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The High Cost of Doing Nothing
Author: BobR
Date: 07/20/2012 12:53:33
Despite "conserve" being the root word of "conservative", Republicans have decided that conserving natural resources is a liberal ideal and are therefore against it. They claim there is a "liberal agenda", and that "we" want to take away Americans' right to drive gas guzzling cars and dump millions of tons of CO2 into the air. If them thar socialist countries in Europe are trying to cut down on emissions, then - by God - doing so here would be anti-American, to hear them tell it.
So they claim our desire to change the status quo is really just to force an ideology on all Americans. But what is their motivation for maintaining the status quo? They hide behind vague claims of "freedom" and "America" and probably apple pie and Chevrolet. The real reason, of course, is much simpler than that:
Money.
Oil companies make a LOT of money. They make record profits every year, while still enjoying subsidies (or if you prefer - tax breaks for practically everything). They'd like to keep it that way. Republicans like the largesse they receive in campaign donations and other support from oil companies and their lobbyists. So oil companies run ads about how they're "researching" cleaner fuels, and Republican politicians scream about how energy prices will go up if the Democrats get their way. They say solar and wind is "too expensive", and low-information voters look at the dust and cobwebs in their wallets and decide that they'd rather believe global warming is a hoax (or at least inevitable).
It is a classic case of being penny-wise and pound-foolish.
I wrote a couple weeks ago about the severe weather we've been having and how it was predicted by climate scientists as a result of climate change. The climate change is a result of global warming. I wrote about the record-breaking heat waves, and the wildfires out west and the drought and rising sea levels on the coasts.
These changes all result in increased costs for us as consumers. We pay higher electric bills because we're running the A/C more and longer (or we're experiencing a decreased standard of living, suffering with the heat and/or not doing what we'd like). With more and more weather-related disasters, there's the cost of emergency response. There's the cost in life, especially the firefighters out west battling epic forest fires. Those living on the coast will see their properties literally disappear into the sea, losing millions in real estate investments.
The drought is already having an effect on our food supply. Crops are failing on a Biblical level across the country. We are on the brink of heading into another dust bowl. Corn prices are shooting through the roof, which also means that meat prices will rise (since most cattle are "grain fed" on corn). The misguided attempt to make gasoline "cleaner" by adding 10% ethanol made from corn will mean those prices will rise too. "Expensive" energy is an abstract notion, but higher prices at the grocery store is a very visceral reality. We WILL be seeing this over the next 3-12 months.
There are lots of questions that float around the global warming / climate change debate: Is it man-made? Is it avoidable? Is it too late to do anything?
These questions are moot, for the most part. The real question is: Do you want to pay up front to try address the problem, or do you want to pay after the fact to address the results of the problem?
We're going to pay either way. I feel it's best to make the investment now and stem the greenhouse emissions and hope the planet will adjust itself back. Otherwise, we'll be paying for our procrastination for generations to come.
So they claim our desire to change the status quo is really just to force an ideology on all Americans. But what is their motivation for maintaining the status quo? They hide behind vague claims of "freedom" and "America" and probably apple pie and Chevrolet. The real reason, of course, is much simpler than that:
Money.
Oil companies make a LOT of money. They make record profits every year, while still enjoying subsidies (or if you prefer - tax breaks for practically everything). They'd like to keep it that way. Republicans like the largesse they receive in campaign donations and other support from oil companies and their lobbyists. So oil companies run ads about how they're "researching" cleaner fuels, and Republican politicians scream about how energy prices will go up if the Democrats get their way. They say solar and wind is "too expensive", and low-information voters look at the dust and cobwebs in their wallets and decide that they'd rather believe global warming is a hoax (or at least inevitable).
It is a classic case of being penny-wise and pound-foolish.
I wrote a couple weeks ago about the severe weather we've been having and how it was predicted by climate scientists as a result of climate change. The climate change is a result of global warming. I wrote about the record-breaking heat waves, and the wildfires out west and the drought and rising sea levels on the coasts.
These changes all result in increased costs for us as consumers. We pay higher electric bills because we're running the A/C more and longer (or we're experiencing a decreased standard of living, suffering with the heat and/or not doing what we'd like). With more and more weather-related disasters, there's the cost of emergency response. There's the cost in life, especially the firefighters out west battling epic forest fires. Those living on the coast will see their properties literally disappear into the sea, losing millions in real estate investments.
The drought is already having an effect on our food supply. Crops are failing on a Biblical level across the country. We are on the brink of heading into another dust bowl. Corn prices are shooting through the roof, which also means that meat prices will rise (since most cattle are "grain fed" on corn). The misguided attempt to make gasoline "cleaner" by adding 10% ethanol made from corn will mean those prices will rise too. "Expensive" energy is an abstract notion, but higher prices at the grocery store is a very visceral reality. We WILL be seeing this over the next 3-12 months.
There are lots of questions that float around the global warming / climate change debate: Is it man-made? Is it avoidable? Is it too late to do anything?
These questions are moot, for the most part. The real question is: Do you want to pay up front to try address the problem, or do you want to pay after the fact to address the results of the problem?
We're going to pay either way. I feel it's best to make the investment now and stem the greenhouse emissions and hope the planet will adjust itself back. Otherwise, we'll be paying for our procrastination for generations to come.
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Comment by 
wickedpam on 07/20/2012 13:10:20
wickedpam on 07/20/2012 13:10:20
Morning 
Comment by 
Raine on 07/20/2012 13:16:33
This sucks.
Raine on 07/20/2012 13:16:33
Quote by wickedpam:
Morning
This sucks.
Comment by 
TriSec on 07/20/2012 13:17:13
TriSec on 07/20/2012 13:17:13
Morning, comrades!
With more hours to kill, I've been repeatedly plunging daggers into my eyes and slitting my own wrists by sitting through some of the required online training offerings put out by the BSA. They're designed for the rank amateur, so this 30-year veteran finds them tedious and unnecessary, but since I don't have the certificates, they must be done. I also note that in none of the training I've completed over the past two years is there anything requiring us to inquire about sexual orientation of leaders, or hunting down and expelling said unworthy subhumans.
Anyway...
With more hours to kill, I've been repeatedly plunging daggers into my eyes and slitting my own wrists by sitting through some of the required online training offerings put out by the BSA. They're designed for the rank amateur, so this 30-year veteran finds them tedious and unnecessary, but since I don't have the certificates, they must be done. I also note that in none of the training I've completed over the past two years is there anything requiring us to inquire about sexual orientation of leaders, or hunting down and expelling said unworthy subhumans.
Anyway...
Comment by 
Scoopster on 07/20/2012 13:21:39
Scoopster on 07/20/2012 13:21:39
Mornin' all & Happy Fridee!! 
So last night I was heading home from the card shop, and my ankle was really sore (I twisted it walking in the sand on BI the day before). So I called up my old reliable pal - The Wingnut Cabbie!
Seriously, he's a great guy and very reliable and doesn't charge too much.. but DAMN is he ever an absolute teabaggin' nut job when it comes to anything political.
So anyways, here's his latest thing: Obama incited bloody revolution all around the world, especially in the Middle East. How? By giving this speech in Cairo in 2009. Oh yeah, and now he's begging Vladimir Putin to 'clean up the mess Obama created'.
So last night I was heading home from the card shop, and my ankle was really sore (I twisted it walking in the sand on BI the day before). So I called up my old reliable pal - The Wingnut Cabbie!
Seriously, he's a great guy and very reliable and doesn't charge too much.. but DAMN is he ever an absolute teabaggin' nut job when it comes to anything political.So anyways, here's his latest thing: Obama incited bloody revolution all around the world, especially in the Middle East. How? By giving this speech in Cairo in 2009. Oh yeah, and now he's begging Vladimir Putin to 'clean up the mess Obama created'.
Comment by wickedpam on 07/20/2012 13:22:48
what the F is wrong with people!
wickedpam on 07/20/2012 13:22:48
Quote by Raine:Quote by wickedpam:
Morning
This sucks.
what the F is wrong with people!
