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The Art of Giving Up Power, Part Two
Author: Raine
Date: 09/13/2013 13:47:25
For those that listened to the President's speech Tuesday night there was an interesting nugget. He believes he has the authority to act, but believes that Congress should decide. This is basically a rejection of the Unitary Executive doctrine. You'll recall we had some serious debates about this doctrine during the previous administration. (Read the whole thing... lotsa interesting things in there) Here is the basic theory, from Wikipedia: You remember Bush and his signing statements? He loved them so much he signed over 120 of them. At least one of them was regarding Syria: We know how the previous administration dealt with pursuing their policies. With over a decade (arguable decades -- plural) of war and blowback we are experiencing to this very day affects not only our nation, but the entire world.
Tuesday night, President Obama made it clear that the responsibility to militarily enter into the Syrian crisis should be on the legislative branch of our government. That's a pretty big deal. It's the second time I've seen this President give up some of the power of the Executive office. Last May I wrote that the President called for the end of the AUMF. Powers given to the previous administration should never have been given. This is the beginning of a serious reset regarding how we deal with war and military action in this nation and I believe this is a good thing. The Executive branch is responsible for diplomatic and humanitarian efforts to curb this crisis.
We still have a long way to go and the situation in Syria is still very fluid, but putting the onus back on Congress would be the first time since World War II that a president actually invoked Article 1, Section 8 of the Constitution that grants Congress the sole power “to declare war.” The last time a President asked Congress to go to war was during the Truman administration. That last part is technically true, but we would be remiss to mention that Vietnam is referred to as a conflict, not a war. I think we know better -- it was definitely a war. Having said that, 58,220 U.S. service members died in the conflict. (source)
What we are witnessing here is a slow rollback of what had been labeled in the 1960's as The Imperial Presidency. President Obama said this on Tuesday night:
For a second time in less than a year, He is asking to have his war-making powers to be curtailed. It's confusing a lot of people, but this is what I believe is happening.
It's shocking once you think about it.
and 
Raine
That's my judgment as Commander-in-Chief. But I'm also the President of the world's oldest constitutional democracy. So even though I possess the authority to order military strikes, I believed it was right, in the absence of a direct or imminent threat to our security, to take this debate to Congress. I believe our democracy is stronger when the President acts with the support of Congress. And I believe that America acts more effectively abroad when we stand together.
This is especially true after a decade that put more and more war-making power in the hands of the President, and more and more burdens on the shoulders of our troops, while sidelining the people's representatives from the critical decisions about when we use force.
Statement by the President, November 4, 2002: "The executive branch shall construe section 530D of title 28, and related provisions in section 202 of the Act, in a manner consistent with the constitutional authorities of the President to supervise the unitary executive branch and to withhold information the disclosure of which could impair foreign relations, the national security, the deliberative processes of the Executive, or the performance of the Executive's constitutional duties."
The unitary executive theory is a theory of American constitutional law holding that the President controls the entire executive branch. The doctrine is based upon Article Two of the United States Constitution, which vests "the executive power" of the United States in the President.
Although that general principle is widely accepted, there is disagreement about the strength and scope of the doctrine. It can be said that some favor a "strongly unitary" executive, while others favor a "weakly unitary" executive. The former group argue, for example, that Congress's power to interfere with intra-executive decision-making (such as firing executive branch officials) is limited, and that the President can control policy-making by all executive agencies within the limits set for those agencies by Congress. Still others agree that the Constitution requires a unitary executive, but believe this is a bad thing, and propose its abolition by constitutional amendment.
It is hard to imagine a sharper contrast between Obama's approach on Syria and the one George W. Bush outlined in a signing statement a decade ago, when he signed the Syria Accountability and Lebanese Sovereignty Restoration Act of 2003 on Dec. 12. Bush repeatedly used signing statements as levers to enhance his executive authority, and the Syria Accountability Act provides a vivid illustration of how closely he guarded the right to set U.S. foreign policy on his own terms.
The measure aimed to combat Syria's support for terrorism by imposing sanctions, but Bush made it clear he would pursue whatever policy he saw fit.
Noting that one section requires the president "to take certain actions against Syria unless the President either determines and certifies to the Congress that the Government of Syria has taken specific actions," the statement continues, "A law cannot burden or infringe the President's exercise of a core constitutional power by attaching conditions precedent to the use of that power."
