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Author: BobR    Date: 10/03/2008 12:28:58

It seemed like some sort of drug-induced fever-dream... There was Fargo's Marge Gunderson tarted up and playing the part of Miss South Carolina... "Oh ya" or "Ooh Key" she'd say in response to a question, then meander off-course and into an answer to a question not asked. I kept looking for signs of intelligence behind those blank eyes, but came up empty. It was a nightmare!

Actually, no it was not a dream, unfortunately, but the VP debates last night.

It was spectacularly frustrating watching her toss off a folksy homily and then lie or try to speak with conviction about something of which was she quite obviously ignorant. Like a true Caribou Barbie, when you pull its string, you always get a canned response, delivered in that fabulous Barbie way. You know the empty-headed piece of plastic isn't actually creating those responses on its own, but it's a great illusion. An not unlike a magic eight ball, the response may not be exactly what you were looking for when you asked the question.

She seemed a little more on her game than she has been lately with interviews. There were no obvious moose-in-the-headlight moments. There were very few fractured and incoherent sentences where her brain experiences 100% CPU utilization and just spins the pizza wheel. From that perspective, she admittedly did better than expected.

Of course, that's what happens when you don't have a journalist "belaboring the point" and forcing her to actually answer the question asked, and provide details. When she actually did address the question, it was certainly in the minority (probably countable on one hand). According to someone who has debated her in the past, this was to be expected:
When he faces off against Sarah Palin Thursday night, Joe Biden will have his hands full.

I should know. I've debated Governor Palin more than two dozen times. And she's a master, not of facts, figures, or insightful policy recommendations, but at the fine art of the nonanswer, the glittering generality.

Most of the time though, it was painfully obvious she was rote reciting memorized answers to questions. It wasn't a debate, it was an oral exam. When she said "say it ain't so Joe", I visibly cringed. How long had she been fondling that one in her jacket pocket, just waiting to pull it out? She also kept spewing out the word "maverick" in an almost Tourettes-like vocal spasm.

Joe, on the other hand, came across as smart, confident, informed, and real. He had a couple moments when he pulled out a prepared "zinger", but he mostly responded to the questions asked, and retorted the "facts" delivered in Palin's scripted answers. He was comfortable, cool, and collected. He looked vice-presidential.

To be fair, both sides occasionally played loose with the facts. With Biden, it was generally a small detail. Palin, however, delivered some real whoppers. Some examples:
PALIN: Said of Democratic presidential candidate Obama: "94 times he voted to increase taxes or not support a tax reduction."

THE FACTS: The dubious count includes repetitive votes as well as votes to cut taxes for the middle class while raising them on the rich. An analysis by factcheck.org found that 23 of the votes were for measures that would have produced no tax increase at all, seven were in favor of measures that would have lowered taxes for many, 11 would have increased taxes on only those making more than $1 million a year.

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BIDEN: Said McCain supports tax breaks for oil companies, and "wants to give them another $4 billion tax cut."

THE FACTS: Biden is repeating a favorite saw of the Obama campaign, and it's misleading. McCain supports a cut in income taxes for all corporations, and doesn't single out any one industry for that benefit.

The big moment of the debate (as noted by the pundits) is when Palin looked to Bush/Cheney for inspiration and claimed that they wanted to expand the powers of the vice-presidency. Considering the past eight years of the Executive branch running roughshod over Congress and the Constitution, that is a comment that should scare all patriotic Americans.

Ultimately, it was clear that Biden won the debate hands down. We can certainly hope it was the final nail in the coffin of McCain's whithering campaign. The prospect of a power-hungry vapid mercurial redneck one 72 year-old heartbeat away from the presidency is just too terrifying to contemplate.


 

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Comment by m-hadley on 10/03/2008 12:46:01
Nice summation BobR,

I watched the debate, but didn't live blog - I've just tried to do too much multi-tasking this week and needed a break. But I agree with you 100% on Palin's performance - too cute by half :airhump:

Cheers,

mfaye

:gobama:

Comment by clintster on 10/03/2008 12:47:13
Mornin'! Good post, Bobber!



It finally struck me this morning; the reason I was bothered so much by Milfy's constant "Marge and Miss South Carolina" routine was that this was essentially a job interview with the American people. How many interviews have happened where the interviewee kept winking at the interviewer, constantly talked about his/her hometown and chided another hopeful for not loving the company enough? And how many of those people got hired who weren't applying to be Hooters waitresses?



No disrespect to Hooters, of course.

Comment by TriSec on 10/03/2008 12:51:08
You know, that whole "Minnesota Nice" thing never bothered me...



Until Now.



: plunges daggers into own eyes :





Comment by TriSec on 10/03/2008 12:59:19
Question:



When President Carter and Robert F. Kennedy Jr. say "Nuke-You-Lar", how come they don't sound like retards?





