The United States is operating "floating prisons" to house those arrested in its war on terror, according to human rights lawyers, who claim there has been an attempt to conceal the numbers and whereabouts of detainees.
Details of ships where detainees have been held and sites allegedly being used in countries across the world have been compiled as the debate over detention without trial intensifies on both sides of the Atlantic. The US government was yesterday urged to list the names and whereabouts of all those detained.
Information about the operation of prison ships has emerged through a number of sources, including statements from the US military, the Council of Europe and related parliamentary bodies, and the testimonies of prisoners.
The analysis, due to be published this year by the human rights organisation Reprieve, also claims there have been more than 200 new cases of rendition since 2006, when President George Bush declared that the practice had stopped.
[...]
According to research carried out by Reprieve, the US may have used as many as 17 ships as "floating prisons" since 2001. Detainees are interrogated aboard the vessels and then rendered to other, often undisclosed, locations, it is claimed.
In 2002, the International Criminal Court (ICC) was established in The Hague (Netherlands) and the Rome Statute provides for the ICC to have jurisdiction over genocide, crimes against humanity and war crimes. The definition of what is a "crime against humanity" for ICC proceedings has significantly broadened from its original legal definition or that used by the UN,[1] and Article 7 of the treaty stated that:
For the purpose of this Statute, "crime against humanity" means any of the following acts when committed as part of a widespread or systematic attack directed against any civilian population, with knowledge of the attack:Murder;
.
Extermination;
Enslavement;
Deportation or forcible transfer of population;
Imprisonment or other severe deprivation of physical liberty in violation of fundamental rules of international law;
Torture;
Rape, sexual slavery, enforced prostitution, forced pregnancy, enforced sterilization, or any other form of sexual violence of comparable gravity;
Persecution against any identifiable group or collectivity on political, racial, national, ethnic, cultural, religious, gender as defined in paragraph 3, or other grounds that are universally recognized as impermissible under international law, in connection with any act referred to in this paragraph or any crime within the jurisdiction of the Court;
Enforced disappearance of persons;
The crime of apartheid;
Other inhumane acts of a similar character intentionally causing great suffering, or serious injury to body or to mental or physical health
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Hm...joy, good reason to get out, what they going on about?
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Hm...joy, good reason to get out, what they going on about?
The "unfairness" of the DNC R&BL Committee's Saturday decision.
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Hm...joy, good reason to get out, what they going on about?
The "unfairness" of the DNC R&BL Committee's Saturday decision.
well...yeah, no comment.
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Hm...joy, good reason to get out, what they going on about?
The "unfairness" of the DNC R&BL Committee's Saturday decision.
well...yeah, no comment.
Yeah, well there are PLENTY of comments over there.
And some worry about unifying the party... how silly
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holy crap. Neil boortz is such an idiot.
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This should cheer everybody up. This is Barack holding "Baby" a dog rescued from a puppy mill that will be featured in a book coming out this week A Rare Breed of Love. Baby lost a leg due to cage confinement and had her vocal cords cut so the owners of the mill wouldn't have to listen to her cry. The book will have pictures of her with celebs like Moby, Lindsay Lohan, Amy Sedaris and this guy:
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You may also want to take a look at the following piece in Vanity Fair:
Bubba Trouble The Comeback Id.
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Raine, an excellent if troubling post. I read the Guardian story while working on the Daily Headlines last night. I was sickened.
In war, one of the first things that is done by many governments is to redefine the enemy as something less human than one's own side and allies. While this is wrong, what has been done with my tax dollars is far worse: torture of people and practices that we rightfully condemned in the Nuremberg war crimes trials.
Here is some news:
Senator Kennedy to have brain surgery this morning
The UNN Daily Headlines are up.
While much of the news today is distressing, let us not lose faith in our ability to bring about positive change. Even in humanity's darkest hours, there were those who were willing to shine a light on the truth and take a stand. May their courage and honesty inspire us in our own times.
Quote by Raine:I have not read the article yet, but I have been reading This from Politico...Basically, the gist of it is that a former Clinton Employee has a husband who wrote the article and is therefore it was unfair and Biased.Quote by will in chicago:
You may also want to take a look at the following piece in Vanity Fair:
Bubba Trouble The Comeback Id.
To which I reply... Geroge Stephanopoulas ...anyone? Bueller? Bueller?
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*returns* I...think i'll stay here today.
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*returns* I...think i'll stay here today.
Good call, Random. Apparently an army of Harriets are being sent out to convince us that Hillary should be the nominee, 'cause Obama is, ummm...
I'm not sure what their thinking is on that. Anyway, just hang here and have fun.
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Correct me if I'm wrong - but didn't Obama beat a few "white men" too?
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Mornin' Faye - in case you didn't get my "thank you" via yesterday's blog - THANK YOU! -- the clip I needed was indeed in the mp3's you sent - and it came in very handy.
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vacation is over.
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Heh.. what happens when political activists huff paint fumes?
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Oh lord... they WAY he won?!?!
TRanslation: HArriet and Donnie both seem to think that Barack should have known his place, and waited his turn.
And Harriet .... she sounds like she smokes Road flares and drinks Gin Ricky's
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Oh lord... they WAY he won?!?!
TRanslation: HArriet and Donnie both seem to think that Barack should have known his place, and waited his turn.
And Harriet .... she sounds like she smokes Road flares and drinks Gin Ricky's
Hey...I smoke road flares and drink Gin Rickys. What are you trying to say? :waiting:
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OMG...speaking of Fran Drescher, I had insomnia last night and was watching old episodes of Fame on hulu.com and did you all know that Fran was on it?!?!?
I was sitting there and said, out loud to myself, "Hey! That's Fran Drescher!"
aaaaanyway.....
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Oh lord... they WAY he won?!?!
TRanslation: HArriet and Donnie both seem to think that Barack should have known his place, and waited his turn.
