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Putting out the Fire with Gasoline
Author: BobR    Date: 2014-09-03 10:30:37

Last week, I wrote a blog indicating how blowback has been a big factor in the mushrooming problems in the Middle East. When President Dubya cut loose all those trained professional Sunni army soldiers in Iraq, it was only a matter of time before it bit us in the ass. Add to that providing financial and military hardware aid to insurgents in Syria, and we created a perfect storm for ISIS to evolve from the mess like some monster surging forth from a toxic waste dump in a bad science fiction movie. Except in this case - the monster is real.

While it's generally agreed upon that we created this monster, what's even more chilling is how much they've imitated our methods. They are water-boarding (western) prisoners, and dressing them in orange jumpsuits - just like Gitmo. Of course, we didn't cut their heads off, record it, and send the video out to the world. No, In our case, they were posed in nude pyramids, photographed, and then ended up "accidentally" dying while being interrogated. Once again - our actions come back to haunt us (blowback). It doesn't matter to the leaders of ISIS if that was all just "bad apples" on our part any more than it matters to us that most of the Islamic world is horrified at the dark ages being unleashed in the land were civilization began by a few extremists.

Naturally, the warmongers in DC (like Lindsey Graham (R-SC) & John McCain (R-AZ)) think the we need to do "something" rather vague in description, but definitely military-based, and generally not legal without permission from Syria. Of course - as previously mentioned, we were helping these same folks when they were fighting the Syrian regime, but now that they've killed a couple of western journalists, it's time to turn them all into a grease stain in the sand.

http://www.fourfreedomsblog.com/uploads/comic_2014_09_03.jpg


It's all more of the same. The enemy of our enemy is our friend, until we realize they are no better (and sometimes worse) than the original enemy. Keep bombing and pumping up "freedom fighters" until they start living their lives they way they've wanted - according to antiquated religious notions that required murdering anyone who disagrees with them.

Any member of the press that goes into that hell hole is as brave as any soldier if you ask me - perhaps braver (or dumber). They certainly know the risks. To further endanger lives here in the U.S. via a knee-jerk reaction to the grisly murder of 2 Americans who put themselves into harms way is stupid. How many American tourists get murdered overseas? Where is the bombing campaign for them? If that doesn't make sense, than neither does pouring gasoline on the fire that's been burning there for hundreds of years.
 

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Comment by Will in Chicago on 09/03/2014 12:15:05
Good morning, bloggers!1

Raine thanks for a great blog. One of our foreign policy problems is that we do not think about long term consequences.

As for myself, I will be out for most of the day as I am seeing a job counselor.

Comment by BobR on 09/03/2014 13:05:14
Quote by Will in Chicago:
Good morning, bloggers!1

Raine thanks for a great blog. One of our foreign policy problems is that we do not think about long term consequences.

As for myself, I will be out for most of the day as I am seeing a job counselor.

*ahem*

Comment by Mondobubba on 09/03/2014 13:07:17
Bob, technically Lindsey Graham isn't a chicken hawk. He has served in the military. Yeah he was a member of the JAG corps, which is why I say technically.




Comment by Scoopster on 09/03/2014 13:07:17
Mornin' all..

I'm in a bit of a tiff this morning. This guy is the shittiest music columnist I've ever read. Apparently he writes reviews for music and comics at The Atlantic now (probably because Salon sacked him).

Comment by wickedpam on 09/03/2014 13:13:58
Morning

Comment by Raine on 09/03/2014 13:14:36
Good morning.

Comment by Scoopster on 09/03/2014 13:28:37
So on NPR earlier they were talking about how there was a ceasefire agreement between Russia and Ukraine. Then the story changed and they said..

- Russia announced that Putin and Poroshenko had a productive phone meeting and things were close to resolution.
- ...then Ukraine announced the ceasefire agreement.
- ...then Russia came out again and said 'Oh wait we never agreed to a ceasefire, because we're not even involved in hostilities!'



Comment by BobR on 09/03/2014 13:33:38
Quote by Mondobubba:
Bob, technically Lindsey Graham isn't a chicken hawk. He has served in the military. Yeah he was a member of the JAG corps, which is why I say technically.

Good point. I purposely left McCain out because of that.

I think I will update the blog, include McCain, and change the epithet to "war mongers"

Comment by Mondobubba on 09/03/2014 13:46:02
Quote by Scoopster:
So on NPR earlier they were talking about how there was a ceasefire agreement between Russia and Ukraine. Then the story changed and they said..