Comment by BobR on 10/03/2008 13:01:08
Quote by TriSec:

Question:



When President Carter and Robert F. Kennedy Jr. say "Nuke-You-Lar", how come they don't sound like retards?





because they aren't?

Comment by wickedpam on 10/03/2008 13:08:00
Morning :hug:





There's been a coo on the show!

Comment by BobR on 10/03/2008 13:09:06
Quote by wickedpam:

Morning :hug:



There's been a coo on the show!


Momma sleeping one off?... :P

Comment by TriSec on 10/03/2008 13:09:08




Is it me, or is Jim using his "radio voice" today?

Comment by TriSec on 10/03/2008 13:10:03
Erm, that's "coup". Pigeons "coo".



:peace:





Comment by BobR on 10/03/2008 13:10:57
Fact Check on the Mooks:



Wyoming is the least populous state...

Comment by wickedpam on 10/03/2008 13:11:40
Quote by TriSec:

Erm, that's "coup". Pigeons "coo".



:peace:









thank you - I vapor locked on how to spell it :redface:

Comment by TriSec on 10/03/2008 13:11:45
"Say it ain't so, Joe"...as we all know was uttered by a small boy to Shoeless Joe Jackson in the wake of the Chicago Black Sox scandal.



However....the story is now considered apocryphal; it probably never happened.





Comment by BobR on 10/03/2008 13:14:52
That's Bob & Raine, not Bob & Ray... :P

Comment by Shane-O on 10/03/2008 13:15:16
Jim and Chris are GREAT on their own!!!! :clap:

Comment by MNRN on 10/03/2008 13:16:23
the boys are doing well.....I think.....

Comment by BobR on 10/03/2008 13:16:57
For everyone contemplating whether to have a donut this morning, consider this: it might be healthier than some breakfast meals

Comment by MNRN on 10/03/2008 13:17:10
Bill-O should not yell Oh Yeah, Oh Yeah when talking to Barney Frank....just sayin.

Comment by TriSec on 10/03/2008 13:18:27
Barney would have been justified to cold-cock Bill there.





Really, I'm at a loss over that clip.





Comment by BobR on 10/03/2008 13:19:51
Comment by Raine on 10/03/2008 13:19:54
Good morning!

Comment by wickedpam on 10/03/2008 13:20:06
get off the Chicks back you dolt.

Comment by TriSec on 10/03/2008 13:20:08
Well, who knew? And that's a good slug of salt and bacon on that, too!





Eat This Instead!

McDonald’s Egg McMuffin with coffee

310 calories

12 g fat (5 g saturated)

820 mg sodium

30 g carbs

3 g sugars

Comment by MNRN on 10/03/2008 13:20:24
good mornin!

Comment by MNRN on 10/03/2008 13:20:53
Jim Louise Ward......ha!

Comment by Raine on 10/03/2008 13:23:26
Has there been any mention of Momma's whereabouts?

Comment by TriSec on 10/03/2008 13:24:53
Quote by BobR:

For TriSec: World's Scariest Runways




I know a bunch of those, and that doesn't include the now-closed Kai Tak in Hong Kong....





Here's Honduras....watch his wheels over the ridge.







Comment by MNRN on 10/03/2008 13:25:23
Quote by TriSec:

You know, that whole "Minnesota Nice" thing never bothered me...



Until Now.



: plunges daggers into own eyes :









duuude don't go there.....she ain't one of us....fo sho.



Raine, Jim and Chris mentioned "problems in the bathroom" "dizzy" and "laying on the floor"

Comment by BobR on 10/03/2008 13:27:53
Quote by TriSec:



I know a bunch of those, and that doesn't include the now-closed Kai Tak in Hong Kong....



Here's Honduras....watch his wheels over the ridge.





:o



holy crap!

Comment by MNRN on 10/03/2008 13:31:22
well its official, based on that video of the plane landing, no mission trips to Honduras for your nurse.....whew.....





we have a group going to Mexico this coming week....I want to go on the next trip to Guatemala....DON"T show me the video, tri....

Comment by wickedpam on 10/03/2008 13:31:40
like Mondo said - when the bar is an inch off the floor it's hard not to live up to expectations.

Comment by Scoopster on 10/03/2008 13:33:34
Morning all..



So Milfy was jes' playen like a sea lion in the snow eh? The whole lookin' like an idiot compared to Katie Couric and Chuckie Gibson was all just a fakade! Kinda like how the whole Bush is a dumb hick thing is a fakeout - she knew exactly what she was doing and played it to a tee.



Unfortunately for her, Biden was prepared for it. She let her play that game and let her look good. And he looked even better, without patronizing her and without even acknowledging that she was part of the equation. And that is what threw her off her A-game.



