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The Cycle Repeats
Author: BobR
Date: 12/14/2012 14:06:05
Ever since Secretary of State Hillary Clinton announced her intention to step down at the end of the president's first term, there has been a major bru-ha-hah over her potential replacement. UN Ambassador Susan Rice was the presumptive nominee. Senator John Kerry's (D-MA) name was also mentioned. As soon as Kerry's name was added to the list, it became pretty clear that HE was the one the Republicans wanted, so that they would have a shot at his senate seat. As such, Ms. Rice became a target of relentless nit-picking and fake outrage.
The badgering worked. Susan Rice withdrew her name from consideration yesterday via a letter written to the White House. She wanted the job and President Obama wanted to give it to her, but she felt the negatives of the confirmation process from the Senate would be too disruptive to the president. He could ignore this and nominate her anyway, but it's unlikely he would do so.
Once again, the Republicans have taken a fairly non-political and routine process, and politicized it. Rice was criticized for passing along the information she was given by the CIA. The CIA was withholding info for security reasons. Somehow, then, it's her fault for "lying" to the American people. This is a prime example of how Republicans use fake outrage to get what they want.
It's sad that a supremely qualified candidate that wants the position has to pull herself out of the running. What's equally sad is that people on the left will blame President Obama for this. I heard Dan Rather do exactly that on the Rachel Maddow Show last night. That meme is starting to creep into the media already:
Others are being more direct:
Once again, the blame for the actions of the Republicans is falling on President Obama's shoulders.
Watch for it.
The badgering worked. Susan Rice withdrew her name from consideration yesterday via a letter written to the White House. She wanted the job and President Obama wanted to give it to her, but she felt the negatives of the confirmation process from the Senate would be too disruptive to the president. He could ignore this and nominate her anyway, but it's unlikely he would do so.
Once again, the Republicans have taken a fairly non-political and routine process, and politicized it. Rice was criticized for passing along the information she was given by the CIA. The CIA was withholding info for security reasons. Somehow, then, it's her fault for "lying" to the American people. This is a prime example of how Republicans use fake outrage to get what they want.
It's sad that a supremely qualified candidate that wants the position has to pull herself out of the running. What's equally sad is that people on the left will blame President Obama for this. I heard Dan Rather do exactly that on the Rachel Maddow Show last night. That meme is starting to creep into the media already:
For all the high-minded niceties offered publicly, a genuine frustration could be felt below the surface. Not just from Rice's defenders, who had spent weeks yearning for the White House to push back more forcefully against her critics, or from Democrats, who wanted Obama to go forward with the nomination and make an example out of those pledging to block her appointment.
Others are being more direct:
Close watchers of Washington's national security politics waited to see what Obama would do. A relatively minor Capitol figure had taken a hard shot at the president: Would the White House come back at him, or would it accommodate and backpedal? Obama's silence was, in the longstanding view of some inside and outside the administration, the first in a series of retreats that would mark the first-term national security policy, which left Guantanamo Bay open and terror suspects outside the federal court system.
"Susan Rice is essentially a repeat of Gitmo in 2009," a former Obama administration official emailed moments after Susan Rice withdrew her name for secretary of state Thursday afternoon. "You have to give up on her because the politics are so bad that the White House thinks it can't win. But the politics are so bad because they spent too long not fighting for it and instead just watching things get worse. Self-fulfilling."
Once again, the blame for the actions of the Republicans is falling on President Obama's shoulders.
Watch for it.
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Comment by 
TriSec on 12/14/2012 14:13:21
TriSec on 12/14/2012 14:13:21
Morning, comrades.
Kerry would be an awesome SecState, IMHO. I also think Mike Capuano would be running for the Senate Seat if it came to that. (Although Martha Coakley is on the short list again.) Bill Weld's name is also percolating up the GOP list for a try.
(disclaimer: "Big Red" is one of two Republicans in my life I have actually voted FOR, so I'd have to give him a hard lookover if he does it.)
I actually thought the President and Ms. Rice have taken the high road here - both of their statements contain a lot of thinly-veiled digs on the GOP, but the vast unwashed masses won't pick up on that nuance.
Kerry would be an awesome SecState, IMHO. I also think Mike Capuano would be running for the Senate Seat if it came to that. (Although Martha Coakley is on the short list again.) Bill Weld's name is also percolating up the GOP list for a try.
(disclaimer: "Big Red" is one of two Republicans in my life I have actually voted FOR, so I'd have to give him a hard lookover if he does it.)
I actually thought the President and Ms. Rice have taken the high road here - both of their statements contain a lot of thinly-veiled digs on the GOP, but the vast unwashed masses won't pick up on that nuance.
Comment by 
wickedpam on 12/14/2012 14:17:32
wickedpam on 12/14/2012 14:17:32
Morning 
Comment by wickedpam on 12/14/2012 14:21:03
wickedpam on 12/14/2012 14:21:03
YOu know there's part of me that wonders if Randi's not correct and Kerry pulled a Kerrigan on Rice.
Comment by 
Raine on 12/14/2012 14:23:34
Raine on 12/14/2012 14:23:34
I think the way Susan Rice handled this situation is precisely why she would have made an excellent SoS.
That said, I heard Rather last night as well, and felt it really disrespectful of he and others to put this on the head of the President. Susan Rice is a woman smart enough to make her own decisions. Her decision to withdraw from contention was hers.
It bothers me, this meme that Obama didn't do enough.
That said, I heard Rather last night as well, and felt it really disrespectful of he and others to put this on the head of the President. Susan Rice is a woman smart enough to make her own decisions. Her decision to withdraw from contention was hers.
It bothers me, this meme that Obama didn't do enough.
Comment by TriSec on 12/14/2012 14:34:27
TriSec on 12/14/2012 14:34:27
And now, curiously I feel icky this morning. They took me off the harsh stuff, but maybe that was working with the 5FU somehow to mollify all the side effects.
I ate everything that wasn't tied down last night, but now have no appetite and even skipped breakfast this am. I have sipped at some tea laced with suger so I get a few calories.
Anyway....I ditch the freakin' pump this afternoon, then off to a Pack Meeting. I'm going to try to play some Xmas tunes tonight.
I ate everything that wasn't tied down last night, but now have no appetite and even skipped breakfast this am. I have sipped at some tea laced with suger so I get a few calories.
Anyway....I ditch the freakin' pump this afternoon, then off to a Pack Meeting. I'm going to try to play some Xmas tunes tonight.
