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Author: Raine    Date: 02/08/2016 14:06:30

As I was looking over the many different issues of the morning, and recovering from seeing a human animal hybrid last night, I came across an article that helped me see things in a perspective that I wasn't able to do before.

While our two candidates are debating over who is and who is not the 'Establishment' it seems as tho they are both getting the framing of the issue wrong.
Obviously, Sanders has an interest in portraying himself as a rebel fighting powers-that-be in both parties, but on most issues it's almost entirely Republicans who oppose him. For instance, he says he won't appoint any Supreme Court justice who isn't committed to overturning the Citizens United decision that expanded the role of corporate and individual money in campaigns. Very anti-establishment, except Clinton has said exactly the same thing (and you might remember that the Citizens United decision concerned a group taking corporate money to air a film targeting a politician named Hillary Rodham Clinton).

This points to one of the problems with Sanders's broad critique of the political system, which is that he usually describes a picture of Washington in which Democrats and Republicans are joined together in a corrupt partnership that he will have to fight. There are ways in which that's true—both parties get a lot of money from corporate interests—but it's also true that there are profound and deep differences between the parties on issues, differences Sanders often waves away. Yes, Democrats and Republicans both get money from Wall Street, but consider the Dodd-Frank reforms passed in 2010. They were bitterly opposed by Wall Street, and they passed on almost pure party-line votes (three Republicans joined the Democrats in the House vote, as did three Republican senators). Ever since, Wall Street has tried to undermine the reforms, an effort which has been supported by Republicans and opposed by Democrats. Sanders doesn't think those reforms go far enough, but if he were president and he tried to expand them, he'd have the help of most if not all Democrats. And that would be true of the vast majority of the things Sanders would like to do: If he were president, he would be working with the Democratic "establishment" far more often than he'd be fighting it.

(snip)

All that doesn't change the fact that Clinton too seems to accept the idea that "the establishment" is something bad and she doesn't want to be associated with it. But when she says that she can't be part of the establishment because she'd be the first woman president (and this wasn't the first time), it's absurd. Yes, it would be an enormously significant thing to have the first woman president. But that's not because it would strike a blow at "the establishment," it's because it has never happened before, and it's an important milestone in the progress toward gender equality. And as it happens, the Democratic establishment is full of powerful women. Is anyone going to argue that people like Nancy Pelosi (leader of Democrats in the House), Debbie Wasserman Schultz (chair of the Democratic Party), or Neera Tanden (president of the most important liberal think tank in Washington) are somehow part of an insurgent revolutionary vanguard because they're women? Of course not.


Both are established, and both are part of the establishment. Trying to project the image that they are outsiders looking into this political realm is absurd. I also feel a need to point out that Senator Sanders joined an established political party to run for president. This is a party he has scorned in the past. I am glad he is not running as an independent; however, I want to point out that this idea of defeating the establishment and denying one's membership in it is ludicrous.

SoS Clinton saying that she isn't establishment because she is a woman is also ridiculous. They have both been in Washington for decades. They both will nominate qualified people for the Supreme court and the cabinet and many other positions. and IF we can take back the Senate, change might happen a little faster.

Anyway, I just felt the need to say this.

and

Raine

14 comments (Latest Comment: 02/08/2016 19:15:25 by Will in Chicago)
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Comment by wickedpam on 02/08/2016 14:22:25
Morning

I agree with what you said 100%. Its silly for them to play the "I'm not establishment" card when they've both been there so long. I get that they are trying to spin the concept of establishment but still, its silly.

Comment by BobR on 02/08/2016 14:23:45
It kills me every time I read a Sanders supporter writing that a vote for Clinton is no different than a vote for a Republican, so if Sanders doesn't get the nom, they'll either do a write in, vote for the Green party candidate (whoever THAT is), or not cast a vote for president at all.

fucking idiots.

Comment by wickedpam on 02/08/2016 14:28:17
Quote by BobR:
It kills me every time I read a Sanders supporter writing that a vote for Clinton is no different than a vote for a Republican, so if Sanders doesn't get the nom, they'll either do a write in, vote for the Green party candidate (whoever THAT is), or not cast a vote for president at all.

fucking idiots.



why am I getting flash backs to Nader

Comment by Raine on 02/08/2016 14:31:38
I just read this piece in the Boston Globe.

So much good stuff in here from the first female Governor of Vermont. Sanders is brave, pairing Socialist with Democrat. And I agree with him on the growing cancer in America of income inequality and a democracy-threatening campaign finance system. He is a bold truth teller, and I am grateful that he has changed the conversation. He makes the answers sound easy, which in turn, makes him look authentic. But the answers are not simple. The word “complex” does not win applause in a political speech. Nuance is not welcomed. “We need a revolution,” is more powerful than “I have a plan.”

I understand that voters are looking for authenticity; they always have been, asking, “Are you who you claim to be?” A woman, running for a leadership position that has always been held by a man, has to create a new persona. To succeed, she has to play the game as it has always been played, but at the same time, play it differently. It’s difficult to find that sweet spot where a woman is “just right” tough enough to be commander in chief and feminine enough to be mother of the nation..


Comment by TriSec on 02/08/2016 14:32:52
http://vignette4.wikia.nocookie.net/simpsons/images/e/e5/Krusty_The_Clown.png/revision/latest?cb=20131004191501


Hey, let's go plow TriSec's parking lot!!



Comment by Raine on 02/08/2016 14:53:48
Quote by TriSec:
http://vignette4.wikia.nocookie.net/simpsons/images/e/e5/Krusty_The_Clown.png/revision/latest?cb=20131004191501


Hey, let's go plow TriSec's parking lot!!

how much snow did you get?


Comment by Scoopster on 02/08/2016 15:12:05
Mornin' all..

Got about 4 inches of heavy wet mess on Friday, most of which melted away real fast. And now we're supposed to get another 4-7 today.

Comment by trojanrabbit on 02/08/2016 15:39:08
I'll tell you whut...this storm's gonna be a doozy. It's gonna be so bad that one WBZ weatherperson can't handle the morning broadcast, they needed TWO. WTF?

Comment by Raine on 02/08/2016 15:44:47
Quote by trojanrabbit:
I'll tell you whut...this storm's gonna be a doozy. It's gonna be so bad that one WBZ weatherperson can't handle the morning broadcast, they needed TWO. WTF?

not fa nuttin' but we might get a few inches.

Comment by TriSec on 02/08/2016 15:49:33
Just dusting now. Everybody is closed so that we can't sue if we do something stupid. (Including FallonHealth, 40 miles away in Worcester - this is a coastal storm.)

So, we'll be looking at some of Lucas' earlier work this afternoon, I presume.



Comment by Raine on 02/08/2016 15:55:19
Comment by TriSec on 02/08/2016 16:52:52
I still say I'm a better pilot than JFK Jr. was. And I only sim.

(Just ran a Malibu from BED to PVD in 30 minutes flat - VFR.)


Comment by trojanrabbit on 02/08/2016 17:56:50
Quote by TriSec:
I still say I'm a better pilot than JFK Jr. was. And I only sim.

(Just ran a Malibu from BED to PVD in 30 minutes flat - VFR.)

Carenado?

Comment by Will in Chicago on 02/08/2016 19:15:25
Well, I think that one thing I worry about this election is whether there will be a strong effort to get more Democrats in the House and Senate. I realize that the GOP did a lot of gerrymandering but I would argue that the Democrats do not want to concede either chamber of Congress.

In some good news, I am replacing a driver for a local twice weekly senior's program (paid position) and have to call a tutoring agency a bit later. (I plan to spend some time checking on teacher and writer/editor openings.)