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Cash for Clunkers
Author: BobR
Date: 2013-09-23 10:37:16
Just over a month ago I wrote a blog about how Germany was starting to shut down fossil-fueled power plants because they were no longer cost-effective, compared to solar and wind. I pointed out all the subsidies and tax breaks that coal and oil get. A new study is showing that we are seeing the same reduction in costs here in the U.S., much sooner than expected:
So yes - the fine print takes the cost of health and environmental damage from burning fossil fuels into account. Does that seem like cheating? I don't think so. When you look at buying a car, you also have to think about the amount you will likely spend on repairs, maintenance, and lost productivity (and annoyance) if it spends a lot of time in the shop. That's known as "total cost of ownership". Cars that are more reliable are worth more because they have a lower Total Cost of Ownership. The same applies here when you consider what it costs for fixing the problems that coal-powered plants create.
This was the same idea behind the cost-controls in the ACA (aka Obamacare) - reduce the Total Cost of Ownership for the healthcare system by reducing the amount of overhead (aka profit) for the healthcare insurance industry.
You may love that old jalopy that burns oil, gets 12 MPG, smells of exhaust when you turn on the heat, and has a passenger door that can only be opened from the inside, but at a certain point, you are just throwing good money after bad. It's time to retire the junkers burning all that dirty coal (that is itself dirty and dangerous to extract), and replace them with clean turbines and solar panels that generate zero emissions. It may be a few more bucks upfront, but it'll be worth it in the long run.
It’s less costly to get electricity from wind turbines and solar panels than coal-fired power plants when climate change costs and other health impacts are factored in, according to a new study published in the Journal of Environmental Studies and Sciences.
In fact—using the official U.S. government estimates of health and environmental costs from burning fossil fuels—the study shows it’s cheaper to replace a typical existing coal-fired power plant with a wind turbine than to keep the old plant running. And new electricity generation from wind could be more economically efficient than natural gas.
The findings show the nation can cut carbon pollution from power plants in a cost-effective way, by replacing coal-fired generation with cleaner options like wind, solar, and natural gas.
“Burning coal is a very costly way to make electricity. There are more efficient and sustainable ways to get power,” said Dr. Laurie Johnson, chief economist in the Climate and Clean Air Program at the Natural Resources Defense Council. “We can reduce health and climate change costs while reducing the dangerous carbon pollution driving global warming.”
So yes - the fine print takes the cost of health and environmental damage from burning fossil fuels into account. Does that seem like cheating? I don't think so. When you look at buying a car, you also have to think about the amount you will likely spend on repairs, maintenance, and lost productivity (and annoyance) if it spends a lot of time in the shop. That's known as "total cost of ownership". Cars that are more reliable are worth more because they have a lower Total Cost of Ownership. The same applies here when you consider what it costs for fixing the problems that coal-powered plants create.
This was the same idea behind the cost-controls in the ACA (aka Obamacare) - reduce the Total Cost of Ownership for the healthcare system by reducing the amount of overhead (aka profit) for the healthcare insurance industry.
You may love that old jalopy that burns oil, gets 12 MPG, smells of exhaust when you turn on the heat, and has a passenger door that can only be opened from the inside, but at a certain point, you are just throwing good money after bad. It's time to retire the junkers burning all that dirty coal (that is itself dirty and dangerous to extract), and replace them with clean turbines and solar panels that generate zero emissions. It may be a few more bucks upfront, but it'll be worth it in the long run.
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Comment by 
Raine on 09/23/2013 12:28:09
Good morning.
It's be nice if we could get political will to get these things done. Speaking of wind and solar and good things happening. Tesla has patented of new battery that runs for 400 miles.
Raine on 09/23/2013 12:28:09
Good morning. It's be nice if we could get political will to get these things done. Speaking of wind and solar and good things happening. Tesla has patented of new battery that runs for 400 miles.
Comment by 
BobR on 09/23/2013 12:35:32
Wow - that's huge. That would make taking it on the road feasible, if you could charge it in the parking lot of the hotel overnight. The main problem with electric cars is the time it takes to charge, but if you can put in a day's driving on one charge, that problem nearly disappears.
BobR on 09/23/2013 12:35:32
Quote by Raine:
It's be nice if we could get political will to get these things done. Speaking of wind and solar and good things happening. Tesla has patented of new battery that runs for 400 miles.
Wow - that's huge. That would make taking it on the road feasible, if you could charge it in the parking lot of the hotel overnight. The main problem with electric cars is the time it takes to charge, but if you can put in a day's driving on one charge, that problem nearly disappears.
Comment by 
TriSec on 09/23/2013 12:49:16
TriSec on 09/23/2013 12:49:16
Morning.
My Subaru gives me 325 miles reliably on 3/4 of a tank of gas. (From my driveway to the Truck Stop at Exit 1 on the NJT.) When an electric car can do that same range (plus reserve), then it becomes viable.
I drive 80 miles round trip every day; if I had a place to recharge here at FCHP, I'd almost certainly do it. (I am slowly starting to consider ditching the ol' Subee for a TDI VW that's pushing 50 mpg.)
My Subaru gives me 325 miles reliably on 3/4 of a tank of gas. (From my driveway to the Truck Stop at Exit 1 on the NJT.) When an electric car can do that same range (plus reserve), then it becomes viable.
I drive 80 miles round trip every day; if I had a place to recharge here at FCHP, I'd almost certainly do it. (I am slowly starting to consider ditching the ol' Subee for a TDI VW that's pushing 50 mpg.)
Comment by TriSec on 09/23/2013 12:52:52
TriSec on 09/23/2013 12:52:52
Oh, yes...and it's time to pay the piper.
Surprisingly enough, I got an email from our old Scoutmaster this weekend that says pretty much "Where are you guys?".
I didn't actually expect to hear from him. There is one gentleman at the Troop that I've known since I started scouting in Waltham (He was Cubmaster when I got to town.) I won't lie to him.
Surprisingly enough, I got an email from our old Scoutmaster this weekend that says pretty much "Where are you guys?".
I didn't actually expect to hear from him. There is one gentleman at the Troop that I've known since I started scouting in Waltham (He was Cubmaster when I got to town.) I won't lie to him.
Comment by 
Mondobubba on 09/23/2013 12:56:01
Tesla is also building out infrastructure for charging stations as well. The 400 mile battery is a huge deal.
Mondobubba on 09/23/2013 12:56:01
Quote by Raine:
It's be nice if we could get political will to get these things done. Speaking of wind and solar and good things happening. Tesla has patented of new battery that runs for 400 miles.
Tesla is also building out infrastructure for charging stations as well. The 400 mile battery is a huge deal.
Comment by 
wickedpam on 09/23/2013 13:13:38
wickedpam on 09/23/2013 13:13:38
Morning 
Oh crap, Tony Basil turned 70!
