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Timothy J. Russert, Jr. (1950-2008)
Author: Shane-O    Date: 06/16/2008 08:17:34

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It is often said on The Stephanie Miller Show that there are only two acceptable times for a grown man to cry:

1. After being hit with a heavy object; and
2. While watching or listening to a speech given by Barack Obama.

I respectfully submit that there is a third time: Upon learning of the untimely passing of Washington Bureau Chief of NBC News and moderator of Meet the Press, Tim Russert.

For those interested in politics, Meet the Press was appointment television every Sunday morning. For those not so interested in politics, a single viewing of Meet the Press could turn a person into a political junkie. Meet the Press wasn’t “entertaining” in the way so many news programs have strived to be of late. No bells, no whistles, no drama stings, no silly graphics.

Just Tim.

He didn’t need to tell you what was “breaking news.” The answers he elicited from the major political people from around the United States and the World, made news.

Recently, many of us have become familiar with the White House GPS. It was and is up for debate whether the road to the White House goes through Ohio and Pennsylvania and Michigan and Texas and even Puerto Rico. However, no one can dispute that the road to the White House did go through Meet the Press via a fair, respectful and grueling interview by Tim Russert. And after a Tim Russert interview, for more than a few candidates, the trip was over. Ask Ross Perot, Ron Paul, David Duke (candidate for Governor of Louisiana) and Bill Richardson - to name only a few.

What made Tim Russert the top of his profession?

Tim met, knew, and was friends with nearly every powerful person in American politics. He was listed among Time Magazine’s 2008 100 Most Influential People in the World. Yes – The World. Yet when he wrote his two best-selling books: Big Russ and Me and Wisdom of Our Fathers, the topic was not the rich, the powerful, or the famous. Russert wrote about family. Those mourning Tim over the weekend uniformly emphasized that his enthusiasm for politics was only surpassed by his love for family, friends and colleagues.

And to the often cynical and frequently nasty political landscape, Tim brought his passion for the personal relationships in life. Every interviewee was a person first; each individual at NBC, family. As written on MSNBC’s website:

If you've ever wondered why Tim Russert got so passionate when he questioned presidents and politicians about values and character and the truth, he would have told you it comes from the man he called "Big Russ." They say you can't go home again. In some ways, Tim Russert never left the town, the times, the teachers in the place he always thought of as home.

Of course it was Tim’s journalistic prowess that most of us know. So many use the words “prepared,” “preparation,” “homework” when speaking of Tim’s body of work. It’s impossible to count the number of times Tim asked a question and following the initial answer, Tim uttered the phrase: “But back in [insert date here] you said…”. And for a split second, sometimes we got a look at the face of his interviewee. Usually they quickly turned ashen, their mind visibly working to try to remember what they could have possibly said in contradiction in some time past. It was not “gotcha” journalism. The questions never “got” anyone. But their answers sure did!

If there was any one thing about Russert’s interviews that I found so much better than many other journalists, it was the fact that his interviews were not about the questions. They were about the answers. So many so-called journalists today approach an interviewee as merely a foil to put forward their own ideas. The more abhorrent among them spend more time extracting praise about their superior interviewing technique than on the content of the answers given. Tim’s humility and quiet confidence in his work made such endeavors for him not only unnecessary, but also unthinkable.

Because Tim’s life was more about family, about friends and about the people he covered than about himself, when a colleague did ask Tim for his opinion, everyone listened to and respected the weight of his answer.

From the final Meet the Press with moderator Tim Russert, June 8, 2008:



Your NBC family will be out there covering the election with the lessons they learned from you, Tim. We will all be following and covering the election, striving for (and almost always falling short of) the high standards you set and always exceeded.

Politics will go on, NBC News will continue, and Meet the Press will carry on.

In 1785, Thomas Jefferson was presented in the Court of France as the American minister following Benjamin Franklin. Jefferson was asked the commonplace question in such circumstances:

“c'est votts, Monsieur, qui remplace le Docteur Franklin?” ("it is you, Sir, who replace Doctor Franklin?")

Jefferson answered, "no one can replace him, Sir: I am only his successor."

It won’t be the same without you, Tim.

 

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Comment by BobR on 06/16/2008 12:47:41
Great blog Shane-O!



Morning, folks... :coffee:

Comment by Random on 06/16/2008 12:51:32
I'm dreading the mourning on Stephanie Miller.



Comment by Shane-O on 06/16/2008 12:52:14
Morning Bob - and thanks for letting me post this...



I know some are growing a bit tired of the eulogies - but, it was cathartic for me and it might come up on the SMS this am...

Comment by Random on 06/16/2008 12:56:46
Since i didn't get to comment at all to the Obama working in Iowa thing...

How long did he actually work there? or was it just a 20 minute photo-opp deal?

Comment by Raine on 06/16/2008 12:57:00
I tip my hat. Shane-o you said things just wonderfully.



Good morning everyone.

Comment by Shane-O on 06/16/2008 13:05:34
Hey Raine - I should thank you too! -- I think Monday's post is yours... Thanks for the forum.

Comment by Raine on 06/16/2008 13:09:15
I do not know how long he worked there, Random, but it was more than a photo-op, The campaign is doing relief work.

Comment by Raine on 06/16/2008 13:14:16
I hope they cleaned off the microphones after singing Waterloo in German.

Comment by Raine on 06/16/2008 13:15:23
OH.Mah.Gawhd.

Comment by TriSec on 06/16/2008 13:15:25
RRRRRRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!



Enough with the freakin' ABBA already!!!!



: removes headset :





Comment by Raine on 06/16/2008 13:16:53
Holy Shite! Who the hell is this woman again?

Comment by Random on 06/16/2008 13:17:27
Well...It does look good.

Obama does good.



Comment by Raine on 06/16/2008 13:20:27
IS it me? Or is RWW extra stoopit this morning? They don't even know how to spin the campaign.

Comment by TriSec on 06/16/2008 13:20:56
Ya know, I'm hoping that during one of the debates, Sen. Obama finds something that sticks in McCain's craw in such a way that he loses it on National TV.





Comment by Random on 06/16/2008 13:21:23
CHRIS!

Random broke that here...Where's Random's Credit.





Yes...I do have an ego that big.

Comment by Shane-O on 06/16/2008 13:22:30
Quote by TriSec:

RRRRRRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!



Enough with the freakin' ABBA already!!!!



: removes headset :





Don't yell at me - I just agree!

Comment by m-hadley on 06/16/2008 13:25:46
Mornin' Everybody :coffee:

Excellent post Shane-O! Just stopping by for a quickie Gotta work today.... A rainy Monday - blah :P

Cheers,

mfaye

Comment by BobR on 06/16/2008 13:27:10
Quote by TriSec:

RRRRRRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!



Enough with the freakin' ABBA already!!!!



: removes headset :





:: pokes sharp stick into eye ::

Comment by Scoopster on 06/16/2008 13:32:57
AAAAAAND THE WINNER TAAAAAAAAKES IT AAAAAAAAAAL! :rofl:



morning folks.

