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Super Committee Fail -- HUH?
Author: Raine    Date: 11/21/2011 15:54:19

I'm sure by now you have heard of the so called "super committee" -- the Debt Panel set up earlier in the year after the horrible debt ceiling debate over the summer. It was the result of the Budget Control Act of 2011. We, as a nation saw our debt ceiling increased -- in return for more deficit reduction plans. The result? The 'Super Committee"

For a little background:
Under the deal President Obama signed on Tuesday, the top four Republican and Democratic leaders in Congress will each appoint three members to a special committee that must recommend by November 23 at least $1.5 trillion in additional deficit reduction through 2021. If a majority of committee members endorse a proposal, that plan is guaranteed a floor vote in both chambers by December 23 without amendment or Senate filibuster.

Those rules provide this group with vastly more leverage to stabilize the nation’s finances than any previous commission has possessed. The procedures effectively preempt a minority veto—either through the Senate filibuster or the informal House rule that legislation reaches the floor only if a “majority of the majority” party supports it. Because a majority proposal from the committee could be passed with any combination of Republican and Democratic votes, it provides a unique opportunity for the center of both parties to impose a balanced solution on the ideological vanguard of left and right.
Now, I am going to ask for your reading patience here today.

You will recall that a failure for the super committee to come to a (simple) majority consensus would cause a trigger.
* Crucially, Obama will vow to veto any entitlement cuts if revenue increases are not part of the solution.

That last one is key — a veto threat is a line the White House was unwilling to draw during the fall of 2010, when the battle over extending the Bush tax cuts was in full swing.
You will recall that in lieu of this trigger the President offered his own ideas to cut the deficit. From Think Progress:
What’s in it?

Well, $1.5 trillion of it is higher taxes. About half of that is the expiration of the “rich people only” portion of the Bush tax cuts. The rest comes from closing loopholes and for the proposed new millionaire’s minimum tax so that high-income individuals won’t be paying lower marginal rates than the middle class.

Then you have about $1 trillion in war savings as the fighting winds down in Iraq and Afghanistan.

Last, you have the domestic spending element. That includes changes worth $248 billion to Medicare and $72 billion to Medicaid which the administration is promising fall on providers rather than patients and don’t involve any deep changes to the basic nature of the programs... There are also some other domestic spending cuts, worth about $200 billion...

the “other” cuts, which are as follows:
— $33 billion from agriculture subsidies.
— $42.5 billion from Federal employee retirement benefits, on both the civilian and military side.
— $4.1 billion from the disposal of unused government assets.
— $92.2 billion from restructuring government operations and reducing government liabilities.
— $77.6 billion from improving Federal program management and reducing waste and abuse.
Today is November 21. The Debt Panel was supposed to make a recommendation by the 23rd. Keep in mind that any recommendation must go to the Congressional Budget office for review.
The Budget Control Act increased the debt ceiling by $400 billion in August 2011. Concurrently, it requires the federal government to make $917 billion in spending cuts over a ten-year period as a first installment, in keeping with estimates from the Congressional Budget Office that assume that the current laws will stay the same, including the expiration of the Bush tax cuts from 2001 and 2003 that were extended for two years in 2010. Under the plan, government revenues are projected to rise after 2012.
That is unlikely to happen if they do not come up with something today. At that point, the CBO gets a day and if everything is perfect, we could meet the deadline. It's not looking very likely. Almost 4 months later, there is no agreement. So what is the fallout from a super committee failure? Well, according to this Reuters analysis, financially, not too bad. Most of it seems political.
* Increased investor uncertainty. Investors already have little confidence Republicans and Democrats can bridge a yawning ideological divide over tax policy and who should shoulder the burden for reducing deficits. The U.S. Congress has had trouble passing even routine legislation this year, leading to repeated disruptions of government services.

* The committee's failure is unlikely to trigger another downgrade of the U.S. credit rating. Rating agencies have said they will look at a range of factors in making any decision but that the committee's washout will not be decisive.

* Republicans are already making noises about altering the $1.2 trillion in automatic spending cuts, or sequesters, that are due to kick in 2013 as a result of the super committee's failure. They want to soften the planned $600 billion defense cuts. If Congress starts tinkering with the sequesters, however, financial markets could become unnerved by the unraveling of savings seen as already "in the bank." Again, the 2012 elections could determine the fate of these cuts.

* Democrats and Republicans will try to use the super committee's dead end for political gain. Democrats will say the outcome is further evidence Republicans just want to protect the rich from sharing the burden of deficit reduction. Republicans will argue that, once again, Democrats fail to grasp the gravity of escalating costs of healthcare benefits.