Comment by 
Scoopster on 12/14/2012 14:43:16
Scoopster on 12/14/2012 14:43:16
Mornin' all & Happy Fridee! 
Those teabagger assholes in the Michigan state house are on a SERIOUS vendetta against the citizens who voted them out a month ago.. they've passed TWO right-to-mooch laws, re-passed the fascist emergency manager law that was REPEALED by referendum last month, passed hardcore anti-choice and anti-contraception measures, and now yesterday they passed possibly the most sadistic concealed carry bill in the country.
Those teabagger assholes in the Michigan state house are on a SERIOUS vendetta against the citizens who voted them out a month ago.. they've passed TWO right-to-mooch laws, re-passed the fascist emergency manager law that was REPEALED by referendum last month, passed hardcore anti-choice and anti-contraception measures, and now yesterday they passed possibly the most sadistic concealed carry bill in the country.
Comment by Raine on 12/14/2012 14:49:20
Can we just rename Michigan ALEC Headquarters?
Seriously, get this crap:
Analysis of Flawed Right to Work Legislation Shows Governor, Republican Legislators, Had Never Reviewed Language Prior to Signing it Into Law
Raine on 12/14/2012 14:49:20
Quote by Scoopster:
Mornin' all & Happy Fridee!
Those teabagger assholes in the Michigan state house are on a SERIOUS vendetta against the citizens who voted them out a month ago.. they've passed TWO right-to-mooch laws, re-passed the fascist emergency manager law that was REPEALED by referendum last month, passed hardcore anti-choice and anti-contraception measures, and now yesterday they passed possibly the most sadistic concealed carry bill in the country.
Seriously, get this crap:
Analysis of Flawed Right to Work Legislation Shows Governor, Republican Legislators, Had Never Reviewed Language Prior to Signing it Into Law
“The public was not given an opportunity to read these bills, legislators were not given an opportunity to read these bills, and we now know that the Governor himself either didn't read or didn't understand these bills himself,†said Senator Bert Johnson (D – Detroit). “This process has been a complete affront to Democracy from the start and was nothing more than a political gift to the Koch Brothers and ALEC who bought and paid for this legislation.â€
A series of questions have been raised in recent days over the legality of the “Right to Work†legislation as well as the process in which it passed. A lawsuit has already been filed against the Michigan House of Representatives for violating the Open Meetings Act as these bills were passed while the public was illegally locked out of the State Capitol and additional legal challenges are expected in the coming days.
Comment by Scoopster on 12/14/2012 14:56:33
Oh that's not all.. Apparently the Michigan constitution clearly defines the state's civil service commission as the only body with the power to regulate terms of employment or collective bargaining with public sector civil service employees. At the very least that part of one of the right-to-mooch laws is invalid.
In any case.. repealing all this shit by referendum only needs like 280k signatures to reach the ballot. You can be sure it's all going down, and then Snyder and the remaining ALEC cronies in the state assembly are going down.
Scoopster on 12/14/2012 14:56:33
Quote by Raine:Can we just rename Michigan ALEC Headquarters?Quote by Scoopster:
Mornin' all & Happy Fridee!
Those teabagger assholes in the Michigan state house are on a SERIOUS vendetta against the citizens who voted them out a month ago.. they've passed TWO right-to-mooch laws, re-passed the fascist emergency manager law that was REPEALED by referendum last month, passed hardcore anti-choice and anti-contraception measures, and now yesterday they passed possibly the most sadistic concealed carry bill in the country.
Seriously, get this crap:
Analysis of Flawed Right to Work Legislation Shows Governor, Republican Legislators, Had Never Reviewed Language Prior to Signing it Into Law“The public was not given an opportunity to read these bills, legislators were not given an opportunity to read these bills, and we now know that the Governor himself either didn't read or didn't understand these bills himself,†said Senator Bert Johnson (D – Detroit). “This process has been a complete affront to Democracy from the start and was nothing more than a political gift to the Koch Brothers and ALEC who bought and paid for this legislation.â€
A series of questions have been raised in recent days over the legality of the “Right to Work†legislation as well as the process in which it passed. A lawsuit has already been filed against the Michigan House of Representatives for violating the Open Meetings Act as these bills were passed while the public was illegally locked out of the State Capitol and additional legal challenges are expected in the coming days.
Oh that's not all.. Apparently the Michigan constitution clearly defines the state's civil service commission as the only body with the power to regulate terms of employment or collective bargaining with public sector civil service employees. At the very least that part of one of the right-to-mooch laws is invalid.
In any case.. repealing all this shit by referendum only needs like 280k signatures to reach the ballot. You can be sure it's all going down, and then Snyder and the remaining ALEC cronies in the state assembly are going down.
Comment by Raine on 12/14/2012 15:04:01
Raine on 12/14/2012 15:04:01
ABC’s Jon Karl reports that Dem Gov Deval Patrick has already reached out to Vicki Kennedy, who has not said yes – but hasn’t said no either. ABC.
Comment by 
Will in Chicago on 12/14/2012 15:08:58
Will in Chicago on 12/14/2012 15:08:58
I am sad that everything has to be politicized these days. I had my own concerns about rice, particularly her ties to the Keystone XL pipeline. However, I think that the GOP was very disrespectful.
If Kerry becomes Secretary of State, I think that the Democrats should get the strongest possible candidate to run for office.
As for Michigan, I think that a lot of the actions of the governor and the legislature should be examined for possible court action and ballot actions. Let's say that if the GOP has been playing a long game of poker, they are now showing their cards. The suit seems to spell out a return to America, circa 1898 -- a land where elite business owners had far more influence on government than the public, most of whom were poor and many who labored under unsafe conditions.
Well, I got an errand to run, I hope to be back soon.
If Kerry becomes Secretary of State, I think that the Democrats should get the strongest possible candidate to run for office.
As for Michigan, I think that a lot of the actions of the governor and the legislature should be examined for possible court action and ballot actions. Let's say that if the GOP has been playing a long game of poker, they are now showing their cards. The suit seems to spell out a return to America, circa 1898 -- a land where elite business owners had far more influence on government than the public, most of whom were poor and many who labored under unsafe conditions.
Well, I got an errand to run, I hope to be back soon.
Comment by 
Mondobubba on 12/14/2012 15:21:09
Vindictive Kochwhores aren't they?
Mondobubba on 12/14/2012 15:21:09
Quote by Scoopster:
Mornin' all & Happy Fridee!