Comment by Raine on 06/16/2008 13:37:40
Comment by Raine on 06/16/2008 13:39:26
Quote by Random:

CHRIS!

Random broke that here...Where's Random's Credit.





Yes...I do have an ego that big.
We have so many great cub reporters here on das bloggie!



(Attention, we are now in a Abba Free Zone on the SMS show.)



Comment by Random on 06/16/2008 13:43:56
Quote by Raine:

Quote by Random:

CHRIS!

Random broke that here...Where's Random's Credit.





Yes...I do have an ego that big.
We have so many great cub reporters here on das bloggie!



(Attention, we are now in a Abba Free Zone on the SMS show.)



It has been Random's goal for awhile now to get his name said on the SMS show. And once again, Chris has robbed me of that.

Comment by Random on 06/16/2008 13:46:03
Quote by Random:

Quote by Raine:

Quote by Random:

CHRIS!

Random broke that here...Where's Random's Credit.





Yes...I do have an ego that big.
We have so many great cub reporters here on das bloggie!



(Attention, we are now in a Abba Free Zone on the SMS show.)



It has been Random's goal for awhile now to get his name said on the SMS show. And once again, Chris has robbed me of that.


I believe that was a bit reduntand?

Like ATM Machine.

Comment by BobR on 06/16/2008 13:47:27
Quote by Random:



It has been Random's goal for awhile now to get his name said on the SMS show. And once again, Chris has robbed me of that.


I think you either need to send a clever email or call in. The stuff they lift from this blog (or the SMS blog) is generally broadcast without attribution.

Comment by wickedpam on 06/16/2008 13:47:35
Morning :hug:

Comment by Scoopster on 06/16/2008 13:48:17
Quote by Raine:

(Attention, we are now in a Abba Free Zone on the SMS show.)


As an alternative, we have now entered.. the Ace of Base zone.





Comment by Scoopster on 06/16/2008 13:49:14
(Yes, Scoop's in a rather peculiar mood this morning, in case you hadn't noticed)



(No, Scoop is not high.)

Comment by Random on 06/16/2008 13:51:29
Quote by BobR:

Quote by Random:



It has been Random's goal for awhile now to get his name said on the SMS show. And once again, Chris has robbed me of that.


I think you either need to send a clever email or call in. The stuff they lift from this blog (or the SMS blog) is generally broadcast without attribution.


Well, damn it. Random is not clever enough, and no way in hell could he call in.

damn...

Comment by livingonli on 06/16/2008 13:52:24
Good morning everyone. :)



It may be Monday and raining but I am off today and am going to go out for dinner with some friends at Cheesecake Factory tonight.



Mmmm....Peanut Butter Fudge Ripple.

Comment by BobR on 06/16/2008 13:53:55
Quote by Scoopster:



As an alternative, we have now entered.. the Ace of Base zone.





Have we entered the Scandinavian Zone?? Where's The Cardigans?

Comment by livingonli on 06/16/2008 13:56:01
Gee, a story about Norway. This is where we need mgm on the blog.

Comment by Raine on 06/16/2008 13:57:29
Bush backer Pens Pro-Obama Book.



I guess you could call him PRObama! :P

Comment by Random on 06/16/2008 13:58:35
Quote by Raine:

Bush backer Pens Pro-Obama Book.



I guess you could call him PRObama! :P


It's cause he's a sexist.

Comment by livingonli on 06/16/2008 13:59:50
Quote by Raine:

Bush backer Pens Pro-Obama Book.



I guess you could call him PRObama! :P




Comment by Raine on 06/16/2008 14:02:38
Cause it's ok to make rape jokes, huh? John MCCain has no scruples at all.

Comment by BobR on 06/16/2008 14:07:22
Quote by livingonli:

Good morning everyone. :)



It may be Monday and raining but I am off today and am going to go out for dinner with some friends at Cheesecake Factory tonight.



Mmmm....Peanut Butter Fudge Ripple.


Aren't you trying to lose weight or something?

Comment by BobR on 06/16/2008 14:10:40
Quote by Raine:

Cause it's ok to make rape jokes, huh? John MCCain has no scruples at all.


to be fair - did you read the article? In this one case, I don't think they knew about the comment.

Comment by Random on 06/16/2008 14:10:48
Quote by Raine:

Cause it's ok to make rape jokes, huh? John MCCain has no scruples at all.


George Carlin did jokes about rape...

Course, they weren't as bad as what that jackass said.

Comment by Raine on 06/16/2008 14:12:48
Comment by BobR on 06/16/2008 14:13:31
MORE ABBA???



I will be SO glad when this particular obession is over.



:rolleyes2:

Comment by livingonli on 06/16/2008 14:16:24
Did that letter writer wear his white sheet while scribbling his rantings in the big box?

Comment by Random on 06/16/2008 14:17:33
Wow...Random wasn't paying attention.

someone wrote a letter.

A mean one...Random is sad.

Comment by livingonli on 06/16/2008 14:21:30
Quote by BobR:

MORE ABBA???



I will be SO glad when this particular obession is over.



:rolleyes2:


I feel nostalgic for the other 70's earworm ditch.

Comment by livingonli on 06/16/2008 14:22:20
Quote by Random:

Wow...Random wasn't paying attention.

someone wrote a letter.

A mean one...Random is sad.


You shouldn't be sad. Daniel is an example of people who need to be thinned from the herd.

Comment by Random on 06/16/2008 14:24:39
Quote by livingonli:

Quote by Random:

Wow...Random wasn't paying attention.

someone wrote a letter.

A mean one...Random is sad.


You shouldn't be sad. Daniel is an example of people who need to be thinned from the herd.


oh, Random knows. He just sad he didn't hear it.

Comment by wickedpam on 06/16/2008 14:27:53
did Chris just say "shit"?

Comment by Raine on 06/16/2008 14:28:11
Quote by BobR:

Quote by Raine:

Cause it's ok to make rape jokes, huh? John MCCain has no scruples at all.


to be fair - did you read the article? In this one case, I don't think they knew about the comment.
On Friday becuase of the controversy, McCain cancelled the event, yesterday it was revealed that it was simply rescheduled.





He knew.



Comment by BobR on 06/16/2008 14:33:06
Quote by Raine:

On Friday becuase of the controversy, McCain cancelled the event, yesterday it was revealed that it was simply rescheduled.





He knew.



I assumed by "rescheduled", it meant the fundraiser, not the fundraiser with this douchebag. Apologies for my misinterpretation...

Comment by Raine on 06/16/2008 14:37:30
Comment by Random on 06/16/2008 14:39:03
Ha...Senator Lieberman and I.

Wow...are they dating?

Comment by Raine on 06/16/2008 14:40:23
Quote by BobR:

Quote by Raine:

On Friday becuase of the controversy, McCain cancelled the event, yesterday it was revealed that it was simply rescheduled.





He knew.



I assumed by "rescheduled", it meant the fundraiser, not the fundraiser with this douchebag. Apologies for my misinterpretation...
:hug:



Comment by livingonli on 06/16/2008 14:40:40


That's a switch. I remember on all my road trips to Canada when I always made sure I filled up before I crossed the border because of the prices up in Canada.