Comment by TriSec on 07/20/2012 13:26:49
TriSec on 07/20/2012 13:26:49
I can't get over the report of a 6-year-old being in the middle of it.
At a midnight show of a PG-13 film? Obviously, somebody wasn't screened for appropriate parenting skills...
At a midnight show of a PG-13 film? Obviously, somebody wasn't screened for appropriate parenting skills...
Comment by wickedpam on 07/20/2012 13:29:16
I just figure its summer and to me this would be a kind treat event. I would question parenting skills if this were the school year
wickedpam on 07/20/2012 13:29:16
Quote by TriSec:
I can't get over the report of a 6-year-old being in the middle of it.
At a midnight show of a PG-13 film? Obviously, somebody wasn't screened for appropriate parenting skills...
I just figure its summer and to me this would be a kind treat event. I would question parenting skills if this were the school year
Comment by Raine on 07/20/2012 13:33:44
I read there was a 3 month old as well.
Raine on 07/20/2012 13:33:44
Quote by TriSec:
I can't get over the report of a 6-year-old being in the middle of it.
At a midnight show of a PG-13 film? Obviously, somebody wasn't screened for appropriate parenting skills...
Comment by 
Mondobubba on 07/20/2012 13:38:45
I pinged on that when I heard the story on the NPR mosheen. That is like taking a baby to a bar.
Mondobubba on 07/20/2012 13:38:45
Quote by TriSec:
I can't get over the report of a 6-year-old being in the middle of it.
At a midnight show of a PG-13 film? Obviously, somebody wasn't screened for appropriate parenting skills...
I pinged on that when I heard the story on the NPR mosheen. That is like taking a baby to a bar.
Comment by Raine on 07/20/2012 13:39:25
Woah.
Raine on 07/20/2012 13:39:25
A San Diego woman identifying herself as Holmes's mother spoke briefly with ABC News. She had not been contacted by authorities, but when she first heard the news, she immediately expressed concern that her son may have been involved.
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"You have the right person," she said, speaking on gut instinct. "I need to call the police. I need to fly out to Colorado."
Comment by wickedpam on 07/20/2012 13:43:34
wickedpam on 07/20/2012 13:43:34
why is it when its domestic they call it a rampage and not what it is Domestic Terrorism
Comment by Raine on 07/20/2012 13:53:36
Raine on 07/20/2012 13:53:36
Comment by wickedpam on 07/20/2012 13:55:07
wickedpam on 07/20/2012 13:55:07
NRA doesn't care
Comment by 
BobR on 07/20/2012 13:58:11
Oh they care - I am certain they are very worried about the negative publicity for gun nuts.
BobR on 07/20/2012 13:58:11
Quote by wickedpam:
NRA doesn't care
Oh they care - I am certain they are very worried about the negative publicity for gun nuts.
Comment by wickedpam on 07/20/2012 14:03:21
oh yeah they worry about their image, but they don't care about actual gun safety or education - they don't work to help get guns out of the hands of not only people like this crazy person but also criminals. They only want to protect the ability to get an effing ak47 or whatever mass killing weapon there is under the pretense of "hunting"
wickedpam on 07/20/2012 14:03:21
Quote by BobR:Quote by wickedpam:
NRA doesn't care
Oh they care - I am certain they are very worried about the negative publicity for gun nuts.
oh yeah they worry about their image, but they don't care about actual gun safety or education - they don't work to help get guns out of the hands of not only people like this crazy person but also criminals. They only want to protect the ability to get an effing ak47 or whatever mass killing weapon there is under the pretense of "hunting"
Comment by BobR on 07/20/2012 14:04:58
This seems like a puff piece for the Mormons. I remember them coming into town by the busload every summer. A couple years, we even loaned (or rented) out a bedroom for a couple guys to stay with us. It was a mixed blessing for the town, in that it brought in money, but they also cleaned out the grocery of milk and juice, and created traffic problems.
I don't remember any anti-Mormon sentiment or protesting when we went to the see the pageant, but I was young, and it was this big splashy thing that made no sense to me. It was just something we did one summer evening as a "cultural experience".
Things have changed a bit since I moved away. I know that Mormons are buying up property (both residential and business) which likely has the locals somewhat concerned. They may be using religion as a weapon, but their fears are more likely based in economics and culture.
BobR on 07/20/2012 14:04:58
Quote by Mondobubba:
Bobber, you're from Palmyra insights?
This seems like a puff piece for the Mormons. I remember them coming into town by the busload every summer. A couple years, we even loaned (or rented) out a bedroom for a couple guys to stay with us. It was a mixed blessing for the town, in that it brought in money, but they also cleaned out the grocery of milk and juice, and created traffic problems.
I don't remember any anti-Mormon sentiment or protesting when we went to the see the pageant, but I was young, and it was this big splashy thing that made no sense to me. It was just something we did one summer evening as a "cultural experience".
Things have changed a bit since I moved away. I know that Mormons are buying up property (both residential and business) which likely has the locals somewhat concerned. They may be using religion as a weapon, but their fears are more likely based in economics and culture.
Comment by Mondobubba on 07/20/2012 14:16:00
Mondobubba on 07/20/2012 14:16:00
Allow me to be mordant for a moment. Are all these people getting refunds on the tickets?
Comment by wickedpam on 07/20/2012 14:20:31
I doubt it, though I suspect if someone goes to the theatre and asks for one they'll get it. Warner Bros has cancelled the red carpet premiere in Paris and issued a statement "Warner Bros. is deeply saddened to learn about this shocking incident. We extend our sincere sympathies to the families and loved ones of the victims at this tragic time."
wickedpam on 07/20/2012 14:20:31
Quote by Mondobubba:
Allow me to be mordant for a moment. Are all these people getting refunds on the tickets?
I doubt it, though I suspect if someone goes to the theatre and asks for one they'll get it. Warner Bros has cancelled the red carpet premiere in Paris and issued a statement "Warner Bros. is deeply saddened to learn about this shocking incident. We extend our sincere sympathies to the families and loved ones of the victims at this tragic time."
Comment by 
Will in Chicago on 07/20/2012 14:20:42
Will in Chicago on 07/20/2012 14:20:42
I woke up a little while ago to hear about this tragedy.
It is still early, we do not know all the details. I mourn for the dead and pray that the wounded will be healed. May those who mourn be comforted in this time of sorrow.
It is still early, we do not know all the details. I mourn for the dead and pray that the wounded will be healed. May those who mourn be comforted in this time of sorrow.
Comment by Will in Chicago on 07/20/2012 14:21:11
Will in Chicago on 07/20/2012 14:21:11
Good interview with Andrew Gumbel this morning.
Comment by Mondobubba on 07/20/2012 14:31:28
Are you saying the NRA is a honey badger?
Mondobubba on 07/20/2012 14:31:28
Quote by wickedpam:
NRA doesn't care
Are you saying the NRA is a honey badger?
Comment by wickedpam on 07/20/2012 14:36:56
no honey badger's are bad ass the NRA is just a bunch of self centered asses
wickedpam on 07/20/2012 14:36:56
Quote by Mondobubba:Quote by wickedpam:
NRA doesn't care
Are you saying the NRA is a honey badger?
no honey badger's are bad ass the NRA is just a bunch of self centered asses
Comment by wickedpam on 07/20/2012 14:45:23
wickedpam on 07/20/2012 14:45:23
CO Gun Laws
is this normal is all states?
Am I required to register my weapon in the State of Colorado?
The State of Colorado prohibits gun registration. CRS 29-11.7-102
is this normal is all states?
Comment by wickedpam on 07/20/2012 14:49:51
fricking idiot - CO is a conceal carry state if someone there wanted to carry all they needed was a permit
wickedpam on 07/20/2012 14:49:51
Quote by Scoopster:
I expect nothing less from this dipshit rep.
fricking idiot - CO is a conceal carry state if someone there wanted to carry all they needed was a permit
Comment by Mondobubba on 07/20/2012 14:51:48
LOL!
