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Getting Biblical
Author: BobR
Date: 01/09/2009 13:31:10
The escalation of violence and brutality in the Middle East is threatening to make an unstable region implode completely into an all-out shooting match. Jesus's footprints have become blast holes. In an area of the world that brought us the first civilizations and 3 major religions, the stupid brutality is hinting at an impending armageddon. We're at the point where it doesn't really matter who started what - it just needs to stop.
Despite the U.S. abstaining from a UN vote for a cease-fire, the UN has still voted for a resolution demanding Israel withdraw from Gaza immediately:
The fact that it required 3 days of intense bargaining for a resolution shows just how hard it will be to get anything done at all. Israel has always played the victim, a small country surrounded by hostile governments. Yet they make it very hard to feel sorry for them by their actions, when they've treated the Palestinian people like animals for years.
Perhaps it's because of the intensity of Israel's retribution. Perhaps its the demographics of the dead, one third of which are Palestinian children. Perhaps it's actions from Israel like shelling a building where Israeli soldiers put refugees just 24 hours earlier:
Adding to this deadly mix, Lebanon has fired rockets into Israel:
Iran has banned volunteers from joining in the fight - at least for now. But the potential still exists for fire to rain from the skies until the entire sub-continent is reduced to a smoldering relic. The terms "getting Biblical" and "bombing them back to the stone age" get tossed about by armchair generals, but it cheapens the reality on the ground where death and destruction affect mostly the families that just want to live life.
Jimmy Carter - despite his over-hyped failings as a president - was able to broker a peace between Egypt and Israel. Can we expect the same from Bush? Of course not. What about Obama? He said he'll talk to Hamas, which is a lot more than Bush would do.
It's impossible to help stop two factions from fighting if you choose to take sides. The only way to end the fight is to talk to both sides and try to help them find common ground. We can only hope that Obama possesses Carter's ability to to do this.
That's assuming the area doesn't meltdown in the next 12 days...
Despite the U.S. abstaining from a UN vote for a cease-fire, the UN has still voted for a resolution demanding Israel withdraw from Gaza immediately:
The UN Security Council voted to call for an "immediate, durable" ceasefire in the Gaza Strip leading to the "full withdrawal" of Israeli forces, but the United States abstained.
Fourteen of the council's 15 members voted in favor of the compromise resolution worked out in three days of intense bargaining involving several Arab foreign ministers, US Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice, British Foreign Secretary David Miliband and French Foreign Minister Bernard Kouchner.
The text "stresses the urgency of and calls for an immediate, durable and fully respected ceasefire, leading to the full withdrawal of Israeli forces from Gaza."
The fact that it required 3 days of intense bargaining for a resolution shows just how hard it will be to get anything done at all. Israel has always played the victim, a small country surrounded by hostile governments. Yet they make it very hard to feel sorry for them by their actions, when they've treated the Palestinian people like animals for years.
Perhaps it's because of the intensity of Israel's retribution. Perhaps its the demographics of the dead, one third of which are Palestinian children. Perhaps it's actions from Israel like shelling a building where Israeli soldiers put refugees just 24 hours earlier:
Israeli troops evacuated Palestinian civilians to a house in Gaza City and then shelled the building 24 hours later, killing 30 people inside, according to a U.N. agency report based on witness testimony.
The U.N. Office for the Coordination of Humanitarian Affairs report released Thursday added details to an incident previously reported by The Associated Press and an Israeli human rights group.
The Israeli military had no comment on the report Friday.
There were 110 people in the house when it was shelled, the agency said. The 30 people reported killed is a far higher figure than in other accounts.
The U.N. agency said a Red Cross medical team was blocked from reaching the area until three days later. Rescuers were allowed in on foot, without ambulances.
Adding to this deadly mix, Lebanon has fired rockets into Israel:
NAHARIYA, Israel – Residents of this northern Israeli town awoke Thursday to one of their country's worst nightmares: Rockets from Lebanon, and the possibility of a second front in a battle that has raged for two weeks in Gaza.
No armed group claimed responsibility for the two Katyusha rockets that lightly injured two Israelis. But the most likely suspects were small Palestinian factions operating in south Lebanon and known to possess Katyushas.
The Lebanese militant group Hezbollah, which fought a 34-day war with Israel in 2006, denied it was behind the attack. But Hezbollah has been suspected in the past by Israel and its opponents in Lebanon of using allied radical groups to irritate Israel with a lower risk of retaliation.
Iran has banned volunteers from joining in the fight - at least for now. But the potential still exists for fire to rain from the skies until the entire sub-continent is reduced to a smoldering relic. The terms "getting Biblical" and "bombing them back to the stone age" get tossed about by armchair generals, but it cheapens the reality on the ground where death and destruction affect mostly the families that just want to live life.
Jimmy Carter - despite his over-hyped failings as a president - was able to broker a peace between Egypt and Israel. Can we expect the same from Bush? Of course not. What about Obama? He said he'll talk to Hamas, which is a lot more than Bush would do.
The incoming Obama administration is prepared to abandon George Bush's doctrine of isolating Hamas by establishing a channel to the Islamist organisation, sources close to the transition team say.
[...]
The Guardian has spoken to three people with knowledge of the discussions in the Obama camp. There is no talk of Obama approving direct diplomatic negotiations with Hamas early on, but he is being urged by advisers to initiate low-level or clandestine approaches, and there is growing recognition in Washington that the policy of ostracising Hamas is counter-productive.
It's impossible to help stop two factions from fighting if you choose to take sides. The only way to end the fight is to talk to both sides and try to help them find common ground. We can only hope that Obama possesses Carter's ability to to do this.
That's assuming the area doesn't meltdown in the next 12 days...
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Comment by 
Scoopster on 01/09/2009 13:51:05
Scoopster on 01/09/2009 13:51:05
Morning all! 
I feel MUCH better today, though a little groggy still from the Unisom I took.. maybe I shoulda taken them at like 9PM instead of when I woke up at 1AM?
That thing about the IDF putting refugees in a specific location and them bombing them is just....... I'm lost for words.
I feel MUCH better today, though a little groggy still from the Unisom I took.. maybe I shoulda taken them at like 9PM instead of when I woke up at 1AM?That thing about the IDF putting refugees in a specific location and them bombing them is just....... I'm lost for words.
Comment by 
TriSec on 01/09/2009 14:01:51
TriSec on 01/09/2009 14:01:51
Ya know, moving refugees to a central location then bombing them smacks of what a certain nation used to do to persons of the Jewish faith back about 65 years ago.
Israel may be playing the victim, but they surely learned their lessons well.
Israel may be playing the victim, but they surely learned their lessons well.
Comment by TriSec on 01/09/2009 14:03:30
TriSec on 01/09/2009 14:03:30
And speaking of retaliation being out-of-hand....I posted a story this morning in the forum about more than 250 Palestinian children being killed during the retaliation...
Did we ever find out how many hundreds of Israeli civilians were killed during the rocket attacks to justify such a response?
Did we ever find out how many hundreds of Israeli civilians were killed during the rocket attacks to justify such a response?
Comment by 
wickedpam on 01/09/2009 14:09:57
wickedpam on 01/09/2009 14:09:57
Morning :hug:
Yeah - MGM shout out!
Yeah - MGM shout out!
Comment by wickedpam on 01/09/2009 14:19:25
wickedpam on 01/09/2009 14:19:25
WOOOHOOOO!!! We're closed on the 20th!
Comment by Scoopster on 01/09/2009 14:28:54
Scoopster on 01/09/2009 14:28:54
H.R. 34 - Pelosi & Boehner glad-handing Israel
Oh wait.. Looks like the bill's been shelved. I wonder why there's a change of heart..
Oh wait.. Looks like the bill's been shelved. I wonder why there's a change of heart..
Comment by 
velveeta jones on 01/09/2009 14:34:07
velveeta jones on 01/09/2009 14:34:07
Great post BobR. I am all for supporting Israel's right to exist and defend itself, but this continued abuse of innocent people does not play well at all!