Comment by Raine on 06/16/2008 14:43:17
Good for you Chris. I totally agree. Soulless Bastards. And they ARE NOT hillary Supports, They are not Dems. This is where freepers go to pretend to be someone they are not so they can say the things they really want to say.

Comment by wickedpam on 06/16/2008 14:45:21






Saw that story, wish the rest of us had that chance to get cheaper gas. I read, in the article, that the price was lower because of some gov't program there - any one know what the dollar/pesco rate is? Could that be contributing too?





Comment by livingonli on 06/16/2008 14:47:54
Comment by Raine on 06/16/2008 14:53:07
What I hate about this idea that McCain is proposing is that he is presuming that he should be in charge of the way the race is conducted, as opposed to him being concerned with how he is runiing his own campaign.



Personally, I do not think thier should be ANY debates or Town hall meeting until AFTER both conventions.

Comment by wickedpam on 06/16/2008 14:57:24
Quote by Raine:

What I hate about this idea that McCain is proposing is that he is presuming that he should be in charge of the way the race is conducted, as opposed to him being concerned with how he is runiing his own campaign.



Personally, I do not think thier should be ANY debates or Town hall meeting until AFTER both conventions.




People are gonna burn out fast if they do those town hall meetings every few days. Waiting until the convention would make it all offical.



Comment by Raine on 06/16/2008 15:01:51
Just out of curiosity, does anyone know if the pResident, whilst he was jet setting over in Europe... Paris, London the Vatican Private gardens with the pope... did that man EVER once say anything about the Drowning of Iowa?!?!?!





I know this may not be high on many people priorities, but foir f*cksake, he is in EUROPE acting like some loverboy jetsetter instead of giving a rat;s ass about the people from illinios and Iowa!

Comment by BobR on 06/16/2008 15:10:13
Quote by Raine:

Just out of curiosity, does anyone know if the pResident, whilst he was jet setting over in Europe... Paris, London the Vatican Private gardens with the pope... did that man EVER once say anything about the Drowning of Iowa?!?!?!





I know this may not be high on many people priorities, but for f*cksake, he is in EUROPE acting like some loverboy jetsetter instead of giving a rat's ass about the people from illinios and Iowa!


I believe he said something about some goverment entity having things under control. Perhaps the people of Iowa can simply eat cake...



Maybe if Terri Schiavo was in Iowa, he'd cut short his European Vacation to come back.

Comment by livingonli on 06/16/2008 15:10:50
Bush is our Nero, he fiddles while America drowns.

Comment by TriSec on 06/16/2008 15:20:22
Yeah, but would one European head of state think to ask him "Uhh, George? Shouldn't you be home doing something?"

Comment by livingonli on 06/16/2008 15:31:58
Quote by TriSec:

Yeah, but would one European head of state think to ask him "Uhh, George? Shouldn't you be home doing something?"


You would think the Queen would be glad to see President Frat Boy gone?

Comment by livingonli on 06/16/2008 15:36:05
We do need progressive taxation restored in this country which would not only undo the Bush taxcuts but the Reagan as one.

Comment by Raine on 06/16/2008 15:41:15
BTW, that credit card debt? The McCains are paying 0% interest on it.

Comment by BobR on 06/16/2008 15:41:25
Quote by TriSec:

Yeah, but would one European head of state think to ask him "Uhh, George? Shouldn't you be home doing something?"


They all know what an idiot he is.

Comment by wickedpam on 06/16/2008 15:42:54
Quote by Raine:

BTW, that credit card debt? The McCains are paying 0% interest on it.






I swear why is that the people that DON'T need the help get the breaks when everyone else has to struggle and get piled on.



Comment by Raine on 06/16/2008 15:44:42
Comment by BobR on 06/16/2008 15:44:45
Quote by wickedpam:







I swear why is that the people that DON'T need the help get the breaks when everyone else has to struggle and get piled on.



It's a simple bi-directional fractal equation:



power <==> money



Comment by livingonli on 06/16/2008 15:48:13
Quote by BobR:

Quote by wickedpam:







I swear why is that the people that DON'T need the help get the breaks when everyone else has to struggle and get piled on.



It's a simple bi-directional fractal equation:



power <==> money



Just like how it's the wealthy who will get the freebies, perks, and comps that other people have to pay through the nose to get.

Comment by wickedpam on 06/16/2008 15:50:43
Quote by BobR:

Quote by wickedpam:







I swear why is that the people that DON'T need the help get the breaks when everyone else has to struggle and get piled on.



It's a simple bi-directional fractal equation:



power <==> money





One would think that power would lie with the actual breathing people not that stack of paper in a vault that really has only the value we assign to it since it's not back by gold any longer.



Comment by livingonli on 06/16/2008 15:58:43
Did the show bus drive off the cliff again?

Comment by Raine on 06/16/2008 15:59:32
Comment by Raine on 06/16/2008 16:05:28
Eu agrees to Freeze Iran Bank assets



Tha tis the HEadline, but it was the picture that accompanied it that blew me away...







http://ak.imgfarm.com/images/ap/BRITAIN_BUSH.sff_LON102_20080616085109.jpg


U.S. President George W. Bush addresses a press conference with British Prime Minister Gordon Brown, not pictured, at the Foreign and Commonwealth Office in London, Monday, June 16, 2008. Bush and British Prime Minister Gordon Brown used a joint news conference to show solidarity on an array of vexing foreign policy matters chiefly Iran, Iraq and Afghanistan. Bush dismissed reports he had differences with Brown on Iraq, where Britain has cut its troops. (AP Photo/Carl De Souza, Pool)




Comment by TriSec on 06/16/2008 16:09:07
"Epsilon-Minus Semi-Moron"



Aldous Huxley, 'Brave New World'.





Comment by BobR on 06/16/2008 16:11:16
This is your President:



http://www.artinthepicture.com/artists/Gilbert_Stuart/george_washington.jpeg






This is your pResident on drugs:



http://ak.imgfarm.com/images/ap/BRITAIN_BUSH.sff_LON102_20080616085109.jpg




Any questions?



Comment by trojanrabbit on 06/16/2008 16:13:35
Great job, Shane-O

Comment by TriSec on 06/16/2008 16:13:36


"Roof!" called a creaking voice.



The liftman was a small simian creature, dressed in the black tunic of an Epsilon-Minus Semi-Moron.



"Roof!"



He flung open the gates. The warm glory of afternoon sunlight made him start and blink his eyes. "Oh, roof!" he repeated in a voice of rapture. He was as though suddenly and joyfully awakened from a dark annihilating stupor. "Roof!"



He smiled up with a kind of doggily expectant adoration into the faces of his passengers. Talking and laughing together, they stepped out into the light. The liftman looked after them.



"Roof?" he said once more, questioningly.



Then a bell rang, and from the ceiling of the lift a loud speaker began, very softly and yet very imperiously, to issue its commands.



"Go down," it said, "go down. Floor Eighteen. Go down, go down. Floor Eighteen. Go down, go …"



The liftman slammed the gates, touched a button and instantly dropped back into the droning twilight of the well, the twilight of his own habitual stupor.