Mondobubba on 07/20/2012 14:51:48
Quote by wickedpam:Quote by Mondobubba:Quote by wickedpam:
NRA doesn't care
Are you saying the NRA is a honey badger?
no honey badger's are bad ass the NRA is just a bunch of self centered asses
LOL!
Comment by Mondobubba on 07/20/2012 14:53:46
WTFBBQ! Is he the dumbest Congresscritter evah? Yes, I think so.
Mondobubba on 07/20/2012 14:53:46
Quote by Scoopster:
I expect nothing less from this dipshit rep.
WTFBBQ! Is he the dumbest Congresscritter evah? Yes, I think so.
Comment by Raine on 07/20/2012 15:07:38
Raine on 07/20/2012 15:07:38
Comment by Mondobubba on 07/20/2012 15:27:45
Mondobubba on 07/20/2012 15:27:45
Bad taste joke alert. There is no reason to go on a killing spree when people are talking during the movie.
Comment by Raine on 07/20/2012 15:34:36
Raine on 07/20/2012 15:34:36
Quote by Mondobubba:
Bad taste joke alert. There is no reason to go on a killing spree when people are talking during the movie.
Comment by Raine on 07/20/2012 15:36:00
Raine on 07/20/2012 15:36:00
This is just terribly sad. One of the victims had just missed being a victim of a shooting in Toronto.
Comment by Raine on 07/20/2012 15:38:18
Raine on 07/20/2012 15:38:18
Holy Crap -- the Apartment building itself is booby trapped... 
Comment by Mondobubba on 07/20/2012 15:39:13
I couldn't keep it in. Sorry.
Mondobubba on 07/20/2012 15:39:13
Quote by Raine:Quote by Mondobubba:
Bad taste joke alert. There is no reason to go on a killing spree when people are talking during the movie.
I couldn't keep it in. Sorry.
Comment by wickedpam on 07/20/2012 15:40:36
Gawker is all over this too
wickedpam on 07/20/2012 15:40:36
Quote by Raine:
This is just terribly sad. One of the victims had just missed being a victim of a shooting in Toronto.
Gawker is all over this too
Comment by Mondobubba on 07/20/2012 15:41:21
We are not dealing with a common variety of loon are we?
Mondobubba on 07/20/2012 15:41:21
Quote by Raine:
Holy Crap -- the Apartment building itself is booby trapped...
We are not dealing with a common variety of loon are we?
Comment by wickedpam on 07/20/2012 15:44:06
this is Se7en territory crazy
wickedpam on 07/20/2012 15:44:06
Quote by Mondobubba:Quote by Raine:
Holy Crap -- the Apartment building itself is booby trapped...
We are not dealing with a common variety of loon are we?
this is Se7en territory crazy
Comment by Raine on 07/20/2012 15:47:03
Raine on 07/20/2012 15:47:03
Oh, this caller has me in tears. 
Comment by Raine on 07/20/2012 15:48:50
That his mother -- in San Diego so quickly identified him says there is some serious crazy shite going on here.
The things that are trickling out are really scary.
Raine on 07/20/2012 15:48:50
Quote by wickedpam:Quote by Mondobubba:Quote by Raine:
Holy Crap -- the Apartment building itself is booby trapped...
We are not dealing with a common variety of loon are we?
this is Se7en territory crazy
The things that are trickling out are really scary.
Comment by Raine on 07/20/2012 15:54:04
Raine on 07/20/2012 15:54:04
Dear God.
Police say that the apartment of the suspect in an early morning theater shooting appears to be booby trapped.
Police Chief Dan Oates said the explosive devices were "pretty sophisticated."
"We could be here for days," he said.
Five buildings have been evacuated.
Jim Yacone, special agent in charge of the Denver FBI, said they were working on "how to disarm the flammable or explosive material."
Comment by Raine on 07/20/2012 15:56:23
Read the whole thing:
Raine on 07/20/2012 15:56:23
Quote by Raine:
Dear God.Police say that the apartment of the suspect in an early morning theater shooting appears to be booby trapped.
Police Chief Dan Oates said the explosive devices were "pretty sophisticated."
"We could be here for days," he said.
Five buildings have been evacuated.
Jim Yacone, special agent in charge of the Denver FBI, said they were working on "how to disarm the flammable or explosive material."
Read the whole thing:
The search began about 2 a.m. A resident of the building who didn't want to give his name said he answered his door to see police with assault rifles. An officer asked if he had seen a white guy with crazy hair, possibly dyed unnatural colors, the man said. It was unclear if the officer was referring to the suspect.
Comment by Will in Chicago on 07/20/2012 16:07:00
Will in Chicago on 07/20/2012 16:07:00
I am watching MSNBC as I do housework. I am very afraid for the police officers and other people at the apartment complexes.
We will have to see how this story unfolds, but it seems that we may have someone who is very violent and very methodical at the root of this story. (The suspect is innocent until proven guilty, but I find the details of this story more disturbing as I learn more.)
Let us pause and keep the victims in our thoughts and prayers. They and their families, not the alleged perpetrator, should be our focus. Today, many people are dealing with the aftermath of this tragedy, and we it owe to them and the victims to offer our emotional support. May those who are injured heal, and may the memory of those who died be a blessing for those dearest to them. In the face of such hate, we can offer love and community to those who are facing this tragedy.
We will have to see how this story unfolds, but it seems that we may have someone who is very violent and very methodical at the root of this story. (The suspect is innocent until proven guilty, but I find the details of this story more disturbing as I learn more.)
Let us pause and keep the victims in our thoughts and prayers. They and their families, not the alleged perpetrator, should be our focus. Today, many people are dealing with the aftermath of this tragedy, and we it owe to them and the victims to offer our emotional support. May those who are injured heal, and may the memory of those who died be a blessing for those dearest to them. In the face of such hate, we can offer love and community to those who are facing this tragedy.
Comment by wickedpam on 07/20/2012 16:09:19
wickedpam on 07/20/2012 16:09:19
from TMZ
7:45AM PT -- Police say Holmes' studio apartment is "booby-trapped" in a sophisticated manner -- and they are trying to figure out how to disarm an explosive device attached to the front door.
Comment by BobR on 07/20/2012 16:09:33
The reality is that for all the "conceal carry" and "didn't anyone else have a gun" blather, the reality is shooting a gun is WAY different than being shot AT by a gun, as is shooting at a real person as opposed to a paper target. I think most gun-toting people in that situation would be diving under the seats, not turning into Dirty Harry.
BobR on 07/20/2012 16:09:33
Quote by wickedpam:Quote by Scoopster:
I expect nothing less from this dipshit rep.
fricking idiot - CO is a conceal carry state if someone there wanted to carry all they needed was a permit
The reality is that for all the "conceal carry" and "didn't anyone else have a gun" blather, the reality is shooting a gun is WAY different than being shot AT by a gun, as is shooting at a real person as opposed to a paper target. I think most gun-toting people in that situation would be diving under the seats, not turning into Dirty Harry.
Comment by wickedpam on 07/20/2012 16:12:17
exactly. people who say "well why didn't someone shoot the shooter" are idiots who can't grasp the bigger picture
wickedpam on 07/20/2012 16:12:17
Quote by BobR:Quote by wickedpam:Quote by Scoopster:
I expect nothing less from this dipshit rep.
fricking idiot - CO is a conceal carry state if someone there wanted to carry all they needed was a permit
The reality is that for all the "conceal carry" and "didn't anyone else have a gun" blather, the reality is shooting a gun is WAY different than being shot AT by a gun, as is shooting at a real person as opposed to a paper target. I think most gun-toting people in that situation would be diving under the seats, not turning into Dirty Harry.
exactly. people who say "well why didn't someone shoot the shooter" are idiots who can't grasp the bigger picture
Comment by Mondobubba on 07/20/2012 16:17:03
Hence my dumbest member of congress comment. IF KO were still on, LG would be in the running for Worst Person.