Bush isn't the past Sarah - he's the present. He and his loyal goobers in Congress are exactly what have been root cause of the problems that we are now seeing. You didn't take that into account when you smarmily replied with your copycat 'therr you go agin' line. And as good as you made yourself look last night, the only people you impressed were the foxbots on Frank Luntz's panel.

Comment by TriSec on 10/03/2008 13:38:09
Somewhere in Iran, I imagine someone saying "Hey, there goes the president of the US talking about nucular weapons again....good thing we don't have any of those!"



"Pass me the plutonium, willya?"





Comment by TriSec on 10/03/2008 13:40:33
Some of these are flight-sim, but some are real-world:



Dangerous Approaches



Check out Madeira; that one is very similar to Kai Tak. (legendary in plane-spotting circles.)



Kai Tak from the checkerboard:



http://monday-fodder.com/hongkong/Kai%20Tak%204.jpg


Comment by Raine on 10/03/2008 13:42:24
Thanks for the update MNRN.



I has a feeling it was something like that. So Frangela musta picked her up off the floor?

Comment by Raine on 10/03/2008 13:44:54
:rofl: Jim and Chris are doing great!

Comment by TriSec on 10/03/2008 13:45:34
still waiting for Maho Beach photos.





Comment by BobR on 10/03/2008 13:46:05
Quote by MNRN:

Raine, Jim and Chris mentioned "problems in the bathroom" "dizzy" and "laying on the floor"


"... an empty box of wine was found nearby. Authorities are baffled..."

Comment by BobR on 10/03/2008 13:48:40
Quote by TriSec:

still waiting for Maho Beach photos.





Since you're twisting my arm...



From beneath:

http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a360/BobR_69/Airplanes/overhead.jpg




From the side:

http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a360/BobR_69/Airplanes/747.jpg




From the plane:

http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a360/BobR_69/Airplanes/MahoFromPlane.jpg


Comment by wickedpam on 10/03/2008 13:51:22
how many times did she say "maverick"?

Comment by TriSec on 10/03/2008 13:51:25
<-- swoon



[Of course being a French island, Maho Beach is "that kind of beach". Which is interfering with my plans to vacation there someday, despite all evidence to the contrary for Mrs. TriSec.]



Comment by BobR on 10/03/2008 13:53:47
Quote by TriSec:

<-- swoon



[Of course being a French island, Maho Beach is "that kind of beach". Which is interfering with my plans to vacation there someday, despite all evidence to the contrary for Mrs. TriSec.]



Actually, the island is half dutch, and I believe the airport is on the Dutch side. There was no nudity on the beach when I was there.



EDIT: On Maho beach. There was one beach on the French side that was clothing-optional, but there are plenty of other "family-friendly" beaches to choose from.

Comment by MNRN on 10/03/2008 13:54:06
having been to said island, and to "that kind of beach" um I can tell u and Mrs Tri that Maho ain't that....just saying....

Comment by TriSec on 10/03/2008 13:54:25
You know, I was a little nervous watching the footage of Gov. Palin walking down the airstair yesterday with her babe-in-arms.



Couldn't they have used a jetway? (Rhetorical question, photo-ops rule, I know.)





Comment by Raine on 10/03/2008 13:55:59




Joe nearly made me cry last night. Jor Biden.

Comment by BobR on 10/03/2008 13:56:12
Quote by TriSec:

You know, I was a little nervous watching the footage of Gov. Palin walking down the airstair yesterday with her babe-in-arms.



Couldn't they have used a jetway? (Rhetorical question, photo-ops rule, I know.)





As you already know, it depends on the airport.



I suppose there are also security concerns with taking a SS protected person through the middle of an airport...

Comment by MNRN on 10/03/2008 13:57:51
DING DING Bob is correct, the free beach is on the Dutch side, Orient Bay. A slice of paradise, at least it was about 25 years ago (jesus did I just say 25 years ago...)

Comment by wickedpam on 10/03/2008 13:58:27
Quote by TriSec:

You know, I was a little nervous watching the footage of Gov. Palin walking down the airstair yesterday with her babe-in-arms.



Couldn't they have used a jetway? (Rhetorical question, photo-ops rule, I know.)







does she not own one of those baby-carrier thing?



Comment by Raine on 10/03/2008 13:58:36
For the record, I did NOT consider Sarah's Hair *up* last night.



Comment by Raine on 10/03/2008 14:07:39
AWWWW... Poor Momma.







Comment by Scoopster on 10/03/2008 14:07:48
Oh my this does not bode well if the internets have anything to say..



http://ema.mtv.co.uk/vote/



Click on "Best Act Ever", and there in the mix with Britney and Bono is Rick Astley.