In the meantime, the situation in the Congo gets no attention from the media at all. I guess its because its *black* people?
In the meantime, the situation in the Congo gets no attention from the media at all. I guess its because its *black* people?
Comment by 
Raine on 01/09/2009 14:35:01
Raine on 01/09/2009 14:35:01
Good morning...
Comment by velveeta jones on 01/09/2009 14:36:09
velveeta jones on 01/09/2009 14:36:09
By the by........ the Jones/Azalea clan will not be able to attend the DC event. Money is just too tight. :(
We'll be glued to our TV and then going to a party that night.
We'll be glued to our TV and then going to a party that night.
Comment by Raine on 01/09/2009 14:42:50
We will still be representing!
Raine on 01/09/2009 14:42:50
Quote by velveeta jones:
By the by........ the Jones/Azalea clan will not be able to attend the DC event. Money is just too tight. :(
We'll be glued to our TV and then going to a party that night.
We will still be representing!
Comment by Raine on 01/09/2009 14:43:47
Raine on 01/09/2009 14:43:47
I saw this peice... it was a doozy. Sarah Palin is such a f*cking idiot.
Comment by wickedpam on 01/09/2009 14:45:24
:hug: if you come to DC over the summer or another time you have to let me know though! :hug:
wickedpam on 01/09/2009 14:45:24
Quote by velveeta jones:
By the by........ the Jones/Azalea clan will not be able to attend the DC event. Money is just too tight. :(
We'll be glued to our TV and then going to a party that night.
:hug: if you come to DC over the summer or another time you have to let me know though! :hug:
Comment by wickedpam on 01/09/2009 14:51:57
wickedpam on 01/09/2009 14:51:57
MNRN!
Comment by Will in Chicago on 01/09/2009 14:52:00
Will in Chicago on 01/09/2009 14:52:00
I hope that the violence on both sides stops soon. It is true that fewer Israeli civilians have been hit by rockets launched from Gaza than civilians have died in the past few weeks because of IDF actions. (Most observers will say neither side fully honored the truce of the past several months.) Both need to stop, but there is a great stubborness in both Hamas and certain factions in the Israeli government. (Reportedly, DEFENSE MINISTER Ehud Barak supports a truce, but Prime Minister Ehud Olmert thinks more can be done militarily and Foreign Minister Tzipi Livni is against the truce, as it will be de facto recognition of Hamas.)
By the way, Jeff Farias on his internet radio show yesterday had interviews with Rabbi Michael Lerner of Tikkun and Professor Neve Gordon chair of the Department of Politics and Government, Ben-Gurion University of the Negev, Israel. You can find a podcast of the show at his site, http://www.thejefffariasshow.com.
By the way, Jeff Farias on his internet radio show yesterday had interviews with Rabbi Michael Lerner of Tikkun and Professor Neve Gordon chair of the Department of Politics and Government, Ben-Gurion University of the Negev, Israel. You can find a podcast of the show at his site, http://www.thejefffariasshow.com.
Comment by Raine on 01/09/2009 14:52:02
Raine on 01/09/2009 14:52:02
MNRN !!!!!!!!
Comment by velveeta jones on 01/09/2009 14:55:04
Hell's yes! You know it!
velveeta jones on 01/09/2009 14:55:04
Quote by wickedpam:Quote by velveeta jones:
By the by........ the Jones/Azalea clan will not be able to attend the DC event. Money is just too tight. :(
We'll be glued to our TV and then going to a party that night.
:hug: if you come to DC over the summer or another time you have to let me know though! :hug:
Hell's yes! You know it!
Comment by Will in Chicago on 01/09/2009 14:55:21
Will in Chicago on 01/09/2009 14:55:21
Here is an editorial from today's edition of Haaretz, a liberal Israeli daily.
Just get out
By Haaretz Editorial
Tags: Hamas, Gaza, Israel News, IDF
The difference in opinion in the cabinet over the timing of the departure from the Gaza Strip and the cease-fire is the sort of luxury Israel cannot permit itself at this time. Lessons of the past suggest that the more the wheels of the war machine sink into the Gaza mud (like in Lebanon and the Gaza Strip in previous instances), the more the Israel Defense Forces will get drawn into operations that cause more and more deaths of innocent civilians, that expose soldiers to unneeded risk and that undermine an exposure-exhausted home front. On the other hand, the military achievements in the field will make no difference.
The defense minister may have ordered the IDF to prepare for a significantly broadened operation in the Gaza Strip, but the diplomatic-security cabinet only approved the continuation of the combat operations at their current level with humanitarian assistance that is limited in both time and breadth. The good news is that four ministers - Haim Ramon, Daniel Friedmann, Rafi Eitan and Meir Sheetrit - did not support expanding the operation. The bad news is that Prime Minster Ehud Olmert, his deputy Tzipi Livni, and Defense Minister Ehud Barak failed to bridge the differences in their viewpoints.
Substantive gaps are emerging between Livni, on the one hand, and Barak and Olmert on the other. The latter two want to reach, with the help of Egypt and the United States, an agreement that will secure calm for some time in the south and prevent Hamas from getting stronger in the Gaza Strip. In other words, they will make do with a calm similar to the one that existed on the eve of Operation Cast Lead. Livni insists that a deal should not be allowed to be interpreted as recognition of Hamas. She is concerned that returning to the framework of the lull, which allowed Hamas to arm itself, could restore the group's military advantage, and she would support a unilateral withdrawal from the Strip, without an agreement, with the understanding that any attempt to attack Israel will be met with severity.
The two positions are reasonable and backed by good arguments, but the conclusion of both is the same: The fighting needs to stop now and the IDF should exit Gaza immediately. After all, while they are debating, the pressure from within and from without is growing. The head of Military Intelligence said yesterday that the IDF is fighting in Gaza in areas that "are crowded and full of traps, between schools and mosques."
Comment by 
Random on 01/09/2009 14:56:46
Random on 01/09/2009 14:56:46
Random Working...Random Bored.
Comment by 
starling310 on 01/09/2009 14:57:33
starling310 on 01/09/2009 14:57:33
Good morning.
Okay. I am sick of people conflating the "Economic Stimulus" with the "Bailouts." They are different things. Just saying.
And, correct me if I'm wrong but does Obama's Economic Stimulus consist of sending everyone checks? Or, is it slightly more elaborate?
Oh yeah. AND BARACK OBAMA HASN'T EVEN BEEN SWORN IN!!!!!
Okay. I am sick of people conflating the "Economic Stimulus" with the "Bailouts." They are different things. Just saying.
And, correct me if I'm wrong but does Obama's Economic Stimulus consist of sending everyone checks? Or, is it slightly more elaborate?
Oh yeah. AND BARACK OBAMA HASN'T EVEN BEEN SWORN IN!!!!!
Comment by TriSec on 01/09/2009 15:03:16
TriSec on 01/09/2009 15:03:16
I eagerly await Herr Mondo's take on the Gators winning the bullshit bowl last night...
Comment by 
BobR on 01/09/2009 15:05:34
I wrote about it just over a year ago...
If THAT means anything...
BobR on 01/09/2009 15:05:34
Quote by velveeta jones:
Great post BobR. I am all for supporting Israel's right to exist and defend itself, but this continued abuse of innocent people does not play well at all!
In the meantime, the situation in the Congo gets no attention from the media at all. I guess its because its *black* people?
I wrote about it just over a year ago...
If THAT means anything...
Comment by BobR on 01/09/2009 15:06:20
So - will you be joining us for the festivities on The Mall??
BobR on 01/09/2009 15:06:20
Quote by wickedpam:
WOOOHOOOO!!! We're closed on the 20th!
So - will you be joining us for the festivities on The Mall??
Comment by wickedpam on 01/09/2009 15:06:45
agreed. sounded more about creating jobs to me.
The new DHS HQ should help create jobs granted it's going to cost 3.4 billion and be the biggest project in this area since building the pentagon
wickedpam on 01/09/2009 15:06:45
Quote by starling310:
Good morning.
Okay. I am sick of people conflating the "Economic Stimulus" with the "Bailouts." They are different things. Just saying.