And Harriet .... she sounds like she smokes Road flares and drinks Gin Ricky's
Hey...I smoke road flares and drink Gin Rickys. What are you trying to say? :waiting:
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Before i forget, still time to place wagers on how many super's declare today.
Prize will be a hershey's chocolate bar, or prize of equal value.
Currently:
Raine: 30+
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Oh lord... they WAY he won?!?!
TRanslation: HArriet and Donnie both seem to think that Barack should have known his place, and waited his turn.
And Harriet .... she sounds like she smokes Road flares and drinks Gin Ricky's
Hey...I smoke road flares and drink Gin Rickys. What are you trying to say? :waiting:
I thought it was Rita Cosby who smoked road flares? *helicopter*
Let me briefly set the scene, as Sanchez tells it on pages 349-350 of Wiser in Battle. It's April 6, 2004. L. Paul Bremer III, head of the occupation's Coalition Provisional Authority, as well as the President's colonial viceroy in Baghdad, and Gen. Sanchez were in Iraq in video teleconference with the President, Secretary of State Colin Powell, and Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld. (Assumedly, the event was recorded and so revisitable by a note-taking Sanchez.) The first full-scale American offensive against the resistant Sunni city of Fallujah was just being launched, while, in Iraq's Shiite south, the U.S. military was preparing for a campaign against cleric Muqtada al-Sadr and his Mahdi Army militia.
According to Sanchez, Powell was talking tough that day: "We've got to smash somebody's ass quickly," the general reports him saying. "There has to be a total victory somewhere. We must have a brute demonstration of power." (And indeed, by the end of April, parts of Fallujah would be in ruins, as, by August, would expanses of the oldest parts of the holy Shiite city of Najaf. Sadr himself would, however, escape to fight another day; and, in order to declare Powell's "total victory," the U.S. military would have to return to Fallujah that November, after the U.S. presidential election, and reduce three-quarters of it to virtual rubble.) Bush then turned to the subject of al-Sadr: "At the end of this campaign al-Sadr must be gone," he insisted to his top advisors. "At a minimum, he will be arrested. It is essential he be wiped out."
Not long after that, the President "launched" what an evidently bewildered Sanchez politely describes as "a kind of confused pep talk regarding both Fallujah and our upcoming southern campaign [against the Mahdi Army]." Here then is that "pep talk." While you read it, try to imagine anything like it coming out of the mouth of any other American president, or anything not like it coming out of the mouth of any evil enemy leader in the films of the President's -- and my -- childhood:
"'Kick ass!' [Bush] said, echoing Colin Powell's tough talk. 'If somebody tries to stop the march to democracy, we will seek them out and kill them! We must be tougher than hell! This Vietnam stuff, this is not even close. It is a mind-set. We can't send that message. It's an excuse to prepare us for withdrawal.
"There is a series of moments and this is one of them. Our will is being tested, but we are resolute. We have a better way. Stay strong! Stay the course! Kill them! Be confident! Prevail! We are going to wipe them out! We are not blinking!'"
Keep in mind that the bloodlusty rhetoric of this "pep talk" wasn't meant to rev up Marines heading into battle. These were the President's well-embunkered top advisors in a strategy session on the eve of major military offensives in Iraq. Evidently, however, the President was intent on imitating George C. Scott playing General George Patton -- or perhaps even inadvertently channeling one of the evil villains of his onscreen childhood.
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Before i forget, still time to place wagers on how many super's declare today.
Prize will be a hershey's chocolate bar, or prize of equal value.
Currently:
Raine: 30+
I say <10. I think most will declare on Tues night or Wed after the the last two primaries.
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Everytime I hear Harriet, my balls crawl up inside my body cavity...
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Before i forget, still time to place wagers on how many super's declare today.
Prize will be a hershey's chocolate bar, or prize of equal value.
Currently:
Raine: 30+
I say <10. I think most will declare on Tues night or Wed after the the last two primaries.
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Alrightie, new vote tallies.
Raine: 30+
BobR: <10
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Alrightie, new vote tallies.
Raine: 30+
BobR: <10
I said <5
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Everytime I hear Harriet, my balls crawl up inside my body cavity...
:doh:
I think maybe I better stop tawlking like Harriet. :D
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Before i forget, still time to place wagers on how many super's declare today.
Prize will be a hershey's chocolate bar, or prize of equal value.
Currently:
Raine: 30+
I say <10. I think most will declare on Tues night or Wed after the the last two primaries.
A few will indeed switch but I do suspect most won't announce until Tuesday's primaries are finished.
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Went crazy with my predictions... I said 30.
Someone else can eat my hershey bar.
(that didn't sound right)
Quote by Raine:There are plenty of undeclared SD's out there. No one needs to switch.Quote by livingonli:Quote by BobR:Quote by Random:
Before i forget, still time to place wagers on how many super's declare today.
Prize will be a hershey's chocolate bar, or prize of equal value.
Currently:
Raine: 30+
I say <10. I think most will declare on Tues night or Wed after the the last two primaries.
A few will indeed switch but I do suspect most won't announce until Tuesday's primaries are finished.
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Clay Aiken?!?!? a father?!?!?
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Now i need to find a sight that'll watch who declares throughout the day.
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Clay Aiken?!?!? a father?!?!?
Apparently via sperm in a cup. Doesn't exactly do much to squelch those rumors, though.
Mark your calendars now. At long last we will get our first day in court. On Monday June 9 Todd Harding, with assistance from our lead counsel, Walker Chandler, will make an oral argument in support of his motion for Summary Judgment to remove the unverifiable voting machines throughout Georgia while the Defendants will argue to dismiss the suit. The arguments will take place at 9:00am in Fulton Co. Superior Court. Judge Johnson is the presiding judge. WE NEED YOU THERE. I am asking everyone who can make it to please come out and show that you support the lawsuit to restore the integrity of Georgia voting.
