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Author: BobR    Date: 11/02/2017 13:07:11

On Monday, the news broke that Paul Manafort and Richard Gates III had been indicted for a whole bevy of crimes, including what is essentially treason. A bit later we learned that George Papadopoulos had been arrested a while back, but was just now announcing a plea deal. The general consensus is that during the interim, he was wearing a wire to help Mueller gather evidence in exchange for the plea deal.

Naturally, the White House was gobstruck, and tried to deny and deflect with whatever they could. Of course, this incorporated Hillary Clinton, and calling Papadopoulos a "liar". The presser conducted by the always reliable Sarah Huckleberry Sanders was a demonstration on how much bigger a liar the tRump "Administration" is. The following is a Twitter thread by Seth Abramson, starting with the tweet below. I've copied it verbatim, and only formatted for clarity. I take no credit for what follows; this is ALL Seth Abramson...



  • Trump has no intention or plan to fire Mueller. FALSE. Trump told the NYT that if Mueller crosses a certain "red line" he could be fired.

  • The charges and plea announced today had "nothing to do with the President's campaign or campaign activity." FALSE. And here's why: Manafort lied to the FBI *while Trump's Campaign Manager* and used his illegally gotten, Putin-linked funds to work for Trump "for free." So Trump was the direct beneficiary—to the tune of saving *many millions* in consulting fees—of the fact Manafort got money from Russia. All Papadopoulos' lies—which he's plead to—involved high-ranking Trump officials, Trump campaign activity, and protecting Trump himself.

  • "There's clear evidence" Clinton colluded with Russian intelligence. FALSE. This is false on almost too many grounds to mention. A start:

    • Clinton's camp *continued* payments started by *Republicans* to a firm that contracted with *another* firm whose sources were *non-FSB*.

    • The dossier "influenced" the election. FALSE. Barring 1 article, the dossier wasn't reported on in any significant way until January '17.

    • The dossier "smears" the President. FALSE. Every piece of information in the dossier that can be confirmed so far *has* been confirmed. Clinton's camp didn't know what research they would receive and had nothing to do with its collection. And—the FBI believes the dossier.

  • There's been no evidence of Trump-Russia collusion. FALSE. Not only is the Papadopoulos plea a smoking gun—Sessions' perjuries were too. Indeed—both the ongoing secret sanctions negotiations between Trump and Russia and the GOP platform change were the result of collusion.

  • Papadopoulos is in trouble only for not telling the truth. FALSE. The WH implies the underlying activities were all okay. They were not. Papadopoulos plead to Making False Statements so that he *wouldn't* have to plead to greater charges and *could* cooperate with the FBI.

  • There's no "official capacity" in which the campaign was involved with Papadopoulos' acts. FALSE—his actions were *campaign-sanctioned*.

  • The Manafort/Gates indictments deal with crimes in a time "well before" the Trump campaign existed. FALSE. Both were ongoing in 2015.

  • Papadopoulos had a "limited" campaign role. FALSE. He was a top adviser and a primary liaison to other nations on Trump's Russia policy. Papadopoulos went overseas for Trump and was one of the *only* NatSec team members kept on when the team disbanded in late July of 2016. Papadopoulos was giving interviews on Trump's Russia policy to Russian media as late—possibly later—than *late September of 2016*. All told, George Papadopoulos worked for Trump for *at least* seven months of the eleven-month campaign primary/general "voting" season.

  • Papadopoulos' outreach on the Kremlin's behalf was "repeatedly denied." FALSE. At all turns he was openly, clearly encouraged by emails.

  • Papadopoulos had no role in extra-campaign outreach. FALSE—he went to Israel for Trump, talked to Russian media for Trump and much else. And of course we know from his sworn plea docs that "high-ranking campaign officials" authorized him to speak to (other) Kremlin agents.

  • "We expect Mueller to conclude his work soon." FALSE. Recent articles confirm Trump and his lawyers are battening down for a long haul.

  • Sanders says Trump's last Manafort contact was in February. TRUE/FALSE? In this case it doesn't matter—because it's damning. Here's why:
    We were told Manafort called Priebus just before the inauguration—to urge Trump to release dirt on HRC—because he couldn't access Trump. The campaign wanted to distance Trump from Manafort *and the June 2016 Trump Tower meeting* by saying Manafort *could not access* Trump. Today Sanders inadvertently revealed that Manafort was still able to talk to Trump—and we know his subject was "HRC dirt"—in *February*.

  • Sanders now says that Donald Trump can't recall *anything* about his March 31st, 2016 meeting at Trump International Hotel in DC. FALSE.


Check out his Twitter feed and toss a few coins his way.

 
 
 

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Comment by Raine on 11/02/2017 13:16:48
Good morning!

