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Author: TriSec    Date: 09/15/2009 10:41:52

Good Morning.

Today is our 2,194th day in Iraq.

We'll start this morning as we always do, with the latest casualty figures from Iraq and Afghanistan, courtesy of antiwar.com:

American Deaths
Since war began (3/19/03): 4344
Since "Mission Accomplished" (5/1/03): 4205
Since Capture of Saddam (12/13/03): 3881
Since Handover (6/29/04): 3485
Since Obama Inauguration (1/20/09): 116

Other Coalition Troops - Iraq: 325
US Military Deaths - Afghanistan: 829
Other Military Deaths - Afghanistan: 556
Contractor Employee Deaths - Iraq: 1,395
Journalists - Iraq: 331
Academics Killed - Iraq: 423


We find this morning's cost of war passing through:

$ 909, 603, 100, 000. 00


And the irony is not lost on me today that it's 9 billion...isn't that just about what healthcare reform would cost?



Turning our attention to Afghanistan today, we can perhaps take a small measure of pride in the fact that here George Bush did what he said he was going to; democracy has come to this little corner of the world. After all, they just had an election, right?

A funny thing happened along the way. Democracy is meaningless to the ordinary Afghan in the street. Didn't someone state that we needed to win the hearts and minds of ordinary citizens in order to win the war? If they're asking What has democracy done for me? then we've probably already lost.


Mubaruz Khan didn't bother to vote when Afghans went to the polls in the country's second-ever democratic election last month. He was too busy eking out a living selling cigarettes and soda for $3 a day, and didn't think voting would make a difference in his life.

Millions like Khan stayed home on Aug. 20, a sharp contrast to 2004, when Afghans jammed polling stations to give President Hamid Karzai his first term. Ominous warnings from the Taliban suppressed turnout, but some Afghans said they were also discouraged by the government's failure to halt endemic corruption, spiraling unemployment and crumbling security.

"We want peace. We want security. We want job opportunities," the 55-year-old Khan said Monday. "Otherwise, the democracy and the elections that they are all shouting about every day mean nothing to us."

Nearly a month after Afghanistan voted, the election's messy aftermath has exposed the difficulties of installing a Western-style democracy in a land that has never seen one — and raised questions over whether an electoral system can take root eight years after the U.S.-led invasion that ended Taliban's radical Islamist rule.

The country's election commission originally hoped to declare a certified winner this week, but claims of ballot-stuffing and phantom voters have pushed that timeline back weeks, if not months, leaving the country in political limbo at a time the Taliban is unleashing a record number of attacks. Thousands of fake ballots were submitted across the country, and many returns showed Karzai winning 100 percent of the vote in some districts.

The latest partial count has Karzai leading with 54 percent to leading challenger Abdullah Abdullah's 28 percent, and a full count was expected later this week. If enough votes are eliminated for fraud complaints, Karzai's tally could fall below the 50-percent threshold, forcing a two-man runoff.

In a country dominated by tribal and ethnic loyalties — and scarred by years of civil war and Taliban rule — it's not yet clear if democracy will take hold.




Of course, part of the problem is the election itself. The Presidential vote in Afghanistan was on August 20, but did you know they haven't declared a winner yet? You won't be finding much about it in the US media, but here is one story, apparently via a Seattle newspaper.


KABUL -- The leading challenger in Afghanistan's national elections warned Monday that if President Hamid Karzai wins another term based on a fraudulent vote, the U.S.-led war against al-Qaida and the Taliban in Afghanistan will fail.

"We will have a vacuum of power, security and stability," Abdullah Abdullah told McClatchy Newspapers. "Five years of illegitimate rule cannot be sustained by more troops or more resources."

Abdullah was the runner-up in the Aug. 20 presidential election that Karzai won, according to disputed initial tallies. Evidence of widespread fraud, however, has put a cloud over the outcome, which has yet to be announced. Abdullah, an ophthalmologist-turned-politician, is hoping that that fraud investigations will strip enough votes from Karzai to force a runoff either this autumn or after the snow clears in the spring.

Abdullah said Western publics are unlikely to tolerate a political outcome based on fraud. He said the Western nations already are paying "to maintain this corrupt government" and have to justify their presence before their own people. "It's not like Western governments can cheat their own populations forever," he said.

A Karzai spokesman on Monday said that Abdullah's comments reflect a candidate who fears defeat and who is now trying to undermine the Afghan electoral system.

Once an international emissary for the United Front, an anti-Taliban alliance, Abdullah received strong support in northern Afghanistan provinces that from 1996 to 2001 served as a stronghold for the Front, also known as the Northern Alliance.