Please wear your VoterGa pins or other related badges of support. This is our chance to make an impression on the judge that we care. I would expect the oral arguments to run less than one hour.
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Now i need to find a sight that'll watch who declares throughout the day.
HEre you go Random!!! I present to you.... DemConWatch!
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The New Republic is talking about HRC's evangelical ties now.
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There is Something really uncomfortable using the words "Squelch" and "Sperm in a cup"....
:D
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Now i need to find a sight that'll watch who declares throughout the day.
HEre you go Random!!! I present to you.... DemConWatch!
thanks, how often do they update though?
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So Rice likes to Rock & Roll All Night?...
but does she party every day?
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FOR ALL OF OUR GA READERS:Mark your calendars now. At long last we will get our first day in court. On Monday June 9 Todd Harding, with assistance from our lead counsel, Walker Chandler, will make an oral argument in support of his motion for Summary Judgment to remove the unverifiable voting machines throughout Georgia while the Defendants will argue to dismiss the suit. The arguments will take place at 9:00am in Fulton Co. Superior Court. Judge Johnson is the presiding judge. WE NEED YOU THERE. I am asking everyone who can make it to please come out and show that you support the lawsuit to restore the integrity of Georgia voting.
Please wear your VoterGa pins or other related badges of support. This is our chance to make an impression on the judge that we care. I would expect the oral arguments to run less than one hour.
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Hillary Clinton claims to have won the so-called popular vote, but if you pay close attention to her words she is now using a critical qualifier: "in presidential primaries."
So, with that in mind, Velveeta is ready to proudly proclaim, that she is the Smartest, Prettiest and Wealthiest of all the Four Freedom Bloggers, who are currently sitting on this couch.
All HAIL Velveeta!!
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Hillary Clinton claims to have won the so-called popular vote, but if you pay close attention to her words she is now using a critical qualifier: "in presidential primaries."
So, with that in mind, Velveeta is ready to proudly proclaim, that she is the Smartest, Prettiest and Wealthiest of all the Four Freedom Bloggers, who are currently sitting on this couch.
All HAIL Velveeta!!
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Chris in Yankton! MGM :hug:
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Chris in Yankton! MGM :hug:
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Chris in Yankton! MGM :hug:
That was MGM? Cool!
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Chris in Yankton! MGM :hug:
That was MGM? Cool!
Damn, I missed it. What did he say?
“I’ve been closing very strongly since Feb. 20,” she said, referring to the day after Mr. Obama won Hawaii and Wisconsin. “I have won more votes and won more states than Senator Obama. All the independent analyses break in my direction. A lot of the key states that we have to win, I win those states.”
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From the NYT:“I’ve been closing very strongly since Feb. 20,” she said, referring to the day after Mr. Obama won Hawaii and Wisconsin. “I have won more votes and won more states than Senator Obama. All the independent analyses break in my direction. A lot of the key states that we have to win, I win those states.”
So Now she is not only not counting the caucus states, it seems she is not counting the states BEFORE february 20th.
I feel disenfranchised. :sarcasm:
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OY! What am I doing wrong on posting a video???
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OY! What am I doing wrong on posting a video???
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Hillary Clinton claims to have won the so-called popular vote, but if you pay close attention to her words she is now using a critical qualifier: "in presidential primaries."
So, with that in mind, Velveeta is ready to proudly proclaim, that she is the Smartest, Prettiest and Wealthiest of all the Four Freedom Bloggers, who are currently sitting on this couch.
All HAIL Velveeta!!
I am wondering, what about...
Alaska
Colorado
Hawaii
Idaho
Iowa
Kansas
Maine
Minnesota
Nebraska
Nevada
North Dakota
Texas (Caucus only)
Washington
Wyoming....
What about those states?
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Will, :rofl:
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Happy Mondee!
I would like to recommend last weeks episode of "This American Life." You can listen to it online at their website. It is about the first trial for alleged terrorists after 9/11. Very interesting. Very disturbing.
King Kong torched. Tatum O'Neal busted for buying crack. The Lakers in the NBA final. Let's just say the food poisoning I had yesterday was the bright spot.
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DAMN...leave for an hour and you people go on with out me. Random hurt.
Raine: 30+
BobR: <10
Pam: <5
with 4 supers declared: 3 for Obama and 1 for Hillary.
Well...that's if you people are to be believed...Demconwatch isn't loading for me.
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Happy Mondee!
I would like to recommend last weeks episode of "This American Life." You can listen to it online at their website. It is about the first trial for alleged terrorists after 9/11. Very interesting. Very disturbing.
King Kong torched. Tatum O'Neal busted for buying crack. The Lakers in the NBA final. Let's just say the food poisoning I had yesterday was the bright spot.
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Raine, I gave the blog a shout out at UNN in the thread: US rending terror suspects on prison ships.
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DAMN...leave for an hour and you people go on with out me. Random hurt.
Raine: 30+
BobR: <10
Pam: <5
with 4 supers declared: 3 for Obama and 1 for Hillary.
Well...that's if you people are to be believed...Demconwatch isn't loading for me.
Sorry, that's 3.5 supers declared: 2.5 for Obama and 1 for Hillary.
Quote by Raine:Are the Michigan Delegates counted as Half?Quote by Random:Quote by Random:
DAMN...leave for an hour and you people go on with out me. Random hurt.
Raine: 30+
BobR: <10
Pam: <5
with 4 supers declared: 3 for Obama and 1 for Hillary.
Well...that's if you people are to be believed...Demconwatch isn't loading for me.
Sorry, that's 3.5 supers declared: 2.5 for Obama and 1 for Hillary.
:scratchead:
Quote by Raine:Are the Michigan Delegates counted as Half?Quote by Random:Quote by Random:
DAMN...leave for an hour and you people go on with out me. Random hurt.
