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So now it's the sexism? or is it, really?
Author: Raine    Date: 02/11/2008 13:03:44

The Clinton Campaign is starting to really worry me. In case you all were not aware, David Schuster was suspended from MSNBC. Here is the comment in context, and the morning after... :

The Clintons, however took it to nth degree, IMO.
From the WSJ, on Friday:
The controversial comment also could imperil Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton's, D-N.Y., participation in future presidential debates on the network, a Clinton spokesman said.

It seems it was all a misunderstanding tho. Oh silly media. The Clinton's just want MSNBC to clean up their act... From ABC NEWS...
After some conversations with folks at the Clinton campaign, I can offer some clarity -- maybe -- on what they're asking NBC/MSNBC to do.

And despite Clinton's letter, saying David Martin Shuster's apology and suspension was not sufficient, Clinton's goal is not for NBC to fire Shuster, he and his fans will be happy to hear. Until Thursday, the Clinton campaign had no issues with Shuster, I'm told.

The campaign says it has more to do with what it sees as a sexist, locker room, on-air atmosphere at MSNBC.

Clinton supporters ask: what other network has had, within the space of one year, because of comments widely seen as boorish and inappropriate, a firing (Imus), an on-air apology (Chris Matthews) and a suspension (Shuster)?

Clinton, who has been on the receiving end in two of those incidents, is taking a stand for MSNBC to clean up its act. Or, so Camp Clinton says.
Is this true? A presidential campaign is asking a news network to DO something, NOW that it affects them?... Or: Is this another version of race-gate that we had last month? (which in my minds eye was one great big publicity stunt.)

I have to question why ALL of a sudden the Clinton campaign is concerned about sexism on the airwaves. Why now suddenly, when it affects her 27 year old daughter who they STILL have off limits to reporters?

Where was Hillary when Ann Coulter attacked Elizabeth Edwards? OR John Edwards? OR Al Gore? OR HER??? The Hillary Bashing on a certain *nooz* network is legendary and well documented.

MSNBC has it's own problems as well. Tweety and Morning Joe and Tucker... those are well documented as well. I won't deny that. I am not excusing David Schuster for his words, and I am glad that MSNBC took action, but for the Clinton Campaign to interject themselves like this into the situation is unacceptable to me.

It's intimidation. I for one am tired of it. We have had 7 years of media intimidation. In this day and age we Americans NEED something different...

We already have an administration that threatened and pressured the media into telling a story the way they wanted it told. Remember the pressure Scooter Libby and the VP's office placed on MSNBC to get Chris Matthews to shut up about Plame-gate? Slate Magazine mentioned just a touch of this back in November 2005.

What the Clinton campaign is doing by threatening to not debate on this channel is a little too similar to me. This concerns me. It's not the race, it's not the sexism, it's hypocrisy of the Clinton campaign. Never before has a comment made this campaign threaten to pull out of a debate. Actually she agreed to go on a Fox News Channel debate!

In all the hubbub this is the key to all of this. It was sexist. Schuster got suspended. Matthews didn't. Scarborough hasn't and both have said far worse directly aimed at AND about Senator Clinton. David didn't say anything about Chelsea, his comment was about how the campaign was using Chelsea. Was it in bad form? IMO, YES. I am not excusing it. But Chelsea is 27 years old. Either she is in the Clinton machine or she is out. She still won't grant interviews and the Clinton's are still treating her like she is a child. She is no longer a child. She still hasn't given a comment to this issue. She should be able to fight her own battles at this age. Either she is in the political game, or she isn't, but her Mom and Dad cannot keep protecting her.

As to the debate issue, this is ridiculous. lf ever there were a clear cut case of serious oversensitivity with the Clinton camp this is it. This actually makes them look weak, the way bullies look weak.

I mean, come on, the Clinton's both are touting the fact that they are very good friends with John McCain, when it was McCain who said that Chelsea was so 'ugly becuase she was actually the daughter of Janet Reno'... or did everyone forget that little bit if nastiness? Is Senator Clinton going to refuse a debate with Senator McCain if she gets the nomination?

