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Yet Another Debate
Author: BobR    Date: 01/20/2012 13:37:00

Okay - I'll confess right up front: I only watched about 10 minutes of the Republican "debate" last night in South Carolina. I wanted to be able to write about my first-hand reactions, but I couldn't do it. The kicker was when John King - after asking Newt and Paul about 3 things they'd do to help the economy - asked Romney to rebutt a comment just made by Gingrich. That is what a debate is - a controlled discussion where participants provide their various viewpoints and counterpoints on one more subjects:

  1. a discussion, as of a public question in an assembly, involving opposing viewpoints: a debate in the Senate on farm price supports.
  2. a formal contest in which the affirmative and negative sides of a proposition are advocated by opposing speakers.

Romney's response? (paraphrasing here): "I'll do that in a minute, but first I want to answer the question you asked them, and then I'd also like to discuss this...."

Of course - King let him run with it. That is not a debate. It is an interview/press conference. There is no control. I've seen in previous debates where candidates would start arguing with each other and the crowd cheering like it's a WWE show. The audiences, too, are disgusting, cheering the most horrendous chest-beating bumper-sticker sound bites with bloodthirsty verve. Again, the WWE metaphor seems particularly apt.

But - I suppose I should post some of the more discussion-worthy points of the debate...
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93 comments (Latest Comment: 01/21/2012 03:34:23 by BobR)

\\KABLOOM//
Author: Raine    Date: 01/19/2012 13:53:29

My compute rjust crashed -- hard. Upon reboot, I lost everything for the blog. The story is not irrelevant since everyone knows.


I will come up with something better in a few.
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78 comments (Latest Comment: 01/19/2012 23:10:41 by Raine)

Fade to Black
Author: BobR    Date: 01/18/2012 14:03:13

For those that haven't heard, today is blackout day. To protest two bills in Congress (mainly SOPA, but also PIPA), several large websites are "going dark" today. They include Google and Wikipedia, among others. Here at 4F, we decided it was more important to get the message out as much as possible. We know how small we are; "going black" for us would not have made any impact. People who don't follow politics, however, DO use Google and the Wiki, and will notice the message.
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79 comments (Latest Comment: 01/19/2012 13:35:12 by wickedpam)

Ask a Vet
Author: TriSec    Date: 01/17/2012 11:32:19

Good Morning.

Today is our 3,754th day in Afghanistan.

We'll start this morning as we always do; with the latest casualty figures from our ongoing war, courtesy of Antiwar.com:

US Military Deaths - Afghanistan: 1,873
Other Military Deaths - Afghanistan: 986

We find this morning's Cost of War passing through:

$ 1, 292, 938, 600, 000. 00

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29 comments (Latest Comment: 01/17/2012 21:11:37 by Mondobubba)

Dr. King and the Power of If
Author: Raine    Date: 01/16/2012 14:15:02

“Yes, if you want to say that I was a drum major, say that I was a drum major for justice. Say that I was a drum major for peace. I was a drum major for righteousness. And all of the other shallow things will not matter.”
The Drum Major Instinct" Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr -

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58 comments (Latest Comment: 01/17/2012 01:12:20 by Mondobubba)

Yee Haw.
Author: velveeta jones    Date: 01/15/2012 15:43:38

Ahhh, the South. Magnolia tree's, sweet tea, long chats on the front porch swing, grits, friendly waves as you walk down the road, garden clubs and peaches. Just a few things that come to mind when you mention the delightful Southern states.

Living here during primary season, however, is not all "how do" and roses, thank you please. Nope. This is when we turn ugly. Or at least the candidates do. I don't know ya'll are getting up above the Mason-Dixon line, but here's a sample of the kind of putrid crap we are getting.
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21 comments (Latest Comment: 01/16/2012 02:55:11 by clintster)

10,000 miles away
Author: TriSec    Date: 01/14/2012 12:56:07

Good Morning!

Fairly early on a Saturday, but there's no blood involved today. I'll soon be off to Horn Pond to lead a birdwatching hike for a certain Mr. Bean.

But before I do, I want to take us far on the other side of the world. Over the last few weeks, as we've been focused on the beginnings of our election cycle, something remarkable has happened in one of the most isolated and closed societies on Earth.
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9 comments (Latest Comment: 01/14/2012 17:51:01 by Raine)

Ron Paul: Anti-War candidate? Constitutionalist?
Author: Raine    Date: 01/13/2012 00:00:20

Ron Paul is a candidate that inspires fervent adulation from his dedicated followers. The two most common narratives they repeat is that he is anti-war, and that he is a strict constitutionalist. I propose he is neither. His words & his legislative record prove quite contrary to what his supporters say he represents.

We can begin with the invasion of Afghanistan. One would expect a person who is anti-war to vote against legislation that authorizes a non-war military action against another country. However, Ron Paul voted FOR the invasion of Afghanistan. You can read it all right here. Let me restate this fact: Ron Paul voted in favor of the invasion of Afghanistan. I don't care what his staffers say in hindsight. He voted to invade. That is on his congressional record. He voted to invade Afghanistan. Would you like more proof? This is the Ron Paul vote on the very first Authorization for Use of Military Force (AUMF). It's dated September 14, 2001. Let me make this clear: AMUF is this:
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Number 9
Author: Raine    Date: 01/12/2012 14:04:50

The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.
This is the Text of the Ninth amendment in the Bill of Rights.
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33 comments (Latest Comment: 01/13/2012 03:40:39 by Raine)

Taking the Vote for Granite
Author: BobR    Date: 01/11/2012 13:52:50

Anyone with a pulse knows that New Hampshire had their Republican and Democratic primaries yesterday (yes, there was a Democratic primary, despite the news coverage amounting to zilch). As expected, Mitt Romney won the Republican primary, with Ron Paul coming in second and John Huntsman taking third. The only mild surprise there is John Huntsman, who is hoping to leverage this into more face time on the news. Will he be the next candidate experiencing a media bump (and comensurate rise in the polls)? Not likely - considering SC is next.
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52 comments (Latest Comment: 01/12/2012 01:11:14 by BobR)

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