Tuesday night, President Obama made it clear that the responsibility to militarily enter into the Syrian crisis should be on the legislative branch of our government. That's a pretty big deal. It's the second time I've seen this President give up some of the power of the Executive office. Last May I wrote that the President called for the end of the AUMF. Powers given to the previous administration should never have been given. This is the beginning of a serious reset regarding how we deal with war and military action in this nation and I believe this is a good thing. The Executive branch is responsible for diplomatic and humanitarian efforts to curb this crisis.
We still have a long way to go and the situation in Syria is still very fluid, but putting the onus back on Congress would be the first time since World War II that a president actually invoked Article 1, Section 8 of the Constitution that grants Congress the sole power “to declare war.”
To declare War, grant Letters of Marque and Reprisal, and make Rules concerning Captures on Land and Water;
Which brings us back to Truman, who in 1950 balked at asking a Congress weary after World War II for approval to militarily respond to the Communist attack on South Korea. Dean Acheson, Truman’s secretary of state, claimed in his memoirs that a congressional debate over the Korean War “would hardly be calculated to support the shaken morale of the troops or the unity that, for the moment, prevailed at home.”
Acheson may not have remembered that military morale and national unity are not mentioned in the Constitution. But the war-marking powers of Congress are at the heart of the nation’s founding document. It was as if the sign on Truman’s desk read, “The Buck Stops Here — And This Is Also Where the Constitution Is Twisted.”
The plain-spoken Truman resorted to weaselly words to claim that Korea was a United Nations-sponsored “police action” rather than a war. No other American “police action” has ever led to 54,246 wartime deaths.
Use of the term does not appear to have gained currency outside of the limited arena of justification of military action: for example, the U.S. Navy refers to the Korean conflict as the Korean War, and when they refer to police action, they surround the term in quotation marks.
Similarly, a plaque at the Vietnam Veterans Memorial refers to the Vietnam Conflict as a war, not a police action even though it was undeclared.
Use of the term police action is intended to imply either a claim of formal sovereignty or of authority to intervene militarily at a nation's own discretion, typically unilaterally or with a small group of nations. This is often done through the United Nations or by asserting that the military operation is defensive or humanitarian in nature such as the United Nations Stabilisation Mission in Haiti or the Invasion of Grenada.
Veterans often display a high degree of disdain for the term "police action," as it somehow implies that their sacrifices were not legitimate and perhaps also that they are not even veterans of a true "war".
What we are witnessing here is a slow rollback of what had been labeled in the 1960's as The Imperial Presidency. President Obama said this on Tuesday night:
This is especially true after a decade that put more and more war-making power in the hands of the President, and more and more burdens on the shoulders of our troops, while sidelining the people’s representatives from the critical decisions about when we use force.
For a second time in less than a year, He is asking to have his war-making powers to be curtailed. It's confusing a lot of people, but this is what I believe is happening.
It's shocking once you think about it.
and Raine
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Comment by 
BobR on 09/13/2013 13:23:46
BobR on 09/13/2013 13:23:46
I guess it's Friday... 
Comment by 
wickedpam on 09/13/2013 13:28:06
wickedpam on 09/13/2013 13:28:06
Morning 
Comment by 
Raine on 09/13/2013 13:49:31
Raine on 09/13/2013 13:49:31
Stupid dumb mismatched tags -- I finally found it! That sad,
BLOG IS POSTED!
I will delete this awesome stub (thank you Tri) momentarily.
BLOG IS POSTED!
I will delete this awesome stub (thank you Tri) momentarily.
Comment by 
Mondobubba on 09/13/2013 14:00:13
Mondobubba on 09/13/2013 14:00:13
This gives me a happy for this Friday the 13th.
Finnair Flight 666 CPH to HEL.
Finnair Flight 666 CPH to HEL.
Comment by Raine on 09/13/2013 14:03:42
Raine on 09/13/2013 14:03:42
I wanted to invoke the War Powers act of 1973 in this post.
I ran out of time, but this is worth reading as well.
I ran out of time, but this is worth reading as well.
U.S. history provides a broad menu of options for dealing with presidential requests for an authorization of force.