And, correct me if I'm wrong but does Obama's Economic Stimulus consist of sending everyone checks? Or, is it slightly more elaborate?
Oh yeah. AND BARACK OBAMA HASN'T EVEN BEEN SWORN IN!!!!!
agreed. sounded more about creating jobs to me.
The new DHS HQ should help create jobs granted it's going to cost 3.4 billion and be the biggest project in this area since building the pentagon
Comment by Raine on 01/09/2009 15:08:16
Raine on 01/09/2009 15:08:16
How funny and wierd was it that Dick made the announcement?
Comment by Raine on 01/09/2009 15:08:16
Raine on 01/09/2009 15:08:16
How funny and wierd was it that Dick made the announcement?
Comment by wickedpam on 01/09/2009 15:08:38
Think it's all going to depend on VRE and weather and if I can deal with 2-5 million people
wickedpam on 01/09/2009 15:08:38
Quote by BobR:Quote by wickedpam:
WOOOHOOOO!!! We're closed on the 20th!
So - will you be joining us for the festivities on The Mall??
Think it's all going to depend on VRE and weather and if I can deal with 2-5 million people
Comment by wickedpam on 01/09/2009 15:10:53
wickedpam on 01/09/2009 15:10:53
they are closing the bridges on the VA side and the beltway is being closed at the mixing bowl - hence why we are closed
Comment by Raine on 01/09/2009 15:11:24
Raine on 01/09/2009 15:11:24
:lol: momma on a segway, with the bluetooth..
Nothing can go wrong with that at all. :rolleyes:
Nothing can go wrong with that at all. :rolleyes:
Comment by wickedpam on 01/09/2009 15:13:18
wickedpam on 01/09/2009 15:13:18
VRE - $25 for round trip tickets! :thud:
normally its only $16 WT!
normally its only $16 WT!
Comment by velveeta jones on 01/09/2009 15:15:30
I know you did BobR, but that's because you're SMART! I was referring to the "MSM".
velveeta jones on 01/09/2009 15:15:30
Quote by BobR:Quote by velveeta jones:
Great post BobR. I am all for supporting Israel's right to exist and defend itself, but this continued abuse of innocent people does not play well at all!
In the meantime, the situation in the Congo gets no attention from the media at all. I guess its because its *black* people?
I wrote about it just over a year ago...
If THAT means anything...
I know you did BobR, but that's because you're SMART! I was referring to the "MSM".
Comment by Raine on 01/09/2009 15:18:04
Haaretz has been a cool head in the face of all of this crap.
Raine on 01/09/2009 15:18:04
Quote by Will in Phoenix:
Here is an editorial from today's edition of Haaretz, a liberal Israeli daily.Just get out
By Haaretz Editorial
Tags: Hamas, Gaza, Israel News, IDF
The difference in opinion in the cabinet over the timing of the departure from the Gaza Strip and the cease-fire is the sort of luxury Israel cannot permit itself at this time. Lessons of the past suggest that the more the wheels of the war machine sink into the Gaza mud (like in Lebanon and the Gaza Strip in previous instances), the more the Israel Defense Forces will get drawn into operations that cause more and more deaths of innocent civilians, that expose soldiers to unneeded risk and that undermine an exposure-exhausted home front. On the other hand, the military achievements in the field will make no difference.
The defense minister may have ordered the IDF to prepare for a significantly broadened operation in the Gaza Strip, but the diplomatic-security cabinet only approved the continuation of the combat operations at their current level with humanitarian assistance that is limited in both time and breadth. The good news is that four ministers - Haim Ramon, Daniel Friedmann, Rafi Eitan and Meir Sheetrit - did not support expanding the operation. The bad news is that Prime Minster Ehud Olmert, his deputy Tzipi Livni, and Defense Minister Ehud Barak failed to bridge the differences in their viewpoints.
Substantive gaps are emerging between Livni, on the one hand, and Barak and Olmert on the other. The latter two want to reach, with the help of Egypt and the United States, an agreement that will secure calm for some time in the south and prevent Hamas from getting stronger in the Gaza Strip. In other words, they will make do with a calm similar to the one that existed on the eve of Operation Cast Lead. Livni insists that a deal should not be allowed to be interpreted as recognition of Hamas. She is concerned that returning to the framework of the lull, which allowed Hamas to arm itself, could restore the group's military advantage, and she would support a unilateral withdrawal from the Strip, without an agreement, with the understanding that any attempt to attack Israel will be met with severity.
The two positions are reasonable and backed by good arguments, but the conclusion of both is the same: The fighting needs to stop now and the IDF should exit Gaza immediately. After all, while they are debating, the pressure from within and from without is growing. The head of Military Intelligence said yesterday that the IDF is fighting in Gaza in areas that "are crowded and full of traps, between schools and mosques."
Comment by starling310 on 01/09/2009 15:18:10
starling310 on 01/09/2009 15:18:10
They are talking about "The New Deal" so much because they are scared sh*tless that there will be a NEW New Deal and they know if their shriveled up hearts that the first one WORKED!
Comment by wickedpam on 01/09/2009 15:19:52
wickedpam on 01/09/2009 15:19:52
:rofl: I swear I can not hear Terry Jefferies without laughing
Comment by Raine on 01/09/2009 15:20:48
Raine on 01/09/2009 15:20:48
:clown: sounds so pained.... :rofl:
Comment by TriSec on 01/09/2009 15:21:35
Does anyone have any ideas where we might want to set up the 4F base camp?
TriSec on 01/09/2009 15:21:35
Quote by Raine:
Parade Tickets go on sale today.
Does anyone have any ideas where we might want to set up the 4F base camp?
Comment by BobR on 01/09/2009 15:24:11
I think we're going to have to play it by ear, based on "conditions on the ground"...
BobR on 01/09/2009 15:24:11
Quote by TriSec:
Does anyone have any ideas where we might want to set up the 4F base camp?
I think we're going to have to play it by ear, based on "conditions on the ground"...
Comment by wickedpam on 01/09/2009 15:24:19
I'd pick a landmark so people could find the place
wickedpam on 01/09/2009 15:24:19
Quote by TriSec:Quote by Raine:
Parade Tickets go on sale today.
Does anyone have any ideas where we might want to set up the 4F base camp?
I'd pick a landmark so people could find the place
Comment by Raine on 01/09/2009 15:25:48
Raine on 01/09/2009 15:25:48
Comment by BobR on 01/09/2009 15:31:34
BobR on 01/09/2009 15:31:34
Comment by Raine on 01/09/2009 15:32:18
Hmmm... I am thinking that Station we came out of last time... l'Enfants Plaza? that was very close to the department of Education. Those big red shcool house doors?
Raine on 01/09/2009 15:32:18
Quote by wickedpam:Quote by TriSec:Quote by Raine:
Parade Tickets go on sale today.
Does anyone have any ideas where we might want to set up the 4F base camp?
I'd pick a landmark so people could find the place
Comment by Raine on 01/09/2009 15:33:52
Raine on 01/09/2009 15:33:52
We are coming in on the orange line-- if that helps.
Comment by Raine on 01/09/2009 15:34:50
Raine on 01/09/2009 15:34:50
Tri. are you coming in on the train or bus?
McPherson Square also has a good number of places to meet.
McPherson Square also has a good number of places to meet.
Comment by Raine on 01/09/2009 15:41:21
Raine on 01/09/2009 15:41:21
:thud: a WAR????
WTF?!?!?! Caller is smoking... WHAT exactly?
WTF?!?!?! Caller is smoking... WHAT exactly?
Comment by Raine on 01/09/2009 15:43:19
Raine on 01/09/2009 15:43:19
OMG... This caller is delusional. DELUSIONAL... it was a WAR that played a part a BIG part in getting us here.
Comment by 
m-hadley on 01/09/2009 15:43:30
m-hadley on 01/09/2009 15:43:30
Morning Kiddos,
I just went to the University Health Center to make sure that I don't have Strep, and discovered that what I have is viral (ie. not strep), so I can stay at work - yay (I guess). Anyway, this caller is working my last nerve - what we need is a bigger war - huh?
