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Iran... so far away...
Author: BobR    Date: 06/11/2008 12:13:05

Where have we heard this before? Tough talk, then sanctions, then...?

Bush has been in Europe, banging the drum for war with Iran. After dragging our allies into Iraq with false intelligence, you'd think they'd bounce his ass out the door. No, instead they're trying to be responsible, sort of an intervention, and push for sanctions instead:
German Chancellor Angela Merkel told President George W. Bush on Saturday she would be willing to support a third round of U.N. sanctions against Iran if Tehran continues to resist demands to halt sensitive nuclear work.

Merkel, in a visit to Bush's ranch in Crawford, also said she would consider possible cuts in her country's brisk trade flows with Iran should other efforts fail to secure Tehran's cooperation over its nuclear program.

Bush agreed with Merkel that diplomacy was the best way to resolve the standoff with Iran.

"We were at one in saying that the threat posed through the nuclear program of Iran is indeed a serious one," Merkel said at a joint news conference with Bush.

"We both share this view, but we also were of the opinion that we think that this issue can be solved through diplomatic means; that the next step, then, obviously, would be a resolution," she said through a translator.

What?? Dimplomatic means?? - That's appeasement talk!

We had sanctions against Iraq too, and it was the voilation of rules set down by those sanctions that Bush used as a justification to use military force. That may be his plan again, despite the best intentions of several groups:
An unusual coalition of interest groups from left and right is launching a drive today to head off an American military attack on Iran by pushing America into high-level negotiations with Tehran.

The Campaign for a New American Policy on Iran, which bills itself as "transpartisan," consists of more than three dozen organizations, most of them left-leaning, such as the American Friends Service Committee, the Institute for Policy Studies, and the Open Society Policy Center, which is backed by George Soros.

However, the campaign also has the backing of a smattering of right-of-center groups, including the American Conservative Defense Alliance, the Libertarian Party, and the American Cause, which is headed by Patrick Buchanan.

"The current rumor here in Washington is that Bush will attack after the November elections so it won't hurt the Republican nominee politically. Many around him say he feels he has to do something before he leaves office," a campaign organizer, Carah Ong of the Center for Arms Control and Nonproliferation, said. "Part of this is to raise the fact that a military attack is likely and it needs to be prevented."

(He's worried about hurting McCain? When you have Tom DeLay saying that the GOP is losing, and Ron Paul planning a parallel convention, you can't get much worse...)

So once again Bush is pushing for war instead of diplomacy, for no better reason than his legacy, and despite evidence that it's not even close to necessary. Remember the NIE late last year?:
A new National Intelligence Estimate (NIE) released today concludes with “high confidence” that “in fall 2003, Tehran halted its nuclear weapons program.” From the report’s findings:

We assess with moderate confidence Tehran had not restarted its nuclear weapons program as of mid-2007, but we do not know whether it currently intends to develop nuclear weapons.

We continue to assess with moderate-to-high confidence that Iran does not currently have a nuclear weapon.

Tehran’s decision to halt its nuclear weapons program suggests it is less determined to develop nuclear weapons than we have been judging since 2005.

He knows they're not an immediate threat (which is absolutely the only reason to go to war pre-emptively), and yet he still wants to do it. The military leaders have to know this is criminal. I've read that if Bush were under impeachment proceedings, it would be very easy for them to refuse to obey his orders to strike. Last night Kucinich presented 35 articles of impeachment to the House. Constitutional scholar Jonathon Turley agrees it's way past time to do it. If nothing else, in the interests of preventing the unnecessary deaths of innocents in Iran, deaths of Americans in the assured response, and more billions of dollars wasted, Bush MUST be stopped. With impeachment, we get two for the price of one.

Time to make those phone calls...

UPDATE: More evidence Bush is heading down the same road as Iraq. He says "All options are on the table". You'd think he'd be smart enough to use a different phrase, but no...

 

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Comment by velveeta jones on 06/11/2008 12:27:51
Great post Bob!



I missed the loooooonnnnnngggggg reading of the articles of impeachment - I hear it went on for hours.



But I got angry last night when one of KO's commentators (forget which one at the moment) said the "Democrats are putting party before principals". SO TRUE!! The Dems and Congress better have some plan for bush either before or right after he leaves office, (war crimes?) or I will become BITTER!



:rage:

Comment by Scoopster on 06/11/2008 12:36:45
Morning 'veeta! :coffee:



I for one don't plan to wait until the Dems decide to act. I've decided to start a movement to file a massive class action lawsuit against the Bush Administration. If the people running this country either refuse or are too chickenshit to go after him as a criminal, perhaps a more civil route is needed so to speak.

Comment by TriSec on 06/11/2008 12:41:33
Diplomacy....what a concept.



I studied the Soviet Union in the middle 1980s. For a time, tensions in Europe were running high, and among the many concerns was the high number of SS-20 and Pershing II missiles in both Germanys pointing at each other.



Did we invade East Germany?



Look up Reykjavik 1987, and go to the Air and Space museum and look at those missiles now relegated to history in the Space Gallery and tell me how well diplomacy worked that time.