Raine: 30+
BobR: <10
Pam: <5
with 4 supers declared: 3 for Obama and 1 for Hillary.
Well...that's if you people are to be believed...Demconwatch isn't loading for me.
Sorry, that's 3.5 supers declared: 2.5 for Obama and 1 for Hillary.
:scratchead:
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I keep getting 502 server errors from the google today... it is happening to a few of the sites that I go to, including Demconwatch
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DAMN...leave for an hour and you people go on with out me. Random hurt.
Raine: 30+
BobR: <10
Pam: <5
with 4 supers declared: 3 for Obama and 1 for Hillary.
Well...that's if you people are to be believed...Demconwatch isn't loading for me.
Sorry, that's 3.5 supers declared: 2.5 for Obama and 1 for Hillary.
:scratchead:
Based on the outcome of Saturday's meeting I would guess so. Same with any FL delegates.
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Forgive me. You all had mentioned earlier a website that was posting these numbers. What was it?
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Forgive me. You all had mentioned earlier a website that was posting these numbers. What was it?
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Random is the official Super Tracker of today.
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And so we Wait, with Al Wynn resigning, does this make the total go down?
* Also note, Maryland's Al Wynn's resignation takes effect this weekend. That means technically the number drops to 2,117 for at least a couple of weeks until Donna Edwards likely fills his seat. We contacted the DNC to see if it would reduce their number. They are not, so we will keep the number at 2,118, which is what it will eventually be at convention. Donna Edwards is expected to be an Obama supporter, but until that is official, we are leaving her off Obama's list, as have others.
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Forgive me. You all had mentioned earlier a website that was posting these numbers. What was it?
And here is the Link to DemConWatch.
Goggle is acting funky today so it seems like it is up and down.
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Forgive me. You all had mentioned earlier a website that was posting these numbers. What was it?
And here is the Link to DemConWatch.
Goggle is acting funky today so it seems like it is up and down.
Thank you, Raine. Thank you, BobR. Got tired of opining to a blank wall. Figured blogging might be a bit more constructive. At least I wouldn't get weird looks. Well, maybe fewer weird looks.
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Keep on Trackin' Random!
I was so disgusted by the behavior of "democrats" on Saturday. I hope this is over tomorrow, but I don't know if Hillary's ego will allow for this to happen without a fight at the convention.
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As well, i feel i should mention that Irene Stein may endorse Clinton, but no official announcement shall be made, so we won't add her as of yet.
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Keep on Trackin' Random!
I was so disgusted by the behavior of "democrats" on Saturday. I hope this is over tomorrow, but I don't know if Hillary's ego will allow for this to happen without a fight at the convention.
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O.o four straight posts...
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I shall assume you're talking about the "democrats" in the audience. Not only did I find their behavior disgusting, as you said, but I was also embarrassed. (And that has something do to with me being in the same demographics as some of the more highly vocal audience members.) Their apparent lack of knowledge about the process going on before them was . . . was . . . was irresponsible.
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I shall assume you're talking about the "democrats" in the audience. Not only did I find their behavior disgusting, as you said, but I was also embarrassed. (And that has something do to with me being in the same demographics as some of the more highly vocal audience members.) Their apparent lack of knowledge about the process going on before them was . . . was . . . was irresponsible.
I contend that those were NOT democrats. That was embarrassing, especially it being aired on TV>
Sometimes, I think it is best to let the family fight in private.
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It's Pat! Welcome.
I don't think all of the "democrats" were democrats, but I think some of them were the fringe crazy. They scare me, but I think the imposters, who were probably the more vocal and disruptive, did the most harm by making the party look pathetic and foolish. Mission accomplished, unfortunately.
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Never a dull moment Livin!
I don't like the Lakers. They treated Shaq like crap and they are dead to me. Dead I tell ya! (Kobe)
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Headline News is reporting that Ted Kennedy is out of surgery and the doctors are saying they have accomplished their goals.
Hope it's a good sign.
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Oh, I'll take 7, Random. It's lucky in Vegas, so...
Raine: 30+
BobR: <10
Pam: <5
Izzy: 7
that's 3 votes for Obama and 2 for Clinton
making the total of 5 votes together with 6 supers declared.
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DemConWatch
And welcome to our little corner of the internets!!
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And welcome aboard, PatM to our little corner of the internets.
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But back to superdelegates. To all those screaming that Saturday's process was unfair and undemocratic, would they consider it fair and democratic if the superdelegate for your district/state voted for the candidate that did NOT win the majority of votes?
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Headline News is reporting that Ted Kennedy is out of surgery and the doctors are saying they have accomplished their goals.
Hope it's a good sign.
I have a question.. when they first announced that he had the tumor they mentioned that it was inoperable (and most likely terminal). Did they mention whether this surgery today was to try to remove it, or was it more exploratory to get a better understanding of how severe the tumor is?
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Oh boy... Did Randi just miss her hard break?!?!
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That previous caller to Thom Hartmann said that Clinton's been treated with a disgusting level of "sexism". I would like some concrete examples of this. Where has her gender been used against her?
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Raine: 30+
BobR: <10Pam: <5
Izzy: 7
that's 3.5 votes for Obama and 2 for Clinton
making the total of 5.5 votes together with 7 supers declared.
if anyone wishes to change there bet, feel free too, i'll keep it all nice an open before around 8 pm Eastern.
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That previous caller to Thom Hartmann said that Clinton's been treated with a disgusting level of "sexism". I would like some concrete examples of this. Where has her gender been used against her?
It doesn't supply as many specific examples as I would like but this article does address some.
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/Vote2008/Story?id=4889014&page=1
I'm not saying I agree with it . . .
In reading between some of the lines, I'm still seeing the contention that she should be the winner and the nominee simply because she is a woman. Both she and her supporters are using the gender card both ways.