And who knew...Brave New World is online!





Comment by trojanrabbit on 06/16/2008 16:15:48
Anyone remember when Mike Malloy took a few minutes from each show to read a part of '1984'? I think he got through the entire book.

Comment by livingonli on 06/16/2008 16:18:02
Anyone listening to Jeremy Scahill on Thom Hartmann? He's been the best source on Blackwater and the whole privatization scam.



And why are the European leaders listening to Bush? Didn't they learn from the first time?

Comment by trojanrabbit on 06/16/2008 16:18:43
http://ak.imgfarm.com/images/ap/BRITAIN_BUSH.sff_LON102_20080616085109.jpg




I can has cocaine?





Comment by Raine on 06/16/2008 16:24:37
Thom is skewering Gingrich.

Comment by livingonli on 06/16/2008 16:27:39
Quote by Raine:

Thom is skewering Gingrich.


Gingrich should just be put out to pasture or put in jail for the crimes he committed while he was in office.

Comment by Scoopster on 06/16/2008 16:33:28
http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b125/bigstic/current1.jpg




It'd be funny if it weren't close to the truth.



Okay.. it's still a lil funny.

Comment by Raine on 06/16/2008 16:35:24
oooOOOooo...



Thom with the hip hop...

Comment by Scoopster on 06/16/2008 16:38:52
Quote by trojanrabbit: I can has cocaine?




Ask and you shall receive! (and welcome to el bloggerista!)



http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b198/skewpster/BRITAIN_BUSH_sff_LON102_20080616085.jpg


Comment by Raine on 06/16/2008 16:40:09
HELLOOOO TRojanRabbit! Wekommen to das Bloggie!

Comment by Raine on 06/16/2008 16:41:06
AWESOME Scoop!

Comment by m-hadley on 06/16/2008 16:48:38
Quote by livingonli:

Good morning everyone. :)



It may be Monday and raining but I am off today and am going to go out for dinner with some friends at Cheesecake Factory tonight.



Mmmm....Peanut Butter Fudge Ripple.




Livin'

Cheesecake Factory, eh? Make sure to plan enough time to peruse their menu which is about the size of a small novel - everything from pasta and pizza to Tex-Mex to Thai to sushi - don't forget to save room for a slice of about 30 different kinds of cheesecake Enjoy Liv, god knows you deserve a night out/off!!!

Cheers,

mfaye :heart:



Comment by trojanrabbit on 06/16/2008 16:48:51
Thanks Raine! Hello all

Comment by m-hadley on 06/16/2008 16:48:52
Welcome to 4Fers Blog, TrojanRabbit,

It's a great place with outstanding folks, I think you'll enjoy it here :D

Cheers,

mfaye :heart:

Comment by wickedpam on 06/16/2008 16:56:52
Heyya TJ :hug:

Comment by livingonli on 06/16/2008 16:57:38
Welcome to the blog, trojanrabbit. It's a wacky place all the time except the wee hours of the morning when most of us are sleeping.

Comment by Raine on 06/16/2008 16:59:56
McCain sure knows how to pick em...



A key organizer of John McCain's meeting Saturday with former supporters of Hillary Clinton is best known for her role in another bitter American fight: The effort by some white descendants of Thomas Jefferson to keep his possible African-American descendants out of family gatherings.



Paula Abeles emailed Politico yesterday to complain that her group had gotten short shrift in a blog item, writing, "I initiated the teleconference with McCain on Saturday and was solely responsible for the guest list." Another Clinton backer at the event, Will Bower, confirmed that she was "integral" to assembling the group.



But Abeles first made the news in 2003, when she and her husband, then-Monticello Association President Nat Abeles, led the fight to keep members of the Hemings family -- descendants of Jefferson slave and, some historians believe, mistress Sally Hemmings -- out of a gathering of the Monticello Association, which is made up of lineal descendants of the third president.



Abeles drew national attention for her role in an episode of online espionage.



===========================================================



The AP article is quoted. Good gawd.

Comment by livingonli on 06/16/2008 17:04:08
Quote by Raine:

McCain sure knows how to pick em...



A key organizer of John McCain's meeting Saturday with former supporters of Hillary Clinton is best known for her role in another bitter American fight: The effort by some white descendants of Thomas Jefferson to keep his possible African-American descendants out of family gatherings.



Paula Abeles emailed Politico yesterday to complain that her group had gotten short shrift in a blog item, writing, "I initiated the teleconference with McCain on Saturday and was solely responsible for the guest list." Another Clinton backer at the event, Will Bower, confirmed that she was "integral" to assembling the group.



But Abeles first made the news in 2003, when she and her husband, then-Monticello Association President Nat Abeles, led the fight to keep members of the Hemings family -- descendants of Jefferson slave and, some historians believe, mistress Sally Hemmings -- out of a gathering of the Monticello Association, which is made up of lineal descendants of the third president.



Abeles drew national attention for her role in an episode of online espionage.



===========================================================



The AP article is quoted. Good gawd.


And then the press will focus more on some of the people in the Obama campaign. At least one did leave but it seems like Grampy has more dubious characters in there.

Comment by trojanrabbit on 06/16/2008 17:19:03
My particpation will be limited by what I'm doing at work, some tests I run require little input on my part (like now) and I can keep up here, where others require constant attention (like tomorrow probably) or the software running the tests will not allow the PC keyboard to be used or else the test will stop.

Comment by Raine on 06/16/2008 17:20:42
So let's see, Just today, we have McCain postponing a fundraiser from a Guy who makes rape jokes, and someone wooing HRC supporters that is a known bigot?











Comment by TriSec on 06/16/2008 17:44:59
<--CLOWN!



Meh, I got nothin'......





Comment by TriSec on 06/16/2008 17:59:46
Well, now that Ring of Fire is talking about the Harmaceutical Industry...



Have you noticed those new "Januvia" ads recently? Why is this stuff on the market?



The ads are maybe 5 seconds of what the drug is and what it does, and the entire rest of the commercial is disclaimers and side effects. I think they maybe should have tested this one longer...



I'm sure most drug ads are similar, but this was a diabetes medication, and I'm a little more in tune with that than other drugs...





Comment by Raine on 06/16/2008 18:02:27
:rofl:



http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y59/raine1967/kxc8zde-sandcastly.jpg


Comment by m-hadley on 06/16/2008 18:32:10
Raine & BobR,

Have you all heard the rumor (and I am hoping that that's all it is ) that Sam Nunn is being considered as Obama's VP? I just got an e-mail from an Hillary supporter who told me that if Sam Nunn is on the ticket she will definitely not vote for Obama. What do you know about Mr. Nunn? He represented Georgia for over 20 years, I think. Apparently he is not gay-friendly (the e-mail I received called him an homophobe). Here's a link to the vetting of Mr. Nunn from The New Republic. Your thoughts are, as always, much appreciated.

