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Another type of debate.
Author: Raine
Date: 09/26/2016 13:05:06
While everyone is buzzing about tonite's debate, there is one that is getting little notice. That's right - Congress can't do its job and we are facing yet another Government shutdown.
Everything is put off until we the American people are caught in a crossfire of crisis. From the link:
Why are we at this point you may be asking? It's the lack of will of the Majority party to get anything done. This House passed an appropriation bill in June. Now the Senate is rushing to get something, anything, passed just to keep the lights on.
Instead of taking care of business, they skipped out after the bill was passed in the House. Then July came with half the month spent in Cleveland for the Convention and all of August they took off. Seriously, take a look at the 2016 Senate Schedule. They had over 8 weeks out of session while the House bill just sat there.
So here we are, again. Governance by Crisis. We absolutely need to make some serious changes in the House and the Senate, Vote Blue -- there is very little to debate about that.
I am sick and tired of Republicans inability to take care of business in any sort of responsible, adult manner.
and 
Raine
Everything is put off until we the American people are caught in a crossfire of crisis. From the link:
But he (President Obama) urged lawmakers to come up with a stopgap that can pass both chambers and garner Obama's signature without using all remaining days before the government would run out of money.
McConnell, a Kentucky Republican, got the gears turning Sept. 22 for a key procedural vote Tuesday afternoon to stop a potential filibuster of the Republican spending package that's generally clean, but leaves by the wayside emergency funding for the lead-plagued water crisis in Flint, Michigan.
The inclusion of what Republicans described as a "down payment" on supplemental aid to flood-ravaged communities in Louisiana but not the Flint money drew the ire of Michigan Democrats, and it appears to be a key to Democratic opposition in the Senate.
(snip)
As the release of McConnell's plan was imminent, Reid seemed particularly critical of the continuation of language in current appropriations law that blocks the Securities and Exchange Commission from compelling companies from disclosing so-called "dark money" campaign contributions.
"The president will accept no riders," Reid said. "If they want to get out of here, we've got Zika resolved. Do a clean CR and they can leave in 10 minutes."
Why are we at this point you may be asking? It's the lack of will of the Majority party to get anything done. This House passed an appropriation bill in June. Now the Senate is rushing to get something, anything, passed just to keep the lights on.
Instead of taking care of business, they skipped out after the bill was passed in the House. Then July came with half the month spent in Cleveland for the Convention and all of August they took off. Seriously, take a look at the 2016 Senate Schedule. They had over 8 weeks out of session while the House bill just sat there.
So here we are, again. Governance by Crisis. We absolutely need to make some serious changes in the House and the Senate, Vote Blue -- there is very little to debate about that.
I am sick and tired of Republicans inability to take care of business in any sort of responsible, adult manner.
and Raine
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Comment by 
Mondobubba on 09/26/2016 13:18:58
Mondobubba on 09/26/2016 13:18:58
Comment by 
Scoopster on 09/26/2016 13:20:42
Scoopster on 09/26/2016 13:20:42
Mornin' all.. 
And the fucked up thing is McConnell can get away with this shit because everyone's attention is on the presidential race. Hopefully it's his last chance and the Dems take over in January.
And the fucked up thing is McConnell can get away with this shit because everyone's attention is on the presidential race. Hopefully it's his last chance and the Dems take over in January.
Comment by 
Raine on 09/26/2016 13:24:52
Raine on 09/26/2016 13:24:52
I am cranky today. Did y'all see the tweets regarding KellyAnne's appearance on TV this morning?
WOW: On Morning Joe today, @KellyannePolls attacked the 20-something embeds traveling across country covering Trumphttps://t.co/kJc7B8KOpF
— Shane Goldmacher (@ShaneGoldmacher) September 26, 2016
Comment by Raine on 09/26/2016 13:25:11
good morning
Raine on 09/26/2016 13:25:11
good morning
Comment by Will in Chicago on 09/26/2016 13:34:24
Will in Chicago on 09/26/2016 13:34:24
Good morning.
The GOP takes actions that feed into their narrative that the government is ineffective. In any other profession, many GOP senators and representatives would be fired for failure to perform their work.
