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No One Would Have Cared.
Author: Raine
Date: 04/30/2015 13:08:39
'Hiring more cops to cure crime is like hiring more ambulances to cure cancer'
Two years ago, Bob and I took a trip to the city of Philadelphia. It was a lovely time. When we left for home, we wanted to go see the famous Boat House Row. We took a few turns and found ourselves in an alternate universe. I would later learn that we had driven thru what is known as the Philadelphia Badlands.
I lived in Manhattan in the 1980's, I had been to Brooklyn and the Bronx and had seen "The Ghetto" — I had never seen anything like what I saw that afternoon in North Philadelphia. House after house that looked like this:
We were. We drove through what is generally known as an open air drug market. Law enforcement turns its eye to it. We drove across the 'tracks' This is an area of a major city that everyone has just given up on. it is literally libertarianism on drugs. It was a real life version of the Wire's episode titled New Hamsterdamn. The problem though, the wire looked beautiful compared to what we saw.
Two years later and I can not shake the soul crushing feeling I got when we entered that bizarre and tragic neighborhood. Watching what happened in Baltimore brought that feeling back stronger than ever. I asked myself, what if Freddie Gray lived in the Badlands and not West Baltimore?
I would say to you, nothing. There would be no riot. There would be no protest. There would be no mother caught on film smacking her son around and dragging him home. The dead body would be taken away and people would shoot up to further numb the pain on their front stoop, or in one of the vacant crumbling former homes that were now inhabited with the forgotten souls of the city. No one cares about what happens in this area of North Philly.
That neighborhood that we drove through was void of any hope, redemption or change. They have given up, the city has given up and no one cares. These are the people that society throws away.
I do not condone violence, but I seek to understand the causes of it. If nothing else, I am thankful that the people of Baltimore care enough to be angry.
This is just not a policing problem, or just a drug problem. It is a cancer in our society where we deem some people more worthy of a life of dignity than others.
This is from 1995:
and this is from the summer we stumbled across this area.
I have no illusions that the area we drove through is isolated to one city. No one would have rioted if Freddie Gray was in the badlands.
and 
Raine
Two years ago, Bob and I took a trip to the city of Philadelphia. It was a lovely time. When we left for home, we wanted to go see the famous Boat House Row. We took a few turns and found ourselves in an alternate universe. I would later learn that we had driven thru what is known as the Philadelphia Badlands.
I lived in Manhattan in the 1980's, I had been to Brooklyn and the Bronx and had seen "The Ghetto" — I had never seen anything like what I saw that afternoon in North Philadelphia. House after house that looked like this:
We were. We drove through what is generally known as an open air drug market. Law enforcement turns its eye to it. We drove across the 'tracks'
Philadelphia’s police force is inarguably overwhelmed by the scope of the city’s addiction problems. “The Tracks,” a mile-long wooded stretch of shipping railway cutting across the Badlands, is a section of Philadelphia long ago ceded by law enforcement to drug users. Addicts can be found in the woods along the Tracks openly cooking and shooting drugs in broad daylight, a daily occurrence that indicates this is territory clearly forsaken by the law.
Tony Rogers, a recovered heroin addict and reformed career criminal who warmly calls the motley crowds on Kensington Avenue “my old tribe,” says, “In 20 years of using back here, I never once saw a cop come on the Tracks unless they chased somebody in here.”
Two years later and I can not shake the soul crushing feeling I got when we entered that bizarre and tragic neighborhood. Watching what happened in Baltimore brought that feeling back stronger than ever. I asked myself, what if Freddie Gray lived in the Badlands and not West Baltimore?
I would say to you, nothing. There would be no riot. There would be no protest. There would be no mother caught on film smacking her son around and dragging him home. The dead body would be taken away and people would shoot up to further numb the pain on their front stoop, or in one of the vacant crumbling former homes that were now inhabited with the forgotten souls of the city. No one cares about what happens in this area of North Philly.
That neighborhood that we drove through was void of any hope, redemption or change. They have given up, the city has given up and no one cares. These are the people that society throws away.
I do not condone violence, but I seek to understand the causes of it. If nothing else, I am thankful that the people of Baltimore care enough to be angry.
This is just not a policing problem, or just a drug problem. It is a cancer in our society where we deem some people more worthy of a life of dignity than others.
This is from 1995:
and this is from the summer we stumbled across this area.
