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The Torture Never Stops
Author: BobR
Date: 02/13/2009 13:37:14
As a society, we have certain boundaries beyond which we do not cross. For most of us, we do not cross them because of empathy, our understanding of human dignity, and the moral codes we have learned or created. A small minority cannot be trusted to stay within those boundaries, so we create laws and a means to enforce them. But what happens when those we've entrusted with the power to enforce the laws step beyond the powers we've granted and become as bad as (or worse than) those whose transgressions demand prosecution? Our outrage is strong and justified, and they are made to pay for their crimes. What happens when this occurs - not at a local or state level - but at an international level?
This is a question that is becoming increasingly clear demands an answer. With a new president in office and FOIA information requests being granted once again, the documentation is startling, horrifying, and infuriating.
At the head of the list is documented evidence that two men were tortured to death just two days after Rumsfeld okayed the abusive treatment:
Just let that thought roll around on your tongue for a minute and see if you can keep from spitting it out in disgust - the U.S. tortured at least two men to death.
Another report says that with all the focus on waterboarding, the levels to which we've sunk are much lower, including slicing genitals with a scalpel:
Sexual deviancy seems to be a central component in the arsenal of brutality against prisoners, if the anecdotal evidence is any indication. Another prisoner reports:
To help ensure that their medieval tactics did not see the light of day, the Pentagon used several tactics, including running secret prisons, hiding detainees identities from the Red Cross, and delaying the release of prisoners when the attention of the press might be harmful. This shows that the Pentagon was complicit and worked with the CIA. THAT generally means that a higher body (ie: the Bush Administration) coordinated that cross-department cooperation.
So that brings us back to the original question: what to do? A recent poll shows that 2/3 of Americans want the abuses of the Bush Administration investigated. Despite the flow of information, however, the darkest secrets are still being held back. Even Obama is getting redacted documents. Meanwhile, KKKarl Rove is ignoring Congressional subpoenas while commentating on FOX News and torture policy architect John Yoo is teaching at Berkeley University.
This may take an international effort. The World Organization Against Torture (OMCT) based in Switzerland may be involved in this. In a report on torture in 2007, they did not specifically mention the U.S., but it's pretty clear who they meant:
OMCT is headed by Kofi Annan, the former head of the UN, so they do carry some weight. They can work with the UN to ensure that the criminals of the past Administration face up for their crimes against humanity at the Hague. Hopefully, the U.S. will cooperate and "rendition" these animals to The Netherlands for their trials.
One final bit of consolation: We've often speculated on where the Bush Administration criminals would run to avoid prosecution. Bush has a spot in Paraguay, and Halliburton moved to Dubai, so we always figured Cheney would fake his death and end up there. However, Dubai may not be a pleasant place to stay much longer; it is spiraling down in an economic free fall:
Whither now, Dick?
This is a question that is becoming increasingly clear demands an answer. With a new president in office and FOIA information requests being granted once again, the documentation is startling, horrifying, and infuriating.
At the head of the list is documented evidence that two men were tortured to death just two days after Rumsfeld okayed the abusive treatment:
Newly declassified Defense Department documents describe a pattern of “abusive” behavior by U.S. military interrogators that appears to have caused the deaths of several suspected terrorists imprisoned at a detention center in Afghanistan in December 2002, just two days after former Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld authorized the use of "enhanced interrogation" techniques against prisoners in that country.
Just let that thought roll around on your tongue for a minute and see if you can keep from spitting it out in disgust - the U.S. tortured at least two men to death.
Another report says that with all the focus on waterboarding, the levels to which we've sunk are much lower, including slicing genitals with a scalpel:
The 25 lines edited out of the court papers contained details of how Mr Mohamed’s genitals were sliced with a scalpel and other torture methods so extreme that waterboarding, the controversial technique of simulated drowning, “is very far down the list of things they did,” the official said.
Sexual deviancy seems to be a central component in the arsenal of brutality against prisoners, if the anecdotal evidence is any indication. Another prisoner reports:
His lawyer, Ejaz Naqvi, has filed legal papers with Mumbai magistrate's court, claiming the "white woman" removed all his clothes and showed him pornographic films.
In the papers, he claims that three foreigners, including the woman, sexually abused him, causing him "severe itching and wounds" on his body, including his genitals.
Mr Ansari, a devout Muslim, claims this amounts to torture because it is against his religion, The Sun newspaper has reported.
A court in the Indian city ordered medical checks on "wounds on his private parts and all over his body."
To help ensure that their medieval tactics did not see the light of day, the Pentagon used several tactics, including running secret prisons, hiding detainees identities from the Red Cross, and delaying the release of prisoners when the attention of the press might be harmful. This shows that the Pentagon was complicit and worked with the CIA. THAT generally means that a higher body (ie: the Bush Administration) coordinated that cross-department cooperation.
So that brings us back to the original question: what to do? A recent poll shows that 2/3 of Americans want the abuses of the Bush Administration investigated. Despite the flow of information, however, the darkest secrets are still being held back. Even Obama is getting redacted documents. Meanwhile, KKKarl Rove is ignoring Congressional subpoenas while commentating on FOX News and torture policy architect John Yoo is teaching at Berkeley University.
This may take an international effort. The World Organization Against Torture (OMCT) based in Switzerland may be involved in this. In a report on torture in 2007, they did not specifically mention the U.S., but it's pretty clear who they meant:
OMCT’s efforts are nonetheless more indispensable than ever, for while the 20th century brought absolute condemnation of torture, the early 21st century is witnessing a worrying phenomenon, revealed since 11 September 2001: namely the tendency in certain Western countries to consider certain forms of torture as legally acceptable. While the United Nations Convention against Torture and Other Cruel, Inhuman and Degrading Treatment or Punishment (hereafter the Convention against Torture) establishes the absolute prohibition of these practices, it describes them differently. Various governments therefore attempt to circumvent and to interpret this international definition in order to justify certain methods. This evolution is extremely worrying, since it entails a certain degree of relativism and the erosion of the prohibition of torture, thereby calling into doubt its absolute nature in the name of cultural differences. The 1993 Vienna Declaration, in reaffirming the universality of rights, reaffirmed that various cultures cannot relativise human rights. Yet today it is those who fought for this Declaration in Vienna who are currently relativising the absolute prohibition of torture, under the guise of the right to security or the anti-terrorist struggle.
OMCT is headed by Kofi Annan, the former head of the UN, so they do carry some weight. They can work with the UN to ensure that the criminals of the past Administration face up for their crimes against humanity at the Hague. Hopefully, the U.S. will cooperate and "rendition" these animals to The Netherlands for their trials.
One final bit of consolation: We've often speculated on where the Bush Administration criminals would run to avoid prosecution. Bush has a spot in Paraguay, and Halliburton moved to Dubai, so we always figured Cheney would fake his death and end up there. However, Dubai may not be a pleasant place to stay much longer; it is spiraling down in an economic free fall:
With Dubai’s economy in free fall, newspapers have reported that more than 3,000 cars sit abandoned in the parking lot at the Dubai Airport, left by fleeing, debt-ridden foreigners (who could in fact be imprisoned if they failed to pay their bills). Some are said to have maxed-out credit cards inside and notes of apology taped to the windshield.
Whither now, Dick?
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Comment by 
wickedpam on 02/13/2009 13:52:54
wickedpam on 02/13/2009 13:52:54
Morning :hug:
Comment by 
Scoopster on 02/13/2009 14:00:51
Scoopster on 02/13/2009 14:00:51
Morning all! :coffee:
We're starting off the morning on a mellow note today.. Pantera's cover of Black Sabbath's Planet Caravan is first up on the iTunes mosheen.
We're starting off the morning on a mellow note today.. Pantera's cover of Black Sabbath's Planet Caravan is first up on the iTunes mosheen.
Comment by 
TriSec on 02/13/2009 14:02:07
AHA! it was YOU! (see facebook)
TriSec on 02/13/2009 14:02:07
Quote by Scoopster:
Morning all! :coffee:
We're starting off the morning on a mellow note today.. Pantera's cover of Black Sabbath's Planet Caravan is first up on the iTunes mosheen.
AHA! it was YOU! (see facebook)
Comment by Scoopster on 02/13/2009 14:07:44
Okay.. I'm not seeing new-ish doin on here.
Edit: Okay LOL.. I'll admit that if I owned a car, I would be crankin' me some metal in the early mornin'!
Scoopster on 02/13/2009 14:07:44
Quote by TriSec:Quote by Scoopster:
Morning all! :coffee:
We're starting off the morning on a mellow note today.. Pantera's cover of Black Sabbath's Planet Caravan is first up on the iTunes mosheen.
AHA! it was YOU! (see facebook)
Okay.. I'm not seeing new-ish doin on here.
Edit: Okay LOL.. I'll admit that if I owned a car, I would be crankin' me some metal in the early mornin'!
Comment by wickedpam on 02/13/2009 14:14:09
wickedpam on 02/13/2009 14:14:09
I was just going to say - did Gregg ask for a position with the administration? I bet he got pressure from his party to back out
Comment by Scoopster on 02/13/2009 14:20:36
Scoopster on 02/13/2009 14:20:36
Colbert does tribute to Glenn beck's new show - by getting a colonoscopy.
:rofl:
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
:rofl:
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
Comment by 
Random on 02/13/2009 14:28:45
Random on 02/13/2009 14:28:45
Mornin all my lovely friends and families that i pretend not to know when company comes.
Comment by Scoopster on 02/13/2009 14:30:56
Scoopster on 02/13/2009 14:30:56
Comment by Random on 02/13/2009 14:44:14
Random on 02/13/2009 14:44:14
Comment by 
Raine on 02/13/2009 14:45:46
Raine on 02/13/2009 14:45:46
Good Morning!
Random... you pretend? Wow, you really ARE like family! :D
Random... you pretend? Wow, you really ARE like family! :D
Comment by 
Mondobubba on 02/13/2009 14:47:11
Mondobubba on 02/13/2009 14:47:11
Morning all.
Comment by Raine on 02/13/2009 14:48:39
Raine on 02/13/2009 14:48:39
Wow... this guy isn't even a GOOD winger! 
Comment by Raine on 02/13/2009 14:49:37
Raine on 02/13/2009 14:49:37
Oh SURE... MSNBC is a Dem organization... With that Joe Scarborough at the helm.
Comment by wickedpam on 02/13/2009 14:49:42
wickedpam on 02/13/2009 14:49:42
Comment by 
starling310 on 02/13/2009 14:49:42
starling310 on 02/13/2009 14:49:42
YAY JIM!
Comment by wickedpam on 02/13/2009 14:50:31
wickedpam on 02/13/2009 14:50:31
It's taxation without representation!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Comment by wickedpam on 02/13/2009 14:50:51
wickedpam on 02/13/2009 14:50:51
Comment by Raine on 02/13/2009 14:51:15
Raine on 02/13/2009 14:51:15
I'd rather have A Rye than Pumpernickel...
Comment by wickedpam on 02/13/2009 14:51:56
wickedpam on 02/13/2009 14:51:56
A singuler Democrat is a Democrat the party is the DemocratIC party.
Comment by Random on 02/13/2009 14:53:50
Random on 02/13/2009 14:53:50
Sounds interesting...hm...i've found that it's not that much fun for Random in this room now that he doesn't listen live anymore.
Comment by Raine on 02/13/2009 14:56:11
Are you working every morning now?
Raine on 02/13/2009 14:56:11
Quote by Random:
Sounds interesting...hm...i've found that it's not that much fun for Random in this room now that he doesn't listen live anymore.
Comment by wickedpam on 02/13/2009 14:57:20
YOu can add your own dialogue ;)
wickedpam on 02/13/2009 14:57:20
Quote by Random:
Sounds interesting...hm...i've found that it's not that much fun for Random in this room now that he doesn't listen live anymore.
YOu can add your own dialogue ;)
Comment by Random on 02/13/2009 14:57:28
Oh, no. I work afternoons, so I have like the last half of yesterday's podcast, I listen to that, then get that days, and listen to that.
Random on 02/13/2009 14:57:28
Quote by Raine:Are you working every morning now?Quote by Random:
Sounds interesting...hm...i've found that it's not that much fun for Random in this room now that he doesn't listen live anymore.
Oh, no. I work afternoons, so I have like the last half of yesterday's podcast, I listen to that, then get that days, and listen to that.
Comment by Raine on 02/13/2009 14:58:44
Raine on 02/13/2009 14:58:44
So you know what? you should listen along with the show Random!
Comment by Random on 02/13/2009 15:00:05
Well, ever since you got me creating characters yesterday, my mind's been on little else :p
Random on 02/13/2009 15:00:05
Quote by wickedpam:Quote by Random:
Sounds interesting...hm...i've found that it's not that much fun for Random in this room now that he doesn't listen live anymore.
YOu can add your own dialogue ;)
Well, ever since you got me creating characters yesterday, my mind's been on little else :p
Comment by Random on 02/13/2009 15:00:59
Well, if i did that, then I'd have nothing to listen to in the last half of my work day, and frankly...i need something to listen too.
Random on 02/13/2009 15:00:59
Quote by Raine:
So you know what? you should listen along with the show Random!
Well, if i did that, then I'd have nothing to listen to in the last half of my work day, and frankly...i need something to listen too.
Comment by wickedpam on 02/13/2009 15:01:29
lol
Its addictive - btw I let Anime know you were going to send her something - she was tired yesterday so she wasn't online until late last night
wickedpam on 02/13/2009 15:01:29
Quote by Random:Quote by wickedpam:Quote by Random:
Sounds interesting...hm...i've found that it's not that much fun for Random in this room now that he doesn't listen live anymore.
YOu can add your own dialogue ;)
Well, ever since you got me creating characters yesterday, my mind's been on little else :p
lol
Its addictive - btw I let Anime know you were going to send her something - she was tired yesterday so she wasn't online until late last night
Comment by Raine on 02/13/2009 15:02:13
Joe the Plumber interview DeMint and Colburn regarding the Stimulus package.
No, really...
Raine on 02/13/2009 15:02:13
Joe the Plumber interview DeMint and Colburn regarding the Stimulus package.
No, really...
I mean, I cut cable when I realize that I’m not making enough money to cover my bills, I use coupons. Shouldn’t we expect the government to cut some programs?
Comment by TriSec on 02/13/2009 15:07:15
TriSec on 02/13/2009 15:07:15
Random, I haven't listened all week; not feeling like I'm missing much. (there's other things out there to listen to, and the RW is a singular cacophony. I know what the wingers are talking about without having to listen most of the time.)
Now drinking some Official Blog Tea® and listening to the symphony. (Which has been nothing but pure joy to me since November 4.)
Now drinking some Official Blog Tea® and listening to the symphony. (Which has been nothing but pure joy to me since November 4.)
Comment by Random on 02/13/2009 15:08:38
WEll, i did send you the character sheets for yours last night. And that's basically the characters i'll try and use for Anime as well, just with a few tweaks with backstory and personality.
Random on 02/13/2009 15:08:38
Quote by wickedpam:Quote by Random:Quote by wickedpam:Quote by Random:
Sounds interesting...hm...i've found that it's not that much fun for Random in this room now that he doesn't listen live anymore.
YOu can add your own dialogue ;)
Well, ever since you got me creating characters yesterday, my mind's been on little else :p
lol
WEll, i did send you the character sheets for yours last night. And that's basically the characters i'll try and use for Anime as well, just with a few tweaks with backstory and personality.
Comment by Raine on 02/13/2009 15:10:19
Raine on 02/13/2009 15:10:19
I have no idea how to change my ringtome. None at all.
