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Getting Biblical
Author: BobR
Date: 01/09/2009 13:31:10
The escalation of violence and brutality in the Middle East is threatening to make an unstable region implode completely into an all-out shooting match. Jesus's footprints have become blast holes. In an area of the world that brought us the first civilizations and 3 major religions, the stupid brutality is hinting at an impending armageddon. We're at the point where it doesn't really matter who started what - it just needs to stop.
Despite the U.S. abstaining from a UN vote for a cease-fire, the UN has still voted for a resolution demanding Israel withdraw from Gaza immediately:
The fact that it required 3 days of intense bargaining for a resolution shows just how hard it will be to get anything done at all. Israel has always played the victim, a small country surrounded by hostile governments. Yet they make it very hard to feel sorry for them by their actions, when they've treated the Palestinian people like animals for years.
Perhaps it's because of the intensity of Israel's retribution. Perhaps its the demographics of the dead, one third of which are Palestinian children. Perhaps it's actions from Israel like shelling a building where Israeli soldiers put refugees just 24 hours earlier:
Adding to this deadly mix, Lebanon has fired rockets into Israel:
Iran has banned volunteers from joining in the fight - at least for now. But the potential still exists for fire to rain from the skies until the entire sub-continent is reduced to a smoldering relic. The terms "getting Biblical" and "bombing them back to the stone age" get tossed about by armchair generals, but it cheapens the reality on the ground where death and destruction affect mostly the families that just want to live life.
Jimmy Carter - despite his over-hyped failings as a president - was able to broker a peace between Egypt and Israel. Can we expect the same from Bush? Of course not. What about Obama? He said he'll talk to Hamas, which is a lot more than Bush would do.
It's impossible to help stop two factions from fighting if you choose to take sides. The only way to end the fight is to talk to both sides and try to help them find common ground. We can only hope that Obama possesses Carter's ability to to do this.
That's assuming the area doesn't meltdown in the next 12 days...
Despite the U.S. abstaining from a UN vote for a cease-fire, the UN has still voted for a resolution demanding Israel withdraw from Gaza immediately:
The UN Security Council voted to call for an "immediate, durable" ceasefire in the Gaza Strip leading to the "full withdrawal" of Israeli forces, but the United States abstained.
Fourteen of the council's 15 members voted in favor of the compromise resolution worked out in three days of intense bargaining involving several Arab foreign ministers, US Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice, British Foreign Secretary David Miliband and French Foreign Minister Bernard Kouchner.
The text "stresses the urgency of and calls for an immediate, durable and fully respected ceasefire, leading to the full withdrawal of Israeli forces from Gaza."
The fact that it required 3 days of intense bargaining for a resolution shows just how hard it will be to get anything done at all. Israel has always played the victim, a small country surrounded by hostile governments. Yet they make it very hard to feel sorry for them by their actions, when they've treated the Palestinian people like animals for years.
Perhaps it's because of the intensity of Israel's retribution. Perhaps its the demographics of the dead, one third of which are Palestinian children. Perhaps it's actions from Israel like shelling a building where Israeli soldiers put refugees just 24 hours earlier:
Israeli troops evacuated Palestinian civilians to a house in Gaza City and then shelled the building 24 hours later, killing 30 people inside, according to a U.N. agency report based on witness testimony.
The U.N. Office for the Coordination of Humanitarian Affairs report released Thursday added details to an incident previously reported by The Associated Press and an Israeli human rights group.
The Israeli military had no comment on the report Friday.
There were 110 people in the house when it was shelled, the agency said. The 30 people reported killed is a far higher figure than in other accounts.
The U.N. agency said a Red Cross medical team was blocked from reaching the area until three days later. Rescuers were allowed in on foot, without ambulances.
Adding to this deadly mix, Lebanon has fired rockets into Israel:
NAHARIYA, Israel – Residents of this northern Israeli town awoke Thursday to one of their country's worst nightmares: Rockets from Lebanon, and the possibility of a second front in a battle that has raged for two weeks in Gaza.
No armed group claimed responsibility for the two Katyusha rockets that lightly injured two Israelis. But the most likely suspects were small Palestinian factions operating in south Lebanon and known to possess Katyushas.
The Lebanese militant group Hezbollah, which fought a 34-day war with Israel in 2006, denied it was behind the attack. But Hezbollah has been suspected in the past by Israel and its opponents in Lebanon of using allied radical groups to irritate Israel with a lower risk of retaliation.