I have no illusions that the area we drove through is isolated to one city. No one would have rioted if Freddie Gray was in the badlands.
and Raine
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Comment by 
wickedpam on 04/30/2015 13:34:25
wickedpam on 04/30/2015 13:34:25
Morning 
Comment by 
Mondobubba on 04/30/2015 13:38:46
Ahem! That episode of "The Wire" is just "Hampsterdam." 
Mondobubba on 04/30/2015 13:38:46
Ahem! That episode of "The Wire" is just "Hampsterdam."
Comment by 
Raine on 04/30/2015 13:55:12
Thank you for making sure to point out my error.
and ignoring what I was trying to say.
Raine on 04/30/2015 13:55:12
Quote by Mondobubba:
Thank you for making sure to point out my error.
and ignoring what I was trying to say.
Comment by BobR on 04/30/2015 13:56:31
Captain Buzzkill to the rescue...
BobR on 04/30/2015 13:56:31
Quote by Mondobubba:
Captain Buzzkill to the rescue...
Comment by 
TriSec on 04/30/2015 13:56:33
TriSec on 04/30/2015 13:56:33
Interesting...you know my tropp was just out at Niagara. There's two worlds there, too. The Canadian side is glittering luxury, shops, casinos, amusements, and hi-rises. Every bit a modern tourist area. Niagara Falls, NY has one big hotel, an army of tacky shops selling Chinese trinkets, and a largely deserted downtown with streets full of boarded-up storefronts. (We also took a 'wrong turn')
Nature doesn't discriminate, and most of the falls and parkland is on our side...so maybe governance, and economic policy and opportunity really do matter? It's one thing to drive into a blighted part of a city, but with 100 yards of river dividing the two, the contrast at Niagara seemed even more stark.
Nature doesn't discriminate, and most of the falls and parkland is on our side...so maybe governance, and economic policy and opportunity really do matter? It's one thing to drive into a blighted part of a city, but with 100 yards of river dividing the two, the contrast at Niagara seemed even more stark.
Comment by 
Scoopster on 04/30/2015 13:57:51
Scoopster on 04/30/2015 13:57:51
Mornin' all.. 
Comment by Scoopster on 04/30/2015 14:00:12
Scoopster on 04/30/2015 14:00:12
Actually, today is more of a 
day. 
day.
Comment by Mondobubba on 04/30/2015 14:03:05
Mondobubba on 04/30/2015 14:03:05
More to your point, what has caused this decay? Three words: Ronald Wilson Reagan.
1.Reagan used class and race to make working-class whites vote against their own interests.
2.Reagan started to roll back a huge variety of anti-poverty programs (see #1)
3.Reagan's economic policy was that of "markets are magic!" This brought in a the idea that the best capitalism is ruthless winner take all capitalism. It brought about a rapid increase deindustrialization which meant job losses in communities of color. See for example, GM and Goodyear closing in Los Angeles.
I could go on, but I think you see my point.
1.Reagan used class and race to make working-class whites vote against their own interests.
2.Reagan started to roll back a huge variety of anti-poverty programs (see #1)
3.Reagan's economic policy was that of "markets are magic!" This brought in a the idea that the best capitalism is ruthless winner take all capitalism. It brought about a rapid increase deindustrialization which meant job losses in communities of color. See for example, GM and Goodyear closing in Los Angeles.
I could go on, but I think you see my point.
Comment by Mondobubba on 04/30/2015 14:05:48
After I was done being a dick, I had something to say. Which I was discussing with my brother the other day. See below.
Mondobubba on 04/30/2015 14:05:48
Quote by Raine:Quote by Mondobubba:
Thank you for making sure to point out my error.
and ignoring what I was trying to say.
After I was done being a dick, I had something to say. Which I was discussing with my brother the other day. See below.
Comment by Mondobubba on 04/30/2015 14:06:20
Mondobubba on 04/30/2015 14:06:20
Mondo apologizes for his lame humor.
Comment by Scoopster on 04/30/2015 14:14:55
I've been of the opinion for a while now that this country needs to come to terms someday with how much long-term damage Reagan's policies did to this country.
Scoopster on 04/30/2015 14:14:55
Quote by Mondobubba:
More to your point, what has caused this decay? Three words: Ronald Wilson Reagan.
1.Reagan used class and race to make working-class whites vote against their own interests.