Some of the main supply routes for U.S. and NATO troops in Afghanistan run through Northern Alliance strongholds, and so does some of the country's electrical grid. Many Western officials are concerned that Abdullah supporters might block some of the routes or take control of the infrastructure if Karzai declares himself the winner of the elections.

The issue has also drawn the attention of top tier officials in the State Department as President Barack Obama deliberates future U.S. troop levels for Afghanistan. On Monday, a U.S. Embassy spokeswoman denied a McClatchy weekend report that Secretary of State Hillary Clinton called Karzai last week to urge that the fraud standards not be relaxed.

Abdullah said that on a visit to Charikar in Padrwan Province north of Kabul Sunday, he met frustrated supporters who wanted to demonstrate their discontent. He said he urged them to be calm but added that he couldn't predict what will happen.

"I will do my utmost to avoid violence. I know how difficult it is to reverse things once they go in that direction," Abdullah said. "But I can't guarantee anything and everything that will happen in this country. Nobody can."


I really and truly hesitate to raise the specter of the "America First" committee (pre-WWII), given what their slogan was used for in the last election....but one of the principal stances of that pre-war group was to "Leave Europe to the Europeans".

Perhaps it's time for us to leave Afghanistan to the Afghans and let them decide who should rule.


 

27 comments (Latest Comment: 09/16/2009 05:44:57 by livingonli)
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Comment by Will in Chicago on 09/15/2009 13:14:31
FIRST!!!



Good morning, bloggers!!!



TriSec, thank you for a great and interesting post. Any government can only exist with the faith or at least acquiescence of the public. So, I think that we need to see some outcome in the Afghan election that both sides can accept.



I am not sure what can be done to improve the situation in Afghanistan. Years of neglect will not be easy to overcome.

Comment by BobR on 09/15/2009 13:31:51
Thanks TriSec - I'm not sure which is worse: The Bush Administration beating its chest over the wars in the Middle East, or the Obama Administration never even talking about it (nor our media).



Oh wait - the Bush Administration never talked about the war in Afghanistan, just the one in Iraq...

Comment by wickedpam on 09/15/2009 13:54:56
Morning



Off work today, running errands and stuff - sadly no time to blog or listen to Steph :(

Comment by Scoopster on 09/15/2009 13:57:16
Morning all!

Comment by m-hadley on 09/15/2009 14:22:02
Mornin' Everybodee

Another drive-by posting, gotta work today

Cheers,

mfaye

Comment by livingonli on 09/15/2009 14:49:18
Good morning everyone.



Just a quick hit and run since I have to be at my endocrinologist at 11:40 and then I have to be at work early today since I have both a UEFA Tournament game this afternoon and then a Rangers pre-season game tonight. At least I am off Wednesday and Thursday to get stuff done.

Comment by Raine on 09/15/2009 14:57:33
Stay Klassy Dubya-- stay Klassy.



Good morning everyone!

Comment by Scoopster on 09/15/2009 15:20:37
Comment by BobR on 09/15/2009 15:22:14
Quote by Raine:

Stay Klassy Dubya-- stay Klassy.



Good morning everyone!


His insults are a lot "nicer" than some of the stuff we see in Congress and amongst the teabaggers

Comment by Mondobubba on 09/15/2009 15:49:02




It's just not South Carolina, Scoop. There is a special election here today, a primary to see who's gonna fill the late Jim King's seat. One of the dude's running, John Thrasher (Wingnut, well they are all wingnuts) had his wife in the most recent response ad. She...can read...a teleprompter like...nobody's business. She is standing by her man against "liberal trial lawyers" who have been smearing her hubby.



One of the 527 ads goes something like this; liberal trial lawyers, Barak Obama, Nancy Pelosi and the ACLU are going to eat your unborn babies! You better vote for John Thrasher or your kids are going to be Red Guards!

Comment by BobR on 09/15/2009 15:57:33
For TriSec: A few photos here you might appreciate...

Comment by BobR on 09/15/2009 15:58:39
Quote by Mondobubba:

One of the 527 ads goes something like this; liberal trial lawyers, Barak Obama, Nancy Pelosi and the ACLU are going to eat your unborn babies! You better vote for John Thrasher or your kids are going to be Red Guards!


at least they'd have a job...

Comment by Mondobubba on 09/15/2009 16:18:11
Quote by BobR:

Quote by Mondobubba:

One of the 527 ads goes something like this; liberal trial lawyers, Barak Obama, Nancy Pelosi and the ACLU are going to eat your unborn babies! You better vote for John Thrasher or your kids are going to be Red Guards!


at least they'd have a job...




