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The Heat is On
Author: BobR
Date: 2013-10-10 10:57:40
I didn't want to write about the government shutdown again. Not only is it getting repetitive, but if I'm still writing about it, that means it's still shut down, and that's bad for everyone. I certainly hope that by the time I cycle around to my next blog post, my friends and countrymen who are employed by the government are back at work, where they all want to be.
It's not just the worker bees that are feeling the heat of the shutdown. On the plus side, the Republicans are feeling the heat too. It seems obvious, but polls show that Americans blame the GOP for this mess:
Five percent - that is amazing. Rep. Grayson (D-FL) got shut down in the House for pointing out that dog poop is more popular. Even the Republicans' benefactors the Koch brothers are washing their hands of the shutdown. Perhaps they realize that it (and a possible debt limit default) will hit them financially possibly very hard.Yet Speaker Boehner still refuses to allow a vote on a "clean" bill, even though there appear to be enough votes for it to go through.
The problem is that the House Republicans holding everything hostage either don't know or don't care about the consequences. There's a meme floating around the internet that President Obama voted against a debt limit increase in 2006 when he was a senator. What's left off that is he later acknowledged that it was a mistake to do so, and his position then was made out of ignorance.
There is plenty of ignorance going around in these House Republicans. The King of the Deniers in his fool's cap would have to be Louie Gohmert (R-TX), who has a history of stupidity. According to him, the government can't default on loans if it's shut down. I can't even figure out how he came to that thought... If a person is laid off, that doesn't mean they won't miss a credit card payment. It's absurd.
So on the one hand, they are feeling the heat, but on the other hand they are too stupid to know what it means. How burned are they going to have to get before they take their hand off the stove?
It's not just the worker bees that are feeling the heat of the shutdown. On the plus side, the Republicans are feeling the heat too. It seems obvious, but polls show that Americans blame the GOP for this mess:
Overall, 62 percent mainly blamed Republicans for the shutdown. About half said Obama or the Democrats in Congress bear much responsibility.
Asked if she blamed Obama, House Republicans, Senate Democrats or the tea party for the shutdown, Martha Blair, 71, of Kerrville, Texas, said, yes, you bet. All of them.
[..]
Most Americans disapprove of the way Obama is handling his job, the poll suggests, with 53 percent unhappy with his performance and 37 percent approving of it. Congress is scraping rock bottom, with a ghastly approval rating of 5 percent.
Five percent - that is amazing. Rep. Grayson (D-FL) got shut down in the House for pointing out that dog poop is more popular. Even the Republicans' benefactors the Koch brothers are washing their hands of the shutdown. Perhaps they realize that it (and a possible debt limit default) will hit them financially possibly very hard.Yet Speaker Boehner still refuses to allow a vote on a "clean" bill, even though there appear to be enough votes for it to go through.
The problem is that the House Republicans holding everything hostage either don't know or don't care about the consequences. There's a meme floating around the internet that President Obama voted against a debt limit increase in 2006 when he was a senator. What's left off that is he later acknowledged that it was a mistake to do so, and his position then was made out of ignorance.
There is plenty of ignorance going around in these House Republicans. The King of the Deniers in his fool's cap would have to be Louie Gohmert (R-TX), who has a history of stupidity. According to him, the government can't default on loans if it's shut down. I can't even figure out how he came to that thought... If a person is laid off, that doesn't mean they won't miss a credit card payment. It's absurd.
So on the one hand, they are feeling the heat, but on the other hand they are too stupid to know what it means. How burned are they going to have to get before they take their hand off the stove?
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Comment by 
Mondobubba on 10/10/2013 12:10:49
Mondobubba on 10/10/2013 12:10:49
Meh.
Comment by 
Raine on 10/10/2013 12:43:35
Good Morning.
Raine on 10/10/2013 12:43:35
Good Morning.