Cheers,
mfaye
:hug: & :peace:
I just went to the University Health Center to make sure that I don't have Strep, and discovered that what I have is viral (ie. not strep), so I can stay at work - yay (I guess). Anyway, this caller is working my last nerve - what we need is a bigger war - huh?
Cheers,
mfaye
:hug: & :peace:
Comment by starling310 on 01/09/2009 15:44:16
starling310 on 01/09/2009 15:44:16
Another War? Seriously Dude. . . Another War will just mean more outsourcing. We don't even run our own "Military Industrial Complex" anymore. Therefore, even if another war wasn't a completely ridiculous idea, it would be mishandled and the tools of said war would most likely be manufactured in another country. So, how exactly does that help us?
Comment by velveeta jones on 01/09/2009 15:44:25
I saw this story, and couldn't believe she thought about selling it for $10. Good for her, though. I hope she gets loads of money for it. Or, better yet, donates it to the Hall of Fame.
velveeta jones on 01/09/2009 15:44:25
Quote by BobR:
Woman finds 139-year-old baseball card in box of antiques
Holy crap! :thud:
I saw this story, and couldn't believe she thought about selling it for $10. Good for her, though. I hope she gets loads of money for it. Or, better yet, donates it to the Hall of Fame.
Comment by TriSec on 01/09/2009 15:48:50
TriSec on 01/09/2009 15:48:50
We'll be on the Green line (as of this writing...Greenbelt has no parking for me on 1/20)...L'enfant Plaza is going to be our access point. I was thinking somewhere along the mall near the NASM, or closer to the Capitol if feasable.
Comment by BobR on 01/09/2009 15:49:21
BobR on 01/09/2009 15:49:21
Yay! Oingo Boingo (We Close Our Eyes)
Comment by 
livingonli on 01/09/2009 15:51:25
livingonli on 01/09/2009 15:51:25
Good morning everyone. 
Too many late shifts but at least today I am off.
Too many late shifts but at least today I am off.
Comment by Will in Chicago on 01/09/2009 15:52:15
Not sure, but I am reminded of a saying: Whom the gods would destroy, they first drive mad. It looks like it would be a short drive in a clown car.
Paul Krugman has addressed the myth that the New Deal did not work and that WWII revived our economy. Mind you, I think a Nobel Prize winning economist is several multitudes more credible on economics than most callers to a talk show.
Will in Chicago on 01/09/2009 15:52:15
Quote by Raine:
:thud: a WAR????
WTF?!?!?! Caller is smoking... WHAT exactly?
Not sure, but I am reminded of a saying: Whom the gods would destroy, they first drive mad. It looks like it would be a short drive in a clown car.
Paul Krugman has addressed the myth that the New Deal did not work and that WWII revived our economy. Mind you, I think a Nobel Prize winning economist is several multitudes more credible on economics than most callers to a talk show.
Comment by Raine on 01/09/2009 15:53:30
Raine on 01/09/2009 15:53:30
..not to mention... Social Security in NOT bankrupted Hannity... 
Comment by TriSec on 01/09/2009 15:54:17
TriSec on 01/09/2009 15:54:17
The 86 bus route goes right in front of our hotel....so I can leave the car there all day without worry. Connects to College Park, Prince George, or Rhode Island Ave station, too.
That's probably our best option for 1/20.
That's probably our best option for 1/20.
Comment by starling310 on 01/09/2009 15:55:30
starling310 on 01/09/2009 15:55:30
Barack Obama is to Socialist as George W. Bush is to Rhodes Scholar.
Comment by wickedpam on 01/09/2009 15:56:53
I think it was that one
wickedpam on 01/09/2009 15:56:53
Quote by Raine:Hmmm... I am thinking that Station we came out of last time... l'Enfants Plaza? that was very close to the department of Education. Those big red shcool house doors?Quote by wickedpam:Quote by TriSec:Quote by Raine:
Parade Tickets go on sale today.
Does anyone have any ideas where we might want to set up the 4F base camp?
I'd pick a landmark so people could find the place
I think it was that one
Comment by livingonli on 01/09/2009 15:57:16
:clap:
Bingo!
livingonli on 01/09/2009 15:57:16
Quote by starling310:
They are talking about "The New Deal" so much because they are scared sh*tless that there will be a NEW New Deal and they know if their shriveled up hearts that the first one WORKED!
:clap:
Bingo!
Comment by Raine on 01/09/2009 15:57:43
l'enfent is not too far from the mall It's pretty central.
Raine on 01/09/2009 15:57:43
Quote by TriSec:
We'll be on the Green line (as of this writing...Greenbelt has no parking for me on 1/20)...L'enfant Plaza is going to be our access point. I was thinking somewhere along the mall near the NASM, or closer to the Capitol if feasable.
Comment by wickedpam on 01/09/2009 15:59:23
your hotel won't shuttle you to the Metro?
wickedpam on 01/09/2009 15:59:23
Quote by TriSec:
The 86 bus route goes right in front of our hotel....so I can leave the car there all day without worry. Connects to College Park, Prince George, or Rhode Island Ave station, too.
That's probably our best option for 1/20.
your hotel won't shuttle you to the Metro?
Comment by Raine on 01/09/2009 15:59:56
Raine on 01/09/2009 15:59:56
if you google map the plaza, there is a starbucks near that might make for an easy meeting place.
Comment by wickedpam on 01/09/2009 16:00:00
On the flip side of Air and Space so that's down front almost
wickedpam on 01/09/2009 16:00:00
Quote by Raine:l'enfent is not too far from the mall It's pretty central.Quote by TriSec:
We'll be on the Green line (as of this writing...Greenbelt has no parking for me on 1/20)...L'enfant Plaza is going to be our access point. I was thinking somewhere along the mall near the NASM, or closer to the Capitol if feasable.
On the flip side of Air and Space so that's down front almost
Comment by TriSec on 01/09/2009 16:00:33
TriSec on 01/09/2009 16:00:33
Looks like College Park has almost 2,000 parking spaces, too. But I don't have to worry about overflow with the bus.
Comment by wickedpam on 01/09/2009 16:00:34
the one in the hotel?
wickedpam on 01/09/2009 16:00:34
Quote by Raine:
if you google map the plaza, there is a starbucks near that might make for an easy meeting place.
the one in the hotel?
Comment by Raine on 01/09/2009 16:00:45
Thanks for reminding me, we have to call our hotel to see if they will do the same.
Raine on 01/09/2009 16:00:45
Quote by wickedpam:Quote by TriSec:
The 86 bus route goes right in front of our hotel....so I can leave the car there all day without worry. Connects to College Park, Prince George, or Rhode Island Ave station, too.
That's probably our best option for 1/20.
your hotel won't shuttle you to the Metro?
Comment by Raine on 01/09/2009 16:04:45
600 Maryland Ave SW, Washington, DC -
I google mapped the l'enfant plaza and did a search for nearby and typed in Starbucks. This is pretty close.
Raine on 01/09/2009 16:04:45
Quote by wickedpam:Quote by Raine:
if you google map the plaza, there is a starbucks near that might make for an easy meeting place.
the one in the hotel?
I google mapped the l'enfant plaza and did a search for nearby and typed in Starbucks. This is pretty close.
Comment by wickedpam on 01/09/2009 16:06:16
Yep thats the little on in the hotel lobby.
wickedpam on 01/09/2009 16:06:16
Quote by Raine:600 Maryland Ave SW, Washington, DCý -Quote by wickedpam:Quote by Raine:
if you google map the plaza, there is a starbucks near that might make for an easy meeting place.
the one in the hotel?
I google mapped the l'enfant plaza and did a search for nearby and typed in Starbucks. This is pretty close.
Yep thats the little on in the hotel lobby.
Comment by Raine on 01/09/2009 16:07:16
Cool!
Raine on 01/09/2009 16:07:16
Quote by wickedpam:Quote by Raine:600 Maryland Ave SW, Washington, DCý -Quote by wickedpam:Quote by Raine:
if you google map the plaza, there is a starbucks near that might make for an easy meeting place.
the one in the hotel?