The GOP takes actions that feed into their narrative that the government is ineffective. In any other profession, many GOP senators and representatives would be fired for failure to perform their work.
Comment by Raine on 09/26/2016 13:34:49
Raine on 09/26/2016 13:34:49
Oh and I read this scary as hell piece this morning -- The entire piece is worth the read, but this part, made me have to pick my Jaw off the floor.
In “Trump: Think Like a Billionaire†(2004), Trump wrote that others “are surprised by how quickly I make big decisions, but I’ve learned to trust my instincts and not to overthink things.†He added, “The day I realized it can be smart to be shallow was, for me, a deep experience.†He prides himself on vengeance and suspicion. “If you do not get even, you are just a schmuck!†he wrote, in 2007. “Be paranoid,†he said in 2000.
For many years, Trump has expressed curiosity about nuclear weapons. In 1984, still in his thirties, he told the Washington Post that he wanted to negotiate nuclear treaties with the Soviets. “It would take an hour and a half to learn everything there is to learn about missiles,†he said. “I think I know most of it anyway.†According to Bruce G. Blair, a research scholar at the Program on Science and Global Security, at Princeton, Trump encountered a U.S. nuclear-arms negotiator at a reception in 1990 and offered advice on how to cut a “terrific†deal with a Soviet counterpart. Trump told him to arrive late, stand over the Soviet negotiator, stick his finger in his chest, and say, “Fuck you!†Recently, a former Republican White House official whom Trump has called on for his insights told me, “Honestly, the problem with Donald is he doesn’t know what he doesn’t know.â€
Comment by Will in Chicago on 09/26/2016 13:42:15
Let us not forget that Stalin and many other authoritarian leaders believed themselves supremely gifted, able to master any profession. That was not the case and some historians would argue that Stalin's pride and paranoia weakened his country prior to World War 2. In the case of Trump, I fear that he would stumble into wars or chose to use nuclear weapons against ISIL and provoke a Third World War.
Will in Chicago on 09/26/2016 13:42:15
Quote by Raine:
Oh and I read this scary as hell piece this morning -- The entire piece is worth the read, but this part, made me have to pick my Jaw off the floor.In “Trump: Think Like a Billionaire†(2004), Trump wrote that others “are surprised by how quickly I make big decisions, but I’ve learned to trust my instincts and not to overthink things.†He added, “The day I realized it can be smart to be shallow was, for me, a deep experience.†He prides himself on vengeance and suspicion. “If you do not get even, you are just a schmuck!†he wrote, in 2007. “Be paranoid,†he said in 2000.
For many years, Trump has expressed curiosity about nuclear weapons. In 1984, still in his thirties, he told the Washington Post that he wanted to negotiate nuclear treaties with the Soviets. “It would take an hour and a half to learn everything there is to learn about missiles,†he said. “I think I know most of it anyway.†According to Bruce G. Blair, a research scholar at the Program on Science and Global Security, at Princeton, Trump encountered a U.S. nuclear-arms negotiator at a reception in 1990 and offered advice on how to cut a “terrific†deal with a Soviet counterpart. Trump told him to arrive late, stand over the Soviet negotiator, stick his finger in his chest, and say, “Fuck you!†Recently, a former Republican White House official whom Trump has called on for his insights told me, “Honestly, the problem with Donald is he doesn’t know what he doesn’t know.â€
Let us not forget that Stalin and many other authoritarian leaders believed themselves supremely gifted, able to master any profession. That was not the case and some historians would argue that Stalin's pride and paranoia weakened his country prior to World War 2. In the case of Trump, I fear that he would stumble into wars or chose to use nuclear weapons against ISIL and provoke a Third World War.
Comment by Mondobubba on 09/26/2016 13:50:27
Donald Trump, the poster child for the Dunning Kruger Effect.
Mondobubba on 09/26/2016 13:50:27
Quote by Raine:
Oh and I read this scary as hell piece this morning -- The entire piece is worth the read, but this part, made me have to pick my Jaw off the floor.In “Trump: Think Like a Billionaire†(2004), Trump wrote that others “are surprised by how quickly I make big decisions, but I’ve learned to trust my instincts and not to overthink things.†He added, “The day I realized it can be smart to be shallow was, for me, a deep experience.†He prides himself on vengeance and suspicion. “If you do not get even, you are just a schmuck!†he wrote, in 2007. “Be paranoid,†he said in 2000.