It just seems like the Clintons are using this whole thing to exercise some kind of power they want to have over the media. If a Democratic Candidate agrees to go on Faux news for a debate... with all of the crap they pull... and instead threatens another network with a no-show over something that was stupid, but not part of a pattern of maliciousness, by one reporter, then I have to question motives, and the only thing I see is that this is a power play for the media.

Or... like race-gate in January, perhaps it's just another case of it's not the Clintons' fault. Both scenarios make me very uneasy. Then last night I stumbled across this video of a Clinton rally
A dissenter wearing a "Not Another Clinton" Shirt was threatened with arrest. The cumulative affect of all this *stuff*, from dissenters, to the media, to Bill yelling at reporters, all of it coming from the Clinton campaign gives me a rather Bushian feeling. I don't want anymore of this Media-crisy from the government. Maybe I am just shell shocked from the last 7 years, but I am tired of this behavour and this attitude from those that want our votes.

Anyway, it is monday... I hope to see you inside, we we have nationalized continental breakfast!

:peace: and :heart:
Raine

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Comment by BobR on 02/11/2008 13:37:02
morning, folks... :coffee:

Comment by m-hadley on 02/11/2008 13:55:22
Mornin' everybody,

I am sharing this piece that I received from some friends(?) who are rabid Hillary supporters. It didn't sit well with me at the time, but Raine has articulated much better than I could the reason why we should all question this Shrillary "Cryin' wolf" schtick...

The Media Matters story was prefaced with these words, "The story below "isn't about Hillary Clinton's campaign. This is about a consistent pattern of misogynistic comments by Chris Matthews. Comments about and directed toward a variety of women. A consistent pattern of Matthews objectifying women. And a consistent pattern of MSNBC looking the other way." Sadly, Keith Olbermann was doing it too the other night. . . ."

I am not fan of Tweety, but I do think that Clintons are protesting a skosh too much, just MHO... Hope everybody has a good day ;)



Comment by Raine on 02/11/2008 14:00:59
Bush orders clampdown on flight into the United States...



HEre is the kicker from the article found in the guardian:
Washington is also asking European airlines to provide personal data on non-travellers - for example family members - who are allowed beyond departure barriers to help elderly, young or ill passengers to board aircraft flying to America, a demand the airlines reject as "absurd".


Comment by TriSec on 02/11/2008 14:01:00
Hillary is a politician. That means she's interested in only one thing; raising money. And anything and everything she can use to do it, including any and all Rovian tactics, is fair game.





Somewhere, I can see Darth Cheney hiding in a corner, hissing at her, "You have done well, my young apprentice...."

Comment by Raine on 02/11/2008 14:03:55
Quote by m-hadley: Mornin' everybody,

I am sharing this piece that I received from some friends(?) who are rabid Hillary supporters. It didn't sit well with me at the time, but Raine has articulated much better than I could the reason why we should all question this Shrillary "Cryin' wolf" schtick...

The Media Matters story was prefaced with these words, "The story below "isn't about Hillary Clinton's campaign. This is about a consistent pattern of misogynistic comments by Chris Matthews. Comments about and directed toward a variety of women. A consistent pattern of Matthews objectifying women. And a consistent pattern of MSNBC looking the other way." Sadly, Keith Olbermann was doing it too the other night. . . ."

I am not fan of Tweety, but I do think that Clintons are protesting a skosh too much, just MHO... Hope everybody has a good day ;)

Good Morning Faye!



I kinda know that this post won't be very popular with some peopel this morning. I almost posted a disclaimer on it... but then I thought, hey it is just one of many observations about this debacle.







Comment by TriSec on 02/11/2008 14:09:44
Say, has anyone else noticed the latest round of "Dish" ads on the teevee machine?



Is that our own Mr. James Ward doing the Bush impression about "recordifying with the Dish-Divr?"





Comment by Raine on 02/11/2008 14:11:21
awww, the little mini voice monkey...

Comment by Raine on 02/11/2008 14:12:55
....oooOOOOOooo....




Mala, that means you vote tomorrow right? It is mini super tuesday™, you know.

Comment by Raine on 02/11/2008 14:16:46
I dunno about the rumour of the Samoans.... I present to you ... The Naked Samoans...



http://image.guardian.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/gallery/2002/08/09/samoans1.jpg










All about the naked Samoans... And they look pretty svelt to me.

