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Quit While We're Ahead
Author: starling310    Date: 11/19/2007 13:18:17

That’s correct, I said quit. I also said we’re ahead. Furthermore, I qualified my declaration that we are ahead with “ever so slightly.” While even 1 life being lost, to the Bush Crime Family’s successful divide, conquer and steal foreign policy, makes my stomach turn, the numbers seem to show signs of improvement; ever so slightly. There appears to be a decline in the number of brave men and woman that will never return home. There also seems to be an increase in the number of Iraqi civilians that will live to see another day in their homes; what is left of them. According to icasualties, American casualties in September and October were 65 and 38, respectively; down dramatically from the same time period in 2006. While this remains unacceptable, it does seem to present a more favorable environment for the United States to “quit while we’re ahead.” Why stick around and flip the bird to Lady Fate? Any reformed gambler would tell us that now is the time to cash in any winnings, if any, and quickly run to the nearest exit.

Where is the nearest exit and how do we get there? I could not begin to tell you. : larry craig : Let me be clear. I am not a military expert. I have never been a military expert. But I have a gut feeling that the current bill proposed by Congress, that will assuredly be vetoed by the Boy Wonder, won’t cut it! The bill :

Requires a transition in the mission of US forces in Iraq from primarily combat to: force protection and diplomatic protection; limited support to Iraqi security forces; and targeted counter-terrorism operations...

Prohibits deployment of any troops not fully equipped and trained; waivable with a presidential national security certification...

That's a handy loophole -- one big enough to drive a decades-long occupation through, even if it is "only" an occupation confined to those "enduring bases" we're spending so much money on. In this manner, Iraq will remain our staging platform for our neverending efforts to control the future of the Middle East, just as we have attempted to do ever since World War I. Continued. . .



A transition in the mission? “Mission Accomplished” was declared on May 1, 2003. Have we forgotten the flight suit and the cod piece? Our military did their job! Not to sound like a broken record, but there is no longer a military solution in Iraq. In fact, there has not been a military solution in, based on my non-expert calculations, about 4 and ½ years. The solution must be a democratic one, and cannot be brokered by the United States. Whether we like it or not, we are the enemy in Iraq.

But for the first time since the invasion in March 2003, there is a real opportunity for the two main blocs of Iraqi Arabs, the Sunni and Shia communities, to strike a deal. If such a deal were indeed struck, the Kurds would have little choice but to buy into it. Problem is, the United States cannot broker the deal. Having spent five years boosting sectarianism in Iraq, killing innocent Iraqis, busting down doors in small villages, and trying to turn Iraq into an American colony, the United States simply has no credibility left.

Any deal we broker, any leader we promote, any government we sponsor has just gotten the kiss of death. What unites Iraqi Arabs, from the Sunni resistance to the Mahdi Army, is opposition to the U.S. occupation of Iraq, as well as opposition to Al Qaeda and to Iran's heavy-handed interference in Iraqi affairs. Continued. . .


We all know that the Bush Crime Family doesn’t want to leave until they have their Oil Revenue Sharing deal. Harry Reid and Nancy Pelosi must disregard the Boy Wonder’s petulant demands, ignore his temper tantrums and propose a bill that does not “transition” our troops, but brings them home. Period.

On a slightly different note, if you haven’t had an opportunity to read “Screwed” by Thom Hartmann, or “The Shock Doctrine” by Naomi Klein, go immediately and add them to your Holiday Reading List. . . . I’ll wait. . . . .


Oh Good...You're back.

Finally, ‘tis the season to volunteer at your local Food Shelter or donate coats and sweaters that haven’t see the light of day in years.

Now, get in there and start blogging campers! They want to know where the protest and activism is. It’s right here, baby!
The donuts are fresh and the coffee is hot.

I am filling in for Raine today so it seems only right that I leave you with
and

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Comment by TriSec on 11/19/2007 13:51:15
Gah!



Well, I went and opened the 'parachute blog' at the same exact moment as this one was posted. Pay it no mind....we're blogging here!



Aside to star: We have an unofficial weekday "hard deck" of 8:30. Usually I'll post a stub if the regular blog hasn't been opened. But pay it no mind; no harm, no foul.





Comment by starling310 on 11/19/2007 13:58:54




So sorry....was not aware of the "hard decky thingy." I tried to have it posted by 8:15, but is a slow typer.



:(



Comment by starling310 on 11/19/2007 14:02:29


Comment by BobR on 11/19/2007 14:05:42
Morning, folks... :coffee:



Tri: I deleted the extra blog post...





Comment by TriSec on 11/19/2007 14:13:13
Ah, thank you kind sir. I didn't see that I had that power.









Comment by BobR on 11/19/2007 14:13:41
Momma & the Mooks! YOU HAVE A BLOG RIGHT HERE

Comment by livingonli on 11/19/2007 14:13:41
Good morning all.



:star: Nice blog entry there.

Comment by TriSec on 11/19/2007 14:13:51
Excuse me?



We're the blog!



: stamps foot :





Comment by livingonli on 11/19/2007 14:16:41
Someone needs to call in and represent.



I'll defer to the staff on this one.

Comment by starling310 on 11/19/2007 14:19:28
I have always thought Laura Ingraham was a very closeted Lesbian.



:shrug:

Comment by starling310 on 11/19/2007 14:20:42
Anyone have any thougts on refurbished cell phones?

Comment by livingonli on 11/19/2007 14:24:31
If the rumors about Laura and mAnn Coulter as well are true, aren't they the last people who should be giving advice on sexual abstinence?

Comment by livingonli on 11/19/2007 14:25:41
BobR, how was the weekend in Florida?

Comment by Will in Chicago on 11/19/2007 14:29:13
Good morning, bloggers!!



I hope that everyone is doing well.



While I am home today working on the Daily Headlines at UNN, I will be checking in.



It looks like the number of deaths in Iraq is down. However, this may be in part due to the success of different factions in ethnically cleansing neighborhoods and towns.

Comment by Will in Chicago on 11/19/2007 14:30:33
As a Jew, who supports peace between Israel, the Palestinians, and their neighbors, I am glad that Sean Hannity is not the prime minister of Israel. However, maybe a job can be found for him that is worthy of his talents. They could use a few more garbage collectors in Haifa.