Comment by Mondobubba on 02/13/2009 15:10:53
Mondobubba on 02/13/2009 15:10:53
:rofl: Chris with the innocence and stuff.
Chris with the innocence and stuff.
Comment by Raine on 02/13/2009 15:11:24
Raine on 02/13/2009 15:11:24
oh dear...
That is a bad song name for dear Rebekeh...
That is a bad song name for dear Rebekeh...
Comment by Mondobubba on 02/13/2009 15:11:57
It is kinda easy, just time consuming and potentially expensive.
Mondobubba on 02/13/2009 15:11:57
Quote by Raine:
I have no idea how to change my ringtome. None at all.
It is kinda easy, just time consuming and potentially expensive.
Comment by wickedpam on 02/13/2009 15:12:19
That's cool - once I re-start mine your in :D
For Anime I would definatly add more details ;)
wickedpam on 02/13/2009 15:12:19
Quote by Random:Quote by wickedpam:Quote by Random:Quote by wickedpam:Quote by Random:
Sounds interesting...hm...i've found that it's not that much fun for Random in this room now that he doesn't listen live anymore.
YOu can add your own dialogue ;)
Well, ever since you got me creating characters yesterday, my mind's been on little else :p
lol
WEll, i did send you the character sheets for yours last night. And that's basically the characters i'll try and use for Anime as well, just with a few tweaks with backstory and personality.
That's cool - once I re-start mine your in :D
For Anime I would definatly add more details ;)
Comment by Raine on 02/13/2009 15:13:51
Raine on 02/13/2009 15:13:51
I just realized that today was the Thirteenth.
Comment by wickedpam on 02/13/2009 15:15:38
yeppers :)
Usually a day of good luck for me
wickedpam on 02/13/2009 15:15:38
Quote by Raine:
I just realized that today was the Thirteenth.
yeppers :)
Usually a day of good luck for me
Comment by Raine on 02/13/2009 15:18:32
Raine on 02/13/2009 15:18:32
:banana: Bust a Move! 
Comment by Raine on 02/13/2009 15:24:34
Raine on 02/13/2009 15:24:34
MONDO!!! 
Comment by Raine on 02/13/2009 15:25:09
Raine on 02/13/2009 15:25:09
Nice! leeching souls!
Comment by Raine on 02/13/2009 15:25:11
Raine on 02/13/2009 15:25:11
Nice! leeching souls!
Comment by Raine on 02/13/2009 15:25:48
Raine on 02/13/2009 15:25:48
I posted that picture last night.. 
Comment by 
BobR on 02/13/2009 15:26:19
Yeah - perhaps I should've written the blog about triskaidekaphobia instead of such a heavy topic.
BobR on 02/13/2009 15:26:19
Quote by Raine:
I just realized that today was the Thirteenth.
Yeah - perhaps I should've written the blog about triskaidekaphobia instead of such a heavy topic.
Comment by starling310 on 02/13/2009 15:27:07
starling310 on 02/13/2009 15:27:07
That was my first thought when I saw C.O.M.
"Plastic surgery much!?"
They probably shouldn't have shown old pictures of her in that interview.
"Plastic surgery much!?"
They probably shouldn't have shown old pictures of her in that interview.
Comment by Mondobubba on 02/13/2009 15:29:24
Evil of his soul leech out of pores. I have to give my cousin props. She came up with the idea. I am going to take it national.
Mondobubba on 02/13/2009 15:29:24
Quote by Raine:
Nice! leeching souls!
Evil of his soul leech out of pores. I have to give my cousin props. She came up with the idea. I am going to take it national.
Comment by wickedpam on 02/13/2009 15:34:47
damn I missed it - stupid HOA duties getting in the way of work and blogging
wickedpam on 02/13/2009 15:34:47
Quote by Raine:
MONDO!!!
damn I missed it - stupid HOA duties getting in the way of work and blogging
Comment by Mondobubba on 02/13/2009 15:40:03
I will repeat just for you, Mala.
The Boner is orange because of the pure evil in his soul leeching out of his pores and reacting with the cleansing power of sunlight and oxygen.
Mondobubba on 02/13/2009 15:40:03
Quote by wickedpam:Quote by Raine:
MONDO!!!
damn I missed it - stupid HOA duties getting in the way of work and blogging
I will repeat just for you, Mala.
The Boner is orange because of the pure evil in his soul leeching out of his pores and reacting with the cleansing power of sunlight and oxygen.
Comment by wickedpam on 02/13/2009 15:43:09
oohhh - sounds logical to me - chemical reactions and all ;)
wickedpam on 02/13/2009 15:43:09
Quote by Mondobubba:Quote by wickedpam:Quote by Raine:
MONDO!!!
damn I missed it - stupid HOA duties getting in the way of work and blogging
I will repeat just for you, Mala.
The Boner is orange because of the pure evil in his soul leeching out of his pores and reacting with the cleansing power of sunlight and oxygen.
oohhh - sounds logical to me - chemical reactions and all ;)
Comment by Mondobubba on 02/13/2009 15:51:26
Yep oxidization!
Mondobubba on 02/13/2009 15:51:26
Quote by wickedpam:Quote by Mondobubba:Quote by wickedpam:Quote by Raine:
MONDO!!!
damn I missed it - stupid HOA duties getting in the way of work and blogging
I will repeat just for you, Mala.
The Boner is orange because of the pure evil in his soul leeching out of his pores and reacting with the cleansing power of sunlight and oxygen.
oohhh - sounds logical to me - chemical reactions and all ;)
Yep oxidization!
Comment by 
livingonli on 02/13/2009 15:52:21
livingonli on 02/13/2009 15:52:21
Good morning everyone. 
Damn, I missed Mondo's call. Poop.
:staggers out of bed:
Damn, I missed Mondo's call. Poop.
:staggers out of bed:
Comment by livingonli on 02/13/2009 15:56:35
It is really pissing me off that the Rethuglicans keep doing that. They will keep insulting then I will insult back. F them.
livingonli on 02/13/2009 15:56:35
Quote by wickedpam:
A singuler Democrat is a Democrat the party is the DemocratIC party.
It is really pissing me off that the Rethuglicans keep doing that. They will keep insulting then I will insult back. F them.
Comment by Mondobubba on 02/13/2009 15:57:48
Mondobubba on 02/13/2009 15:57:48
Jesus what an asshole! Blathering about responsible people not being able to get houses 5, 6, 7 years ago. WTF that is the foundational period of the credit crisis and housing bubble. What a friggin moron.
Comment by livingonli on 02/13/2009 15:59:39
:rofl:
livingonli on 02/13/2009 15:59:39
Quote by wickedpam:Quote by Mondobubba:Quote by wickedpam:Quote by Raine:
MONDO!!!
damn I missed it - stupid HOA duties getting in the way of work and blogging
I will repeat just for you, Mala.
The Boner is orange because of the pure evil in his soul leeching out of his pores and reacting with the cleansing power of sunlight and oxygen.
oohhh - sounds logical to me - chemical reactions and all ;)
:rofl:
Comment by Random on 02/13/2009 16:03:32
Well...<< >> for an RP example, i was gonna do Caylem's escape (in her version, Caylem's parents tried to turn him over to the government), to show how his power works and the like.
Random on 02/13/2009 16:03:32
Quote by wickedpam:Quote by Random:Quote by wickedpam:Quote by Random:Quote by wickedpam:Quote by Random:
Sounds interesting...hm...i've found that it's not that much fun for Random in this room now that he doesn't listen live anymore.
YOu can add your own dialogue ;)
Well, ever since you got me creating characters yesterday, my mind's been on little else :p
lol
WEll, i did send you the character sheets for yours last night. And that's basically the characters i'll try and use for Anime as well, just with a few tweaks with backstory and personality.
That's cool - once I re-start mine your in :D
For Anime I would definatly add more details ;)
Well...<< >> for an RP example, i was gonna do Caylem's escape (in her version, Caylem's parents tried to turn him over to the government), to show how his power works and the like.
Comment by wickedpam on 02/13/2009 16:05:07
I like that idea :)
wickedpam on 02/13/2009 16:05:07
Quote by Random:Quote by wickedpam:Quote by Random:Quote by wickedpam:Quote by Random:Quote by wickedpam:Quote by Random:
Sounds interesting...hm...i've found that it's not that much fun for Random in this room now that he doesn't listen live anymore.
YOu can add your own dialogue ;)
Well, ever since you got me creating characters yesterday, my mind's been on little else :p
lol
WEll, i did send you the character sheets for yours last night. And that's basically the characters i'll try and use for Anime as well, just with a few tweaks with backstory and personality.
That's cool - once I re-start mine your in :D
For Anime I would definatly add more details ;)
Well...<< >> for an RP example, i was gonna do Caylem's escape (in her version, Caylem's parents tried to turn him over to the government), to show how his power works and the like.
I like that idea :)
Comment by Raine on 02/13/2009 16:09:30
Raine on 02/13/2009 16:09:30
BTW...
HAPPY VACATION LIV!
Comment by Random on 02/13/2009 16:09:48
Thanks.
I still would love your opinion on his power.
Random on 02/13/2009 16:09:48
Quote by wickedpam:
I like that idea :)
Thanks.
I still would love your opinion on his power.
Comment by Raine on 02/13/2009 16:10:17
Raine on 02/13/2009 16:10:17
COM is the Vagina that ate California.
Comment by livingonli on 02/13/2009 16:18:33
livingonli on 02/13/2009 16:18:33
This is what is on the XM dial Next to Stephanie Miller on 167;
165-Talk Radio-Glenn Beck.
166-America Right-Laura Ingraham
168-Fox News Talk-Brian and the Judge.
Even on satellite radio, progressive talk is still outnumbered by the righties even without Rush and the Weiner Savage on satellite radio.
165-Talk Radio-Glenn Beck.
166-America Right-Laura Ingraham
168-Fox News Talk-Brian and the Judge.
Even on satellite radio, progressive talk is still outnumbered by the righties even without Rush and the Weiner Savage on satellite radio.
Comment by wickedpam on 02/13/2009 16:19:47
its kinda cool - like how you limited it - does it just altering the size of something or can it ultimatly change an object from one thing to anther?
wickedpam on 02/13/2009 16:19:47
Quote by Random:Quote by wickedpam:
I like that idea :)
Thanks.
I still would love your opinion on his power.
its kinda cool - like how you limited it - does it just altering the size of something or can it ultimatly change an object from one thing to anther?
Comment by wickedpam on 02/13/2009 16:19:47
its kinda cool - like how you limited it - does it just altering the size of something or can it ultimatly change an object from one thing to anther?
wickedpam on 02/13/2009 16:19:47
Quote by Random:Quote by wickedpam:
I like that idea :)
Thanks.
I still would love your opinion on his power.
its kinda cool - like how you limited it - does it just altering the size of something or can it ultimatly change an object from one thing to anther?
Comment by TriSec on 02/13/2009 16:19:49
Why, that reminds me of 12:34:56 7/8/90. Anyone remember that day?
(and I still have a picture in my cellphone of the desk phone reading 8:08 on 08/08/08)
TriSec on 02/13/2009 16:19:49
Quote by Scoopster:
Happy 1234567890 Day!!
Why, that reminds me of 12:34:56 7/8/90. Anyone remember that day?
(and I still have a picture in my cellphone of the desk phone reading 8:08 on 08/08/08)
Comment by Random on 02/13/2009 16:23:02
Well, technically his power allows him to rearrange protons, nuetrons and electrons. So he can change it's size as well as change what it is.
And i thought the limited thing would be good for what is a really powerful power.
Random on 02/13/2009 16:23:02
Quote by wickedpam:Quote by Random:Quote by wickedpam:
I like that idea :)
Thanks.
I still would love your opinion on his power.
its kinda cool - like how you limited it - does it just altering the size of something or can it ultimatly change an object from one thing to anther?
Well, technically his power allows him to rearrange protons, nuetrons and electrons. So he can change it's size as well as change what it is.
And i thought the limited thing would be good for what is a really powerful power.
Comment by 
clintster on 02/13/2009 16:30:11
Well, you have another chance next month; March 13th is another Fridee.
(Ch-ch-ch ah-ah-ah)
clintster on 02/13/2009 16:30:11
Quote by BobR:Quote by Raine:
I just realized that today was the Thirteenth.
Yeah - perhaps I should've written the blog about triskaidekaphobia instead of such a heavy topic.
Well, you have another chance next month; March 13th is another Fridee.
(Ch-ch-ch ah-ah-ah)
Comment by wickedpam on 02/13/2009 16:30:12
limiting is good - we are very anti-godmodding. My main character is a geokinetic so I have to keep her in check too - although she is dead (well right now
)
wickedpam on 02/13/2009 16:30:12
Quote by Random:Quote by wickedpam:Quote by Random:Quote by wickedpam:
I like that idea :)
Thanks.
I still would love your opinion on his power.
its kinda cool - like how you limited it - does it just altering the size of something or can it ultimatly change an object from one thing to anther?
Well, technically his power allows him to rearrange protons, nuetrons and electrons. So he can change it's size as well as change what it is.
And i thought the limited thing would be good for what is a really powerful power.
limiting is good - we are very anti-godmodding. My main character is a geokinetic so I have to keep her in check too - although she is dead (well right now
)
Comment by Random on 02/13/2009 16:35:42
lol, well, dead is a good power check. Course, Ian has no power...so I have no worries with him.
Random on 02/13/2009 16:35:42
Quote by wickedpam:Quote by Random:Quote by wickedpam:Quote by Random:Quote by wickedpam:
I like that idea :)
Thanks.
I still would love your opinion on his power.
its kinda cool - like how you limited it - does it just altering the size of something or can it ultimatly change an object from one thing to anther?
Well, technically his power allows him to rearrange protons, nuetrons and electrons. So he can change it's size as well as change what it is.
And i thought the limited thing would be good for what is a really powerful power.
limiting is good - we are very anti-godmodding. My main character is a geokinetic so I have to keep her in check too - although she is dead (well right now
lol, well, dead is a good power check. Course, Ian has no power...so I have no worries with him.
Comment by Random on 02/13/2009 16:56:21
Random on 02/13/2009 16:56:21
*watches tumble weed*
Well....*pokes blog*
I think it's dead.
Well....*pokes blog*
I think it's dead.
Comment by wickedpam on 02/13/2009 16:58:14
working on presentations ;)
wickedpam on 02/13/2009 16:58:14
working on presentations ;)
Comment by Random on 02/13/2009 17:00:12
Random on 02/13/2009 17:00:12
Presentations?
Tell Tell Tell
*bouncing in seat*
Tell Tell Tell
*bouncing in seat*
Comment by wickedpam on 02/13/2009 17:04:34
wickedpam on 02/13/2009 17:04:34
Just brand prestantions to grocery stores - nothing exciting sadly
Comment by Raine on 02/13/2009 17:06:32
Raine on 02/13/2009 17:06:32
Ok I have a HUGE favor to ask everyone...
you see, Bob and I are going to be away from from the 19th until the First of March.
Sooo --- Would anyone be willing to blog those days? (the exception being Ask A Vet Tuesday)
:pray: please?
you see, Bob and I are going to be away from from the 19th until the First of March.
Sooo --- Would anyone be willing to blog those days? (the exception being Ask A Vet Tuesday)
:pray: please?
Comment by Random on 02/13/2009 17:06:44
Random on 02/13/2009 17:06:44
meany...get my hopes up...
I have a really good reason President Obama should sign the bill.
I have a really good reason President Obama should sign the bill.
Comment by Raine on 02/13/2009 17:07:37
I just spent the better part of yesterday and today looking for a good deal on a Hotel in NYC... Sorry for being remiss.