Mondobubba on 07/20/2012 16:17:03
Quote by wickedpam:Quote by BobR:Quote by wickedpam:Quote by Scoopster:
I expect nothing less from this dipshit rep.
fricking idiot - CO is a conceal carry state if someone there wanted to carry all they needed was a permit
The reality is that for all the "conceal carry" and "didn't anyone else have a gun" blather, the reality is shooting a gun is WAY different than being shot AT by a gun, as is shooting at a real person as opposed to a paper target. I think most gun-toting people in that situation would be diving under the seats, not turning into Dirty Harry.
exactly. people who say "well why didn't someone shoot the shooter" are idiots who can't grasp the bigger picture
Hence my dumbest member of congress comment. IF KO were still on, LG would be in the running for Worst Person.
Comment by TriSec on 07/20/2012 16:23:35
TriSec on 07/20/2012 16:23:35
You know, I have actually been shot at once in my life. Completely unintentionally, whilst at Scout camp.
A camp I once attended had a network of hiking trails all over the place...including two that went dangerously close to the shotgun range...without any warning signs or trail markers of any sort.
I was out for a walk, and I heard buckshot go whistling through the trees about 20 feet over my head. It was more a deer-in-the-headlights moment, as my brain went "What the hell was that?" as the rest of me was going "RUN!!!"
Finally, the range director saw me through the woods and called cease-fire, and I got the hell out of there.
I can go auto-pilot when confronted by a traumatic injury, primarily because I have the training to do so. The vast majority of the population out there that would be carrying a piece have NO TRAINING WHATSOEVER. The fight or flight defence mechanism is very powerful, but it can be overcome, again with the proper training.
Perhaps if an off-duty policeman, or a Marine or Soldier was in the theater, they might have had a chance. The general population....sorry, NO.
A camp I once attended had a network of hiking trails all over the place...including two that went dangerously close to the shotgun range...without any warning signs or trail markers of any sort.
I was out for a walk, and I heard buckshot go whistling through the trees about 20 feet over my head. It was more a deer-in-the-headlights moment, as my brain went "What the hell was that?" as the rest of me was going "RUN!!!"
Finally, the range director saw me through the woods and called cease-fire, and I got the hell out of there.
I can go auto-pilot when confronted by a traumatic injury, primarily because I have the training to do so. The vast majority of the population out there that would be carrying a piece have NO TRAINING WHATSOEVER. The fight or flight defence mechanism is very powerful, but it can be overcome, again with the proper training.
Perhaps if an off-duty policeman, or a Marine or Soldier was in the theater, they might have had a chance. The general population....sorry, NO.
Comment by Raine on 07/20/2012 16:35:06
The link I put a few posts down said they could be at that complex for days.
Raine on 07/20/2012 16:35:06
Quote by wickedpam:
from TMZ7:45AM PT -- Police say Holmes' studio apartment is "booby-trapped" in a sophisticated manner -- and they are trying to figure out how to disarm an explosive device attached to the front door.
The link I put a few posts down said they could be at that complex for days.
Comment by Raine on 07/20/2012 16:39:18
Raine on 07/20/2012 16:39:18
A question:
Does anyone know why the shooter stopped?
Does anyone know why the shooter stopped?
Comment by wickedpam on 07/20/2012 16:43:49
yeah I saw that - how many flippin devices are in that place?
Some reports are saying they found ammunition inside - but how did they get inside?
wickedpam on 07/20/2012 16:43:49
Quote by Raine:Quote by wickedpam:
from TMZ7:45AM PT -- Police say Holmes' studio apartment is "booby-trapped" in a sophisticated manner -- and they are trying to figure out how to disarm an explosive device attached to the front door.
The link I put a few posts down said they could be at that complex for days.
yeah I saw that - how many flippin devices are in that place?
Some reports are saying they found ammunition inside - but how did they get inside?
Comment by wickedpam on 07/20/2012 16:44:10
good question
wickedpam on 07/20/2012 16:44:10
Quote by Raine:
A question:
Does anyone know why the shooter stopped?
good question
Comment by Raine on 07/20/2012 16:49:30
They brought in a cherry picker -- they are getting in thru the window.
Raine on 07/20/2012 16:49:30
Quote by wickedpam:Quote by Raine:Quote by wickedpam:
from TMZ7:45AM PT -- Police say Holmes' studio apartment is "booby-trapped" in a sophisticated manner -- and they are trying to figure out how to disarm an explosive device attached to the front door.
The link I put a few posts down said they could be at that complex for days.
yeah I saw that - how many flippin devices are in that place?
Some reports are saying they found ammunition inside - but how did they get inside?
Comment by wickedpam on 07/20/2012 16:50:20
ah, that explains it then
wickedpam on 07/20/2012 16:50:20
Quote by Raine:They brought in a cherry picker -- they are getting in thru the window.Quote by wickedpam:Quote by Raine:Quote by wickedpam:
from TMZ7:45AM PT -- Police say Holmes' studio apartment is "booby-trapped" in a sophisticated manner -- and they are trying to figure out how to disarm an explosive device attached to the front door.
The link I put a few posts down said they could be at that complex for days.
yeah I saw that - how many flippin devices are in that place?
Some reports are saying they found ammunition inside - but how did they get inside?
ah, that explains it then
Comment by Raine on 07/20/2012 16:50:32
Raine on 07/20/2012 16:50:32
Romney is bringing religion into his statement.
Sorry guys, give me Obama any day --
Sorry guys, give me Obama any day --
Comment by 
clintster on 07/20/2012 16:52:24
clintster on 07/20/2012 16:52:24
Morning, afternoon, whatever...
I woke up to this news a few minutes ago. And frankly I am completely numb. Most of it is sorrow for the victims and their families, but I also have the distinct fear that this is going to be turned into a political football. It seems almost inevitable, and in my mind it's far too early to go on the offensive as to whether the Second Amendment should be repealed or if people should be required to carry weapons into movie theaters in case something like this happens again.
I just want to let the families of the dead take their loved ones to their final resting place, let the wounded get the treatment they need, and find out what the hell happened in this guy's life to make him go off the rails. I'll be angry later. Right now, I just need to mourn.
I woke up to this news a few minutes ago. And frankly I am completely numb. Most of it is sorrow for the victims and their families, but I also have the distinct fear that this is going to be turned into a political football. It seems almost inevitable, and in my mind it's far too early to go on the offensive as to whether the Second Amendment should be repealed or if people should be required to carry weapons into movie theaters in case something like this happens again.
I just want to let the families of the dead take their loved ones to their final resting place, let the wounded get the treatment they need, and find out what the hell happened in this guy's life to make him go off the rails. I'll be angry later. Right now, I just need to mourn.
Comment by wickedpam on 07/20/2012 16:53:27
his religion or religion in general?
wickedpam on 07/20/2012 16:53:27
Quote by Raine:
Romney is bringing religion into his statement.
Sorry guys, give me Obama any day --
his religion or religion in general?
Comment by Raine on 07/20/2012 16:55:26
He spoke of a living god....
He quoted Scripture -- I am going to find the statement,
I the meantime, this is what POTUS said:
Raine on 07/20/2012 16:55:26
Quote by wickedpam:Quote by Raine:
Romney is bringing religion into his statement.
Sorry guys, give me Obama any day --
his religion or religion in general?
He spoke of a living god....
He quoted Scripture -- I am going to find the statement,
I the meantime, this is what POTUS said:
‎"If there’s anything to take away from this tragedy it’s the reminder that life is very fragile. Our time here is limited and it is precious. And what matters at the end of the day is not the small things, it’s not the trivial things, which so often consume us and our daily lives. Ultimately, it’s how we choose to treat one another and how we love one another."
— President Barack Obama
Comment by Will in Chicago on 07/20/2012 16:56:04
Will in Chicago on 07/20/2012 16:56:04
Jack Rice, a former CIA officer and prosecutor who is filling in today on the Ed Schultz Show, just interviewed a man named Christopher Jones, who was at the theater. This moving and sad interview was followed by a caller from Wisconsin who blamed LIBERALS for not allowing everyone to be armed in the theater to defend themselves. Mister Rice pointed out that people would be firing in the dark through the smoke from the tear gas. Yet the caller insisted that people should have been armed. Rice pointed out that he has fired perhaps every make of gun known to man and that firing in the theater would lead to a further tragedy. The caller would have none of it.