Iran has banned volunteers from joining in the fight - at least for now. But the potential still exists for fire to rain from the skies until the entire sub-continent is reduced to a smoldering relic. The terms "getting Biblical" and "bombing them back to the stone age" get tossed about by armchair generals, but it cheapens the reality on the ground where death and destruction affect mostly the families that just want to live life.
Jimmy Carter - despite his over-hyped failings as a president - was able to broker a peace between Egypt and Israel. Can we expect the same from Bush? Of course not. What about Obama? He said he'll talk to Hamas, which is a lot more than Bush would do.
The incoming Obama administration is prepared to abandon George Bush's doctrine of isolating Hamas by establishing a channel to the Islamist organisation, sources close to the transition team say.
[...]
The Guardian has spoken to three people with knowledge of the discussions in the Obama camp. There is no talk of Obama approving direct diplomatic negotiations with Hamas early on, but he is being urged by advisers to initiate low-level or clandestine approaches, and there is growing recognition in Washington that the policy of ostracising Hamas is counter-productive.
It's impossible to help stop two factions from fighting if you choose to take sides. The only way to end the fight is to talk to both sides and try to help them find common ground. We can only hope that Obama possesses Carter's ability to to do this.
That's assuming the area doesn't meltdown in the next 12 days...
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Comment by 
Scoopster on 01/09/2009 13:51:05
Scoopster on 01/09/2009 13:51:05
Morning all! 
I feel MUCH better today, though a little groggy still from the Unisom I took.. maybe I shoulda taken them at like 9PM instead of when I woke up at 1AM?
That thing about the IDF putting refugees in a specific location and them bombing them is just....... I'm lost for words.
I feel MUCH better today, though a little groggy still from the Unisom I took.. maybe I shoulda taken them at like 9PM instead of when I woke up at 1AM?That thing about the IDF putting refugees in a specific location and them bombing them is just....... I'm lost for words.
Comment by 
TriSec on 01/09/2009 14:01:51
TriSec on 01/09/2009 14:01:51
Ya know, moving refugees to a central location then bombing them smacks of what a certain nation used to do to persons of the Jewish faith back about 65 years ago.
Israel may be playing the victim, but they surely learned their lessons well.
Israel may be playing the victim, but they surely learned their lessons well.
Comment by TriSec on 01/09/2009 14:03:30
TriSec on 01/09/2009 14:03:30
And speaking of retaliation being out-of-hand....I posted a story this morning in the forum about more than 250 Palestinian children being killed during the retaliation...
Did we ever find out how many hundreds of Israeli civilians were killed during the rocket attacks to justify such a response?
Did we ever find out how many hundreds of Israeli civilians were killed during the rocket attacks to justify such a response?
Comment by 
wickedpam on 01/09/2009 14:09:57
wickedpam on 01/09/2009 14:09:57
Morning :hug:
Yeah - MGM shout out!
Yeah - MGM shout out!
Comment by wickedpam on 01/09/2009 14:19:25
wickedpam on 01/09/2009 14:19:25
WOOOHOOOO!!! We're closed on the 20th!
Comment by Scoopster on 01/09/2009 14:28:54
Scoopster on 01/09/2009 14:28:54
H.R. 34 - Pelosi & Boehner glad-handing Israel
Oh wait.. Looks like the bill's been shelved. I wonder why there's a change of heart..
Oh wait.. Looks like the bill's been shelved. I wonder why there's a change of heart..
Comment by 
velveeta jones on 01/09/2009 14:34:07
velveeta jones on 01/09/2009 14:34:07
Great post BobR. I am all for supporting Israel's right to exist and defend itself, but this continued abuse of innocent people does not play well at all!
In the meantime, the situation in the Congo gets no attention from the media at all. I guess its because its *black* people?
In the meantime, the situation in the Congo gets no attention from the media at all. I guess its because its *black* people?
Comment by 
Raine on 01/09/2009 14:35:01
Raine on 01/09/2009 14:35:01
Good morning...
Comment by velveeta jones on 01/09/2009 14:36:09
velveeta jones on 01/09/2009 14:36:09
By the by........ the Jones/Azalea clan will not be able to attend the DC event. Money is just too tight. :(
We'll be glued to our TV and then going to a party that night.
We'll be glued to our TV and then going to a party that night.