Comment by wickedpam on 11/02/2017 13:25:47
Morning

Comment by Scoopster on 11/02/2017 13:40:18
Mornin' all!

https://bucket.bluegartr.com/a03927dd41f217eccc304b16e615c125.jpg


Comment by Mondobubba on 11/02/2017 13:43:03
Hello all.

Comment by Raine on 11/02/2017 14:05:59
Comment by Raine on 11/02/2017 14:06:49
Quote by Scoopster:
Mornin' all!

https://bucket.bluegartr.com/a03927dd41f217eccc304b16e615c125.jpg

Not enough black eyeshadow.

Other than that, yup.

Tweety called her Bagdhad Bob Last night!

Comment by TriSec on 11/02/2017 14:08:02
I love the smell of treason in the morning.

Actually, I don't.

When is the government falling again?



Comment by Mondobubba on 11/02/2017 14:11:42
Quote by Raine:
Hackers Compromised the Trump Organization 4 Years Ago—and the Company Never Noticed
The perpetrators have possible ties to Russia.


I was just reading a short article in Slate about this, but I was too lazy to click over the MJ story. Thanks for posting this!

Comment by Mondobubba on 11/02/2017 14:18:22
Quote by Raine:
Hackers Compromised the Trump Organization 4 Years Ago—and the Company Never Noticed
The perpetrators have possible ties to Russia.



They are not good at "The cyber" are they?

Comment by Scoopster on 11/02/2017 14:25:31
Wow this isn't a tax bill. Its a WEALTH REDISTRIBUTION bill.

Student Loan Interest Deduction? GONE.
Medical Expense Deduction? GONE.
Mortgage Interest Deduction? G... errr naw let's keep that one for now.

Comment by wickedpam on 11/02/2017 14:30:26
Quote by Scoopster:
Wow this isn't a tax bill. Its a WEALTH REDISTRIBUTION bill.

Student Loan Interest Deduction? GONE.
Medical Expense Deduction? GONE.
Mortgage Interest Deduction? G... errr naw let's keep that one for now.



My biggest deduction is Mortgage interest. We lose that one the housing market it not going to be a happy one, cause there's not really an incentive to buy a home.

Comment by Scoopster on 11/02/2017 14:32:36
Quote by wickedpam:
Quote by Scoopster:
Wow this isn't a tax bill. Its a WEALTH REDISTRIBUTION bill.

Student Loan Interest Deduction? GONE.
Medical Expense Deduction? GONE.
Mortgage Interest Deduction? G... errr naw let's keep that one for now.

My biggest deduction is Mortgage interest. We lose that one the housing market it not going to be a happy one, cause there's not really an incentive to buy a home.

Their plan for that is letting anyone who currently claims it keep it, and going forward limit it to purchases of 500k. I'm unsure if that means the purchase must be $500k or less, or if it means the first $500k of a purchase is deductible.

Comment by wickedpam on 11/02/2017 14:39:24
Quote by Scoopster:
Quote by wickedpam:
Quote by Scoopster:
Wow this isn't a tax bill. Its a WEALTH REDISTRIBUTION bill.

Student Loan Interest Deduction? GONE.
Medical Expense Deduction? GONE.
Mortgage Interest Deduction? G... errr naw let's keep that one for now.

My biggest deduction is Mortgage interest. We lose that one the housing market it not going to be a happy one, cause there's not really an incentive to buy a home.

Their plan for that is letting anyone who currently claims it keep it, and going forward limit it to purchases of 500k. I'm unsure if that means the purchase must be $500k or less, or if it means the first $500k of a purchase is deductible.


If its the latter then say bye bye to low income and medium low income people's American dream.

Comment by Raine on 11/02/2017 14:40:49
I have a feeling this Bill is not going to happen.

Comment by Raine on 11/02/2017 14:41:16
Quote by Mondobubba:
Quote by Raine:
Hackers Compromised the Trump Organization 4 Years Ago—and the Company Never Noticed
The perpetrators have possible ties to Russia.


I was just reading a short article in Slate about this, but I was too lazy to click over the MJ story. Thanks for posting this!
you're welcome


Comment by Mondobubba on 11/02/2017 16:23:04
Quote by Scoopster:
Wow this isn't a tax bill. Its a WEALTH REDISTRIBUTION bill.

Student Loan Interest Deduction? GONE.
Medical Expense Deduction? GONE.
Mortgage Interest Deduction? G... errr naw let's keep that one for now.


Well, yeah. I'm sure it is massively detailed as well.

Comment by Scoopster on 11/02/2017 17:15:53
I'm not even sure what to make of this whole Donna Brazile thing.

I just know that I would rather put my attention into things that need it NOW, like the criminal actions of this Administration.

Comment by Scoopster on 11/02/2017 17:31:30
Woooooooooooooooooow...





Comment by TriSec on 11/02/2017 17:36:43
Well, with a day off I get to make gravy.

Baked Ziti with meatballs and non-store bought garlic bread tonite!