In five conflicts, Congress voted to declare war. That formula hasn't been followed since World War II, however, because lawmakers didn't want to trigger the vast array of domestic laws — giving the president enormous control over the economy and calling into question the validity of contracts and insurance — that come into force when the "W-word" is used.
On 16 other occasions, Congress authorized the use of force but didn't formally declare war. On at least six recent occasions, Congress took votes but never sent laws to the president supporting or opposing major military operations — in Grenada, Panama, Somalia, Haiti, Bosnia and Kosovo.
Comment by 
Scoopster on 09/13/2013 14:27:46
Scoopster on 09/13/2013 14:27:46
Mornin' all... and happy Fridee... 
Kinda frustrated so far today. The constant technology fuckups here, combined with the endless downward spiral of lagging sales & declining website traffic (due mostly to the mystery that is Google burying us in search results) has been really taking a toll on us. Especially in the past month.
I don't know what to do anymore. I told myself I need to learn to rebuild the website myself but that could take years to learn how to do properly, and I know I'd go insane in the process because I've tried doing programming before and I'VE LOATHED IT.
Kinda frustrated so far today. The constant technology fuckups here, combined with the endless downward spiral of lagging sales & declining website traffic (due mostly to the mystery that is Google burying us in search results) has been really taking a toll on us. Especially in the past month.
I don't know what to do anymore. I told myself I need to learn to rebuild the website myself but that could take years to learn how to do properly, and I know I'd go insane in the process because I've tried doing programming before and I'VE LOATHED IT.
Comment by Raine on 09/13/2013 14:29:14
And this also too ... THANKS OBAMA! 
Raine on 09/13/2013 14:29:14
Quote by Raine:
I wanted to invoke the War Powers act of 1973 in this post.
I ran out of time, but this is worth reading as well.U.S. history provides a broad menu of options for dealing with presidential requests for an authorization of force.
In five conflicts, Congress voted to declare war. That formula hasn't been followed since World War II, however, because lawmakers didn't want to trigger the vast array of domestic laws — giving the president enormous control over the economy and calling into question the validity of contracts and insurance — that come into force when the "W-word" is used.
On 16 other occasions, Congress authorized the use of force but didn't formally declare war. On at least six recent occasions, Congress took votes but never sent laws to the president supporting or opposing major military operations — in Grenada, Panama, Somalia, Haiti, Bosnia and Kosovo.
And this also too ...
In 1917, President Woodrow Wilson asked for authority to arm merchant ships to deal with unrestricted submarine warfare by Germany, and a small group of senators successfully filibustered the bill. Three weeks later, the Senate for the first time adopted a rule allowing two-thirds of the members to cut off debate and, soon after, declared war on Germany.
Comment by Raine on 09/13/2013 14:31:21
Does any of this have to do with that website you had a problem with (you mentioned it the other day. )
Raine on 09/13/2013 14:31:21
Quote by Scoopster:
Mornin' all... and happy Fridee...
Kinda frustrated so far today. The constant technology fuckups here, combined with the endless downward spiral of lagging sales & declining website traffic (due mostly to the mystery that is Google burying us in search results) has been really taking a toll on us. Especially in the past month.
I don't know what to do anymore. I told myself I need to learn to rebuild the website myself but that could take years to learn how to do properly, and I know I'd go insane in the process because I've tried doing programming before and I'VE LOATHED IT.
Comment by Scoopster on 09/13/2013 14:37:06
No. We've taken care of that, as well as a few other websites that I found that had copied us.
It's been about a week since I found that one site and we had them take down our content. That same day I did a logged-out Google search for "New England". Our website appeared on the 18th page of results. Today I searched it again and we had dropped another 12 pages. It's gotten worse, not better.
Two years ago, and for many years prior (before we rebuilt the entire website) our website was consistently #1-3 on the first page of that same search.
Scoopster on 09/13/2013 14:37:06
Quote by Raine:Does any of this have to do with that website you had a problem with (you mentioned it the other day. )Quote by Scoopster:
Mornin' all... and happy Fridee...
Kinda frustrated so far today. The constant technology fuckups here, combined with the endless downward spiral of lagging sales & declining website traffic (due mostly to the mystery that is Google burying us in search results) has been really taking a toll on us. Especially in the past month.