Oh crap, Tony Basil turned 70!
Comment by Raine on 09/23/2013 13:14:14
I just heard that too!
Raine on 09/23/2013 13:14:14
Quote by wickedpam:
Morning
Oh crap, Tony Basil turned 70!
I just heard that too!
Comment by TriSec on 09/23/2013 13:19:58
*choke* Why that means......I'm old too!
<-- dies.
(Cheer up, Prince is still only 55.
)
TriSec on 09/23/2013 13:19:58
Quote by wickedpam:
Morning
Oh crap, Tony Basil turned 70!
*choke* Why that means......I'm old too!
<-- dies.(Cheer up, Prince is still only 55.
)
Comment by 
trojanrabbit on 09/23/2013 13:52:01
trojanrabbit on 09/23/2013 13:52:01
If I were to have a plug-in car, I could plug in at work, but I sincerely doubt any apartment dweller is going to have the opportunity to plug in at home. I will just be stuck with my 35+ mpg highway.
I seriously thought of having Lucky put down on Saturday. He hadn't eaten much on Friday night at all and was listless on Saturday morning. I figured I would give him his scheduled fluids in the morning and see what happened.
As soon as the flow started, he bolted and ran off. After cleaning up the mess and installing a new needle I got him set up again in a comfortable position. To him, comfortable meant grabbing onto my arm with both paws while growling. After we got the fluids in him, he proceeded to scarf down a bunch of food. Sunday morning, he was proudly sitting beside an empty food bowl with a "FEED ME" look and I fed him more.
We left him locked up in the computer room last night (I know he HATES it, but what else can I do) and noted he ate a bit of the tuna overnight. He got his fluids without a hitch and ate a little. When I tried to lock him in there again after cleaning his litter box he attacked my feet more viciously than I've ever seen him, in addition to hissing and snarling. Told Mrs. Rabbit to be careful and just make sure the other cats aren't stealing his food. 5 minutes later he's asking me for petting. This little bastard has me on an emotional roller-coaster and it wouldn't surprise me that he knows it and is milking it for all it's worth.
I seriously thought of having Lucky put down on Saturday. He hadn't eaten much on Friday night at all and was listless on Saturday morning. I figured I would give him his scheduled fluids in the morning and see what happened.
As soon as the flow started, he bolted and ran off. After cleaning up the mess and installing a new needle I got him set up again in a comfortable position. To him, comfortable meant grabbing onto my arm with both paws while growling. After we got the fluids in him, he proceeded to scarf down a bunch of food. Sunday morning, he was proudly sitting beside an empty food bowl with a "FEED ME" look and I fed him more.
We left him locked up in the computer room last night (I know he HATES it, but what else can I do) and noted he ate a bit of the tuna overnight. He got his fluids without a hitch and ate a little. When I tried to lock him in there again after cleaning his litter box he attacked my feet more viciously than I've ever seen him, in addition to hissing and snarling. Told Mrs. Rabbit to be careful and just make sure the other cats aren't stealing his food. 5 minutes later he's asking me for petting. This little bastard has me on an emotional roller-coaster and it wouldn't surprise me that he knows it and is milking it for all it's worth.
Comment by wickedpam on 09/23/2013 13:55:29
I refuse to be old - in fact I was trying on Halloween wigs in the middle of Target yesterday, much to my mother's embarrassment.
I think I figured something out over the weekend, when I try to act "grown up" I'm f-ing miserable to the point of incapacitated by tears. I'm actually happy and enjoying myself when I'm behaving like a 12 year old
wickedpam on 09/23/2013 13:55:29
Quote by TriSec:Quote by wickedpam:
Morning
Oh crap, Tony Basil turned 70!
*choke* Why that means......I'm old too!
(Cheer up, Prince is still only 55.
I refuse to be old - in fact I was trying on Halloween wigs in the middle of Target yesterday, much to my mother's embarrassment.
I think I figured something out over the weekend, when I try to act "grown up" I'm f-ing miserable to the point of incapacitated by tears. I'm actually happy and enjoying myself when I'm behaving like a 12 year old
Comment by BobR on 09/23/2013 14:02:07
We've been going through something similar with Kizzie. Hang in there...
BobR on 09/23/2013 14:02:07
Quote by trojanrabbit:
If I were to have a plug-in car, I could plug in at work, but I sincerely doubt any apartment dweller is going to have the opportunity to plug in at home. I will just be stuck with my 35+ mpg highway.
I seriously thought of having Lucky put down on Saturday. He hadn't eaten much on Friday night at all and was listless on Saturday morning. I figured I would give him his scheduled fluids in the morning and see what happened.
As soon as the flow started, he bolted and ran off. After cleaning up the mess and installing a new needle I got him set up again in a comfortable position. To him, comfortable meant grabbing onto my arm with both paws while growling. After we got the fluids in him, he proceeded to scarf down a bunch of food. Sunday morning, he was proudly sitting beside an empty food bowl with a "FEED ME" look and I fed him more.
We left him locked up in the computer room last night (I know he HATES it, but what else can I do) and noted he ate a bit of the tuna overnight. He got his fluids without a hitch and ate a little. When I tried to lock him in there again after cleaning his litter box he attacked my feet more viciously than I've ever seen him, in addition to hissing and snarling. Told Mrs. Rabbit to be careful and just make sure the other cats aren't stealing his food. 5 minutes later he's asking me for petting. This little bastard has me on an emotional roller-coaster and it wouldn't surprise me that he knows it and is milking it for all it's worth.
We've been going through something similar with Kizzie. Hang in there...
Comment by wickedpam on 09/23/2013 14:14:08
hugs for both Lucky and Kizzie!!!
wickedpam on 09/23/2013 14:14:08
Quote by BobR:Quote by trojanrabbit:
If I were to have a plug-in car, I could plug in at work, but I sincerely doubt any apartment dweller is going to have the opportunity to plug in at home. I will just be stuck with my 35+ mpg highway.
I seriously thought of having Lucky put down on Saturday. He hadn't eaten much on Friday night at all and was listless on Saturday morning. I figured I would give him his scheduled fluids in the morning and see what happened.
As soon as the flow started, he bolted and ran off. After cleaning up the mess and installing a new needle I got him set up again in a comfortable position. To him, comfortable meant grabbing onto my arm with both paws while growling. After we got the fluids in him, he proceeded to scarf down a bunch of food. Sunday morning, he was proudly sitting beside an empty food bowl with a "FEED ME" look and I fed him more.
We left him locked up in the computer room last night (I know he HATES it, but what else can I do) and noted he ate a bit of the tuna overnight. He got his fluids without a hitch and ate a little. When I tried to lock him in there again after cleaning his litter box he attacked my feet more viciously than I've ever seen him, in addition to hissing and snarling. Told Mrs. Rabbit to be careful and just make sure the other cats aren't stealing his food. 5 minutes later he's asking me for petting. This little bastard has me on an emotional roller-coaster and it wouldn't surprise me that he knows it and is milking it for all it's worth.