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Raine: 30+
BobR: <10Pam: <5
Izzy: 7
that's 3.5 votes for Obama and 2 for Clinton
making the total of 5.5 votes together with 7 supers declared.
if anyone wishes to change there bet, feel free too, i'll keep it all nice an open before around 8 pm Eastern.
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I am making Random the official Bookie of 4F!
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Almost evident of my uses, i dunno all the techincal terms of being a bookie, so sue me. That beside the point, i'll learn on the job, so here's our numbers, get'em while they're hot.
For tomorrow folks.
Super's Declaring
1-3:
4-6:
7-10:
10-15:
15-20:
20+:
Montana
50/50 split:
1-2 point difference (Obama):
1-2 point difference (Clinton):
3-4 point difference (Obama):
3-4 point difference (Clinton):
5-6 point difference (Obama):
5-6 point difference (Clinton):
7-10 point difference (Obama):
7-10 point difference (Clinton):
11-15 point difference (Obama):
11-15 point difference (Clinton):
15+ point difference (Obama):
15+ point difference (Clinton):
South Dakota
50/50 split:
1-2 point difference (Obama):
1-2 point difference (Clinton):
3-4 point difference (Obama):
3-4 point difference (Clinton):
5-6 point difference (Obama):
5-6 point difference (Clinton):
7-10 point difference (Obama):
7-10 point difference (Clinton):
11-15 point difference (Obama):
11-15 point difference (Clinton):
15+ point difference (Obama):
15+ point difference (Clinton):
And just for kicks...
Hillary "Suspends" campaign
Yes:
No:
Quote by Raine:I made a new poll, Random! I tried to give props!Quote by Random:
Almost evident of my uses, i dunno all the techincal terms of being a bookie, so sue me. That beside the point, i'll learn on the job, so here's our numbers, get'em while they're hot.
For tomorrow folks.
Super's Declaring
1-3:
4-6:
7-10:
10-15:
15-20:
20+:
Montana
50/50 split:
1-2 point difference (Obama):
1-2 point difference (Clinton):
3-4 point difference (Obama):
3-4 point difference (Clinton):
5-6 point difference (Obama):
5-6 point difference (Clinton):
7-10 point difference (Obama):
7-10 point difference (Clinton):
11-15 point difference (Obama):
11-15 point difference (Clinton):
15+ point difference (Obama):
15+ point difference (Clinton):
South Dakota
50/50 split:
1-2 point difference (Obama):
1-2 point difference (Clinton):
3-4 point difference (Obama):
3-4 point difference (Clinton):
5-6 point difference (Obama):
5-6 point difference (Clinton):
7-10 point difference (Obama):
7-10 point difference (Clinton):
11-15 point difference (Obama):
11-15 point difference (Clinton):
15+ point difference (Obama):
15+ point difference (Clinton):
And just for kicks...
Hillary "Suspends" campaign
Yes:
No:
Quote by Random:
Almost evident of my uses, i dunno all the techincal terms of being a bookie, so sue me. That beside the point, i'll learn on the job, so here's our numbers, get'em while they're hot.
For tomorrow folks.
Super's Declaring
1-3:
4-6:
7-10:
10-15:
15-20:
20+:
Montana
50/50 split:
1-2 point difference (Obama):
1-2 point difference (Clinton):
3-4 point difference (Obama):
3-4 point difference (Clinton):
5-6 point difference (Obama):
5-6 point difference (Clinton):
7-10 point difference (Obama):
7-10 point difference (Clinton):
11-15 point difference (Obama):
11-15 point difference (Clinton):
15+ point difference (Obama):
15+ point difference (Clinton):
South Dakota
50/50 split:
1-2 point difference (Obama):
1-2 point difference (Clinton):
3-4 point difference (Obama):
3-4 point difference (Clinton):
5-6 point difference (Obama):
5-6 point difference (Clinton):
7-10 point difference (Obama):
7-10 point difference (Clinton):
11-15 point difference (Obama):
11-15 point difference (Clinton):
15+ point difference (Obama):
15+ point difference (Clinton):
And just for kicks...
Hillary "Suspends" campaign
Yes:
No:
Quote by livingonli:
I'm still not calling a number because I am bad at those things. But I don't think we'll get more than a few after the ones already announced with everyone waiting until the results are in Tuesday before finally deciding to put their hats in the ring.
I wonder if Hillary is finally realizing that the writing is on the wall and that her campaign is pretty much finished. The only thing is that she might still start a floor debate over the rules but any further attempts by her to drag it out could very well shoot down her political career and maybe she finally realizes that.
But the Harriets and SMH's of the world will continue to drag it out and spew their bullshit.
Quote by livingonli:
I'm still not calling a number because I am bad at those things. But I don't think we'll get more than a few after the ones already announced with everyone waiting until the results are in Tuesday before finally deciding to put their hats in the ring.
Quote by Random:Quote by livingonli:
I'm still not calling a number because I am bad at those things. But I don't think we'll get more than a few after the ones already announced with everyone waiting until the results are in Tuesday before finally deciding to put their hats in the ring.
ohh come on, pick some numbers, i got me a fancy sheet to make it easy for you to pick
Quote by Raine:Come on liv... be a cool kid!~ :rofl:Quote by Random:Quote by livingonli:
I'm still not calling a number because I am bad at those things. But I don't think we'll get more than a few after the ones already announced with everyone waiting until the results are in Tuesday before finally deciding to put their hats in the ring.
ohh come on, pick some numbers, i got me a fancy sheet to make it easy for you to pick
You know I am just joshing. I would really like to see what you think is gonna happen. It' s not like we REALLY have to worry about it here, you know.
Quote by Random:
That's all the bets for you Raine.
I'm kind of suprised how fun this is for me. Is it illegal for me to place bets as well?