It is disgusting to politicize this tragedy. I don't think anyone short of a well trained member of the military or police officer could have prevented that tragedy. At the Gabrielle Giffords shooting, people there stopped someone who was going to open fire after the person who shot Giffords and several others was grappled to the ground.
It is disgusting to politicize this tragedy. I don't think anyone short of a well trained member of the military or police officer could have prevented that tragedy. At the Gabrielle Giffords shooting, people there stopped someone who was going to open fire after the person who shot Giffords and several others was grappled to the ground.
Comment by clintster on 07/20/2012 16:59:21
God, the stupidity of some people! I'm going out to take some photos. Talk to y'all later.
Be good to one another.
clintster on 07/20/2012 16:59:21
Quote by Will in Chicago:
Jack Rice, a former CIA officer and prosecutor who is filling in today on the Ed Schultz Show, just interviewed a man named Christopher Jones, who was at the theater. This moving and sad interview was followed by a caller from Wisconsin who blamed LIBERALS for not allowing everyone to be armed in the theater to defend themselves. Mister Rice pointed out that people would be firing in the dark through the smoke from the tear gas. Yet the caller insisted that people should have been armed. Rice pointed out that he has fired perhaps every make of gun known to man and that firing in the theater would lead to a further tragedy. The caller would have none of it.
It is disgusting to politicize this tragedy. I don't think anyone short of a well trained member of the military or police officer could have prevented that tragedy. At the Gabrielle Giffords shooting, people there stopped someone who was going to open fire after the person who shot Giffords and several others was grappled to the ground.
God, the stupidity of some people! I'm going out to take some photos. Talk to y'all later.
Be good to one another.
Comment by wickedpam on 07/20/2012 17:01:26
Comforting words from the Pres, so much better then being preached at.
wickedpam on 07/20/2012 17:01:26
Quote by Raine:Quote by wickedpam:Quote by Raine:
Romney is bringing religion into his statement.
Sorry guys, give me Obama any day --
his religion or religion in general?
He spoke of a living god....
He quoted Scripture -- I am going to find the statement,
I the meantime, this is what POTUS said:‎"If there’s anything to take away from this tragedy it’s the reminder that life is very fragile. Our time here is limited and it is precious. And what matters at the end of the day is not the small things, it’s not the trivial things, which so often consume us and our daily lives. Ultimately, it’s how we choose to treat one another and how we love one another."
— President Barack Obama
Comforting words from the Pres, so much better then being preached at.
Comment by Raine on 07/20/2012 17:03:58
It is nice to see you Clint.
Take beautiful pics...
Raine on 07/20/2012 17:03:58
Quote by clintster:
God, the stupidity of some people! I'm going out to take some photos. Talk to y'all later.
Take beautiful pics...
Comment by wickedpam on 07/20/2012 17:07:05
I'm glad I'm not the only who just heard that. Hate to break it to that idiot to CO allows for permitted conceal carry of loaded weapons. He just doesn't like that he got to get an effin permit.
from the blog I wrote on firearms
wickedpam on 07/20/2012 17:07:05
Quote by clintster:Quote by Will in Chicago:
Jack Rice, a former CIA officer and prosecutor who is filling in today on the Ed Schultz Show, just interviewed a man named Christopher Jones, who was at the theater. This moving and sad interview was followed by a caller from Wisconsin who blamed LIBERALS for not allowing everyone to be armed in the theater to defend themselves. Mister Rice pointed out that people would be firing in the dark through the smoke from the tear gas. Yet the caller insisted that people should have been armed. Rice pointed out that he has fired perhaps every make of gun known to man and that firing in the theater would lead to a further tragedy. The caller would have none of it.
It is disgusting to politicize this tragedy. I don't think anyone short of a well trained member of the military or police officer could have prevented that tragedy. At the Gabrielle Giffords shooting, people there stopped someone who was going to open fire after the person who shot Giffords and several others was grappled to the ground.
God, the stupidity of some people! I'm going out to take some photos. Talk to y'all later.
I'm glad I'm not the only who just heard that. Hate to break it to that idiot to CO allows for permitted conceal carry of loaded weapons. He just doesn't like that he got to get an effin permit.
from the blog I wrote on firearms
With all the laws these days about how you can carry guns into national parks, bars, churches, and pretty much anywhere, as a non-gun owner I don’t really feel very safe from all these gun-toting people. Gun rights people often say that if more people could carry guns anywhere they want we’d be safer. But I don’t know who you are and what gun training you’ve had, or hadn’t. Why should I trust you with a gun in public?
Comment by Raine on 07/20/2012 17:08:38
Raine on 07/20/2012 17:08:38
This has the entire transcript from POTUS, it does NOT have the full transcript of Romney. I know what I heard and it wasn't what is at the link.
Comment by Raine on 07/20/2012 17:10:14
Raine on 07/20/2012 17:10:14
MAla can you give a link to that blog?
Comment by Will in Chicago on 07/20/2012 17:10:29
I am not sure what verse Romney quoted but I hope that it is one that was meant to offer comfort. I think that faith can be an important part of someone's life, but I don't think appeals to any particular faith are appropriate in this tragedy. Tonight, I am sure, my congregation will pray for the dead and the wounded in this tragedy. I will try to watch Romney's statement later, but I think that Obama was eloquent in addressing the events in Aurora, Colorado.
Will in Chicago on 07/20/2012 17:10:29
Quote by Raine:Quote by wickedpam:Quote by Raine:
Romney is bringing religion into his statement.
Sorry guys, give me Obama any day --
his religion or religion in general?
He spoke of a living god....
He quoted Scripture -- I am going to find the statement,
I the meantime, this is what POTUS said:‎"If there’s anything to take away from this tragedy it’s the reminder that life is very fragile. Our time here is limited and it is precious. And what matters at the end of the day is not the small things, it’s not the trivial things, which so often consume us and our daily lives. Ultimately, it’s how we choose to treat one another and how we love one another."
— President Barack Obama
I am not sure what verse Romney quoted but I hope that it is one that was meant to offer comfort. I think that faith can be an important part of someone's life, but I don't think appeals to any particular faith are appropriate in this tragedy. Tonight, I am sure, my congregation will pray for the dead and the wounded in this tragedy. I will try to watch Romney's statement later, but I think that Obama was eloquent in addressing the events in Aurora, Colorado.
Comment by wickedpam on 07/20/2012 17:11:43
Wish I could - I don't know how to get to the archives
wickedpam on 07/20/2012 17:11:43
Quote by Raine:
MAla can you give a link to that blog?
Wish I could - I don't know how to get to the archives
Comment by Mondobubba on 07/20/2012 17:26:41
Mondobubba on 07/20/2012 17:26:41
Aside from my tasteless joke made as coping mechanism, I am still trying to fully process what the hell happened.
Comment by wickedpam on 07/20/2012 17:44:22
Wait! Figured it out! ya me
Rambling thoughts on gun ownership
wickedpam on 07/20/2012 17:44:22
Quote by wickedpam:Quote by Raine:
MAla can you give a link to that blog?
Wish I could - I don't know how to get to the archives
Wait! Figured it out! ya me
Rambling thoughts on gun ownership
Comment by Raine on 07/20/2012 17:50:03
YES!
Thanks.
Raine on 07/20/2012 17:50:03
Quote by wickedpam:Quote by wickedpam:Quote by Raine:
MAla can you give a link to that blog?
Wish I could - I don't know how to get to the archives
Wait! Figured it out! ya me
Rambling thoughts on gun ownership
Thanks.
Comment by Raine on 07/20/2012 17:55:35
Raine on 07/20/2012 17:55:35
You know, I truly and honestly wish that people were as passionate of voter disenfranchisement -- ie: STEALING the vote as they were about guns.
Comment by Raine on 07/20/2012 17:56:04
You and me both.