We've been going through something similar with Kizzie. Hang in there...
hugs for both Lucky and Kizzie!!!
Comment by Mondobubba on 09/23/2013 14:19:07
Tony Basil was no kid when she recorded "Micky."
Mondobubba on 09/23/2013 14:19:07
Quote by wickedpam:
Morning
Oh crap, Tony Basil turned 70!
Tony Basil was no kid when she recorded "Micky."
Comment by Raine on 09/23/2013 14:20:31
She was when she was a dancer on the TAMI show... 
Raine on 09/23/2013 14:20:31
Quote by Mondobubba:Quote by wickedpam:
Morning
Oh crap, Tony Basil turned 70!
Tony Basil was no kid when she recorded "Micky."
Comment by BobR on 09/23/2013 14:21:09
She was a choreographer and dancer for The TAMI Show. Teri Garr was one of the dancers too.
BobR on 09/23/2013 14:21:09
Quote by Mondobubba:Quote by wickedpam:
Morning
Oh crap, Tony Basil turned 70!
Tony Basil was no kid when she recorded "Micky."
She was a choreographer and dancer for The TAMI Show. Teri Garr was one of the dancers too.
Comment by wickedpam on 09/23/2013 14:21:12
wickedpam on 09/23/2013 14:21:12
as for clunkers - you're killin' me, I don't know if I can give up the want of owning a muscle car from the 60's (NOT a Mustang or Camero - frigin' overrated)
Comment by BobR on 09/23/2013 14:22:09
Mustangs are NOT over-rated. :smug:
BobR on 09/23/2013 14:22:09
Quote by wickedpam:
as for clunkers - you're killin' me, I don't know if I can give up the want of owning a muscle car from the 60's (NOT a Mustang or Camero - frigin' overrated)
Mustangs are NOT over-rated. :smug:
Comment by TriSec on 09/23/2013 14:26:34
Best fighter of WWII, dammit!!!
Oh, wait, you meant the OTHER Mustang.
TriSec on 09/23/2013 14:26:34
Quote by BobR:
Mustangs are NOT over-rated. :smug:
Best fighter of WWII, dammit!!!
Oh, wait, you meant the OTHER Mustang.
Comment by wickedpam on 09/23/2013 14:27:28
they are totally over rated
So much rather have a Charger, Impala, Baracuda, Chevelle, and so on instead.
1968 Dodge Charger - so much more badass
wickedpam on 09/23/2013 14:27:28
Quote by BobR:Quote by wickedpam:
as for clunkers - you're killin' me, I don't know if I can give up the want of owning a muscle car from the 60's (NOT a Mustang or Camero - frigin' overrated)
Mustangs are NOT over-rated. :smug:
they are totally over rated
So much rather have a Charger, Impala, Baracuda, Chevelle, and so on instead.
1968 Dodge Charger - so much more badass
Comment by Mondobubba on 09/23/2013 14:37:07
Hell yeah, Mala. Mopar! Totally bad ass!
Mondobubba on 09/23/2013 14:37:07
Quote by wickedpam:Quote by BobR:Quote by wickedpam:
as for clunkers - you're killin' me, I don't know if I can give up the want of owning a muscle car from the 60's (NOT a Mustang or Camero - frigin' overrated)
Mustangs are NOT over-rated. :smug:
they are totally over rated
So much rather have a Charger, Impala, Baracuda, Chevelle, and so on instead.
1968 Dodge Charger - so much more badass
Hell yeah, Mala. Mopar! Totally bad ass!
Comment by Raine on 09/23/2013 14:38:22
Raine on 09/23/2013 14:38:22
here we go....
Car Wars... (que the imperial death march)
Car Wars... (que the imperial death march)
Comment by BobR on 09/23/2013 14:41:02
BobR on 09/23/2013 14:41:02
This is more my style:
Comment by TriSec on 09/23/2013 14:41:23
TriSec on 09/23/2013 14:41:23
Did I mention that MY Mustang has a supercharged, V-12 engine of over 1600 cubic inches displacement?
It's a bear on gas, though.
It's a bear on gas, though.
Comment by 
Scoopster on 09/23/2013 14:42:51
Scoopster on 09/23/2013 14:42:51
Mornin' all & happy Mondee.. 
Psh..
Psh..
Comment by wickedpam on 09/23/2013 14:44:45
Nice, but didn't James Dean lose his head in this kind of car or something?
wickedpam on 09/23/2013 14:44:45
Quote by BobR:
This is more my style:
Nice, but didn't James Dean lose his head in this kind of car or something?
Comment by wickedpam on 09/23/2013 14:45:38
wickedpam on 09/23/2013 14:45:38
Quote by Raine:
here we go....
Car Wars... (que the imperial death march)
Comment by Mondobubba on 09/23/2013 14:55:00
A tasteful bit of nerdism. Well done!
Mondobubba on 09/23/2013 14:55:00
Quote by Raine:
here we go....
Car Wars... (que the imperial death march)
A tasteful bit of nerdism. Well done!
Comment by Will in Chicago on 09/23/2013 15:01:38
Will in Chicago on 09/23/2013 15:01:38
Good morning, bloggers!
BobR, I look forward to the U.S. and other nations transitioning away from fossil fuels to renewable energy sources. When I do land a full time job, I plan to replace my clunker (1998 LeSabre that I had to buy used when my old car had the transmission die.)
Best wishes to Lucky and Kissie.
Now for some news from the Chicago Tribune:
BobR, I look forward to the U.S. and other nations transitioning away from fossil fuels to renewable energy sources. When I do land a full time job, I plan to replace my clunker (1998 LeSabre that I had to buy used when my old car had the transmission die.)
Best wishes to Lucky and Kissie.
Now for some news from the Chicago Tribune:
2 held in Cornell Square Park shooting of 13
By Rosemary Regina Sobol Tribune reporter
8:52 a.m. CDT, September 23, 2013
Two men are in custody in connection with last week's shooting in a South Side park that left 13 people injured, including a 3-year-old boy, authorities said.
The men, both 22, were arrested around 7:30 p.m. Sunday in an abandoned building in the 5200 block of South Marshfield Avenue, police said. No charges have been filed.
One of the men has been identified as the shooter in Thursday's attack in Cornell Square Park and the other as "one of the individuals who participated in the shooting," according to a police report.
Police were processing the two men early this morning and planned to bring them to Area Central police headquarters.
Comment by Will in Chicago on 09/23/2013 15:05:06
Will in Chicago on 09/23/2013 15:05:06
Bonus story from WGN-TV for TriSec, especially:
Small plane makes emergency landing on Lake Shore Drive.