Those teabagger assholes in the Michigan state house are on a SERIOUS vendetta against the citizens who voted them out a month ago.. they've passed TWO right-to-mooch laws, re-passed the fascist emergency manager law that was REPEALED by referendum last month, passed hardcore anti-choice and anti-contraception measures, and now yesterday they passed possibly the most sadistic concealed carry bill in the country.
Vindictive Kochwhores aren't they?
Comment by Mondobubba on 12/14/2012 15:22:18
So tempted...must resist...There. Enjoy those Xmas tunes tonight!
Mondobubba on 12/14/2012 15:22:18
Quote by TriSec:
And now, curiously I feel icky this morning. They took me off the harsh stuff, but maybe that was working with the 5FU somehow to mollify all the side effects.
I ate everything that wasn't tied down last night, but now have no appetite and even skipped breakfast this am. I have sipped at some tea laced with suger so I get a few calories.
Anyway....I ditch the freakin' pump this afternoon, then off to a Pack Meeting. I'm going to try to play some Xmas tunes tonight.
So tempted...must resist...There. Enjoy those Xmas tunes tonight!
Comment by Mondobubba on 12/14/2012 15:23:51
Mondobubba on 12/14/2012 15:23:51
Comment by TriSec on 12/14/2012 15:35:51
Oh, there are quite a few that I don't play for....certain reasons.
TriSec on 12/14/2012 15:35:51
Quote by Mondobubba:
So tempted...must resist...There. Enjoy those Xmas tunes tonight!
Oh, there are quite a few that I don't play for....certain reasons.
Comment by wickedpam on 12/14/2012 15:47:35
wickedpam on 12/14/2012 15:47:35
Didn't Chuck Hagel declare he was in charge when Reagan was shot?
Comment by TriSec on 12/14/2012 15:53:45
No, it was George Schulz.
TriSec on 12/14/2012 15:53:45
Quote by wickedpam:
Didn't Chuck Hagel declare he was in charge when Reagan was shot?
No, it was George Schulz.
Comment by wickedpam on 12/14/2012 15:55:03
why do I remember Hagel getting a "shot in the foot" award?
wickedpam on 12/14/2012 15:55:03
Quote by TriSec:Quote by wickedpam:
Didn't Chuck Hagel declare he was in charge when Reagan was shot?
No, it was George Schulz.
why do I remember Hagel getting a "shot in the foot" award?
Comment by Mondobubba on 12/14/2012 15:55:32
No, that was Alexander Haig.
Mondobubba on 12/14/2012 15:55:32
Quote by TriSec:Quote by wickedpam:
Didn't Chuck Hagel declare he was in charge when Reagan was shot?
No, it was George Schulz.
No, that was Alexander Haig.
Comment by Mondobubba on 12/14/2012 15:56:08
You did my voice mail then.
Mondobubba on 12/14/2012 15:56:08
Quote by TriSec:Quote by Mondobubba:
So tempted...must resist...There. Enjoy those Xmas tunes tonight!
Oh, there are quite a few that I don't play for....certain reasons.
You did my voice mail then.
Comment by wickedpam on 12/14/2012 15:56:20
wickedpam on 12/14/2012 15:56:20
I'm think I'm going to declare 2012 the Year of the Free Loader
Comment by Raine on 12/14/2012 15:58:00
Raine on 12/14/2012 15:58:00
I liked what David Bender just said-- Deval Patrick could interim appoint Barney frank as a placeholder,and then run for the senate seat himself (Bender said Patrick will be termed out by then, I wasn't aware of that)
I could livewiththat.
He also mentioned Tri's own Ed Marckey -- said he has plenty of money to run for Senate.
I could livewiththat.
He also mentioned Tri's own Ed Marckey -- said he has plenty of money to run for Senate.
Comment by Mondobubba on 12/14/2012 16:01:26
Mondobubba on 12/14/2012 16:01:26
Comment by TriSec on 12/14/2012 16:03:34
TriSec on 12/14/2012 16:03:34
There is no term limit on the Governor's office in this Commonwealth.
However, Deval Patrick is on record as stating he only wanted two terms and will not run again, so take that FWIW.
I have not heard anything about Ed Markey running for the Senate. The only rumblings are around Brown trying again, Martha Coakley, and possibly Bill Weld.
Not even who we all thought should have run last time, Mike Capuano.
In any case...
However, Deval Patrick is on record as stating he only wanted two terms and will not run again, so take that FWIW.
I have not heard anything about Ed Markey running for the Senate. The only rumblings are around Brown trying again, Martha Coakley, and possibly Bill Weld.
Not even who we all thought should have run last time, Mike Capuano.
In any case...
Comment by TriSec on 12/14/2012 16:05:14
TriSec on 12/14/2012 16:05:14
Oh, and the law in this Commonwealth was changed a while back. It used to be appointment by the governor to fill a term, but this was changed by the legislature during the Romney tenure so he couldn't appoint a republican, should the situation arise.
It has not been changed back; we'd still need a special election if Kerry goes up.
Gov. Patrick could do nothing in this situation with Barney Frank. (but wouldn't he be fun in the Senate?)
It has not been changed back; we'd still need a special election if Kerry goes up.
Gov. Patrick could do nothing in this situation with Barney Frank. (but wouldn't he be fun in the Senate?)
Comment by Scoopster on 12/14/2012 16:12:16
Scoopster on 12/14/2012 16:12:16
Comment by Scoopster on 12/14/2012 16:13:49
Scoopster on 12/14/2012 16:13:49
Oh.. nvm it's satire. 
Comment by wickedpam on 12/14/2012 16:13:59
"I have a moral objection to buying that orange! No SNAP for you!"
assholes
wickedpam on 12/14/2012 16:13:59
"I have a moral objection to buying that orange! No SNAP for you!"
assholes
Comment by wickedpam on 12/14/2012 16:14:43
now a warning!
wickedpam on 12/14/2012 16:14:43
Quote by Scoopster:
Oh.. nvm it's satire.
now a warning!
Comment by Mondobubba on 12/14/2012 16:19:42
Mondobubba on 12/14/2012 16:19:42
Had to correct a website for chiropractor that listed "Genital stretching" as a service. Oops!
Comment by Scoopster on 12/14/2012 16:19:55
Says a lot that this is so on point to how these morons act that I didn't notice.
Scoopster on 12/14/2012 16:19:55
Quote by wickedpam:Quote by Scoopster:
Oh.. nvm it's satire.
now a warning!
