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Dr. King and the Power of If
Author: Raine
Date: 01/16/2012 14:15:02
“The Drum Major Instinct" Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr -
This is the full context of a quote that has indeed become controversial at the MLK Memorial in Washington DC. On the statue (a centerpiece of the memorial) this is what has been inscribed:
By reading the two quotes side by side one can conclude that these are two very different and distinct meanings. The problem is that the latter is not a quote from Dr. King. Over the weekend, Interior Secretary Ken Salazar said the quote will be corrected. I, for one, am pleased. As a September 1 Washington Post editorial points out,
The words on the monument, edited not by a historian but by an architect concerned about space, are a ham-handed truncation of what Dr. King said, turning a conditional statement into a boast. The sermon is complex and open to interpretation, but one thing is clear: Dr. King does not claim to be a drum major for anything. The whole speech, in fact, is about the evils of self-promotion.
“The Drum-Major Instinct,” which Dr. King delivered on Feb. 4, 1968, is about the folly of wanting to feel important, of seeking recognition and praise. That is a basic human impulse, he said, but it is dangerous and can lead to many social ills, including bigotry: “A lot of the race problem grows out of the drum major instinct, a need that some people have to feel that they are first and feel that their white skin ordained them to be first.”
“The quote makes Dr. Martin Luther King look like an arrogant twit,” Angelou, 83, said Tuesday. “He was anything but that. He was far too profound a man for that four-letter word to apply.
“He had no arrogance at all,” she said. “He had a humility that comes from deep inside. The ‘if’ clause that is left out is salient. Leaving it out changes the meaning completely.”
The paraphrase “minimizes the man,” she said. “It makes him seem less than the humanitarian he was. . . . It makes him seem an egotist.”
“I do not think it’s an accurate portrayal of what Dr. King was,” Salazar told us Friday.
How sweet, then, that King can still be giving to us on his 83rd birthday, though he lived for only 39 of them. He can give us this story of many different Americans using their tools at hand — celebrity, media, commerce, satire, academia — to ask their government to right a wrong.
And King, a lover of words and a profound symbol to all of us, demanded action. Because of him, at least this time, the system worked.
and 
Raine
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Comment by 
wickedpam on 01/16/2012 14:19:06
wickedpam on 01/16/2012 14:19:06
Morning 
Comment by 
livingonli on 01/16/2012 14:26:10
livingonli on 01/16/2012 14:26:10
Good morning everyone. Had to get up early today since I have to be at work early today to do a Knicks game since they have their MLK day game at 1 PM against Orlando (and they used to always play the Bulls on MLK day).
Comment by 
Raine on 01/16/2012 14:29:01
Raine on 01/16/2012 14:29:01
Sorry for the Delay-- I was trying to find just the right words this morning! 
Comment by 
TriSec on 01/16/2012 14:30:51
TriSec on 01/16/2012 14:30:51
Morning, comrades!
I was going to be all snarky about the sideways cruise in Italy this weekend…but there are still people missing, so I won’t. But speaking of Justice, the BBC is reporting something extraordinary about the accident. Much of the crew of the ship was Filipino and Indian; one member of the crew reported that most of them were paid in cash while aboard. Of course, all of their pay is now at the bottom of the sea.
I don’t know that this is a normal practice for cruise ship crewmembers…but it does suggest to me that they were being paid off the books, probably underpaid, and of course their pay stopped the instant the ship sank.
A hundred years ago, the Titanic went down…White Star announced they would pay the crew for the voyage, but pay stubs still exist (or at least photos of them) showing White Star only paying for the 4 days of the trip the ship was afloat; the crew stopped earning their pay the moment the ship went under. It wound up doing more harm than good, public-relations wise.
This disaster bears further watching; I think an awful lot more dirt will be coming out about this as the investigation progresses.
I was going to be all snarky about the sideways cruise in Italy this weekend…but there are still people missing, so I won’t. But speaking of Justice, the BBC is reporting something extraordinary about the accident. Much of the crew of the ship was Filipino and Indian; one member of the crew reported that most of them were paid in cash while aboard. Of course, all of their pay is now at the bottom of the sea.
I don’t know that this is a normal practice for cruise ship crewmembers…but it does suggest to me that they were being paid off the books, probably underpaid, and of course their pay stopped the instant the ship sank.