Quote by Random:Quote by Raine:Come on liv... be a cool kid!~ :rofl:Quote by Random:Quote by livingonli:
I'm still not calling a number because I am bad at those things. But I don't think we'll get more than a few after the ones already announced with everyone waiting until the results are in Tuesday before finally deciding to put their hats in the ring.
ohh come on, pick some numbers, i got me a fancy sheet to make it easy for you to pick
You know I am just joshing. I would really like to see what you think is gonna happen. It' s not like we REALLY have to worry about it here, you know.
Come on, be cool man, take a hit.
Quote by Raine:I think you can. you made the bet's fair.Quote by Random:
That's all the bets for you Raine.
I'm kind of suprised how fun this is for me. Is it illegal for me to place bets as well?
Quote by livingonli:
For the Super delegations, are you wondering how many will declare on Tuesday itself or how many once the results are in?
As for the primaries, I am going a little conservative.
Montana: Obama 11-15
South Dakota: Obama 1-2
The only variable might be if Operation Chaos is at work (unless these are closed primaries).
And I will check some items before I make a guess about what Hillary will do. Hopefully, she will take the opportunity to gracefully bow out of the race.
Quote by Raine:Fair enough... :hug:Quote by livingonli:
For the Super delegations, are you wondering how many will declare on Tuesday itself or how many once the results are in?
As for the primaries, I am going a little conservative.
Montana: Obama 11-15
South Dakota: Obama 1-2
The only variable might be if Operation Chaos is at work (unless these are closed primaries).
And I will check some items before I make a guess about what Hillary will do. Hopefully, she will take the opportunity to gracefully bow out of the race.
SO how about everyone else? (Random, I think many are gone for the day, so I hope you post this all again in the AM.)
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That's all the bets for you Raine.
I'm kind of suprised how fun this is for me. Is it illegal for me to place bets as well?
Super's Declaring
1-3:
4-6:
7-10: Raine
10-15:
15-20:
20+:
Montana
50/50 split:
1-2 point difference (Obama):
1-2 point difference (Clinton):
3-4 point difference (Obama):
3-4 point difference (Clinton):
5-6 point difference (Obama):
5-6 point difference (Clinton):
7-10 point difference (Obama):
7-10 point difference (Clinton):
11-15 point difference (Obama): livingonli
11-15 point difference (Clinton):
15+ point difference (Obama): Raine
15+ point difference (Clinton):
South Dakota
50/50 split:
1-2 point difference (Obama): livingonli
1-2 point difference (Clinton):
3-4 point difference (Obama): Raine
3-4 point difference (Clinton):
5-6 point difference (Obama):
5-6 point difference (Clinton):
7-10 point difference (Obama):
7-10 point difference (Clinton):
11-15 point difference (Obama):
11-15 point difference (Clinton):
15+ point difference (Obama):
15+ point difference (Clinton):
* Voting ends at 7 p.m. MDT/9 p.m. EDT, with results expected shortly after. The primary is closed -- registered Republicans and independents may not cast ballots in the Democratic contest. Obama, who won earlier contests in neighboring states, is expected to do well.
* Republican presidential candidates have carried South Dakota in every election since 1964, though Democrats are competitive in congressional elections.
* Farming and ranching loom large in this thinly settled state, but banking and small business have emerged as important economic sectors in recent decades, thanks to South Dakota's lack of corporate or personal income taxes. While rural areas empty out, suburban Lincoln County has recorded one of the nation's highest growth rates this decade.
* Native Americans, including the Lakota Sioux descendants of Crazy Horse and Sitting Bull, make up 8 percent of South Dakota's population, a higher percentage than any other U.S. state except New Mexico and Alaska.
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Great blog Raine- though very chilling- I keep thinking of when I got to see the "Tall Ships" sail down the Hudson River in 1976 - It was in honor of 1776 I believe.
Well we all sure won't be seeing these ships sailing down the Hudson being cheered on by hundreds of waving people. Unless I guess they have finally come to round everyone up.
I am glad it looks like Ted Kennedy has come through the surgery today. What a fighter.
Quote by Raine:
HEya, Izzy, I dunna know if you are around, but I wanted to tell you that we have a possible new dog as a member of our little family. We are giving it a week to see if it fells good for her and us. Her name is Kizzie, and I keep calling her Izzy!
Trust me, it's a good thing!
Quote by AuntAzalea:
Hi Random- I am the lurking Mrs. VJ
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HEya, Izzy, I dunna know if you are around, but I wanted to tell you that we have a possible new dog as a member of our little family. We are giving it a week to see if it fells good for her and us. Her name is Kizzie, and I keep calling her Izzy!
Trust me, it's a good thing!
Yay! A puppy will make the primary season a happier place! Can we see a picture of K(Izzy)?
Quote by IzzyBitz:
That's supposed to be a smiley face down there. My emoticons are wacky today!
My picks are Supers Declaring 15-20, Montana 15+ and South Dakota 7-10.
With all of this gambling, I best take a laptop and a pitcher of margaritas to the pool and play some Latin music. When the coppers come a banging on the door, I can say I'm floating on international waters.
Quote by Raine:Come on liv... be a cool kid!~ :rofl:Quote by Random:Quote by livingonli:
I'm still not calling a number because I am bad at those things. But I don't think we'll get more than a few after the ones already announced with everyone waiting until the results are in Tuesday before finally deciding to put their hats in the ring.
ohh come on, pick some numbers, i got me a fancy sheet to make it easy for you to pick
You know I am just joshing. I would really like to see what you think is gonna happen. It' s not like we REALLY have to worry about it here, you know.
Quote by TriSec:
Evening, folks.
Tonight's TriSec Tip:
When microwaving frozen hot dog rolls in the bag, don't forget to remove the twist-tie.
Also, molten hot dog roll bag plastic causes almost instantaneous second-degree burns.
Film at 11.
Quote by TriSec:
Evening, folks.