Says a lot that this is so on point to how these morons act that I didn't notice.
Comment by wickedpam on 12/14/2012 16:22:28
I just don't put anything past anyone these days.
wickedpam on 12/14/2012 16:22:28
Quote by Scoopster:Quote by wickedpam:Quote by Scoopster:
Oh.. nvm it's satire.
now a warning!
Says a lot that this is so on point to how these morons act that I didn't notice.
I just don't put anything past anyone these days.
Comment by TriSec on 12/14/2012 16:27:08
TriSec on 12/14/2012 16:27:08
Ya know, "Pa-rum-pum-pum-pum" sounds not unlike what happens when you accidentally drop the baby Jesus down a flight of stairs.
Comment by 
BobR on 12/14/2012 16:29:24
BobR on 12/14/2012 16:29:24
Quote by TriSec:
Ya know, "Pa-rum-pum-pum-pum" sounds not unlike what happens when you accidentally drop the baby Jesus down a flight of stairs.
Comment by Mondobubba on 12/14/2012 16:30:46
You are so going to Hell for that!
Mondobubba on 12/14/2012 16:30:46
Quote by TriSec:
Ya know, "Pa-rum-pum-pum-pum" sounds not unlike what happens when you accidentally drop the baby Jesus down a flight of stairs.
You are so going to Hell for that!
Comment by Raine on 12/14/2012 16:36:34
Raine on 12/14/2012 16:36:34
Mala, did you watch Glee? Did you see Mini Pucks mom???? **swoon**
Comment by Mondobubba on 12/14/2012 16:43:56
Mondobubba on 12/14/2012 16:43:56
No love for "genital streching." You guys are increasingly tough room! 
Comment by wickedpam on 12/14/2012 16:44:48
Oh yes! It was the best epi I've seen in a while really. They need more Bieste! I so think Kurt's dad isn't telling him the whole story? Why would he bring Blaine out to NYC for Christmas?
wickedpam on 12/14/2012 16:44:48
Quote by Raine:
Mala, did you watch Glee? Did you see Mini Pucks mom???? **swoon**
Oh yes! It was the best epi I've seen in a while really. They need more Bieste! I so think Kurt's dad isn't telling him the whole story? Why would he bring Blaine out to NYC for Christmas?
Comment by wickedpam on 12/14/2012 16:46:04
ya, I was just letting that lie there and tip toeing away
wickedpam on 12/14/2012 16:46:04
Quote by Mondobubba:
No love for "genital streching." You guys are increasingly tough room!
ya, I was just letting that lie there and tip toeing away
Comment by wickedpam on 12/14/2012 16:46:47
and Becky is an increasing riot :D
wickedpam on 12/14/2012 16:46:47
Quote by wickedpam:Quote by Raine:
Mala, did you watch Glee? Did you see Mini Pucks mom???? **swoon**
Oh yes! It was the best epi I've seen in a while really. They need more Bieste! I so think Kurt's dad isn't telling him the whole story? Why would he bring Blaine out to NYC for Christmas?
and Becky is an increasing riot :D
Comment by Mondobubba on 12/14/2012 16:48:00
C'mon. it was on a chiropractor's website! How is that not funny?? Seriously?
Mondobubba on 12/14/2012 16:48:00
Quote by wickedpam:Quote by Mondobubba:
No love for "genital streching." You guys are increasingly tough room!
ya, I was just letting that lie there and tip toeing away
C'mon. it was on a chiropractor's website! How is that not funny?? Seriously?
Comment by Raine on 12/14/2012 16:59:45
Bob noticed it was Aisha and I did a double take. bogety boogety cheese!
And yeah, I don;t think Kurt's dad is telling the whole story. I thought it strange that Finn's mon wasn't there.
Raine on 12/14/2012 16:59:45
Quote by wickedpam:Quote by wickedpam:Quote by Raine:
Mala, did you watch Glee? Did you see Mini Pucks mom???? **swoon**
Oh yes! It was the best epi I've seen in a while really. They need more Bieste! I so think Kurt's dad isn't telling him the whole story? Why would he bring Blaine out to NYC for Christmas?
and Becky is an increasing riot :D
Bob noticed it was Aisha and I did a double take. bogety boogety cheese!
And yeah, I don;t think Kurt's dad is telling the whole story. I thought it strange that Finn's mon wasn't there.
Comment by wickedpam on 12/14/2012 17:02:38
I thought Kurt said she was going to an aunts house? Aisha was great -hope she's on more often with Puke's mom, love how they created their own family.
I think its more then stage 1.
wickedpam on 12/14/2012 17:02:38
Quote by Raine:Quote by wickedpam:Quote by wickedpam:Quote by Raine:
Mala, did you watch Glee? Did you see Mini Pucks mom???? **swoon**
Oh yes! It was the best epi I've seen in a while really. They need more Bieste! I so think Kurt's dad isn't telling him the whole story? Why would he bring Blaine out to NYC for Christmas?
and Becky is an increasing riot :D
Bob noticed it was Aisha and I did a double take. bogety boogety cheese!
And yeah, I don;t think Kurt's dad is telling the whole story. I thought it strange that Finn's mon wasn't there.
I thought Kurt said she was going to an aunts house? Aisha was great -hope she's on more often with Puke's mom, love how they created their own family.
I think its more then stage 1.
Comment by Raine on 12/14/2012 17:03:15
Raine on 12/14/2012 17:03:15
This story out of Connecticut is really bothersome. One Gunman dead. Teacher wounded-- numerous injuries. at a damned ELEMENTARY SCHOOL.
Comment by wickedpam on 12/14/2012 17:05:20
The Mic/ABC news break was reporting 2 gunman - 1 still on the loose.
wickedpam on 12/14/2012 17:05:20
Quote by Raine:
This story out of Connecticut is really bothersome. One Gunman dead. Teacher wounded-- numerous injuries. at a damned ELEMENTARY SCHOOL.
The Mic/ABC news break was reporting 2 gunman - 1 still on the loose.
Comment by Raine on 12/14/2012 17:05:20
Raine on 12/14/2012 17:05:20
The source says one weapon recovered is a Glock and the other is a Sig Sauer.
Comment by 
livingonli on 12/14/2012 17:06:31
livingonli on 12/14/2012 17:06:31
Good day, folks. The recent round of shootings and the NRA still says there's no problem with unregulated rampant gun ownership because everything can be solved like it was in westerns and action movies because they are just like real life.