Comment by Raine on 01/09/2009 14:42:50
We will still be representing!
Raine on 01/09/2009 14:42:50
Quote by velveeta jones:
By the by........ the Jones/Azalea clan will not be able to attend the DC event. Money is just too tight. :(
We'll be glued to our TV and then going to a party that night.
We will still be representing!
Comment by Raine on 01/09/2009 14:43:47
Raine on 01/09/2009 14:43:47
I saw this peice... it was a doozy. Sarah Palin is such a f*cking idiot.
Comment by wickedpam on 01/09/2009 14:45:24
:hug: if you come to DC over the summer or another time you have to let me know though! :hug:
wickedpam on 01/09/2009 14:45:24
Quote by velveeta jones:
By the by........ the Jones/Azalea clan will not be able to attend the DC event. Money is just too tight. :(
We'll be glued to our TV and then going to a party that night.
:hug: if you come to DC over the summer or another time you have to let me know though! :hug:
Comment by wickedpam on 01/09/2009 14:51:57
wickedpam on 01/09/2009 14:51:57
MNRN!
Comment by Will in Chicago on 01/09/2009 14:52:00
Will in Chicago on 01/09/2009 14:52:00
I hope that the violence on both sides stops soon. It is true that fewer Israeli civilians have been hit by rockets launched from Gaza than civilians have died in the past few weeks because of IDF actions. (Most observers will say neither side fully honored the truce of the past several months.) Both need to stop, but there is a great stubborness in both Hamas and certain factions in the Israeli government. (Reportedly, DEFENSE MINISTER Ehud Barak supports a truce, but Prime Minister Ehud Olmert thinks more can be done militarily and Foreign Minister Tzipi Livni is against the truce, as it will be de facto recognition of Hamas.)
By the way, Jeff Farias on his internet radio show yesterday had interviews with Rabbi Michael Lerner of Tikkun and Professor Neve Gordon chair of the Department of Politics and Government, Ben-Gurion University of the Negev, Israel. You can find a podcast of the show at his site, http://www.thejefffariasshow.com.
By the way, Jeff Farias on his internet radio show yesterday had interviews with Rabbi Michael Lerner of Tikkun and Professor Neve Gordon chair of the Department of Politics and Government, Ben-Gurion University of the Negev, Israel. You can find a podcast of the show at his site, http://www.thejefffariasshow.com.
Comment by Raine on 01/09/2009 14:52:02
Raine on 01/09/2009 14:52:02
MNRN !!!!!!!!
Comment by velveeta jones on 01/09/2009 14:55:04
Hell's yes! You know it!
velveeta jones on 01/09/2009 14:55:04
Quote by wickedpam:Quote by velveeta jones:
By the by........ the Jones/Azalea clan will not be able to attend the DC event. Money is just too tight. :(
We'll be glued to our TV and then going to a party that night.
:hug: if you come to DC over the summer or another time you have to let me know though! :hug:
Hell's yes! You know it!
Comment by Will in Chicago on 01/09/2009 14:55:21
Will in Chicago on 01/09/2009 14:55:21
Here is an editorial from today's edition of Haaretz, a liberal Israeli daily.
Just get out
By Haaretz Editorial
Tags: Hamas, Gaza, Israel News, IDF
The difference in opinion in the cabinet over the timing of the departure from the Gaza Strip and the cease-fire is the sort of luxury Israel cannot permit itself at this time. Lessons of the past suggest that the more the wheels of the war machine sink into the Gaza mud (like in Lebanon and the Gaza Strip in previous instances), the more the Israel Defense Forces will get drawn into operations that cause more and more deaths of innocent civilians, that expose soldiers to unneeded risk and that undermine an exposure-exhausted home front. On the other hand, the military achievements in the field will make no difference.
The defense minister may have ordered the IDF to prepare for a significantly broadened operation in the Gaza Strip, but the diplomatic-security cabinet only approved the continuation of the combat operations at their current level with humanitarian assistance that is limited in both time and breadth. The good news is that four ministers - Haim Ramon, Daniel Friedmann, Rafi Eitan and Meir Sheetrit - did not support expanding the operation. The bad news is that Prime Minster Ehud Olmert, his deputy Tzipi Livni, and Defense Minister Ehud Barak failed to bridge the differences in their viewpoints.