* The White House had been bracing for days for the committee's failure and believes President Barack Obama can weather it without major political fallout and may even be able to score points against Republicans as he seeks re-election.
So yes, that means the Republicans (Via Ron Paul) will try to remove the "trigger"
If the committee charged with reducing the federal deficit fails to put forward a viable plan, Rep. Ron Paul says Congress won't allow the resulting automatic budget cuts to proceed.

The reason? The cuts threaten the military budget.

"The sentiment is very strong, both right and left," he said this morning at an event sponsored by the libertarian Cato Institute. "They're obsessed with militarism; they're obsessed with more wars; they're obsessed with our foreign policy."
I thought this was about reducing spending and cutting the deficit? I could be wrong here, but it appears the trigger is the following:
If the committee fails to agree on a package or the full Congress fails to pass it, a so-called "trigger mechanism" would enact $1.2 trillion in automatic spending cuts to serve as the second installment of deficit reduction measures.These cuts would be split between the national security and domestic arenas, but the biggest entitlement programs would be excluded from these automatic cuts.
Go back and look at what the trigger is. It's actually pretty much what the President wanted all along. He is willing to make cuts all over the place. The GOP is balking at cutting defense spending (and of course -- raising taxes for the rich)

Interesting. Maybe this was all smoke and mirrors all along. Sorry for all the wonk, today.

And as an added bonus, let me make this all as clear and concise as Greg Sargent does from his column in WaPo: No, `both sides’ aren’t equally to blame for supercommittee failure
And so: Any news outlet that doesn’t leave readers and viewers with an absolutely clear sense that the primary sticking point was over whether the rich should see their contribution to deficit reduction increase or decrease is letting down its customers.
We don't have customers here at our blog -- that said, I hope I have not let our readers down.

and
Raine
 

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Comment by wickedpam on 11/21/2011 14:09:27
Morning

Comment by Mondobubba on 11/21/2011 14:21:46
Morning mon peeps. I am here with a bright shining face

Comment by TriSec on 11/21/2011 14:30:30
Bipartisan alert:

We were discussing the Stop Online Piracy Act on East Coast Conservatives last night....we all agreed that this is a very bad idea.

Any thoughts on this side of the aisle?



Comment by BobR on 11/21/2011 14:46:25
Quote by Mondobubba:
Morning mon peeps. I am here with a bright shining face

Did you simonize?

Comment by wickedpam on 11/21/2011 14:57:30
say that Norquist piece on 60 minutes - Mom said that's the first time she's heard about this pledge even though I've mentioned it before :eyeroll:

Story did nothing by piss me off. He puts himself above the Constitution, smells treasony to me

Comment by BobR on 11/21/2011 14:58:54
to the bloggenistas - Raine is still working on the blog for today.

Report over...

Comment by wickedpam on 11/21/2011 15:29:07
I think Steph is thinking of a Automat maybe?

Comment by wickedpam on 11/21/2011 15:35:03
No! Grover is NOT the most annoying Sesame character! I love Super Grover!

Comment by Mondobubba on 11/21/2011 15:38:31
Quote by BobR:
Quote by Mondobubba:
Morning mon peeps. I am here with a bright shining face

Did you simonize?


Nope, I am just in a good mood today.

Comment by Mondobubba on 11/21/2011 15:39:12
Quote by TriSec:
Bipartisan alert:

We were discussing the Stop Online Piracy Act on East Coast Conservatives last night....we all agreed that this is a very bad idea.

Any thoughts on this side of the aisle?




Yes. Bad Idea.

Comment by Mondobubba on 11/21/2011 15:40:26
This is such a greater DC metro area street name!

Spunky Heart Place. I kid you not.

Comment by wickedpam on 11/21/2011 15:42:45
Quote by Mondobubba:
This is such a greater DC metro area street name!

Spunky Heart Place. I kid you not.



where's that at?

Comment by Mondobubba on 11/21/2011 15:44:37
Quote by wickedpam:
Quote by Mondobubba:
This is such a greater DC metro area street name!

Spunky Heart Place. I kid you not.



where's that at?



In MD. There is a Peep Toad Court in Fairfax.

Comment by wickedpam on 11/21/2011 15:46:20
Quote by Mondobubba:
Quote by wickedpam:
Quote by Mondobubba:
This is such a greater DC metro area street name!

Spunky Heart Place. I kid you not.



where's that at?



In MD. There is a Peep Toad Court in Fairfax.



where do they come up with these names? Heck, I lived on a 7th Regiment Dr but that was civil war related

Comment by TriSec on 11/21/2011 15:54:14
Quote by wickedpam:
No! Grover is NOT the most annoying Sesame character! I love Super Grover!


Not listening....somebody hating on my old buddy Grover? Them's fightin' words!




Comment by wickedpam on 11/21/2011 15:59:28
Quote by TriSec:
Quote by wickedpam:
No! Grover is NOT the most annoying Sesame character! I love Super Grover!