Comment by Raine on 12/14/2012 17:07:44
I was just looking to see if that was still the case. ( was trying to get the HArtford Courant website to load.) This is fucked up. Kindergartners. 
I;m so sad.
Raine on 12/14/2012 17:07:44
Quote by wickedpam:Quote by Raine:
This story out of Connecticut is really bothersome. One Gunman dead. Teacher wounded-- numerous injuries. at a damned ELEMENTARY SCHOOL.
The Mic/ABC news break was reporting 2 gunman - 1 still on the loose.
Multiple people, including children, have been killed in a shooting at Sandy Hook Elementary School.
The number of victims is unclear. Many of the shootings took place in a kindergarten classroom, sources said.
A person believed to be a shooter is dead. Earlier reports of a second shooter are unconfirmed.
I;m so sad.
Comment by wickedpam on 12/14/2012 17:08:49
omg, they're just babies!
wickedpam on 12/14/2012 17:08:49
Quote by Raine:I was just looking to see if that was still the case. ( was trying to get the HArtford Courant website to load.) This is fucked up. Kindergartners.Quote by wickedpam:Quote by Raine:
This story out of Connecticut is really bothersome. One Gunman dead. Teacher wounded-- numerous injuries. at a damned ELEMENTARY SCHOOL.
The Mic/ABC news break was reporting 2 gunman - 1 still on the loose.Multiple people, including children, have been killed in a shooting at Sandy Hook Elementary School.
The number of victims is unclear. Many of the shootings took place in a kindergarten classroom, sources said.
A person believed to be a shooter is dead. Earlier reports of a second shooter are unconfirmed.
I;m so sad.
omg, they're just babies!
Comment by Raine on 12/14/2012 17:13:55
Yes, they are babies.
Raine on 12/14/2012 17:13:55
Yes, they are babies.
Comment by Raine on 12/14/2012 17:16:15
Agreed, plus, it looks like Puck is coming back to the show! I like that.
I still think they could do 2 shows, Glee and Glee NYC.
Raine on 12/14/2012 17:16:15
Quote by wickedpam:
I thought Kurt said she was going to an aunts house? Aisha was great -hope she's on more often with Puke's mom, love how they created their own family.
I think its more then stage 1.
I still think they could do 2 shows, Glee and Glee NYC.
Comment by Mondobubba on 12/14/2012 17:18:45
Mondobubba on 12/14/2012 17:18:45
Comment by wickedpam on 12/14/2012 17:20:33
a spin off would be great
wickedpam on 12/14/2012 17:20:33
Quote by Raine:Agreed, plus, it looks like Puck is coming back to the show! I like that.Quote by wickedpam:
I thought Kurt said she was going to an aunts house? Aisha was great -hope she's on more often with Puke's mom, love how they created their own family.
I think its more then stage 1.
I still think they could do 2 shows, Glee and Glee NYC.
a spin off would be great
Comment by Mondobubba on 12/14/2012 17:21:13
Wow. just wow. Little kids.
Mondobubba on 12/14/2012 17:21:13
Quote by Raine:
This story out of Connecticut is really bothersome. One Gunman dead. Teacher wounded-- numerous injuries. at a damned ELEMENTARY SCHOOL.
Wow. just wow. Little kids.
Comment by Mondobubba on 12/14/2012 17:27:58
Mondobubba on 12/14/2012 17:27:58
Comment by Mondobubba on 12/14/2012 17:33:14
Mondobubba on 12/14/2012 17:33:14
Comment by wickedpam on 12/14/2012 17:42:01
wickedpam on 12/14/2012 17:42:01
OMG - the Courant is reporting at least 20 shot
Comment by Scoopster on 12/14/2012 17:47:29
Scoopster on 12/14/2012 17:47:29
Do I think that this incident - with grade school kids getting killed a week before fucking Christmas - will change any minds in this fucking country?
No.
It's one of the few rare things that I will pray for tho.
No.
It's one of the few rare things that I will pray for tho.
Comment by Scoopster on 12/14/2012 17:51:49
Scoopster on 12/14/2012 17:51:49
I'm fucking crying. What the hell.
Comment by TriSec on 12/14/2012 17:51:55
TriSec on 12/14/2012 17:51:55
So where was the NRA and their concealed-carry Gods? They could have prevented this shooting!!!
Freakin' asshats.
With each passing week, I believe more and more that the Founding Fathers were not infallible and they got this ammendment wrong.
Freakin' asshats.
With each passing week, I believe more and more that the Founding Fathers were not infallible and they got this ammendment wrong.
Comment by Mondobubba on 12/14/2012 17:53:25
I share you sentiments on this, Scoop. I can hear the chorus of stupid from the NRA, "This is why we need to have concealed carry in schools!"
Mondobubba on 12/14/2012 17:53:25
Quote by Scoopster:
Do I think that this incident - with grade school kids getting killed a week before fucking Christmas - will change any minds in this fucking country?
No.
It's one of the few rare things that I will pray for tho.
I share you sentiments on this, Scoop. I can hear the chorus of stupid from the NRA, "This is why we need to have concealed carry in schools!"
Comment by Raine on 12/14/2012 17:56:36
Raine on 12/14/2012 17:56:36
CBS is reporting 27 people are dead.
Comment by Raine on 12/14/2012 17:57:11
The number is rising.
Raine on 12/14/2012 17:57:11
Quote by wickedpam:
OMG - the Courant is reporting at least 20 shot
Comment by BobR on 12/14/2012 17:58:28
yes. perhaps he was being ironic?... or making a political statement?
BobR on 12/14/2012 17:58:28
Quote by Mondobubba:
man robs bank wearing Romney mask.
DC peeps, this was in Sterling. Have you heard about it?
yes. perhaps he was being ironic?... or making a political statement?
Comment by Raine on 12/14/2012 17:59:07
I have said it before that this is the ONLY amendment that gives a right to won an object.
It is the mot poorly considered in the bill of rights.
Imagine for one moment if we find out that the shooter was a teacher. Then you know what? ALL FUCKING NRA defensiveness are done.
Raine on 12/14/2012 17:59:07
Quote by TriSec:
So where was the NRA and their concealed-carry Gods? They could have prevented this shooting!!!
Freakin' asshats.
With each passing week, I believe more and more that the Founding Fathers were not infallible and they got this ammendment wrong.
It is the mot poorly considered in the bill of rights.
Imagine for one moment if we find out that the shooter was a teacher. Then you know what? ALL FUCKING NRA defensiveness are done.
