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Author: TriSec    Date: 01/24/2009 13:09:48

A curious thing happened this past presidential cycle.

Seems that the "Big Three" were all sitting senators.

So....what happens when there's a senate vacancy? The constitution is actually fairly gray in that regard. Article 1 gives a long enumeration of who can be a senator, and what their duties are, but includes the following caveat:

The Senate of the United States shall be composed of two Senators from each state, chosen by the legislature thereof, for six years; and each Senator shall have one vote.


So in the early days of the Republic, our senators were chosen by the state legislature. [Representatives were always selected by general election.]

But somehere along the way, Congress decided to ammend the procedure, and the result was the 17th Ammendment (circa 1913):


The Senate of the United States shall be composed of two Senators from each state, elected by the people thereof, for six years; and each Senator shall have one vote. The electors in each state shall have the qualifications requisite for electors of the most numerous branch of the state legislatures.

When vacancies happen in the representation of any state in the Senate, the executive authority of such state shall issue writs of election to fill such vacancies: Provided, that the legislature of any state may empower the executive thereof to make temporary appointments until the people fill the vacancies by election as the legislature may direct.

This amendment shall not be so construed as to affect the election or term of any Senator chosen before it becomes valid as part of the Constitution.


So what was initially a gray process became grayer still, as the Constitution now directs that the governor shall appoint a replacement unless the state legislator overturns the local authority and calls for a special election.

What this all means is that like many things in these United States...it's inconsistent. Using a local example, the Governor of this Commonwealth was empowered to appoint a replacement senator, and always had been.

Until 2004. That year, one of our senators almost became president. At the time, we had a Republican governor, and the state was paralyzed by the fear that he would appoint a Republican replacement. The state hurriedly passed legislation calling for a special election, and that's what we'll do the next time a Massachusetts Senator is forced to leave office before his term expires.



So that brings us back to this year. Governors in Illinois, New York, and Delaware are all faced with a senatorial appointment. Unfortunately for them, they're all under a giant searchlight...and it ain't pretty.


NEW YORK – The departure of four sitting Democratic senators this year has cast a new — and at times, unflattering — light on the nation's governors and their outsize power to fill Senate vacancies.

While governors must call a special election to replace members of the House who resign or die before their term is up, 38 states allow governors the sole power to appoint an interim senator, according to the National Council of State Legislatures.

Just nine states require a special election to fill a Senate vacancy. In three other states — Hawaii, Utah and Wyoming — governors must select a candidate from a list of prospective appointees submitted by representatives of the departing incumbent's political party.

Choosing a new senator has led to considerable drama for the four governors tasked with doing so this year. All have weathered some level of opprobrium for their choices or for how they handled the selection, with one — Rod Blagojevich of Illinois — facing criminal charges for trying to barter President Barack Obama's former seat for cash and favors.

"Politically, the choices made by the governors so far have been pretty odd," said Seth Masket, an assistant professor of political science at the University of Denver.

Most recently, New York Gov. David Paterson engaged in a messy, drawn-out effort to name a replacement for Hillary Rodham Clinton, Obama's secretary of state. The process was largely dominated by a high-profile lobbying campaign by Caroline Kennedy, the 51-year-old daughter of President John F. Kennedy hoping to win the nod.

Paterson spent weeks vacillating publicly about Kennedy, at turns praising her intelligence while criticizing her lack of experience. The governor hinted openly that he would choose Kennedy, then contradicted himself later by saying he was still considering other candidates.

For her part, Kennedy appeared tentative and unprepared, and she abruptly withdrew her name from consideration for the seat Thursday. Her departure launched a war of recriminations between her allies and Paterson's — a spectacle that suggested Paterson had somehow lost control over the selection process.
...
In Illinois, Blagojevich prevailed in a high-stakes game of chicken with Democratic leaders by naming former Illinois Attorney General Roland Burris to Obama's seat.