Comment by 
wickedpam on 10/10/2013 12:47:28
wickedpam on 10/10/2013 12:47:28
Morning 
Comment by Raine on 10/10/2013 13:02:41
Raine on 10/10/2013 13:02:41
Is anyone else experiencing the comments loading from oldest on top to newest on bottom? Started happening to me last night. I don't know if it's my computer or something else.
Comment by Raine on 10/10/2013 13:08:57
Raine on 10/10/2013 13:08:57
(and
Comment by 
velveeta jones on 10/10/2013 13:12:32
velveeta jones on 10/10/2013 13:12:32
morning. Quick "hello" before I head out towards a busy weekend!
But there is this tidbit. Isn't this nice? Some frat in GA has given instructions on how to lure women into ..... I was gonna say "sex" but let's call it what it really is: rape.
But there is this tidbit. Isn't this nice? Some frat in GA has given instructions on how to lure women into ..... I was gonna say "sex" but let's call it what it really is: rape.
Comment by wickedpam on 10/10/2013 13:23:28
mine only does that when I'm not logged in. Other then that, all seems to be okay right now.
wickedpam on 10/10/2013 13:23:28
Quote by Raine:
Is anyone else experiencing the comments loading from oldest on top to newest on bottom? Started happening to me last night. I don't know if it's my computer or something else.
mine only does that when I'm not logged in. Other then that, all seems to be okay right now.
Comment by Raine on 10/10/2013 13:24:45
It seems intermittent for me.
Raine on 10/10/2013 13:24:45
Quote by wickedpam:Quote by Raine:
Is anyone else experiencing the comments loading from oldest on top to newest on bottom? Started happening to me last night. I don't know if it's my computer or something else.
mine only does that when I'm not logged in. Other then that, all seems to be okay right now.
Comment by 
BobR on 10/10/2013 13:28:48
Unless you choose to change the order, that should only happen when you are not logged in
BobR on 10/10/2013 13:28:48
Quote by Raine:It seems intermittent for me.Quote by wickedpam:Quote by Raine:
Is anyone else experiencing the comments loading from oldest on top to newest on bottom? Started happening to me last night. I don't know if it's my computer or something else.
mine only does that when I'm not logged in. Other then that, all seems to be okay right now.
Unless you choose to change the order, that should only happen when you are not logged in
Comment by Raine on 10/10/2013 13:45:05
I was logged in.
It was strange. Seems ok now.
Raine on 10/10/2013 13:45:05
Quote by BobR:Quote by Raine:It seems intermittent for me.Quote by wickedpam:Quote by Raine:
Is anyone else experiencing the comments loading from oldest on top to newest on bottom? Started happening to me last night. I don't know if it's my computer or something else.
mine only does that when I'm not logged in. Other then that, all seems to be okay right now.
Unless you choose to change the order, that should only happen when you are not logged in
It was strange. Seems ok now.
Comment by Raine on 10/10/2013 13:50:31
Raine on 10/10/2013 13:50:31
One more reason I 
Joe Biden: 
Joe Biden: she really learned that lesson when she first got the job as legislative director in Biden's office in 2011, when the vice president gave her a stern warning about ways she could get fired.
First, the veep warned not to share anything she wasn't supposed to with anyone. Ever. And then he told Williams something that has stuck with her to this day.
"Don't ever think that you're so essential to what we're doing that you can't and shouldn't take care of the things that are important to you," he said. "If I ever find out that you are here doing work when you are supposed to be with your family, I'll fire you."
Comment by 
TriSec on 10/10/2013 13:50:43
TriSec on 10/10/2013 13:50:43
Comment by Raine on 10/10/2013 14:00:24
Raine on 10/10/2013 14:00:24
Comment by 
Scoopster on 10/10/2013 14:12:39
Scoopster on 10/10/2013 14:12:39
Morning all.. 
Anyone know what today's House GOP demand of the day is?
Maybe these kids would know...
Anyone know what today's House GOP demand of the day is?Maybe these kids would know...