Comment by Raine on 11/19/2007 14:32:41
Good morning!!! !!!!

Comment by Raine on 11/19/2007 14:35:58
Quote by will in chicago: As a Jew, who supports peace between Israel, the Palestinians, and their neighbors, I am glad that Sean Hannity is not the prime minister of Israel. However, maybe a job can be found for him that is worthy of his talents. They could use a few more garbage collectors in Haifa.
excellent!

Comment by livingonli on 11/19/2007 14:36:53
How does Fox News manage to be that free of facts?

Comment by starling310 on 11/19/2007 14:37:10
It would have ordered troop "transitions!" Troop transitions!



They need to stop giving him ANY MORE MONEY!!!!



Comment by starling310 on 11/19/2007 14:38:05
Quote by livingonli: How does Fox News manage to be that free of facts?




They are the "broken cookie" network. You know? When you break a cookie *poof* all of the fat and calories just fall out.



Comment by Raine on 11/19/2007 14:40:29
So how messed up is it when your lifelong republidad actually finda himself agreeing with you on more that 50% of the conversations you have in a weekend??? I don't think I am getting more conservative, nor do I think he is getting more liberal... whet I think is that these neo-cons REALLY have a found a way to unite the country...

Comment by starling310 on 11/19/2007 14:44:04
Quote by Raine: So how messed up is it when your lifelong republidad actually finda himself agreeing with you on more that 50% of the conversations you have in a weekend??? I don't think I am getting more conservative, nor do I think he is getting more liberal... whet I think is that these neo-cons REALLY have a found a way to unite the country...




:clap:



I think people are looking around and thinking "wait a minute! These guys were supposed to look out for me and gee" "I seem to be worse off than I used to be."



It's like uniting against the schoolyard bully.



Comment by livingonli on 11/19/2007 14:46:48
Quote by starling310:
Quote by Raine: So how messed up is it when your lifelong republidad actually finda himself agreeing with you on more that 50% of the conversations you have in a weekend??? I don't think I am getting more conservative, nor do I think he is getting more liberal... whet I think is that these neo-cons REALLY have a found a way to unite the country...




:clap:



I think people are looking around and thinking "wait a minute! These guys were supposed to look out for me and gee" "I seem to be worse off than I used to be."



It's like uniting against the schoolyard bully.



Anyone who still has a brain in their head, no matter what their political stripe agrees that this "president" may be the worst thing this country ever had. And all the middle-class conservatives must be noticing how everyone is saying the economy is so good but they are more in debt and are losing ground financially? Maybe many are now aware that the current Republicans only care about the top 1%.

Comment by Will in Chicago on 11/19/2007 14:47:14
George W. Bush is indeed a uniter. He first united most of the world against his policies, and is now doing so at home. (Somewhere, Richard Nixon may be gloating that he is going to look better in comparison with Bush.)

Comment by Raine on 11/19/2007 14:48:05
:prince: Pour some sugar on me!

Comment by livingonli on 11/19/2007 14:49:18
Raine, did you and BobR have a good weekend in Florida?

Comment by Will in Chicago on 11/19/2007 14:50:13
Is it me, or has George W. Bush moved the goal posts on Iraq so far that he will need NASA to help him move it any further? (Of course, knowing Bush, he may try to resurrect Jackie Gleason in the thought that if he could threaten to send Alice to the Moon, he can at least send the goal posts into Earth orbit.)

Comment by Raine on 11/19/2007 14:51:20
I may have some scandelous Dirt on Rudy btw... a result of conversations with my dad and uncle who were union guys in the late 70's in NYC and the metropolitan area... so far, all the little hints that they dropped have panned out to be true.

Comment by Raine on 11/19/2007 14:52:45
Quote by will in chicago: Is it me, or has George W. Bush moved the goal posts on Iraq so far that he will need NASA to help him move it any further? (Of course, knowing Bush, he may try to resurrect Jackie Gleason in the thought that if he could threaten to send Alice to the Moon, he can at least send the goal posts into Earth orbit.)
That should be funny, but I could see him doing that!

Comment by Raine on 11/19/2007 14:53:38
speaking of Florida... I have an amazing picture coming up from this weekend... stunning! Shocking! jaw dropping!

Comment by Will in Chicago on 11/19/2007 14:54:56
A hairy mystery creature in Florida? Okay, has anyone reported Rush Limbaugh missing?

Comment by livingonli on 11/19/2007 14:55:05
Quote by Raine: I may have some scandelous Dirt on Rudy btw... a result of conversations with my dad and uncle who were union guys in the late 70's in NYC and the metropolitan area... so far, all the little hints that they dropped have panned out to be true.





Oh, I can't wait until this lawsuit goes to trial. Anything that shoots down his candidacy is fine by me. I am worried that if he gets the nomination that enough idiots (with a little help from vote rigging) will put him in the White House.

Comment by Raine on 11/19/2007 14:55:33
Our weekend was wonderful btw. we had a great time visiting our friends... and then we spent the rest of the time having cocktails and eating food and laughing and telling dirty joes at republidad's place. good times... good times...

Comment by starling310 on 11/19/2007 14:58:54
Ugh...I would NOT want to be a boy. So much pressure to be "macho."



Comment by livingonli on 11/19/2007 14:59:03
Miss Arizona does the Star Wars Trumpet solo.





Comment by starling310 on 11/19/2007 15:02:47
So, I am thinking once the writer's strike is over, Bill Maher will no longer be a FREE podcast.







It always seemed too good to be true.

Comment by wickedpam on 11/19/2007 15:03:33
MOrning! :hug:

Comment by starling310 on 11/19/2007 15:07:04
Hola Mala.



Comment by starling310 on 11/19/2007 15:09:05
My ears are bleeding!

Comment by wickedpam on 11/19/2007 15:09:13
Hey Star and all!







At one time in my life I could play the Star Wars theme on my flute.

Comment by livingonli on 11/19/2007 15:09:20
Good morning Mala. How was your weekend?

Comment by starling310 on 11/19/2007 15:10:46
I resent the fact that Momma and the Mooks have ruined quite a few songs for me.