Comment by Scoopster on 11/02/2017 17:41:00
Quote by TriSec:
Well, with a day off I get to make gravy.

Baked Ziti with meatballs and non-store bought garlic bread tonite!

It's been a good while since I cooked up a pot of gravy. I've been playing around with a lotta different recipes I haven't tried making before, or stuff that I can freeze & store for the winter. This weekend I've got homemade chicken & wild rice soup, and I'll be using part of the stock & some rotisserie chicken to make homemade ramen.

Comment by Raine on 11/02/2017 17:47:13
Quote by Scoopster:
Woooooooooooooooooow...



The Georgia AG stepped down yesterday -- They wiped the server that would have should election irregularities in the Ossoff / Handel race.


Comment by Raine on 11/02/2017 17:49:08
Quote by Scoopster:
I'm not even sure what to make of this whole Donna Brazile thing.

I just know that I would rather put my attention into things that need it NOW, like the criminal actions of this Administration.

I am kinda pissed at Brazille.

OMG! HRC paid off the DNC DEBT!

Comment by BobR on 11/02/2017 17:58:05
Quote by Raine:
Quote by Scoopster:
Woooooooooooooooooow...



The Georgia AG stepped down yesterday -- They wiped the server that would have should election irregularities in the Ossoff / Handel race.

I am not so sure about the "Kennesaw State College runs the GA election system" bit. I am pretty sure that this is the SoS for GA.

Comment by Raine on 11/02/2017 18:10:59
Quote by BobR:
Quote by Raine:
Quote by Scoopster:
Woooooooooooooooooow...



The Georgia AG stepped down yesterday -- They wiped the server that would have should election irregularities in the Ossoff / Handel race.

I am not so sure about the "Kennesaw State College runs the GA election system" bit. I am pretty sure that this is the SoS for GA.
They house the system at KSU has been my undersadning



Comment by Mondobubba on 11/02/2017 18:17:49
Quote by TriSec:
Well, with a day off I get to make gravy.

Baked Ziti with meatballs and non-store bought garlic bread tonite!



Sounds delish. I can be there in about 17 hours.


Comment by Scoopster on 11/02/2017 18:25:18
Comment by livingonli on 11/02/2017 18:35:07

He's also transferred his stake in Brietbart to his daughters and has cut his funding to Milo. I wonder how close the Russian investigation may be on him, especially since Brietbart was taking some of its "reporting" from Russian sources.

Comment by BobR on 11/02/2017 18:45:38
Comment by Scoopster on 11/02/2017 18:59:05
A small sampling of the BOHICA being pushed on our country by Paul Ryan & the GOP

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DNpDuXdWsAA-2VR.jpg:large


Comment by Scoopster on 11/02/2017 19:41:38
Did we have Lamar Smith on that list of retiring GOP Congressmen yet? If not, that's one more.

Comment by Raine on 11/02/2017 20:00:42
Quote by Scoopster:
A small sampling of the BOHICA being pushed on our country by Paul Ryan & the GOP

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DNpDuXdWsAA-2VR.jpg:large

This is a shit bill.

I hope it's DOA.

Comment by Scoopster on 11/02/2017 20:06:11
That bill has a provision in it to allow FETUSES to buy 529 funds. I shit you not.



Comment by Raine on 11/02/2017 20:12:18
Kushner has been handing over Docs to Mueller. Breaking on Tapper right now.




Comment by Raine on 11/02/2017 20:12:37
Quote by Scoopster:
That bill has a provision in it to allow FETUSES to buy 529 funds. I shit you not.

I SAW THAT! WHAT THE FUCK!


Comment by Scoopster on 11/02/2017 20:16:08
Quote by Raine:
Kushner has been handing over Docs to Mueller. Breaking on Tapper right now.



HOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOLY SHIT NO WAY!!

If Kushner's flipped, then it's almost certainly game over.

Comment by BobR on 11/02/2017 20:34:04
Quote by Raine:
Quote by Scoopster:
That bill has a provision in it to allow FETUSES to buy 529 funds. I shit you not.

I SAW THAT! WHAT THE FUCK!

back-door way to bestow personhood on zygotes as a path to ban abortion

Comment by Mondobubba on 11/02/2017 20:34:47



I know, right? When you posted that the other day, I thought there was a Talking Heads lyric in there somewhere.

Comment by BobR on 11/02/2017 20:34:49
Quote by Scoopster:
Quote by Raine:
Kushner has been handing over Docs to Mueller. Breaking on Tapper right now.



HOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOLY SHIT NO WAY!!

If Kushner's flipped, then it's almost certainly game over.

I imagine he had no choice.

Comment by Raine on 11/02/2017 20:49:02
Quote by Mondobubba:

I know, right? When you posted that the other day, I thought there was a Talking Heads lyric in there somewhere.

Glorious.

Comment by Raine on 11/02/2017 21:53:06




This is what the Nutty right is basing this on.