A hundred years ago, the Titanic went down…White Star announced they would pay the crew for the voyage, but pay stubs still exist (or at least photos of them) showing White Star only paying for the 4 days of the trip the ship was afloat; the crew stopped earning their pay the moment the ship went under. It wound up doing more harm than good, public-relations wise.
This disaster bears further watching; I think an awful lot more dirt will be coming out about this as the investigation progresses.
Comment by 
Mondobubba on 01/16/2012 14:43:08
Hapa covering U2's Pride (In the name of Love) Pay careful attention to the chanting
Mondobubba on 01/16/2012 14:43:08
Hapa covering U2's Pride (In the name of Love) Pay careful attention to the chanting
Comment by livingonli on 01/16/2012 15:03:05
livingonli on 01/16/2012 15:03:05
We Act Radio is playing the Wild Thing at the top of the hour from the Steph stream.
Comment by 
Scoopster on 01/16/2012 15:17:50
Scoopster on 01/16/2012 15:17:50
Mornin' all.. 
Comment by Scoopster on 01/16/2012 15:25:38
Scoopster on 01/16/2012 15:25:38
Comment by Mondobubba on 01/16/2012 15:34:15
Mondobubba on 01/16/2012 15:34:15
So, how about that Thebault (correct spelling of "Tebow" cause it's French)?
Comment by TriSec on 01/16/2012 15:35:59
TriSec on 01/16/2012 15:35:59
Mr. Tebow was gracious in defeat (at least it was reported in the Globe.) That rather speaks volumes; he could have been a dick about it.
Grudging respect? Not yet. But some potential.
Grudging respect? Not yet. But some potential.
Comment by 
BobR on 01/16/2012 15:41:38
The French spelling would require the accent on the second syllable
BobR on 01/16/2012 15:41:38
Quote by Mondobubba:
So, how about that Thebault (correct spelling of "Tebow" cause it's French)?
The French spelling would require the accent on the second syllable
Comment by BobR on 01/16/2012 15:42:15
Justice Department - start your lawyers! *vroom*
BobR on 01/16/2012 15:42:15
Justice Department - start your lawyers! *vroom*
Comment by Raine on 01/16/2012 15:43:24
I think this article is a fair assessment.
Gracious? One could argue that... however...
It appears to me that he's using his opportunity to play football to further his evangelicalism I think. Read the article, and tell me what you think.
Raine on 01/16/2012 15:43:24
Quote by TriSec:
Mr. Tebow was gracious in defeat (at least it was reported in the Globe.) That rather speaks volumes; he could have been a dick about it.
Grudging respect? Not yet. But some potential.
Gracious? One could argue that... however...
It appears to me that he's using his opportunity to play football to further his evangelicalism I think. Read the article, and tell me what you think.
Comment by Mondobubba on 01/16/2012 15:51:35
I've heard some other stories along this line. Time to take the effers to court.
Mondobubba on 01/16/2012 15:51:35
I've heard some other stories along this line. Time to take the effers to court.
Comment by TriSec on 01/16/2012 15:54:01
TriSec on 01/16/2012 15:54:01
Well, I don't see his evangelism as much of an issue. He's famous; using that fame to advance his position is a tried and true part of America. Everyone from actors to the Unabomber has done that.
What I don't care for though, is outside groups attempting to jump on his coattails; there was an ad for "Focus on the Family" during the game, and we've heard that they have made a buy for the AFC title game, too. (Probably in advance, just in case Denver won.)
What I don't care for though, is outside groups attempting to jump on his coattails; there was an ad for "Focus on the Family" during the game, and we've heard that they have made a buy for the AFC title game, too. (Probably in advance, just in case Denver won.)
Comment by wickedpam on 01/16/2012 15:54:55
wickedpam on 01/16/2012 15:54:55
So would anyone have any advice on how to help a 63 year old aunt who needs to find a new job? (she got laid-off and we can't get a full story out of her)
Comment by BobR on 01/16/2012 15:55:59
That article is very fair and balanced. If I were a religious person, I might be inclined to feel that dragging prayer onto the playing field cheapens the religion. To me, believing that God gets involved in a cash-driven sports game is the height of hubris and disrespect.