Comment by wickedpam on 12/14/2012 18:01:12
all I keep thinking is someone's baby isn't coming home tonight
wickedpam on 12/14/2012 18:01:12
Quote by Raine:The number is rising.Quote by wickedpam:
OMG - the Courant is reporting at least 20 shot
all I keep thinking is someone's baby isn't coming home tonight
Comment by Raine on 12/14/2012 18:03:02
Raine on 12/14/2012 18:03:02
AP is reporting 27 dead, 18 children.
Comment by TriSec on 12/14/2012 18:12:19
TriSec on 12/14/2012 18:12:19
With each update, I can hardly do more than shake my head.
What is this, freakin' Afghanistan?
What is this, freakin' Afghanistan?
Comment by Mondobubba on 12/14/2012 18:13:38
That is what I was thinking.
Mondobubba on 12/14/2012 18:13:38
Quote by BobR:Quote by Mondobubba:
man robs bank wearing Romney mask.
DC peeps, this was in Sterling. Have you heard about it?
yes. perhaps he was being ironic?... or making a political statement?
That is what I was thinking.
Comment by Raine on 12/14/2012 18:14:35
Raine on 12/14/2012 18:14:35
Thank you to Andrea Mitchell.
Sher just said, live on TV, that we need to talk about gun violence in this nation-- and that it is not about 2nd amendment rights. It is about violence.
Sher just said, live on TV, that we need to talk about gun violence in this nation-- and that it is not about 2nd amendment rights. It is about violence.
Comment by TriSec on 12/14/2012 18:20:14
TriSec on 12/14/2012 18:20:14
That's it.
At the age of 16, everyone is hereby to be issued a handgun and $1m in cash.
Good luck.
That's what this country is coming to, methinks.
Nobody cares about anything else except guns and profits. So, that's all we should receive.
At the age of 16, everyone is hereby to be issued a handgun and $1m in cash.
Good luck.
That's what this country is coming to, methinks.
Nobody cares about anything else except guns and profits. So, that's all we should receive.
Comment by 
clintster on 12/14/2012 18:21:00
clintster on 12/14/2012 18:21:00
As a (former and future) teacher and the parent of a 3rd grader, you can damn sure bet that I have something to say about this. I'm not ready to do it, though. Right now, I am shaking, crying, and wishing to God that I were back in Georgia so I could hold my boy.
Comment by Raine on 12/14/2012 18:21:06
Raine on 12/14/2012 18:21:06
NBC reporting a second person has been taken into custody.
Comment by Raine on 12/14/2012 18:21:39
Raine on 12/14/2012 18:21:39
Quote by clintster:
As a (former and future) teacher and the parent of a 3rd grader, you can damn sure bet that I have something to say about this. I'm not ready to do it, though. Right now, I am shaking, crying, and wishing to God that I were back in Georgia so I could hold my boy.
Comment by wickedpam on 12/14/2012 18:22:32
wickedpam on 12/14/2012 18:22:32
Quote by Raine:Quote by clintster:
As a (former and future) teacher and the parent of a 3rd grader, you can damn sure bet that I have something to say about this. I'm not ready to do it, though. Right now, I am shaking, crying, and wishing to God that I were back in Georgia so I could hold my boy.
Comment by Raine on 12/14/2012 18:23:03
All I can do is think about my nephew -- in Preschool. HE's gonna be in K-garten next year.
Raine on 12/14/2012 18:23:03
Quote by Raine:Quote by clintster:
As a (former and future) teacher and the parent of a 3rd grader, you can damn sure bet that I have something to say about this. I'm not ready to do it, though. Right now, I am shaking, crying, and wishing to God that I were back in Georgia so I could hold my boy.
All I can do is think about my nephew -- in Preschool. HE's gonna be in K-garten next year.
Comment by TriSec on 12/14/2012 18:26:45
TriSec on 12/14/2012 18:26:45
Gotta go - headed to Mt. Auburn to ditch my pump, then a Pack Meeting tonight.
TTFN!
TTFN!
Comment by clintster on 12/14/2012 18:33:17
Such an unfortunately prescient title for today's blog, even if it's on a different topic. I'm already seeing the cycle continue on Facebook, Twitter, the news. Maybe I will need to write something later.
clintster on 12/14/2012 18:33:17
Quote by Raine:Quote by Raine:Quote by clintster:
As a (former and future) teacher and the parent of a 3rd grader, you can damn sure bet that I have something to say about this. I'm not ready to do it, though. Right now, I am shaking, crying, and wishing to God that I were back in Georgia so I could hold my boy.
All I can do is think about my nephew -- in Preschool. HE's gonna be in K-garten next year.
Such an unfortunately prescient title for today's blog, even if it's on a different topic. I'm already seeing the cycle continue on Facebook, Twitter, the news. Maybe I will need to write something later.
Comment by Scoopster on 12/14/2012 18:40:31
Scoopster on 12/14/2012 18:40:31
Really pissed at Obama right now..
Not the day to discuss gun laws? THAT DAY PASSED LONG AGO, SIR.
Not the day to discuss gun laws? THAT DAY PASSED LONG AGO, SIR.
Comment by Raine on 12/14/2012 18:53:13
Any time you want Clint.
Raine on 12/14/2012 18:53:13
Quote by clintster:Quote by Raine:Quote by Raine:Quote by clintster:
As a (former and future) teacher and the parent of a 3rd grader, you can damn sure bet that I have something to say about this. I'm not ready to do it, though. Right now, I am shaking, crying, and wishing to God that I were back in Georgia so I could hold my boy.
All I can do is think about my nephew -- in Preschool. HE's gonna be in K-garten next year.
Such an unfortunately prescient title for today's blog, even if it's on a different topic. I'm already seeing the cycle continue on Facebook, Twitter, the news. Maybe I will need to write something later.
Comment by Raine on 12/14/2012 18:54:07
The can that just keeps getting kicked down the road. I'll give people at least time to figure out what happened, but we fucking need to discuss this.
Raine on 12/14/2012 18:54:07
Quote by Scoopster:
Really pissed at Obama right now..
Not the day to discuss gun laws? THAT DAY PASSED LONG AGO, SIR.
Comment by Raine on 12/14/2012 19:04:19
Raine on 12/14/2012 19:04:19
Bomb squad is being sent to the dead suspects house.
Comment by wickedpam on 12/14/2012 19:05:00
wickedpam on 12/14/2012 19:05:00
so how soon do you think Fox or Beck will say that this is all a plan so Obama can take away peoples guns
Comment by Mondobubba on 12/14/2012 19:11:59
Ding!Ding!Ding!Ding!