Cheers,

mfaye :)

Comment by wickedpam on 06/16/2008 18:36:40
Quote by Raine:

:rofl:



http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y59/raine1967/kxc8zde-sandcastly.jpg






That is so cute! :rofl:

Comment by m-hadley on 06/16/2008 18:38:38
Everybody,

This is from The New Republic article that I referenced in an earlier comment:

"Nunn would guarantee Obama one unfortunate thing: a backlash from gay and lesbian activists, who are already refreshing bitter memories about the lead role Nunn played in quashing Bill Clinton's 1993 attempt to allow gays to serve openly in the military. Nunn's hard stand, which included photo-op tours of cramped U.S. submarine bunks, has been branded "bigotry" by gay bloggers. But Nunn conveyed less of a sense of personal morality than an obligation, as Armed Services Committee chairman, to represent the military's views. And, although Obama favors ending the awkward "don't ask, don't tell" policy that emerged from Nunn's opposition, veep choices often successfully renounce past positions to mesh with nominees. " Your thoughts are most wlecome. Where's Velveeta when we need her? Starling, any thoughts?

Cheers,

mfaye

Comment by TriSec on 06/16/2008 18:42:46
It's been my experience that with very few exceptions, "once a bigot, always a bigot".



It's not a showstopper for me, but surely there are better VP candidates?





Comment by livingonli on 06/16/2008 18:43:29
I did get my $600 from the Feds today. It will help with the bills.

Comment by Mondobubba on 06/16/2008 18:43:52
Oh to be a CEO and get huge bonus when my company is tanking. :rage:



This is and always will be a huge hot button issue with me. Why are these mooks treated like friggin rock stars. They are nothing but self interest driven greedheads. Make them more accountable and tax the crap out of them and all other senior executives.

Comment by BobR on 06/16/2008 18:48:00
Sam Nunn has always been considered a "military expert" and would be a real plus to Obama in that regard, since the unenlightened consider that to be a weak spot in Obama's credentials. I know that Nunn is a conservative Democrat known for being able to work across the aisle, because he is respected on the Republican side. He tends towards diplomacy rather than partisan rhetoric and grandstanding.



I am also guessing that will help "even out" the liberal/conservative balance that might dissuade some people who consider Obama too liberal.



He's not a wingnut, he has a good head on his shoulders, but yes, he's definitely further to the right than Obama is. I'm really not that familiar with his positions on domestic issues, in particularly gay rights, so I don't have much to add in that regard.



Comment by Mondobubba on 06/16/2008 18:48:34
Comment by Raine on 06/16/2008 19:01:36
Patti Solis Doyle tapped for Obama campaign VP Chief of staff.



Interesting development, I must say. Now I am not sure what this all means, if it is going to be the CoS for the CAMPAIGN process, or for when he get's in office, but picking PSD is an interesting Pick.



It is my understanding, that HRC and PSD have still not mended fences after she was fired from the campaign.

Comment by BobR on 06/16/2008 19:22:14
I got the following email from NARAL:

==============================



Mothers, sisters, daughters … a friend. You. Private reproductive health decisions should remain in the hands of those who live with the consequences associated with reproductive health.



John McCain disagrees. We are recruiting 73 women each week between now and the election to help make sure he doesn’t win. Robert, we need your help. Be one of 73.



Join Today!



==============================

Short of getting a sex-change, I don't see myself becoming one of the 73...

Comment by Raine on 06/16/2008 19:47:00
Quote by BobR:

Sam Nunn has always been considered a "military expert" and would be a real plus to Obama in that regard, since the unenlightened consider that to be a weak spot in Obama's credentials. I know that Nunn is a conservative Democrat known for being able to work across the aisle, because he is respected on the Republican side. He tends towards diplomacy rather than partisan rhetoric and grandstanding.



I am also guessing that will help "even out" the liberal/conservative balance that might dissuade some people who consider Obama too liberal.



He's not a wingnut, he has a good head on his shoulders, but yes, he's definitely further to the right than Obama is. I'm really not that familiar with his positions on domestic issues, in particularly gay rights, so I don't have much to add in that regard.

I understand what you are saying, but Nunn is the mastermind behind what turned out to be Don't ask Don't tell.



As far as a VP, I don't think he is it. Everyday there are new rumours floated out and about. Besides if Doyle has been picked to be the CoS for the VP candidate, that means it will be her job, I assume to get snippets of information out from the VP vetting team.







Comment by Raine on 06/16/2008 19:55:00
http://www.barackobama.com/images/feature/08/06/15_algore.jpg




Not a joke!!! :clap:

Comment by m-hadley on 06/16/2008 19:59:33
Quote by Raine:

http://www.barackobama.com/images/feature/08/06/15_algore.jpg




Not a joke!!! :clap:




WHoo HOooo !!!

Cheers,

mfaye :P



Comment by Scoopster on 06/16/2008 20:03:23
FKYEA!



Well who else was he gonna endorse for the nod.. himself? :lol:

Comment by Scoopster on 06/16/2008 20:14:59


I though the documents we're interested in getting are on the RNC's computer network?



In any case... that's a shitty ruling.

Comment by Raine on 06/16/2008 20:24:22




Uhm... What circuit was this judge? I find this to be very disturbing:
Since its creation in 1978, the Office of Administration has responded to FOIA requests. But the Bush White House reversed that policy in August 2007 in the lawsuit filed by CREW.




Not to mention the fact that we aren't even talking about emails, we are talking about how things WENT missing. HOW is that executive privledge? I hope crew take this one up the ladder in appeals.



Comment by Raine on 06/16/2008 20:27:56


Something is missing at the GOP website... kinda cute video.

Comment by livingonli on 06/16/2008 20:33:56
Quote by Raine:





Uhm... What circuit was this judge? I find this to be very disturbing:
Since its creation in 1978, the Office of Administration has responded to FOIA requests. But the Bush White House reversed that policy in August 2007 in the lawsuit filed by CREW.




Not to mention the fact that we aren't even talking about emails, we are talking about how things WENT missing. HOW is that executive privledge? I hope crew take this one up the ladder in appeals.



And how many judges voting in Bush's favor were picked by Bush.

Comment by m-hadley on 06/16/2008 20:35:57
Quote by Raine:





Uhm... What circuit was this judge? I find this to be very disturbing:
Since its creation in 1978, the Office of Administration has responded to FOIA requests. But the Bush White House reversed that policy in August 2007 in the lawsuit filed by CREW.




Not to mention the fact that we aren't even talking about emails, we are talking about how things WENT missing. HOW is that executive privledge? I hope crew take this one up the ladder in appeals.





Raine,

Here's a blurb about the decision (sic) from AP:

U.S. District Judge Colleen Kollar-Kotelly says the Office of Administration is not subject to the Freedom of Information Act, enabling the White House to maintain the secrecy of a lengthy internal paper trail about its problem-plagued e-mail system.

The ruling came in a lawsuit filed against the administration by Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics in Washington, a private group that has been trying to find out the extent of the White House's e-mail problems for more than a year.




Sickening, effing sickening...:rage:

Cheers,

mfaye







Comment by Raine on 06/16/2008 20:44:44
Quote by livingonli:

Quote by Raine:





Uhm... What circuit was this judge? I find this to be very disturbing:
Since its creation in 1978, the Office of Administration has responded to FOIA requests. But the Bush White House reversed that policy in August 2007 in the lawsuit filed by CREW.