2.Reagan started to roll back a huge variety of anti-poverty programs (see #1)
3.Reagan's economic policy was that of "markets are magic!" This brought in a the idea that the best capitalism is ruthless winner take all capitalism. It brought about a rapid increase deindustrialization which meant job losses in communities of color. See for example, GM and Goodyear closing in Los Angeles.
I could go on, but I think you see my point.
I've been of the opinion for a while now that this country needs to come to terms someday with how much long-term damage Reagan's policies did to this country.
Comment by Raine on 04/30/2015 14:15:06
Raine on 04/30/2015 14:15:06
Quote by Mondobubba:
Mondo apologizes for his lame humor.
Comment by Mondobubba on 04/30/2015 14:16:00
Oh hell yes. I agree with you 100%,
Mondobubba on 04/30/2015 14:16:00
Quote by Scoopster:Quote by Mondobubba:
More to your point, what has caused this decay? Three words: Ronald Wilson Reagan.
1.Reagan used class and race to make working-class whites vote against their own interests.
2.Reagan started to roll back a huge variety of anti-poverty programs (see #1)
3.Reagan's economic policy was that of "markets are magic!" This brought in a the idea that the best capitalism is ruthless winner take all capitalism. It brought about a rapid increase deindustrialization which meant job losses in communities of color. See for example, GM and Goodyear closing in Los Angeles.
I could go on, but I think you see my point.
I've been of the opinion for a while now that this country needs to come to terms someday with how much long-term damage Reagan's policies did to this country.
Oh hell yes. I agree with you 100%,
Comment by BobR on 04/30/2015 14:16:44
Not just his policies, but his economic philosophies which continue to infect the minds of the conservatives
BobR on 04/30/2015 14:16:44
Quote by Scoopster:Quote by Mondobubba:
More to your point, what has caused this decay? Three words: Ronald Wilson Reagan.
1.Reagan used class and race to make working-class whites vote against their own interests.
2.Reagan started to roll back a huge variety of anti-poverty programs (see #1)
3.Reagan's economic policy was that of "markets are magic!" This brought in a the idea that the best capitalism is ruthless winner take all capitalism. It brought about a rapid increase deindustrialization which meant job losses in communities of color. See for example, GM and Goodyear closing in Los Angeles.
I could go on, but I think you see my point.
I've been of the opinion for a while now that this country needs to come to terms someday with how much long-term damage Reagan's policies did to this country.
Not just his policies, but his economic philosophies which continue to infect the minds of the conservatives
Comment by Raine on 04/30/2015 14:17:30
I concur, completely. something else I learned while researching the background for this blog was that the First Bush was the one who negotiated NAFTA.
What I failed to find out was if Clinton could have vetoed it.
Raine on 04/30/2015 14:17:30
Quote by Mondobubba:
More to your point, what has caused this decay? Three words: Ronald Wilson Reagan.
1.Reagan used class and race to make working-class whites vote against their own interests.
2.Reagan started to roll back a huge variety of anti-poverty programs (see #1)
3.Reagan's economic policy was that of "markets are magic!" This brought in a the idea that the best capitalism is ruthless winner take all capitalism. It brought about a rapid increase deindustrialization which meant job losses in communities of color. See for example, GM and Goodyear closing in Los Angeles.
I could go on, but I think you see my point.
I concur, completely. something else I learned while researching the background for this blog was that the First Bush was the one who negotiated NAFTA.
What I failed to find out was if Clinton could have vetoed it.
Comment by Mondobubba on 04/30/2015 14:21:37
Mondobubba on 04/30/2015 14:21:37
I think every city has a Badlands. Here it is Tallyrand. In DC it was a housing project in South East who's name escapes me and Clifton Terrace on 13th Street just before the big drop off for of the Piedmont Plateau. Hell, Del Ray used to be the shitty part of Alexandria not so long ago.
Comment by Mondobubba on 04/30/2015 14:38:54
Mondobubba on 04/30/2015 14:38:54
Sad news. My friend Jerry passed last night. The world has lost one of its unique characters. I'll miss you sense of humor, man. This is for you:
Comment by Mondobubba on 04/30/2015 14:41:48
Mondobubba on 04/30/2015 14:41:48
Yes, that is a 21-metal salute.
