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The Forgotten War
Author: BobR    Date: 12/12/2007 13:08:57

With all the talk and focus on the "war" in Iraq, you almost never hear stories or discussion about the military actions happening in Afghanistan. It reminds me of the Katrina aftermath - all the discussion was about New Orleans and Biloxi got short shrift despite the heavy destruction they endured.

Sure there have been "only" 734 miitary deaths so far, compared to the 3000+ in Iraq. But this war is now in it's 6th year. What have we gotten for all of the time and money and blood, toil, tears, and sweat invested there?

Apparently, not enough. Sec. Def. Robert Gates is asking for more troops:
US Defense Secretary Robert Gates Tuesday called on NATO allies to fill shortfalls of troops, equipment and resources in Afghanistan, warning of rising violence and the emergence of a classic insurgency...
Gates and Admiral Michael Mullen, the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, said violence has increased, particularly in southern Afghanistan, since a NATO-led force assumed responsibility for security throughout the country in October 2006. Mullen said levels of violence nationwide were up 27 percent over last year, and that in the southern Helmand province the increase was 60 percent. The admiral described the developments as "a classic insurgency" that required "a well coordinated counter-insurgency strategy."
[Like the counter-insurgency strategy that's working so well in Iraq? ]

"And while I applaud NATO for stepping up to the plate, the ISAF is plagued by shortfalls in capability and capacity, and constrained by a host of caveats that limits its ability," he said. Mullen was referring to the 40,000-strong, NATO-led International Security Assistance Force...

Perhaps the problems in Afghanistan are related to the "mistakes" made by the military, and their seemingly cavalier view of the Afghan people as less than human:
The Afghan town of Charikar, 60 kms north of Kabul, has been the recipient of many US bombs and missiles. On Saturday, November 17th, US bombs killed two entire families -- one of 16 members and the other of 14 -- perished, together in the same house.

On the same day, bomb strikes in Khanabad near Kunduz, killed 100 people. A refugee, Mohammed Rasul, recounts himself burying 11 people, pulled out of ruins there.

Multiply these scenes by a couple hundred and the reality on-the-ground in the Afghan October and November is approximated. This same reality is blithely dismissed by the Pentagon and the compliant U.S. corporate media with "the claims could not be independently verified," whereas the military press calls reports of high civilian casualties as being "inflated by air." Another comments on the "humanity of the air war." Yet another, wails about too much press coverage of civilian casualties by a media unable to understand that some civilian casualties must occur but that "what IS newsworthy is that so many bombs hit their targets".

Britain at least is taking a more reasonable tact. They are actually talking to the Afghans:
As the deadliest year in Afghanistan since the US-led invasion in 2001 comes to a close, Gordon Brown is ready to talk to the Taliban in a major shift in strategy that is likely to cause consternation among hardliners in the White House.

Six years after British troops were first deployed to oust the Taliban regime, the Prime Minister believes the time has come to open a dialogue in the hope of moving from military action to consensus-building among the tribal leaders.

Wow - discussion instead of war. What a concept! In fact, they are going so far as to pay farmers NOT to grow opium.

Here's hoping that the British can succeed where the U.S-led NATO effort has failed, and this long war dragging on forgotten by the news outlets can finally come to an end.

363 comments (Latest Comment: 12/13/2007 12:16:04 by TriSec)
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Comment by velveeta jones on 12/12/2007 13:37:56




How long do I watch?

Comment by BobR on 12/12/2007 13:56:16
Quote by velveeta jones:



How long do I watch?


Not too long. :punch:

Comment by velveeta jones on 12/12/2007 14:01:56
Yay!! Its a blog!! Eh, but now I gotta go ................*sigh*



But I leave you with this: Huckabee HATES women almost as much as gays! (Asshat)

Comment by TriSec on 12/12/2007 14:11:23
Frost in LA, huh?



I have my snow scraper in the car year-round, but that's a Massachusetts thing.



Anyway, given the girly nature of such Southern California "frosts"...the alternate technique of using a credit card would work perfectly well.



Also, try a paint scraper in a pinch, I'm sure you could find those in LA.



Sheesh.





Comment by Raine on 12/12/2007 14:11:55
Good morning! What did the huckster say or/and do now? I have been coming to the opinion regarding this view of woman since I have been watching how he is dealing with the released Rapists problem... He cares more about Dumond than the victims... that is for sure.

Comment by Raine on 12/12/2007 14:13:00
LOL! I can't believe Jim was late becuase of FROST!... wow ... the worst excuse, EVER.