BobR on 01/16/2012 15:55:59
Quote by Raine:I think this article is a fair assessment.Quote by TriSec:
Mr. Tebow was gracious in defeat (at least it was reported in the Globe.) That rather speaks volumes; he could have been a dick about it.
Grudging respect? Not yet. But some potential.
Gracious? One could argue that... however...
It appears to me that he's using his opportunity to play football to further his evangelicalism I think. Read the article, and tell me what you think.
That article is very fair and balanced. If I were a religious person, I might be inclined to feel that dragging prayer onto the playing field cheapens the religion. To me, believing that God gets involved in a cash-driven sports game is the height of hubris and disrespect.
Comment by Raine on 01/16/2012 15:56:35
Raine on 01/16/2012 15:56:35
SOPA appears to have been shelved...
Interesting IMO considering Congress is supposed to be in RECESS.
Interesting IMO considering Congress is supposed to be in RECESS.
Comment by Mondobubba on 01/16/2012 15:58:43
:eyerollgumcrackhairflip: Whatever!
Mondobubba on 01/16/2012 15:58:43
Quote by BobR:Quote by Mondobubba:
So, how about that Thebault (correct spelling of "Tebow" cause it's French)?
The French spelling would require the accent on the second syllable
:eyerollgumcrackhairflip: Whatever!
Comment by Raine on 01/16/2012 15:59:59
Perhaps you forgot that Tebow did an ad for FotF during last years superbowl?
HE can be as evangelical as he wants -- he's using the NFL to do so. I have a BIG problem with that.
Pocus on the family didn;t have to jump on coattails --
Raine on 01/16/2012 15:59:59
Quote by TriSec:
Well, I don't see his evangelism as much of an issue. He's famous; using that fame to advance his position is a tried and true part of America. Everyone from actors to the Unabomber has done that.
What I don't care for though, is outside groups attempting to jump on his coattails; there was an ad for "Focus on the Family" during the game, and we've heard that they have made a buy for the AFC title game, too. (Probably in advance, just in case Denver won.)
HE can be as evangelical as he wants -- he's using the NFL to do so. I have a BIG problem with that.
Pocus on the family didn;t have to jump on coattails --
Comment by TriSec on 01/16/2012 16:00:38
TriSec on 01/16/2012 16:00:38
It is interesting though, that he did this big prayer circle rather publicly in the stadium tunnel and then got all snappy about it. Don't do it in public, then.
That plays into the "arrogance" aspect of it. I wouldn't care what Westboro Baptist was doing, but since they go out of there way to make a spectacle...expect a backlash.
(I know that's an extreme example, but you should see my point.)
That plays into the "arrogance" aspect of it. I wouldn't care what Westboro Baptist was doing, but since they go out of there way to make a spectacle...expect a backlash.
(I know that's an extreme example, but you should see my point.)
Comment by livingonli on 01/16/2012 16:01:14
livingonli on 01/16/2012 16:01:14
Time to head off to the salt mine. Talk to you there at least until the Knicks tip off.
Comment by TriSec on 01/16/2012 16:02:02
Yes, I would have forgotten that. Sorry..fair-weather football fan here. I usually don't watch unless the locals are involved.
TriSec on 01/16/2012 16:02:02
Quote by Raine:
Perhaps you forgot that Tebow did an ad for FotF during last years superbowl?
Yes, I would have forgotten that. Sorry..fair-weather football fan here. I usually don't watch unless the locals are involved.
Comment by Raine on 01/16/2012 16:02:36
IT's not that extreme example. It's the very point.
Raine on 01/16/2012 16:02:36
Quote by TriSec:
It is interesting though, that he did this big prayer circle rather publicly in the stadium tunnel and then got all snappy about it. Don't do it in public, then.
That plays into the "arrogance" aspect of it. I wouldn't care what Westboro Baptist was doing, but since they go out of there way to make a spectacle...expect a backlash.
(I know that's an extreme example, but you should see my point.)
Comment by Raine on 01/16/2012 16:11:12
Raine on 01/16/2012 16:11:12
From the article:
I went over to see what his good works were.
They are good works. I won;t deny that (although Timmy’s Playrooms and Uncle Dick's orphanage just sounds Awkward) I ask this in all honesty -- what if Tebow was a muslim?
He has every right top practice his faith -- and even with this foundation -- it is his right. I just think he is using the NFL to do so. I don;t like that.