Not to mention the fact that we aren't even talking about emails, we are talking about how things WENT missing. HOW is that executive privledge? I hope crew take this one up the ladder in appeals.



And how many judges voting in Bush's favor were picked by Bush.
Well, it seems

she was appointed by Clinton. She is all over the place on her decisions it seems.



She worked for the DoJ from 69-72...







Comment by m-hadley on 06/16/2008 20:45:56




Michael Reagan is a person I could live without - if you get my drift. Apology or no, he's gotta be fired for this threatening remark - imho.

Cheers,

mfaye



Comment by Raine on 06/16/2008 20:54:58
Stealthy winger caller on Randi...

Comment by Raine on 06/16/2008 20:58:42
Quote by m-hadley:





Michael Reagan is a person I could live without - if you get my drift. Apology or no, he's gotta be fired for this threatening remark - imho.

Cheers,

mfaye

I do not understand why things like this are not considered hate speach...



I do not understand Where the FCC is and you bet your ass the FBI should investigate. Why are people allowed to use the Airwaves to incite violence?



Comment by Raine on 06/16/2008 21:06:52
Comment by livingonli on 06/16/2008 21:15:22
Quote by Raine:

Stealthy winger caller on Randi...


Not to mention fact-free.

Comment by Raine on 06/16/2008 21:17:04
Another interesting SCOTUS ruling:



Top court eases rules for foreigners to try to stay in US

SPLIT, 5-4... AGAIN.



We need... NEED to get Obama elected.







Comment by Raine on 06/16/2008 21:20:49
Comment by Raine on 06/16/2008 21:29:43
In light of the recent SCOTUS decision to restore HAbeas Corpus, this should be an interesting case. Supreme court will hear case to decide if John Ashcroft can be sued.

Comment by Raine on 06/16/2008 21:38:28
I went on a SCOTUS run there...

Comment by Raine on 06/16/2008 21:40:35
ANY GOODMAN is on HARDBALL NOW!

Comment by Raine on 06/16/2008 21:43:38
Seems like it was a quick segment. I will have to catch the whole thing on the 7 pm rebroadcast, but the gist of it was McCain and the Woman vote.





Nice to see Amy on the TV machine.





Comment by livingonli on 06/16/2008 21:48:25
I better get my butt going. Heading out to meet my friends at Cheesecake Factory. The new one in Huntington and this time of day will be a long drive to get there.



Talk to y'all when I get back.

Comment by Raine on 06/16/2008 21:51:50
So, regarding Cindy, we were supposed to forgive her for Recipe-gate, right? OK Fine... BUT... she did it again.

Comment by Raine on 06/16/2008 22:01:04
Stop the presses? (as I talk to myself :P) Rachel Maddow is hosting Road the the White house today on MSNBC!

Comment by Raine on 06/16/2008 23:14:41
I gotta give some credit to tweety, Tonite his opening to his show, was great. I wish tho that they would not have included PAt Buchanan. it was however funny when tweety mocked pat that this is not the '50's....





Comment by Raine on 06/16/2008 23:15:50
:thud: I REALLY am all by myself.





:D

Pity... party of one!

Comment by Random on 06/16/2008 23:24:13
ah...Raine.

You know Random is a constant lurker.

Comment by Mondobubba on 06/16/2008 23:29:22
Okay, back from pulling myself out of my massive pity party of self doubt, etc. I went and saw "Kung Fu Panda." I liked it! Great vocal talent; Jack Black, Dustin Hoffman, Ian McShane, Seth Rogan and others.



In a klassy with a K moment, I saw this car with a big ass rear window decal with a pit bull in the middle and around the dog's head: "If it ain't a pit, it ain't shit." :puke:

Comment by Random on 06/17/2008 00:04:14
Hm...Kung Fu Panda any good, or did you just enjoy it?

Keep in mind, Random is easily entertained.

Comment by Mondobubba on 06/17/2008 00:05:35
I have proof positive that McCain is a clueless old man. There was a thing on the NPR new mosheen in which Grampy was talking about how the moratorium on off shore oil drilling needs to be weakened, this will make oil cheaper.



Grampy, yeah that might work in like 10-20 years if there are any proven reserves to be had. Really that is going to lower oil prices now how exactly?

Comment by Mondobubba on 06/17/2008 00:10:10
Quote by Random:

Hm...Kung Fu Panda any good, or did you just enjoy it?

Keep in mind, Random is easily entertained.






It is good. The fat panda joke wear a bit thin, but what can ya do. The character is a fat panda. Ah irony. It is never explained how Po's (the said panda) father is a goose or sumpin. They use just about every kung fu movie cliche to good and comedic use.

Comment by Random on 06/17/2008 00:16:14
Quote by Mondobubba:

Quote by Random:

Hm...Kung Fu Panda any good, or did you just enjoy it?

Keep in mind, Random is easily entertained.






It is good. The fat panda joke wear a bit thin, but what can ya do. The character is a fat panda. Ah irony. It is never explained how Po's (the said panda) father is a goose or sumpin. They use just about every kung fu movie cliche to good and comedic use.
It's basic cartoon convention. any animal can have any other animal as a child.



Momma had a chicken, Momma had a cow, Dad was proud, he didn't care how.


Guess the quote.

Comment by Mondobubba on 06/17/2008 00:21:28
Did you know that one of the founders of Amay is Dominionist? Why then is Amay sponsoring Countdown?

Comment by Random on 06/17/2008 00:23:42
I don't even know what a Dominionist.

Comment by Mondobubba on 06/17/2008 00:25:34
Luke Russert is pretty damn cool. Doing the interview thing...

Comment by Mondobubba on 06/17/2008 00:27:12
Dominionist theology. They are some very scary Christians.

Comment by Raine on 06/17/2008 00:28:46
Just got done watching the KO segment that featured Matt Lauer's interview with Luke Russert. Damn. What a tribute to a father. His boy is a true man... what a wonderful son.

Comment by Raine on 06/17/2008 00:33:33
OMG.. Bush playing basketball on Countdown.... Puhleez.



BAD choice considering the love of the b'ball that Barack has...





ok, back to the couch...

Comment by Random on 06/17/2008 00:34:18
...Okay...I thought i was Random...

course, i'm watching Bones.

Comment by Mondobubba on 06/17/2008 00:34:43
Quote by Raine:

Just got done watching the KO segment that featured Matt Lauer's interview with Luke Russert. Damn. What a tribute to a father. His boy is a true man... what a wonderful son.




Ain't he though? He looks a lot like his dad. When I saw that picture of him checking out Russert's chair, I thought it was TR, not LR.

Comment by Mondobubba on 06/17/2008 00:36:45
Quote by Raine:

OMG.. Bush playing basketball on Countdown.... Puhleez.



BAD choice considering the love of the b'ball that Barack has...





ok, back to the couch...






Is it possible everything that he does is totally embarrassing?

Comment by m-hadley on 06/17/2008 00:46:03
Quote by Random:

ah...Raine.