Comment by starling310 on 11/19/2007 15:13:03
Rest assured Connelly. There are lots of misfit "soccer moms" out there. I am friends with several of them!



Comment by starling310 on 11/19/2007 15:14:15
Go ahead and yump!



:rofl:

Comment by wickedpam on 11/19/2007 15:15:12
Not bad. Put up the outside Christmas decorations so all I have to do next weekend is light it up and decorate inside.

Comment by starling310 on 11/19/2007 15:16:25
Hold me closer tiny roooobot...





Comment by Raine on 11/19/2007 15:18:04
MY computer is soooo... sloooow this morning......

Comment by Raine on 11/19/2007 15:20:54
So, you have five minutes to guess what this is:
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y59/raine1967/504249f0.jpg
I guess per person.


Comment by starling310 on 11/19/2007 15:21:15
A lemon?



Comment by Raine on 11/19/2007 15:22:56
Quote by livingonli: Miss Arizona does the Star Wars Trumpet solo.


Comment by Raine on 11/19/2007 15:24:26
Quote by starling310: A lemon?
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y59/raine1967/5fcf0d8c.jpg


Comment by BobR on 11/19/2007 15:24:39
Quote by starling310:



:clap:



I think people are looking around and thinking "wait a minute! These guys were supposed to look out for me and gee" "I seem to be worse off than I used to be."



It's like uniting against the schoolyard bully.



It seemed like once we got past the knee-jerk reactions, we were agreeing 80% of the time what the problems were. Of course, we disagreed quite a bit on what the solutions were, but that's expected. It was like a step back in time...

Comment by wickedpam on 11/19/2007 15:24:46
Quote by Raine:
So, you have five minutes to guess what this is:


http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y59/raine1967/504249f0.jpg


I guess per person.






Breadfruit?



Comment by TriSec on 11/19/2007 15:26:19
It's an actual Neocon pod.



Since they're all wholesome and pure and never have sex (at least not with members of the opposite sex), the only way they can reproduce is by spawning and growing the embryos in fibrous husks.





Comment by Raine on 11/19/2007 15:28:29
It is a ponderosa lemon... the thing is as big as a cantelope!!!

Comment by starling310 on 11/19/2007 15:29:38
Quote by BobR:

It seemed like once we got past the knee-jerk reactions, we were agreeing 80% of the time what the problems were. Of course, we disagreed quite a bit on what the solutions were, but that's expected. It was like a step back in time...




Yup! It's just took everyone to stop yelling before they realized they were talking about the same thing.





Comment by starling310 on 11/19/2007 15:30:19
That's one huge lemon!



: michael scott : That's what she said.

Comment by wickedpam on 11/19/2007 15:30:36
That's a lemon?!



What does one do with lemon that size, besides make a gallon of lemonade?

Comment by starling310 on 11/19/2007 15:32:35
When life gives you REALLY HUGE lemons.....

Comment by Raine on 11/19/2007 15:34:59
Quote by wickedpam: That's a lemon?! What does one do with lemon that size, besides make a gallon of lemonade?
OR a monster catch of MArgarita MIx!... Which as life would have it... we make both!!!

Comment by Raine on 11/19/2007 15:35:45
Quote by starling310: When life gives you REALLY HUGE lemons.....
AMEN!! LIfe gave us 6 of them!!! :D

Comment by wickedpam on 11/19/2007 15:35:46
Well! Party On!

Comment by livingonli on 11/19/2007 15:36:23
Time to head off to the doctor as Momma pushes the wrong buttons on her box.

Comment by Raine on 11/19/2007 15:36:51
Quote by starling310:
Quote by BobR: It seemed like once we got past the knee-jerk reactions, we were agreeing 80% of the time what the problems were. Of course, we disagreed quite a bit on what the solutions were, but that's expected. It was like a step back in time...
Yup! It's just took everyone to stop yelling before they realized they were talking about the same thing.
IT truly was strange.... But very interesting...

Comment by TriSec on 11/19/2007 15:38:44
Ponderosa Lemon, eh?



Can we get them up here in the wintry north? I bet I could make a wing-dinger of a batch of East Boston Lemonade (note the proper noun) with one of those!





Comment by TriSec on 11/19/2007 15:40:27
Ooh! The flying spaghetti monster!



Rachel was talking about this on Friday. This could be the religion for the TriSecs, as I fear his noodly appendage!











Comment by starling310 on 11/19/2007 15:42:53
London Calling bump!

Comment by Raine on 11/19/2007 15:47:32
Google Lewis D'Avanzo, that is Rudy's First Cousin...(little hint...) HE was shot and killed by the FBI...

Comment by starling310 on 11/19/2007 15:48:28
Isn't that kind of a loophole.

We can't use electricity....well, technically we can "use" it. We just can't initiate it.



:rofl:

Comment by starling310 on 11/19/2007 15:49:04
Oh Kevin...



Yeah, you've been missed.

Comment by Raine on 11/19/2007 15:50:13
Quote by starling310: Oh Kevin... Yeah, you've been missed.


Comment by Raine on 11/19/2007 15:51:03
:rofl: He makes you act like a slut, is what he does

Comment by TriSec on 11/19/2007 15:52:13
*sigh*



Hilary has so many flaws, can't we attack them on substance, instead of this childish obsession on the cackle?





Comment by Raine on 11/19/2007 15:52:42
:rofl: DJ jazzyjewhelper!!

Comment by wickedpam on 11/19/2007 15:52:44
DJ Jazzy Jew Helper :rofl:

Comment by starling310 on 11/19/2007 15:52:44
Is there some Momma laugh mixed in with the Dr. Evil laugh mix?



I swear I hear some Momma at the end.



I think we should play it again and listen carefully!

Comment by starling310 on 11/19/2007 15:54:26
Hillary? Do you like Pearl Necklaces?



:doh:

Comment by Raine on 11/19/2007 15:54:35
:Star: btw.... THANK YOU so much for this morning! you did a great job!

Comment by TriSec on 11/19/2007 15:55:16
Ya know, I own this. It's even in the proper key for my instrument.



The music isn't hard; it's in an easy register and it's easy to sight-read.