For many years, Trump has expressed curiosity about nuclear weapons. In 1984, still in his thirties, he told the Washington Post that he wanted to negotiate nuclear treaties with the Soviets. “It would take an hour and a half to learn everything there is to learn about missiles,†he said. “I think I know most of it anyway.†According to Bruce G. Blair, a research scholar at the Program on Science and Global Security, at Princeton, Trump encountered a U.S. nuclear-arms negotiator at a reception in 1990 and offered advice on how to cut a “terrific†deal with a Soviet counterpart. Trump told him to arrive late, stand over the Soviet negotiator, stick his finger in his chest, and say, “Fuck you!†Recently, a former Republican White House official whom Trump has called on for his insights told me, “Honestly, the problem with Donald is he doesn’t know what he doesn’t know.â€
Donald Trump, the poster child for the Dunning Kruger Effect.
Comment by Raine on 09/26/2016 13:58:27
Funny you mention that.
I read this as well this morning!
Raine on 09/26/2016 13:58:27
Quote by Mondobubba:Quote by Raine:
Oh and I read this scary as hell piece this morning -- The entire piece is worth the read, but this part, made me have to pick my Jaw off the floor.In “Trump: Think Like a Billionaire†(2004), Trump wrote that others “are surprised by how quickly I make big decisions, but I’ve learned to trust my instincts and not to overthink things.†He added, “The day I realized it can be smart to be shallow was, for me, a deep experience.†He prides himself on vengeance and suspicion. “If you do not get even, you are just a schmuck!†he wrote, in 2007. “Be paranoid,†he said in 2000.
For many years, Trump has expressed curiosity about nuclear weapons. In 1984, still in his thirties, he told the Washington Post that he wanted to negotiate nuclear treaties with the Soviets. “It would take an hour and a half to learn everything there is to learn about missiles,†he said. “I think I know most of it anyway.†According to Bruce G. Blair, a research scholar at the Program on Science and Global Security, at Princeton, Trump encountered a U.S. nuclear-arms negotiator at a reception in 1990 and offered advice on how to cut a “terrific†deal with a Soviet counterpart. Trump told him to arrive late, stand over the Soviet negotiator, stick his finger in his chest, and say, “Fuck you!†Recently, a former Republican White House official whom Trump has called on for his insights told me, “Honestly, the problem with Donald is he doesn’t know what he doesn’t know.â€
Donald Trump, the poster child for the Dunning Kruger Effect.
I read this as well this morning!
Comment by Scoopster on 09/26/2016 14:05:21
Scoopster on 09/26/2016 14:05:21
What the fuck.. I just saw this - apparently someone is making up fliers and leaving them on people's doorsteps in Wareham, MA:
Comment by 
wickedpam on 09/26/2016 14:13:23
wickedpam on 09/26/2016 14:13:23
Morning 
Saw 538 yesterday - how the hell is Hillary now only got a 56% chance of winning?! This is terrifying!
Saw 538 yesterday - how the hell is Hillary now only got a 56% chance of winning?! This is terrifying!
Comment by Raine on 09/26/2016 14:36:29
BLOG ANNOUNCEMENT:
I have invited The members of the TUTN listening (AKA TURNIPS!) audience to join us for a debate blog tonite.
For those not wanting to watch the Debate, I want to suggest every give our TrojanRabbit a listen while he does Pauls Memory Bank Radio show this evening.
Raine on 09/26/2016 14:36:29
I have invited The members of the TUTN listening (AKA TURNIPS!) audience to join us for a debate blog tonite.
For those not wanting to watch the Debate, I want to suggest every give our TrojanRabbit a listen while he does Pauls Memory Bank Radio show this evening.