I google mapped the l'enfant plaza and did a search for nearby and typed in Starbucks. This is pretty close.
Yep thats the little on in the hotel lobby.
Comment by velveeta jones on 01/09/2009 16:07:44
:lol:
Yes, I doubt 100's of 1000's of people won't use "Starbucks" as a meeting place!
:rofl:
velveeta jones on 01/09/2009 16:07:44
Quote by Raine:
if you google map the plaza, there is a starbucks near that might make for an easy meeting place.
:lol:
Yes, I doubt 100's of 1000's of people won't use "Starbucks" as a meeting place!
:rofl:
Comment by wickedpam on 01/09/2009 16:10:04
:rofl:
wickedpam on 01/09/2009 16:10:04
Quote by velveeta jones:Quote by Raine:
if you google map the plaza, there is a starbucks near that might make for an easy meeting place.
:lol:
Yes, I doubt 100's of 1000's of people won't use "Starbucks" as a meeting place!
:rofl:
:rofl:
Comment by Raine on 01/09/2009 16:10:30
Raine on 01/09/2009 16:10:30
I am thinking that might be the best game plan. it is VERY close to the mall, and other things and such.
L'enfant Plaza and then near that starbucks, or in the hotel lobby.
L'enfant Plaza and then near that starbucks, or in the hotel lobby.
Comment by Raine on 01/09/2009 16:11:24
:waiting: ...:spit:
you gotta start somewhere!!
:rofl:
Raine on 01/09/2009 16:11:24
Quote by velveeta jones:Quote by Raine:
if you google map the plaza, there is a starbucks near that might make for an easy meeting place.
:lol:
Yes, I doubt 100's of 1000's of people won't use "Starbucks" as a meeting place!
:rofl:
:waiting: ...:spit:
you gotta start somewhere!!
:rofl:
Comment by TriSec on 01/09/2009 16:12:16
TriSec on 01/09/2009 16:12:16
OK, how about the giant eraser in the National Sculpture Park, then?
Comment by wickedpam on 01/09/2009 16:16:26
There's an eraser in the Sculpture garden? I really have to get downtown more often
wickedpam on 01/09/2009 16:16:26
Quote by TriSec:
OK, how about the giant eraser in the National Sculpture Park, then?
There's an eraser in the Sculpture garden? I really have to get downtown more often
Comment by TriSec on 01/09/2009 16:20:34
TriSec on 01/09/2009 16:20:34
Next question....do you think we'll be able to get a cell phone signal that morning?
Comment by Raine on 01/09/2009 16:21:11
VERY cool! CLAUS!
However... that would mean walking ACROSS the Mall from L'enfant Plaza.
It seems easier to meet in the hotel lobby where the Starbucks is. Or somewhere near there. it is about 1.5 blocks from the station.
Raine on 01/09/2009 16:21:11
Quote by TriSec:
National Sculpture Park
VERY cool! CLAUS!
However... that would mean walking ACROSS the Mall from L'enfant Plaza.
It seems easier to meet in the hotel lobby where the Starbucks is. Or somewhere near there. it is about 1.5 blocks from the station.
Comment by wickedpam on 01/09/2009 16:24:49
I hear something mentioned about portable cell towers being used, but I'm not 100% sure.
wickedpam on 01/09/2009 16:24:49
Quote by TriSec:
Next question....do you think we'll be able to get a cell phone signal that morning?
I hear something mentioned about portable cell towers being used, but I'm not 100% sure.
Comment by livingonli on 01/09/2009 16:25:32
:rofl:
For those of us who are just settling for staying home and watching on TV, will we be jealous?
livingonli on 01/09/2009 16:25:32
Quote by Raine:Quote by velveeta jones:Quote by Raine:
if you google map the plaza, there is a starbucks near that might make for an easy meeting place.
:lol:
Yes, I doubt 100's of 1000's of people won't use "Starbucks" as a meeting place!
:rofl:
:waiting: ...:spit:
you gotta start somewhere!!
:rofl:
:rofl:
For those of us who are just settling for staying home and watching on TV, will we be jealous?
Comment by Raine on 01/09/2009 16:25:45
Raine on 01/09/2009 16:25:45
OK, I am totally addicted to street view on google maps.
Comment by wickedpam on 01/09/2009 16:26:24
walk straight from the station to the nearest street - turn right go 1 block I think, cross left to the Holiday Inn Capitol/Starbucks
wickedpam on 01/09/2009 16:26:24
Quote by Raine:Quote by TriSec:
National Sculpture Park
VERY cool! CLAUS!
However... that would mean walking ACROSS the Mall from L'enfant Plaza.
It seems easier to meet in the hotel lobby where the Starbucks is. Or somewhere near there. it is about 1.5 blocks from the station.
walk straight from the station to the nearest street - turn right go 1 block I think, cross left to the Holiday Inn Capitol/Starbucks
Comment by wickedpam on 01/09/2009 16:27:00
:spit: even though they miss named the Air and Space museum?
wickedpam on 01/09/2009 16:27:00
Quote by Raine:
OK, I am totally addicted to street view on google maps.
:spit: even though they miss named the Air and Space museum?
Comment by wickedpam on 01/09/2009 16:28:09
you'll be warm and not crowded in with a few thousands - yeah, no, don't think so ;)
wickedpam on 01/09/2009 16:28:09
Quote by livingonli:Quote by Raine:Quote by velveeta jones:Quote by Raine:
if you google map the plaza, there is a starbucks near that might make for an easy meeting place.
:lol:
Yes, I doubt 100's of 1000's of people won't use "Starbucks" as a meeting place!
:rofl:
:waiting: ...:spit:
you gotta start somewhere!!
:rofl:
:rofl:
For those of us who are just settling for staying home and watching on TV, will we be jealous?
you'll be warm and not crowded in with a few thousands - yeah, no, don't think so ;)
Comment by Raine on 01/09/2009 16:28:28
Woohoo!
Raine on 01/09/2009 16:28:28
Quote by wickedpam:Quote by Raine:Quote by TriSec:
National Sculpture Park
VERY cool! CLAUS!
However... that would mean walking ACROSS the Mall from L'enfant Plaza.
It seems easier to meet in the hotel lobby where the Starbucks is. Or somewhere near there. it is about 1.5 blocks from the station.
walk straight from the station to the nearest street - turn right go 1 block I think, cross left to the Holiday Inn Capitol/Starbucks
Comment by Raine on 01/09/2009 16:36:06
Raine on 01/09/2009 16:36:06
Secret Service is taking pictures of the mooks? hmm... interesting.
Comment by livingonli on 01/09/2009 16:37:44
livingonli on 01/09/2009 16:37:44
I do remember us having breakfast at that Starbucks.
Comment by wickedpam on 01/09/2009 16:39:39
not bad ay - did that from memory ;)
wickedpam on 01/09/2009 16:39:39
Quote by Raine:Woohoo!Quote by wickedpam:Quote by Raine:Quote by TriSec:
National Sculpture Park
VERY cool! CLAUS!
However... that would mean walking ACROSS the Mall from L'enfant Plaza.
It seems easier to meet in the hotel lobby where the Starbucks is. Or somewhere near there. it is about 1.5 blocks from the station.
walk straight from the station to the nearest street - turn right go 1 block I think, cross left to the Holiday Inn Capitol/Starbucks
not bad ay - did that from memory ;)
Comment by Raine on 01/09/2009 16:39:54
Raine on 01/09/2009 16:39:54
:rofl: Pre-frying!!!
Comment by Raine on 01/09/2009 16:43:49
Raine on 01/09/2009 16:43:49
Blago is being voted for impeachment right now.
Comment by Raine on 01/09/2009 16:45:17
Raine on 01/09/2009 16:45:17
He has been impeached. 1 person voted against it.
Comment by Raine on 01/09/2009 16:45:50
Raine on 01/09/2009 16:45:50
Blago is officially BlaGONE....