Comment by starling310 on 11/19/2007 16:01:40
Quote by Raine: btw.... THANK YOU so much for this morning! you did a great job!




Thank you. Thank you.

I realized after that I should have done "Insert Fold" but, I couldn't go back and edit at that point. Ah well...



Comment by Raine on 11/19/2007 16:02:21
Quote by starling310: Hillary? Do you like Pearl Necklaces? :doh:
:rimshot :D

Comment by Raine on 11/19/2007 16:03:37
Quote by starling310:
Quote by Raine: btw.... THANK YOU so much for this morning! you did a great job!
Thank you. Thank you. I realized after that I should have done "Insert Fold" but, I couldn't go back and edit at that point. Ah well...
you can't edit???

Comment by BobR on 11/19/2007 16:04:01
Quote by starling310: Hillary? Do you like Pearl Necklaces?



:doh:


How about a Dirty Sanchez?

Comment by Raine on 11/19/2007 16:08:00
ALEX JONES!!! YAY!!!

Comment by starling310 on 11/19/2007 16:09:06
Quote by Raine:
Quote by starling310:
Quote by Raine: btw.... THANK YOU so much for this morning! you did a great job!




Thank you. Thank you.

I realized after that I should have done "Insert Fold" but, I couldn't go back and edit at that point. Ah well...

you can't edit???





There is no Edit button on my post. :shrug:



Comment by Raine on 11/19/2007 16:12:29
:star: you should see up in th e actions box, something that says *Edit this Blog entry*

Comment by Raine on 11/19/2007 16:13:26
WEll, I am very happy to hear good health news about Momma. for the return of the friend!!! We can now take those eggs off the side of the milk carton!

Comment by starling310 on 11/19/2007 16:14:12
No, ma'am...My "Actions" box contains only "Create New Blog Entry."



S'alright. . .I just didn't intend for my post to take up so much space.

Comment by starling310 on 11/19/2007 16:14:50
HA! Jim, agreed!



Randi steals a lot of stuff and then makes it worse by insisting that she said it first. Whatever Randi.

Comment by Raine on 11/19/2007 16:15:25
Holy crap ... how uncomfortable is that meeting with bush and gore going to be??

Comment by wickedpam on 11/19/2007 16:15:43
bush is looking forward to Gore being there? Al bring a food taster!

Comment by TriSec on 11/19/2007 16:15:53
Dear "President" Bush???



I did that! Me! I used the quotation marks first!!!







Comment by Raine on 11/19/2007 16:16:26
:rofl:

Comment by Raine on 11/19/2007 16:18:20
Quote by wickedpam: bush is looking forward to Gore being there? Al bring a food taster!
yes!!! IT is a little strange that they are parctically falling over themselves to get him there.

Comment by starling310 on 11/19/2007 16:18:22
Kind of like Nicolas Cage's "Italian" accent in "Captain Corelli's Mandolin."







:thud:

Comment by wickedpam on 11/19/2007 16:18:25
Hey the only real reason to watch Robin Hood Prince of Thieves is for Alan Rickman steal the whole movie.

Comment by wickedpam on 11/19/2007 16:19:18
Xena? The warrior princess?

Comment by starling310 on 11/19/2007 16:20:34
Quote by Raine:
Quote by wickedpam: bush is looking forward to Gore being there? Al bring a food taster!
yes!!! IT is a little strange that they are parctically falling over themselves to get him there.





He better look up when he walks through the door. The Boy Wonder's genius mind, might think it would be HIGHlarious to rig a bucket of paint on a string.

Comment by BobR on 11/19/2007 16:22:57
Quote by starling310: No, ma'am...My "Actions" box contains only "Create New Blog Entry."



S'alright. . .I just didn't intend for my post to take up so much space.


How about a link at the bottom of the blog post that says "Edit this blog entry"?

Comment by Raine on 11/19/2007 16:27:46
OH NO!!! Ms. Arizona! On the Radio....

Comment by wickedpam on 11/19/2007 16:28:18
Star Wars! Nothing but Star Wars!

Comment by starling310 on 11/19/2007 16:29:15
Quote by BobR:
Quote by starling310: No, ma'am...My "Actions" box contains only "Create New Blog Entry."



S'alright. . .I just didn't intend for my post to take up so much space.


How about a link at the bottom of the blog post that says "Edit this blog entry"?




No Sir.





Comment by Mondobubba on 11/19/2007 16:32:42
Quote by wickedpam: Hey the only real reason to watch Robin Hood Prince of Thieves is for Alan Rickman steal the whole movie.






:rofl: So right, Ms Mala. Brother Mondo & I were discussing that very point last night. We were watching part o' "Dogma" which Mr Rickman is in also. He is great, the perfect Snape, too.



No playing: "So What"/ Miles Dewey Davis. Cannonball's solo. :eyes roll up, wets self:



Comment by Mondobubba on 11/19/2007 16:34:34
Quote by starling310: Hillary? Do you like Pearl Necklaces?



:doh:




:star: That is a five minute major, with a possible game ejection!

Comment by Raine on 11/19/2007 16:35:16
Mondo! HollAAAAA!

Comment by Mondobubba on 11/19/2007 16:37:19
Damn, time flies back to hell on earth.

Comment by Raine on 11/19/2007 16:37:37
It's a sad day when suddenly you feel bad for PAris hilton.

Comment by starling310 on 11/19/2007 16:38:11
Quote by Mondobubba:
Quote by starling310: Hillary? Do you like Pearl Necklaces?



:doh:




:star: That is a five minute major, with a possible game ejection!




: skates to penalty box :





Comment by starling310 on 11/19/2007 16:40:28
Quote by Raine: It's a sad day when suddenly you feel bad for PAris hilton.







I've always felt kind of bad for Paris Hilton; she has no concept of anything. That's just plain sad.



That being said, I'd love to have her "problems" for 1 day.



Comment by starling310 on 11/19/2007 16:44:00
"And, now contestant number 21, Stephanie Miller, will play the 'Love Boat' theme on that elusive musical instrument; the recorder! Let's hear it Stephanie!"

Comment by Raine on 11/19/2007 16:46:11
That is a good point about Paris... and yeah... just one day...