Senate Democrats had insisted that any candidate Blagojevich named would not be considered a legitimate replacement. They eventually relented and allowed Burris to be seated, but he remains tainted by his connection to Blagojevich and may not be the strongest candidate to withstand a Republican challenge in 2010.

While less visible than the Illinois and New York Senate replacements, retiring Delaware Gov. Ruth Ann Minner has withstood criticism for her choice to fill Vice President Joe Biden's Senate seat. And Colorado Gov. Bill Ritter's choice of a replacement for Ken Salazar, now Obama's interior secretary, has also mystified some.
(continued)



So, despite the best efforts of the Founding Fathers, and those that would ammend the Constitution, it looks to me like the process has become rife with uncertainty and opportunity for corruption and influence peddling. I don't know about you, but I would think that a clearer rule of succession needs to be defined....special elections across the board, perhaps?

Putting open Senate seats on eBay to the highest bidder can only end badly for everyone.


 

24 comments (Latest Comment: 01/25/2009 03:17:39 by trojanrabbit)
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Comment by BobR on 01/24/2009 14:30:43
This was always going to be the problem with Obama snagging senators to fill his cabinet. The balance of power in the Senate could substantially shift in 2 years.

Comment by Raine on 01/24/2009 15:39:44
Good Morning! Excellent questions to ask... not sure of the answer. I know that in NYS, there will be a special election in 2010, and then again during the regular election cycle for that Senate seat in 2012.



Basically in 2010, 2 senators will be up for re-election. Schumer and Gillibrand.

Comment by trojanrabbit on 01/24/2009 16:03:13
Of course if the Rethugs continue to get away with their obstructionist ways, the balance of power could shift in 2 years no matter who Obama took.



I think that's their plan.



Anyway, here at the Fortress of Solitude doing OT, but precious little will get done, I'm afraid. Nothing working right, apparently a Windows update went through last night and I know that if this computer gets rebooted it will be hell to get it going again. The snow on the roof is fouling up my measurements and one of the analyzers is stuck in permanent overload (with nothing connected to it). On top of that where the table I'm supposed to put what I'm testing is instead a big blue plastic cabinet labeled "ACID" (fortunately it's empty). WTF!! People have been roaming around performing - in the words of one B.F. Pierce - "neatnesses" without any consideration of what they're moving around.

Comment by Raine on 01/24/2009 16:18:06
They Did WHAT?







:rofl:

Comment by Raine on 01/24/2009 16:19:58
Quote by trojanrabbit:

Of course if the Rethugs continue to get away with their obstructionist ways, the balance of power could shift in 2 years no matter who Obama took.



I think that's their plan.



Anyway, here at the Fortress of Solitude doing OT, but precious little will get done, I'm afraid. Nothing working right, apparently a Windows update went through last night and I know that if this computer gets rebooted it will be hell to get it going again. The snow on the roof is fouling up my measurements and one of the analyzers is stuck in permanent overload (with nothing connected to it). On top of that where the table I'm supposed to put what I'm testing is instead a big blue plastic cabinet labeled "ACID" (fortunately it's empty). WTF!! People have been roaming around performing - in the words of one B.F. Pierce - "neatnesses" without any consideration of what they're moving around.
Hang in there Rabbit!



And if I and the majority of Americans have a say in it... the republicans will NOT take over anytime soon. One thing I know, now is NOT the time to get complacent.



Comment by trojanrabbit on 01/24/2009 16:24:11
Quote by Raine:

Quote by trojanrabbit:

Of course if the Rethugs continue to get away with their obstructionist ways, the balance of power could shift in 2 years no matter who Obama took.



I think that's their plan.



Anyway, here at the Fortress of Solitude doing OT, but precious little will get done, I'm afraid. Nothing working right, apparently a Windows update went through last night and I know that if this computer gets rebooted it will be hell to get it going again. The snow on the roof is fouling up my measurements and one of the analyzers is stuck in permanent overload (with nothing connected to it). On top of that where the table I'm supposed to put what I'm testing is instead a big blue plastic cabinet labeled "ACID" (fortunately it's empty). WTF!! People have been roaming around performing - in the words of one B.F. Pierce - "neatnesses" without any consideration of what they're moving around.
Hang in there Rabbit!