Comment by TriSec on 12/12/2007 14:16:45
Well gee, if the president should have the authority to order things that are illegal, that would make him a dictator, wouldn't it?





Comment by Raine on 12/12/2007 14:18:36
How much Ice could have been on that winshield?

Comment by TriSec on 12/12/2007 14:21:45
Oh, you could also spray some wiper fluid on in a pinch; it's alcohol-based and has a lower freezing point and will instantly dissolve Southern California "frost".





Comment by starling310 on 12/12/2007 14:22:14
Ice on the windshield in LA? Weird. . . it's downright balmy in CT!



Morning. :coffee:

Comment by TriSec on 12/12/2007 14:26:25
Ok, that's twice a listener has 'scooped' something I posted here. Quit lurking and register, ya mooks!



:modbat:



Comment by Raine on 12/12/2007 14:32:53




Free For a limitied Time only!

Comment by Raine on 12/12/2007 14:35:58
if you deported all the undocumented people from NYC, there would be no more NYC, I think.

Comment by livingonli on 12/12/2007 14:37:37
Good morning all.



I remember being down in Florida one February and the local stations issued wind alerts when the temperature went below 50 degrees. Brrrr, we'll blow away. What a bunch of wimps.

Comment by Raine on 12/12/2007 14:38:58
I knew this information in the eighties. Fuckabee is a total bigot.

Comment by starling310 on 12/12/2007 14:39:36
We are supposed to get 2-4 inches of snow tomorrow afternoon and things are already being cancelled. It's NEW ENGLAND PEOPLE!!!! suck it up!



Comment by livingonli on 12/12/2007 14:40:03
Since they canned Kent Jones, is it a sign that Air America Radio is becoming a sinking ship? I now really hope Rachel gets the MSNBC gig (she denied the rumors).

Comment by Raine on 12/12/2007 14:40:28
Oooh.. 1998, the southern baptist convention... The caller must be talking about what VJ mentioned this morning.

Comment by Raine on 12/12/2007 14:41:18
Quote by livingonli: Since they canned Kent Jones, is it a sign that Air America Radio is becoming a sinking ship? I now really hope Rachel gets the MSNBC gig (she denied the rumors).


HE isn't on Rach anymore???



When did this happen?

Comment by Raine on 12/12/2007 14:43:00
:rofl: Jim was smited with Frost!

Comment by TriSec on 12/12/2007 14:43:16
SINNER!



Raine and Bob are demeaning each other!!





Comment by livingonli on 12/12/2007 14:43:30
Quote by Raine:
Quote by livingonli: Since they canned Kent Jones, is it a sign that Air America Radio is becoming a sinking ship? I now really hope Rachel gets the MSNBC gig (she denied the rumors).


HE isn't on Rach anymore???



When did this happen?


Kent announced on yesterday's show that he was being let go and his last show would be Friday.

Comment by starling310 on 12/12/2007 14:44:03
: today's bumper sticker :

"Support The Democratic Party. Vote for Huckabee."

Comment by starling310 on 12/12/2007 14:44:23
Dressed in similar outfits? Like BOYZ 2 MEN?



Comment by starling310 on 12/12/2007 14:45:22
Quote by TriSec: SINNER!



Raine and Bob are demeaning each other!!







Shame Raine! Shame Bobber! Shame! Shame!

Comment by Raine on 12/12/2007 14:45:23
http://cache.gawker.com/assets/images/3/2007/12/huckxmas.jpg
Husky boys Big and tall to men actually!

Comment by livingonli on 12/12/2007 14:46:28
Quote by starling310: We are supposed to get 2-4 inches of snow tomorrow afternoon and things are already being cancelled. It's NEW ENGLAND PEOPLE!!!! suck it up!



After a few mild winters up here in the Northeast, people seem to be wussing out more. Things that normally would not cause delays or closures are now doing so. I remember when my school would only close if there was about a foot of snow on the ground at least.

Comment by Raine on 12/12/2007 14:46:53
Quote by starling310:
Quote by TriSec: SINNER!



Raine and Bob are demeaning each other!!







Shame Raine! Shame Bobber! Shame! Shame!
And we demean often and much. Wow I feel so repressed....





Comment by livingonli on 12/12/2007 14:47:51
Quote by Raine:
http://cache.gawker.com/assets/images/3/2007/12/huckxmas.jpg


Donde Los Yikes? Looks like the kind of family in horror movies that kidnaps and tortures people in their basements.

Comment by starling310 on 12/12/2007 14:49:20
Quote by Raine:
http://cache.gawker.com/assets/images/3/2007/12/huckxmas.jpg
Husky boys Big and tall to men actually!