Comment by wickedpam on 04/30/2015 14:43:31
Sorry you lost your friend Mondo
wickedpam on 04/30/2015 14:43:31
Quote by Mondobubba:
Sad news. My friend Jerry passed last night. The world has lost one of its unique characters. I'll miss you sense of humor, man. This is for you:
Sorry you lost your friend Mondo
Comment by BobR on 04/30/2015 14:56:38
Every large city has a depressed ghetto area, but the badlands in Philly are way beyond ghetto. It's like a burned out ghost town populated by walking dead and feral animals in human form. No stores or businesses, streets looking like a trash dump... it was jolting.
BobR on 04/30/2015 14:56:38
Quote by Mondobubba:
I think every city has a Badlands. Here it is Tallyrand. In DC it was a housing project in South East who's name escapes me and Clifton Terrace on 13th Street just before the big drop off for of the Piedmont Plateau. Hell, Del Ray used to be the shitty part of Alexandria not so long ago.
Every large city has a depressed ghetto area, but the badlands in Philly are way beyond ghetto. It's like a burned out ghost town populated by walking dead and feral animals in human form. No stores or businesses, streets looking like a trash dump... it was jolting.
Comment by Raine on 04/30/2015 15:10:29
I meant to mention that I went to school in the 1980's and I don;t recall even the south bronx looking as bad as what we saw.
Those two videos I posted are a very illustration of it. that was no exaggeration.
Raine on 04/30/2015 15:10:29
Quote by BobR:Quote by Mondobubba:
I think every city has a Badlands. Here it is Tallyrand. In DC it was a housing project in South East who's name escapes me and Clifton Terrace on 13th Street just before the big drop off for of the Piedmont Plateau. Hell, Del Ray used to be the shitty part of Alexandria not so long ago.
Every large city has a depressed ghetto area, but the badlands in Philly are way beyond ghetto. It's like a burned out ghost town populated by walking dead and feral animals in human form. No stores or businesses, streets looking like a trash dump... it was jolting.
Those two videos I posted are a very illustration of it. that was no exaggeration.
Comment by Raine on 04/30/2015 15:39:35
Raine on 04/30/2015 15:39:35
It is official:
I am running for President of the United States because America needs a political revolution. Join our campaign: https://t.co/e7qc6g5Qwf
— Bernie Sanders (@BernieSanders) April 30, 2015
Comment by Mondobubba on 04/30/2015 15:46:52
Hot damn. Shit just got real.
Mondobubba on 04/30/2015 15:46:52
Quote by Raine:
It is official:I am running for President of the United States because America needs a political revolution. Join our campaign: https://t.co/e7qc6g5Qwf
— Bernie Sanders (@BernieSanders) April 30, 2015
Hot damn. Shit just got real.
Comment by BobR on 04/30/2015 15:54:31
I think he would make a terrible president, but I am glad he will be able to get the important issues into the discussion.
ready for campaign season ==>
BobR on 04/30/2015 15:54:31
Quote by Mondobubba:Quote by Raine:
It is official:I am running for President of the United States because America needs a political revolution. Join our campaign: https://t.co/e7qc6g5Qwf
— Bernie Sanders (@BernieSanders) April 30, 2015
Hot damn. Shit just got real.
I think he would make a terrible president, but I am glad he will be able to get the important issues into the discussion.
ready for campaign season ==>
Comment by TriSec on 04/30/2015 15:55:05
TriSec on 04/30/2015 15:55:05
Let me be the first to say, "I'm with BERNIE!!" 
Comment by Raine on 04/30/2015 16:08:52
Raine on 04/30/2015 16:08:52
Cspan is the only TV channel playing Sanders announcement.
Comment by Mondobubba on 04/30/2015 16:16:42
I do agree with you, terrible as president. It will be great to hear him be speak truth to power.
Mondobubba on 04/30/2015 16:16:42
Quote by BobR:Quote by Mondobubba:Quote by Raine:
It is official:I am running for President of the United States because America needs a political revolution. Join our campaign: https://t.co/e7qc6g5Qwf
— Bernie Sanders (@BernieSanders) April 30, 2015
Hot damn. Shit just got real.
I think he would make a terrible president, but I am glad he will be able to get the important issues into the discussion.
ready for campaign season ==>
I do agree with you, terrible as president. It will be great to hear him be speak truth to power.
Comment by Mondobubba on 04/30/2015 16:17:28
Detroit.