Comment by velveeta jones on 01/09/2009 16:59:01
velveeta jones on 01/09/2009 16:59:01
I'll be watching the festivities on C-Span. Looking forward to the walking the EX pResident bush off the property.
Buh-bye bushie........
Buh-bye bushie........
Comment by Raine on 01/09/2009 17:00:22
I am assuming most people have hear, but I will repeat it here anyway...
For those with cable... even basic cable... HBO will be showing all the festivities for FREE!
Raine on 01/09/2009 17:00:22
Quote by velveeta jones:
I'll be watching the festivities on C-Span. Looking forward to the walking the EX pResident bush off the property.
Buh-bye bushie........
For those with cable... even basic cable... HBO will be showing all the festivities for FREE!
Comment by Will in Chicago on 01/09/2009 17:03:47
Will in Chicago on 01/09/2009 17:03:47
Raine, here is another excellent piece from Haaretz - by an Israeli living in Jerusalem and a Palestinian living in Ramallah. I may have little faith in political leaders in that region, but I have faith in the Israeli people and the Palestinian people.
One thing that is important in resolving any conflict is the ability to empathize with the various factions -- to understand, if not necessarily to share, their feelings. So, I think that it would be wise for people who find themselves in different camps to try to understand the views and feelings of others.
The spear in the heart of the Other
Is in your own.
There is no other wisdom;
And no other hope, save that we grow wise.
Playing into the hands of Hamas
By Bernard Avishai and Sam Bahour
Tags: Gaza, Israel news, hamas
Israel and Hamas are not equals on the battlefield - not at all, clearly - and when the power to harm or control others is this uneven, it is meaningless to speak about moral symmetry. But as the current onslaught in Gaza unfolds, it is sadly evident that both sides are continuing to respond to real provocations in ways that are not morally right, or even politically smart.
If Hamas thought that lobbing missiles into Israeli civilian neighborhoods was a decent or proportionate response to the grim realities of the occupation, they were wrong. On the other hand, if Israel thinks it can bludgeon the Palestinians into political surrender, or get Hamas - or the Palestinian community at large, for that matter - to acquiesce to military occupation then it, too, is wrong.
There is no military solution to this conflict. Until both sides fully grasp this, the world can expect only continuing violence and vendetta, with civilians on both sides paying the price for leaders who - because of pressure, ambition or hubris - feel that they must do the most damage, fire the last shot or make the most credible threat. Indeed, it is sad, and repellent, to hear military correspondents speak of "teaching a lesson," "increasing pressure," "making a statement," achieving "deterrence," when those they are reporting on are really trying to control the news cycle, or win arguable (and in any case temporary) psychological advantage, by killing, or accepting the deaths of, people at random on the other side.
Operation Cast Lead - the heart-wrenching death and wanton destruction the Israeli army is inflicting on Gaza as we write - is the product of just such thinking. In the first week, Israeli air raids killed over 500 people, many of them non-combatants; invading ground forces have now killed 100 more. Israelis knew in advance that Hamas forces are not a regular army; they will not come out of hiding and be mowed down like soldiers in World War I. To go after them effectively, in, of all places, the Gaza Strip, one of the most densely populated places on earth, the IDF would have to level its towns and cities, block by block, and intensify the nightmare of the Gazan population, more than half of which is children under the age of 15.
One thing that is important in resolving any conflict is the ability to empathize with the various factions -- to understand, if not necessarily to share, their feelings. So, I think that it would be wise for people who find themselves in different camps to try to understand the views and feelings of others.
The spear in the heart of the Other
Is in your own.
There is no other wisdom;
And no other hope, save that we grow wise.
Comment by Will in Chicago on 01/09/2009 17:06:55
Will in Chicago on 01/09/2009 17:06:55
Here is a link to the Blagojevich story from the Chicago Tribune:
House votes to impeach Blagojevich
Posted by Ray Long and Rick Pearson a 10:25 a.m.; last updated at 10:40 a.m.; (for the live blog, scroll down)
SPRINGFIELD---In a historic vote, the Illinois House has impeached Gov. Rod Blagojevich, directing the Senate to put the state’s 40th chief executive on trial with the goal of removing him from office.
The vote by the House was 114-1 and marks the first time in the state's 190-year history that a governor has been impeached, despite Illinois' longstanding reputation for political corruption.
Rep. Milt Patterson (D-Chicago) was the lone vote against impeaching the governor. Patterson, from Chicago's Southwest Side, said after the roll call that he didn't feel it was his job to vote to impeach the governor. He declined comment on whether he approved of the job Blagojevich is doing.
A Blagojevich spokesman said the governor will not resign. A 2 p.m. news conference with the governor is scheduled for the James R. Thompson Center in downtown Chicago.
Comment by wickedpam on 01/09/2009 17:11:54
wickedpam on 01/09/2009 17:11:54
Raine why are you taping ducks?
Comment by wickedpam on 01/09/2009 17:13:45
wickedpam on 01/09/2009 17:13:45
OMG! I just noticed there is a VRE stop at L'Enfant
Comment by Raine on 01/09/2009 17:15:08
Raine on 01/09/2009 17:15:08
Because I am Matlock, Mala. I am Matlock.
Comment by wickedpam on 01/09/2009 17:19:23
:spit:
wickedpam on 01/09/2009 17:19:23
Quote by Raine:
Because I am Matlock, Mala. I am Matlock.
:spit:
Comment by wickedpam on 01/09/2009 17:22:39
wickedpam on 01/09/2009 17:22:39
hmmm -what time are people talking about meeting?
Comment by TriSec on 01/09/2009 17:36:42
TriSec on 01/09/2009 17:36:42
Hey folks...back in the race! (lost the ol' internet here in the mines for a while.)
I don't know how long it's going to take to Metro in from Greenbelt...would 10am be unreasonable?
I don't know how long it's going to take to Metro in from Greenbelt...would 10am be unreasonable?
Comment by BobR on 01/09/2009 17:51:13
I would think 10:00 at the latest, maybe earlier
BobR on 01/09/2009 17:51:13
Quote by TriSec:
Hey folks...back in the race! (lost the ol' internet here in the mines for a while.)
I don't know how long it's going to take to Metro in from Greenbelt...would 10am be unreasonable?
I would think 10:00 at the latest, maybe earlier
Comment by 
IzzyBitz on 01/09/2009 17:57:30
IzzyBitz on 01/09/2009 17:57:30
I've had my laugh for the day. You guys trying to decide where to meet. What time is the best! If you manage to meet up after maneuvering your way around 3-5 million people, I will eat my frozen hat! 
Comment by wickedpam on 01/09/2009 18:07:53
well, if I get my VRE ticket (which I have to mail in for and there's a chance I won't get one) I can be in at L'Enfant at 6:53, 7:23, 7:49, 8:26, 8:58. depending on which ticket choice I get. I can choose 3 and I may not get my first choice.
wickedpam on 01/09/2009 18:07:53
Quote by BobR:Quote by TriSec:
Hey folks...back in the race! (lost the ol' internet here in the mines for a while.)
I don't know how long it's going to take to Metro in from Greenbelt...would 10am be unreasonable?
I would think 10:00 at the latest, maybe earlier
well, if I get my VRE ticket (which I have to mail in for and there's a chance I won't get one) I can be in at L'Enfant at 6:53, 7:23, 7:49, 8:26, 8:58. depending on which ticket choice I get. I can choose 3 and I may not get my first choice.
Comment by TriSec on 01/09/2009 18:09:06
TriSec on 01/09/2009 18:09:06
Oh ye of little faith!
4 million people in aggregate, but wherever we are is going to be a microcosm of that. I can find one Boy Scout in a subcamp at a jamboree of 20,000 scouts, I think we'll be OK.
4 million people in aggregate, but wherever we are is going to be a microcosm of that. I can find one Boy Scout in a subcamp at a jamboree of 20,000 scouts, I think we'll be OK.