Awesome.



Comment by starling310 on 12/12/2007 14:50:49
Quote by livingonli:
Quote by starling310: We are supposed to get 2-4 inches of snow tomorrow afternoon and things are already being cancelled. It's NEW ENGLAND PEOPLE!!!! suck it up!



After a few mild winters up here in the Northeast, people seem to be wussing out more. Things that normally would not cause delays or closures are now doing so. I remember when my school would only close if there was about a foot of snow on the ground at least.




Yeah, and you certainly wouldn't know the night before.

Now, if there is just snow in the forecast they cancel.

Oy Vay!

We are a society of wimps. . . electric garage door openers, cardboard sleeves on our coffee cups. . .

Comment by starling310 on 12/12/2007 14:53:49
Here Mukasey....just put your head back....we'll give it try and then you can tell me if you felt tortured.





Comment by Raine on 12/12/2007 14:56:46
oh dear... Was that Chip from the message board?

Comment by starling310 on 12/12/2007 14:57:54
Oh. So the ends justify the means. Oh Okay.



Comment by Raine on 12/12/2007 14:58:32
for Chip... a special audicon just for you... :P

Comment by starling310 on 12/12/2007 14:58:35
A crime of passion is still a crime!



Comment by Raine on 12/12/2007 14:59:44
Quote by starling310: Oh. So the ends justify the means. Oh Okay.



It slays me when that defense is used. It makes us just as bad as our enemy then... the logic of people who defend torture truly astounds me.

Comment by livingonli on 12/12/2007 14:59:57
Quote by starling310: Oh. So the ends justify the means. Oh Okay.



An eye for an eye leaves the whole world blind-Gandhi

Comment by livingonli on 12/12/2007 15:02:04
Quote by Raine:
Quote by starling310: Oh. So the ends justify the means. Oh Okay.



It slays me when that defense is used. It makes us just as bad as our enemy then... the logic of people who defend torture truly astounds me.


Not much different from the "Good Germans" who just sat back while Hitler committed all his atrocities. I think some of these Republicans are of the same mentality as the people who supported Hitler.

Comment by starling310 on 12/12/2007 15:03:06
How do you go without power for a week? Wouldn't your pipes freeze? Oof...what a major pain in the a**!

Comment by wickedpam on 12/12/2007 15:03:13
Quote by livingonli:
Quote by starling310: We are supposed to get 2-4 inches of snow tomorrow afternoon and things are already being cancelled. It's NEW ENGLAND PEOPLE!!!! suck it up!



After a few mild winters up here in the Northeast, people seem to be wussing out more. Things that normally would not cause delays or closures are now doing so. I remember when my school would only close if there was about a foot of snow on the ground at least.




Mild winter?!



For the past 5 years I've had to dig out from more snow then ever before and have frozen my ass off. I live in frickin Virginia! We're in the south, below the Mason/Dixon. We're supposed to have mild winters! Stupid Climate Change!





Morning BTW! :hug:

Comment by Raine on 12/12/2007 15:05:07
Quote by livingonli:
Quote by starling310: Oh. So the ends justify the means. Oh Okay.



An eye for an eye leaves the whole world blind-Gandhi


Bush would have had Ghandi Waterboarded.

Comment by Raine on 12/12/2007 15:06:42
I have gone without electric for a while, myself. If you keep the water at a slow drip, you can usually prevent pipes from freezing and breaking.

Comment by starling310 on 12/12/2007 15:08:04
Naomi Klein!!! SWEET!



Best book I've read in a long, LONG time.



Comment by starling310 on 12/12/2007 15:09:57
Quote by Raine: I have gone without electric for a while, myself. If you keep the water at a slow drip, you can usually prevent pipes from freezing and breaking.




OH! Really? I'll have to remember that.

But how does the water stay warm if the Water heater is electric?



Or, does it not need to be warm water?



Comment by livingonli on 12/12/2007 15:10:05
Mgm with the Dick Morris jokes. :rofl:



He's also ripping on Chip's call over at the other blog.

Comment by wickedpam on 12/12/2007 15:10:18
Gen X started in 67 I thought



Comment by Raine on 12/12/2007 15:10:23
So wait... what does that me? a gen X'r??? I so do not feel like a genexer.

Comment by starling310 on 12/12/2007 15:10:40
Jim's only 7 years older than my parents.



Comment by wickedpam on 12/12/2007 15:11:58
I always thought we were the first Gen X'ers or part of one of those Sandwich Generations.