I don't know what to do anymore. I told myself I need to learn to rebuild the website myself but that could take years to learn how to do properly, and I know I'd go insane in the process because I've tried doing programming before and I'VE LOATHED IT.
No. We've taken care of that, as well as a few other websites that I found that had copied us.
It's been about a week since I found that one site and we had them take down our content. That same day I did a logged-out Google search for "New England". Our website appeared on the 18th page of results. Today I searched it again and we had dropped another 12 pages. It's gotten worse, not better.
Two years ago, and for many years prior (before we rebuilt the entire website) our website was consistently #1-3 on the first page of that same search.
Comment by Raine on 09/13/2013 14:38:00
Raine on 09/13/2013 14:38:00
One more thing: He used signing statement and Unitary Executive actions to just go around the authorization.
In 2001, Congress rejected the blank-check language to fight terrorism proposed by the Bush administration and limited the authorization of force to only those connected to the 9/11 attacks.
Comment by Raine on 09/13/2013 14:40:13
Raine on 09/13/2013 14:40:13
Neil Diamond Forever ! 
I am assad! 
I am assad!
Comment by Mondobubba on 09/13/2013 14:41:24
We provide and SEO product for small to mid-sized businesses...just sayin...
Mondobubba on 09/13/2013 14:41:24
Quote by Scoopster:Quote by Raine:Does any of this have to do with that website you had a problem with (you mentioned it the other day. )Quote by Scoopster:
Mornin' all... and happy Fridee...
Kinda frustrated so far today. The constant technology fuckups here, combined with the endless downward spiral of lagging sales & declining website traffic (due mostly to the mystery that is Google burying us in search results) has been really taking a toll on us. Especially in the past month.
I don't know what to do anymore. I told myself I need to learn to rebuild the website myself but that could take years to learn how to do properly, and I know I'd go insane in the process because I've tried doing programming before and I'VE LOATHED IT.
No. We've taken care of that, as well as a few other websites that I found that had copied us.
It's been about a week since I found that one site and we had them take down our content. That same day I did a logged-out Google search for "New England". Our website appeared on the 18th page of results. Today I searched it again and we had dropped another 12 pages. It's gotten worse, not better.
Two years ago, and for many years prior (before we rebuilt the entire website) our website was consistently #1-3 on the first page of that same search.
We provide and SEO product for small to mid-sized businesses...just sayin...
Comment by BobR on 09/13/2013 14:49:53
There are ways to "Google bomb" (not sure if that's the correct term) to move yourself up the hit list. There are some companies that will do that for you.
BobR on 09/13/2013 14:49:53
Quote by Scoopster:Quote by Raine:Does any of this have to do with that website you had a problem with (you mentioned it the other day. )Quote by Scoopster:
Mornin' all... and happy Fridee...
Kinda frustrated so far today. The constant technology fuckups here, combined with the endless downward spiral of lagging sales & declining website traffic (due mostly to the mystery that is Google burying us in search results) has been really taking a toll on us. Especially in the past month.
I don't know what to do anymore. I told myself I need to learn to rebuild the website myself but that could take years to learn how to do properly, and I know I'd go insane in the process because I've tried doing programming before and I'VE LOATHED IT.
No. We've taken care of that, as well as a few other websites that I found that had copied us.
It's been about a week since I found that one site and we had them take down our content. That same day I did a logged-out Google search for "New England". Our website appeared on the 18th page of results. Today I searched it again and we had dropped another 12 pages. It's gotten worse, not better.
Two years ago, and for many years prior (before we rebuilt the entire website) our website was consistently #1-3 on the first page of that same search.
There are ways to "Google bomb" (not sure if that's the correct term) to move yourself up the hit list. There are some companies that will do that for you.
Comment by Raine on 09/13/2013 14:59:18
Raine on 09/13/2013 14:59:18
I am astounded a the amount of damage done from the fire In seaside heights New Jersey.
Comment by Mondobubba on 09/13/2013 15:00:05
Like calling 800-338-1771
Mondobubba on 09/13/2013 15:00:05
Quote by BobR:Quote by Scoopster:Quote by Raine:Does any of this have to do with that website you had a problem with (you mentioned it the other day. )Quote by Scoopster:
Mornin' all... and happy Fridee...