I wouldn't like it no matter what professional sport it was. Like church and state -- Sports and religion should walk a very careful line. Call me a secular Human.
Afterward, Tebow described what a few weeks ago had the feel of a breakout season as one of “ups and downs.†He said he tried to tune out the overwhelming attention, but at the same time was grateful for the platform it gave him to spread the word and continue his good works.
I went over to see what his good works were.
They are good works. I won;t deny that (although Timmy’s Playrooms and Uncle Dick's orphanage just sounds Awkward) I ask this in all honesty -- what if Tebow was a muslim?
He has every right top practice his faith -- and even with this foundation -- it is his right. I just think he is using the NFL to do so. I don;t like that.
I wouldn't like it no matter what professional sport it was. Like church and state -- Sports and religion should walk a very careful line. Call me a secular Human.
Comment by TriSec on 01/16/2012 16:37:40
TriSec on 01/16/2012 16:37:40
2 seconds on the Wiki. Don't know if any or all are currently active. Like to see what happens if one faced East and prostrated after a big play.
Muslims in the NFL:
Hamza Abdullah - Safety player for the Cleveland Browns[130][131]
Husain Abdullah - Safety player for the Minnesota Vikings[132]
Az-Zahir Hakim - Wide receiver player formerly for the St. Louis Rams[133]
Ryan Harris[134]
Abdul Hodge - Linebacker for the Carolina Panthers.[9]
Ahmad RashÄd - Former player for Minnesota Vikings, award winning sports-caster (converted in 1972)[135][136]
Ephraim Salaam - Offensive tackle player for the Detroit Lions[137]
Muhammad Wilkerson - Defensive end for the New York Jets[138]
Usama Young - Free safety player for the New Orleans Saints[139]
Muslims in the NFL:
Hamza Abdullah - Safety player for the Cleveland Browns[130][131]
Husain Abdullah - Safety player for the Minnesota Vikings[132]
Az-Zahir Hakim - Wide receiver player formerly for the St. Louis Rams[133]
Ryan Harris[134]
Abdul Hodge - Linebacker for the Carolina Panthers.[9]
Ahmad RashÄd - Former player for Minnesota Vikings, award winning sports-caster (converted in 1972)[135][136]
Ephraim Salaam - Offensive tackle player for the Detroit Lions[137]
Muhammad Wilkerson - Defensive end for the New York Jets[138]
Usama Young - Free safety player for the New Orleans Saints[139]
Comment by Mondobubba on 01/16/2012 16:41:44
There is a verse in the Bible that says something about don't pray in public.
Mondobubba on 01/16/2012 16:41:44
Quote by BobR:Quote by Raine:I think this article is a fair assessment.Quote by TriSec:
Mr. Tebow was gracious in defeat (at least it was reported in the Globe.) That rather speaks volumes; he could have been a dick about it.
Grudging respect? Not yet. But some potential.
Gracious? One could argue that... however...
It appears to me that he's using his opportunity to play football to further his evangelicalism I think. Read the article, and tell me what you think.
That article is very fair and balanced. If I were a religious person, I might be inclined to feel that dragging prayer onto the playing field cheapens the religion. To me, believing that God gets involved in a cash-driven sports game is the height of hubris and disrespect.
There is a verse in the Bible that says something about don't pray in public.
Comment by Raine on 01/16/2012 16:42:44
Exactly.
I can only image what Elway -- as partial owner of the team must be thinking.
Raine on 01/16/2012 16:42:44
Quote by TriSec:
2 seconds on the Wiki. Don't know if any or all are currently active. Like to see what happens if one faced East and prostrated after a big play.
Muslims in the NFL:
Hamza Abdullah - Safety player for the Cleveland Browns[130][131]
Husain Abdullah - Safety player for the Minnesota Vikings[132]
Az-Zahir Hakim - Wide receiver player formerly for the St. Louis Rams[133]
Ryan Harris[134]
Abdul Hodge - Linebacker for the Carolina Panthers.[9]
Ahmad RashÄd - Former player for Minnesota Vikings, award winning sports-caster (converted in 1972)[135][136]
Ephraim Salaam - Offensive tackle player for the Detroit Lions[137]
Muhammad Wilkerson - Defensive end for the New York Jets[138]
Usama Young - Free safety player for the New Orleans Saints[139]
Exactly.