Substantive gaps are emerging between Livni, on the one hand, and Barak and Olmert on the other. The latter two want to reach, with the help of Egypt and the United States, an agreement that will secure calm for some time in the south and prevent Hamas from getting stronger in the Gaza Strip. In other words, they will make do with a calm similar to the one that existed on the eve of Operation Cast Lead. Livni insists that a deal should not be allowed to be interpreted as recognition of Hamas. She is concerned that returning to the framework of the lull, which allowed Hamas to arm itself, could restore the group's military advantage, and she would support a unilateral withdrawal from the Strip, without an agreement, with the understanding that any attempt to attack Israel will be met with severity.
The two positions are reasonable and backed by good arguments, but the conclusion of both is the same: The fighting needs to stop now and the IDF should exit Gaza immediately. After all, while they are debating, the pressure from within and from without is growing. The head of Military Intelligence said yesterday that the IDF is fighting in Gaza in areas that "are crowded and full of traps, between schools and mosques."
Comment by 
Random on 01/09/2009 14:56:46
Random on 01/09/2009 14:56:46
Random Working...Random Bored.
Comment by 
starling310 on 01/09/2009 14:57:33
starling310 on 01/09/2009 14:57:33
Good morning.
Okay. I am sick of people conflating the "Economic Stimulus" with the "Bailouts." They are different things. Just saying.
And, correct me if I'm wrong but does Obama's Economic Stimulus consist of sending everyone checks? Or, is it slightly more elaborate?
Oh yeah. AND BARACK OBAMA HASN'T EVEN BEEN SWORN IN!!!!!
Okay. I am sick of people conflating the "Economic Stimulus" with the "Bailouts." They are different things. Just saying.
And, correct me if I'm wrong but does Obama's Economic Stimulus consist of sending everyone checks? Or, is it slightly more elaborate?
Oh yeah. AND BARACK OBAMA HASN'T EVEN BEEN SWORN IN!!!!!
Comment by TriSec on 01/09/2009 15:03:16
TriSec on 01/09/2009 15:03:16
I eagerly await Herr Mondo's take on the Gators winning the bullshit bowl last night...
Comment by 
BobR on 01/09/2009 15:05:34
I wrote about it just over a year ago...
If THAT means anything...
BobR on 01/09/2009 15:05:34
Quote by velveeta jones:
Great post BobR. I am all for supporting Israel's right to exist and defend itself, but this continued abuse of innocent people does not play well at all!
In the meantime, the situation in the Congo gets no attention from the media at all. I guess its because its *black* people?
I wrote about it just over a year ago...
If THAT means anything...
Comment by BobR on 01/09/2009 15:06:20
So - will you be joining us for the festivities on The Mall??
BobR on 01/09/2009 15:06:20
Quote by wickedpam:
WOOOHOOOO!!! We're closed on the 20th!
So - will you be joining us for the festivities on The Mall??
Comment by wickedpam on 01/09/2009 15:06:45
agreed. sounded more about creating jobs to me.
The new DHS HQ should help create jobs granted it's going to cost 3.4 billion and be the biggest project in this area since building the pentagon
wickedpam on 01/09/2009 15:06:45
Quote by starling310:
Good morning.
Okay. I am sick of people conflating the "Economic Stimulus" with the "Bailouts." They are different things. Just saying.
And, correct me if I'm wrong but does Obama's Economic Stimulus consist of sending everyone checks? Or, is it slightly more elaborate?
Oh yeah. AND BARACK OBAMA HASN'T EVEN BEEN SWORN IN!!!!!
agreed. sounded more about creating jobs to me.
The new DHS HQ should help create jobs granted it's going to cost 3.4 billion and be the biggest project in this area since building the pentagon
Comment by Raine on 01/09/2009 15:08:16
Raine on 01/09/2009 15:08:16
How funny and wierd was it that Dick made the announcement?
Comment by Raine on 01/09/2009 15:08:16
Raine on 01/09/2009 15:08:16
How funny and wierd was it that Dick made the announcement?
Comment by wickedpam on 01/09/2009 15:08:38
Think it's all going to depend on VRE and weather and if I can deal with 2-5 million people
wickedpam on 01/09/2009 15:08:38
Quote by BobR:Quote by wickedpam:
WOOOHOOOO!!! We're closed on the 20th!
So - will you be joining us for the festivities on The Mall??