Mondobubba on 04/30/2015 16:17:28
Quote by BobR:Quote by Mondobubba:
I think every city has a Badlands. Here it is Tallyrand. In DC it was a housing project in South East who's name escapes me and Clifton Terrace on 13th Street just before the big drop off for of the Piedmont Plateau. Hell, Del Ray used to be the shitty part of Alexandria not so long ago.
Every large city has a depressed ghetto area, but the badlands in Philly are way beyond ghetto. It's like a burned out ghost town populated by walking dead and feral animals in human form. No stores or businesses, streets looking like a trash dump... it was jolting.
Detroit.
Comment by BobR on 04/30/2015 16:55:15
yeah - that comes close. I'd say Detroit is more "deserted" than "Land of the Walking Dead", but it's a lot closer than West Baltimore.
BobR on 04/30/2015 16:55:15
Quote by Mondobubba:Quote by BobR:Quote by Mondobubba:
I think every city has a Badlands. Here it is Tallyrand. In DC it was a housing project in South East who's name escapes me and Clifton Terrace on 13th Street just before the big drop off for of the Piedmont Plateau. Hell, Del Ray used to be the shitty part of Alexandria not so long ago.
Every large city has a depressed ghetto area, but the badlands in Philly are way beyond ghetto. It's like a burned out ghost town populated by walking dead and feral animals in human form. No stores or businesses, streets looking like a trash dump... it was jolting.
Detroit.
yeah - that comes close. I'd say Detroit is more "deserted" than "Land of the Walking Dead", but it's a lot closer than West Baltimore.
Comment by Mondobubba on 04/30/2015 17:20:15
Mondobubba on 04/30/2015 17:20:15
I really want to see a gross violation of the 3rd Amendment. 
Please!
Is there no better butt-hurt than the conservative kind?
Please! Is there no better butt-hurt than the conservative kind?
Comment by Raine on 04/30/2015 17:49:30
The cray cray is strong in this one.
Raine on 04/30/2015 17:49:30
Quote by Mondobubba:
I really want to see a gross violation of the 3rd Amendment.
Is there no better butt-hurt than the conservative kind?
The cray cray is strong in this one.
Comment by Mondobubba on 04/30/2015 17:52:39
Mondobubba on 04/30/2015 17:52:39
Comment by wickedpam on 04/30/2015 18:08:44
I think this was an episode of Jericho
wickedpam on 04/30/2015 18:08:44
Quote by Raine:Quote by Mondobubba:
I really want to see a gross violation of the 3rd Amendment.
Is there no better butt-hurt than the conservative kind?
The cray cray is strong in this one.
I think this was an episode of Jericho
Comment by 
livingonli on 04/30/2015 18:10:37
Thom Hartmann picked up the C-SPAN feed on his show and apparently Fox News did carry it. I guess they just like the fact he's taking on Hillary.
livingonli on 04/30/2015 18:10:37
Quote by Raine:
Cspan is the only TV channel playing Sanders announcement.
Thom Hartmann picked up the C-SPAN feed on his show and apparently Fox News did carry it. I guess they just like the fact he's taking on Hillary.
Comment by Mondobubba on 04/30/2015 18:17:24
I think you're right Mala.
Mondobubba on 04/30/2015 18:17:24
Quote by wickedpam:Quote by Raine:Quote by Mondobubba:
I really want to see a gross violation of the 3rd Amendment.
Is there no better butt-hurt than the conservative kind?
The cray cray is strong in this one.
I think this was an episode of Jericho
I think you're right Mala.
Comment by wickedpam on 04/30/2015 18:24:17
I didn't think anyone would get a Jericho reference XD
wickedpam on 04/30/2015 18:24:17
Quote by Mondobubba:Quote by wickedpam:Quote by Raine:Quote by Mondobubba:
I really want to see a gross violation of the 3rd Amendment.
Is there no better butt-hurt than the conservative kind?
The cray cray is strong in this one.
I think this was an episode of Jericho
I think you're right Mala.
I didn't think anyone would get a Jericho reference XD
Comment by Raine on 04/30/2015 18:25:58
Tsi is something , on a political level that concerns me:
I am going to say this as someone who watched tos of mayors all across the country who pulled this garbage. So many good dens fell for the war on drugs BS, and I need to research it, I do — but I have a feeling that there was federal funds involved.