I can only image what Elway -- as partial owner of the team must be thinking.
Comment by Mondobubba on 01/16/2012 16:44:57
Add to this list Calvin Mohammad, former Washington Redskin and AOL employee. Really nice guy. Learned a lot about Islam from him.
Funny you should mention the whole what if they were Muslim thing. Salon did an article on that very subject last week. Since I am feeling lazy, I'm not gonna link it.
Mondobubba on 01/16/2012 16:44:57
Quote by TriSec:
2 seconds on the Wiki. Don't know if any or all are currently active. Like to see what happens if one faced East and prostrated after a big play.
Muslims in the NFL:
Hamza Abdullah - Safety player for the Cleveland Browns[130][131]
Husain Abdullah - Safety player for the Minnesota Vikings[132]
Az-Zahir Hakim - Wide receiver player formerly for the St. Louis Rams[133]
Ryan Harris[134]
Abdul Hodge - Linebacker for the Carolina Panthers.[9]
Ahmad RashÄÂd - Former player for Minnesota Vikings, award winning sports-caster (converted in 1972)[135][136]
Ephraim Salaam - Offensive tackle player for the Detroit Lions[137]
Muhammad Wilkerson - Defensive end for the New York Jets[138]
Usama Young - Free safety player for the New Orleans Saints[139]
Add to this list Calvin Mohammad, former Washington Redskin and AOL employee. Really nice guy. Learned a lot about Islam from him.
Funny you should mention the whole what if they were Muslim thing. Salon did an article on that very subject last week. Since I am feeling lazy, I'm not gonna link it.
Comment by wickedpam on 01/16/2012 16:47:56
"And when you pray, do not be like the hypocrites, for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and on the street corners to be seen by men. I tell you the truth, they have received their reward in full. Matthew 6:5
wickedpam on 01/16/2012 16:47:56
Quote by Mondobubba:Quote by BobR:Quote by Raine:I think this article is a fair assessment.Quote by TriSec:
Mr. Tebow was gracious in defeat (at least it was reported in the Globe.) That rather speaks volumes; he could have been a dick about it.
Grudging respect? Not yet. But some potential.
Gracious? One could argue that... however...
It appears to me that he's using his opportunity to play football to further his evangelicalism I think. Read the article, and tell me what you think.
That article is very fair and balanced. If I were a religious person, I might be inclined to feel that dragging prayer onto the playing field cheapens the religion. To me, believing that God gets involved in a cash-driven sports game is the height of hubris and disrespect.
There is a verse in the Bible that says something about don't pray in public.
"And when you pray, do not be like the hypocrites, for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and on the street corners to be seen by men. I tell you the truth, they have received their reward in full. Matthew 6:5
Comment by TriSec on 01/16/2012 16:48:53
TriSec on 01/16/2012 16:48:53
Sweater, check. Sweatshirt, check. Hands turning red from standing in the kitchen running hot water over them for the last five minutes, check.
Honestly, I was warmer Saturday morning leading a hike in 5 degree wind-chill.
Honestly, I was warmer Saturday morning leading a hike in 5 degree wind-chill.
Comment by wickedpam on 01/16/2012 16:50:27
eek! hope your new workplace is a lot warmer!
wickedpam on 01/16/2012 16:50:27
Quote by TriSec:
Sweater, check. Sweatshirt, check. Hands turning red from standing in the kitchen running hot water over them for the last five minutes, check.
Honestly, I was warmer Saturday morning leading a hike in 5 degree wind-chill.
eek! hope your new workplace is a lot warmer!
Comment by Raine on 01/16/2012 17:04:30
Raine on 01/16/2012 17:04:30
I was made aware of this recording this morning. It moved me to become a victim of Dust. I have heard the song before but never the first time it was performed live -- 3 days after the death of Dr. King.
Comment by Raine on 01/16/2012 17:11:03
Raine on 01/16/2012 17:11:03
Ed shultz is a putz. Did he really say the 49'rs are obscure?
Yes he did. His sports commentary is about as informative as his political commentary: Uninformed.
Yes he did. His sports commentary is about as informative as his political commentary: Uninformed.