Think it's all going to depend on VRE and weather and if I can deal with 2-5 million people
Comment by wickedpam on 01/09/2009 15:10:53
wickedpam on 01/09/2009 15:10:53
they are closing the bridges on the VA side and the beltway is being closed at the mixing bowl - hence why we are closed
Comment by Raine on 01/09/2009 15:11:24
Raine on 01/09/2009 15:11:24
:lol: momma on a segway, with the bluetooth..
Nothing can go wrong with that at all. :rolleyes:
Nothing can go wrong with that at all. :rolleyes:
Comment by wickedpam on 01/09/2009 15:13:18
wickedpam on 01/09/2009 15:13:18
VRE - $25 for round trip tickets! :thud:
normally its only $16 WT!
normally its only $16 WT!
Comment by velveeta jones on 01/09/2009 15:15:30
I know you did BobR, but that's because you're SMART! I was referring to the "MSM".
velveeta jones on 01/09/2009 15:15:30
Quote by BobR:Quote by velveeta jones:
Great post BobR. I am all for supporting Israel's right to exist and defend itself, but this continued abuse of innocent people does not play well at all!
In the meantime, the situation in the Congo gets no attention from the media at all. I guess its because its *black* people?
I wrote about it just over a year ago...
If THAT means anything...
I know you did BobR, but that's because you're SMART! I was referring to the "MSM".
Comment by Raine on 01/09/2009 15:18:04
Haaretz has been a cool head in the face of all of this crap.
Raine on 01/09/2009 15:18:04
Quote by Will in Phoenix:
Here is an editorial from today's edition of Haaretz, a liberal Israeli daily.Just get out
By Haaretz Editorial
Tags: Hamas, Gaza, Israel News, IDF
The difference in opinion in the cabinet over the timing of the departure from the Gaza Strip and the cease-fire is the sort of luxury Israel cannot permit itself at this time. Lessons of the past suggest that the more the wheels of the war machine sink into the Gaza mud (like in Lebanon and the Gaza Strip in previous instances), the more the Israel Defense Forces will get drawn into operations that cause more and more deaths of innocent civilians, that expose soldiers to unneeded risk and that undermine an exposure-exhausted home front. On the other hand, the military achievements in the field will make no difference.
The defense minister may have ordered the IDF to prepare for a significantly broadened operation in the Gaza Strip, but the diplomatic-security cabinet only approved the continuation of the combat operations at their current level with humanitarian assistance that is limited in both time and breadth. The good news is that four ministers - Haim Ramon, Daniel Friedmann, Rafi Eitan and Meir Sheetrit - did not support expanding the operation. The bad news is that Prime Minster Ehud Olmert, his deputy Tzipi Livni, and Defense Minister Ehud Barak failed to bridge the differences in their viewpoints.
Substantive gaps are emerging between Livni, on the one hand, and Barak and Olmert on the other. The latter two want to reach, with the help of Egypt and the United States, an agreement that will secure calm for some time in the south and prevent Hamas from getting stronger in the Gaza Strip. In other words, they will make do with a calm similar to the one that existed on the eve of Operation Cast Lead. Livni insists that a deal should not be allowed to be interpreted as recognition of Hamas. She is concerned that returning to the framework of the lull, which allowed Hamas to arm itself, could restore the group's military advantage, and she would support a unilateral withdrawal from the Strip, without an agreement, with the understanding that any attempt to attack Israel will be met with severity.
The two positions are reasonable and backed by good arguments, but the conclusion of both is the same: The fighting needs to stop now and the IDF should exit Gaza immediately. After all, while they are debating, the pressure from within and from without is growing. The head of Military Intelligence said yesterday that the IDF is fighting in Gaza in areas that "are crowded and full of traps, between schools and mosques."
Comment by starling310 on 01/09/2009 15:18:10
starling310 on 01/09/2009 15:18:10
They are talking about "The New Deal" so much because they are scared sh*tless that there will be a NEW New Deal and they know if their shriveled up hearts that the first one WORKED!
Comment by wickedpam on 01/09/2009 15:19:52
wickedpam on 01/09/2009 15:19:52
:rofl: I swear I can not hear Terry Jefferies without laughing
Comment by Raine on 01/09/2009 15:20:48
Raine on 01/09/2009 15:20:48
:clown: sounds so pained.... :rofl:
Comment by TriSec on 01/09/2009 15:21:35
Does anyone have any ideas where we might want to set up the 4F base camp?
TriSec on 01/09/2009 15:21:35
Quote by Raine:
Parade Tickets go on sale today.