Comment by Raine on 10/10/2013 14:22:32
That was about the most random thing I've ever seen you post.
and...
it was poifect!
Raine on 10/10/2013 14:22:32
Quote by Scoopster:
Morning all..
Maybe these kids would know...
That was about the most random thing I've ever seen you post.
and...
it was poifect!
Comment by Raine on 10/10/2013 14:26:07
Raine on 10/10/2013 14:26:07
Meanwhile, in Boner's home state....
Ohio Gov. John Kasich ® is considering accepting Obamacare's Medicaid expansion in his state via executive order, his office confirmed to TPM, after the state legislature stymied his efforts earlier this year.
The possibility was first reported by the Columbus Dispatch. “We continue to explore all our options and just want to get this done," Kasich spokesman Robert Nichols told TPM in an email Wednesday.
Comment by Raine on 10/10/2013 14:32:43
Raine on 10/10/2013 14:32:43
Looks like we are going to get a short term debt ceiling deal.
Ahhh, crisis politics is so much fun, isn't it?
Ahhh, crisis politics is so much fun, isn't it?
Comment by Scoopster on 10/10/2013 14:37:31
Scoopster on 10/10/2013 14:37:31
Comment by wickedpam on 10/10/2013 14:37:56
and how long before we're back in the same boat?
wickedpam on 10/10/2013 14:37:56
Quote by Raine:
Looks like we are going to get a short term debt ceiling deal.
Ahhh, crisis politics is so much fun, isn't it?
and how long before we're back in the same boat?
Comment by wickedpam on 10/10/2013 14:39:03
I thought Stephen King was Emperor of Maine.
wickedpam on 10/10/2013 14:39:03
Quote by Scoopster:
What the hell? Maine 's gov just declared himself emperor of his state..
I thought Stephen King was Emperor of Maine.
Comment by TriSec on 10/10/2013 14:45:04
TriSec on 10/10/2013 14:45:04
TriSec is still simmering.
Comment by Raine on 10/10/2013 14:45:34
Disaster politics.
At a certain point, we need to start calling this an attempted coup.
Raine on 10/10/2013 14:45:34
Quote by Scoopster:
What the hell? Maine 's gov just declared himself emperor of his state..
At a certain point, we need to start calling this an attempted coup.
Comment by TriSec on 10/10/2013 14:46:08
Idiot. Tool. Jerkface.
So, he just "overthrew" the Maine Constitution? Then the fucking president should call out the fucking national guard and invade the damn place. We would if Canada did this, wouldn't we?
TriSec on 10/10/2013 14:46:08
Quote by Scoopster:
What the hell? Maine 's gov just declared himself emperor of his state..
Idiot. Tool. Jerkface.
So, he just "overthrew" the Maine Constitution? Then the fucking president should call out the fucking national guard and invade the damn place. We would if Canada did this, wouldn't we?
Comment by Raine on 10/10/2013 14:51:58
They want POTUS to do this -- so they can impeach him. I'm really starting to believe this.
Raine on 10/10/2013 14:51:58
Quote by TriSec:Quote by Scoopster:
What the hell? Maine 's gov just declared himself emperor of his state..
Idiot. Tool. Jerkface.
So, he just "overthrew" the Maine Constitution? Then the fucking president should call out the fucking national guard and invade the damn place. We would if Canada did this, wouldn't we?
Comment by Scoopster on 10/10/2013 14:55:03
Scoopster on 10/10/2013 14:55:03
Comment by Raine on 10/10/2013 14:57:38
Oh man....
Raine on 10/10/2013 14:57:38
Quote by Scoopster:
Comment by TriSec on 10/10/2013 15:03:36
I should like to see them try. Boehner is the most flaccid, ineffective Speaker quite possibly in the history of the Union. They suck at everything else they touch, so I'd have no confidence that they could organize and do this, either.
TriSec on 10/10/2013 15:03:36
Quote by Raine:
They want POTUS to do this -- so they can impeach him. I'm really starting to believe this.