Comment by wickedpam on 01/16/2012 17:11:37
wickedpam on 01/16/2012 17:11:37
I can't stand Seton Motley 
Comment by Raine on 01/16/2012 17:12:04
Raine on 01/16/2012 17:12:04
Thom -- even when I disagree with him is still so much more informed when it comes to crafting an opinion.
Comment by Raine on 01/16/2012 17:12:56
Is that who this person is?
He's Smarmy.
Raine on 01/16/2012 17:12:56
Quote by wickedpam:
I can't stand Seton Motley
Is that who this person is?
He's Smarmy.
Comment by Raine on 01/16/2012 17:15:20
Raine on 01/16/2012 17:15:20
WHAT? Corporations should have the right to own a gun? 
Well, I guess that makes sense -- that would logically lead to the privatization of armies...
Well, I guess that makes sense -- that would logically lead to the privatization of armies...
Comment by Raine on 01/16/2012 17:16:16
Raine on 01/16/2012 17:16:16
This guy makes me want to bang my head on the wall -- I suspect this person is for Tort reform -- I'd like to have Thom ask that question.
Comment by wickedpam on 01/16/2012 17:16:50
He's one the Thom's usual guests from the other side. Smarmy has some charm to it - he's just a prick
wickedpam on 01/16/2012 17:16:50
Quote by Raine:Quote by wickedpam:
I can't stand Seton Motley
Is that who this person is?
He's Smarmy.
He's one the Thom's usual guests from the other side. Smarmy has some charm to it - he's just a prick
Comment by Raine on 01/16/2012 17:17:51
Thom is playing with him like a damn cat toy.
Raine on 01/16/2012 17:17:51
Thom is playing with him like a damn cat toy.
Comment by Mondobubba on 01/16/2012 17:41:09
Thanks Mala
Mondobubba on 01/16/2012 17:41:09
Quote by wickedpam:Quote by Mondobubba:Quote by BobR:Quote by Raine:I think this article is a fair assessment.Quote by TriSec:
Mr. Tebow was gracious in defeat (at least it was reported in the Globe.) That rather speaks volumes; he could have been a dick about it.
Grudging respect? Not yet. But some potential.
Gracious? One could argue that... however...
It appears to me that he's using his opportunity to play football to further his evangelicalism I think. Read the article, and tell me what you think.
That article is very fair and balanced. If I were a religious person, I might be inclined to feel that dragging prayer onto the playing field cheapens the religion. To me, believing that God gets involved in a cash-driven sports game is the height of hubris and disrespect.
There is a verse in the Bible that says something about don't pray in public.
"And when you pray, do not be like the hypocrites, for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and on the street corners to be seen by men. I tell you the truth, they have received their reward in full. Matthew 6:5
Thanks Mala
Comment by Scoopster on 01/16/2012 18:49:04
Scoopster on 01/16/2012 18:49:04
Comment by Will in Chicago on 01/16/2012 18:49:33
Will in Chicago on 01/16/2012 18:49:33
Hello, bloggers!!
Raine, an excellent blog. I think that Doctor King would be troubled about some aspects of our America but pleased to see that people will still willing to peacefully protest and organize for good causes. Sometimes, it seems that Doctor King's legacy is not full appreciated -- as he was an activist for civil rights, workers' rights and peace.
Raine, an excellent blog. I think that Doctor King would be troubled about some aspects of our America but pleased to see that people will still willing to peacefully protest and organize for good causes. Sometimes, it seems that Doctor King's legacy is not full appreciated -- as he was an activist for civil rights, workers' rights and peace.
Comment by 
trojanrabbit on 01/16/2012 19:52:54
I knew he did an anti-choice ad during last year's Superb Owl, but didn't know it was FotF related (I keep the TiVo's FF/pause/REW/mute buttons at the ready for any ads). And that ad is what I'm sure turns many off to him (including me). If it wasn't for that ad I might actually like the guy....first impressions and all that.
Raine, you may find my support of the Giants will vary wildly during the next few weeks, for while I have friends (you) and family (B-I-L) who are Giants fans, they are the team I fear the most (they have a defense and have beaten the Pats before)
Having said that, a Superb Owl rematch would be a lot of fun and I'm sure the NFL and NBC wouldn't mind.
Only one +5K yard passer remains.