Raine on 04/30/2015 18:25:58
Tsi is something , on a political level that concerns me:
The drug war began it, certainly, but the stake through the heart of police procedure in Baltimore was MARTIN O’MALLEY3. He destroyed police work in some real respects. Whatever was left of it when he took over the police department, if there were two bricks together that were the suggestion of an edifice that you could have called meaningful police work, he found a way to pull them apart. Everyone thinks I’ve got a hard-on for Marty because we battled over “The Wire,†whether it was bad for the city, whether we’d be filming it in Baltimore. But it’s been years, and I mean, that’s over. I shook hands with him on the train last year and we buried it. And, hey, if he's the Democratic nominee, I’m going to end up voting for him. It’s not personal and I admire some of his other stances on the death penalty and gay rights. But to be honest, what happened under his watch as Baltimore’s mayor was that he wanted to be governor. And at a certain point, with the crime rate high and with his promises of a reduced crime rate on the line, he put no faith in real policing.
I am going to say this as someone who watched tos of mayors all across the country who pulled this garbage. So many good dens fell for the war on drugs BS, and I need to research it, I do — but I have a feeling that there was federal funds involved.
Comment by Mondobubba on 04/30/2015 18:31:12
Since I am in a "Wire" quoting mood, as young Preston Brodus AKA "Bodie" Brodus said, "No doubt, no doubt."
Mondobubba on 04/30/2015 18:31:12
Quote by Raine:
Tsi is something , on a political level that concerns me:The drug war began it, certainly, but the stake through the heart of police procedure in Baltimore was MARTIN O’MALLEY3. He destroyed police work in some real respects. Whatever was left of it when he took over the police department, if there were two bricks together that were the suggestion of an edifice that you could have called meaningful police work, he found a way to pull them apart. Everyone thinks I’ve got a hard-on for Marty because we battled over “The Wire,†whether it was bad for the city, whether we’d be filming it in Baltimore. But it’s been years, and I mean, that’s over. I shook hands with him on the train last year and we buried it. And, hey, if he's the Democratic nominee, I’m going to end up voting for him. It’s not personal and I admire some of his other stances on the death penalty and gay rights. But to be honest, what happened under his watch as Baltimore’s mayor was that he wanted to be governor. And at a certain point, with the crime rate high and with his promises of a reduced crime rate on the line, he put no faith in real policing.
I am going to say this as someone who watched tos of mayors all across the country who pulled this garbage. So many good dens fell for the war on drugs BS, and I need to research it, I do — but I have a feeling that there was federal funds involved.
Since I am in a "Wire" quoting mood, as young Preston Brodus AKA "Bodie" Brodus said, "No doubt, no doubt."
Comment by Mondobubba on 04/30/2015 19:07:44
Simon can only speak with authority about Baltimore. I don't know if the way his administration was juking stats any more or less than that of say Washington DC, or Jacksonville (Both are cities of about the same size as Baltimore).
In my opinion based on what I've read, CompStat type programs and the "broken windows" type of policing favored by Guiliani and his commissioner of police, Bratton create the stat driving model of policing that favors mass arrests. Because being "proactive" is good and being "reactive", i.e. investigating crime after if has happened is bad.
Personally, I think this is a horseshit way of doing things because it emphasizes quantity over quality. Its gross child, stop and frisk made so famous by the NYPD is a symptom of policing this way. in the 81st Precinct in Bed-Sty a few years ago a patrolman blew the whistle on this stat driven policing.
Mondobubba on 04/30/2015 19:07:44
Quote by Raine:
Tsi is something , on a political level that concerns me:The drug war began it, certainly, but the stake through the heart of police procedure in Baltimore was MARTIN O’MALLEY3. He destroyed police work in some real respects. Whatever was left of it when he took over the police department, if there were two bricks together that were the suggestion of an edifice that you could have called meaningful police work, he found a way to pull them apart. Everyone thinks I’ve got a hard-on for Marty because we battled over “The Wire,†whether it was bad for the city, whether we’d be filming it in Baltimore. But it’s been years, and I mean, that’s over. I shook hands with him on the train last year and we buried it. And, hey, if he's the Democratic nominee, I’m going to end up voting for him. It’s not personal and I admire some of his other stances on the death penalty and gay rights. But to be honest, what happened under his watch as Baltimore’s mayor was that he wanted to be governor. And at a certain point, with the crime rate high and with his promises of a reduced crime rate on the line, he put no faith in real policing.