HEY! Why is Thom a repeat?
Raine on 02/13/2009 17:07:37
Quote by Random:
*watches tumble weed*
Well....*pokes blog*
I think it's dead.
I just spent the better part of yesterday and today looking for a good deal on a Hotel in NYC... Sorry for being remiss.
HEY! Why is Thom a repeat?
Comment by Random on 02/13/2009 17:08:29
Hm...Random's always up for a day or two of Random B.S.
Random on 02/13/2009 17:08:29
Quote by Raine:
Ok I have a HUGE favor to ask everyone...
you see, Bob and I are going to be away from from the 19th until the First of March.
Sooo --- Would anyone be willing to blog those days? (the exception being Ask A Vet Tuesday)
:pray: please?
Hm...Random's always up for a day or two of Random B.S.
Comment by livingonli on 02/13/2009 17:09:00
livingonli on 02/13/2009 17:09:00
I wonder if the idiot right-wing callers to Steph have killed the blog. Me, I was indisposed.
Comment by starling310 on 02/13/2009 17:09:47
I was just thinking the same thing!
Thom is NEVER a repeat. He must be really sick. He usually gets a fill in.
: thom : ------>
starling310 on 02/13/2009 17:09:47
Quote by Raine:Quote by Random:
*watches tumble weed*
Well....*pokes blog*
I think it's dead.
I just spent the better part of yesterday and today looking for a good deal on a Hotel in NYC... Sorry for being remiss.
HEY! Why is Thom a repeat?
I was just thinking the same thing!
Thom is NEVER a repeat. He must be really sick. He usually gets a fill in.
: thom : ------>
Comment by Raine on 02/13/2009 17:10:32
Oh Thank you so much!
We are finally getting to NY to see (and MEET) our Nephew!!!
Raine on 02/13/2009 17:10:32
Quote by Random:Quote by Raine:
Ok I have a HUGE favor to ask everyone...
you see, Bob and I are going to be away from from the 19th until the First of March.
Sooo --- Would anyone be willing to blog those days? (the exception being Ask A Vet Tuesday)
:pray: please?
Hm...Random's always up for a day or two of Random B.S.
We are finally getting to NY to see (and MEET) our Nephew!!!
Comment by Raine on 02/13/2009 17:11:21
He sounded like he was getting sick a bit yesterday.
Raine on 02/13/2009 17:11:21
Quote by starling310:
I was just thinking the same thing!
Thom is NEVER a repeat. He must be really sick. He usually gets a fill in.
: thom : ------>
Comment by Random on 02/13/2009 17:12:55
Cool, just tell me when and where.
Random on 02/13/2009 17:12:55
Quote by Raine:Oh Thank you so much!Quote by Random:Quote by Raine:
Ok I have a HUGE favor to ask everyone...
you see, Bob and I are going to be away from from the 19th until the First of March.
Sooo --- Would anyone be willing to blog those days? (the exception being Ask A Vet Tuesday)
:pray: please?
Hm...Random's always up for a day or two of Random B.S.
We are finally getting to NY to see (and MEET) our Nephew!!!
Cool, just tell me when and where.
Comment by starling310 on 02/13/2009 17:13:15
Gotta be. That's the only way Thom wouldn't get a fill in.
I bet someone pops in for the 2nd and 3rd hour. Thom is on top of things!
starling310 on 02/13/2009 17:13:15
Quote by Raine:He sounded like he was getting sick a bit yesterday.Quote by starling310:
I was just thinking the same thing!
Thom is NEVER a repeat. He must be really sick. He usually gets a fill in.
: thom : ------>
Gotta be. That's the only way Thom wouldn't get a fill in.
I bet someone pops in for the 2nd and 3rd hour. Thom is on top of things!
Comment by starling310 on 02/13/2009 17:15:34
starling310 on 02/13/2009 17:15:34
Happy Sushi Dance -------> 
Yeah, I treated myself! Didn't buy lunch all week so I could save up.
Yeah, I treated myself! Didn't buy lunch all week so I could save up.
Comment by Raine on 02/13/2009 17:18:48
Raine on 02/13/2009 17:18:48
Thom is back live! 
Comment by starling310 on 02/13/2009 17:19:10
starling310 on 02/13/2009 17:19:10
YAY THOM!!!
I knew it...he never takes a day off without a fill in.
Just another on the list of many reasons that I love him.
I knew it...he never takes a day off without a fill in.
Just another on the list of many reasons that I love him.
Comment by Raine on 02/13/2009 17:20:37
Well you can pick what days...
We have the following days to fill:
19
20
23
25
26
27
Raine on 02/13/2009 17:20:37
Quote by Random:
Cool, just tell me when and where.
Well you can pick what days...
We have the following days to fill:
19
20
23
25
26
27
Comment by Random on 02/13/2009 17:26:39
19 and 26 please!
Random on 02/13/2009 17:26:39
Quote by Raine:Quote by Random:
Cool, just tell me when and where.
Well you can pick what days...
We have the following days to fill:
19
20
23
25
26
27
19 and 26 please!
Comment by wickedpam on 02/13/2009 17:28:53
I could probably do some happy shiny bloggy thing for the fridays 20 & 27 ;)
wickedpam on 02/13/2009 17:28:53
Quote by Raine:Quote by Random:
Cool, just tell me when and where.
Well you can pick what days...
We have the following days to fill:
19
20
23
25
26
27
I could probably do some happy shiny bloggy thing for the fridays 20 & 27 ;)
Comment by Scoopster on 02/13/2009 17:33:11
:rolleyes2: Meh.. just another Philip Morris becoming Altria to hide its un-profitable deadly image.
Scoopster on 02/13/2009 17:33:11
Quote by Raine:
Blackwater Dumping it's name.
:rolleyes2: Meh.. just another Philip Morris becoming Altria to hide its un-profitable deadly image.
Comment by Random on 02/13/2009 17:35:05
Ohhh....like Firestone becoming Brimstone(was brimstone, right)
Random on 02/13/2009 17:35:05
Quote by Scoopster:Quote by Raine:
Blackwater Dumping it's name.
:rolleyes2: Meh.. just another Philip Morris becoming Altria to hide its un-profitable deadly image.
Ohhh....like Firestone becoming Brimstone(was brimstone, right)
Comment by livingonli on 02/13/2009 17:35:25
Exactly what I was thinking. God, these criminals really believe in putting lipstick on the pig.
Raine and BobR, sent you an e-mail via the facecrack.
livingonli on 02/13/2009 17:35:25
Quote by Scoopster:Quote by Raine:
Blackwater Dumping it's name.
:rolleyes2: Meh.. just another Philip Morris becoming Altria to hide its un-profitable deadly image.
Exactly what I was thinking. God, these criminals really believe in putting lipstick on the pig.
Raine and BobR, sent you an e-mail via the facecrack.
Comment by Raine on 02/13/2009 17:40:30
Raine on 02/13/2009 17:40:30
COOL!
Well you can pick what days...
We have the following days to fill:
19 : Random
20 : Mala
23 : _________
25 : _________
26 : Random
27 : Mala
Well you can pick what days...
We have the following days to fill:
19 : Random
20 : Mala
23 : _________
25 : _________
26 : Random
27 : Mala
Comment by TriSec on 02/13/2009 17:45:20
TriSec on 02/13/2009 17:45:20
Hey boss, I can fill in a Thursday blog or two if ya need me!
Comment by Raine on 02/13/2009 17:59:21
Well we have Monday and Wednesday left...
Raine on 02/13/2009 17:59:21
Quote by TriSec:
Hey boss, I can fill in a Thursday blog or two if ya need me!
Comment by Scoopster on 02/13/2009 18:03:12
Scoopster on 02/13/2009 18:03:12
Very cool & interesting - a new line of bamboo computer peripherals.
I agree with the one comment there too - why aren't the keyboard's keys made of bamboo as well?
I agree with the one comment there too - why aren't the keyboard's keys made of bamboo as well?
Comment by TriSec on 02/13/2009 18:05:27
TriSec on 02/13/2009 18:05:27
Hell, I can write a Monday blog right now.
*grunt*
You all suck.
Where's my coffee?
*growl*
But that's just me. :P
Lahge Regulah -->
*grunt*
You all suck.
Where's my coffee?
*growl*
But that's just me. :P
Lahge Regulah -->
Comment by livingonli on 02/13/2009 18:16:17
livingonli on 02/13/2009 18:16:17
Oh, Tri. You know you are loved here.
Comment by wickedpam on 02/13/2009 18:16:38
wickedpam on 02/13/2009 18:16:38
Thom! stop depressing me today!!!!!!
Comment by starling310 on 02/13/2009 18:20:22
starling310 on 02/13/2009 18:20:22
Mala - - - try not to be depressed.
Thom is giving us tools by relaying stories like this:
Impact of US plan will be felt slowly
Knowledge is power and if we have this information, we can cite it when people say "The stimulus isn't working. Obama sucks." We can answer them by saying that we knew it would take a while.
Better yet, we get out ahead of those comments, by forewarning people with our newfound knowledge, that the change won't be seen tomorrow and we should be prepared. Seeing nothing obvious change won't be failure...it will be exactly what was expected. We just need to make sure people expect it!
:hug:
Thom is giving us tools by relaying stories like this:
Impact of US plan will be felt slowly
Knowledge is power and if we have this information, we can cite it when people say "The stimulus isn't working. Obama sucks." We can answer them by saying that we knew it would take a while.
Better yet, we get out ahead of those comments, by forewarning people with our newfound knowledge, that the change won't be seen tomorrow and we should be prepared. Seeing nothing obvious change won't be failure...it will be exactly what was expected. We just need to make sure people expect it!
:hug:
Comment by Raine on 02/13/2009 18:22:41
Hmm... I didn't realize that the monday blogs were that grumpy! :D
Raine on 02/13/2009 18:22:41
Quote by TriSec:
Hell, I can write a Monday blog right now.
*grunt*
You all suck.
Where's my coffee?
*growl*
But that's just me. :P
Lahge Regulah -->
Hmm... I didn't realize that the monday blogs were that grumpy! :D
Comment by Raine on 02/13/2009 18:23:27
Raine on 02/13/2009 18:23:27
:star:
you get the best student in the class award today!
you get the best student in the class award today!
Comment by livingonli on 02/13/2009 18:24:26
livingonli on 02/13/2009 18:24:26
For my first day of vacation, I need to go shopping. Must get groceries, gas, and such things.
Comment by starling310 on 02/13/2009 18:29:42
Thank you Ms. Raine.
starling310 on 02/13/2009 18:29:42
Quote by Raine:
:star:
you get the best student in the class award today!
Thank you Ms. Raine.
Comment by wickedpam on 02/13/2009 18:31:22
I know, it just feels like piling on right this second, I mean we haven't even gotten the chance to take the first step to try and fix something.
Knowledge is power but I prefer to respond - "well...your brain has the shell on it" (anyone know where that quote came from? Bulher?)
wickedpam on 02/13/2009 18:31:22
Quote by starling310:
Mala - - - try not to be depressed.
Thom is giving us tools by relaying stories like this:
Impact of US plan will be felt slowly
Knowledge is power and if we have this information, we can cite it when people say "The stimulus isn't working. Obama sucks." We can answer them by saying that we knew it would take a while.
Better yet, we get out ahead of those comments, by forewarning people with our newfound knowledge, that the change won't be seen tomorrow and we should be prepared. Seeing nothing obvious change won't be failure...it will be exactly what was expected. We just need to make sure people expect it!
:hug:
I know, it just feels like piling on right this second, I mean we haven't even gotten the chance to take the first step to try and fix something.
Knowledge is power but I prefer to respond - "well...your brain has the shell on it" (anyone know where that quote came from? Bulher?)
Comment by starling310 on 02/13/2009 18:33:04
shut up Richard. . .
starling310 on 02/13/2009 18:33:04
Quote by wickedpam:Quote by starling310:
Mala - - - try not to be depressed.
Thom is giving us tools by relaying stories like this:
Impact of US plan will be felt slowly
Knowledge is power and if we have this information, we can cite it when people say "The stimulus isn't working. Obama sucks." We can answer them by saying that we knew it would take a while.
Better yet, we get out ahead of those comments, by forewarning people with our newfound knowledge, that the change won't be seen tomorrow and we should be prepared. Seeing nothing obvious change won't be failure...it will be exactly what was expected. We just need to make sure people expect it!
:hug:
I know, it just feels like piling on right this second, I mean we haven't even gotten the chance to take the first step to try and fix something.
Knowledge is power but I prefer to respond - "well...your brain has the shell on it" (anyone know where that quote came from? Bulher?)
shut up Richard. . .
Comment by starling310 on 02/13/2009 18:33:57
starling310 on 02/13/2009 18:33:57
And save Recovery.gov to your favorites now...let's hold everyone accountable!
Comment by wickedpam on 02/13/2009 18:36:07
:lol:
wickedpam on 02/13/2009 18:36:07
Quote by starling310:Quote by wickedpam:Quote by starling310:
Mala - - - try not to be depressed.
Thom is giving us tools by relaying stories like this:
Impact of US plan will be felt slowly
Knowledge is power and if we have this information, we can cite it when people say "The stimulus isn't working. Obama sucks." We can answer them by saying that we knew it would take a while.
Better yet, we get out ahead of those comments, by forewarning people with our newfound knowledge, that the change won't be seen tomorrow and we should be prepared. Seeing nothing obvious change won't be failure...it will be exactly what was expected. We just need to make sure people expect it!
:hug:
I know, it just feels like piling on right this second, I mean we haven't even gotten the chance to take the first step to try and fix something.
Knowledge is power but I prefer to respond - "well...your brain has the shell on it" (anyone know where that quote came from? Bulher?)
shut up Richard. . .
:lol:
Comment by TriSec on 02/13/2009 18:36:55
TriSec on 02/13/2009 18:36:55
A little perspective, hmm?
Here's Bush's Term:
From and including: Saturday, January 20, 2001
To, but not including : Tuesday, January 20, 2009
It is 2922 days from the start date to the end date, but not including the end date
Or 8 years excluding the end date
And here's Obama's:
From and including: Tuesday, January 20, 2009
To, but not including : Friday, February 13, 2009
It is 24 days from the start date to the end date, but not including the end date.
All we did on November 4 was pull the brake handle. It's going to take some time to get back on track, since the track needs to be fixed, then we've got to rebuild the engine, then re-rail the whole thing.
Here's Bush's Term:
From and including: Saturday, January 20, 2001
To, but not including : Tuesday, January 20, 2009
It is 2922 days from the start date to the end date, but not including the end date
Or 8 years excluding the end date
And here's Obama's:
From and including: Tuesday, January 20, 2009
To, but not including : Friday, February 13, 2009
It is 24 days from the start date to the end date, but not including the end date.
All we did on November 4 was pull the brake handle. It's going to take some time to get back on track, since the track needs to be fixed, then we've got to rebuild the engine, then re-rail the whole thing.
Comment by starling310 on 02/13/2009 18:38:36
And sort through all the belongings that went flying when the train hopped the track.
And, restock the Bar Car.
starling310 on 02/13/2009 18:38:36
Quote by TriSec:
A little perspective, hmm?
Here's Bush's Term:
From and including: Saturday, January 20, 2001
To, but not including : Tuesday, January 20, 2009
It is 2922 days from the start date to the end date, but not including the end date
Or 8 years excluding the end date
And here's Obama's:
From and including: Tuesday, January 20, 2009
To, but not including : Friday, February 13, 2009
It is 24 days from the start date to the end date, but not including the end date.