I should like to see them try. Boehner is the most flaccid, ineffective Speaker quite possibly in the history of the Union. They suck at everything else they touch, so I'd have no confidence that they could organize and do this, either.
Comment by Raine on 10/10/2013 15:08:27
Raine on 10/10/2013 15:08:27
and now for something completely different.
Comment by Raine on 10/10/2013 15:09:06
You know, you make a good point. They probably can't.
Raine on 10/10/2013 15:09:06
Quote by TriSec:I should like to see them try. Boehner is the most flaccid, ineffective Speaker quite possibly in the history of the Union. They suck at everything else they touch, so I'd have no confidence that they could organize and do this, either.
Comment by Raine on 10/10/2013 15:17:28
6 weeks, if it happens at all.
Raine on 10/10/2013 15:17:28
Quote by wickedpam:Quote by Raine:
Looks like we are going to get a short term debt ceiling deal.
Ahhh, crisis politics is so much fun, isn't it?
and how long before we're back in the same boat?
Comment by wickedpam on 10/10/2013 15:23:39
No. I am 1000000000000% done with them trying to take away things we all work for and pay into. I swear to God they really just want us to work until we die at our desks.
wickedpam on 10/10/2013 15:23:39
Quote by Raine:6 weeks, if it happens at all.Quote by wickedpam:Quote by Raine:
Looks like we are going to get a short term debt ceiling deal.
Ahhh, crisis politics is so much fun, isn't it?
and how long before we're back in the same boat?
...allow for talks on a broader fiscal package that could enact changes to entitlement programs...
No. I am 1000000000000% done with them trying to take away things we all work for and pay into. I swear to God they really just want us to work until we die at our desks.
Comment by Raine on 10/10/2013 15:29:38
Raine on 10/10/2013 15:29:38
Phuck you Eric Cantor you stupid phuckface.
Comment by Raine on 10/10/2013 15:40:03
Raine on 10/10/2013 15:40:03
@sahilkapur 4m
One source says the R debt limit hike may have a 'please negotiate with us' component but should be mostly clean.
Comment by wickedpam on 10/10/2013 15:40:59
wickedpam on 10/10/2013 15:40:59
Comment by Raine on 10/10/2013 15:46:20
Raine on 10/10/2013 15:46:20
Comment by Scoopster on 10/10/2013 15:54:59
Scoopster on 10/10/2013 15:54:59
Six weeks.. and no end to the shutdown.
It's nothing. They gave up nothing.
Nothing but more time for these idiots to keep thousands of people, many of them union members, out of work. And many of those doing 'essential' work won't get paid.
Nothing but keep regulations from being enforced. Jeopardizing the safety of our food, our drinking water, our air, our planet. Allowing the rich and greedy corporations to get away with whatever they want, rather than just a little. Letting paperwork for business loans, licenses, quotas pile up and collect dust while entire industries sit idle.
Nothing but keeping people from receiving assistance that they need. To be able to afford food, medical care, a roof over their heads..
This is Grover Norquists 'drown it in a bathtub' moment.
It's nothing. They gave up nothing.
Nothing but more time for these idiots to keep thousands of people, many of them union members, out of work. And many of those doing 'essential' work won't get paid.
Nothing but keep regulations from being enforced. Jeopardizing the safety of our food, our drinking water, our air, our planet. Allowing the rich and greedy corporations to get away with whatever they want, rather than just a little. Letting paperwork for business loans, licenses, quotas pile up and collect dust while entire industries sit idle.
Nothing but keeping people from receiving assistance that they need. To be able to afford food, medical care, a roof over their heads..
This is Grover Norquists 'drown it in a bathtub' moment.
Comment by Will in Chicago on 10/10/2013 15:56:53
They are in the position of seeing their own creation turn against them.
BobR, I enjoyed the blog and have to wonder about the future of our political parties and our government.
Will in Chicago on 10/10/2013 15:56:53
They are in the position of seeing their own creation turn against them.