Looks like Tebow will be behind the desk at the AFCC.
trojanrabbit on 01/16/2012 19:52:54
Quote by Raine:Perhaps you forgot that Tebow did an ad for FotF during last years superbowl?Quote by TriSec:
Well, I don't see his evangelism as much of an issue. He's famous; using that fame to advance his position is a tried and true part of America. Everyone from actors to the Unabomber has done that.
What I don't care for though, is outside groups attempting to jump on his coattails; there was an ad for "Focus on the Family" during the game, and we've heard that they have made a buy for the AFC title game, too. (Probably in advance, just in case Denver won.)
HE can be as evangelical as he wants -- he's using the NFL to do so. I have a BIG problem with that.
Pocus on the family didn;t have to jump on coattails --
I knew he did an anti-choice ad during last year's Superb Owl, but didn't know it was FotF related (I keep the TiVo's FF/pause/REW/mute buttons at the ready for any ads). And that ad is what I'm sure turns many off to him (including me). If it wasn't for that ad I might actually like the guy....first impressions and all that.
Raine, you may find my support of the Giants will vary wildly during the next few weeks, for while I have friends (you) and family (B-I-L) who are Giants fans, they are the team I fear the most (they have a defense and have beaten the Pats before)
Having said that, a Superb Owl rematch would be a lot of fun and I'm sure the NFL and NBC wouldn't mind.
Only one +5K yard passer remains.
Looks like Tebow will be behind the desk at the AFCC.
Comment by Mondobubba on 01/16/2012 20:17:53
I'd laugh at this, but it is so appalling. Who says this kinda stuff and means it?
Mondobubba on 01/16/2012 20:17:53
Quote by Scoopster:
Fuck the wut?!
I'd laugh at this, but it is so appalling. Who says this kinda stuff and means it?
Comment by Raine on 01/16/2012 20:18:58
I would totally understand if you remain a pats fan.
Right now -- to be brutally honest -- I will happily surprised if the Giants make it past the 49'rs. They, along with the Ravens -- have been the two teams I have been thinking would go to the Superbowl.
IT would be interesting to see a rematch.. I think it would be so fun!
Raine on 01/16/2012 20:18:58
Quote by trojanrabbit:Quote by Raine:Perhaps you forgot that Tebow did an ad for FotF during last years superbowl?Quote by TriSec:
Well, I don't see his evangelism as much of an issue. He's famous; using that fame to advance his position is a tried and true part of America. Everyone from actors to the Unabomber has done that.
What I don't care for though, is outside groups attempting to jump on his coattails; there was an ad for "Focus on the Family" during the game, and we've heard that they have made a buy for the AFC title game, too. (Probably in advance, just in case Denver won.)
HE can be as evangelical as he wants -- he's using the NFL to do so. I have a BIG problem with that.
Pocus on the family didn;t have to jump on coattails --
I knew he did an anti-choice ad during last year's Superb Owl, but didn't know it was FotF related (I keep the TiVo's FF/pause/REW/mute buttons at the ready for any ads). And that ad is what I'm sure turns many off to him (including me). If it wasn't for that ad I might actually like the guy....first impressions and all that.
Raine, you may find my support of the Giants will vary wildly during the next few weeks, for while I have friends (you) and family (B-I-L) who are Giants fans, they are the team I fear the most (they have a defense and have beaten the Pats before)
Having said that, a Superb Owl rematch would be a lot of fun and I'm sure the NFL and NBC wouldn't mind.
Only one +5K yard passer remains.
Looks like Tebow will be behind the desk at the AFCC.
Right now -- to be brutally honest -- I will happily surprised if the Giants make it past the 49'rs. They, along with the Ravens -- have been the two teams I have been thinking would go to the Superbowl.
IT would be interesting to see a rematch.. I think it would be so fun!
Comment by Raine on 01/16/2012 20:20:12
Raine on 01/16/2012 20:20:12
I'll not post the Focus on the family ad that Tim Tebow and his mother did. I would prefer to let Cecil Richards speak to it.
Comment by Raine on 01/16/2012 20:24:59
To whit I say -- I will leave Cecil Richards to speak for this.
What an abominable person.
Raine on 01/16/2012 20:24:59
Quote by Mondobubba:Quote by Scoopster:
Fuck the wut?!
I'd laugh at this, but it is so appalling. Who says this kinda stuff and means it?
What an abominable person.