All we did on November 4 was pull the brake handle. It's going to take some time to get back on track, since the track needs to be fixed, then we've got to rebuild the engine, then re-rail the whole thing.
And sort through all the belongings that went flying when the train hopped the track.
And, restock the Bar Car.
Comment by starling310 on 02/13/2009 18:45:02
starling310 on 02/13/2009 18:45:02
Oh Thom...
Be still my heart...
Be still my heart...
Comment by starling310 on 02/13/2009 18:46:47
starling310 on 02/13/2009 18:46:47
: thom : "We now own your ass!
: steph's mom : "Oh dear."
: steph's mom : "Oh dear."
Comment by Scoopster on 02/13/2009 18:48:39
Before we restock the bar car, we'll have to sort through all the empty bottles Dubya left behind and dry-patch the holes in the wall from Cheney's shotgun.
Scoopster on 02/13/2009 18:48:39
Quote by starling310:Quote by TriSec:
A little perspective, hmm?
Here's Bush's Term:
From and including: Saturday, January 20, 2001
To, but not including : Tuesday, January 20, 2009
It is 2922 days from the start date to the end date, but not including the end date
Or 8 years excluding the end date
And here's Obama's:
From and including: Tuesday, January 20, 2009
To, but not including : Friday, February 13, 2009
It is 24 days from the start date to the end date, but not including the end date.
All we did on November 4 was pull the brake handle. It's going to take some time to get back on track, since the track needs to be fixed, then we've got to rebuild the engine, then re-rail the whole thing.
And sort through all the belongings that went flying when the train hopped the track.
And, restock the Bar Car.
Before we restock the bar car, we'll have to sort through all the empty bottles Dubya left behind and dry-patch the holes in the wall from Cheney's shotgun.
Comment by Mondobubba on 02/13/2009 18:56:19
Because bamboo splits really easily when it is under repeated impact if it is as thin as the plastic on keyboard keys.
Mondobubba on 02/13/2009 18:56:19
Quote by Scoopster:
Very cool & interesting - a new line of bamboo computer peripherals.
I agree with the one comment there too - why aren't the keyboard's keys made of bamboo as well?
Because bamboo splits really easily when it is under repeated impact if it is as thin as the plastic on keyboard keys.
Comment by starling310 on 02/13/2009 18:58:01
starling310 on 02/13/2009 18:58:01
I want Thom to come and live on my bookshelf.
Comment by starling310 on 02/13/2009 19:12:11
starling310 on 02/13/2009 19:12:11
They may be fat, but they're not healthy. . . all that red meat and whiskey? No way that's good for the heart.
Comment by TriSec on 02/13/2009 19:14:23
What? Are you disparaging my choice of diet and beverage again?
Say, why does my left arm tingle like that?
:mmmmmph!:
:thud:
TriSec on 02/13/2009 19:14:23
Quote by starling310:
They may be fat, but they're not healthy. . . all that red meat and whiskey? No way that's good for the heart.
What? Are you disparaging my choice of diet and beverage again?
Say, why does my left arm tingle like that?
:mmmmmph!:
:thud:
Comment by starling310 on 02/13/2009 19:15:51
TRI!
TRI!
:: pounds chest ::
RAINE! Get me a tofu I.V. stat!
starling310 on 02/13/2009 19:15:51
Quote by TriSec:Quote by starling310:
They may be fat, but they're not healthy. . . all that red meat and whiskey? No way that's good for the heart.
What? Are you disparaging my choice of diet and beverage again?
Say, why does my left arm tingle like that?
:mmmmmph!:
:thud:
TRI!
TRI!
:: pounds chest ::
RAINE! Get me a tofu I.V. stat!
Comment by Raine on 02/13/2009 19:25:28
Do you need a thorocotomy tray as well?
Raine on 02/13/2009 19:25:28
Quote by starling310:Quote by TriSec:Quote by starling310:
They may be fat, but they're not healthy. . . all that red meat and whiskey? No way that's good for the heart.
What? Are you disparaging my choice of diet and beverage again?
Say, why does my left arm tingle like that?
:mmmmmph!:
:thud:
TRI!
TRI!
:: pounds chest ::
RAINE! Get me a tofu I.V. stat!
Do you need a thorocotomy tray as well?
Comment by Mondobubba on 02/13/2009 19:25:31
Mondobubba on 02/13/2009 19:25:31
You know the bamboo keyboard is all fancy, but here is what I want:
IBM Model M Best.Keyboard.Evah!
I'm not talking about key layout here, Tri. I'm sure you can get one in preferred Dvorak style. I am talk about the way that baby is built. Springs on each key, it doesn't feel mushy. :geek:
(Mondo has made an edit of the photo for size constraints, also it is a pseudo tintype steam punk thing for Mala and Random)
IBM Model M Best.Keyboard.Evah!
I'm not talking about key layout here, Tri. I'm sure you can get one in preferred Dvorak style. I am talk about the way that baby is built. Springs on each key, it doesn't feel mushy. :geek:
(Mondo has made an edit of the photo for size constraints, also it is a pseudo tintype steam punk thing for Mala and Random)
Comment by starling310 on 02/13/2009 19:27:24
What does that mean exactly?
You won't be able to hear her unless you live in Florida?
starling310 on 02/13/2009 19:27:24
Quote by Raine:
MeThinks Randi is not returning.
What does that mean exactly?
You won't be able to hear her unless you live in Florida?
Comment by Mondobubba on 02/13/2009 19:27:27
This will bring him back! :stuff earbuds in Tri's ears, plays "So What" LOUD: If this doesn't bring him back, I don't know what will.
Mondobubba on 02/13/2009 19:27:27
Quote by Raine:Quote by starling310:Quote by TriSec:Quote by starling310:
They may be fat, but they're not healthy. . . all that red meat and whiskey? No way that's good for the heart.
What? Are you disparaging my choice of diet and beverage again?
Say, why does my left arm tingle like that?
:mmmmmph!:
:thud:
TRI!
TRI!
:: pounds chest ::
RAINE! Get me a tofu I.V. stat!
Do you need a thorocotomy tray as well?
This will bring him back! :stuff earbuds in Tri's ears, plays "So What" LOUD: If this doesn't bring him back, I don't know what will.
Comment by Raine on 02/13/2009 19:28:59
Raine on 02/13/2009 19:28:59
NYT NEWS ALERT: House Passes $787 Billion Economic Stimulus Bill With No Republican Support
Comment by Raine on 02/13/2009 19:30:15
that is what is sounding like. Hopefully she will stream her show. :(
As annoying as she can be, I still like her show.
Raine on 02/13/2009 19:30:15
Quote by starling310:Quote by Raine:
MeThinks Randi is not returning.
What does that mean exactly?
You won't be able to hear her unless you live in Florida?
that is what is sounding like. Hopefully she will stream her show. :(
As annoying as she can be, I still like her show.
Comment by starling310 on 02/13/2009 19:32:17
Oh. Totally. She's an arrogant bastid. . . but, she knows her sh*t.
starling310 on 02/13/2009 19:32:17
Quote by Raine:Quote by starling310:Quote by Raine:
MeThinks Randi is not returning.
What does that mean exactly?
You won't be able to hear her unless you live in Florida?
that is what is sounding like. Hopefully she will stream her show. :(
As annoying as she can be, I still like her show.
Oh. Totally. She's an arrogant bastid. . . but, she knows her sh*t.
Comment by Mondobubba on 02/13/2009 19:32:18
I mentioned this yesterday, here's a quote from the article:
"Its still not clear how a mugging with political overtones in New York which Air America reported squares with her ultimate story that she left an Irish Pub after several hours of drinking and isn’t sure what happened next."
These are the "technical difficulties" Randi---->
: 
Sorry there is no pull the plug emoticon. Plus I am just speculatating baselessly.
Mondobubba on 02/13/2009 19:32:18
Quote by starling310:Quote by Raine:
MeThinks Randi is not returning.
What does that mean exactly?
You won't be able to hear her unless you live in Florida?
I mentioned this yesterday, here's a quote from the article:
"Its still not clear how a mugging with political overtones in New York which Air America reported squares with her ultimate story that she left an Irish Pub after several hours of drinking and isn’t sure what happened next."
These are the "technical difficulties" Randi---->
: Sorry there is no pull the plug emoticon. Plus I am just speculatating baselessly.
Comment by starling310 on 02/13/2009 19:34:09
starling310 on 02/13/2009 19:34:09
WHERE'S RANDI?
Comment by Raine on 02/13/2009 19:34:19
Raine on 02/13/2009 19:34:19
Comment by starling310 on 02/13/2009 19:39:58
starling310 on 02/13/2009 19:39:58
I just wish they'd tell us what's up one way or another.
This is like the morning I woke up and Dee Snider was just gone; no explanation. And, "Bubba the LoveSponge" had taken his place.
:thud:
This is like the morning I woke up and Dee Snider was just gone; no explanation. And, "Bubba the LoveSponge" had taken his place.
:thud:
Comment by starling310 on 02/13/2009 19:41:35
starling310 on 02/13/2009 19:41:35
Does Thom carry around an extra brain? How does he remember all this stuff?
Comment by starling310 on 02/13/2009 19:41:55
starling310 on 02/13/2009 19:41:55
thom's extra brain -----> 
Comment by Raine on 02/13/2009 19:43:25
What does that have to do with anything? Really.
I find that a little unfair -- even if it is speculation. You may not like her style, but I really don't think that incident has anything to do with why she is not on the air right now.
Nor should it be reason to take someone off the air.
Raine on 02/13/2009 19:43:25
Quote by Mondobubba:
I mentioned this yesterday, here's a quote from the article:
"Its still not clear how a mugging with political overtones in New York which Air America reported squares with her ultimate story that she left an Irish Pub after several hours of drinking and isn’t sure what happened next."
These are the "technical difficulties" Randi---->
Sorry there is no pull the plug emoticon. Plus I am just speculatating baselessly.
What does that have to do with anything? Really.
I find that a little unfair -- even if it is speculation. You may not like her style, but I really don't think that incident has anything to do with why she is not on the air right now.
Nor should it be reason to take someone off the air.
Comment by starling310 on 02/13/2009 19:45:58
My opinion is, it's just more Progressive Radio Disorganization B.S.!!!
starling310 on 02/13/2009 19:45:58
Quote by Raine:Quote by Mondobubba:
I mentioned this yesterday, here's a quote from the article:
"Its still not clear how a mugging with political overtones in New York which Air America reported squares with her ultimate story that she left an Irish Pub after several hours of drinking and isn’t sure what happened next."
These are the "technical difficulties" Randi---->
Sorry there is no pull the plug emoticon. Plus I am just speculatating baselessly.
What does that have to do with anything? Really.
I find that a little unfair -- even if it is speculation. You may not like her style, but I really don't think that incident has anything to do with why she is not on the air right now.
Nor should it be reason to take someone off the air.
My opinion is, it's just more Progressive Radio Disorganization B.S.!!!
Comment by Raine on 02/13/2009 19:46:47
Her last day on the Air she was talking about Rush and that ClearChannel had fired a shitload of employees. She also mentioned that she had information regarding Limbaugh... Then Monday she was gone.
I don't know what is going on,,, but I think those technical issues are really legal ones.
Raine on 02/13/2009 19:46:47
Quote by starling310:
I just wish they'd tell us what's up one way or another.
This is like the morning I woke up and Dee Snider was just gone; no explanation. And, "Bubba the LoveSponge" had taken his place.
:thud:
Her last day on the Air she was talking about Rush and that ClearChannel had fired a shitload of employees. She also mentioned that she had information regarding Limbaugh... Then Monday she was gone.
I don't know what is going on,,, but I think those technical issues are really legal ones.
Comment by Mondobubba on 02/13/2009 19:52:53
I was being a bit snarky yes, that is my style. Didn't mean to offend. If Randi does have issues with the bottle I hope she gets the help she needs to overcome it.
Mondobubba on 02/13/2009 19:52:53
Quote by Raine:Quote by Mondobubba:
I mentioned this yesterday, here's a quote from the article:
"Its still not clear how a mugging with political overtones in New York which Air America reported squares with her ultimate story that she left an Irish Pub after several hours of drinking and isn’t sure what happened next."
These are the "technical difficulties" Randi---->
Sorry there is no pull the plug emoticon. Plus I am just speculatating baselessly.
What does that have to do with anything? Really.
I find that a little unfair -- even if it is speculation. You may not like her style, but I really don't think that incident has anything to do with why she is not on the air right now.
Nor should it be reason to take someone off the air.
I was being a bit snarky yes, that is my style. Didn't mean to offend. If Randi does have issues with the bottle I hope she gets the help she needs to overcome it.
Comment by starling310 on 02/13/2009 19:53:17
Randi is the black sheep for sure. It seems like everyone else can say what they want, but she always runs into trouble.
Sure, she's abrasive and can be a complete b*tch. But, these people know who she is when they hire her. And, she's no worse than anyone else out there.
It's B.S.
starling310 on 02/13/2009 19:53:17
Quote by Raine:Quote by starling310:
I just wish they'd tell us what's up one way or another.
This is like the morning I woke up and Dee Snider was just gone; no explanation. And, "Bubba the LoveSponge" had taken his place.
:thud:
Her last day on the Air she was talking about Rush and that ClearChannel had fired a shitload of employees. She also mentioned that she had information regarding Limbaugh... Then Monday she was gone.
I don't know what is going on,,, but I think those technical issues are really legal ones.
Randi is the black sheep for sure. It seems like everyone else can say what they want, but she always runs into trouble.
Sure, she's abrasive and can be a complete b*tch. But, these people know who she is when they hire her. And, she's no worse than anyone else out there.
It's B.S.
Comment by Scoopster on 02/13/2009 19:53:21
And the keyclicks echo like gunshots! Less Q_Q, more pew pew!
Scoopster on 02/13/2009 19:53:21
Quote by Mondobubba:
You know the bamboo keyboard is all fancy, but here is what I want:
IBM Model M Best.Keyboard.Evah!
I'm not talking about key layout here, Tri. I'm sure you can get one in preferred Dvorak style. I am talk about the way that baby is built. Springs on each key, it doesn't feel mushy. :geek:
And the keyclicks echo like gunshots!
Less Q_Q, more pew pew!
Comment by starling310 on 02/13/2009 19:56:17
Is this for ReAL?!? I just looked on Amazon.co.uk and didn't see anything by that name.
Hmmm..
starling310 on 02/13/2009 19:56:17
Quote by Raine:
I am sickened.
Amazon is selling a rape Simulation Game.
Is this for ReAL?!? I just looked on Amazon.co.uk and didn't see anything by that name.
Hmmm..
Comment by starling310 on 02/13/2009 19:58:59
Looks like they dropped the sale of the game.
Amazon drops game
starling310 on 02/13/2009 19:58:59
Quote by starling310:Quote by Raine:
I am sickened.
Amazon is selling a rape Simulation Game.
Is this for ReAL?!? I just looked on Amazon.co.uk and didn't see anything by that name.
Hmmm..
Looks like they dropped the sale of the game.
Amazon drops game
Comment by Mondobubba on 02/13/2009 19:59:23
That is radio, they will fire your ass if your rating slip or can figure out how to something cheaper (Clear Channel). I the case of Bubba, CC wanted to do everything on the cheap. Cause if you have one morning guy with an engineer and producer in one place that means you don't to have the them at all the rock stations you own. All you have is board ops who make maybe 10 bucks an hour. See you do "more with less" and end up with a cheap, shitty product.
Mondobubba on 02/13/2009 19:59:23
Quote by starling310:
I just wish they'd tell us what's up one way or another.
This is like the morning I woke up and Dee Snider was just gone; no explanation. And, "Bubba the LoveSponge" had taken his place.