Kinda frustrated so far today. The constant technology fuckups here, combined with the endless downward spiral of lagging sales & declining website traffic (due mostly to the mystery that is Google burying us in search results) has been really taking a toll on us. Especially in the past month.
I don't know what to do anymore. I told myself I need to learn to rebuild the website myself but that could take years to learn how to do properly, and I know I'd go insane in the process because I've tried doing programming before and I'VE LOATHED IT.
No. We've taken care of that, as well as a few other websites that I found that had copied us.
It's been about a week since I found that one site and we had them take down our content. That same day I did a logged-out Google search for "New England". Our website appeared on the 18th page of results. Today I searched it again and we had dropped another 12 pages. It's gotten worse, not better.
Two years ago, and for many years prior (before we rebuilt the entire website) our website was consistently #1-3 on the first page of that same search.
There are ways to "Google bomb" (not sure if that's the correct term) to move yourself up the hit list. There are some companies that will do that for you.
Like calling 800-338-1771
Comment by Mondobubba on 09/13/2013 15:11:46
That is was actually written by Russia's American PR firm? Yeah, heard about that yesterdee on the PRI mosheen.
Mondobubba on 09/13/2013 15:11:46
Quote by Raine:
Well, about that Putin Op-Ed.
That is was actually written by Russia's American PR firm? Yeah, heard about that yesterdee on the PRI mosheen.
Comment by Mondobubba on 09/13/2013 15:38:24
Mondobubba on 09/13/2013 15:38:24
Comment by Raine on 09/13/2013 15:39:14
Raine on 09/13/2013 15:39:14
This might be the happiest thing you will see all day. 
Comment by Raine on 09/13/2013 15:40:35
oops... Here you go
And the original from TP.
Sorry about that.
Raine on 09/13/2013 15:40:35
Quote by Mondobubba:Quote by Raine:
I missed this yesterday...
Zimmerman stuff.
Raine, I get the Ketchum article.
And the original from TP.
Sorry about that.
Comment by Scoopster on 09/13/2013 15:44:43
Scoopster on 09/13/2013 15:44:43
Mondo.. someday I'm gonna convince my boss to finally make the jump to you guys.
...and then he'll probably hire you away from them.
...and then he'll probably hire you away from them.
Comment by Mondobubba on 09/13/2013 15:45:22
That could work.
Mondobubba on 09/13/2013 15:45:22
Quote by Scoopster:
Mondo.. someday I'm gonna convince my boss to finally make the jump to you guys.
...and then he'll probably hire you away from them.
That could work.
Comment by Mondobubba on 09/13/2013 15:47:43
Wow. That is some really damning shit.
Mondobubba on 09/13/2013 15:47:43
Quote by Raine:oops... Here you goQuote by Mondobubba:Quote by Raine:
I missed this yesterday...
Zimmerman stuff.
Raine, I get the Ketchum article.
And the original from TP.
Sorry about that.
Wow. That is some really damning shit.
Comment by wickedpam on 09/13/2013 15:54:57
stupid dust...
wickedpam on 09/13/2013 15:54:57
Quote by Raine:
This might be the happiest thing you will see all day.
stupid dust...
Comment by 
livingonli on 09/13/2013 16:42:06
livingonli on 09/13/2013 16:42:06
Good day, folks.
Comment by Raine on 09/13/2013 16:58:53
Raine on 09/13/2013 16:58:53
In Case you missed it. DC MAyor Grey vetoed the living wage Bill for big box retailers.
I appears as though he really really wants people to shop in DC< even tho that can't afford to live here.
DUMBASS.
I appears as though he really really wants people to shop in DC< even tho that can't afford to live here.
DUMBASS.
Comment by wickedpam on 09/13/2013 17:05:15
I still don't understand why there needs to be something like 6 walmarts - DC isn't that big.
Also it would seem the good Mayor was for it before he was against it. There are audio clips of him saying he would support at 10-12 wage now he's against it.
wickedpam on 09/13/2013 17:05:15
Quote by Raine:
In Case you missed it. DC MAyor Grey vetoed the living wage Bill for big box retailers.
I appears as though he really really wants people to shop in DC< even tho that can't afford to live here.
DUMBASS.
I still don't understand why there needs to be something like 6 walmarts - DC isn't that big.
Also it would seem the good Mayor was for it before he was against it. There are audio clips of him saying he would support at 10-12 wage now he's against it.