I am going to say this as someone who watched tos of mayors all across the country who pulled this garbage. So many good dens fell for the war on drugs BS, and I need to research it, I do — but I have a feeling that there was federal funds involved.
Simon can only speak with authority about Baltimore. I don't know if the way his administration was juking stats any more or less than that of say Washington DC, or Jacksonville (Both are cities of about the same size as Baltimore).
In my opinion based on what I've read, CompStat type programs and the "broken windows" type of policing favored by Guiliani and his commissioner of police, Bratton create the stat driving model of policing that favors mass arrests. Because being "proactive" is good and being "reactive", i.e. investigating crime after if has happened is bad.
Personally, I think this is a horseshit way of doing things because it emphasizes quantity over quality. Its gross child, stop and frisk made so famous by the NYPD is a symptom of policing this way. in the 81st Precinct in Bed-Sty a few years ago a patrolman blew the whistle on this stat driven policing.
Comment by Mondobubba on 04/30/2015 19:08:58
Mondobubba on 04/30/2015 19:08:58
Bobber, I think I broke something.
Comment by Scoopster on 04/30/2015 19:16:37
Scoopster on 04/30/2015 19:16:37
It's all good Mondo. you missed a ] at ecinct/"in the
Comment by BobR on 04/30/2015 19:33:36
Fixed it - if you're going to hand type in your links (or hit the backspace after pasting them), be careful not to delete the "]" at the end of your initial link.
BobR on 04/30/2015 19:33:36
Quote by Mondobubba:
Bobber, I think I broke something.
Fixed it - if you're going to hand type in your links (or hit the backspace after pasting them), be careful not to delete the "]" at the end of your initial link.
Comment by Mondobubba on 04/30/2015 19:34:39
Thanks, Dad.
Mondobubba on 04/30/2015 19:34:39
Quote by BobR:Quote by Mondobubba:
Bobber, I think I broke something.
Fixed it - if you're going to hand type in your links (or hit the backspace after pasting them), be careful not to delete the "]" at the end of your initial link.
Thanks, Dad.
Comment by Raine on 04/30/2015 20:05:52
I just want to say this, as I am seeing a lot of people using this as a way to preemptively go after O'Malley who may be in the running.
There is this.
I know that I am splitting hairs here, but there are already people trying to posit that this was O'Malley's fault.
and I do believe that we all know I am no fan of ComStat.
I respect Simon, but saying that this is O'Malley's fault ( as so may are interpreting this article) is unsettling. O'MAlley left the office of Mayor in 2007.
You read my blog today, I want something in between.
Raine on 04/30/2015 20:05:52
Quote by Mondobubba:Quote by Raine:
Tsi is something , on a political level that concerns me:The drug war began it, certainly, but the stake through the heart of police procedure in Baltimore was MARTIN O’MALLEY3. He destroyed police work in some real respects. Whatever was left of it when he took over the police department, if there were two bricks together that were the suggestion of an edifice that you could have called meaningful police work, he found a way to pull them apart. Everyone thinks I’ve got a hard-on for Marty because we battled over “The Wire,†whether it was bad for the city, whether we’d be filming it in Baltimore. But it’s been years, and I mean, that’s over. I shook hands with him on the train last year and we buried it. And, hey, if he's the Democratic nominee, I’m going to end up voting for him. It’s not personal and I admire some of his other stances on the death penalty and gay rights. But to be honest, what happened under his watch as Baltimore’s mayor was that he wanted to be governor. And at a certain point, with the crime rate high and with his promises of a reduced crime rate on the line, he put no faith in real policing.
I am going to say this as someone who watched tos of mayors all across the country who pulled this garbage. So many good dens fell for the war on drugs BS, and I need to research it, I do — but I have a feeling that there was federal funds involved.
Simon can only speak with authority about Baltimore. I don't know if the way his administration was juking stats any more or less than that of say Washington DC, or Jacksonville (Both are cities of about the same size as Baltimore).
In my opinion based on what I've read, CompStat type programs and the "broken windows" type of policing favored by Guiliani and his commissioner of police, Bratton create the stat driving model of policing that favors mass arrests. Because being "proactive" is good and being "reactive", i.e. investigating crime after if has happened is bad.
Personally, I think this is a horseshit way of doing things because it emphasizes quantity over quality. Its gross child, stop and frisk made so famous by the NYPD is a symptom of policing this way. in the 81st Precinct in Bed-Sty a few years ago a patrolman blew the whistle on this stat driven policing.