Not listening....somebody hating on my old buddy Grover? Them's fightin' words!





the "chat room" supposedly that Grover was the most annoying muppet - I see that title is held by Elmo.

Comment by Scoopster on 11/21/2011 16:02:23
Mornin' all..

Just think about this.. by the end of the day, the work week will be half over!

Comment by Raine on 11/21/2011 16:09:29
Quote by Mondobubba:
Quote by BobR:
Quote by Mondobubba:
Morning mon peeps. I am here with a bright shining face

Did you simonize?


Nope, I am just in a good mood today.


This makes me very happy to read!



Comment by Scoopster on 11/21/2011 16:10:09
This shit make me



Comment by Raine on 11/21/2011 16:13:09
I know it took forever, but the blog is now up.

Lotta researching today!

Comment by wickedpam on 11/21/2011 16:17:24
Hey Bob - that person never got back to me on the bench

Comment by trojanrabbit on 11/21/2011 16:24:42
Quote by Scoopster:
Mornin' all..

Just think about this.. by the end of the day, the work week will be half over!


Really? Only a third over here.

Oh, and major props to the UCD students who gave Chancellor Katehi the Silent Treatment as she walked to her car. The silence was deafening.

Comment by Raine on 11/21/2011 16:27:29
I'm not a huge fan of Frosty.

Comment by wickedpam on 11/21/2011 16:27:47
Quote by trojanrabbit:
Quote by Scoopster:
Mornin' all..

Just think about this.. by the end of the day, the work week will be half over!


Really? Only a third over here.

Oh, and major props to the UCD students who gave Chancellor Katehi the Silent Treatment as she walked to her car. The silence was deafening.



Try on 1/4 over for me - I have to work Friday ;/

Comment by wickedpam on 11/21/2011 16:28:22
Quote by Raine:
I'm not a huge fan of Frosty.


He was okay - I liked the Year Without a Santa Claus best


Comment by wickedpam on 11/21/2011 16:29:56
I can't even get kids to pick up the litter in the neighborhood they are not going to mop up vomit

Comment by Raine on 11/21/2011 16:30:50
Quote by wickedpam:
Quote by Raine:
I'm not a huge fan of Frosty.


He was okay - I liked the Year Without a Santa Claus best
That and Santa Clause is comin' to town are my faves. It's a tie for me.


Comment by Raine on 11/21/2011 16:31:41
Quote by wickedpam:
I can't even get kids to pick up the litter in the neighborhood they are not going to mop up vomit
Someone should ask Newt about that!


Comment by TriSec on 11/21/2011 16:31:51
Quote by Raine:
I'm not a huge fan of Frosty.


Bah. Where's my flamethrower?

Bring on Charlie Brown!





Comment by Raine on 11/21/2011 16:35:11
So, did I get anything wrong in the blog today?



Comment by Raine on 11/21/2011 16:35:55
Actually, the Dow is down 300 points right now, looks like the Reuters analysis was correct.

Comment by trojanrabbit on 11/21/2011 16:38:48
Quote by Raine:
I'm not a huge fan of Frosty.


Major reason I like Frosty is that I like Paul Coker Jr.'s work.

Comment by Raine on 11/21/2011 16:40:41
This, Love this:

And I actually wish I had gotten this point across today.

Comment by Mondobubba on 11/21/2011 16:44:16
Quote by wickedpam:
Quote by Mondobubba:
Quote by wickedpam:
Quote by Mondobubba:
This is such a greater DC metro area street name!

Spunky Heart Place. I kid you not.



where's that at?



In MD. There is a Peep Toad Court in Fairfax.



where do they come up with these names? Heck, I lived on a 7th Regiment Dr but that was civil war related


The developer gets to pick em. I used to know woman who's father was a developer there is a street somewhere in Fairfax named for her. As long as the street names don't sound confusing to emergency services and are obsence, they have lots of leway.

Comment by TriSec on 11/21/2011 16:47:35
So, I'm guessing Buttcrack Boulevard is out?



Comment by TriSec on 11/21/2011 16:53:29
Great. I've got freakin' Paul McCartney stuck in my head before Black Friday? (and the music at the store isn't even on - speakers are emitting a buzz at the frequency that makes men turn on each other, so we shut it off.)

< Ingests cyanide, shoots self in head >



Comment by Raine on 11/21/2011 17:01:37
Remember simpson bowles? well the GOP was even worse. I am SO not blaming the Dems for ANY of the fail on this committee. as a matter of fact, I am really glad they seem to be standing their ground. From the NYT:

Republicans on the deficit-reduction supercommittee have offered a deal with 24 cents of every dollar in savings coming from tax increases, and the other 76 cents from spending cuts. That’s less from taxes than recommended by the leaders of last year’s blue ribbon panel on deficit reduction, which proposed 30 cents and 70 cents.