Tonight's TriSec Tip:
When microwaving frozen hot dog rolls in the bag, don't forget to remove the twist-tie.
Also, molten hot dog roll bag plastic causes almost instantaneous second-degree burns.
Film at 11.
Quote by Mondobubba:Quote by Raine:Come on liv... be a cool kid!~ :rofl:Quote by Random:Quote by livingonli:
I'm still not calling a number because I am bad at those things. But I don't think we'll get more than a few after the ones already announced with everyone waiting until the results are in Tuesday before finally deciding to put their hats in the ring.
ohh come on, pick some numbers, i got me a fancy sheet to make it easy for you to pick
You know I am just joshing. I would really like to see what you think is gonna happen. It' s not like we REALLY have to worry about it here, you know.
Liv ya go to Vegas. You don't gamble, it can't be for the kick ass hotel cable. It must be for the buffets or the whores. Which is it? I keed!
Quote by TriSec:
*snort*
Well, after I got the fire out, I was trying to save the rolls (which I did) and I got some plastic on me. I was actually quite fascinated by it, and fortunately only a step away from the sink and cold water, so I only had a miniscule spot that *actually* burned.
"Wow, this is really hot", I said to Mrs. TriSec.
'twas Javier's Spring Concert this afternoon, featuring the Fitzgerald Elementary Cacophonic Orchestra.
Quote by TriSec:
Sox have been back and forth with the Birds this evening...
Quote by Mondobubba:Quote by TriSec:
Sox have been back and forth with the Birds this evening...
You know I have to say this, GO BIRDS! :Putti: Gotta support the team!
Quote by IzzyBitz:
Yep, Obama. Thanks Random.
I get to vote in our "direct primary" tomorrow. The fun never ends!!
Quote by Raine:
BTW, the hershey bar goes to Bobber I think:
According to DemConWAtch:
Superdelegate endorsements for Monday 6/2
So far today Obama has 5.5 superdelegate votes to Clinton's 2.
Obama has a total of 7 endorsements today which equal 5.5 superdelegate votes.
And may I suggest we use a better brand of Chocolate for the bets? :D
Quote by Random:
Because none of the ones joining us now have made bets...
Super's Declaring
1-3:
4-6:
7-10: Raine
10-15: Random
15-20: IzzyBitz
20+:
Montana
50/50 split:
1-2 point difference (Obama):
1-2 point difference (Clinton):
3-4 point difference (Obama):
3-4 point difference (Clinton):
5-6 point difference (Obama):
5-6 point difference (Clinton):
7-10 point difference (Obama):
7-10 point difference (Clinton):
11-15 point difference (Obama): livingonli, Random
11-15 point difference (Clinton):
15+ point difference (Obama): Raine, IzzyBitz
15+ point difference (Clinton):
South Dakota
50/50 split:
1-2 point difference (Obama): livingonli
1-2 point difference (Clinton):
3-4 point difference (Obama): Raine, Random
3-4 point difference (Clinton):
5-6 point difference (Obama):
5-6 point difference (Clinton):
7-10 point difference (Obama): IzzyBitz
7-10 point difference (Clinton):
11-15 point difference (Obama):
11-15 point difference (Clinton):
15+ point difference (Obama):
15+ point difference (Clinton):
Quote by Mondobubba:Quote by Random:
Because none of the ones joining us now have made bets...
Super's Declaring
1-3:
4-6:
7-10: Raine, Mondobubba
11-15: Random
15-20: IzzyBitz
20+:
Montana
50/50 split:
1-2 point difference (Obama):
1-2 point difference (Clinton):
3-4 point difference (Obama):
3-4 point difference (Clinton):
5-6 point difference (Obama):
5-6 point difference (Clinton):
7-10 point difference (Obama):
7-10 point difference (Clinton):
11-15 point difference (Obama): livingonli, Random
11-15 point difference (Clinton):
15+ point difference (Obama): Raine, IzzyBitz
15+ point difference (Clinton):
South Dakota
50/50 split:
1-2 point difference (Obama): livingonli
1-2 point difference (Clinton):
3-4 point difference (Obama): Raine, Random
3-4 point difference (Clinton):
5-6 point difference (Obama):
5-6 point difference (Clinton):
7-10 point difference (Obama): IzzyBitz
7-10 point difference (Clinton):
11-15 point difference (Obama):
11-15 point difference (Clinton):
15+ point difference (Obama):
15+ point difference (Clinton):
I'll take the 10 supers
Quote by livingonli:Quote by Mondobubba:Quote by TriSec:
Sox have been back and forth with the Birds this evening...
You know I have to say this, GO BIRDS! :Putti: Gotta support the team!
Peter Angelos was supposedly in the building I work at last week watching us doing the HD feed of last Wednesday's Orioles-Yankees game for MASN.
Quote by livingonli:
I thought Obama was ahead in Montana.
Quote by Mondobubba:
Angelos! : slowly I turned: Did you try to explode his head with your amazing psychic powers? :modbat:
Quote by Random:
I suck, so all i can find is polls by American Research Group on South Dakota and Montana.
South Dakota: 48%/44% To Obama
Montana: 60%/34% to Clinton
Quote by Mondobubba:Quote by livingonli:Quote by Mondobubba:Quote by TriSec:
Sox have been back and forth with the Birds this evening...
You know I have to say this, GO BIRDS! :Putti: Gotta support the team!
Peter Angelos was supposedly in the building I work at last week watching us doing the HD feed of last Wednesday's Orioles-Yankees game for MASN.
Angelos! : slowly I turned: Did you try to explode his head with your amazing psychic powers? :modbat:
Quote by Random:Quote by Mondobubba:
Angelos! : slowly I turned: Did you try to explode his head with your amazing psychic powers? :modbat:
That reminds me of Jeffrey Combs in the Frighteners.