Comment by Raine on 09/13/2013 17:30:28
His excuse is so lame at this point -- he thinks the bill unfairly targets , WalMart and Target --
Bottom line, the people that need those jobs are the ones that can barely afford to live in the city. and I just don;t see why someone would come into the city for a minimum wage walmart job.
I hope the City council can whip up the 9 votes needed to over ride this.
Raine on 09/13/2013 17:30:28
Quote by wickedpam:Quote by Raine:
In Case you missed it. DC MAyor Grey vetoed the living wage Bill for big box retailers.
I appears as though he really really wants people to shop in DC< even tho that can't afford to live here.
DUMBASS.
I still don't understand why there needs to be something like 6 walmarts - DC isn't that big.
Also it would seem the good Mayor was for it before he was against it. There are audio clips of him saying he would support at 10-12 wage now he's against it.
Bottom line, the people that need those jobs are the ones that can barely afford to live in the city. and I just don;t see why someone would come into the city for a minimum wage walmart job.
I hope the City council can whip up the 9 votes needed to over ride this.
Comment by Raine on 09/13/2013 17:36:36
Raine on 09/13/2013 17:36:36
Comment by 
TriSec on 09/13/2013 17:57:11
TriSec on 09/13/2013 17:57:11
I know football has started and some here have moved on to other things.
The talk on all my baseball podcasts have been about a certain position player for the New York Yankees.
Remember all those years ago, when the discussion was who was the best shortstop in the league, Jeter, A-Rod, or Nomar?
I believe Mr. Jeter has conclusively answered that.
I expect he may come back and give it one last try in spring training next year, but the reality is he may be all done.
See you at the Hall of Fame, good sir.
The talk on all my baseball podcasts have been about a certain position player for the New York Yankees.
Remember all those years ago, when the discussion was who was the best shortstop in the league, Jeter, A-Rod, or Nomar?
I believe Mr. Jeter has conclusively answered that.
I expect he may come back and give it one last try in spring training next year, but the reality is he may be all done.
See you at the Hall of Fame, good sir.
Comment by Scoopster on 09/13/2013 18:00:15
My boss just bought beer for the entire office. It's been a rough week, month, summer...
Oooh an IPA! Never met one I didn't like!
Scoopster on 09/13/2013 18:00:15
My boss just bought beer for the entire office. It's been a rough week, month, summer...
Oooh an IPA! Never met one I didn't like!
Comment by Mondobubba on 09/13/2013 18:04:08
Mala I am not sure why there are in a nine mile radius from where I live three Wal-mart super centers and two Walmart grocery stores. Keep in mind each of the super centers has an entire grocery store in it.
Mondobubba on 09/13/2013 18:04:08
Quote by wickedpam:Quote by Raine:
In Case you missed it. DC MAyor Grey vetoed the living wage Bill for big box retailers.
I appears as though he really really wants people to shop in DC< even tho that can't afford to live here.
DUMBASS.
I still don't understand why there needs to be something like 6 walmarts - DC isn't that big.
Also it would seem the good Mayor was for it before he was against it. There are audio clips of him saying he would support at 10-12 wage now he's against it.
Mala I am not sure why there are in a nine mile radius from where I live three Wal-mart super centers and two Walmart grocery stores. Keep in mind each of the super centers has an entire grocery store in it.
Comment by Raine on 09/13/2013 18:20:08
I your boss. What IPA is it?
Raine on 09/13/2013 18:20:08
Quote by Scoopster:
My boss just bought beer for the entire office. It's been a rough week, month, summer...
Oooh an IPA! Never met one I didn't like!
I
your boss. What IPA is it?
Comment by Raine on 09/13/2013 18:21:53
That was very nice of you, Tri.
Yankee or not -- he is a gentleman in professional sports. I wish there were more like him.
Raine on 09/13/2013 18:21:53
Quote by TriSec:
I know football has started and some here have moved on to other things.
The talk on all my baseball podcasts have been about a certain position player for the New York Yankees.
Remember all those years ago, when the discussion was who was the best shortstop in the league, Jeter, A-Rod, or Nomar?
I believe Mr. Jeter has conclusively answered that.
I expect he may come back and give it one last try in spring training next year, but the reality is he may be all done.