The latest proposal, even if agreed to by the committee, might have trouble surviving the full Republican caucus. Nearly every Republican in Congress has signed a pledge never to raise taxes, regardless of how much red ink is on the country’s balance sheet.


Comment by livingonli on 11/21/2011 17:04:15
Good morning everyone. For our DC contingent, I don't know if you heard but when CBS turns 99.1 to all-news it will be taking the WNEW call letters which had been sitting the Palm Beach since 102.7 here dropped the calls after the failed FM talk experiment when the station flipped to what was then an entertainment-news focused hot AC.

Comment by wickedpam on 11/21/2011 17:06:16
Quote by livingonli:
Good morning everyone. For our DC contingent, I don't know if you heard but when CBS turns 99.1 to all-news it will be taking the WNEW call letters which had been sitting the Palm Beach since 102.7 here dropped the calls after the failed FM talk experiment when the station flipped to what was then an entertainment-news focused hot AC.



just what we need ANOTHER news station

Comment by Scoopster on 11/21/2011 17:07:41
Comment by BobR on 11/21/2011 17:13:18
Quote by wickedpam:
Hey Bob - that person never got back to me on the bench

ok - thanks for trying!

Comment by Raine on 11/21/2011 17:13:26
Quote by wickedpam:
Quote by livingonli:
Good morning everyone. For our DC contingent, I don't know if you heard but when CBS turns 99.1 to all-news it will be taking the WNEW call letters which had been sitting the Palm Beach since 102.7 here dropped the calls after the failed FM talk experiment when the station flipped to what was then an entertainment-news focused hot AC.



just what we need ANOTHER news station
Not gonna win this news geek over, I can tell you that already.

I'd really like some progressive talk here. Hell, I would like to live in ONE damn town with a prog radio station!!






Comment by BobR on 11/21/2011 17:14:16
Quote by Raine:
Quote by wickedpam:
Quote by Raine:
I'm not a huge fan of Frosty.


He was okay - I liked the Year Without a Santa Claus best
That and Santa Clause is comin' to town are my faves. It's a tie for me.

Always has been Peanuts, and always will be.

Comment by livingonli on 11/21/2011 17:15:00
Quote by wickedpam:
Quote by livingonli:
Good morning everyone. For our DC contingent, I don't know if you heard but when CBS turns 99.1 to all-news it will be taking the WNEW call letters which had been sitting the Palm Beach since 102.7 here dropped the calls after the failed FM talk experiment when the station flipped to what was then an entertainment-news focused hot AC.



just what we need ANOTHER news station

There are rumors that CBS may strip WTOP of its CBS News affiliation once this occurs. Then again I remember when 99.1 was the old alternative rock station which had some history going back to its free-form day (just like WNEW was free-form in the late 60's and through the 70's)

Comment by Raine on 11/21/2011 17:17:43
Have you seen these?

http://www.washingtonpost.com/rf/image_606w/WashingtonPost/Content/Blogs/arts-post/201111/Images/pepper-spray-cop4.jpg?uuid=0425jhRBEeGQSB9TUhh-7Q


http://www.washingtonpost.com/rf/image_606w/WashingtonPost/Content/Blogs/arts-post/201111/Images/pepper-spray-cop9.jpg?uuid=0_xhwhRBEeGQSB9TUhh-7Q


http://www.washingtonpost.com/rf/image_606w/WashingtonPost/Content/Blogs/arts-post/201111/Images/pepper-spray-cop3.jpg?uuid=03QMUBRBEeGQSB9TUhh-7Q


I think I may photoshop....

Comment by wickedpam on 11/21/2011 17:19:06
Quote by Raine:
Quote by wickedpam:
Quote by livingonli:
Good morning everyone. For our DC contingent, I don't know if you heard but when CBS turns 99.1 to all-news it will be taking the WNEW call letters which had been sitting the Palm Beach since 102.7 here dropped the calls after the failed FM talk experiment when the station flipped to what was then an entertainment-news focused hot AC.



just what we need ANOTHER news station
Not gonna win this news geek over, I can tell you that already.

I'd really like some progressive talk here. Hell, I would like to live in ONE damn town with a prog radio station!!







trust me I'd love Prog talk here too - once I'm away from my computer I can't really listen except through my phone

Comment by wickedpam on 11/21/2011 17:25:36
Raine - try that with a Rockwell or maybe American Gothic - those are rather iconic

Comment by wickedpam on 11/21/2011 17:28:04
Thom wants us to go back to Blue laws - ew, I hated blue laws

Comment by Scoopster on 11/21/2011 17:31:06
Here's another one I saw earlier, Raine/Pam:

http://a6.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/384460_293358230698048_100000716204885_991891_2870475_n.jpg


Comment by Scoopster on 11/21/2011 17:32:16