recall correctly, that amount was 7.5%. That means if your taxable income was $50K last year, your total medical bills need to be > $3750.00 to be deductible.


Heh, shouldn't be a problem in the TriSec compound. (You all sitting down? Satan's Drool alone was over 16k per dose.)


Now is that before the hospital's markup but before the discount that get applied due to insurance?


Comment by TriSec on 01/25/2013 17:27:59
Alright gang...I"m headed out in a few to make the long trek into Cambridge to see my friendly oncologist.

I am expecting a clean bill of health and anti-CIPN medications today, but one never knows.

I do know I'll need a CAT scan at some point, and I still have this port in me (We are Borg), so who knows what the next few weeks will bring?


Comment by Raine on 01/25/2013 17:28:46
~~~sending good vibes for Will's interview today~~~

Comment by Mondobubba on 01/25/2013 17:31:59
Quote by TriSec:
Alright gang...I"m headed out in a few to make the long trek into Cambridge to see my friendly oncologist.

I am expecting a clean bill of health and anti-CIPN medications today, but one never knows.

I do know I'll need a CAT scan at some point, and I still have this port in me (We are Borg), so who knows what the next few weeks will bring?



Have fun storming the castle!

Comment by Scoopster on 01/25/2013 17:47:13
Looks like Rep. Stephen Lynch (D-MA) is gonna run for Kerry's Senate seat..

Comment by livingonli on 01/25/2013 18:03:37
Good day, folks. Al-Jazeera is showing more protests right now in Cairo since I just passed the channel while flipping.

Comment by wickedpam on 01/25/2013 18:30:18
ugh - can't wait till 2014 my insurance just went up at least $35 a pay check

Comment by wickedpam on 01/25/2013 19:17:23
wow, who's the negative nelly on with Ed?

Comment by Raine on 01/25/2013 19:23:24
Quote by Scoopster:
Looks like Rep. Stephen Lynch (D-MA) is gonna run for Kerry's Senate seat..
What's the word on him? I have never really heard of him.

I thought for sure it would be Markey.


Comment by Raine on 01/25/2013 19:29:34
Quote by wickedpam:
wow, who's the negative nelly on with Ed?
I turned him off -- he was just too poopy today.

When Ed needs to be talked down, I outta there.

Comment by Raine on 01/25/2013 19:30:28
Quote by livingonli:
Good day, folks. Al-Jazeera is showing more protests right now in Cairo since I just passed the channel while flipping.
You know we have a pretty big anti choice march happening in DC today.


Comment by Scoopster on 01/25/2013 20:00:01
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Comment by Mondobubba on 01/25/2013 20:01:21
Quote by Scoopster:
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http://i.huffpost.com/gen/956490/original.jpg



I do love the NY Post.

Comment by livingonli on 01/25/2013 20:04:23
I think Nicole is filling in for Randi tonight.