Small plane makes emergency landing on Lake Shore Drive.
Comment by TriSec on 09/23/2013 15:11:36
Headline: "Plane makes emergency landing on LSD"
This would generally be considered a bad idea.
TriSec on 09/23/2013 15:11:36
Quote by Will in Chicago:
Bonus story from WGN-TV for TriSec, especially:
Small plane makes emergency landing on Lake Shore Drive.
Headline: "Plane makes emergency landing on LSD"
This would generally be considered a bad idea.
Comment by Will in Chicago on 09/23/2013 15:12:28
Will in Chicago on 09/23/2013 15:12:28
My preferred form of travel:
Comment by Raine on 09/23/2013 15:12:58
Raine on 09/23/2013 15:12:58
Comment by Will in Chicago on 09/23/2013 15:13:33
Particularly if it was for the Pixar movie "Planes". "Mom, Dad? Why is the plane flying like that and what is this weird music?"
Will in Chicago on 09/23/2013 15:13:33
Quote by TriSec:Quote by Will in Chicago:
Bonus story from WGN-TV for TriSec, especially:
Small plane makes emergency landing on Lake Shore Drive.
Headline: "Plane makes emergency landing on LSD"
This would generally be considered a bad idea.
Particularly if it was for the Pixar movie "Planes". "Mom, Dad? Why is the plane flying like that and what is this weird music?"
Comment by trojanrabbit on 09/23/2013 15:18:02
trojanrabbit on 09/23/2013 15:18:02
Sending some good vibes your way for Kizzie, Bob & Raine.
According to Mrs. Rabbit, she got some new cat food and he had some, now he's sleeping (his natural state).
According to Mrs. Rabbit, she got some new cat food and he had some, now he's sleeping (his natural state).
Comment by wickedpam on 09/23/2013 15:21:46
That's on my list of Alternative Vehicles
wickedpam on 09/23/2013 15:21:46
Quote by Will in Chicago:
My preferred form of travel:
That's on my list of Alternative Vehicles
Comment by wickedpam on 09/23/2013 15:23:00
to be honest, I didn't know they were still making those things
wickedpam on 09/23/2013 15:23:00
Quote by Raine:
Speaking of cars, this is kinda sad... It's the end of the line for the VW bus.
to be honest, I didn't know they were still making those things
Comment by TriSec on 09/23/2013 15:24:57
Papa TriSec drove one of these for years - as a "large instrument musician", this was one of the few vehicles a Contrabass would fit in back in the day.
There is a photo of me coming home, in my mother's arms, when I was about 3 days old...in front of the orange and cream bus Pops had at the time.
TriSec on 09/23/2013 15:24:57
Quote by Raine:
Speaking of cars, this is kinda sad... It's the end of the line for the VW bus.
Papa TriSec drove one of these for years - as a "large instrument musician", this was one of the few vehicles a Contrabass would fit in back in the day.
There is a photo of me coming home, in my mother's arms, when I was about 3 days old...in front of the orange and cream bus Pops had at the time.
Comment by Mondobubba on 09/23/2013 15:25:30
May I remind you of what happened to Lane on Mad Men with his XKE.
Mondobubba on 09/23/2013 15:25:30
Quote by Scoopster:
Mornin' all & happy Mondee..
Psh..
May I remind you of what happened to Lane on Mad Men with his XKE.
Comment by Mondobubba on 09/23/2013 15:27:34
Mondobubba on 09/23/2013 15:27:34
Comment by Mondobubba on 09/23/2013 15:31:20
This week's New Yorker cover.
Mondobubba on 09/23/2013 15:31:20
Comment by Raine on 09/23/2013 15:34:20
That is awesome~
Raine on 09/23/2013 15:34:20
Quote by Mondobubba:This week's New Yorker cover.
Comment by Scoopster on 09/23/2013 15:53:37
Scoopster on 09/23/2013 15:53:37
Oh goodness. since we're on the subject of cars..
Richard Sarafian, movie & tv director known for classic car film "Vanishing Point", has died at 83.
Richard Sarafian, movie & tv director known for classic car film "Vanishing Point", has died at 83.
Comment by Raine on 09/23/2013 15:54:02
Raine on 09/23/2013 15:54:02
Comment by Mondobubba on 09/23/2013 15:55:52
Mondobubba on 09/23/2013 15:55:52
Comment by wickedpam on 09/23/2013 15:56:08
EEEEEEEWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
wickedpam on 09/23/2013 15:56:08
Quote by Raine:
OMG -- This is sad and a little gross. I totally concur with the GIF...
EEEEEEEWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Comment by Scoopster on 09/23/2013 16:00:39
Scoopster on 09/23/2013 16:00:39
Just scrolled thru some red carpet pics from the Emmys..
Christine Baranski is just so.....
and what in the HELL was Lena Dunham thinking?
Christine Baranski is just so.....
and what in the HELL was Lena Dunham thinking?
Comment by Raine on 09/23/2013 16:04:02
HOly moly.
that looks like a slightly more vibrant version of the wallpaper my great grandmother had in her house from the 30's.
Raine on 09/23/2013 16:04:02
Quote by Scoopster:
Just scrolled thru some red carpet pics from the Emmys..
Christine Baranski is just so.....
and what in the HELL was Lena Dunham thinking?
that looks like a slightly more vibrant version of the wallpaper my great grandmother had in her house from the 30's.
Comment by Raine on 09/23/2013 16:11:57
Raine on 09/23/2013 16:11:57
You all know how I feel about Pizza -
So NO DCist, just NO. Stop trying to redefine pizza. You start out the premise with an inferiority complex -- so you and I both know that your best pizza is still sadly overshadowed by REAL PIZZA towns.
Now that said rant is over... here you go.
So NO DCist, just NO. Stop trying to redefine pizza. You start out the premise with an inferiority complex -- so you and I both know that your best pizza is still sadly overshadowed by REAL PIZZA towns.
Now that said rant is over... here you go.
Haters be damned, D.C. is a town full of great pizza. Perhaps our options for grab-and-go slices and delivery pizzas aren't the best, but who wants to eat that anyways when the city has an abundance of speciality pies, especially of the Neapolitan variety? Here are ten of the best pizzas in D.C., according to DCist eaters.
Comment by Scoopster on 09/23/2013 16:14:28
NEW HAVEN STYLE APIZZA.. Yeah that's right.. Frank Pepe would be so proud.
Scoopster on 09/23/2013 16:14:28
Quote by Raine:
You all know how I feel about Pizza -
So NO DCist, just NO. Stop trying to redefine pizza. You start out the premise with an inferiority complex -- so you and I both know that your best pizza is still sadly overshadowed by REAL PIZZA towns.