:thud:
That is radio, they will fire your ass if your rating slip or can figure out how to something cheaper (Clear Channel). I the case of Bubba, CC wanted to do everything on the cheap. Cause if you have one morning guy with an engineer and producer in one place that means you don't to have the them at all the rock stations you own. All you have is board ops who make maybe 10 bucks an hour. See you do "more with less" and end up with a cheap, shitty product.
Comment by Raine on 02/13/2009 19:59:48
Raine on 02/13/2009 19:59:48
Also from that same blog
More information is emerging about the technicalities of the word “technical” that are being used by Anita Drobny and Nova-M radio as an excuse for Rhodes absence from her nationally syndicated show. “It is not an NSF issue,” said a source familiar with the situation at WJNO, where Rhodes originates her show via ISDN connection to the greater Phoenix Nova-M facilities where it is satellite uplinked to affiliated stations.
The new information confirms that Premiere (the Clear-Channel owned syndicator that distributes Rush Limbaugh) will not be involved in distributing the Rhodes program. It contradicts an earlier report that Rhodes will return as a Clear Channel employee hosting a local program. Radio & Records is reporting that the “technical” dispute is a contractual issue, which is echoed at the LTR blog: “Negotiations are reportedly completely amicable with both sides determined to get Rhodes back on the air as soon as possible.”
Her studio in the West Palm Beach Clear Channel cluster is available and unused, writes a knowledgeable source, “Whenever [Rhodes] and Nova-M decide she can put her ass in the seat, it’s waiting for her.”
Comment by Random on 02/13/2009 20:03:00
Random on 02/13/2009 20:03:00
So Randi's tech issues is that her Contract with Nova-M ran out?
Comment by Raine on 02/13/2009 20:03:02
Thank god. That is one of the more disturbing things I have ever seen.
Raine on 02/13/2009 20:03:02
Quote by starling310:
Looks like they dropped the sale of the game.
Amazon drops game
Thank god. That is one of the more disturbing things I have ever seen.
Comment by Mondobubba on 02/13/2009 20:03:32
This is why I find Japanese pop culture so totally creepy. Good on the Belfast Telegraph for reporting on it. Shameful that Amazon was trying to sell it outside of Japan.
Mondobubba on 02/13/2009 20:03:32
Quote by starling310:Quote by starling310:Quote by Raine:
I am sickened.
Amazon is selling a rape Simulation Game.
Is this for ReAL?!? I just looked on Amazon.co.uk and didn't see anything by that name.
Hmmm..
Looks like they dropped the sale of the game.
Amazon drops game
This is why I find Japanese pop culture so totally creepy. Good on the Belfast Telegraph for reporting on it. Shameful that Amazon was trying to sell it outside of Japan.
Comment by Raine on 02/13/2009 20:03:48
It looks like ClearChannel won't be broadcasting her.
Raine on 02/13/2009 20:03:48
Quote by Random:
So Randi's tech issues is that her Contract with Nova-M ran out?
It looks like ClearChannel won't be broadcasting her.
Comment by Scoopster on 02/13/2009 20:04:39
Hmm.. yeah I had a feeling this was a JP rpg-type game. It's tough to explain, but rape fantasy is a somewhat open subject in Japanese culture, and is somewhat common in anime/manga. It doesn't surprise me too much to see a game along those lines.
But the problem here is that someone made a English-language page, which opened up the door to this kind of scrutiny.
Scoopster on 02/13/2009 20:04:39
Quote by starling310:Quote by Raine:
I am sickened.
Amazon is selling a rape Simulation Game.
Is this for ReAL?!? I just looked on Amazon.co.uk and didn't see anything by that name.
Hmmm..
Hmm.. yeah I had a feeling this was a JP rpg-type game. It's tough to explain, but rape fantasy is a somewhat open subject in Japanese culture, and is somewhat common in anime/manga. It doesn't surprise me too much to see a game along those lines.
But the problem here is that someone made a English-language page, which opened up the door to this kind of scrutiny.
Comment by Random on 02/13/2009 20:06:46
And of course now we, the prudish American/English culture get another reason to denounce stuff from Japan as weird and Immorral.
Fun huh?
Random on 02/13/2009 20:06:46
Quote by Scoopster:Quote by starling310:Quote by Raine:
I am sickened.
Amazon is selling a rape Simulation Game.
Is this for ReAL?!? I just looked on Amazon.co.uk and didn't see anything by that name.
Hmmm..
Hmm.. yeah I had a feeling this was a JP rpg-type game. It's tough to explain, but rape fantasy is a somewhat open subject in Japanese culture, and is somewhat common in anime/manga. It doesn't surprise me too much to see a game along those lines.
But the problem here is that someone made a English-language page, which opened up the door to this kind of scrutiny.
And of course now we, the prudish American/English culture get another reason to denounce stuff from Japan as weird and Immorral.
Fun huh?
Comment by Raine on 02/13/2009 20:08:03
Raine on 02/13/2009 20:08:03
ok, NOW nancy just stepped on it big time.
She didn't do the bounce!
She didn't do the bounce!
Comment by starling310 on 02/13/2009 20:08:49
That was really disturbing.
Of course I wonder if it's any worse than American games that, let's be honest, "simulate killing."
I guess it is, but you get my point.
starling310 on 02/13/2009 20:08:49
Quote by Raine:Quote by starling310:
Looks like they dropped the sale of the game.
Amazon drops game
Thank god. That is one of the more disturbing things I have ever seen.
That was really disturbing.
Of course I wonder if it's any worse than American games that, let's be honest, "simulate killing."
I guess it is, but you get my point.
Comment by Mondobubba on 02/13/2009 20:11:21
They are so frickin' loud I love that! Plus they are built to last forever! Sadly the guy that owns the right to the model M is loosing money hand over fist no one wants to pay $69.00 for keyboard and there is almost no repeat business. He hopes to overcome this problem by doing custom/specialty keyboards. Bamboo case with model M guts any one??? :metal:
Here is the NPR story about the model M.
Mondobubba on 02/13/2009 20:11:21
Quote by Scoopster:Quote by Mondobubba:
You know the bamboo keyboard is all fancy, but here is what I want:
(photo redacted for blog size constraints)
IBM Model M Best.Keyboard.Evah!
I'm not talking about key layout here, Tri. I'm sure you can get one in preferred Dvorak style. I am talk about the way that baby is built. Springs on each key, it doesn't feel mushy. :geek:
And the keyclicks echo like gunshots!
They are so frickin' loud I love that! Plus they are built to last forever! Sadly the guy that owns the right to the model M is loosing money hand over fist no one wants to pay $69.00 for keyboard and there is almost no repeat business. He hopes to overcome this problem by doing custom/specialty keyboards. Bamboo case with model M guts any one??? :metal:
Here is the NPR story about the model M.
Comment by starling310 on 02/13/2009 20:12:34
Making a "game" out of Rape Simulation, or Murder simulation is kind of strange.
If that makes me a prude, I will wear that badge.
I am all for openness in sexuality....and fetishes, etc....when they are between consenting adults. Rape doesn't fall into that category...at ALL!
Americans are Puritans in a lot of ways where I would say "lighten up." But, this is different, in my opinion.
starling310 on 02/13/2009 20:12:34
Quote by Random:
And of course now we, the prudish American/English culture get another reason to denounce stuff from Japan as weird and Immorral.
Fun huh?
Making a "game" out of Rape Simulation, or Murder simulation is kind of strange.
If that makes me a prude, I will wear that badge.
I am all for openness in sexuality....and fetishes, etc....when they are between consenting adults. Rape doesn't fall into that category...at ALL!
Americans are Puritans in a lot of ways where I would say "lighten up." But, this is different, in my opinion.
Comment by Scoopster on 02/13/2009 20:14:27
Scoopster on 02/13/2009 20:14:27
...but the Japanese have this huge taboo about showing pubic hair. Go figure.
Comment by Random on 02/13/2009 20:15:47
well, one, i that was more in my general annoyence for people to paint japanese culture as one thing because of games like that. I've had plenty of people think I'm sick because i like manga, anime, Japanese video games.
two, rape is a fetish. usually it's consenting so it's not really rape, but it's play. People get off on it. Don't ask me why.
three, it's a video game. It's not real. It's weird, it's twisted, and not something I'd really think about buying, but in the end it's just a bunch of 1's and 0's.
Random on 02/13/2009 20:15:47
Quote by starling310:Quote by Random:
And of course now we, the prudish American/English culture get another reason to denounce stuff from Japan as weird and Immorral.
Fun huh?
Making a "game" out of Rape Simulation, or Murder simulation is kind of strange.
If that makes me a prude, I will wear that badge.
I am all for openness in sexuality....and fetishes, etc....when they are between consenting adults. Rape doesn't fall into that category...at ALL!
well, one, i that was more in my general annoyence for people to paint japanese culture as one thing because of games like that. I've had plenty of people think I'm sick because i like manga, anime, Japanese video games.
two, rape is a fetish. usually it's consenting so it's not really rape, but it's play. People get off on it. Don't ask me why.
three, it's a video game. It's not real. It's weird, it's twisted, and not something I'd really think about buying, but in the end it's just a bunch of 1's and 0's.
Comment by Random on 02/13/2009 20:17:34
Japanese are different, I'll give them that.
And they're a repressed culture, emotionally, which is why stuff like that rape fantasy game is common. And there are plenty of games, shows, comics, books, that are like that.
Random on 02/13/2009 20:17:34
Quote by Scoopster:
...but the Japanese have this huge taboo about showing pubic hair. Go figure.
Japanese are different, I'll give them that.
And they're a repressed culture, emotionally, which is why stuff like that rape fantasy game is common. And there are plenty of games, shows, comics, books, that are like that.
Comment by Scoopster on 02/13/2009 20:19:35
Scoopster on 02/13/2009 20:19:35
Comment by starling310 on 02/13/2009 20:20:16
Uuuummm.... are you refering to video game land where rape is a "fetish" and is often consenting?
starling310 on 02/13/2009 20:20:16
Quote by Random:Quote by starling310:Quote by Random:
And of course now we, the prudish American/English culture get another reason to denounce stuff from Japan as weird and Immorral.
Fun huh?
Making a "game" out of Rape Simulation, or Murder simulation is kind of strange.
If that makes me a prude, I will wear that badge.
I am all for openness in sexuality....and fetishes, etc....when they are between consenting adults. Rape doesn't fall into that category...at ALL!
well, one, i that was more in my general annoyence for people to paint japanese culture as one thing because of games like that. I've had plenty of people think I'm sick because i like manga, anime, Japanese video games.
two, rape is a fetish. usually it's consenting so it's not really rape, but it's play. People get off on it. Don't ask me why.
three, it's a video game. It's not real. It's weird, it's twisted, and not something I'd really think about buying, but in the end it's just a bunch of 1's and 0's.
Uuuummm.... are you refering to video game land where rape is a "fetish" and is often consenting?
Comment by Raine on 02/13/2009 20:22:19
Raine on 02/13/2009 20:22:19
I must be a prude becuase I find it VERY disturbing.
And Rape NEVER involves consent. PERIOD.
And Rape NEVER involves consent. PERIOD.
Comment by Random on 02/13/2009 20:22:25
no i'm refering to real life where real life people have rape as a "fetish". and usually find other people who have rape as a "fetish" and fulfill their desires. This is most often consenual, being that both parties agree to the act.
Random on 02/13/2009 20:22:25
Quote by starling310:Quote by Random:Quote by starling310:Quote by Random:
And of course now we, the prudish American/English culture get another reason to denounce stuff from Japan as weird and Immorral.
Fun huh?
Making a "game" out of Rape Simulation, or Murder simulation is kind of strange.
If that makes me a prude, I will wear that badge.
I am all for openness in sexuality....and fetishes, etc....when they are between consenting adults. Rape doesn't fall into that category...at ALL!
well, one, i that was more in my general annoyence for people to paint japanese culture as one thing because of games like that. I've had plenty of people think I'm sick because i like manga, anime, Japanese video games.
two, rape is a fetish. usually it's consenting so it's not really rape, but it's play. People get off on it. Don't ask me why.
three, it's a video game. It's not real. It's weird, it's twisted, and not something I'd really think about buying, but in the end it's just a bunch of 1's and 0's.
Uuuummm.... are you refering to video game land where rape is a "fetish" and is often consenting?
no i'm refering to real life where real life people have rape as a "fetish". and usually find other people who have rape as a "fetish" and fulfill their desires. This is most often consenual, being that both parties agree to the act.
Comment by Raine on 02/13/2009 20:23:29
Raine on 02/13/2009 20:23:29
that game kinda gives me the same sick feeling as child porn.
I am not judging anime or any of that... It is a game that has rape simulation. It's disgusting.
:peace:
I am not judging anime or any of that... It is a game that has rape simulation. It's disgusting.
:peace:
Comment by Random on 02/13/2009 20:24:25
Random on 02/13/2009 20:24:25
I've opened my mouth...I shouldn't have.
I'm just going to leave now.
I'm just going to leave now.
Comment by starling310 on 02/13/2009 20:25:28
starling310 on 02/13/2009 20:25:28
Also, Random, my point is that if someone wants 1's and 0's that add up to Rape Simulation, that's their right I suppose. But, in my opinion, it shouldn't be available on an Every Person site like Amazon. If it's a fetish game, it should be labeled as Pornography and sold as such.
Again, I am all for Porn...go for it... have at it. But, until all Porn is sold on Amazon, none should be.
Again, I am all for Porn...go for it... have at it. But, until all Porn is sold on Amazon, none should be.
Comment by Scoopster on 02/13/2009 20:27:20
Kinda like how my ex-fiancee used to te.... errr nvm.
Scoopster on 02/13/2009 20:27:20
Quote by Random:Quote by starling310:Quote by Random:Quote by starling310:Quote by Random:
And of course now we, the prudish American/English culture get another reason to denounce stuff from Japan as weird and Immorral.
Fun huh?
Making a "game" out of Rape Simulation, or Murder simulation is kind of strange.
If that makes me a prude, I will wear that badge.
I am all for openness in sexuality....and fetishes, etc....when they are between consenting adults. Rape doesn't fall into that category...at ALL!
well, one, i that was more in my general annoyence for people to paint japanese culture as one thing because of games like that. I've had plenty of people think I'm sick because i like manga, anime, Japanese video games.
two, rape is a fetish. usually it's consenting so it's not really rape, but it's play. People get off on it. Don't ask me why.
three, it's a video game. It's not real. It's weird, it's twisted, and not something I'd really think about buying, but in the end it's just a bunch of 1's and 0's.
Uuuummm.... are you refering to video game land where rape is a "fetish" and is often consenting?
no i'm refering to real life where real life people have rape as a "fetish". and usually find other people who have rape as a "fetish" and fulfill their desires. This is most often consenual, being that both parties agree to the act.
Kinda like how my ex-fiancee used to te.... errr nvm.
Comment by starling310 on 02/13/2009 20:27:26
Yeah, I guess that's my point.
There is a double standard somewhere though.
My nephew can simulating shooting people all day long and in a way, I think nothing of it. But, if he ever popped this game in, I would flip out!
starling310 on 02/13/2009 20:27:26
Quote by Raine:
that game kinda gives me the same sick feeling as child porn.
I am not judging anime or any of that... It is a game that has rape simulation. It's disgusting.
:peace:
Yeah, I guess that's my point.
There is a double standard somewhere though.
My nephew can simulating shooting people all day long and in a way, I think nothing of it. But, if he ever popped this game in, I would flip out!
Comment by Random on 02/13/2009 20:27:42
Well, that i agree on.