Mondobubba on 12/14/2012 19:11:59
Quote by Raine:
Thank you to Andrea Mitchell.
Sher just said, live on TV, that we need to talk about gun violence in this nation-- and that it is not about 2nd amendment rights. It is about violence.
Ding!Ding!Ding!Ding!
Comment by Mondobubba on 12/14/2012 19:15:12
Mondobubba on 12/14/2012 19:15:12
Just called the NRA. To express my displeasure as a gun owner about gun violence and the NRA's inability to have an adult discussion about the issue. Eric was was an insensitive, indifferent little cretin.
You can call too. 800-672-3888
You can call too. 800-672-3888
Comment by Raine on 12/14/2012 19:15:30
FreeRepublic is already all over it.
Raine on 12/14/2012 19:15:30
Quote by wickedpam:
so how soon do you think Fox or Beck will say that this is all a plan so Obama can take away peoples guns
Comment by Mondobubba on 12/14/2012 19:16:07
Of course they are.
Mondobubba on 12/14/2012 19:16:07
Quote by Raine:FreeRepublic is already all over it.Quote by wickedpam:
so how soon do you think Fox or Beck will say that this is all a plan so Obama can take away peoples guns
Of course they are.
Comment by wickedpam on 12/14/2012 19:17:37
seriously - what is wrong with people
wickedpam on 12/14/2012 19:17:37
Quote by Mondobubba:Quote by Raine:FreeRepublic is already all over it.Quote by wickedpam:
so how soon do you think Fox or Beck will say that this is all a plan so Obama can take away peoples guns
Of course they are.
seriously - what is wrong with people
Comment by Raine on 12/14/2012 19:18:59
We have a mental health issue in this nation, serious.
Raine on 12/14/2012 19:18:59
Quote by wickedpam:Quote by Mondobubba:Quote by Raine:FreeRepublic is already all over it.Quote by wickedpam:
so how soon do you think Fox or Beck will say that this is all a plan so Obama can take away peoples guns
Of course they are.
seriously - what is wrong with people
Comment by Raine on 12/14/2012 19:21:47
Raine on 12/14/2012 19:21:47
Reports are that on parent of the shooter has been found dead in New Jersey. (MSNBC) looking for a confirm.
Comment by Scoopster on 12/14/2012 19:21:52
I already heard about their pathetic response.
Scoopster on 12/14/2012 19:21:52
Quote by Mondobubba:
Just called the NRA. To express my displeasure as a gun owner about gun violence and the NRA's inability to have an adult discussion about the issue. Eric was was an insensitive, indifferent little cretin.
You can call too. 800-672-3888
I already heard about their pathetic response.
Comment by Raine on 12/14/2012 19:22:50
Raine on 12/14/2012 19:22:50
There are still reports that one classroom not yet accounted for.
Comment by Raine on 12/14/2012 19:25:25
Raine on 12/14/2012 19:25:25
Ryan Lanza, 24 -- His Mother was a Kindergarten teacher in the School. He is from New Jersey according to MSNBC
Comment by Raine on 12/14/2012 19:25:58
Raine on 12/14/2012 19:25:58
Father is suspected to be killed in Hoboken. Mother was a teacher in Newtown.
Comment by Mondobubba on 12/14/2012 19:36:24
Yep. Smug, I forgot that.
Mondobubba on 12/14/2012 19:36:24
Quote by Scoopster:Quote by Mondobubba:
Just called the NRA. To express my displeasure as a gun owner about gun violence and the NRA's inability to have an adult discussion about the issue. Eric was was an insensitive, indifferent little cretin.
You can call too. 800-672-3888
I already heard about their pathetic response.
Yep. Smug, I forgot that.
Comment by Raine on 12/14/2012 19:37:06
Raine on 12/14/2012 19:37:06
The Mother is dead.
Comment by wickedpam on 12/14/2012 19:39:23
found his FB page - looks like its set to private so there nothing there
wickedpam on 12/14/2012 19:39:23
Quote by Raine:
Ryan Lanza, 24 -- His Mother was a Kindergarten teacher in the School. He is from New Jersey according to MSNBC
found his FB page - looks like its set to private so there nothing there
Comment by Raine on 12/14/2012 19:43:32
We maybe looking at different pages, cause I see a Ryan from Newtown that lives in Hoboken. Pictures and everything.
Raine on 12/14/2012 19:43:32
Quote by wickedpam:Quote by Raine:
Ryan Lanza, 24 -- His Mother was a Kindergarten teacher in the School. He is from New Jersey according to MSNBC
found his FB page - looks like its set to private so there nothing there
Comment by Scoopster on 12/14/2012 19:43:45
Scoopster on 12/14/2012 19:43:45
Comment by Raine on 12/14/2012 19:48:42
Raine on 12/14/2012 19:48:42
can you see this?
It wasaccompaniedwith a post from a FBF (december 8)
It wasaccompaniedwith a post from a FBF (december 8)
Jonathan Russell Look like you're about to buy an Ale, but then paint a picture of it... very mixed... all good, though. Kinda like if Solid Snake was wearing a Neo trenchcoat. This can only turn out awesome.
Comment by wickedpam on 12/14/2012 19:55:02
he totally looks like a normal guy - what happened to him that he felt that is was okay to go kill 5 and 6 year olds?
wickedpam on 12/14/2012 19:55:02
Quote by Raine:
can you see this?
It wasaccompaniedwith a post from a FBF (december 8)Jonathan Russell Look like you're about to buy an Ale, but then paint a picture of it... very mixed... all good, though. Kinda like if Solid Snake was wearing a Neo trenchcoat. This can only turn out awesome.
he totally looks like a normal guy - what happened to him that he felt that is was okay to go kill 5 and 6 year olds?
Comment by livingonli on 12/14/2012 19:55:19
livingonli on 12/14/2012 19:55:19
I wonder what would happen if some nut shot up an NRA convention. Would the NRA still say everyone should have the right to high power weapons if many of their leaders were blown away by a mad shooter nut job. If they can still hold that position after that, than they belong in a mental hospital.