See you at the Hall of Fame, good sir.
Yankee or not -- he is a gentleman in professional sports. I wish there were more like him.
Comment by wickedpam on 09/13/2013 18:21:53
same with Manassas, though they did shut the 3rd one down when they built the Super walmart that's got its only wing on the mall. Now Target left the mall and the mall is dying.
wickedpam on 09/13/2013 18:21:53
Quote by Mondobubba:Quote by wickedpam:Quote by Raine:
In Case you missed it. DC MAyor Grey vetoed the living wage Bill for big box retailers.
I appears as though he really really wants people to shop in DC< even tho that can't afford to live here.
DUMBASS.
I still don't understand why there needs to be something like 6 walmarts - DC isn't that big.
Also it would seem the good Mayor was for it before he was against it. There are audio clips of him saying he would support at 10-12 wage now he's against it.
Mala I am not sure why there are in a nine mile radius from where I live three Wal-mart super centers and two Walmart grocery stores. Keep in mind each of the super centers has an entire grocery store in it.
same with Manassas, though they did shut the 3rd one down when they built the Super walmart that's got its only wing on the mall. Now Target left the mall and the mall is dying.
Comment by Scoopster on 09/13/2013 18:22:47
Harpoon.. He also picked up sixers of Corona and Long Trail Oktoberfest.
Scoopster on 09/13/2013 18:22:47
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My boss just bought beer for the entire office. It's been a rough week, month, summer...
Oooh an IPA! Never met one I didn't like!
I
Harpoon.. He also picked up sixers of Corona and Long Trail Oktoberfest.
Comment by Raine on 09/13/2013 18:25:09
Nice!
Long Trail has a good Oktoberfest.
Raine on 09/13/2013 18:25:09
Quote by Scoopster:Quote by Raine:Quote by Scoopster:
My boss just bought beer for the entire office. It's been a rough week, month, summer...
Oooh an IPA! Never met one I didn't like!
I
Harpoon.. He also picked up sixers of Corona and Long Trail Oktoberfest.
Long Trail has a good Oktoberfest.
Comment by Mondobubba on 09/13/2013 18:29:07
The mall has been dying for over 20 years, but you knew that.
Mondobubba on 09/13/2013 18:29:07
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In Case you missed it. DC MAyor Grey vetoed the living wage Bill for big box retailers.
I appears as though he really really wants people to shop in DC< even tho that can't afford to live here.
DUMBASS.
I still don't understand why there needs to be something like 6 walmarts - DC isn't that big.
Also it would seem the good Mayor was for it before he was against it. There are audio clips of him saying he would support at 10-12 wage now he's against it.
Mala I am not sure why there are in a nine mile radius from where I live three Wal-mart super centers and two Walmart grocery stores. Keep in mind each of the super centers has an entire grocery store in it.
same with Manassas, though they did shut the 3rd one down when they built the Super walmart that's got its only wing on the mall. Now Target left the mall and the mall is dying.
The mall has been dying for over 20 years, but you knew that.
Comment by BobR on 09/13/2013 18:34:04
Your boss has good taste in beer. Just curious how things worked out with those cans of beer you lugged home...
BobR on 09/13/2013 18:34:04
Quote by Scoopster:Quote by Raine:Quote by Scoopster:
My boss just bought beer for the entire office. It's been a rough week, month, summer...
Oooh an IPA! Never met one I didn't like!
I
Harpoon.. He also picked up sixers of Corona and Long Trail Oktoberfest.
Your boss has good taste in beer. Just curious how things worked out with those cans of beer you lugged home...
Comment by wickedpam on 09/13/2013 18:34:26
its particularly dead now. Sear and JCP draw no customers, everyone hates Macy's and the little stores are slowly leaving.
wickedpam on 09/13/2013 18:34:26
Quote by Mondobubba:Quote by wickedpam:Quote by Mondobubba:Quote by wickedpam:Quote by Raine:
In Case you missed it. DC MAyor Grey vetoed the living wage Bill for big box retailers.
I appears as though he really really wants people to shop in DC< even tho that can't afford to live here.
DUMBASS.
I still don't understand why there needs to be something like 6 walmarts - DC isn't that big.
Also it would seem the good Mayor was for it before he was against it. There are audio clips of him saying he would support at 10-12 wage now he's against it.