You know Random is a constant lurker.




Random,

That's kinda creepy - you're always online??? Just wondering...

I guess it is kinda nice to know that you're never alone :P

Cheers,

mfaye



Comment by Raine on 06/17/2008 00:47:24
Quote by Mondobubba:

Quote by Raine:

OMG.. Bush playing basketball on Countdown.... Puhleez.



BAD choice considering the love of the b'ball that Barack has...





ok, back to the couch...






Is it possible everything that he does is totally embarrassing?
I could handle embarrassing if it wasn't so damn incompetant.



You did hear about him checking out Sarkosy's (sp) wife right? he said that he made a fine choice of a woman.



Google, it you will get my drift.



Comment by Random on 06/17/2008 00:54:36
Quote by m-hadley:

Quote by Random:

ah...Raine.

You know Random is a constant lurker.




Random,

That's kinda creepy - you're always online??? Just wondering...

I guess it is kinda nice to know that you're never alone :P

Cheers,

mfaye



Random is a slave to the internets.

Eh...I'm always at a computer, creepy, ain't it.

Comment by TriSec on 06/17/2008 00:56:37






Comment by Random on 06/17/2008 01:02:38
Ah...man, i love me that bit.

Comment by Mondobubba on 06/17/2008 01:06:38
Quote by TriSec:











:spit: :rofl: Priceless!

Comment by Raine on 06/17/2008 01:10:43
Quote by Random:

Quote by m-hadley:

Quote by Random:

ah...Raine.

You know Random is a constant lurker.




Random,

That's kinda creepy - you're always online??? Just wondering...

I guess it is kinda nice to know that you're never alone :P

Cheers,

mfaye



Random is a slave to the internets.

Eh...I'm always at a computer, creepy, ain't it.
I kinda like it... especially when we have major muses here on das bloggie.



And I like knowing we are never alone....



Comment by Random on 06/17/2008 01:11:31
Quote by TriSec:







I shall call and raise you, one bit.



Comment by Random on 06/17/2008 01:12:41
Quote by Raine:

Quote by Random:

Quote by m-hadley:

Quote by Random:

ah...Raine.

You know Random is a constant lurker.




Random,

That's kinda creepy - you're always online??? Just wondering...

I guess it is kinda nice to know that you're never alone :P

Cheers,

mfaye



Random is a slave to the internets.

Eh...I'm always at a computer, creepy, ain't it.
I kinda like it... especially when we have major muses here on das bloggie.



And I like knowing we are never alone....



It just means you'll get my random comments on just about anything.



Comment by Raine on 06/17/2008 01:13:19
Quote by TriSec:





:rofl: O.Mah.Gawd.





That was stunning!



:rofl:



Comment by Raine on 06/17/2008 01:14:57
I love Al Gore.

Comment by Raine on 06/17/2008 01:16:40
Quote by Random:

Quote by TriSec:







I shall call and raise you, one bit.



Nice. Raising with a classic... Random, very very nice.

Comment by Raine on 06/17/2008 01:17:09
PREACH IT AL!!! :clap:

Comment by Raine on 06/17/2008 01:18:13
Wow, he is on fire!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!

Comment by Random on 06/17/2008 01:19:01
Quote by Raine:

Quote by Random:

Quote by TriSec:







I shall call and raise you, one bit.



Nice. Raising with a classic... Random, very very nice.


Here's the part where when i found that clip, it was the first time i'd ever heard it.

Real funny stuff.



Comment by Raine on 06/17/2008 01:19:21
I love how he says young leader... I really do. barack is only a few years older than I am!

Comment by Raine on 06/17/2008 01:21:05
Intereting. Al Gore is the 45th Vice president of the United States of America.



This is a man who knows how important it is to have every vote counted, and he broought that up in his speech.

Comment by Random on 06/17/2008 01:21:07
Quote by Raine:

I love how he says young leader... I really do. barack is only a few years older than I am!


I almost hate to see what the ravages of the office will take on Barack. That man will age like 10+ years as president.

Comment by Raine on 06/17/2008 01:23:53
Quote by Random:

Quote by Raine:

Quote by Random:

Quote by TriSec:







I shall call and raise you, one bit.



Nice. Raising with a classic... Random, very very nice.


Here's the part where when i found that clip, it was the first time i'd ever heard it.

Real funny stuff.

No shit? Wow! it is imo, one of the best peices of sketch comedy ever.

I love that one. It never fails to make me smile.





Comment by Raine on 06/17/2008 01:25:15
can someone please tell me how it makes sense tha tif I buy a jeep I can get $3.00 a gallon for gas?





Comment by Random on 06/17/2008 01:26:07
In keeping with Who's on First...





Comment by Random on 06/17/2008 01:27:53
Quote by Raine:

No shit? Wow! it is imo, one of the best peices of sketch comedy ever.

I love that one. It never fails to make me smile.





Remember, Random isn't that old. He still exploring.



Comment by Mondobubba on 06/17/2008 01:32:36
You know the very young FDR looks like Clay Aiken. I'm not kiddin' If I could find the picture that made me think this I'd post it.

Comment by Raine on 06/17/2008 01:33:01
I love that I can watch and not need the TV mosheen.

Comment by Random on 06/17/2008 01:33:36


...The bloody title actually says "Change you can believe in"

Isn't that McCain's slogan?

Comment by Raine on 06/17/2008 01:38:08
Quote by Random:

Quote by Raine:

No shit? Wow! it is imo, one of the best peices of sketch comedy ever.

I love that one. It never fails to make me smile.





Remember, Random isn't that old. He still exploring.

I know you are younger Random, I truly enjoy your exploration! it is awesome.



you are making me feel all nostalgic about the days when I discovered all that cool stuff. I never learned about "who's on first" till my second year at College. I was like ' why did youse all tell me about this great stuff?' and my parents were like :shrug:



Comment by Raine on 06/17/2008 01:40:45
Quote by Random:



...The bloody title actually says "Change you can believe in"

Isn't that McCain's slogan?
:thud:



NO...



Comment by Raine on 06/17/2008 01:43:31
:rofl: somewhere along the way, the straight talk exprezz lost a couple of wheels....

Comment by Random on 06/17/2008 01:47:30
Quote by Raine:

Quote by Random:

Quote by Raine:

No shit? Wow! it is imo, one of the best peices of sketch comedy ever.

I love that one. It never fails to make me smile.





Remember, Random isn't that old. He still exploring.

I know you are younger Random, I truly enjoy your exploration! it is awesome.



you are making me feel all nostalgic about the days when I discovered all that cool stuff. I never learned about "who's on first" till my second year at College. I was like ' why did youse all tell me about this great stuff?' and my parents were like :shrug:



is it not strange that i'm in my second year of College O.o

That, and i decided to go with exploration then an old joke. Just so ya know.

Comment by Random on 06/17/2008 01:58:48
Quote by Raine:

Quote by Random:



...The bloody title actually says "Change you can believe in"

Isn't that McCain's slogan?
:thud:



NO...



but he says it all the time, right? "That's change you can believe in." or...something like that.