BobR, I enjoyed the blog and have to wonder about the future of our political parties and our government.
Comment by Will in Chicago on 10/10/2013 15:57:53
Will in Chicago on 10/10/2013 15:57:53
In some good news, I have an interview this afternoon for holiday work.
Raine, I left some supportive comments on yesterday's blog. I hope that things are better today.
Raine, I left some supportive comments on yesterday's blog. I hope that things are better today.
Comment by Scoopster on 10/10/2013 15:58:14
Scoopster on 10/10/2013 15:58:14
Oh I almost forgot.. they didn't give up the debt ceiling hostage yet either.
They just gave it a cot to sleep on, next to Norquist's bathtub, so we can all watch the horror of the country being murdered.
They just gave it a cot to sleep on, next to Norquist's bathtub, so we can all watch the horror of the country being murdered.
Comment by Raine on 10/10/2013 16:02:28
It's really depressing. And it's criminal.
Raine on 10/10/2013 16:02:28
Quote by Scoopster:
Oh I almost forgot.. they didn't give up the debt ceiling hostage yet either.
They just gave it a cot to sleep on, next to Norquist's bathtub, so we can all watch the horror of the country being murdered.
Comment by Raine on 10/10/2013 16:03:10
I saw them. Thank you Will.
And good luck withthe interview!
Raine on 10/10/2013 16:03:10
Quote by Will in Chicago:
In some good news, I have an interview this afternoon for holiday work.
Raine, I left some supportive comments on yesterday's blog. I hope that things are better today.
And good luck withthe interview!
Comment by Scoopster on 10/10/2013 16:08:21
Scoopster on 10/10/2013 16:08:21
Just saw this on Facebook..
Link to HuffPo Article
Due to the government shutdown, the Special Supplemental Nutrition Program for Women, also known as WIC, will discontinue issuing benefits starting at the close of business on Tuesday.
Link to HuffPo Article
Comment by Scoopster on 10/10/2013 16:18:36
Yep.. that's the GOP right 'bout now.
Scoopster on 10/10/2013 16:18:36
Yep.. that's the GOP right 'bout now.
Comment by TriSec on 10/10/2013 16:19:22
Food, rent assistance, heating assistance, the list goes on...
TriSec on 10/10/2013 16:19:22
Quote by Scoopster:
Just saw this on Facebook..
Link to HuffPo Article
Food, rent assistance, heating assistance, the list goes on...
Comment by Raine on 10/10/2013 16:21:39
Raine on 10/10/2013 16:21:39
Comment by Raine on 10/10/2013 16:23:53
Raine on 10/10/2013 16:23:53
White House Rejects GOP Idea To Keep Government Closed Through November
Moments after House Republican leaders floated their latest plan for resolving the budget mess on Capitol Hill -- raise the debt ceiling for six weeks but leave the government shutdown in the meantime -- the White House was already shooting it down.
From a White House official:The President has made clear that he will not pay a ransom for Congress doing its job and paying our bills. It is better for economic certainty for Congress to take the threat of default off the table for as long as possible, which is why we support the Senate Democrats’ efforts to raise the debt limit for a year with no extraneous political strings attached. The President also believes that the Republican Leadership in the House should allow for an up or down vote on the clean continuing resolution passed by the Senate that would pass with a bipartisan majority to reopen the government. Once Republicans in Congress act to remove the threat of default and end this harmful government shutdown, the President will be willing to negotiate on a broader budget agreement to create jobs, grow the economy, and put our fiscal house in order. While we are willing to look at any proposal Congress puts forward to end these manufactured crises, we will not allow a faction of the Republicans in the House to hold the economy hostage to its extraneous and extreme political demands. Congress needs to pass a clean debt limit increase and a funding bill to reopen the government.
Comment by Raine on 10/10/2013 16:24:28
Raine on 10/10/2013 16:24:28
WTF Ed. --- A little screachy dawg.