But you can find "porn" like substances on Amazon << >> Random's looked. lol.
And also the article says that the company that made the game doesn't want it sold outside of japan, and probaly isn't available on Amazon.jp.
Now Can I just say I don't really like the game...
Random on 02/13/2009 20:27:42
Quote by starling310:
Also, Random, my point is that if someone wants 1's and 0's that add up to Rape Simulation, that's their right I suppose. But, in my opinion, it shouldn't be available on an Every Person site like Amazon. If it's a fetish game, it should be labeled as Pornography and sold as such.
Again, I am all for Porn...go for it... have at it. But, until all Porn is sold on Amazon, none should be.
Well, that i agree on.
But you can find "porn" like substances on Amazon << >> Random's looked. lol.
And also the article says that the company that made the game doesn't want it sold outside of japan, and probaly isn't available on Amazon.jp.
Now Can I just say I don't really like the game...
Comment by Raine on 02/13/2009 20:28:30
:hug:
Don't go.
Actually, I think you really nailed the issue on the head. It is porn, imo.
Raine on 02/13/2009 20:28:30
Quote by Random:
I've opened my mouth...I shouldn't have.
I'm just going to leave now.
:hug:
Don't go.
Actually, I think
you really nailed the issue on the head. It is porn, imo.
Comment by Random on 02/13/2009 20:28:43
TMI Scoop...and that's coming from someone who won't shut up.
Random on 02/13/2009 20:28:43
Quote by Scoopster:
Kinda like how my ex-fiancee used to te.... errr nvm.
TMI Scoop...and that's coming from someone who won't shut up.
Comment by starling310 on 02/13/2009 20:29:12
starling310 on 02/13/2009 20:29:12
I guess the point is I don't want it in my house, that's for surezies!
Comment by Random on 02/13/2009 20:29:28
...I'm too much of an attention stumpret to go...lol
And of course it's porn...that much is obvious.
Random on 02/13/2009 20:29:28
Quote by Raine:Quote by Random:
I've opened my mouth...I shouldn't have.
I'm just going to leave now.
:hug:
Don't go.
Actually, I think
...I'm too much of an attention stumpret to go...lol
And of course it's porn...that much is obvious.
Comment by Mondobubba on 02/13/2009 20:29:29
Mondobubba on 02/13/2009 20:29:29
Random I suggest you read the works of Natsuo Kirino to get a different take on Japanese culture. She's a Japanese feminist who's novels are harsh critiques on the way Japanese culture values women. Highly readable and very engaging.
Not only is there this rape play fantasy stuff, there is the really icky sexual objectification of teen age girls in Japanese pop culture as well. Its as creepy as the rape stuff. Not many Americans are aware of it and they should be.
The Japanese have stuff they need to answer for like the Rape of Nanjing. To this day despite the mountain of documentation otherwise, the official response is on the lines of, "What the fuck did we do?" There are academics in Japan with very good reputations who with their dying breathes will deny that that the Imperial Army didn't kill almost have the population of the city.
Not only is there this rape play fantasy stuff, there is the really icky sexual objectification of teen age girls in Japanese pop culture as well. Its as creepy as the rape stuff. Not many Americans are aware of it and they should be.
The Japanese have stuff they need to answer for like the Rape of Nanjing. To this day despite the mountain of documentation otherwise, the official response is on the lines of, "What the fuck did we do?" There are academics in Japan with very good reputations who with their dying breathes will deny that that the Imperial Army didn't kill almost have the population of the city.
Comment by Random on 02/13/2009 20:32:39
I really have no response to that. What do you want me to feel? to say? what is the point of imparting that information?
I know about the objecfication of women, and how it's prevelance in japan.
Random on 02/13/2009 20:32:39
Quote by Mondobubba:
Random I suggest you read the works of Natsuo Kirino to get a different take on Japanese culture. She's a Japanese feminist who's novels are harsh critiques on the way Japanese culture values women. Highly readable and very engaging.
Not only is there this rape play fantasy stuff, there is the really icky sexual objectification of teen age girls in Japanese pop culture as well. Its as creepy as the rape stuff. Not many Americans are aware of it and they should be.
The Japanese have stuff they need to answer for like the Rape of Nanjing. To this day despite the mountain of documentation otherwise, the official response is on the lines of, "What the fuck did we do?" There are academics in Japan with very good reputations who with their dying breathes will deny that that the Imperial Army didn't kill almost have the population of the city.
I really have no response to that. What do you want me to feel? to say? what is the point of imparting that information?
I know about the objecfication of women, and how it's prevelance in japan.
Comment by starling310 on 02/13/2009 20:33:26
Yeah. It is.
Maybe we need to reissue the word Porn with a new meaning. Because it can include A LOT more topics.
I remember we had a convo on this board about Playboy, etc. being openly available on bookshelves. This kind of runs along the same lines. But, I don't know...the Rape thing makes it really icky for me.
starling310 on 02/13/2009 20:33:26
Quote by Raine:Quote by Random:
I've opened my mouth...I shouldn't have.
I'm just going to leave now.
:hug:
Don't go.
Actually, I think
Yeah. It is.
Maybe we need to reissue the word Porn with a new meaning. Because it can include A LOT more topics.
I remember we had a convo on this board about Playboy, etc. being openly available on bookshelves. This kind of runs along the same lines. But, I don't know...the Rape thing makes it really icky for me.
Comment by Mondobubba on 02/13/2009 20:33:38
Time for you to sign up with WoW! :rofl: Like that is every gonna happen. 
You know what is more repellent that WoW? WoW nerds talking about it. Thanks for keeping me from taking the plunge Scoop, you saved me from a life of shame.
Mondobubba on 02/13/2009 20:33:38
Quote by Scoopster:
My MMO home for the past few years is on the way out.
Sad Scoopster is sad.
Time for you to sign up with WoW!
:rofl: Like that is every gonna happen. You know what is more repellent that WoW? WoW nerds talking about it. Thanks for keeping me from taking the plunge Scoop, you saved me from a life of shame.
Comment by TriSec on 02/13/2009 20:34:41
TriSec on 02/13/2009 20:34:41
When I was in Manila in 2002, we stood inside the old walled city of Intramurous.
There was an underground storage building that had been used as a dungeon and torture chamber by the Japanese.
In 2002, 60 years after Japan invaded, they were still pulling skeletons out of the cellars and had no idea how many Filipinos had been killed there. Other parts of the city had buildings that were intentionally left un-repaired so the people wouldn't forget.
There was an underground storage building that had been used as a dungeon and torture chamber by the Japanese.
In 2002, 60 years after Japan invaded, they were still pulling skeletons out of the cellars and had no idea how many Filipinos had been killed there. Other parts of the city had buildings that were intentionally left un-repaired so the people wouldn't forget.
Comment by Random on 02/13/2009 20:34:56
two words: WoW sucks.
Random on 02/13/2009 20:34:56
Quote by Mondobubba:Quote by Scoopster:
My MMO home for the past few years is on the way out.
Sad Scoopster is sad.
Time for you to sign up with WoW!
You know what is more repellent that WoW? WoW nerds talking about it. Thanks for keeping me from taking the plunge Scoop, you saved me from a life of shame.
two words: WoW sucks.
Comment by starling310 on 02/13/2009 20:35:22
And, perhaps you're okay with that.
I am stating openly that I'm not.
If that makes me a prude, so be it.
I'm a prude that thinks prostitution should be legal and regulated though. :shrug:
:peace:
starling310 on 02/13/2009 20:35:22
Quote by Random:Quote by Mondobubba:
Random I suggest you read the works of Natsuo Kirino to get a different take on Japanese culture. She's a Japanese feminist who's novels are harsh critiques on the way Japanese culture values women. Highly readable and very engaging.
Not only is there this rape play fantasy stuff, there is the really icky sexual objectification of teen age girls in Japanese pop culture as well. Its as creepy as the rape stuff. Not many Americans are aware of it and they should be.
The Japanese have stuff they need to answer for like the Rape of Nanjing. To this day despite the mountain of documentation otherwise, the official response is on the lines of, "What the fuck did we do?" There are academics in Japan with very good reputations who with their dying breathes will deny that that the Imperial Army didn't kill almost have the population of the city.
I really have no response to that. What do you want me to feel? to say? what is the point of imparting that information?
I know about the objecfication of women, and how it's prevelance in japan.
And, perhaps you're okay with that.
I am stating openly that I'm not.
If that makes me a prude, so be it.
I'm a prude that thinks prostitution should be legal and regulated though. :shrug:
:peace:
Comment by Random on 02/13/2009 20:39:37
good god, I didn't say I was okay with that.
And I'm just a little tired of people assuming things about me.
I called this society Prudish. for many reasons it is, among them prostitution being illegal, pot being illegal, words like fuck and shit declared bad and wrong. Society is Prudish because works of art display nudity so they shouldn't be shown.
Random on 02/13/2009 20:39:37
Quote by starling310:Quote by Random:Quote by Mondobubba:
Random I suggest you read the works of Natsuo Kirino to get a different take on Japanese culture. She's a Japanese feminist who's novels are harsh critiques on the way Japanese culture values women. Highly readable and very engaging.
Not only is there this rape play fantasy stuff, there is the really icky sexual objectification of teen age girls in Japanese pop culture as well. Its as creepy as the rape stuff. Not many Americans are aware of it and they should be.
The Japanese have stuff they need to answer for like the Rape of Nanjing. To this day despite the mountain of documentation otherwise, the official response is on the lines of, "What the fuck did we do?" There are academics in Japan with very good reputations who with their dying breathes will deny that that the Imperial Army didn't kill almost have the population of the city.
I really have no response to that. What do you want me to feel? to say? what is the point of imparting that information?
I know about the objecfication of women, and how it's prevelance in japan.
And, perhaps you're okay with that.
I am stating openly that I'm not.
If that makes me a prude, so be it.
I'm a prude that thinks prostitution should be legal and regulated though. :shrug:
:peace:
good god, I didn't say I was okay with that.
And I'm just a little tired of people assuming things about me.
I called this society Prudish. for many reasons it is, among them prostitution being illegal, pot being illegal, words like fuck and shit declared bad and wrong. Society is Prudish because works of art display nudity so they shouldn't be shown.
Comment by Scoopster on 02/13/2009 20:42:01
I actually tried the 10-day free trial deal that WoW has.
I lasted about 25 minutes. Crappy gameplay and even crappier graphics, confusing quest system.
Scoopster on 02/13/2009 20:42:01
Quote by Random:Quote by Mondobubba:Quote by Scoopster:
My MMO home for the past few years is on the way out.
Sad Scoopster is sad.
Time for you to sign up with WoW!
You know what is more repellent that WoW? WoW nerds talking about it. Thanks for keeping me from taking the plunge Scoop, you saved me from a life of shame.
two words: WoW sucks.
I actually tried the 10-day free trial deal that WoW has.
I lasted about 25 minutes. Crappy gameplay and even crappier graphics, confusing quest system.
Comment by Random on 02/13/2009 20:43:31
Random operates from a simple princible. all MMORPGs suck. You have to come to me and prove otherwise before i trust it.
Random on 02/13/2009 20:43:31
Quote by Scoopster:Quote by Random:Quote by Mondobubba:Quote by Scoopster:
My MMO home for the past few years is on the way out.
Sad Scoopster is sad.
Time for you to sign up with WoW!
You know what is more repellent that WoW? WoW nerds talking about it. Thanks for keeping me from taking the plunge Scoop, you saved me from a life of shame.
two words: WoW sucks.
I actually tried the 10-day free trial deal that WoW has.
I lasted about 25 minutes. Crappy gameplay and even crappier graphics, confusing quest system.
Random operates from a simple princible. all MMORPGs suck. You have to come to me and prove otherwise before i trust it.
Comment by Mondobubba on 02/13/2009 20:44:14
Star I am really with ya on this one. Japan really needs to spend some time on the collective shrink's couch to work through their gender issues. I've got both Out and Grotesque as long as you don't have them forever :poke:
Random what I am saying is it is good you aware of the Japanese creepiness in their gender issues. What I am suggesting you do is read something that is written by a Japanese woman who is a vocal critic of the way Japanese society views and treats women. Plus she is a great writer, even in translation.
Mondobubba on 02/13/2009 20:44:14
Quote by starling310:Quote by Random:Quote by Mondobubba:
Random I suggest you read the works of Natsuo Kirino to get a different take on Japanese culture. She's a Japanese feminist who's novels are harsh critiques on the way Japanese culture values women. Highly readable and very engaging.
Not only is there this rape play fantasy stuff, there is the really icky sexual objectification of teen age girls in Japanese pop culture as well. Its as creepy as the rape stuff. Not many Americans are aware of it and they should be.
The Japanese have stuff they need to answer for like the Rape of Nanjing. To this day despite the mountain of documentation otherwise, the official response is on the lines of, "What the fuck did we do?" There are academics in Japan with very good reputations who with their dying breathes will deny that that the Imperial Army didn't kill almost have the population of the city.
I really have no response to that. What do you want me to feel? to say? what is the point of imparting that information?
I know about the objecfication of women, and how it's prevelance in japan.
And, perhaps you're okay with that.
I am stating openly that I'm not.
If that makes me a prude, so be it.
I'm a prude that thinks prostitution should be legal and regulated though. :shrug:
:peace:
Star I am really with ya on this one. Japan really needs to spend some time on the collective shrink's couch to work through their gender issues. I've got both Out and Grotesque as long as you don't have them forever :poke:
Random what I am saying is it is good you aware of the Japanese creepiness in their gender issues. What I am suggesting you do is read something that is written by a Japanese woman who is a vocal critic of the way Japanese society views and treats women. Plus she is a great writer, even in translation.
Comment by starling310 on 02/13/2009 20:44:20
I'm not assuming anything.
You said you read japanese anime, etc. Buying that stuff could be perceived as a silent endorsement of the content. I'm just going off of what you have stated.
I read your opening comment below about the rape game being a chance for Americans to bash Japanese "culture." So, because I feel that game is abhorrent, I felt that puts me, in your opinion, in that category. That's all my point is.
Maybe I took your initial comment personal, but I felt I needed to defend the "prudes" who might not want their 13 year old being able to buy a game like that.
That's all Random.
starling310 on 02/13/2009 20:44:20
Quote by Random:
good god, I didn't say I was okay with that.
And I'm just a little tired of people assuming things about me.
I called this society Prudish. for many reasons it is, among them prostitution being illegal, pot being illegal, words like fuck and shit declared bad and wrong. Society is Prudish because works of art display nudity so they shouldn't be shown.
I'm not assuming anything.
You said you read japanese anime, etc. Buying that stuff could be perceived as a silent endorsement of the content. I'm just going off of what you have stated.
I read your opening comment below about the rape game being a chance for Americans to bash Japanese "culture." So, because I feel that game is abhorrent, I felt that puts me, in your opinion, in that category. That's all my point is.
Maybe I took your initial comment personal, but I felt I needed to defend the "prudes" who might not want their 13 year old being able to buy a game like that.
That's all Random.
Comment by Random on 02/13/2009 20:46:44
Random on 02/13/2009 20:46:44
Fuck it.
I don't care.
just...fuck it.
I don't care.
just...fuck it.
Comment by Mondobubba on 02/13/2009 20:48:10
Mondobubba on 02/13/2009 20:48:10
Hey you know we've had one of our best Friday afternoons topic wise in a good long time. Everybody pat yourself on the back! We have done well!
Comment by Mondobubba on 02/13/2009 20:51:50
Mondobubba on 02/13/2009 20:51:50
My wise mom sent this to me.
INNER PEACE ...