Raine on 07/20/2012 17:56:04
Quote by Mondobubba:
Aside from my tasteless joke made as coping mechanism, I am still trying to fully process what the hell happened.
Comment by wickedpam on 07/20/2012 17:59:56
what your talking about is a a concept vs an actual physical thing
wickedpam on 07/20/2012 17:59:56
Quote by Raine:
You know, I truly and honestly wish that people were as passionate of voter disenfranchisement -- ie: STEALING the vote as they were about guns.
what your talking about is a a concept vs an actual physical thing
Comment by 
livingonli on 07/20/2012 18:06:11
livingonli on 07/20/2012 18:06:11
Good day, folks. I crashed out today with kitty company. I turned on CNN for a little bit. I really think the right-wingers who think that everyone having a gun will resolve this problem has been watching way too many action movies because they seem to believe everyone will have perfect aim.
In other news (and Scoopster should be happy), DirecTV and Viacom finally settled today on Day 10 of the dispute and the channels have been re-instated. And of course, AMC Networks remain off Dish because they are not even talking with them.
In other news (and Scoopster should be happy), DirecTV and Viacom finally settled today on Day 10 of the dispute and the channels have been re-instated. And of course, AMC Networks remain off Dish because they are not even talking with them.
Comment by Raine on 07/20/2012 18:06:56
You are correct, it has been a blog that I have wanted to write about for some time, the 2nd Amendment is the only one that actually mentions a specific real THING as opposed to a right or an Idea.
Raine on 07/20/2012 18:06:56
Quote by wickedpam:Quote by Raine:
You know, I truly and honestly wish that people were as passionate of voter disenfranchisement -- ie: STEALING the vote as they were about guns.
what your talking about is a a concept vs an actual physical thing
Comment by Mondobubba on 07/20/2012 18:12:23
The Right as if on que are making their stupid, horrible statements about a human tragedy.
Mondobubba on 07/20/2012 18:12:23
Quote by Raine:You and me both.Quote by Mondobubba:
Aside from my tasteless joke made as coping mechanism, I am still trying to fully process what the hell happened.
The Right as if on que are making their stupid, horrible statements about a human tragedy.
Comment by Raine on 07/20/2012 18:16:14
They are grotesque.
Raine on 07/20/2012 18:16:14
Quote by Mondobubba:Quote by Raine:You and me both.Quote by Mondobubba:
Aside from my tasteless joke made as coping mechanism, I am still trying to fully process what the hell happened.
The Right as if on que are making their stupid, horrible statements about a human tragedy.
Comment by Mondobubba on 07/20/2012 18:16:45
Mondobubba on 07/20/2012 18:16:45
I pulled up Wikipedia for July 20th. There has been a lot of tragic stuff that happened on this date in history:
70 – First Jewish–Roman War: Siege of Jerusalem – Titus, son of emperor Vespasian, storms the Fortress of Antonia north of the Temple Mount. The Roman army is drawn into street fights with the Zealots.
1932 – In Washington, D.C., police fire tear gas on World War I veterans, part of the Bonus Expeditionary Force, who attempt to march to the White House.
1934 – Labor unrest in the U.S.: as police in Minneapolis fire upon striking truck drivers, during the Minneapolis Teamsters Strike of 1934, killing two and wounding sixty-seven
1934 West Coast waterfront strike: In Seattle, Washington, police fire tear gas on and club 2,000 striking longshoremen. The governor of Oregon calls out the National Guard to break a strike on the Portland docks.
And then there is this:
1969 – Apollo program: Apollo 11 successfully makes the first manned landing on the Moon in the Sea of Tranquility. Americans Neil Armstrong and Buzz Aldrin become the first humans to walk on the Moon almost 7 hours later. (US Time)
I'm gonna reflect on that.
70 – First Jewish–Roman War: Siege of Jerusalem – Titus, son of emperor Vespasian, storms the Fortress of Antonia north of the Temple Mount. The Roman army is drawn into street fights with the Zealots.
1932 – In Washington, D.C., police fire tear gas on World War I veterans, part of the Bonus Expeditionary Force, who attempt to march to the White House.
1934 – Labor unrest in the U.S.: as police in Minneapolis fire upon striking truck drivers, during the Minneapolis Teamsters Strike of 1934, killing two and wounding sixty-seven
1934 West Coast waterfront strike: In Seattle, Washington, police fire tear gas on and club 2,000 striking longshoremen. The governor of Oregon calls out the National Guard to break a strike on the Portland docks.
And then there is this:
1969 – Apollo program: Apollo 11 successfully makes the first manned landing on the Moon in the Sea of Tranquility. Americans Neil Armstrong and Buzz Aldrin become the first humans to walk on the Moon almost 7 hours later. (US Time)
I'm gonna reflect on that.
Comment by livingonli on 07/20/2012 18:17:07
It does make it why besides a small number of them, it makes it hard to like them.
livingonli on 07/20/2012 18:17:07
Quote by Raine:They are grotesque.Quote by Mondobubba:Quote by Raine:You and me both.Quote by Mondobubba:
Aside from my tasteless joke made as coping mechanism, I am still trying to fully process what the hell happened.
The Right as if on que are making their stupid, horrible statements about a human tragedy.
It does make it why besides a small number of them, it makes it hard to like them.
Comment by Raine on 07/20/2012 18:21:26
Raine on 07/20/2012 18:21:26
We have a statement:
The Colorado Tea Party Patriots and the Tea Party Patriots are saddened to hear of the death and wounding of theater goers in Aurora, Colorado. The member of the Colorado Tea Party Patriots, Jim Holmes, age 52 is not the same person who has been identified as the shooter.
The attempts of some media organizations to characterize the shooter as a Tea Party member without having made any effort to contact our organization are shameless and reprehensible.
Comment by livingonli on 07/20/2012 18:24:20
livingonli on 07/20/2012 18:24:20
CNN is doing a story on one of the victims who was an aspiring journalist who just missed the shooting rampage at Eaton's in Toronto and considered herself lucky there. Now, that story sounds like the plot of Final Destination.
Comment by TriSec on 07/20/2012 18:27:42
TriSec on 07/20/2012 18:27:42
OK folks, I'm heading out to do some phone-banking for my preferred local candidate.
I'll be back later!
I'll be back later!
Comment by wickedpam on 07/20/2012 18:29:49
wickedpam on 07/20/2012 18:29:49
Quote by livingonli:
Good day, folks. I crashed out today with kitty company. I turned on CNN for a little bit. I really think the right-wingers who think that everyone having a gun will resolve this problem has been watching way too many action movies because they seem to believe everyone will have perfect aim.
In other news (and Scoopster should be happy), DirecTV and Viacom finally settled today on Day 10 of the dispute and the channels have been re-instated. And of course, AMC Networks remain off Dish because they are not even talking with them.
Comment by wickedpam on 07/20/2012 18:30:39
and of course its all about them
wickedpam on 07/20/2012 18:30:39
Quote by Raine:
We have a statement:The Colorado Tea Party Patriots and the Tea Party Patriots are saddened to hear of the death and wounding of theater goers in Aurora, Colorado. The member of the Colorado Tea Party Patriots, Jim Holmes, age 52 is not the same person who has been identified as the shooter.
The attempts of some media organizations to characterize the shooter as a Tea Party member without having made any effort to contact our organization are shameless and reprehensible.
and of course its all about them
Comment by Raine on 07/20/2012 18:36:27
Raine on 07/20/2012 18:36:27
Comment by Scoopster on 07/20/2012 18:44:41
Scoopster on 07/20/2012 18:44:41
WaPo headline :"Obama: Colorado shooting is reminder that ‘small things’ don’t matter; Romney shares sentiment"
Uhh wut..?
That is TOTALLY out of context.
Uhh wut..?
That is TOTALLY out of context.