Comment by starling310 on 11/19/2007 16:47:04
Yeah, 1 day to spend crying about how rich I am. Boo hoo.



Comment by starling310 on 11/19/2007 16:47:36
"I eat cantaloupe?"

Comment by Raine on 11/19/2007 16:50:30
Ahhh Atlanta doing me proud again....

Comment by wickedpam on 11/19/2007 16:51:43
Just had a Gary Larson "deer snickering" image run through my head.

Comment by Raine on 11/19/2007 16:51:49
Bush has been branded.

Comment by Raine on 11/19/2007 16:53:02
Quote by wickedpam: Just had a Gary Larson "deer snickering" image run through my head.
I still miss the Far side.

Comment by starling310 on 11/19/2007 16:53:38
Maaaala.....

Were you fluting outside Chris's window? :bad:

Comment by Raine on 11/19/2007 16:53:44
:rofl: That is the worst trumpet playing... :rofl:

Comment by wickedpam on 11/19/2007 16:54:15
Me too. Occasionally I run across one I haven't seen and it makes me laugh.

Comment by Raine on 11/19/2007 16:54:33
When I worked at the xtra mart, it weas shocking how hostile the beverage vendors are to each other.

Comment by wickedpam on 11/19/2007 16:55:15
Quote by starling310: Maaaala.....

Were you fluting outside Chris's window? :bad:






Nope - My flute is saftly stored away in the office closet. That this is so out of tune it could wake the dead and drum up a bunch of cats.

Comment by Raine on 11/19/2007 16:55:53
I never fake!!!!

Comment by wickedpam on 11/19/2007 16:56:07
Quote by Raine: When I worked at the xtra mart, it weas shocking how hostile the beverage vendors are to each other.




Never had that problem. Any time I've gone into the market everyone's been nice.



Comment by Raine on 11/19/2007 16:57:06
Plus... and this the best reason to be a woman: it is simply fun being a Woman. ;)

Comment by starling310 on 11/19/2007 16:57:47
". . .taking credit for someone else's work. . . "



Eh hem...Randi.



Comment by Raine on 11/19/2007 16:58:43
Time to go do some more of the T-day shopping... I will be back latah!

Comment by wickedpam on 11/19/2007 16:59:17
Quote by Raine: Plus... and this the best reason to be a woman: it is simply fun being a Woman. ;)






We can shop for the better accessories.



Comment by starling310 on 11/19/2007 17:03:05
8 and 9 year olds charged with rape?



Good Lord. . . and they are not sure if they should be tried as adults?

Yeah, that'll fix them. Send 'em to jail! Yeah....or maybe, there's a freakin' problem with messages that kids are getting. Maybe these kids might benefit from intensive therapy. NO, I am not excusing what they did, if it turns out they did it. But, seriously? An 8 year old should go to jail?



Comment by starling310 on 11/19/2007 17:10:56
Thom using a Gambler reference! And, I used one in my blog today.





Comment by Raine on 11/19/2007 17:13:18
The Flying Spagetti Monster.... ... ok, I really have to head out and do the errands! LATER!

Comment by TriSec on 11/19/2007 17:17:41
Lunch awaits us.



lunch awaits us, indeed.



Lift up your lunch.



It is right to give lunch thanks and praise.



The management of 4F wishes to apologize to any devout Catholics on this message board. No insult or disparagement was intended by this parody.





Comment by livingonli on 11/19/2007 17:19:07
Back from the Doc and other stuff. Didn't lose any weight (didn't gain any either), but my blood sugar numbers are getting better.



I get back in time to hear the wacky extremist from nutjob Inhofe's office. He was the same senator who objected to NBC showing "Schindler's List" uncut because of the nudity. Yeah, like concentration camp inmates can get you hot.

Comment by starling310 on 11/19/2007 18:11:40
:prince: <------- Lower Blood Sugar Dance!



Comment by TriSec on 11/19/2007 19:19:27
Thus the metric system did not really catch on in the States, unless you count the increasing popularity of the nine-millimeter bullet.

Dave Barry

US columnist & humorist (1947 - )





Comment by TriSec on 11/19/2007 19:20:40
I hate life, I hate death and everything in between just doesn't interest me.

Chris Rapier

Comment by TriSec on 11/19/2007 19:21:30
No government can be long secure without formidable opposition.

Benjamin Disraeli

British politician (1804 - 1881)





Comment by TriSec on 11/19/2007 19:21:47


Comment by TriSec on 11/19/2007 19:34:53
Comment by livingonli on 11/19/2007 19:35:19
Time for me to slog off to the salt mine. :kickcan:



I have to stop at corporate and get a new badge because mine broke over the weekend.

Comment by TriSec on 11/19/2007 19:36:49
Hello? Hello? Hello?



Wow! Wow! Wow!



:kickcan:





Comment by starling310 on 11/19/2007 19:37:55
Does Thom really believe this about the pigeons? I am concerned.

Comment by starling310 on 11/19/2007 19:47:22
Isn't it funny how cats have their own personalities. 1 of my cats, Sophie, wakes up from her nap and immediately starts talking to me. There is nothing wrong, she just wants to communicate. She gets down from her perch, comes over to my chair, gets on my lap and "Meow Meow Meow...." I give her a pet and ask her how her nap was, and then off she goes.



:shrug:



Too funny.

The other cat rarely talks...unless he wants to be picked up, as has been previously discussed.

Comment by Raine on 11/19/2007 20:23:17
hello! Shopping 80% done! NOW.... WHAT is this I missed? CNN had Dem op asking questions? This does not really please me.

Comment by starling310 on 11/19/2007 20:24:21
Ya know, the Diamon/Pearl question may have been for sh*ts and giggles, but maybe Hillary could've used it as an opportunity to talk about conflict free diamonds and the fact there are places in the world where human beings are killed and/or mutilated so people can have more *bling* than their neighbor.



Not to be "debbie downer" or anything.





Here's a better question, Hils:



Comment by TriSec on 11/19/2007 20:27:28
Quote by Raine: hello! Shopping 80% done!




Well gee, I'm about 80% done thinking about when I should start to shop.





Comment by starling310 on 11/19/2007 20:27:53
Hmmm...this caller thinks the wRight is afraid of Hils.