Comment by wickedpam on 12/14/2012 20:00:01
it was the same page
wickedpam on 12/14/2012 20:00:01
Quote by Raine:We maybe looking at different pages, cause I see a Ryan from Newtown that lives in Hoboken. Pictures and everything.Quote by wickedpam:Quote by Raine:
Ryan Lanza, 24 -- His Mother was a Kindergarten teacher in the School. He is from New Jersey according to MSNBC
found his FB page - looks like its set to private so there nothing there
it was the same page
Comment by Raine on 12/14/2012 20:00:49
Except the shooter is reported to have worn a trenchcoat.
Solid Snake is a character in the video game Metal Gear.
I can see it now. It's all the fault of video games.
Yes -- you heard it here first.
Raine on 12/14/2012 20:00:49
Quote by wickedpam:Quote by Raine:
can you see this?
It wasaccompaniedwith a post from a FBF (december 8)Jonathan Russell Look like you're about to buy an Ale, but then paint a picture of it... very mixed... all good, though. Kinda like if Solid Snake was wearing a Neo trenchcoat. This can only turn out awesome.
he totally looks like a normal guy - what happened to him that he felt that is was okay to go kill 5 and 6 year olds?
Solid Snake is a character in the video game Metal Gear.
I can see it now. It's all the fault of video games.
Yes -- you heard it here first.
Comment by Raine on 12/14/2012 20:03:59
Raine on 12/14/2012 20:03:59
Personally, I think someone should be paying a visit to Jonathan Russell.
Yes, I said that as well.
Yes, I said that as well.
Comment by wickedpam on 12/14/2012 20:05:29
I don't even think Metal Gear is that bad a game. Least I haven't heard anything about it.
wickedpam on 12/14/2012 20:05:29
Quote by Raine:Except the shooter is reported to have worn a trenchcoat.Quote by wickedpam:Quote by Raine:
can you see this?
It wasaccompaniedwith a post from a FBF (december 8)Jonathan Russell Look like you're about to buy an Ale, but then paint a picture of it... very mixed... all good, though. Kinda like if Solid Snake was wearing a Neo trenchcoat. This can only turn out awesome.
he totally looks like a normal guy - what happened to him that he felt that is was okay to go kill 5 and 6 year olds?
Solid Snake is a character in the video game Metal Gear.
I can see it now. It's all the fault of video games.
Yes -- you heard it here first.
I don't even think Metal Gear is that bad a game. Least I haven't heard anything about it.
Comment by Raine on 12/14/2012 20:07:13
Raine on 12/14/2012 20:07:13
It might not be the same fellow, but -- I'm willing to be wrong. This is why I post stuff like this here.
Comment by wickedpam on 12/14/2012 20:16:34
FB just took it down. THere is another Ryan Lanza that has a FB page but he's posted very recently. That was the guy.
wickedpam on 12/14/2012 20:16:34
Quote by Raine:
It might not be the same fellow, but -- I'm willing to be wrong. This is why I post stuff like this here.
FB just took it down. THere is another Ryan Lanza that has a FB page but he's posted very recently. That was the guy.
Comment by Scoopster on 12/14/2012 20:17:53
Scoopster on 12/14/2012 20:17:53
Obama addressing the nation right now.
Comment by Raine on 12/14/2012 20:20:09
Raine on 12/14/2012 20:20:09
Comment by Raine on 12/14/2012 20:21:04
Raine on 12/14/2012 20:21:04
Comment by Raine on 12/14/2012 20:23:07
We'll know soon.
Like I said,there are things that I post here and not else where -- you guys know me. I'm willing to be wrong in a safe place.
Raine on 12/14/2012 20:23:07
Quote by wickedpam:Quote by Raine:
It might not be the same fellow, but -- I'm willing to be wrong. This is why I post stuff like this here.
FB just took it down. THere is another Ryan Lanza that has a FB page but he's posted very recently. That was the guy.
Like I said,there are things that I post here and not else where -- you guys know me. I'm willing to be wrong in a safe place.
Comment by Scoopster on 12/14/2012 20:25:44
He barely managed to contain his emotion.. really glad he just said what needed to be said about addressing this epidemic of gun violence.
Scoopster on 12/14/2012 20:25:44
Quote by Raine:
He barely managed to contain his emotion.. really glad he just said what needed to be said about addressing this epidemic of gun violence.
Comment by wickedpam on 12/14/2012 20:25:53
wickedpam on 12/14/2012 20:25:53
Quote by Raine:We'll know soon.Quote by wickedpam:Quote by Raine:
It might not be the same fellow, but -- I'm willing to be wrong. This is why I post stuff like this here.
FB just took it down. THere is another Ryan Lanza that has a FB page but he's posted very recently. That was the guy.
Like I said,there are things that I post here and not else where -- you guys know me. I'm willing to be wrong in a safe place.
Comment by Raine on 12/14/2012 20:27:24
I know you are, Scoop.
Raine on 12/14/2012 20:27:24
Quote by Scoopster:Quote by Raine:
He barely managed to contain his emotion.. really glad he just said what needed to be said about addressing this epidemic of gun violence.
I know you are, Scoop.
Comment by wickedpam on 12/14/2012 20:31:09
Gawker is confused too
wickedpam on 12/14/2012 20:31:09
Quote by wickedpam:Quote by Raine:We'll know soon.Quote by wickedpam:Quote by Raine:
It might not be the same fellow, but -- I'm willing to be wrong. This is why I post stuff like this here.
FB just took it down. THere is another Ryan Lanza that has a FB page but he's posted very recently. That was the guy.
Like I said,there are things that I post here and not else where -- you guys know me. I'm willing to be wrong in a safe place.
Gawker is confused too
Comment by Raine on 12/14/2012 21:12:37
Raine on 12/14/2012 21:12:37
Comment by Mondobubba on 12/14/2012 21:49:24
Mondobubba on 12/14/2012 21:49:24
In all the kurffle of the day, I forgot to post this earlier. Heartwarming, yet bitter sweet. It's like "50 First Dates," but for realz.
Damn onions!
Damn onions!
Comment by Mondobubba on 12/14/2012 21:50:22
The NRA is irony impaired. I think that is because they are sociopaths.
Mondobubba on 12/14/2012 21:50:22
Quote by Raine:Quote by Mondobubba:
NRA, lobby for criminals.
Ironically -- it was the National RIFLE Association.
The NRA is irony impaired. I think that is because they are sociopaths.
Comment by Raine on 12/15/2012 05:51:52
Raine on 12/15/2012 05:51:52
Quote by Mondobubba:
In all the kurffle of the day, I forgot to post this earlier. Heartwarming, yet bitter sweet. It's like "50 First Dates," but for realz.
Damn onions!