Does anyone have any ideas where we might want to set up the 4F base camp?
Comment by BobR on 01/09/2009 15:24:11
I think we're going to have to play it by ear, based on "conditions on the ground"...
BobR on 01/09/2009 15:24:11
Quote by TriSec:
Does anyone have any ideas where we might want to set up the 4F base camp?
I think we're going to have to play it by ear, based on "conditions on the ground"...
Comment by wickedpam on 01/09/2009 15:24:19
I'd pick a landmark so people could find the place
wickedpam on 01/09/2009 15:24:19
Quote by TriSec:Quote by Raine:
Parade Tickets go on sale today.
Does anyone have any ideas where we might want to set up the 4F base camp?
I'd pick a landmark so people could find the place
Comment by Raine on 01/09/2009 15:25:48
Raine on 01/09/2009 15:25:48
Comment by BobR on 01/09/2009 15:31:34
BobR on 01/09/2009 15:31:34
Comment by Raine on 01/09/2009 15:32:18
Hmmm... I am thinking that Station we came out of last time... l'Enfants Plaza? that was very close to the department of Education. Those big red shcool house doors?
Raine on 01/09/2009 15:32:18
Quote by wickedpam:Quote by TriSec:Quote by Raine:
Parade Tickets go on sale today.
Does anyone have any ideas where we might want to set up the 4F base camp?
I'd pick a landmark so people could find the place
Comment by Raine on 01/09/2009 15:33:52
Raine on 01/09/2009 15:33:52
We are coming in on the orange line-- if that helps.
Comment by Raine on 01/09/2009 15:34:50
Raine on 01/09/2009 15:34:50
Tri. are you coming in on the train or bus?
McPherson Square also has a good number of places to meet.
McPherson Square also has a good number of places to meet.
Comment by Raine on 01/09/2009 15:41:21
Raine on 01/09/2009 15:41:21
:thud: a WAR????
WTF?!?!?! Caller is smoking... WHAT exactly?
WTF?!?!?! Caller is smoking... WHAT exactly?
Comment by Raine on 01/09/2009 15:43:19
Raine on 01/09/2009 15:43:19
OMG... This caller is delusional. DELUSIONAL... it was a WAR that played a part a BIG part in getting us here.
Comment by 
m-hadley on 01/09/2009 15:43:30
m-hadley on 01/09/2009 15:43:30
Morning Kiddos,
I just went to the University Health Center to make sure that I don't have Strep, and discovered that what I have is viral (ie. not strep), so I can stay at work - yay (I guess). Anyway, this caller is working my last nerve - what we need is a bigger war - huh?
Cheers,
mfaye
:hug: & :peace:
I just went to the University Health Center to make sure that I don't have Strep, and discovered that what I have is viral (ie. not strep), so I can stay at work - yay (I guess). Anyway, this caller is working my last nerve - what we need is a bigger war - huh?
Cheers,
mfaye
:hug: & :peace:
Comment by starling310 on 01/09/2009 15:44:16
starling310 on 01/09/2009 15:44:16
Another War? Seriously Dude. . . Another War will just mean more outsourcing. We don't even run our own "Military Industrial Complex" anymore. Therefore, even if another war wasn't a completely ridiculous idea, it would be mishandled and the tools of said war would most likely be manufactured in another country. So, how exactly does that help us?
Comment by velveeta jones on 01/09/2009 15:44:25
I saw this story, and couldn't believe she thought about selling it for $10. Good for her, though. I hope she gets loads of money for it. Or, better yet, donates it to the Hall of Fame.
velveeta jones on 01/09/2009 15:44:25
Quote by BobR:
Woman finds 139-year-old baseball card in box of antiques
Holy crap! :thud:
I saw this story, and couldn't believe she thought about selling it for $10. Good for her, though. I hope she gets loads of money for it. Or, better yet, donates it to the Hall of Fame.
Comment by TriSec on 01/09/2009 15:48:50
TriSec on 01/09/2009 15:48:50
We'll be on the Green line (as of this writing...Greenbelt has no parking for me on 1/20)...L'enfant Plaza is going to be our access point. I was thinking somewhere along the mall near the NASM, or closer to the Capitol if feasable.
Comment by BobR on 01/09/2009 15:49:21
BobR on 01/09/2009 15:49:21
Yay! Oingo Boingo (We Close Our Eyes)