Comment by Raine on 09/26/2016 14:37:08
Raine on 09/26/2016 14:37:08
Quote by Scoopster:
What the fuck.. I just saw this - apparently someone is making up fliers and leaving them on people's doorsteps in Wareham, MA:
Comment by Mondobubba on 09/26/2016 14:38:42
I run in a lot of skeptic/rationalist/anti-vax/pro-science groups on FB. Anti-vaxxers are walking talking examples of Dunning Kruger.
Mondobubba on 09/26/2016 14:38:42
Quote by Raine:Funny you mention that.Quote by Mondobubba:Quote by Raine:
Oh and I read this scary as hell piece this morning -- The entire piece is worth the read, but this part, made me have to pick my Jaw off the floor.In “Trump: Think Like a Billionaire†(2004), Trump wrote that others “are surprised by how quickly I make big decisions, but I’ve learned to trust my instincts and not to overthink things.†He added, “The day I realized it can be smart to be shallow was, for me, a deep experience.†He prides himself on vengeance and suspicion. “If you do not get even, you are just a schmuck!†he wrote, in 2007. “Be paranoid,†he said in 2000.
For many years, Trump has expressed curiosity about nuclear weapons. In 1984, still in his thirties, he told the Washington Post that he wanted to negotiate nuclear treaties with the Soviets. “It would take an hour and a half to learn everything there is to learn about missiles,†he said. “I think I know most of it anyway.†According to Bruce G. Blair, a research scholar at the Program on Science and Global Security, at Princeton, Trump encountered a U.S. nuclear-arms negotiator at a reception in 1990 and offered advice on how to cut a “terrific†deal with a Soviet counterpart. Trump told him to arrive late, stand over the Soviet negotiator, stick his finger in his chest, and say, “Fuck you!†Recently, a former Republican White House official whom Trump has called on for his insights told me, “Honestly, the problem with Donald is he doesn’t know what he doesn’t know.â€
Donald Trump, the poster child for the Dunning Kruger Effect.
I read this as well this morning!
I run in a lot of skeptic/rationalist/anti-vax/pro-science groups on FB. Anti-vaxxers are walking talking examples of Dunning Kruger.
Comment by Mondobubba on 09/26/2016 15:18:38
Could be part of Nimble America's shit posting campaign.
Mondobubba on 09/26/2016 15:18:38
Quote by Scoopster:
What the fuck.. I just saw this - apparently someone is making up fliers and leaving them on people's doorsteps in Wareham, MA:
Could be part of Nimble America's shit posting campaign.
Comment by 
livingonli on 09/26/2016 16:28:01
livingonli on 09/26/2016 16:28:01
Hillary has to crush Trump in the debate tonight. Since I will be at work, I will be DVRing it tonight. I am scared of a Trump presidency, and the disaster it will entail that I may leave the country if Trump wins.
Comment by livingonli on 09/26/2016 18:38:22
livingonli on 09/26/2016 18:38:22
Bloomberg will be running fact check during the whole debate. I will have to DVR that telecast.
Comment by Francie57 on 09/26/2016 21:00:17
This Congress is deplorable and despicable! We need to vote the bums out!!!
Comment by Raine on 09/26/2016 21:18:06
FRANCIE!
Hey there babes! WElcome to 4F!
Raine on 09/26/2016 21:18:06
Quote by Francie57:
This Congress is deplorable and despicable! We need to vote the bums out!!!
FRANCIE!
Hey there babes! WElcome to 4F!
Comment by 
clintster on 09/26/2016 21:55:14
clintster on 09/26/2016 21:55:14
Hey all. I'm sacrificing watching WWE Raw tonight to watch with y'all. Although with Trump involved, it may be hard to tell the difference.
Comment by clintster on 09/26/2016 22:08:50
clintster on 09/26/2016 22:08:50
BTW, with all the horse race talk in the media, and what I expect will be a "declared win" for Trump post-debate, let me remind everyone what the polls were saying after the first debate in 2012:
Romney Narrows Gap http://www.gallup.com/poll/157907/romney-narrows-vote-gap-historic-debate-win.aspx
Romney 50% Obama 46% http://www.gallup.com/poll/158048/romney-obama-among-likely-voters.aspx
Don't let the bookies get to you.