Now that said rant is over... here you go.Haters be damned, D.C. is a town full of great pizza. Perhaps our options for grab-and-go slices and delivery pizzas aren't the best, but who wants to eat that anyways when the city has an abundance of speciality pies, especially of the Neapolitan variety? Here are ten of the best pizzas in D.C., according to DCist eaters.
NEW HAVEN STYLE APIZZA.. Yeah that's right.. Frank Pepe would be so proud.
Comment by Scoopster on 09/23/2013 16:17:12
Scoopster on 09/23/2013 16:17:12
And wtf @ "Who wants eggplant on a pizza?"
Clearly he's never had it done right - white pie with fresh sliced tomato, eggplant, garlic and pesto.
Clearly he's never had it done right - white pie with fresh sliced tomato, eggplant, garlic and pesto.
Comment by TriSec on 09/23/2013 16:17:46
TriSec on 09/23/2013 16:17:46
Dear pizza people:
Dough.
Tomato sauce.
Cheese.
Why is this so hard?
Dough.
Tomato sauce.
Cheese.
Why is this so hard?
Comment by Raine on 09/23/2013 16:18:38
You think it's worth trying?
EVERY "NY Style" Pizza here sucks -- The few places that actually sell slices might as well say they are selling triangular pies. They are huge, and meh.
Raine on 09/23/2013 16:18:38
Quote by Scoopster:Quote by Raine:
You all know how I feel about Pizza -
So NO DCist, just NO. Stop trying to redefine pizza. You start out the premise with an inferiority complex -- so you and I both know that your best pizza is still sadly overshadowed by REAL PIZZA towns.
Now that said rant is over... here you go.Haters be damned, D.C. is a town full of great pizza. Perhaps our options for grab-and-go slices and delivery pizzas aren't the best, but who wants to eat that anyways when the city has an abundance of speciality pies, especially of the Neapolitan variety? Here are ten of the best pizzas in D.C., according to DCist eaters.
NEW HAVEN STYLE APIZZA.. Yeah that's right.. Frank Pepe would be so proud.
EVERY "NY Style" Pizza here sucks -- The few places that actually sell slices might as well say they are selling triangular pies. They are huge, and meh.
Comment by Scoopster on 09/23/2013 16:19:53
Scoopster on 09/23/2013 16:19:53
Oh that's awesome.. the New Haven guy named his secondary eatery "Edge of the Woods".
That's both a shout-out to the upscale Edgewood section of town (where Lieberman lives), and the indie natural grocer of the same name. I spent many a day in that store growing up!
That's both a shout-out to the upscale Edgewood section of town (where Lieberman lives), and the indie natural grocer of the same name. I spent many a day in that store growing up!
Comment by 
livingonli on 09/23/2013 16:20:43
livingonli on 09/23/2013 16:20:43
Good day, folks. Finally, after a long weekend at work and everything else these last few months, a long overdue vacation. BTW, Toni Basil was also one of the New Orleans hookers in Easy Rider.
As for pizza. I still feel that the reason pizza chains so heavily push the ones with lots of toppings is to conceal the fact that the pizza tastes like crap.
As for pizza. I still feel that the reason pizza chains so heavily push the ones with lots of toppings is to conceal the fact that the pizza tastes like crap.
Comment by Raine on 09/23/2013 16:21:05
Because of things like this:
Raine on 09/23/2013 16:21:05
Quote by TriSec:
Dear pizza people:
Dough.
Tomato sauce.
Cheese.
Why is this so hard?
This Neapolitan-style pie gets it richness, not from gobs of melty cheese, but from a soft, runny egg nestled in a bed of tomatoes and garlic. It also gets a particularly wonderful hit of umami from a dusting of its namesake ingredient.
Comment by Raine on 09/23/2013 16:22:20
OK, Scoop -- next time you are here -- we are going to give it a try. Make sure you carve out some time.
Raine on 09/23/2013 16:22:20
Quote by Scoopster:
Oh that's awesome.. the New Haven guy named his secondary eatery "Edge of the Woods".
That's both a shout-out to the upscale Edgewood section of town (where Lieberman lives), and the indie natural grocer of the same name. I spent many a day in that store growing up!
Comment by Raine on 09/23/2013 16:23:54
You know, Bob can conform this. The first time I try a new pizza place, I get plain.
If that works, I'll get it with toppings that I like.
Raine on 09/23/2013 16:23:54
Quote by livingonli:
Good day, folks. Finally, after a long weekend at work and everything else these last few months, a long overdue vacation. BTW, Toni Basil was also one of the New Orleans hookers in Easy Rider.
As for pizza. I still feel that the reason pizza chains so heavily push the ones with lots of toppings is to conceal the fact that the pizza tastes like crap.
If that works, I'll get it with toppings that I like.
Comment by Scoopster on 09/23/2013 16:24:08
I'd say give 'em a night out. It sounds to me like the owner(s) or chef(s) spent some time working at one (or more) of the known spots in New Haven. I'd personally be interested to know which!
Scoopster on 09/23/2013 16:24:08
Quote by Raine:You think it's worth trying?Quote by Scoopster:Quote by Raine:
You all know how I feel about Pizza -
So NO DCist, just NO. Stop trying to redefine pizza. You start out the premise with an inferiority complex -- so you and I both know that your best pizza is still sadly overshadowed by REAL PIZZA towns.
Now that said rant is over... here you go.Haters be damned, D.C. is a town full of great pizza. Perhaps our options for grab-and-go slices and delivery pizzas aren't the best, but who wants to eat that anyways when the city has an abundance of speciality pies, especially of the Neapolitan variety? Here are ten of the best pizzas in D.C., according to DCist eaters.
NEW HAVEN STYLE APIZZA.. Yeah that's right.. Frank Pepe would be so proud.
EVERY "NY Style" Pizza here sucks -- The few places that actually sell slices might as well say they are selling triangular pies. They are huge, and meh.
I'd say give 'em a night out. It sounds to me like the owner(s) or chef(s) spent some time working at one (or more) of the known spots in New Haven. I'd personally be interested to know which!
Comment by TriSec on 09/23/2013 16:46:10
"Nestling something soft and runny in a bed"....yeah, that's what I'm thinking here. There won't be wonderful umami, though.
TriSec on 09/23/2013 16:46:10
This Neapolitan-style pie gets it richness, not from gobs of melty cheese, but from a soft, runny egg nestled in a bed of tomatoes and garlic. It also gets a particularly wonderful hit of umami from a dusting of its namesake ingredient.
"Nestling something soft and runny in a bed"....yeah, that's what I'm thinking here. There won't be wonderful umami, though.
Comment by Mondobubba on 09/23/2013 16:53:30
Mondobubba on 09/23/2013 16:53:30
Scoop, I don't think Walter White will ever be a poster boy for Vermont seclusion.