Comment by Mondobubba on 06/17/2008 01:59:14
Here is something to chew and use in debate when you encounter the Obama isn't experienced enough to be president argument. FDR served I think it was a couple of terms in the NY state assembly and was governor for only four years. That is not that much in elective office compared to some politicians.



My more exact point is this, legislative or gubernatorial experience is not the be all and end of a politician. There is all that behind the scenes stuff that you don't see or here about.







Comment by Raine on 06/17/2008 01:59:29
Man, Obama is on fire tonite.

Comment by Raine on 06/17/2008 02:03:07
BEtween Al and BArack, we have been given more substance that ANY in combination of ALL of *ush' s SOTU addee's. this is the shit.

Comment by Mondobubba on 06/17/2008 02:04:09
Here is another thing to throw out in the "experience" debate. Lincoln, the greatest of all American presidents served four terms in the Illinois House and ONE TERM in the US House. Then all he did was preserve the Union. No big deal.

Comment by Random on 06/17/2008 02:08:14
Random...stuff...



Comment by Raine on 06/17/2008 02:10:07
Quote by Random:

Quote by Raine:

Quote by Random:



...The bloody title actually says "Change you can believe in"

Isn't that McCain's slogan?
:thud:



NO...



but he says it all the time, right? "That's change you can believe in." or...something like that.

NO ... he doesn't.



Do not fall victim to this confligation.





Read this.
On Tuesday, the Senator co-opted the slogan that has come to personify Obama's candidacy, taking the Illinois Democrat's "Change You Can Believe In" and altering it into "A Leader You Can Believe In."




Please do not let yourself fall into that trap.



Obama has ALWAYS used CHANGE You Can Believe in. McCain is trying to morph it. IT was NEVER McCains. NEVER. he chose that new phrase in the last month or so. Barac has had this slogan for about a year and a half. (18 months....)





Comment by Random on 06/17/2008 02:11:57
Quote by Raine:

Quote by Random:

Quote by Raine:

Quote by Random:



...The bloody title actually says "Change you can believe in"

Isn't that McCain's slogan?
:thud:



NO...



but he says it all the time, right? "That's change you can believe in." or...something like that.

NO ... he doesn't.



Do not fall victim to this confligation.





Read this.
On Tuesday, the Senator co-opted the slogan that has come to personify Obama's candidacy, taking the Illinois Democrat's "Change You Can Believe In" and altering it into "A Leader You Can Believe In."




Please do not let yourself fall into that trap.



Obama has ALWAYS used CHANGE You Can Believe in. McCain is trying to morph it. IT was NEVER McCains. NEVER. he chose that new phrase in the last month or so. Barac has had this slogan for about a year and a half. (18 months....)





Alrightie then. You're passionate.

From where i was sitting, i was thinking Obama was stealing it from McCain to make it his own. That being said, your version makes sense too.



Comment by Raine on 06/17/2008 02:12:12
Quote by Random:

Random...stuff...



That was







AWESOME.

Comment by Raine on 06/17/2008 02:16:55
Quote by Random:

Quote by Raine:

Quote by Random:

Quote by Raine:

Quote by Random:



...The bloody title actually says "Change you can believe in"

Isn't that McCain's slogan?
:thud:



NO..



but he says it all the time, right? "That's change you can believe in." or...something like that.

NO ... he doesn't.



Do not fall victim to this confligation.





Read this.
On Tuesday, the Senator co-opted the slogan that has come to personify Obama's candidacy, taking the Illinois Democrat's "Change You Can Believe In" and altering it into "A Leader You Can Believe In."




Please do not let yourself fall into that trap.



Obama has ALWAYS used CHANGE You Can Believe in. McCain is trying to morph it. IT was NEVER McCains. NEVER. he chose that new phrase in the last month or so. Barac has had this slogan for about a year and a half. (18 months....)





Alrightie then. You're passionate.

From where i was sitting, i was thinking Obama was stealing it from McCain to make it his own. That being said, your version makes sense too.

This time i can say no passion played a part. it was simple truth.



Do you remember what McCain's slogan was during the primaries?

Do you remember what Obama's slogan was during the primaries?



I do. Only one person changed it....



Oh yeah... and I was an Edwards supporter. :peace:

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...The bloody title actually says "Change you can believe in"

Isn't that McCain's slogan?
:thud:



NO..



but he says it all the time, right? "That's change you can believe in." or...something like that.

NO ... he doesn't.



Do not fall victim to this confligation.





Read this.
On Tuesday, the Senator co-opted the slogan that has come to personify Obama's candidacy, taking the Illinois Democrat's "Change You Can Believe In" and altering it into "A Leader You Can Believe In."




Please do not let yourself fall into that trap.



Obama has ALWAYS used CHANGE You Can Believe in. McCain is trying to morph it. IT was NEVER McCains. NEVER. he chose that new phrase in the last month or so. Barac has had this slogan for about a year and a half. (18 months....)





Alrightie then. You're passionate.

From where i was sitting, i was thinking Obama was stealing it from McCain to make it his own. That being said, your version makes sense too.

This time i can say no passion played a part. it was simple truth.



Do you remember what McCain's slogan was during the primaries?

Do you remember what Obama's slogan was during the primaries?



I do. Only one person changed it....



Oh yeah... and I was an Edwards supporter. :peace:


Rightio.

I'm just going to go into the corner now.



Comment by Raine on 06/17/2008 02:35:02
http://graphics8.nytimes.com/images/2008/06/16/us/17obama_650.jpg


Next up, Hillary Clinton...



AND, HOPEFULLY.. BIll Clinton. (it is not lost on me that he he not endorsed Barack, BTw)

Comment by Raine on 06/17/2008 02:52:47
I gotta say. I am loving Chris Hitchens and Lizz on the SPAN!!!

Comment by livingonli on 06/17/2008 02:58:20
Hi folks. I'm home. It was a nice little evening with my friends/coworkers at the Cheesecake Factory although there were 2 no shows. I think one was trapped in the salt mine and the other wussed out because of the weather.



On the way home I was able to listen to the first hour of Mike Malloy using the buffer on the Sirius machine, I was able to listen from the beginning and skip the commercials. He opened with the ugly Michael Reagan comments and he will post the audio on his web site after the program. What's even scarier is that when he got into an argument with a caller for suggesting we should drop hand grenades in baby cribs he concluded by saying that there will only be peace in the Middle East if they are all killed. Now, how different is this rhetoric from what Hitler said about the Jews?



Also, Berlusconi wants to have military troops assist in police duties in Italian cities. Sounds like he is establishing his full blown Fascist credentials by bringing back things they way they were under Mussolini.

Comment by livingonli on 06/17/2008 03:21:19
I finally get home and no one talks to me. Harrumph.



:collapses on fainting couch:

Comment by livingonli on 06/17/2008 03:38:53
Mike Malloy is replaying the Michael Reagan "kill the babies" call.

Comment by livingonli on 06/17/2008 03:48:53
Did I just muse?

Comment by livingonli on 06/17/2008 05:21:41
None of the YouTube clips play past 2 seconds tonight.



So much for late night video theater.



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