Comment by velveeta jones on 02/11/2008 14:17:35
Quote by TriSec: Say, has anyone else noticed the latest round of "Dish" ads on the teevee machine?



Is that our own Mr. James Ward doing the Bush impression about "recordifying with the Dish-Divr?"





Morning ya'll.



Tri, that's Frank Caliando (sp)doing the impression. I think Jim does a better "george" than him.



I've been up all night and won't be around til much later. We have a HUGE brush fire last night, evacuations, setting up shelters, feeding fire fighters............the usual. Fire is still raging. But I'm off to get some sleep.



Have a great day. Dammit, I'll miss Steph!!



Comment by Raine on 02/11/2008 14:20:13
:hug: to our Velveeta Jones...

Comment by Raine on 02/11/2008 14:24:42
:banana: Flashlight!

Comment by TriSec on 02/11/2008 14:24:55
The Air Wing sends some help to Velveeta:



http://www-personal.umich.edu/~bgoodsel/post911/waterbomber.jpg


Comment by Raine on 02/11/2008 14:28:22
The show is talking about the same topic as the blog now!

Comment by Raine on 02/11/2008 14:29:09
:clown: Woooo!

Comment by Raine on 02/11/2008 14:36:09
:rofl: ::::Joe biden::: "that's old."

Comment by Raine on 02/11/2008 14:36:44
:bow: to caller.

Comment by Raine on 02/11/2008 14:37:36
Does anyone remebr whenTucker said that hillary lookd uptite and that he would be willing to release some of her stress?





Comment by m-hadley on 02/11/2008 14:37:48
Quote by Raine: I dunno about the rumour of the Samoans.... I present to you ... The Naked Samoans...



http://image.guardian.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/gallery/2002/08/09/samoans1.jpg










All about the naked Samoans... And they look pretty svelt to me.




Ha cha cha cha



Comment by BobR on 02/11/2008 14:38:49
Quote by velveeta jones:

Morning ya'll.



Tri, that's Frank Caliando (sp)doing the impression. I think Jim does a better "george" than him.



Frank Caliendo does the audio AND the visual, so I'll cut him some slack on the audio...

Comment by m-hadley on 02/11/2008 14:40:35
Quote by velveeta jones:
Quote by TriSec: Say, has anyone else noticed the latest round of "Dish" ads on the teevee machine?



Is that our own Mr. James Ward doing the Bush impression about "recordifying with the Dish-Divr?"





Morning ya'll.



Tri, that's Frank Caliando (sp)doing the impression. I think Jim does a better "george" than him.



I've been up all night and won't be around til much later. We have a HUGE brush fire last night, evacuations, setting up shelters, feeding fire fighters............the usual. Fire is still raging. But I'm off to get some sleep.



Have a great day. Dammit, I'll miss Steph!!







Damn Velveeta,

Where do you live? I'm sending you some very wet thoughts - not in a dirty way ;)

Hang in there...

mfaye

Comment by Raine on 02/11/2008 14:40:39
"And then there's MSNBC host Tucker Carlson, who has described Hillary Clinton as "whining" and suggested the reason there are so few women in Congress is that "most women are so sensible, they don't want to get involved in something as stupid as politics" and said of Clinton, "then she comes on television, I involuntarily cross my legs," and described her as "castrating, overbearing, and scary." (MSNBC can't say they didn't know what they were getting when they hired Carlson; before joining the cable channel, he said women "want to be spanked vigorously every once in a while" and told Elle magazine that Clinton is his "guilty fantasy," explaining: "Every time I see her I think I could, you know, help. ... She seems tense.")






From the media matters link, that Faye gave us.

where was hillary on that comment?

Comment by BobR on 02/11/2008 14:41:26
Jeez, it doesn't get much worse than this: Bride dies at wedding during 1st dance

Comment by TriSec on 02/11/2008 14:41:35
Quote by Raine: The show is talking about the same topic as the blog now!




Well, I always think my work is finished if Dr. Maddow talks about one of the same things I've managed to blog or post during the day...