Iran is not an equal....but there's no reason not to talk to them as equals. I sure hope President Obama can resurrect something we used to call "detante" during the Cold War...





Comment by TriSec on 06/11/2008 13:06:41
Trying to listen again today...yesterday was a bust.



My manager is out today, and one of our morning meetings got canceled, so I have a chance now...



Comment by TriSec on 06/11/2008 13:11:24
Erm, I don't think any part of the US is in Atlantic Time there....





Comment by TriSec on 06/11/2008 13:11:59
See that? Chaos!



And now I'm sitting here talking to myself...



Dr. Ian Malcolm, Juraissic Park



Comment by BobR on 06/11/2008 13:15:45
Quote by TriSec:

See that? Chaos!



And now I'm sitting here talking to myself...



Dr. Ian Malcolm, Juraissic Park



How does that make you feel? :nerd:





:P

Comment by TriSec on 06/11/2008 13:16:08
*tap tap*



This thing on?



:modbat:



Comment by Raine on 06/11/2008 13:17:11
I am here Tri... Just trying to get around the internets to spread the word for 4F.

Comment by TriSec on 06/11/2008 13:20:17
"What the Fox????"







How far out of the loop am I with that one?



Comment by Raine on 06/11/2008 13:20:44
Quote by Scoopster:

Morning 'veeta! :coffee:



I for one don't plan to wait until the Dems decide to act. I've decided to start a movement to file a massive class action lawsuit against the Bush Administration. If the people running this country either refuse or are too chickenshit to go after him as a criminal, perhaps a more civil route is needed so to speak.
I like this idea. .







Comment by TriSec on 06/11/2008 13:29:45
Oh lordy, I missed this show! Many of my co-workers have been glancing at me hunched over my desk snickering to myself...



TriSec's back, folks.... :party:





Comment by Shane-O on 06/11/2008 13:29:50
Quote by Raine:

I am here Tri... Just trying to get around the internets to spread the word for 4F.




Such the 4F Ambassador...



Good morning all!

Comment by Random on 06/11/2008 13:31:57
Hello all my friends here.

EVen those who wish i'd go away, hello.

Comment by Scoopster on 06/11/2008 13:36:33
Quote by TriSec:

Oh lordy, I missed this show! Many of my co-workers have been glancing at me hunched over my desk snickering to myself...



TriSec's back, folks.... :party:


Woooooohooooo :banana:

Comment by TriSec on 06/11/2008 13:37:38
Would the Republicans do well to remember the (likely apocryphal) words of Admiral Isoruku Yamamoto on the morning of 7 December 1941?



"I fear all we have done is awaken a sleeping giant and fill him with a terrible resolve..."



I was a babe of 2 years in that seminal year 1968.....but maybe something is happening here.





Comment by Raine on 06/11/2008 13:40:38
Good morning again to everyone!

Comment by starling310 on 06/11/2008 13:41:23
I smell a Landslide....just sayin.



Comment by TriSec on 06/11/2008 13:42:39
Oh, that's right!!!



"Senator Franken met with President Obama today....."



I'll watch the O'Reilly Factor that night just so I can watch Bill's head explode with my own eyes...





Comment by Raine on 06/11/2008 13:43:46
Comment by starling310 on 06/11/2008 13:48:11
Woo Hoo! Pat Benetar!!



I think Obama should use that at his rallys!!

Comment by starling310 on 06/11/2008 13:49:32
Dude...Barack is going to wipe the floor with McCain. Christ. It's June!



Comment by wickedpam on 06/11/2008 13:50:46
Morning :hug:

Comment by TriSec on 06/11/2008 13:51:27
Nah, I got the song for Obama....



Prince and the NPG, "New Power Generation"





"We are the new power generation, we want to change the world

The only thing that's in our way is you

Your old fashioned music, your old ideas

we're sick and tired of you telling us what to do"



Comment by wickedpam on 06/11/2008 13:52:07
I didn't eat Top Ramon - don't like soup.

Comment by starling310 on 06/11/2008 13:52:08
jennifer beals :drool:

Comment by TriSec on 06/11/2008 13:52:54
Momma and the [first-generation] microwave!



http://davidszondy.com/future/Living/microwaveold.jpg


Comment by starling310 on 06/11/2008 13:57:03
like when mom would serve leftover stuffed peppers! :puke:

Comment by Raine on 06/11/2008 14:00:30
This is 2008, right?!?!?!



Bush to Iran: 'All options' are open over nukes

President urges diplomacy over uranium enrichment during European visit



"Both the chancellor and my first choice of course is to solve this diplomatically," Bush told a joint news conference with Merkel.



But he added: "All options are on the table," a reference to the threat of military action to stop Iran's nuclear program, which the West fears is aimed at making atomic bombs. "The message to the Iranian government is very clear," Bush said.







Comment by Scoopster on 06/11/2008 14:02:56
Quote by TriSec:

Would the Republicans do well to remember the (likely apocryphal) words of Admiral Isoruku Yamamoto on the morning of 7 December 1941?



"I fear all we have done is awaken a sleeping giant and fill him with a terrible resolve..."



I was a babe of 2 years in that seminal year 1968.....but maybe something is happening here.