Romney Narrows Gap http://www.gallup.com/poll/157907/romney-narrows-vote-gap-historic-debate-win.aspx
Romney 50% Obama 46% http://www.gallup.com/poll/158048/romney-obama-among-likely-voters.aspx
Don't let the bookies get to you.
Comment by Raine on 09/26/2016 23:13:32
WWE doesn't have Raine and Bob hugs!
Raine on 09/26/2016 23:13:32
Quote by clintster:
Hey all. I'm sacrificing watching WWE Raw tonight to watch with y'all. Although with Trump involved, it may be hard to tell the difference.
WWE doesn't have Raine and Bob hugs!
Comment by clintster on 09/26/2016 23:18:19
This is true.
clintster on 09/26/2016 23:18:19
Quote by Raine:Quote by clintster:
Hey all. I'm sacrificing watching WWE Raw tonight to watch with y'all. Although with Trump involved, it may be hard to tell the difference.
This is true.
Comment by clintster on 09/27/2016 00:15:43
Now we just need audiocons of the "IT'S TOO MUCH" AND "NOOOOO! IT'S STUPID!!!" drops. :)
clintster on 09/27/2016 00:15:43
Quote by Raine:Quote by Francie57:
This Congress is deplorable and despicable! We need to vote the bums out!!!
FRANCIE!
Hey there babes! WElcome to 4F!
Now we just need audiocons of the "IT'S TOO MUCH" AND "NOOOOO! IT'S STUPID!!!" drops. :)
Comment by Raine on 09/27/2016 00:19:13
I bet I could ask a man about that and get them for the next debate!
Raine on 09/27/2016 00:19:13
Quote by clintster:Quote by Raine:Quote by Francie57:
This Congress is deplorable and despicable! We need to vote the bums out!!!
FRANCIE!
Hey there babes! WElcome to 4F!
Now we just need audiocons of the "IT'S TOO MUCH" AND "NOOOOO! IT'S STUPID!!!" drops. :)
Comment by TomShafShafer on 09/27/2016 00:21:43
Hi, y'all. I'll be watching debate coverage on PBS (one of the few over-the-air channels I have). I'm using my phone sonI can couch-chat. But, it's slow typing. Don't expect too many comments from me tonight.
Comment by clintster on 09/27/2016 00:25:54
Good call. I know that the ink has been spilled on Bloomberg running live fact-checking tonight, but apparently PBS is doing it too. Just waiting for Trump to announce tomorrow that he'd defund both networks if he's elected.
clintster on 09/27/2016 00:25:54
Quote by TomShafShafer:
Hi, y'all. I'll be watching debate coverage on PBS (one of the few over-the-air channels I have). I'm using my phone sonI can couch-chat. But, it's slow typing. Don't expect too many comments from me tonight.
Good call. I know that the ink has been spilled on Bloomberg running live fact-checking tonight, but apparently PBS is doing it too. Just waiting for Trump to announce tomorrow that he'd defund both networks if he's elected.
Comment by Francie57 on 09/27/2016 00:34:06
I am watching on CSPAN2, may call in later....Got a box of Spanish Sangria! 
Comment by Francie57 on 09/27/2016 00:34:36
Comment by Francie57 on 09/27/2016 00:34:55
Comment by Francie57 on 09/27/2016 00:35:19
We gots sound effects in here!
Comment by Francie57 on 09/27/2016 00:35:36
Comment by Francie57 on 09/27/2016 00:35:53
Comment by Francie57 on 09/27/2016 00:36:20
Comment by clintster on 09/27/2016 00:37:55
clintster on 09/27/2016 00:37:55
Quote by Francie57:
We gots sound effects in here!
Comment by Francie57 on 09/27/2016 00:39:53
Comment by Francie57 on 09/27/2016 00:41:03
Comment by Francie57 on 09/27/2016 00:59:09
Buckle up, kids!
Comment by Francie57 on 09/27/2016 01:13:30
Why is Donnie sniffing????
Comment by Francie57 on 09/27/2016 01:39:30
Comment by Francie57 on 09/27/2016 01:40:07
Comment by Francie57 on 09/27/2016 01:40:33
Trump is squirming.
Comment by Francie57 on 09/27/2016 02:57:21
Trump lost!