I don't think so. I think they're afraid of people like Edwards and Biden....maybe even Obama.



Comment by starling310 on 11/19/2007 20:29:12
Quote by TriSec:
Quote by Raine: hello! Shopping 80% done!




Well gee, I'm about 80% done thinking about when I should start to shop.







I tried to go at lunch today and it was crawling with people. EEP!

I am going back tonight around 10:00

Then again, I only need a few things.



Comment by Raine on 11/19/2007 20:30:09
I am glad to hear about you blood sugar Liv... baby steps...

Comment by starling310 on 11/19/2007 20:39:46
Howard Dean was at the debate the other night.



Comment by Raine on 11/19/2007 20:42:11
I have been saying this as as well... if we do what the republicans do, we are no better than the republicans. And Rainie don't play that.

Comment by Raine on 11/19/2007 21:01:10
Quote by starling310: Ya know, the Diamon/Pearl question may have been for sh*ts and giggles, but maybe Hillary could've used it as an opportunity to talk about conflict free diamonds and the fact there are places in the world where human beings are killed and/or mutilated so people can have more *bling* than their neighbor. Not to be "debbie downer" or anything. Here's a better question, Hils:
I don't think that is debbie downer at all... it is a great question!...

Comment by Raine on 11/19/2007 21:02:43
Quote by TriSec:
Quote by Raine: hello! Shopping 80% done!
Well gee, I'm about 80% done thinking about when I should start to shop.
should be on the menu!

Comment by Raine on 11/19/2007 21:04:06
This story on the news is freaking me out a bit...

Comment by starling310 on 11/19/2007 21:11:49
Which story?

Comment by starling310 on 11/19/2007 21:12:27
Should I keep working or call it a day a wee bit early?

Comment by starling310 on 11/19/2007 21:18:48
That is the difference isn't it?



Back in "the day" candidates used debates to flesh out the details of their respective plans. Today, it is assumed that voters have gone to every candidates website and read all of the plans they have.

:scratchhead:

That's a lot of reading. I would wager that most people haven't done it.

Randi is correct; Barack saying "Senator Clinton's plan mandates health care..." and Hillary responding with No it doesn't... tells me squat.

I don't know the meat and potatoes of Hillary's plan, or Obama's plan for that matter. It's partly my fault. I haven't taken the time to read either of them and I am an "informed voter." What does that tell you?

It tells me that these debates should be used to provide details, enlighten and inform.



I am sure this point has been made before, but it just crystalized for me.

Comment by Raine on 11/19/2007 21:19:44
Quote by starling310: Should I keep working or call it a day a wee bit early?
is it nice out? I say sneak on out! ... The story I was freaking out about was the one about Canada not taking in American political refugee soldiers... :(

Comment by Raine on 11/19/2007 21:22:12
Quote by starling310: That is It tells me that these debates should be used to provide details, enlighten and inform. I am sure this point has been made before, but it just crystalized for me.
It's true, it is why I decided to not start watching any of them until a few months before the first primaries. I truly miss the days when we learned something about the candidates in the debates. ..

Comment by starling310 on 11/19/2007 21:22:34
Quote by Raine:
Quote by starling310: Should I keep working or call it a day a wee bit early?
is it nice out? I say sneak on out! ... The story I was freaking out about was the one about Canada not taking in American political refugee soldiers... :(





It's pretty cold out. But, I am working from home anyway, so it's just matter of deciding to not do any more work. I will still be logged on in the event of an emergency. But, I won't actually be doing anything....I will be playing with the cats, or reading, etc.....



Friggin' Canada!

They won't be taking American Ex-Pats anymore either, most likely.



Comment by Raine on 11/19/2007 21:23:52
I tell you what... EVERY debate should use the same rules that debate clubs use in High school and college. Tough shit if the debate takes too much time.

Comment by starling310 on 11/19/2007 21:26:20
Quote by Raine:
Quote by starling310: That is

It tells me that these debates should be used to provide details, enlighten and inform.

I am sure this point has been made before, but it just crystalized for me.
It's true, it is why I decided to not start watching any of them until a few months before the first primaries.



I truly miss the days when we learned something about the candidates in the debates. ..





The candidates have gotten lazy. What's worse; they are relying on a predominately lazy electorate to do all the research that, in the past, came from answering questions.



Comment by Raine on 11/19/2007 21:31:41
That is what is making me nervous... tha tthey won't accept ex pats... One of the most amazing things in my discussions with my father and uncle, (bith vets, uncle was a marine in Nam) is that they told me... get my passport and get ready to leave this country, unless I was planning on getting a gun, and even then, they said think about leaving. They said they were too old to fight, but the writing they said is on the wall ... I still hope for things to change... they are so jaded it was stunning.

Comment by Raine on 11/19/2007 21:33:31
:star: if you ever want to do another blog, do not be afraid to say so! The only days that are not flexible is our ask a vet tuesday and Libertarian SAturday... WE always have an opening for ANYONE if they want to do a Sunday blog, and you know, we CAN have more than one blog a day. Just saying.

Comment by Raine on 11/19/2007 21:36:32
Quote by starling310: The candidates have gotten lazy. What's worse; they are relying on a predominately lazy electorate to do all the research that, in the past, came from answering questions.
That is so damn true. You know there are still a LOT of people who don't have the access to the information that we have... and now we are raising children to be sppon fed things. They teach to the test... that is spoon fed education...

Comment by livingonli on 11/19/2007 21:36:58
Quote by starling310:
Quote by Raine:
Quote by starling310: Should I keep working or call it a day a wee bit early?
is it nice out? I say sneak on out! ... The story I was freaking out about was the one about Canada not taking in American political refugee soldiers... :(





It's pretty cold out. But, I am working from home anyway, so it's just matter of deciding to not do any more work. I will still be logged on in the event of an emergency. But, I won't actually be doing anything....I will be playing with the cats, or reading, etc.....



Friggin' Canada!

They won't be taking American Ex-Pats anymore either, most likely.