Comment by wickedpam on 01/09/2009 18:10:07
we have our ways ;)
I mean I did find Raine and Bob without knowing what either looked liked all those years ago in September at Smithonsion station where not only the National Book fair was going on but also the Rally for Peace.
wickedpam on 01/09/2009 18:10:07
Quote by IzzyBitz:
I've had my laugh for the day. You guys trying to decide where to meet. What time is the best! If you manage to meet up after maneuvering your way around 3-5 million people, I will eat my frozen hat!
we have our ways ;)
I mean I did find Raine and Bob without knowing what either looked liked all those years ago in September at Smithonsion station where not only the National Book fair was going on but also the Rally for Peace.
Comment by TriSec on 01/09/2009 18:11:01
TriSec on 01/09/2009 18:11:01
I'll have to remember to bring a flag. I don't know if I have a Mass State Flag, but I've got a number of other flags to wave around a bit.
How fun is that, it will be OK to wave the flag again!!
How fun is that, it will be OK to wave the flag again!!
Comment by livingonli on 01/09/2009 18:16:04
I think I could have used that skill at that time especially when I didn't have a cell phone then.
I was walking and walking.
livingonli on 01/09/2009 18:16:04
Quote by wickedpam:Quote by IzzyBitz:
I've had my laugh for the day. You guys trying to decide where to meet. What time is the best! If you manage to meet up after maneuvering your way around 3-5 million people, I will eat my frozen hat!
we have our ways ;)
I mean I did find Raine and Bob without knowing what either looked liked all those years ago in September at Smithonsion station where not only the National Book fair was going on but also the Rally for Peace.
I think I could have used that skill at that time especially when I didn't have a cell phone then.
I was walking and walking.
Comment by livingonli on 01/09/2009 18:22:46
livingonli on 01/09/2009 18:22:46
BTW, Mala, are you going to catch Lizz's show next Friday or Saturday?
Comment by 
Mondobubba on 01/09/2009 18:27:20
Tri, you are the only person I know who when posed this question, (channels Eddie Izzard) do you have a flag? You can answer yes.
Mondobubba on 01/09/2009 18:27:20
Quote by TriSec:
I'll have to remember to bring a flag. I don't know if I have a Mass State Flag, but I've got a number of other flags to wave around a bit.
How fun is that, it will be OK to wave the flag again!!
Tri, you are the only person I know who when posed this question, (channels Eddie Izzard) do you have a flag? You can answer yes.
Comment by Mondobubba on 01/09/2009 18:32:19
Isn't that the coolest Google provided internet crank that has come along in awhile?
BTW. Mondo is hung over. I think my liver is going to fall out my body. Oklahoma University, like Ohio State DEAD TO ME!
Mondobubba on 01/09/2009 18:32:19
Quote by Raine:
OK, I am totally addicted to street view on google maps.
Isn't that the coolest Google provided internet crank that has come along in awhile?
BTW. Mondo is hung over. I think my liver is going to fall out my body. Oklahoma University, like Ohio State DEAD TO ME!
Comment by wickedpam on 01/09/2009 18:47:28
Don't think I'm going to be able hopefully she'll bring the show back in the warmer months
wickedpam on 01/09/2009 18:47:28
Quote by livingonli:
BTW, Mala, are you going to catch Lizz's show next Friday or Saturday?
Don't think I'm going to be able hopefully she'll bring the show back in the warmer months
Comment by wickedpam on 01/09/2009 18:48:33
I still don't know who I missed you at the metro station must have been by mere minutes
wickedpam on 01/09/2009 18:48:33
Quote by livingonli:Quote by wickedpam:Quote by IzzyBitz:
I've had my laugh for the day. You guys trying to decide where to meet. What time is the best! If you manage to meet up after maneuvering your way around 3-5 million people, I will eat my frozen hat!
we have our ways ;)
I mean I did find Raine and Bob without knowing what either looked liked all those years ago in September at Smithonsion station where not only the National Book fair was going on but also the Rally for Peace.
I think I could have used that skill at that time especially when I didn't have a cell phone then.
I was walking and walking.
I still don't know who I missed you at the metro station must have been by mere minutes
Comment by livingonli on 01/09/2009 19:03:00
I got one of those. I checked it as offensive.
livingonli on 01/09/2009 19:03:00
Quote by Mondobubba:
WTF? This one of the Facebook ads I'm getting now.
I got one of those. I checked it as offensive.
Comment by Mondobubba on 01/09/2009 19:13:58
Facebook needs to add more categories when rating/complaining about ads. Like WTF? Are you kidding me!
Mondobubba on 01/09/2009 19:13:58
Quote by livingonli:Quote by Mondobubba:
WTF? This one of the Facebook ads I'm getting now.
I got one of those. I checked it as offensive.
Facebook needs to add more categories when rating/complaining about ads. Like WTF? Are you kidding me!
Comment by TriSec on 01/09/2009 19:20:12
TriSec on 01/09/2009 19:20:12
Oh, BTW....today is Paul Rieckhoff's birthday. Everyone hit the ol' Facecrack!
Comment by Raine on 01/09/2009 19:51:42
makes mental note... put hat in freezer.
Raine on 01/09/2009 19:51:42
Quote by IzzyBitz:
I've had my laugh for the day. You guys trying to decide where to meet. What time is the best! If you manage to meet up after maneuvering your way around 3-5 million people, I will eat my frozen hat!
Comment by Raine on 01/09/2009 20:09:58
It's Friday!!!!
:boobs:
:boobs:
:boobs:
:boobs:
:boobs2: 
:boobs:
:boobs:
Bounce you bastahds!!!
Raine on 01/09/2009 20:09:58
:boobs: :boobs: :boobs: :boobs: :boobs2:
:boobs: :boobs:Bounce you bastahds!!!
Comment by Raine on 01/09/2009 20:12:37
Raine on 01/09/2009 20:12:37
Comment by Raine on 01/09/2009 20:14:04
Raine on 01/09/2009 20:14:04
Randi is coming to Atlanta??? To Nieman Marcus ? Tonite?
Comment by IzzyBitz on 01/09/2009 20:17:01
Neener, neener, neener. First you'll have to catch me!
It's Fridee. 
IzzyBitz on 01/09/2009 20:17:01
Quote by Raine:makes mental note... put hat in freezer.Quote by IzzyBitz:
I've had my laugh for the day. You guys trying to decide where to meet. What time is the best! If you manage to meet up after maneuvering your way around 3-5 million people, I will eat my frozen hat!
Neener, neener, neener. First you'll have to catch me!
It's Fridee.
Comment by TriSec on 01/09/2009 20:21:14
Better late than never, I guess.
Bounce!
TriSec on 01/09/2009 20:21:14
Better late than never, I guess.
Bounce!
Comment by IzzyBitz on 01/09/2009 20:22:40
That's quite a ways to go for a beer.
If she went to Nordy's, she could sit at the piano and have umbrella drinks. Klassy.
IzzyBitz on 01/09/2009 20:22:40
Quote by Raine:
Randi is coming to Atlanta??? To Nieman Marcus ? Tonite?
That's quite a ways to go for a beer.
If she went to Nordy's, she could sit at the piano and have umbrella drinks. Klassy.
Comment by Raine on 01/09/2009 20:28:51
Raine on 01/09/2009 20:28:51
Quote by IzzyBitz:Quote by Raine:makes mental note... put hat in freezer.Quote by IzzyBitz:
I've had my laugh for the day. You guys trying to decide where to meet. What time is the best! If you manage to meet up after maneuvering your way around 3-5 million people, I will eat my frozen hat!
Neener, neener, neener. First you'll have to catch me!
It's Fridee.
Comment by IzzyBitz on 01/09/2009 20:30:20
IzzyBitz on 01/09/2009 20:30:20
Blago on the TV machine. I's innocent, I tells ya, innocent. He's a real pisser. He and Sarah are having some major pity parties this week. Waaaaaaah. 
Comment by m-hadley on 01/09/2009 20:40:46
Raine,
I think it's great that we will have a "First Grandma" - how cool is that? Thanks for the update.
Cheers,
mfaye
m-hadley on 01/09/2009 20:40:46
Quote by Raine:
It's Official: Michelle Obama's Momma is moving into the white house!
How awesome is that?