What it is ain't exactly clear...

Comment by Scoopster on 06/11/2008 14:04:48
Quote by wickedpam:

I didn't eat Top Ramon - don't like soup.


Soup shmoup.. drain most of the water off & make a sauce with the little bit that's left!

Comment by Random on 06/11/2008 14:07:08
Random is a lil tired from DRII

Comment by Raine on 06/11/2008 14:09:29
:rofl: Nice one Shane-O!!!

Comment by livingonli on 06/11/2008 14:10:16
Good morning everyone.



I feel like a bear that was stirred from its slumber.

Comment by Raine on 06/11/2008 14:10:52
Quote by Scoopster:

Quote by TriSec:

Would the Republicans do well to remember the (likely apocryphal) words of Admiral Isoruku Yamamoto on the morning of 7 December 1941?



"I fear all we have done is awaken a sleeping giant and fill him with a terrible resolve..."



I was a babe of 2 years in that seminal year 1968.....but maybe something is happening here.


What it is ain't exactly clear...


There's a man with a gun over there....



Comment by livingonli on 06/11/2008 14:10:52
Quote by Raine:

This is 2008, right?!?!?!



Bush to Iran: 'All options' are open over nukes

President urges diplomacy over uranium enrichment during European visit



"Both the chancellor and my first choice of course is to solve this diplomatically," Bush told a joint news conference with Merkel.



But he added: "All options are on the table," a reference to the threat of military action to stop Iran's nuclear program, which the West fears is aimed at making atomic bombs. "The message to the Iranian government is very clear," Bush said.







I have the strangest feeling of Deja Vu.

Comment by Shane-O on 06/11/2008 14:12:10
Quote by Raine:

:rofl: Nice one Shane-O!!!




Comment by Raine on 06/11/2008 14:12:15
Comment by livingonli on 06/11/2008 14:12:19
Quote by Raine:

Quote by Scoopster:

Quote by TriSec:

Would the Republicans do well to remember the (likely apocryphal) words of Admiral Isoruku Yamamoto on the morning of 7 December 1941?



"I fear all we have done is awaken a sleeping giant and fill him with a terrible resolve..."



I was a babe of 2 years in that seminal year 1968.....but maybe something is happening here.


What it is ain't exactly clear...


There's a man with a gun over there....



Telling me I've got to beware.

Comment by wickedpam on 06/11/2008 14:12:53
Quote by Scoopster:

Quote by wickedpam:

I didn't eat Top Ramon - don't like soup.


Soup shmoup.. drain most of the water off & make a sauce with the little bit that's left!




Not a fan of sauces either - I'm a very picky eater.



Comment by TriSec on 06/11/2008 14:17:29
*snort*



Ah, I see Scoop and WP would have trouble in my kitchen...



"What's This????"



"There's nothing in it you don't like; just eat it!!"



"I like things better when they have names...."







Oh, wait...that's a normal dinnertime conversation with Mrs. TriSec. My apologies..



Comment by wickedpam on 06/11/2008 14:21:15
Quote by TriSec:

*snort*



Ah, I see Scoop and WP would have trouble in my kitchen...



"What's This????"



"There's nothing in it you don't like; just eat it!!"



"I like things better when they have names...."







Oh, wait...that's a normal dinnertime conversation with Mrs. TriSec. My apologies..





Oh trust me I've gotten way better then I used to be thanks to my job. Sometimes we have dinner meeting and I have to just eat what's in front of me with out making a face I've come to really like somethings I used to refuse to eat.



Although I still will NOT eat mayo or shrooms (damn fugus)



Comment by BobR on 06/11/2008 14:23:44
Quote by wickedpam:





Not a fan of sauces either - I'm a very picky eater.



I like things that are saucy!







including food. :P

Comment by livingonli on 06/11/2008 14:25:09
Quote by TriSec:

*snort*



Ah, I see Scoop and WP would have trouble in my kitchen...



"What's This????"



"There's nothing in it you don't like; just eat it!!"



"I like things better when they have names...."







Oh, wait...that's a normal dinnertime conversation with Mrs. TriSec. My apologies..



I hope her cooking's not as bad as Stephs.

Comment by livingonli on 06/11/2008 14:30:31
Quote by BobR:

Quote by wickedpam:





Not a fan of sauces either - I'm a very picky eater.



I like things that are saucy!







including food. :P




Comment by Scoopster on 06/11/2008 14:32:40
What in the hell....



I swear this is a result of fallout from Chernobyl or some shit. Between the reborn Hindu gods in India and this I'm just at a loss for any other explanation.

Comment by Random on 06/11/2008 14:34:11
O.o I...This...Is a first...



Random is afraid.

Comment by starling310 on 06/11/2008 14:38:30
do terrorists have knuckle bumps? secrat handshakes?

Comment by Raine on 06/11/2008 14:40:34
:thud: Scoop that was singularly one of the most disturbing things I have ever seen.

Comment by livingonli on 06/11/2008 14:41:00
Quote by starling310:

do terrorists have knuckle bumps? secrat handshakes?


Just ask E.D. Hill. Apparently she's the expert...



...at pulling things out of her ass.