Comment by Raine on 02/11/2008 14:49:41
This is the problem... Hillary and her campaign are intimidating the media.

Comment by Raine on 02/11/2008 14:50:35
People are NOT ALLOWED to ask her (chelsea) anything.

Comment by BobR on 02/11/2008 14:55:40
Raine coming up next on the Momma show!!

Comment by Raine on 02/11/2008 14:56:08
Whew.

Comment by livingonli on 02/11/2008 14:56:22
RAINE!!!

Comment by Raine on 02/11/2008 14:59:31
:( That is sad. Tom Lantos was the only member of congress that was a holocaust survivor.

Comment by shelaghc on 02/11/2008 15:00:26
'gmornin' all.



I'm now in a quiet zone - no streaming until/unless I feel like the guy I'm working for would be cool with it.



Since he tends to leave his door open and my desk is barely three feet from his door, I have a feeling that ain't happenin' anytime soon.



::::le sigh:::::

Comment by Raine on 02/11/2008 15:02:33
regarding my call, I am more than sure that I pissed of EVERY clinton supporter out there, but it really bothers me how this entier issue is getting so conflated.



The Clintons cannot always put themselves out there as victims.

Comment by Raine on 02/11/2008 15:02:53
Good morning Shelagh!

Comment by wickedpam on 02/11/2008 15:03:25
Morning! :hug:



Dang! I missed Raine on the radio-machine!





DC Question - what were the dates we settled on?

Comment by wickedpam on 02/11/2008 15:04:54
Holy crap! Chief Broadie died! I named my 24 hour dog after him

Comment by livingonli on 02/11/2008 15:05:04
BTW, good morning everyone.



It's a cold one in the northeast. I wish I could stay in bed.

Comment by m-hadley on 02/11/2008 15:07:30
Quote by livingonli: RAINE!!!


Damn,

Thank god for the StephCast - I missed Raine, too ;)

Did you give 'em hell grrrl???

mfaye

Comment by Raine on 02/11/2008 15:09:31
I dunno IF I gave anyone hell, I just wanted to point out how last month the Clintons claimed that they were the victims of the media during Race gate and this month it is Schuster gate... and that I think that they are intimidating the media.







Comment by shelaghc on 02/11/2008 15:10:28
Quote by m-hadley:
Quote by livingonli: RAINE!!!


Damn,

Thank god for the StephCast - I missed Raine, too ;)

Did you give 'em hell grrrl???

mfaye




I may have to start subscribing too. Thing is, there are only so many hours in the day to listen to shows, you know? And my entire commute to and from isn't long enough to listen to even half of the show - even if I could dl it from work.



Comment by Raine on 02/11/2008 15:13:06
Quote by wickedpam: Morning! :hug:



Dang! I missed Raine on the radio-machine!





DC Question - what were the dates we settled on?
Mala, At this point I really have no idea... :(



Comment by livingonli on 02/11/2008 15:14:13
That's what happens when Jim forgets his cup.

Comment by wickedpam on 02/11/2008 15:15:16
Quote by Raine:
Quote by wickedpam: Morning! :hug:



Dang! I missed Raine on the radio-machine!





DC Question - what were the dates we settled on?
Mala, At this point I really have no idea... :(





Maybe it should be a poll question

Comment by livingonli on 02/11/2008 15:18:50
Quote by Raine:
Quote by wickedpam: Morning! :hug:



Dang! I missed Raine on the radio-machine!





DC Question - what were the dates we settled on?
Mala, At this point I really have no idea... :(



That we do. If we can settle it so I can make a vacation request.

Comment by Raine on 02/11/2008 15:21:24
Not a bad idea Mala...



I did however find out that my dad is coming the beginning of May, So may is now out for me...

Comment by BobR on 02/11/2008 15:21:44
Quote by wickedpam:



Maybe it should be a poll question


Great idea!



Done - please vote!

Comment by livingonli on 02/11/2008 15:25:23
Voted!

Comment by Raine on 02/11/2008 15:25:50
I don't think that Chris ever said that he agreed with what david Schuster said...

Comment by Raine on 02/11/2008 15:27:48
Colin Powell is looking for a cabinet post...