Comment by livingonli on 07/20/2012 18:56:55
I have to tell them that The Dark Knight Returns which that page is from came out in 1986 although the trade paperback has had numerous republications (just like the one for the Watchmen). Both Dark Knight Returns and Watchmen when they were published set the standard to establish to people why comic books weren't for little kids anymore
livingonli on 07/20/2012 18:56:55
Quote by Raine:
Liv, you are our own Comic book guy... Did you read the 1997 Graphic novel? I ask because of this:
I have to tell them that The Dark Knight Returns which that page is from came out in 1986 although the trade paperback has had numerous republications (just like the one for the Watchmen). Both Dark Knight Returns and Watchmen when they were published set the standard to establish to people why comic books weren't for little kids anymore
Comment by Will in Chicago on 07/20/2012 19:03:23
Will in Chicago on 07/20/2012 19:03:23
Raine, I remember reading the Dark Knight Returns in the 1980s but can't recall that scene particularly.
So far, we know little of the suspect or his motives. Information should be sketchy for some time.
So far, we know little of the suspect or his motives. Information should be sketchy for some time.
Comment by wickedpam on 07/20/2012 19:10:12
wickedpam on 07/20/2012 19:10:12
switching to Thom - no Randi today
Comment by Will in Chicago on 07/20/2012 19:14:45
Will in Chicago on 07/20/2012 19:14:45
Nicole Sandler is in for Randi Rhodes, and began the hour playing this song from 1997:
Here are the lyrics;
Here are the lyrics;
If It Were Up to Me
Words and Lyrics by:
Cheryl Wheeler
Maybe it's the movies, maybe it's the books
Maybe it's the bullets, maybe it's the real crooks
Maybe it's the drugs, maybe it's the parents
Maybe it's the colors everybody's wearin
Maybe it's the President, maybe it's the last one
Maybe it's the one before that, what he done
Maybe it's the high schools, maybe it's the teachers
Maybe it's the tattooed children in the bleachers
Maybe it's the Bible, maybe it's the lack
Maybe it's the music, maybe it's the crack
Maybe it's the hairdos, maybe it's the TV
Maybe it's the cigarettes, maybe it's the family
Maybe it's the fast food, maybe it's the news
Maybe it's divorce, maybe it's abuse
Maybe it's the lawyers, maybe it's the prisons
Maybe it's the Senators, maybe it's the system
Maybe it's the fathers, maybe it's the sons
Maybe it's the sisters, maybe it's the moms
Maybe it's the radio, maybe it's road rage
Maybe El Nino, or UV rays
Maybe it's the army, maybe it's the liquor
Maybe it's the papers, maybe the militia
Maybe it's the athletes, maybe it's the ads
Maybe it's the sports fans, maybe it's a fad
Maybe it's the magazines, maybe it's the internet
Maybe it's the lottery, maybe it's the immigrants
Maybe it's taxes, big business
Maybe it's the KKK and the skinheads
Maybe it's the communists, maybe it's the Catholics
Maybe it's the hippies, maybe it's the addicts
Maybe it's the art, maybe it's the sex
Maybe it's the homeless, maybe it's the banks
Maybe it's the clearcut, maybe it's the ozone
Maybe it's the chemicals, maybe it's the car phones
Maybe it's the fertilizer, maybe it's the nose rings
Maybe it's the end, but I know one thing.
If it were up to me, I'd take away the guns.
Comment by Will in Chicago on 07/20/2012 19:15:46
Will in Chicago on 07/20/2012 19:15:46
Let me try again with what Nicole Sandler posted:
Comment by Mondobubba on 07/20/2012 19:25:06
Mondobubba on 07/20/2012 19:25:06
Here are the historic birthday shout outs for the day:
356 BC – Alexander the Great
1822 – Gregor Mendel
1919 – Sir Edmund Hillary
1933 – Cormac McCarthy
1936 – Barbara Mikulski
1938 – Dame Diana Rigg
1945 – Larry "Wide Stance" Craig
1947 – Carlos Santana
1975 – Judy Greer
356 BC – Alexander the Great
1822 – Gregor Mendel
1919 – Sir Edmund Hillary
1933 – Cormac McCarthy
1936 – Barbara Mikulski
1938 – Dame Diana Rigg
1945 – Larry "Wide Stance" Craig
1947 – Carlos Santana
1975 – Judy Greer
Comment by Raine on 07/20/2012 19:34:07
Right? They could have left that last part out.
Raine on 07/20/2012 19:34:07
Quote by wickedpam:Quote by Raine:
We have a statement:The Colorado Tea Party Patriots and the Tea Party Patriots are saddened to hear of the death and wounding of theater goers in Aurora, Colorado. The member of the Colorado Tea Party Patriots, Jim Holmes, age 52 is not the same person who has been identified as the shooter.
The attempts of some media organizations to characterize the shooter as a Tea Party member without having made any effort to contact our organization are shameless and reprehensible.
and of course its all about them
Comment by wickedpam on 07/20/2012 19:34:55
wickedpam on 07/20/2012 19:34:55
is Thom a repeat?
Comment by Raine on 07/20/2012 19:35:05
Brunch with bernie!~
Raine on 07/20/2012 19:35:05
Quote by wickedpam:
switching to Thom - no Randi today
Comment by Raine on 07/20/2012 19:36:29
OOh, I don;t know, I just came back to the radio.
I hope it isn't.
Raine on 07/20/2012 19:36:29
Quote by wickedpam:
is Thom a repeat?
I hope it isn't.
Comment by wickedpam on 07/20/2012 19:40:54
hard to tell - they haven't touched on CO at all
wickedpam on 07/20/2012 19:40:54
Quote by Raine:OOh, I don;t know, I just came back to the radio.Quote by wickedpam:
is Thom a repeat?
I hope it isn't.
hard to tell - they haven't touched on CO at all
Comment by livingonli on 07/20/2012 19:42:20
I would figure he is life since he seldom does repeats unless it's a holiday. If he couldn't do the show today, he would have had a fill-in.
livingonli on 07/20/2012 19:42:20
Quote by Raine:OOh, I don;t know, I just came back to the radio.Quote by wickedpam:
is Thom a repeat?
I hope it isn't.
I would figure he is life since he seldom does repeats unless it's a holiday. If he couldn't do the show today, he would have had a fill-in.
Comment by Raine on 07/20/2012 19:42:20
There was a Dark Night returns Graphic Novel published in 1997.
I remember the ones from the 80's. I also understand that we know little -- I still thought this was curious. This was from Reuters and it was published as a strange coincidence.
Raine on 07/20/2012 19:42:20
Quote by Will in Chicago:
Raine, I remember reading the Dark Knight Returns in the 1980s but can't recall that scene particularly.
So far, we know little of the suspect or his motives. Information should be sketchy for some time.
I remember the ones from the 80's. I also understand that we know little -- I still thought this was curious. This was from Reuters and it was published as a strange coincidence.
Comment by Raine on 07/20/2012 19:43:38
Yes. It's usually Karl.
It doesn't sound like a repeat. I suspect they aren't putting calls thru about the shooting to the Senator.
Raine on 07/20/2012 19:43:38
Quote by livingonli:Quote by Raine:OOh, I don;t know, I just came back to the radio.Quote by wickedpam:
is Thom a repeat?
I hope it isn't.
I would figure he is life since he seldom does repeats unless it's a holiday. If he couldn't do the show today, he would have had a fill-in.
It doesn't sound like a repeat. I suspect they aren't putting calls thru about the shooting to the Senator.
Comment by livingonli on 07/20/2012 19:44:14
Dark Knight Returns was published in 1986 and the sequel The Dark Knight Strikes Again came out in 2001. Both books are considered an alternate continuity where a middle-aged Bruce Wayne came out of retirement to put back on the cape and cowl.
livingonli on 07/20/2012 19:44:14
Quote by Raine:There was a Dark Night returns Graphic Novel published in 1997.Quote by Will in Chicago:
Raine, I remember reading the Dark Knight Returns in the 1980s but can't recall that scene particularly.
So far, we know little of the suspect or his motives. Information should be sketchy for some time.
I remember the ones from the 80's. I also understand that we know little -- I still thought this was curious. This was from Reuters and it was published as a strange coincidence.