- Russia announced that Putin and Poroshenko had a productive phone meeting and things were close to resolution.
- ...then Ukraine announced the ceasefire agreement.
- ...then Russia came out again and said 'Oh wait we never agreed to a ceasefire, because we're not even involved in hostilities!'




We have never been at war with Eurasia.

Comment by Raine on 09/03/2014 14:02:40
Quote by Mondobubba:
Quote by Scoopster:
So on NPR earlier they were talking about how there was a ceasefire agreement between Russia and Ukraine. Then the story changed and they said..

- Russia announced that Putin and Poroshenko had a productive phone meeting and things were close to resolution.
- ...then Ukraine announced the ceasefire agreement.
- ...then Russia came out again and said 'Oh wait we never agreed to a ceasefire, because we're not even involved in hostilities!'




We have never been at war with Eurasia.



Comment by Raine on 09/03/2014 14:22:42
Comment by Will in Chicago on 09/03/2014 15:15:30
Quote by BobR:
Quote by Will in Chicago:
Good morning, bloggers!1

Raine thanks for a great blog. One of our foreign policy problems is that we do not think about long term consequences.

As for myself, I will be out for most of the day as I am seeing a job counselor.

*ahem*



I needed more caffeine before posting, BobR! Sorry.

As for John McCain and Lindsey Graham, I think the phrase warmonger is appropriate. They remind me of a phrase that Tim Kazurinsky once used on Saturday Night Live: wargasm.

Comment by BobR on 09/03/2014 15:28:21
Quote by Mondobubba:
Bob, technically Lindsey Graham isn't a chicken hawk. He has served in the military. Yeah he was a member of the JAG corps, which is why I say technically.

Heh... "jag".... heh heh heh...

Comment by Mondobubba on 09/03/2014 15:31:28
Quote by BobR:
Quote by Mondobubba:
Bob, technically Lindsey Graham isn't a chicken hawk. He has served in the military. Yeah he was a member of the JAG corps, which is why I say technically.

Heh... "jag".... heh heh heh...



Thank you for bringing the level of discourse where it needs to be, Boober. That of 13-year old boys.

Yikes, talk about your 13-years, sorry Bobber! I meant Bobber, I swear!

Comment by Mondobubba on 09/03/2014 15:32:31
Comment by Scoopster on 09/03/2014 16:42:37
Welp it's begun. I'm hearing from friends that their work internet filters are starting to block Reddit for "Child Pornography" over the whole jLaw et al nudie leak, because it contained underage pics of that duckface gymnast girl.



Comment by BobR on 09/03/2014 16:50:01
Comment by Mondobubba on 09/03/2014 16:53:56




That cat isn't grumpy looking, just sad. Really the weight of the world on her little shoulders sad.

Comment by Mondobubba on 09/03/2014 17:28:20
Comment by BobR on 09/03/2014 17:29:49
Quote by Mondobubba:


That cat isn't grumpy looking, just sad. Really the weight of the world on her little shoulders sad.

I think that's the idea - more downbeaten than grumpy.

Comment by wickedpam on 09/03/2014 18:14:22
Quote by Mondobubba:
Rejected Disney Princesses.



I'd be interested in movies about some of those. I find it interesting that the "villian" woman seem to be looked down on while in this modern era we praise characters like Frank Underwood as a tremendous "anti-hero" for doing a lot of the same things.

Comment by Raine on 09/03/2014 20:18:56
among the things I loathe:

Cleaning out the fridge.

Comment by Mondobubba on 09/03/2014 20:35:07
Quote by Raine:
among the things I loathe:

Cleaning out the fridge.



Among the things I loath:

Smarmy sexist comments to female co-workers.
Misogynistic comments from male co-workers.

Yes, this happened. Both. Today.

Comment by Raine on 09/03/2014 20:40:02
Quote by Mondobubba:
Quote by Raine:
among the things I loathe:

Cleaning out the fridge.



Among the things I loath:

Smarmy sexist comments to female co-workers.
Misogynistic comments from male co-workers.

Yes, this happened. Both. Today.
I would take out those sexist Misogynists the same way I am taking crap out of the fridge… Smells like crap -- you are trash…

I am also clean the crap they left behind…

Comment by Raine on 09/03/2014 20:40:47
And -- Mondo, thank you for noticing such treatment. I appreciate it!


Comment by livingonli on 09/03/2014 21:05:01
Worked late, slept late. Had a ton of stuff to do, and didn't even have time to pick up my laundry before work.