Quote by Raine:
I will post a few pics of Kizzie tomorrow everyone. She is the laziest Dog I have ever seen in my life. She sleeps ALL the time!
Quote by Raine:Interesting... . For the record, there are very very few poll being done on South Dakota.Quote by Random:
I suck, so all i can find is polls by American Research Group on South Dakota and Montana.
South Dakota: 48%/44% To Obama
Montana: 60%/34% to Clinton
I am still tempted to up my Super delegate bet. VERY tempted.... WTF, can I up it to 15-20? is it too late?
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Angelos! : slowly I turned: Did you try to explode his head with your amazing psychic powers? :modbat:
That reminds me of Jeffrey Combs in the Frighteners.
Great flick Random!
Quote by Random:Quote by Mondobubba:Quote by Random:Quote by Mondobubba:
Angelos! : slowly I turned: Did you try to explode his head with your amazing psychic powers? :modbat:
That reminds me of Jeffrey Combs in the Frighteners.
Great flick Random!
I love me the Micheal J. Fox.
but apparently you making another movie reference.
I was thinking of Combs in the interregation room thinking Fox was gonna make his heart explode.
Quote by Mondobubba:
Livin trivia question for you. What is Cletus the Slack-jawed Yokel's last name and who are his cousins?
Quote by Mondobubba:Quote by Random:Quote by Mondobubba:Quote by Random:Quote by Mondobubba:
Angelos! : slowly I turned: Did you try to explode his head with your amazing psychic powers? :modbat:
That reminds me of Jeffrey Combs in the Frighteners.
Great flick Random!
I love me the Micheal J. Fox.
but apparently you making another movie reference.
I was thinking of Combs in the interregation room thinking Fox was gonna make his heart explode.
Yep, I was thinking of Scanners
Quote by livingonli:Quote by Mondobubba:
Livin trivia question for you. What is Cletus the Slack-jawed Yokel's last name and who are his cousins?
That's a tough one.
Quote by Mondobubba:Quote by livingonli:Quote by Mondobubba:
Livin trivia question for you. What is Cletus the Slack-jawed Yokel's last name and who are his cousins?
That's a tough one.
Terwiliger. Cousin to Cecil and Robert.
Quote by Mondobubba:Quote by livingonli:Quote by Mondobubba:
Livin trivia question for you. What is Cletus the Slack-jawed Yokel's last name and who are his cousins?
That's a tough one.
Terwiliger. Cousin to Cecil and Robert.
Quote by livingonli:Quote by Mondobubba:Quote by livingonli:Quote by Mondobubba:
Livin trivia question for you. What is Cletus the Slack-jawed Yokel's last name and who are his cousins?
That's a tough one.
Terwiliger. Cousin to Cecil and Robert.
That explains how Cletus ended up working in Cecil's construction company.
Quote by livingonli:
But no relationship to the Terwilliger's is mentioned in the Wikipedia entry for Cletus.
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Angelos! : slowly I turned: Did you try to explode his head with your amazing psychic powers? :modbat:
That reminds me of Jeffrey Combs in the Frighteners.
Great flick Random!
I love me the Micheal J. Fox.
but apparently you making another movie reference.
I was thinking of Combs in the interregation room thinking Fox was gonna make his heart explode.
Yep, I was thinking of Scanners
Did you see that there's a remake coming out in October?
Dear Hollywood, instead of re-doing movies that have been done, how about coming up with some original ideas? Or is that too much for your tiny brains to comprehend?
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Angelos! : slowly I turned: Did you try to explode his head with your amazing psychic powers? :modbat:
That reminds me of Jeffrey Combs in the Frighteners.
Great flick Random!
I love me the Micheal J. Fox.
but apparently you making another movie reference.
I was thinking of Combs in the interregation room thinking Fox was gonna make his heart explode.
Yep, I was thinking of Scanners
Did you see that there's a remake coming out in October?
Dear Hollywood, instead of re-doing movies that have been done, how about coming up with some original ideas? Or is that too much for your tiny brains to comprehend?
I am very tired of the lack of originality coming out of hollywood. Come on people! come up with something new!
Quote by livingonli:
Proof of why old films should not be re-made: Gus Van Zandt's Psycho. Why copy the Hitchcock version when it's been out there. It was even worse than if they just had colorized the original.
Quote by Random:Quote by livingonli:
Proof of why old films should not be re-made: Gus Van Zandt's Psycho. Why copy the Hitchcock version when it's been out there. It was even worse than if they just had colorized the original.
And i counter with Peter Jackson's King Kong. A remake that was very good.
Quote by livingonli:Quote by Random:Quote by livingonli:
Proof of why old films should not be re-made: Gus Van Zandt's Psycho. Why copy the Hitchcock version when it's been out there. It was even worse than if they just had colorized the original.
And i counter with Peter Jackson's King Kong. A remake that was very good.
And that was a second remake. It expanded more from the '33 version than did the '76 version which updated it to that time. Noting how the climax was at the World Trade Center instead of the Empire State Building.
Of course if the remake was updated to contemporary times they would have had to go back to the Empire State Building anyway.
Quote by Raine:
OK, so here is the deal. WE now have a pool. I, as a co admin of this blog, offer to send real chocolate to the winners of each of the divisions.
And because he is doing so much work, Random will get chocolate anyway. (it won't be hershey's either... that is blasphemy when you live with BobR)
So we have three divisions... And according to Random the SD division we have until Noon tommorrow. Correct?
Supers
Montana
South Dakota
Quote by livingonli:
And then there's Mel Brooks The Producers in which the remake was based on the Broadway musical which was a remake/update of his original 1968 film.
Quote by BobR:Quote by livingonli:
And then there's Mel Brooks The Producers in which the remake was based on the Broadway musical which was a remake/update of his original 1968 film.
What about Hairspray? Aren't we up to two movies and two broadway plays now?