There is this.
I know that I am splitting hairs here, but there are already people trying to posit that this was O'Malley's fault.
and I do believe that we all know I am no fan of ComStat.
I respect Simon, but saying that this is O'Malley's fault ( as so may are interpreting this article) is unsettling. O'MAlley left the office of Mayor in 2007.
You read my blog today, I want something in between.
Comment by Scoopster on 04/30/2015 20:14:55
Scoopster on 04/30/2015 20:14:55
CAPTION THIS!! 
Comment by Mondobubba on 04/30/2015 20:30:34
I agree they will use it to go after O'Malley.
I don't think it is all his fault per se, he has a responsibility to starting the kind of shenanigans we still see in the BPD.
I might be beating a horse here, with the comparison to Gulliani again, but I think it is valid. The CompStat crap started with Bratten, who was Giuliani's police commissioner. I didn't see Bloomberg stopping it or shutting down CompStat's side piece, stop and frisk. I guess what I am saying is takes time to turn this stuff around. More so than the term of a single mayor or two.
Mondobubba on 04/30/2015 20:30:34
Quote by Raine:I just want to say this, as I am seeing a lot of people using this as a way to preemptively go after O'Malley who may be in the running.Quote by Mondobubba:Quote by Raine:
Tsi is something , on a political level that concerns me:The drug war began it, certainly, but the stake through the heart of police procedure in Baltimore was MARTIN O’MALLEY3. He destroyed police work in some real respects. Whatever was left of it when he took over the police department, if there were two bricks together that were the suggestion of an edifice that you could have called meaningful police work, he found a way to pull them apart. Everyone thinks I’ve got a hard-on for Marty because we battled over “The Wire,†whether it was bad for the city, whether we’d be filming it in Baltimore. But it’s been years, and I mean, that’s over. I shook hands with him on the train last year and we buried it. And, hey, if he's the Democratic nominee, I’m going to end up voting for him. It’s not personal and I admire some of his other stances on the death penalty and gay rights. But to be honest, what happened under his watch as Baltimore’s mayor was that he wanted to be governor. And at a certain point, with the crime rate high and with his promises of a reduced crime rate on the line, he put no faith in real policing.
I am going to say this as someone who watched tos of mayors all across the country who pulled this garbage. So many good dens fell for the war on drugs BS, and I need to research it, I do — but I have a feeling that there was federal funds involved.
Simon can only speak with authority about Baltimore. I don't know if the way his administration was juking stats any more or less than that of say Washington DC, or Jacksonville (Both are cities of about the same size as Baltimore).
In my opinion based on what I've read, CompStat type programs and the "broken windows" type of policing favored by Guiliani and his commissioner of police, Bratton create the stat driving model of policing that favors mass arrests. Because being "proactive" is good and being "reactive", i.e. investigating crime after if has happened is bad.
Personally, I think this is a horseshit way of doing things because it emphasizes quantity over quality. Its gross child, stop and frisk made so famous by the NYPD is a symptom of policing this way. in the 81st Precinct in Bed-Sty a few years ago a patrolman blew the whistle on this stat driven policing.
There is this.
I know that I am splitting hairs here, but there are already people trying to posit that this was O'Malley's fault.
and I do believe that we all know I am no fan of ComStat.
I respect Simon, but saying that this is O'Malley's fault ( as so may are interpreting this article) is unsettling. O'MAlley left the office of Mayor in 2007.
You read my blog today, I want something in between.
I agree they will use it to go after O'Malley.
I don't think it is all his fault per se, he has a responsibility to starting the kind of shenanigans we still see in the BPD.
I might be beating a horse here, with the comparison to Gulliani again, but I think it is valid. The CompStat crap started with Bratten, who was Giuliani's police commissioner. I didn't see Bloomberg stopping it or shutting down CompStat's side piece, stop and frisk. I guess what I am saying is takes time to turn this stuff around. More so than the term of a single mayor or two.
Comment by Mondobubba on 04/30/2015 20:33:01
Mondobubba on 04/30/2015 20:33:01
As I get ready get out the office for the day, I have say we have an excellent discussion today. Thanks, Raine for the challenge. This is a topic that love to sink my teeth into.
Comment by Raine on 04/30/2015 20:50:41
That probe is COLD!
Raine on 04/30/2015 20:50:41
Quote by Scoopster:
CAPTION THIS!!