Comment by BobR on 09/23/2013 16:58:19
BobR on 09/23/2013 16:58:19
and then there are these two nearly consecutive lines in the article:
"Confession: I will eat any pizza put in front of me. It doesn't matter if it's a frozen pie from the oven, or a greasy cardboard mess from a national chain, I will consume it"
" I have never been too adventurous with my pizza eating. If a pie had more than two toppings, it was unlikely that I'd go for it."
ummm - okay, so which is it?
"Confession: I will eat any pizza put in front of me. It doesn't matter if it's a frozen pie from the oven, or a greasy cardboard mess from a national chain, I will consume it"
" I have never been too adventurous with my pizza eating. If a pie had more than two toppings, it was unlikely that I'd go for it."
ummm - okay, so which is it?
Comment by Raine on 09/23/2013 17:01:28
From the comments:
This is NO LONGER pizza.
Raine on 09/23/2013 17:01:28
Quote by TriSec:
This Neapolitan-style pie gets it richness, not from gobs of melty cheese, but from a soft, runny egg nestled in a bed of tomatoes and garlic. It also gets a particularly wonderful hit of umami from a dusting of its namesake ingredient.
"Nestling something soft and runny in a bed"....yeah, that's what I'm thinking here. There won't be wonderful umami, though.
Pupatella's are better than all of these. My favorites are the fig and pig. Or the one with fresh tomatoes, pine nuts, and burrata.
This is NO LONGER pizza.
Comment by Raine on 09/23/2013 17:02:28
Different people wrote the reviews.
Just one more reason why DC can't get it shit together to make good pie.
Raine on 09/23/2013 17:02:28
Quote by BobR:
and then there are these two nearly consecutive lines in the article:
"Confession: I will eat any pizza put in front of me. It doesn't matter if it's a frozen pie from the oven, or a greasy cardboard mess from a national chain, I will consume it"
" I have never been too adventurous with my pizza eating. If a pie had more than two toppings, it was unlikely that I'd go for it."
ummm - okay, so which is it?
Just one more reason why DC can't get it shit together to make good pie.
Comment by Scoopster on 09/23/2013 17:02:30
How the heck does one have those kind of attitudes and become a food critic? You're not only supposed to be extremely adventurous, but also turn your nose up snootily at mass-produced garbage!
Scoopster on 09/23/2013 17:02:30
Quote by BobR:
and then there are these two nearly consecutive lines in the article:
"Confession: I will eat any pizza put in front of me. It doesn't matter if it's a frozen pie from the oven, or a greasy cardboard mess from a national chain, I will consume it"
" I have never been too adventurous with my pizza eating. If a pie had more than two toppings, it was unlikely that I'd go for it."
ummm - okay, so which is it?
How the heck does one have those kind of attitudes and become a food critic? You're not only supposed to be extremely adventurous, but also turn your nose up snootily at mass-produced garbage!
Comment by Scoopster on 09/23/2013 17:03:59
Scoopster on 09/23/2013 17:03:59
Oh hmm.. didn't pick up on the multiple authors thing. That explains quite a bit!
Comment by BobR on 09/23/2013 17:04:38
No wonder it reads like a schizophrenic on a carb-binging jag...
BobR on 09/23/2013 17:04:38
Quote by Raine:Different people wrote the reviews.Quote by BobR:
and then there are these two nearly consecutive lines in the article:
"Confession: I will eat any pizza put in front of me. It doesn't matter if it's a frozen pie from the oven, or a greasy cardboard mess from a national chain, I will consume it"
" I have never been too adventurous with my pizza eating. If a pie had more than two toppings, it was unlikely that I'd go for it."
ummm - okay, so which is it?
Just one more reason why DC can't get it shit together to make good pie.
No wonder it reads like a schizophrenic on a carb-binging jag...
Comment by Raine on 09/23/2013 17:06:24
Raine on 09/23/2013 17:06:24
Quote by BobR:Quote by Raine:Different people wrote the reviews.Quote by BobR:
and then there are these two nearly consecutive lines in the article:
"Confession: I will eat any pizza put in front of me. It doesn't matter if it's a frozen pie from the oven, or a greasy cardboard mess from a national chain, I will consume it"
" I have never been too adventurous with my pizza eating. If a pie had more than two toppings, it was unlikely that I'd go for it."
ummm - okay, so which is it?
Just one more reason why DC can't get it shit together to make good pie.
No wonder it reads like a schizophrenic on a carb-binging jag...
Comment by Mondobubba on 09/23/2013 17:44:02
That is one of these gourmet things that is at least notionally "pizza" in the broadest sense of the term. Real pizza however is not this.
Surprisingly Jacksonville has better pizza than Washington, DC. No, seriously.
Mondobubba on 09/23/2013 17:44:02
Quote by Raine:From the comments:Quote by TriSec:
This Neapolitan-style pie gets it richness, not from gobs of melty cheese, but from a soft, runny egg nestled in a bed of tomatoes and garlic. It also gets a particularly wonderful hit of umami from a dusting of its namesake ingredient.
"Nestling something soft and runny in a bed"....yeah, that's what I'm thinking here. There won't be wonderful umami, though.Pupatella's are better than all of these. My favorites are the fig and pig. Or the one with fresh tomatoes, pine nuts, and burrata.
This is NO LONGER pizza.
That is one of these gourmet things that is at least notionally "pizza" in the broadest sense of the term. Real pizza however is not this.
Surprisingly Jacksonville has better pizza than Washington, DC. No, seriously.
Comment by Mondobubba on 09/23/2013 17:49:49
Mondobubba on 09/23/2013 17:49:49
This whole pizza discussion hearkens back to dreaded "Doughnut Wars." Krispee Kreme vs Dunkin Donuts vs any number of local doughnut shops (viz Kane's and Montgomery Doughnuts) vs Tim Hortons. The horror! Good times!
I will defer to the Lady from Alexandria by way of New York.
I will defer to the Lady from Alexandria by way of New York.
Comment by livingonli on 09/23/2013 17:53:41
Well, I could never be a food critic but even I have my standards for pizza.
livingonli on 09/23/2013 17:53:41
Quote by Raine:Quote by BobR:Quote by Raine:Different people wrote the reviews.Quote by BobR:
and then there are these two nearly consecutive lines in the article:
"Confession: I will eat any pizza put in front of me. It doesn't matter if it's a frozen pie from the oven, or a greasy cardboard mess from a national chain, I will consume it"
" I have never been too adventurous with my pizza eating. If a pie had more than two toppings, it was unlikely that I'd go for it."
ummm - okay, so which is it?
Just one more reason why DC can't get it shit together to make good pie.
No wonder it reads like a schizophrenic on a carb-binging jag...
Well, I could never be a food critic but even I have my standards for pizza.
Comment by TriSec on 09/23/2013 18:02:09
Now, now. I've not said one thing about the superiority of Pizzaria Regina in the North End. (Not the mall crap - I mean the *real* one on Thacher street.)