And if I and the majority of Americans have a say in it... the republicans will NOT take over anytime soon. One thing I know, now is NOT the time to get complacent.





One thing I like is that now that there's an adult in charge at the White House, he has no problem calling out the liars like Limbaugh by name.



Comment by trojanrabbit on 01/24/2009 16:47:08
Quote by Raine:

Hang in there Rabbit!











Looks like one of the pieces of test equipment was damaged during the "neatness". Things got disconnected that should not have been, and whoever did it does not understand the concept of a "locking power connector". Oh well.





Comment by velveeta jones on 01/24/2009 16:58:48
Quote by Raine:

They Did WHAT?







:rofl:


Morning all! Let me see....... whats this video all aboot............ ........... ...........



oh, dear. :blink:

Comment by Raine on 01/24/2009 17:01:01
Comment by Raine on 01/24/2009 17:11:24
OK, Due to the way that video was coded, I am removing it... because every time I refresh... It tells me to own a piece of AMERICA HISTORY

Comment by Raine on 01/24/2009 17:12:42
Quote by velveeta jones:



Morning all! Let me see....... whats this video all aboot............ ........... ...........



oh, dear. :blink:




Comment by Mondobubba on 01/24/2009 18:03:21
Quote by Raine:

They Did WHAT?







:rofl:




:spit: :cleans raisin bran off screen:

Comment by TriSec on 01/24/2009 18:10:33
You know, up until Tuesday I wanted to know everything the president had his hands in.



Now I'm not so sure about that anymore.





Comment by Mondobubba on 01/24/2009 18:30:37
Quote by TriSec:

You know, up until Tuesday I wanted to know everything the president had his hands in.



Now I'm not so sure about that anymore.









Who said it was his hand?

Comment by trojanrabbit on 01/24/2009 19:40:53
Quote by TriSec:

You know, up until Tuesday I wanted to know everything the president had his hands in.



Now I'm not so sure about that anymore.







You know, I'm probably physically closer to you than anyone, yet I haven't met you yet.



One of these days.....



Comment by Raine on 01/24/2009 21:12:31
Quote by trojanrabbit:

You know, I'm probably physically closer to you than anyone, yet I haven't met you yet.



One of these days.....

I highly recommend a meeting with la Familia De TriSec!



Comment by Raine on 01/25/2009 00:18:45
Comment by trojanrabbit on 01/25/2009 00:48:43
Comment by trojanrabbit on 01/25/2009 01:18:11
Quote by Raine:





Get them NOW!!!




Could be worse, could be in genuine Liberian dollars payable in coin of the realm.

Comment by livingonli on 01/25/2009 02:33:45
Quote by TriSec:

You know, up until Tuesday I wanted to know everything the president had his hands in.



Now I'm not so sure about that anymore.





:rofl:

Comment by livingonli on 01/25/2009 02:36:21
Greetings everyone. Today I actually had an early shift at work and had to work 3 college basketball games in a row. Oh, they can be brutal.



But the good news is I am off tomorrow which will be my first Sunday off in 3 months.

Comment by TriSec on 01/25/2009 03:04:54
Quote by trojanrabbit:





You know, I'm probably physically closer to you than anyone, yet I haven't met you yet.



One of these days.....





Dial "02452" into your favorite mapping software, and there we are.





Comment by trojanrabbit on 01/25/2009 03:17:39
Quote by TriSec:

Quote by trojanrabbit:





You know, I'm probably physically closer to you than anyone, yet I haven't met you yet.



One of these days.....





Dial "02452" into your favorite mapping software, and there we are.



Kinda hard not to pass through there every weekday.