The other theme besides "liberal trial lawyers are evil' in the special (I mean that in Olympics sorta way) election is, "I more conservative than he his! No, I am! Me, I'm the real conservative." It's like a bunch of 8-year olds whose ritalin has worn off arguing.

Comment by Raine on 09/15/2009 16:24:38
*sigh*



I am so tired of the lunatics.

Comment by Mondobubba on 09/15/2009 16:26:16
My lunatics? or lunatics in general?

Comment by Scoopster on 09/15/2009 17:00:14
Looks like Canada's heading for ANOTHER general election.. from what I hear people are getting pissed at the Liberal Party up there for forcing no confidence votes and disjointed from an election every six months.

Comment by livingonli on 09/15/2009 17:43:40
Quote by Scoopster:

Looks like Canada's heading for ANOTHER general election.. from what I hear people are getting pissed at the Liberal Party up there for forcing no confidence votes and disjointed from an election every six months.


Liberals have gotten as bad as the Tories up there. I wish Canada would think of giving the NDP a chance.

Comment by Scoopster on 09/15/2009 19:06:37
http://d3gkbha1s7sr56.cloudfront.net/someecards/filestorage/mov_83.jpg




Ahahaha that's great!

Comment by Mondobubba on 09/15/2009 20:54:20
Quote by Scoopster:

http://d3gkbha1s7sr56.cloudfront.net/someecards/filestorage/mov_83.jpg




Ahahaha that's great!




Damit, they forgot "Next of Kin!" They always forget it. :kick:

Comment by AuntAzalea on 09/15/2009 20:55:12


Comment by Raine on 09/15/2009 20:57:23
Quote by AuntAzalea:





me too :



Comment by Mondobubba on 09/15/2009 21:29:18




Raw Story has got this one wrong, Scoop. How does Mondo know this you are wondering. When I was a young Mondo, I had the good fortune to work for the then relevant Ralph Nader. One of the projects I helped on was gathering pertinent information on how 501©3 organizations can express themselves politically. We came to the conclusion much like ALL that as long as there wasn't direct lobbying involved that Ralph under the umbrella of The Center for Study of Responsive Law (aka the "Raiders") could engage Richard Vigarie in debate about the 1984 election. ALL is working (misguidedly I would say because of the Hyde Amendment) against HRC because they think it will bring hot and cold abortion on demand. They can print up as many signs etc as they want to as and educational organization. They can give the signs out to as many stubby fingered, splay toed morons that they want. As long as they do not hire a lobbyist with money full-time or have officers of the group engage in lobbying full time they still maintain their tax-exempt status. Pretty much the same conclusion Ralph and I came to 25 years ago.

Comment by clintster on 09/15/2009 21:55:15
Gather 'round, kiddies, it's time for "Scary Subway Stories" with teabagger Dan Riehl. IN today's episode, he details a close call he had in Washington this weekend:



In the back were maybe ten or so black kids taking up that section of the car. There was no confrontation, just one or two of them talking loudly enough to make sure they'd be heard.



Without resorting to the poor diction it was along the lines of, these are the people who think Obama is the anti-Christ. That McCain he wasn't chit. Obama's going to be president as long as he wants, so these people better get used to it, etc. It went on but not really to a level that was so loud, or so confrontational that it needed to be addressed.



We just ignored them without much trouble at all.



Yeah, they were technically thugs. But the reality was they were still wannabes really, pretty young, not that big, or many. And if the several adults there for 9/12 actually needed to do something about it, the kids wouldn't have lasted very long. Maybe if they were bigger, or more numerous, it might have been worse. Or it may not have happened at all. Who knows?




Yeah, a bunch of doughy teabaggers getting up in the faces of a bunch of kids for taunting them. That would have gone over well.





Comment by Scoopster on 09/15/2009 22:33:23
Quote by Mondobubba:

Quote by Scoopster:

http://d3gkbha1s7sr56.cloudfront.net/someecards/filestorage/mov_83.jpg




Ahahaha that's great!




Damit, they forgot "Next of Kin!" They always forget it. :kick:


I haven't seen that particular flick but after hearing a summary of it this morning on the local radio mosheen it sounds like a very cool movie!

Comment by Mondobubba on 09/15/2009 23:09:18
Quote by Scoopster:

Quote by Mondobubba:

Quote by Scoopster:

http://d3gkbha1s7sr56.cloudfront.net/someecards/filestorage/mov_83.jpg




Ahahaha that's great!




Damit, they forgot "Next of Kin!" They always forget it. :kick:


I haven't seen that particular flick but after hearing a summary of it this morning on the local radio mosheen it sounds like a very cool movie!




Awful, terrible movie. But Swayze's mullet, magnificent!

Comment by livingonli on 09/16/2009 05:44:57
What a day.