I'm not di Napoli myself, but I do have some "mainland" in me. Pizza is Italy's gift to the culinary world - this is a matter of national pride.
Someday we shall have to have the "Great Donut Exchange". Day-old Kane's are vastly superior to most all else. (note the diplomatic "most".)
<-- honey dips
TriSec on 09/23/2013 18:02:09
Quote by Mondobubba:
This whole pizza discussion hearkens back to dreaded "Doughnut Wars." Krispee Kreme vs Dunkin Donuts vs any number of local doughnut shops (viz Kane's and Montgomery Doughnuts) vs Tim Hortons. The horror! Good times!
I will defer to the Lady from Alexandria by way of New York.
Now, now. I've not said one thing about the superiority of Pizzaria Regina in the North End. (Not the mall crap - I mean the *real* one on Thacher street.)
I'm not di Napoli myself, but I do have some "mainland" in me. Pizza is Italy's gift to the culinary world - this is a matter of national pride.
Someday we shall have to have the "Great Donut Exchange". Day-old Kane's are vastly superior to most all else. (note the diplomatic "most".)
<-- honey dips
Comment by Scoopster on 09/23/2013 18:03:50
Oh I wouldn't say that.. While pizza has developed an archetypical composition over the centuries, its historical roots are much less rigid. Italy's a crossroads for trade and all kinds of cultures, as are most of the Mediterranean nations. They had access to all kinds of great ingredients to experiment with.
Scoopster on 09/23/2013 18:03:50
Quote by Raine:From the comments:Quote by TriSec:
This Neapolitan-style pie gets it richness, not from gobs of melty cheese, but from a soft, runny egg nestled in a bed of tomatoes and garlic. It also gets a particularly wonderful hit of umami from a dusting of its namesake ingredient.
"Nestling something soft and runny in a bed"....yeah, that's what I'm thinking here. There won't be wonderful umami, though.Pupatella's are better than all of these. My favorites are the fig and pig. Or the one with fresh tomatoes, pine nuts, and burrata.
This is NO LONGER pizza.
Oh I wouldn't say that.. While pizza has developed an archetypical composition over the centuries, its historical roots are much less rigid. Italy's a crossroads for trade and all kinds of cultures, as are most of the Mediterranean nations. They had access to all kinds of great ingredients to experiment with.
Comment by Mondobubba on 09/23/2013 18:12:50
I agree with Raine, that isn't pizza. See my post below.
Mondobubba on 09/23/2013 18:12:50
Quote by Scoopster:Quote by Raine:From the comments:Quote by TriSec:
This Neapolitan-style pie gets it richness, not from gobs of melty cheese, but from a soft, runny egg nestled in a bed of tomatoes and garlic. It also gets a particularly wonderful hit of umami from a dusting of its namesake ingredient.
"Nestling something soft and runny in a bed"....yeah, that's what I'm thinking here. There won't be wonderful umami, though.Pupatella's are better than all of these. My favorites are the fig and pig. Or the one with fresh tomatoes, pine nuts, and burrata.
This is NO LONGER pizza.
Oh I wouldn't say that.. While pizza has developed an archetypical composition over the centuries, its historical roots are much less rigid. Italy's a crossroads for trade and all kinds of cultures, as are most of the Mediterranean nations. They had access to all kinds of great ingredients to experiment with.
I agree with Raine, that isn't pizza. See my post below.
Comment by wickedpam on 09/23/2013 18:13:04
wickedpam on 09/23/2013 18:13:04
Pizza wars, huh? I got no dog in that race - I'm actually fine with Pizza Hut, then again I have the palate of a 4 year old to go with my 12 year old behaviour
Comment by Mondobubba on 09/23/2013 18:24:41
We still love you no matter what, Mala 
Mondobubba on 09/23/2013 18:24:41
Quote by wickedpam:
Pizza wars, huh? I got no dog in that race - I'm actually fine with Pizza Hut, then again I have the palate of a 4 year old to go with my 12 year old behaviour
We still love you no matter what, Mala
Comment by TriSec on 09/23/2013 18:34:01
TriSec on 09/23/2013 18:34:01
Quote by wickedpam:
Pizza wars, huh? I got no dog in that race - I'm actually fine with Pizza Hut, then again I have the palate of a 4 year old to go with my 12 year old behaviour
Comment by livingonli on 09/23/2013 18:36:56
Pizza hut is the best of the chains if you can find one where you can sit down and eat rather than the inside of a Target or Taco Hut where that stuff just sits around. Nothing redeeming with Domino's or Papa John's thought (and that was before I learned of Papa John's disgusting right-wing politics but there was the old Domino's founders fanatic anti-choice views and embrace of far-right Catholicism).
livingonli on 09/23/2013 18:36:56
Quote by wickedpam:
Pizza wars, huh? I got no dog in that race - I'm actually fine with Pizza Hut, then again I have the palate of a 4 year old to go with my 12 year old behaviour
Pizza hut is the best of the chains if you can find one where you can sit down and eat rather than the inside of a Target or Taco Hut where that stuff just sits around. Nothing redeeming with Domino's or Papa John's thought (and that was before I learned of Papa John's disgusting right-wing politics but there was the old Domino's founders fanatic anti-choice views and embrace of far-right Catholicism).
Comment by wickedpam on 09/23/2013 18:38:34
ya ya, isn't the first time, won't be the last
wickedpam on 09/23/2013 18:38:34
Quote by TriSec:Quote by wickedpam:
Pizza wars, huh? I got no dog in that race - I'm actually fine with Pizza Hut, then again I have the palate of a 4 year old to go with my 12 year old behaviour
ya ya, isn't the first time, won't be the last
Comment by wickedpam on 09/23/2013 18:39:17
good to know
wickedpam on 09/23/2013 18:39:17
Quote by Mondobubba:Quote by wickedpam:
Pizza wars, huh? I got no dog in that race - I'm actually fine with Pizza Hut, then again I have the palate of a 4 year old to go with my 12 year old behaviour
good to know
Comment by wickedpam on 09/23/2013 18:42:10
pretty much what I thought, esp since mommer's refuses to try anything that could have something that actually resembles a cooked diced tomato, she prefers her tomatoes obliterated. No I have been known to get a slice of Tony's New York prior to her moving in.
wickedpam on 09/23/2013 18:42:10
Quote by livingonli:Quote by wickedpam:
Pizza wars, huh? I got no dog in that race - I'm actually fine with Pizza Hut, then again I have the palate of a 4 year old to go with my 12 year old behaviour
Pizza hut is the best of the chains if you can find one where you can sit down and eat rather than the inside of a Target or Taco Hut where that stuff just sits around. Nothing redeeming with Domino's or Papa John's thought (and that was before I learned of Papa John's disgusting right-wing politics but there was the old Domino's founders fanatic anti-choice views and embrace of far-right Catholicism).
pretty much what I thought, esp since mommer's refuses to try anything that could have something that actually resembles a cooked diced tomato, she prefers her tomatoes obliterated. No I have been known to get a slice of Tony's New York prior to her moving in.