Mala I am not sure why there are in a nine mile radius from where I live three Wal-mart super centers and two Walmart grocery stores. Keep in mind each of the super centers has an entire grocery store in it.
same with Manassas, though they did shut the 3rd one down when they built the Super walmart that's got its only wing on the mall. Now Target left the mall and the mall is dying.
The mall has been dying for over 20 years, but you knew that.
its particularly dead now. Sear and JCP draw no customers, everyone hates Macy's and the little stores are slowly leaving.
Comment by Raine on 09/13/2013 18:42:16
Raine on 09/13/2013 18:42:16
I have never known Christiane Amanpour to be a hawkish journalist. Having said that, this comes as a surprise for me.
I know, I know -- she was the only woman on the panel -- so clearly her hormones were getting the best of her...
Amanpour said she could "barely contain" her anger at this position.
"How many more times do we have to say that weapons of mass destruction were used?" she said. "And as bad as it is to decapitate somebody, it is by no means equal. We can't use this false moral equivalence about what's going on right now. They tried to do it in the Second World War. They tried to do it in Bosnia. They tried to do it in Rwanda and they're trying to do it now. There is no moral equivalence."
As her panelists tried to interject, Amanpour snapped, "Wait just a second!" Once she had the floor, she continued, "The president of the United States and the most moral country in the world based on the most moral principles in the world, at least that's the fundamental principle that the United States rests on, cannot allow this to go unchecked, cannot allow this to go unchecked...I'm so emotional about this."
I know, I know -- she was the only woman on the panel -- so clearly her hormones were getting the best of her...
Comment by Raine on 09/13/2013 18:47:12
Raine on 09/13/2013 18:47:12
And I MUST admit, my respect for Amanpour has kicked up a notch. I am still unsure about where I stand with regard to intervention in Syria, but she does make a lot of important points.
I just wish she wasn't constantly drowned out by the others on that panel -- many of whom I respect as well.
I just wish she wasn't constantly drowned out by the others on that panel -- many of whom I respect as well.
Comment by TriSec on 09/13/2013 19:23:45
TriSec on 09/13/2013 19:23:45
And now it's time for my favorite afternoon treat, "Horribly burnt bucket of ass-water", or Friday afternoon office coffee.
Comment by BobR on 09/13/2013 19:26:01
BobR on 09/13/2013 19:26:01
Quote by TriSec:
And now it's time for my favorite afternoon treat, "Horribly burnt bucket of ass-water", or Friday afternoon office coffee.
Comment by Scoopster on 09/13/2013 19:29:53
You should come down to our office and have a brewdog!
Scoopster on 09/13/2013 19:29:53
Quote by TriSec:
And now it's time for my favorite afternoon treat, "Horribly burnt bucket of ass-water", or Friday afternoon office coffee.
You should come down to our office and have a brewdog!
Comment by BobR on 09/13/2013 19:31:24
BobR on 09/13/2013 19:31:24
I love my new job and the people and the perks. The firm takes up 8 1/2 floors of the this 9 story building, so only 1/2 of 1 floor is leased out to other companies. As it turns out, that is the floor I am on.
Part of that 1/2 floor is leased to PJMedia,com / NextGeneration.tv
It's the nadir of RW journalism. If you look at those links, you'll see who is prominently featured... I just nearly ran into Allen West in the hall going to/from the restroom.
Part of that 1/2 floor is leased to PJMedia,com / NextGeneration.tv
It's the nadir of RW journalism. If you look at those links, you'll see who is prominently featured... I just nearly ran into Allen West in the hall going to/from the restroom.
Comment by wickedpam on 09/13/2013 19:43:25
do they only let the short people use the 1/2 floor, you know like mini-Queen?
wickedpam on 09/13/2013 19:43:25
Quote by BobR:
I love my new job and the people and the perks. The firm takes up 8 1/2 floors of the this 9 story building, so only 1/2 of 1 floor is leased out to other companies. As it turns out, that is the floor I am on.
Part of that 1/2 floor is leased to PJMedia,com / NextGeneration.tv
It's the nadir of RW journalism. If you look at those links, you'll see who is prominently featured... I just nearly ran into Allen West in the hall going to/from the restroom.
do they only let the short people use the 1/2 floor, you know like mini-Queen?