Raine,
I think it's great that we will have a "First Grandma" - how cool is that? Thanks for the update.
Cheers,
mfaye
Comment by Raine on 01/09/2009 20:57:28
I know! I love it!!!
The first Grandma. This will make the transition so much better for those little girls. Talk about family values!
Raine on 01/09/2009 20:57:28
Quote by m-hadley:Quote by Raine:
It's Official: Michelle Obama's Momma is moving into the white house!
How awesome is that?
Raine,
I think it's great that we will have a "First Grandma" - how cool is that? Thanks for the update.
Cheers,
mfaye
I know! I love it!!!
The first Grandma. This will make the transition so much better for those little girls. Talk about family values!
Comment by Raine on 01/09/2009 20:58:33
OK, then I am sure he will be proven innocent in a court of law... in the mean time the state of Illinios can get on with business.
He and his hair are such tools.
Raine on 01/09/2009 20:58:33
Quote by IzzyBitz:
Blago on the TV machine. I's innocent, I tells ya, innocent. He's a real pisser. He and Sarah are having some major pity parties this week. Waaaaaaah.
He and his hair are such tools.
Comment by Raine on 01/09/2009 21:01:09
Raine on 01/09/2009 21:01:09
Is it me or does Blagone sound a little like Nixon?
Comment by IzzyBitz on 01/09/2009 21:11:56
IzzyBitz on 01/09/2009 21:11:56
That speech took all left turns and caved in on itself. I did one good thing, so we can overlook everything else, right? Well, no, honey. Good grief. I can't wait for his testimony.
Comment by Raine on 01/09/2009 21:12:04
Raine on 01/09/2009 21:12:04
:rolleyes2: Randi does a TERRIBLE Sarah Palin imitation, and also and such.
Comment by BobR on 01/09/2009 21:12:27
BobR on 01/09/2009 21:12:27
Listening to The Devlins.
I've been listening to political talk for so long... this is just... I forgot what it feels like to just groove on some good music.
I've been listening to political talk for so long... this is just... I forgot what it feels like to just groove on some good music.
Comment by BobR on 01/09/2009 21:14:00
You know two.
:usa:
BobR on 01/09/2009 21:14:00
Quote by Mondobubba:
Tri, you are the only person I know who when posed this question, (channels Eddie Izzard) do you have a flag? You can answer yes.
You know two.
:usa:
Comment by Raine on 01/09/2009 21:31:36
Raine on 01/09/2009 21:31:36
Westmoreland gets second crack at Whip.
The forst time he was fired after 17 hours...
the real question is, do you think he learned all the Commandments this time? Is he ready for Colbert Time?
In case you don't remember this nitwit: Clickety Click.
The forst time he was fired after 17 hours...
the real question is, do you think he learned all the Commandments this time? Is he ready for Colbert Time?
In case you don't remember this nitwit: Clickety Click.
Comment by Raine on 01/09/2009 21:41:03
Raine on 01/09/2009 21:41:03
Randi isn't QUITE that informed about Rick Warren...
Comment by Raine on 01/09/2009 21:42:01
Raine on 01/09/2009 21:42:01
Wow, Randi went strawman. Interesting. very interesting.
Comment by Raine on 01/09/2009 21:45:17
Raine on 01/09/2009 21:45:17
Randi is losing me hear as a Rick Warren apologist. TOTALLY.
holy fuck... she is trying to tell this guy on the phone that gays are welcome in his church.
holy fuck... she is trying to tell this guy on the phone that gays are welcome in his church.
Comment by BobR on 01/09/2009 21:46:06
He's an embarrassment for GA...
BobR on 01/09/2009 21:46:06
Quote by Raine:
Westmoreland gets second crack at Whip.
The forst time he was fired after 17 hours...
the real question is, do you think he learned all the Commandments this time? Is he ready for Colbert Time?
In case you don't remember this nitwit: Clickety Click.
He's an embarrassment for GA...
Comment by IzzyBitz on 01/09/2009 21:48:02
IzzyBitz on 01/09/2009 21:48:02
Sounds like Randi did some pre-Neiman Marcus drinking. 
Comment by Raine on 01/09/2009 21:55:54
I think you might be right. She was so wrong with that caller.
I don't care or mind that Melissa met with Warren, but jesus, it is RANDI who needs to get her facts straight about this.
Raine on 01/09/2009 21:55:54
Quote by IzzyBitz:
Sounds like Randi did some pre-Neiman Marcus drinking.
I think you might be right. She was so wrong with that caller.
I don't care or mind that Melissa met with Warren, but jesus, it is RANDI who needs to get her facts straight about this.
Comment by Raine on 01/09/2009 22:00:19
Raine on 01/09/2009 22:00:19
you see this is where she is wrong, Rick Warren ALwaya allowed gays into his church... he doesn't let them be members.
he has since taken that down off his website, but has not told people that gays are allowed to be members.
AND... then there is this about his AIDS thing...
I am still going to DC, I will be turning my back and I will be wearing my white ribbon but damn... she needs to get her facts straight. Warren hasn't changed anything... AT ALL.
Sometimes doing the Hard thing means speaking out against those that would harm us.
he has since taken that down off his website, but has not told people that gays are allowed to be members.
AND... then there is this about his AIDS thing...
I am still going to DC, I will be turning my back and I will be wearing my white ribbon but damn... she needs to get her facts straight. Warren hasn't changed anything... AT ALL.
Sometimes doing the Hard thing means speaking out against those that would harm us.
Comment by Raine on 01/09/2009 22:24:35
Raine on 01/09/2009 22:24:35
Randi is telling a lie again.. Gays are NOT welcome to be members of Rick Warrens church.
Comment by Mondobubba on 01/09/2009 22:29:51
Rick Warren isn't just a dick, he is a clap infected dick with a giant genitle wart on the head.
Mondobubba on 01/09/2009 22:29:51
Quote by Raine:
you see this is where she is wrong, Rick Warren ALwaya allowed gays into his church... he doesn't let them be members.
he has since taken that down off his website, but has not told people that gays are allowed to be members.
AND... then there is this about his AIDS thing...
I am still going to DC, I will be turning my back and I will be wearing my white ribbon but damn... she needs to get her facts straight. Warren hasn't changed anything... AT ALL.
Sometimes doing the Hard thing means speaking out against those that would harm us.
Rick Warren isn't just a dick, he is a clap infected dick with a giant genitle wart on the head.
Comment by Random on 01/09/2009 23:59:15
Random on 01/09/2009 23:59:15
So I come in...and what do i find...more bitching about Warren...
ugh...
I'm leaving again...
ugh...
I'm leaving again...
Comment by livingonli on 01/10/2009 02:39:28
livingonli on 01/10/2009 02:39:28
Another Friday night and it's quiet on the blog. Since I am off and it's cold out, I am here by my lonesome.
Comment by 
trojanrabbit on 01/10/2009 03:22:40
trojanrabbit on 01/10/2009 03:22:40
Service guarantees citizenship!
Would you like to know more?
Would you like to know more?
Comment by livingonli on 01/10/2009 03:42:04
livingonli on 01/10/2009 03:42:04
Sure, why not?
Comment by MMB on 01/10/2009 03:46:52
Thats spelled GENITAL WART just in case anyone cares!!!
MMB on 01/10/2009 03:46:52
Quote by Mondobubba:Quote by Raine:
you see this is where she is wrong, Rick Warren ALwaya allowed gays into his church... he doesn't let them be members.
he has since taken that down off his website, but has not told people that gays are allowed to be members.
AND... then there is this about his AIDS thing...
I am still going to DC, I will be turning my back and I will be wearing my white ribbon but damn... she needs to get her facts straight. Warren hasn't changed anything... AT ALL.
Sometimes doing the Hard thing means speaking out against those that would harm us.
Rick Warren isn't just a dick, he is a clap infected dick with a giant genitle wart on the head.
Thats spelled GENITAL WART just in case anyone cares!!!
Comment by trojanrabbit on 01/10/2009 03:52:29
trojanrabbit on 01/10/2009 03:52:29
BUGS!!!!!