Comment by Scoopster on 09/23/2013 18:45:47
Scoopster on 09/23/2013 18:45:47
I tried Pizza Hut once..
My stomach tried to guillotine me.
My stomach tried to guillotine me.
Comment by BobR on 09/23/2013 18:45:51
Surprisingly, Atlanta has better pizza than DC.
BobR on 09/23/2013 18:45:51
Quote by Mondobubba:Quote by Raine:From the comments:Quote by TriSec:
This Neapolitan-style pie gets it richness, not from gobs of melty cheese, but from a soft, runny egg nestled in a bed of tomatoes and garlic. It also gets a particularly wonderful hit of umami from a dusting of its namesake ingredient.
"Nestling something soft and runny in a bed"....yeah, that's what I'm thinking here. There won't be wonderful umami, though.Pupatella's are better than all of these. My favorites are the fig and pig. Or the one with fresh tomatoes, pine nuts, and burrata.
This is NO LONGER pizza.
That is one of these gourmet things that is at least notionally "pizza" in the broadest sense of the term. Real pizza however is not this.
Surprisingly Jacksonville has better pizza than Washington, DC. No, seriously.
Surprisingly, Atlanta has better pizza than DC.
Comment by TriSec on 09/23/2013 18:47:36
TriSec on 09/23/2013 18:47:36
I'm sensing a business opportunity here.
"Moonbat Pizza". Yeah, we friggin' deliver as fast as that other right-wing shop.
Plus, we love the ACA, and our pizza doesn't suck.
You can have anything you want on it, just as long as it's cheese and tomato.
"Moonbat Pizza". Yeah, we friggin' deliver as fast as that other right-wing shop.
Plus, we love the ACA, and our pizza doesn't suck.
You can have anything you want on it, just as long as it's cheese and tomato.
Comment by TriSec on 09/23/2013 18:59:25
TriSec on 09/23/2013 18:59:25
TriSec's pizza place.
Across the street from the firehouse - so they're generally pretty good.
One of this group needs to hit the lottery so we can self-fund a "Pizza and Donut Tour" of all of our cherished locations.
Across the street from the firehouse - so they're generally pretty good.
One of this group needs to hit the lottery so we can self-fund a "Pizza and Donut Tour" of all of our cherished locations.
Comment by Raine on 09/23/2013 19:11:43
I must disagree, at a certain point it becomes ingredients on dough.
They can be delicious, but it is not pizza.
DC Does have a lot of pizza, Much of it not good. the sauce is often too complicated, the dough too thin... I haven't even delved into Chicago style around here.
Baked Potato Pizza -- I'll put that on borderline. (altho it's akin to a burger with donuts as a bun with a fried egg... looking at you lutherburger!
NOT PIZZA:
Raine on 09/23/2013 19:11:43
Quote by Scoopster:Quote by Raine:From the comments:Quote by TriSec:
This Neapolitan-style pie gets it richness, not from gobs of melty cheese, but from a soft, runny egg nestled in a bed of tomatoes and garlic. It also gets a particularly wonderful hit of umami from a dusting of its namesake ingredient.
"Nestling something soft and runny in a bed"....yeah, that's what I'm thinking here. There won't be wonderful umami, though.Pupatella's are better than all of these. My favorites are the fig and pig. Or the one with fresh tomatoes, pine nuts, and burrata.
This is NO LONGER pizza.
Oh I wouldn't say that.. While pizza has developed an archetypical composition over the centuries, its historical roots are much less rigid. Italy's a crossroads for trade and all kinds of cultures, as are most of the Mediterranean nations. They had access to all kinds of great ingredients to experiment with.
They can be delicious, but it is not pizza.
DC Does have a lot of pizza, Much of it not good. the sauce is often too complicated, the dough too thin... I haven't even delved into Chicago style around here.
Baked Potato Pizza -- I'll put that on borderline. (altho it's akin to a burger with donuts as a bun with a fried egg... looking at you lutherburger!
NOT PIZZA:
Comment by TriSec on 09/23/2013 19:13:22
TriSec on 09/23/2013 19:13:22
OK gang, easy question. Say you're submitting multiple electronic files from point A to point B. 6 files reject as fast as you submit them.
Do you:
A) Maybe stop and see if you can figure out what's wrong
B) Screw it! Let's send in a dozen more!
Do you:
A) Maybe stop and see if you can figure out what's wrong
B) Screw it! Let's send in a dozen more!
Comment by Scoopster on 09/23/2013 19:16:36
Scoopster on 09/23/2013 19:16:36
UGH what in the hell @ that pic. I will never understand how anyone could eat something like that..
Comment by Raine on 09/23/2013 19:25:21
Raine on 09/23/2013 19:25:21
When we leave the DelMarvVa region for points north -- I want a good slice of Pizza.
Comment by Mondobubba on 09/23/2013 19:49:10
What your can't see is the slick coating cheese grease coating the steering wheel and gas pedal.
Mondobubba on 09/23/2013 19:49:10
Comment by Mondobubba on 09/23/2013 19:50:14
C: Call and demand to know why my files are going through.
Mondobubba on 09/23/2013 19:50:14
Quote by TriSec:
OK gang, easy question. Say you're submitting multiple electronic files from point A to point B. 6 files reject as fast as you submit them.
Do you:
A) Maybe stop and see if you can figure out what's wrong
B) Screw it! Let's send in a dozen more!
C: Call and demand to know why my files are going through.
Comment by livingonli on 09/23/2013 19:52:48
livingonli on 09/23/2013 19:52:48
That potato pizza just looks nasty. I wonder if Atlanta having good pizza might have something to do with the New York or northern transplants living down there.
Comment by BobR on 09/23/2013 19:53:54
That may be dependent on what kind of error message you're getting
BobR on 09/23/2013 19:53:54
Quote by Mondobubba:Quote by TriSec:
OK gang, easy question. Say you're submitting multiple electronic files from point A to point B. 6 files reject as fast as you submit them.
Do you:
A) Maybe stop and see if you can figure out what's wrong
B) Screw it! Let's send in a dozen more!
C: Call and demand to know why my files are going through.
That may be dependent on what kind of error message you're getting
Comment by Mondobubba on 09/23/2013 20:18:35
Where does the good pizza belt start? Philly-ish?
Mondobubba on 09/23/2013 20:18:35
Quote by Raine:
When we leave the DelMarvVa region for points north -- I want a good slice of Pizza.
Where does the good pizza belt start? Philly-ish?