Dark Knight Returns was published in 1986 and the sequel The Dark Knight Strikes Again came out in 2001. Both books are considered an alternate continuity where a middle-aged Bruce Wayne came out of retirement to put back on the cape and cowl.
Comment by livingonli on 07/20/2012 19:45:30
livingonli on 07/20/2012 19:45:30
According to CBS News, his last 4 guns were purchased legally.
Comment by wickedpam on 07/20/2012 19:45:48
good point
wickedpam on 07/20/2012 19:45:48
Quote by Raine:Yes. It's usually Karl.Quote by livingonli:Quote by Raine:OOh, I don;t know, I just came back to the radio.Quote by wickedpam:
is Thom a repeat?
I hope it isn't.
I would figure he is life since he seldom does repeats unless it's a holiday. If he couldn't do the show today, he would have had a fill-in.
It doesn't sound like a repeat. I suspect they aren't putting calls thru about the shooting to the Senator.
good point
Comment by Raine on 07/20/2012 19:46:03
The link said 1997. I remember the Frank Miller Novels. I guess this was why I was asking.
Raine on 07/20/2012 19:46:03
Quote by Raine:There was a Dark Night returns Graphic Novel published in 1997.Quote by Will in Chicago:
Raine, I remember reading the Dark Knight Returns in the 1980s but can't recall that scene particularly.
So far, we know little of the suspect or his motives. Information should be sketchy for some time.
I remember the ones from the 80's. I also understand that we know little -- I still thought this was curious. This was from Reuters and it was published as a strange coincidence.
Comment by wickedpam on 07/20/2012 19:46:39
and why did he need an AR15?
Why someone needs a gun should be on the form
wickedpam on 07/20/2012 19:46:39
Quote by livingonli:
According to CBS News, his last 4 guns were purchased legally.
and why did he need an AR15?
Why someone needs a gun should be on the form
Comment by Raine on 07/20/2012 19:49:55
All four were purchased in MAY? is this shit true?
Raine on 07/20/2012 19:49:55
Quote by livingonli:
According to CBS News, his last 4 guns were purchased legally.
All four were purchased in MAY? is this shit true?
Comment by Will in Chicago on 07/20/2012 20:01:56
If this is true, this is why we need training for gun owners -- and someone in the process to check on such issues as mental health. We need sane gun regulation, not bans nor laws so open that anyone can get a gun without a background check.
Will in Chicago on 07/20/2012 20:01:56
Quote by Raine:Quote by livingonli:
According to CBS News, his last 4 guns were purchased legally.
All four were purchased in MAY? is this shit true?
If this is true, this is why we need training for gun owners -- and someone in the process to check on such issues as mental health. We need sane gun regulation, not bans nor laws so open that anyone can get a gun without a background check.
Comment by livingonli on 07/20/2012 20:14:22
livingonli on 07/20/2012 20:14:22
And now, Thom is talking about the shooting.
Comment by livingonli on 07/20/2012 20:16:39
livingonli on 07/20/2012 20:16:39
Well at least it takes one infamous local event out of mind since I remembered the infamous gangsta shoot-out that occurred at the Sunrise Multiplex back when Godfather III opened which resulted in the movie theaters getting metal detectors and reducing the movie theater's crowd to strictly people from Queens since there are almost no movie theaters in Southeastern Queens.
Comment by Raine on 07/20/2012 21:38:43
I forgot about that.
I am actually reminded of the LIRR shooting.
Raine on 07/20/2012 21:38:43
Quote by livingonli:
Well at least it takes one infamous local event out of mind since I remembered the infamous gangsta shoot-out that occurred at the Sunrise Multiplex back when Godfather III opened which resulted in the movie theaters getting metal detectors and reducing the movie theater's crowd to strictly people from Queens since there are almost no movie theaters in Southeastern Queens.
I am actually reminded of the LIRR shooting.
Comment by Mondobubba on 07/20/2012 21:38:53
Remember this is the West. They have almost no gun laws. Look at Arizona which the next state south.
Mondobubba on 07/20/2012 21:38:53
Quote by Raine:Quote by livingonli:
According to CBS News, his last 4 guns were purchased legally.
All four were purchased in MAY? is this shit true?
Remember this is the West. They have almost no gun laws. Look at Arizona which the next state south.
Comment by livingonli on 07/20/2012 21:50:31
Living in Valley Stream for as many years as I did makes it hard to forget.
livingonli on 07/20/2012 21:50:31
Quote by Raine:I forgot about that.Quote by livingonli:
Well at least it takes one infamous local event out of mind since I remembered the infamous gangsta shoot-out that occurred at the Sunrise Multiplex back when Godfather III opened which resulted in the movie theaters getting metal detectors and reducing the movie theater's crowd to strictly people from Queens since there are almost no movie theaters in Southeastern Queens.
I am actually reminded of the LIRR shooting.
Living in Valley Stream for as many years as I did makes it hard to forget.
Comment by Will in Chicago on 07/20/2012 22:02:42
Arizona, my one time home where the economy languishes under the poor leadership of the Arizona GOP and Jan "No, I am not a mummy" Brewer. Gun ownership is pretty high there and one can bring a carried fire arm into a bar.
Will in Chicago on 07/20/2012 22:02:42
Quote by Mondobubba:Quote by Raine:Quote by livingonli:
According to CBS News, his last 4 guns were purchased legally.
All four were purchased in MAY? is this shit true?
Remember this is the West. They have almost no gun laws. Look at Arizona which the next state south.
Arizona, my one time home where the economy languishes under the poor leadership of the Arizona GOP and Jan "No, I am not a mummy" Brewer. Gun ownership is pretty high there and one can bring a carried fire arm into a bar.
Comment by BobR on 07/20/2012 23:02:32
That's why the Mexican drug lords get their guns in Phoenix - it's close enough and wide open.
BobR on 07/20/2012 23:02:32
Quote by Will in Chicago:Quote by Mondobubba:Quote by Raine:Quote by livingonli:
According to CBS News, his last 4 guns were purchased legally.
All four were purchased in MAY? is this shit true?
Remember this is the West. They have almost no gun laws. Look at Arizona which the next state south.
Arizona, my one time home where the economy languishes under the poor leadership of the Arizona GOP and Jan "No, I am not a mummy" Brewer. Gun ownership is pretty high there and one can bring a carried fire arm into a bar.
That's why the Mexican drug lords get their guns in Phoenix - it's close enough and wide open.
Comment by clintster on 07/21/2012 00:00:41
clintster on 07/21/2012 00:00:41
OK, so I had an interesting adventure this afternoon. Got my car bogged down on a dirt road, and spent so much time trying to get it out that I didn't take any pictures. However, I wanted to share some photos I have taken over the past few weeks here in North Carolina.
Comment by Raine on 07/21/2012 01:44:29
They are spectacular!
What camera are you using?
Raine on 07/21/2012 01:44:29
Quote by clintster:
OK, so I had an interesting adventure this afternoon. Got my car bogged down on a dirt road, and spent so much time trying to get it out that I didn't take any pictures. However, I wanted to share some photos I have taken over the past few weeks here in North Carolina.
They are spectacular!
What camera are you using?
Comment by clintster on 07/21/2012 02:27:08
Well, the middle one was taken with a Fujifilm FinePix 1500 point-n-shoot. The other two I took with a Canon Digital Rebel XTi. I picked up the Canon on eBay a couple of months ago and have been going to town ever since. :)
clintster on 07/21/2012 02:27:08
Quote by Raine:Quote by clintster:
OK, so I had an interesting adventure this afternoon. Got my car bogged down on a dirt road, and spent so much time trying to get it out that I didn't take any pictures. However, I wanted to share some photos I have taken over the past few weeks here in North Carolina.
They are spectacular!
What camera are you using?
Well, the middle one was taken with a Fujifilm FinePix 1500 point-n-shoot. The other two I took with a Canon Digital Rebel XTi. I picked up the Canon on eBay a couple of months ago and have been going to town ever since. :)