I've been saying that I wanted to go to Canada if the shit hits the fan. But the problems is the current Tory Prime Minister Stephen Harper. It seems like his nose is so up Bush's that his face should be brown. Even though he only has a minority government, the lackluster leadership of Canada's Liberal Party and the fact that not enough people are willing to give the NDP a chance. Although the impression I have always have had with the Canadians I've worked or spoken with that outside ot the Prairie Regio, there is not much support for American Style right-wing neo-conservatism.

Comment by starling310 on 11/19/2007 21:37:40
Quote by Raine: That is what is making me nervous... tha tthey won't accept ex pats... One of the most amazing things in my discussions with my father and uncle, (bith vets, uncle was a marine in Nam) is that they told me... get my passport and get ready to leave this country, unless I was planning on getting a gun, and even then, they said think about leaving. They said they were too old to fight, but the writing they said is on the wall ... I still hope for things to change... they are so jaded it was stunning.








I think my passport has until '09.





Comment by Raine on 11/19/2007 21:38:29
We should NOT be having CORPORATE SPONSORED DEBATES!!!!!!!! end of story

Comment by Raine on 11/19/2007 21:39:32
I would LOVE for congress to try this... and bear with me...

Comment by Raine on 11/19/2007 21:41:41
Since we can't get public funding for campaigns... Debates should by law, only be broadcast on Public television... left and right debates, all primaries. it goes on either PBS, public access or c-span. And let those debates be funded federally.

Comment by starling310 on 11/19/2007 21:42:45
Oh my goodness...my babies are snuggled up together in front of the wood stove.

:wub2:

Comment by Raine on 11/19/2007 21:43:57
ok... we know the solution... the problem is how to get people to IMPLEMENT the solution!!!! :grumble:

Comment by starling310 on 11/19/2007 21:44:35
Quote by Raine: Since we can't get public funding for campaigns... Debates should by law, only be broadcast on Public television... left and right debates, all primaries. it goes on either PBS, public access or c-span. And let those debates be funded federally.




I'd support that. And, they should not be moderated by journalists, or pundits.

How about a Law School professor?

Or, aren't there trained moderators out there?



Comment by starling310 on 11/19/2007 21:45:21
Ew, Randi...being snotty to a caller again.

Very annoying. I may need to stop listening to her for a while.

Familiarity breeds contempt.



Comment by Raine on 11/19/2007 21:45:29
Quote by starling310: Oh my goodness...my babies are snuggled up together in front of the wood stove. :wub2:
Pictures! (whicjh reminds me... I MAY post a picture of my dad...

Comment by livingonli on 11/19/2007 21:47:17
Quote by Raine: Since we can't get public funding for campaigns... Debates should by law, only be broadcast on Public television... left and right debates, all primaries. it goes on either PBS, public access or c-span. And let those debates be funded federally.


They should be at least back to when the League of Women Voters and not promotional vehicles for the cable channels and Clean Coal. It also used to be when the debates were broadcast by all the networks commercial free. Why did CNN put commercial breaks in the debate?

Comment by Raine on 11/19/2007 21:47:33
Quote by starling310:
Quote by Raine: Since we can't get public funding for campaigns... Debates should by law, only be broadcast on Public television... left and right debates, all primaries. it goes on either PBS, public access or c-span. And let those debates be funded federally.
I'd support that. And, they should not be moderated by journalists, or pundits. How about a Law School professor? Or, aren't there trained moderators out there?
I LOVE that! how about political professors... Constitutional Professors....and LAW professors! beautiful.

Comment by starling310 on 11/19/2007 21:47:37
Quote by Raine:
Quote by starling310: Oh my goodness...my babies are snuggled up together in front of the wood stove.

:wub2:
Pictures! (whicjh reminds me... I MAY post a picture of my dad...





I'll have to switch to my other computer. Hold Please.



Comment by livingonli on 11/19/2007 21:49:27
Quote by starling310: Oh my goodness...my babies are snuggled up together in front of the wood stove.

:wub2:


Now that's a picture that the world needs to see of cute kitties.

Comment by starling310 on 11/19/2007 21:53:02
I'll post it. Why does everything take an hour to open on my personal laptop?

Words of wisdom, Sony Vaio is not a good choice. . . slow, slow, slow.



Comment by Raine on 11/19/2007 22:04:13
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y59/raine1967/96decc25.jpg
There he is... looking at my step mom, with a lot of love.


Comment by livingonli on 11/19/2007 22:07:29
Hard to picture someone looking like that would be a right-wing Republican. I would almost think he was a hippie.

Comment by livingonli on 11/19/2007 22:09:37
I thought The Game 365 was supposed to feature sports figures. Tonight, we have a Ray Kelly interview. Before that, they had the guy who played Uncle Bobby on The Sopranos.

Comment by Raine on 11/19/2007 22:15:18
Quote by livingonli: Hard to picture someone looking like that would be a right-wing Republican. I would almost think he was a hippie.
HE is an enigma wrappe... Actually, you are right, he DOES look like an old hippie. he is one of the most amazing people I know. I disagree with him on almost everything politically, and yet, he still amazes me. I wish I was a writer, I swear, there is a book there.

Comment by Raine on 11/19/2007 22:16:19
I have been trying to tell people how Bernie was in IRaq for a while now.

Comment by starling310 on 11/19/2007 22:19:36
It's not a great picture, but there are 2 kitties there, in front of the fire:

http://lh5.google.com/terrimd0718/R0IKjB72sII/AAAAAAAAAhA/nz0seJPageU/P1010140.JPG?imgmax=512


Comment by Raine on 11/19/2007 22:21:12
:rofl: I mean seriously..... look at republidad's suspenders! he has been wearing them (this is prolly his 5th pair) for probably 25 years! (sorry everyone... I do not see my dad very oft)

Comment by livingonli on 11/19/2007 22:23:29
Quote by Raine: I have been trying to tell people how Bernie was in IRaq for a while now.


And how he did such a terrible job at it. Ghouilani seems to be even more into having :butt:-kissing hacks than Bush is. And that's a feat unto itself.

Comment by Raine on 11/19/2007 22:23:48
:wub2:, AWWW! starling, that is so very sweet! I gotta go find camille and hug her...

Comment by livingonli on 11/19/2007 22:24:36
The Kitties just want to chill out.