If you can start the day without caffeine ...
If you can get going without pep pills ...
If you can always be cheerful, ignoring aches and pains ...
If you can resist complaining and boring people with your troubles ...
If you can eat the same food everyday and be grateful for it ...
If you can understand when your loved ones are too busy to give you any time ...
If you can take criticism and blame without resentment ...
If you can resist treating a rich friend better than a poor friend ...
If you can conquer tension without medical help ...
If you can relax without liquor ...
If you can sleep without the aid of drugs ...
... then you are probably the family dog.
Nice work, if you can get it!
INNER PEACE ...
If you can start the day without caffeine ...
If you can get going without pep pills ...
If you can always be cheerful, ignoring aches and pains ...
If you can resist complaining and boring people with your troubles ...
If you can eat the same food everyday and be grateful for it ...
If you can understand when your loved ones are too busy to give you any time ...
If you can take criticism and blame without resentment ...
If you can resist treating a rich friend better than a poor friend ...
If you can conquer tension without medical help ...
If you can relax without liquor ...
If you can sleep without the aid of drugs ...
... then you are probably the family dog.
Nice work, if you can get it!
Comment by Random on 02/13/2009 20:52:11
Random on 02/13/2009 20:52:11
I call society prudes.
because you know what, people are going to look at this story, and look at that game, and think that's all there is. that everything that comes out of japan is sick and perverted.
Plenty of people already think that.
So I'm sorry for defending a culture I've taken some enjoyment out of.
And if i shouldn't enjoy parts of the culture because some parts of it are bad, and wrong, then just fuck it, cause that means I can't enjoy any culture, because none of them are perfect.
So just fuck it.
because you know what, people are going to look at this story, and look at that game, and think that's all there is. that everything that comes out of japan is sick and perverted.
Plenty of people already think that.
So I'm sorry for defending a culture I've taken some enjoyment out of.
And if i shouldn't enjoy parts of the culture because some parts of it are bad, and wrong, then just fuck it, cause that means I can't enjoy any culture, because none of them are perfect.
So just fuck it.
Comment by starling310 on 02/13/2009 20:52:13
Ok.
Fine.
F*ck it.
starling310 on 02/13/2009 20:52:13
Quote by Random:
Fuck it.
I don't care.
just...fuck it.
Ok.
Fine.
F*ck it.
Comment by starling310 on 02/13/2009 20:53:35
Fair enough. I get your point.
Sorry that I addressed a comment you made. I thought that is why we're all here...to have conversations.
starling310 on 02/13/2009 20:53:35
Quote by Random:
I call society prudes.
because you know what, people are going to look at this story, and look at that game, and think that's all there is. that everything that comes out of japan is sick and perverted.
Plenty of people already think that.
So I'm sorry for defending a culture I've taken some enjoyment out of.
And if i shouldn't enjoy parts of the culture because some parts of it are bad, and wrong, then just fuck it, cause that means I can't enjoy any culture, because none of them are perfect.
So just fuck it.
Fair enough. I get your point.
Sorry that I addressed a comment you made. I thought that is why we're all here...to have conversations.
Comment by starling310 on 02/13/2009 20:55:47
I'd just like to point out that now you're making assumptions about what "everyone" will think.
That's why I addressed your comment in the first place.
Just an observation. . .
starling310 on 02/13/2009 20:55:47
Quote by Random:
I call society prudes.
because you know what, people are going to look at this story, and look at that game, and think that's all there is. that everything that comes out of japan is sick and perverted.
Plenty of people already think that.
I'd just like to point out that now you're making assumptions about what "everyone" will think.
That's why I addressed your comment in the first place.
Just an observation. . .
Comment by Random on 02/13/2009 20:58:57
You know what, I chose my words wrong in my comment. From there are on, i felt i needed to defend myself and more and more, And I'm a blood idiot, happy.
My point was, that this just means people, and i won't say every one, since hyperbole is wrong now, will take this as another reason to look at things from japan as sick, and wrong, and twisted.
Cause you know what, a lot of people already do. A lot of people think if it's japanese, it's perveted.
That was all my point was.
Random on 02/13/2009 20:58:57
Quote by starling310:Quote by Random:
I call society prudes.
because you know what, people are going to look at this story, and look at that game, and think that's all there is. that everything that comes out of japan is sick and perverted.
Plenty of people already think that.
I'd just like to point out that now you're making assumptions about what "everyone" will think.
That's why I addressed your comment in the first place.
Just an observation. . .
You know what, I chose my words wrong in my comment. From there are on, i felt i needed to defend myself and more and more, And I'm a blood idiot, happy.
My point was, that this just means people, and i won't say every one, since hyperbole is wrong now, will take this as another reason to look at things from japan as sick, and wrong, and twisted.
Cause you know what, a lot of people already do. A lot of people think if it's japanese, it's perveted.
That was all my point was.
Comment by starling310 on 02/13/2009 21:00:58
I gotcha.
Just don't be so sorry about defending your belief...
It seems like you got angry as soon as someone disagreed with ya.
starling310 on 02/13/2009 21:00:58
Quote by Random:Quote by starling310:Quote by Random:
I call society prudes.
because you know what, people are going to look at this story, and look at that game, and think that's all there is. that everything that comes out of japan is sick and perverted.
Plenty of people already think that.
I'd just like to point out that now you're making assumptions about what "everyone" will think.
That's why I addressed your comment in the first place.
Just an observation. . .
You know what, I chose my words wrong in my comment. From there are on, i felt i needed to defend myself and more and more, And I'm a blood idiot, happy.
My point was, that this just means people, and i won't say every one, since hyperbole is wrong now, will take this as another reason to look at things from japan as sick, and wrong, and twisted.
Cause you know what, a lot of people already do. A lot of people think if it's japanese, it's perveted.
That was all my point was.
I gotcha.
Just don't be so sorry about defending your belief...
It seems like you got angry as soon as someone disagreed with ya.
Comment by Random on 02/13/2009 21:03:27
I'm not sorry about my beliefs. or even defending them. I didn't say sorry. I didn't get angry. I got depressed, i got emotional, i got upset...the fuck it was one of exhaustion, not of anger.
Random on 02/13/2009 21:03:27
Quote by starling310:Quote by Random:Quote by starling310:Quote by Random:
I call society prudes.
because you know what, people are going to look at this story, and look at that game, and think that's all there is. that everything that comes out of japan is sick and perverted.
Plenty of people already think that.
I'd just like to point out that now you're making assumptions about what "everyone" will think.
That's why I addressed your comment in the first place.
Just an observation. . .
You know what, I chose my words wrong in my comment. From there are on, i felt i needed to defend myself and more and more, And I'm a blood idiot, happy.
My point was, that this just means people, and i won't say every one, since hyperbole is wrong now, will take this as another reason to look at things from japan as sick, and wrong, and twisted.
Cause you know what, a lot of people already do. A lot of people think if it's japanese, it's perveted.
That was all my point was.
I gotcha.
Just don't be so sorry about defending your belief...
It seems like you got angry as soon as someone disagreed with ya.
I'm not sorry about my beliefs. or even defending them. I didn't say sorry. I didn't get angry. I got depressed, i got emotional, i got upset...the fuck it was one of exhaustion, not of anger.
Comment by Scoopster on 02/13/2009 21:07:30
Oh I agree with you. I like to think there are things about certain MMOs are I like and things I don't like. For example, I've only tried out three games - FFXI, WoW and WAR.
FFXI has a great battle system, storylines, craft-type systems, missions/quests and team fights, extensive endgame content and the best graphics tho they could use some improvement since the game's six years old. BUT the PvP is boring and is skewed to certain classes, there's lots of RMT abuse, and the company doesn't really care much for the players.
WAR has the best PvP, hands down. And the economic system is great too, similar to FFXI only it really can't be abused by RMT. BUT once your character reaches a certain point, there's no more advancement, and endgame is almost completely PvP so you REALLY need to be into that kinda thing for the game to stay exciting.
WoW... errr well they have the best marketing team.
Scoopster on 02/13/2009 21:07:30
Quote by Random:
Random operates from a simple princible. all MMORPGs suck. You have to come to me and prove otherwise before i trust it.
Oh I agree with you. I like to think there are things about certain MMOs are I like and things I don't like. For example, I've only tried out three games - FFXI, WoW and WAR.
FFXI has a great battle system, storylines, craft-type systems, missions/quests and team fights, extensive endgame content and the best graphics tho they could use some improvement since the game's six years old. BUT the PvP is boring and is skewed to certain classes, there's lots of RMT abuse, and the company doesn't really care much for the players.
WAR has the best PvP, hands down. And the economic system is great too, similar to FFXI only it really can't be abused by RMT. BUT once your character reaches a certain point, there's no more advancement, and endgame is almost completely PvP so you REALLY need to be into that kinda thing for the game to stay exciting.
WoW... errr well they have the best marketing team.
Comment by Mondobubba on 02/13/2009 21:15:22
Mondobubba on 02/13/2009 21:15:22
Addicted to Fake Outrage.
The latest from the mind of Sirota. Have I mentioned today how much I like his work?
The latest from the mind of Sirota. Have I mentioned today how much I like his work?
Comment by Mondobubba on 02/13/2009 21:18:53
Scoop, could you please translate some for the non gamers?
FFXI I got. Final Fantasy XI
WAR?
RMT abuse?
PvP?
Remember you are writing for a "mass audience" here :)
Mondobubba on 02/13/2009 21:18:53
Quote by Scoopster:Quote by Random:
Random operates from a simple princible. all MMORPGs suck. You have to come to me and prove otherwise before i trust it.
Oh I agree with you. I like to think there are things about certain MMOs are I like and things I don't like. For example, I've only tried out three games - FFXI, WoW and WAR.
FFXI has a great battle system, storylines, craft-type systems, missions/quests and team fights, extensive endgame content and the best graphics tho they could use some improvement since the game's six years old. BUT the PvP is boring and is skewed to certain classes, there's lots of RMT abuse, and the company doesn't really care much for the players.
WAR has the best PvP, hands down. And the economic system is great too, similar to FFXI only it really can't be abused by RMT. BUT once your character reaches a certain point, there's no more advancement, and endgame is almost completely PvP so you REALLY need to be into that kinda thing for the game to stay exciting.
WoW... errr well they have the best marketing team.
Scoop, could you please translate some for the non gamers?
FFXI I got. Final Fantasy XI
WAR?
RMT abuse?
PvP?
Remember you are writing for a "mass audience" here :)
Comment by starling310 on 02/13/2009 21:19:16
Bra-Effing-Vo!
So true!!!!
Thanks Mondo.
starling310 on 02/13/2009 21:19:16
Quote by Mondobubba:
Addicted to Fake Outrage.
The latest from the mind of Sirota. Have I mentioned today how much I like his work?
Bra-Effing-Vo!
So true!!!!
Thanks Mondo.
Comment by Mondobubba on 02/13/2009 21:23:24
The Cylon menace must be dealt with. Remember Caprica!
Mondobubba on 02/13/2009 21:23:24
The Cylon menace must be dealt with. Remember Caprica!
Comment by Random on 02/13/2009 21:25:04
wait...FFXI was the MMO? i thought XII was.
No wait...XII just looked like an MMO and played like an MMO. Which made it suck.
Random on 02/13/2009 21:25:04
Quote by Scoopster:Quote by Random:
Random operates from a simple princible. all MMORPGs suck. You have to come to me and prove otherwise before i trust it.
Oh I agree with you. I like to think there are things about certain MMOs are I like and things I don't like. For example, I've only tried out three games - FFXI, WoW and WAR.
FFXI has a great battle system, storylines, craft-type systems, missions/quests and team fights, extensive endgame content and the best graphics tho they could use some improvement since the game's six years old. BUT the PvP is boring and is skewed to certain classes, there's lots of RMT abuse, and the company doesn't really care much for the players.
WAR has the best PvP, hands down. And the economic system is great too, similar to FFXI only it really can't be abused by RMT. BUT once your character reaches a certain point, there's no more advancement, and endgame is almost completely PvP so you REALLY need to be into that kinda thing for the game to stay exciting.
WoW... errr well they have the best marketing team.
wait...FFXI was the MMO? i thought XII was.
No wait...XII just looked like an MMO and played like an MMO. Which made it suck.
Comment by Random on 02/13/2009 21:25:25
Random on 02/13/2009 21:25:25
Woot!
I hit comment 200
I hit comment 200
Comment by Mondobubba on 02/13/2009 21:27:48
I
Sirota. He breaks it down nicely, with great frequency as well. All his stuff refuting the GOP talking points about FDR making the Great Depression longer, GENIUS!
Mondobubba on 02/13/2009 21:27:48
Quote by starling310:Quote by Mondobubba:
Addicted to Fake Outrage.
The latest from the mind of Sirota. Have I mentioned today how much I like his work?
Bra-Effing-Vo!
So true!!!!
Thanks Mondo.
I
Sirota. He breaks it down nicely, with great frequency as well. All his stuff refuting the GOP talking points about FDR making the Great Depression longer, GENIUS!
Comment by Raine on 02/13/2009 21:33:04
WOOHOO!
Raine on 02/13/2009 21:33:04
Quote by Random:
Woot!
I hit comment 200
Comment by Random on 02/13/2009 21:40:47
Random on 02/13/2009 21:40:47
I would like to apologize for his conduct.
I have no excuse for the way I acted, or treated anyone here.
I'm sorry...
I have no excuse for the way I acted, or treated anyone here.
I'm sorry...
Comment by Random on 02/13/2009 21:50:36
Okay...the "Want to meet without preconditions" is funny.
The rest...eh...
The problem is they're just being weird doing that kind of thing.
Course I hate V-Day so...I can hate those things easy.
Random on 02/13/2009 21:50:36
Quote by Raine:
OMG. WTF.
Okay...the "Want to meet without preconditions" is funny.
The rest...eh...
The problem is they're just being weird doing that kind of thing.
Course I hate V-Day so...I can hate those things easy.
Comment by Random on 02/13/2009 22:04:01
Random on 02/13/2009 22:04:01
Conservative top 25 movies
Team america: World Police sits at 24.
Now who says Conservatives don't have a sense of humor?
I mean, if they didn't, how could they choose a movie that makes fun of the psycho left and psycho right at the same time.
ahh...so sweet.
Team america: World Police sits at 24.
Now who says Conservatives don't have a sense of humor?
I mean, if they didn't, how could they choose a movie that makes fun of the psycho left and psycho right at the same time.
ahh...so sweet.
Comment by Raine on 02/13/2009 22:09:45
I agree on Both accounts.
Raine on 02/13/2009 22:09:45
Quote by Random:
The problem is they're just being weird doing that kind of thing.
Course I hate V-Day so...I can hate those things easy.
Comment by Raine on 02/13/2009 22:12:48
I cannot believe Red Dawn wasn't Number one.
Raine on 02/13/2009 22:12:48
Quote by Random:
Conservative top 25 movies
Team america: World Police sits at 24.
Now who says Conservatives don't have a sense of humor?
I mean, if they didn't, how could they choose a movie that makes fun of the psycho left and psycho right at the same time.
ahh...so sweet.
I cannot believe Red Dawn wasn't Number one.
Comment by Raine on 02/13/2009 22:43:35
:thud:
Talk about strawman.
Chezus what a bunch of idiots, really. I am glad this was barred.
Raine on 02/13/2009 22:43:35
Quote by Random:
Pretty Colors from the Catholics.
:thud:
Talk about strawman.
Chezus what a bunch of idiots, really. I am glad this was barred.
Comment by Random on 02/13/2009 23:01:09
Yes...and i thought the Catholics hated Obamer.