Comment by Raine on 11/19/2007 22:25:42
BTW... I met a wonderful love muffin called RIO!!!! I Rio.

Comment by livingonli on 11/19/2007 22:26:06
Can Camille come out and play?

Comment by livingonli on 11/19/2007 22:28:04
Quote by Raine: BTW... I met a wonderful love muffin called RIO!!!! I Rio.


So, is he everything Mondo said he was? What about Mondo's other cats?

Comment by starling310 on 11/19/2007 22:30:20
Quote by Raine: I mean seriously..... look at republidad's suspenders! he has been wearing them (this is prolly his 5th pair) for probably 25 years! (sorry everyone... I do not see my dad very oft)




Those suspenders rock!

Comment by starling310 on 11/19/2007 22:32:03
Quote by Raine: :wub2:, AWWW! starling, that is so very sweet! I gotta go find camille and hug her...


Aren't they cute!

Comment by Raine on 11/19/2007 22:36:49
Quote by starling310: Those suspenders rock!
I know!!! HE has actually said to me that he wants to be buried in them. (yeah, ok dad... )

Comment by livingonli on 11/19/2007 22:37:28
I wish I could have a pet. I want a cat of my own. Then again, I would have to clear out a lot of space in my apartment. I have too much clutter.

Comment by starling310 on 11/19/2007 22:39:45
Quote by Raine:
Quote by starling310:

Those suspenders rock!
I know!!! HE has actually said to me that he wants to be buried in them. (yeah, ok dad...

)




Aw...if that will make Republidad happy?

Comment by livingonli on 11/19/2007 22:43:34
BTW, tonight at work, we have Islanders-Rangers (both team feeds). I'm in FSN New York tonight which means I have the Islander version.

Comment by starling310 on 11/19/2007 22:44:19
Quote by livingonli: I wish I could have a pet. I want a cat of my own. Then again, I would have to clear out a lot of space in my apartment. I have too much clutter.




I read somewhere ( I wish I could remember where ) that cats don't like clutter. They are more calm in an environment that is organized and relatively static.

I see that a bit with my two. The other day, I moved a shelving unit from the closet to the dining area and they studied it for an hour or two. I think their curiosity makes them anxious if things are always getting moved, etc.



Speaking of cats, have to go and learn how to give my friend's diabetic cat her meds.

:nervous:



Comment by starling310 on 11/19/2007 22:45:31
She has to get a needle of insulin.

And, I have to give it to her.

Double



But, she's used to it. Poor thing.



Comment by livingonli on 11/19/2007 22:49:00
Quote by starling310: She has to get a needle of insulin.

And, I have to give it to her.

Double



But, she's used to it. Poor thing.



It's bad enough as a person. I guess unless the cat is used to it, that's a lot of work to give the cat medicine.

Comment by Raine on 11/19/2007 22:56:42
for the record... I think I convinced republidad to vote for Edwards...

Comment by livingonli on 11/19/2007 23:01:28
Quote by Raine: for the record... I think I convinced republidad to vote for Edwards...


Yay!

Comment by Raine on 11/19/2007 23:23:26
I should go turn on the TV machine soon, huh? The couch is calling, saying, " Raine, you have not laid on me for almost 4 days!!!"

Comment by livingonli on 11/19/2007 23:40:33
That couch is a slut, SLUT! Look at it SLUT!!

Comment by Raine on 11/19/2007 23:45:43
Quote by livingonli: That couch is a slut, SLUT! Look at it SLUT!!
:rofl:

Comment by livingonli on 11/20/2007 00:02:55
I figured you would like that.

Comment by Mondobubba on 11/20/2007 01:06:34
Well Rudy's being shit hammered by Keith tonight.



:double take: What is that Simpsonized Olberman there??? :thud:

Comment by Mondobubba on 11/20/2007 01:13:29
Quote by livingonli: That couch is a slut, SLUT! Look at it SLUT!!






:rofl: Priceless Livin, priceless!

Comment by Mondobubba on 11/20/2007 01:22:00
Comment by Mondobubba on 11/20/2007 01:33:10
Quote by wickedpam: That's a lemon?!



What does one do with lemon that size, besides make a gallon of lemonade?






:scans blog: That gives the term "monster lemons" a new twist. : skates to penalty box:

Comment by Mondobubba on 11/20/2007 01:36:44
Well where the hell is everybody??

Comment by livingonli on 11/20/2007 02:01:25
Trying to eat my dinner while working. As for everyone else.

Comment by TriSec on 11/20/2007 02:06:58
Lonely TriSec here on patrol.



Feeling like Ice Station Zebra around here.



http://www.kadiak.org/air/pby59attu1943nov.jpg


Comment by TriSec on 11/20/2007 02:16:47
OK, this esperanto stuff is going to be harder than I thought.



An example conversation from one of the online sites I'm currently prowling...



- Saluton!

- Saluton!



- Mi estas Ana. Kiu vi estas?

- Mi estas Ivo.



- Kiel vi fartas?

- Mi fartas bone. Kiel vi fartas?

- Mi fartas tre bone.







Comment by livingonli on 11/20/2007 02:23:30
And I thought Esperanto was supposed to be high brow. :fart:

Comment by Mondobubba on 11/20/2007 02:29:24
Quote by TriSec: OK, this esperanto stuff is going to be harder than I thought.



An example conversation from one of the online sites I'm currently prowling...



- Saluton!

- Saluton!



- Mi estas Ana. Kiu vi estas?

- Mi estas Ivo.



- Kiel vi fartas?

- Mi fartas bone. Kiel vi fartas?

- Mi fartas tre bone.











Hmmm fart jokes in Esparanto? Classy???

Comment by livingonli on 11/20/2007 02:33:55
Islanders beat the Rangers 2-1.

Comment by Mondobubba on 11/20/2007 03:50:02
{Fred_Gump}







Night all :yawn"

Comment by livingonli on 11/20/2007 04:01:41
Good night Mondo, Tri, Raine and whoever else may be floating about.

Comment by Raine on 11/20/2007 04:57:14
Raine sincerley apologizes for being MIA on les 4fB tonite. Had a phone call... and stuff... I feel like such a slakah!





I promise I will do better on tuesday!