Random on 02/13/2009 23:01:09
Quote by Raine:Quote by Random:
Pretty Colors from the Catholics.
:thud:
Talk about strawman.
Chezus what a bunch of idiots, really. I am glad this was barred.
Yes...and i thought the Catholics hated Obamer.
Comment by 
trojanrabbit on 02/13/2009 23:20:30
trojanrabbit on 02/13/2009 23:20:30
I tried to pull a Rebekah today.
The "low fuel" light came on just after I left work (about 40 miles from home).
By the time I got to Needham the needle was below empty.
Filled up with 16.5 gallons (17 gallon tank)
I think the gauge isn't as accurate as it used to be.
The "low fuel" light came on just after I left work (about 40 miles from home).
By the time I got to Needham the needle was below empty.
Filled up with 16.5 gallons (17 gallon tank)
I think the gauge isn't as accurate as it used to be.
Comment by livingonli on 02/13/2009 23:25:04
livingonli on 02/13/2009 23:25:04
I'm back. Did anyone miss me?
Going out to do errands. It is getting too nuts on the roads here. I really would like a good public transit system so that I could get around without necessarily using the car. Either that or I should get a job in Manhattan so I can take the train or bus/subway to work.
I wonder if Clear Channel is trying to ditch Randi because of her attacks on Rush but apparently she needs a new deal with Nova M but then again Manzo was supposedly Randi's boy toy for a while and since he is on the outs with Nova M there could be a lot more involved here.
Going out to do errands. It is getting too nuts on the roads here. I really would like a good public transit system so that I could get around without necessarily using the car. Either that or I should get a job in Manhattan so I can take the train or bus/subway to work.
I wonder if Clear Channel is trying to ditch Randi because of her attacks on Rush but apparently she needs a new deal with Nova M but then again Manzo was supposedly Randi's boy toy for a while and since he is on the outs with Nova M there could be a lot more involved here.
Comment by trojanrabbit on 02/13/2009 23:35:32
What I'm more interested in seeing is as Clear Channel and SiriusXM are swirling down the drain how they're going to handle their big contracts (Limbaugh / Stern)
trojanrabbit on 02/13/2009 23:35:32
Quote by livingonli:
I'm back. Did anyone miss me?
Going out to do errands. It is getting too nuts on the roads here. I really would like a good public transit system so that I could get around without necessarily using the car. Either that or I should get a job in Manhattan so I can take the train or bus/subway to work.
I wonder if Clear Channel is trying to ditch Randi because of her attacks on Rush but apparently she needs a new deal with Nova M but then again Manzo was supposedly Randi's boy toy for a while and since he is on the outs with Nova M there could be a lot more involved here.
What I'm more interested in seeing is as Clear Channel and SiriusXM are swirling down the drain how they're going to handle their big contracts (Limbaugh / Stern)
Comment by livingonli on 02/13/2009 23:41:23
livingonli on 02/13/2009 23:41:23
Limbaugh's show is actually not on satellite radio although Hannity's is. I think they probably make the same deals that a station does for the syndicated shows. I think the only extra is what XM paid Air America for satellite radio exclusivity premerger which may be moot now that XM only airs 4 Air America shows (soon to be 3 when Thom Hartmann leaves). The big contracts are the in-house shows like Stern, O&A, Mad Dog, Oprah, Martha Stewart, etc. and what they pay for the rights to broadcast sporting events like MLB and NFL games.
Comment by trojanrabbit on 02/14/2009 01:18:34
I realize that Oxi-Boy isn't on satellite, I was just drawing a (bad) parallel between two entities in big trouble and their biggest stars.
trojanrabbit on 02/14/2009 01:18:34
Quote by livingonli:
Limbaugh's show is actually not on satellite radio although Hannity's is. I think they probably make the same deals that a station does for the syndicated shows. I think the only extra is what XM paid Air America for satellite radio exclusivity premerger which may be moot now that XM only airs 4 Air America shows (soon to be 3 when Thom Hartmann leaves). The big contracts are the in-house shows like Stern, O&A, Mad Dog, Oprah, Martha Stewart, etc. and what they pay for the rights to broadcast sporting events like MLB and NFL games.
I realize that Oxi-Boy isn't on satellite, I was just drawing a (bad) parallel between two entities in big trouble and their biggest stars.
Comment by livingonli on 02/14/2009 01:30:38
livingonli on 02/14/2009 01:30:38
So, is Steve Doocy the worst so-called "journalist" in the mainstream media. He seems to get caught up hacking a lot of things. He must be in a contest with Bill-O.
Comment by livingonli on 02/14/2009 01:43:44
livingonli on 02/14/2009 01:43:44
Interesting that the Buffalo Sabres telecast runs ads for Tim Horton's. Well, they are close enough to Canada. But are there any Tim Horton's in Detroit?
Comment by livingonli on 02/14/2009 01:56:07
livingonli on 02/14/2009 01:56:07
Karl Rove is on Twitter. Raine, you want to follow him?
Comment by TriSec on 02/14/2009 02:06:38
TriSec on 02/14/2009 02:06:38
Evening, folks.
Back from an early Valentine's dinner. I was working tomorrow, but my shift got cut. (the perils of retail...) Anyway, going out tonight beat tomorrow's crowds...
Trying to decide between studying the chord changes to Afro Blue or studying a snifter of brandy.
The brandy is winning.
Back from an early Valentine's dinner. I was working tomorrow, but my shift got cut. (the perils of retail...) Anyway, going out tonight beat tomorrow's crowds...
Trying to decide between studying the chord changes to Afro Blue or studying a snifter of brandy.
The brandy is winning.
Comment by 
Will in Chicago on 02/14/2009 02:16:49
Will in Chicago on 02/14/2009 02:16:49
It's official. Randi Rhodes is no longer with Nova M Radio.
I expected this, but not so soon. Nor on Friday the 13th.
To all of Randi's listeners;
You are all correct - I have not had the option to disclose what has been happening between Randi and Nova M...
You see, it's in her contract that she has total control, but, after Wednesday night, I want you all to know that Nova M has done everything we can to get her back on the air.
All this is her choice; if she wants to tell you all what the issue is, then I hope she does, but I can't according to her contract rules.
But I can tell you this I have wanted her back on the air. She's an amazing talent and needs to be heard.
Thank you all for all of your support.
Randi now has to make her decisions as to what she must do with her career...
Anita Drobny
I expected this, but not so soon. Nor on Friday the 13th.
Comment by Random on 02/14/2009 02:28:00
Random on 02/14/2009 02:28:00
I'm starting to think Randi is a prima donna.
Comment by livingonli on 02/14/2009 02:29:50
livingonli on 02/14/2009 02:29:50
I guess the next question is will Randi jump to Dial Global since they now seem to be snatching up everyone? Will Nova M continue to program that slot or will they relinquish it. Randi might be looking for more money and I don't think Nova M could pay what she wanted.
Comment by TriSec on 02/14/2009 02:37:48
TriSec on 02/14/2009 02:37:48
:kickcan:
Looking at some plane porn....particularly some approaches into PBI.
I haven't been on a plane in 6 years. Our last round tripper was BOS-PBI-BOS.
C'mon President Obama, I want to fly again!
Looking at some plane porn....particularly some approaches into PBI.
I haven't been on a plane in 6 years. Our last round tripper was BOS-PBI-BOS.
C'mon President Obama, I want to fly again!
Comment by Will in Chicago on 02/14/2009 02:53:03
Randi was the primary money maker at Nova M Radio. I understand that Mike Malloy's program does not make money for the network. So, the network faces a huge dilemma - what do they do without their greatest source of revenue?
Will in Chicago on 02/14/2009 02:53:03
Quote by livingonli:
I guess the next question is will Randi jump to Dial Global since they now seem to be snatching up everyone? Will Nova M continue to program that slot or will they relinquish it. Randi might be looking for more money and I don't think Nova M could pay what she wanted.
Randi was the primary money maker at Nova M Radio. I understand that Mike Malloy's program does not make money for the network. So, the network faces a huge dilemma - what do they do without their greatest source of revenue?
Comment by Random on 02/14/2009 03:02:42
Random on 02/14/2009 03:02:42
Has the senate voted yet?
Comment by Raine on 02/14/2009 03:18:33
I was playing with the photoshop 2Nite.
Raine on 02/14/2009 03:18:33
I was playing with the photoshop 2Nite.
Comment by Raine on 02/14/2009 03:23:37
Give it a few days... I don't think she is...
Arrogant? yes.
Prima donna? No.
I think this has to do with Clear Channel being really pissed that she called them out for firing people when Rush had a 400 million dollar contract. You watch.
Give me a few months... and then tell me I am wrong.
Raine on 02/14/2009 03:23:37
Quote by Random:
I'm starting to think Randi is a prima donna.
Give it a few days... I don't think she is...
Arrogant? yes.
Prima donna? No.
I think this has to do with Clear Channel being really pissed that she called them out for firing people when Rush had a 400 million dollar contract. You watch.
Give me a few months... and then tell me I am wrong.
Comment by Raine on 02/14/2009 03:27:28
Nova is done. After Manzo left... and Farious.. PLUS what Will has mentioned... (I read that Malloy is thinking about going totally web based like Jeff) AND that lawsuit thing I posted... they are done.
you can't fight for a fairness doctrine when you don't have an alternative POV. Goddamnit!
Raine on 02/14/2009 03:27:28
Quote by livingonli:
I guess the next question is will Randi jump to Dial Global since they now seem to be snatching up everyone? Will Nova M continue to program that slot or will they relinquish it. Randi might be looking for more money and I don't think Nova M could pay what she wanted.
Nova is done. After Manzo left... and Farious.. PLUS what Will has mentioned... (I read that Malloy is thinking about going totally web based like Jeff) AND that lawsuit thing I posted... they are done.
you can't fight for a fairness doctrine when you don't have an alternative POV. Goddamnit!
Comment by Raine on 02/14/2009 03:31:14
Dial Global now has Thom and Momma and Ed shultz and Neil Boortz.
if Jones flipped to Dial then I would assume it has Ed Schultz. Could be iffy, but the reality is this... Randi has a radio show that works... She and Ed don't have to compete... they can each have shows in markets that work.
I hope this is the case.
I still stand by my theory that Clearchannel said no more to Randi. NovaM did not have enough mony to fight it.
Raine on 02/14/2009 03:31:14
Quote by livingonli:
I guess the next question is will Randi jump to Dial Global since they now seem to be snatching up everyone? Will Nova M continue to program that slot or will they relinquish it. Randi might be looking for more money and I don't think Nova M could pay what she wanted.
Dial Global now has Thom and Momma and Ed shultz and Neil Boortz.
if Jones flipped to Dial then I would assume it has Ed Schultz. Could be iffy, but the reality is this... Randi has a radio show that works... She and Ed don't have to compete... they can each have shows in markets that work.
I hope this is the case.
I still stand by my theory that Clearchannel said no more to Randi. NovaM did not have enough mony to fight it.
Comment by livingonli on 02/14/2009 03:36:10
livingonli on 02/14/2009 03:36:10
Jones is now Dial Global. They took it over. Ed actually sends his show out at Noon same time as Thom Hartmann. The show is refed at 3 PM for the stations that didn't move him up. Here in New York, we lost Thom Hartmann to Ed Schultz and XM sends out Ed Schultz live at Noon and have been running Randi at 3 and then Thom on Delay at 6 PM ending with Malloy at 9 on the new schedule
Comment by Raine on 02/14/2009 03:37:20
Raine on 02/14/2009 03:37:20
That leads me to the next question...
How many channels broadcast from ClearChannel?
I smell something REALLY funky here.
How many channels broadcast from ClearChannel?
I smell something REALLY funky here.
Comment by livingonli on 02/14/2009 03:37:48
livingonli on 02/14/2009 03:37:48
Ed Schultz moving to Noon was done by Jones before Al Franken hoping that he would get that time slot after Al left which happened in some but not all markets.
Comment by livingonli on 02/14/2009 03:41:23
livingonli on 02/14/2009 03:41:23
Strangely enough, most of the progressive talkers at least the ones left are still owned by Clear Channel. The exceptions seem to be Nova M in Phoenix, WCPT in Chicago, WWRL here in New York and WWKB in Buffalo as the few progressive talkers not owned by Clear Channel. Although Obama 1260 in DC was sold by Clear Channel to the Redskins owner before the format flip.
Comment by livingonli on 02/14/2009 03:46:48
livingonli on 02/14/2009 03:46:48
Still hearing the ads with Randi in Mike Malloy's show. How soon before they disappear?
Comment by Mondobubba on 02/14/2009 07:01:17
Mondobubba on 02/14/2009 07:01:17
Quote by Random:
Conservative top 25 movies
Team america: World Police sits at 24.
Now who says Conservatives don't have a sense of humor?
I mean, if they didn't, how could they choose a movie that makes fun of the psycho left and psycho right at the same time.
ahh...so sweet.
Comment by Scoopster on 02/14/2009 10:46:29
WAR can either mean Warhammer, or its extended name Warhammer: Age of Reckoning.
RMT means real money trade, or the exchange of actual money for virtual in-game money, items and even whole game accounts. While not specifically illegal by law, it is against the terms of service of all MMO games and the publishers will usually do what they can to control such activity. Hence the abuse part..
PvP means Player vs. Player. Easy enough to figure out. Similar terms included RvR (Realm vs. Realm, or Team/Guild PvP) and PvE (Player(s) vs. a server-programmed Enemy).
Scoopster on 02/14/2009 10:46:29
Quote by Mondobubba:Quote by Scoopster:Quote by Random:
Random operates from a simple princible. all MMORPGs suck. You have to come to me and prove otherwise before i trust it.
Oh I agree with you. I like to think there are things about certain MMOs are I like and things I don't like. For example, I've only tried out three games - FFXI, WoW and WAR.
FFXI has a great battle system, storylines, craft-type systems, missions/quests and team fights, extensive endgame content and the best graphics tho they could use some improvement since the game's six years old. BUT the PvP is boring and is skewed to certain classes, there's lots of RMT abuse, and the company doesn't really care much for the players.
WAR has the best PvP, hands down. And the economic system is great too, similar to FFXI only it really can't be abused by RMT. BUT once your character reaches a certain point, there's no more advancement, and endgame is almost completely PvP so you REALLY need to be into that kinda thing for the game to stay exciting.
WoW... errr well they have the best marketing team.
Scoop, could you please translate some for the non gamers?
FFXI I got. Final Fantasy XI
WAR?
RMT abuse?
PvP?
Remember you are writing for a "mass audience" here :)
WAR can either mean Warhammer, or its extended name Warhammer: Age of Reckoning.
RMT means real money trade, or the exchange of actual money for virtual in-game money, items and even whole game accounts. While not specifically illegal by law, it is against the terms of service of all MMO games and the publishers will usually do what they can to control such activity. Hence the abuse part..
PvP means Player vs. Player. Easy enough to figure out. Similar terms included RvR (Realm vs. Realm, or Team/Guild PvP) and PvE (Player(s) vs. a server-programmed Enemy).
Comment by Random on 02/14/2009 13:40:36
Randi NOT renewing her contract with Nova-M has something to do with Clear Channel?
Random on 02/14/2009 13:40:36
Quote by Raine:Quote by Random:
I'm starting to think Randi is a prima donna.
Give it a few days... I don't think she is...
Arrogant? yes.
Prima donna? No.
I think this has to do with Clear Channel being really pissed that she called them out for firing people when Rush had a 400 million dollar contract. You watch.
Give me a few months... and then tell me I am wrong.
Randi NOT renewing her contract with Nova-M has something to do with Clear Channel?