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Occupy? Yes. Occupy the Streets, Legislatures, Congress AND the Vote.
Author: Raine
Date: 10/10/2011 13:30:20
I am watching the events of the Occupy movement -- by now, you know that I am watching with a certain amount of skepticism, and hope for its success. It's important. It has great potential. I hope to attend a General Assembly here in DC to further understand the inner workings on a personal level. A friend of mine (Shoq) wrote of them here. It includes a video of how they work, but more importantly, he wrote this:
I am also watching what is happening with the American Jobs Act which I find equally important. Yesterday, during the President's weekly address, he said this: Among the many things the Occupy movement is concerned with, issues like the ones the President spoke of are a large part of of the discussion. They should be. America must start investing not just in it's infrastructure, but also in people to carry out these jobs. We must invest in the services our public sector provides. We must invest in ourselves.
With that said, I heard a disturbing story from the state of Georgia this morning, one that should give pause to everyone on the Occupy movement: We must start electing officials not just on the Federal levels. It must change in towns, counties and state levels. The American Jobs Act will help people get back to work, but until people realize that we must regain control of our republic again, we will all be inmates to a broken system. Protesting is critical, but organizing and voting is even more important.
Someone in a Georgia county thinks saving money is more important than its citizens' safety. They believe that firefighters should also serve as corrections officers just to save a few dollars. I've nothing against inmate rehabilitation, nor do I not believe in redemption for those that have served time. All across the nation, elected officials are asking teachers and public sector workers to take pay cuts. In the meantime, our President is pushing for a real jobs act that will help these very people, and instead, in every level of government occupid by the GOP, they are asking the poorer among us, the unemployed, the middle class to shoulder the sacrifice that the top 1% can easily make.
If they believed in a true democratic republic, the top 1% would help to shoulder the burden the 99% is currently being crushed under. Our nation's history has proved time and time again, when the richest among us have given just a little bit more for the greater good of our democracy, the country thrived. In order for the Occupy movement to work, Americans must deliver elected officials all over the nation that will enact the policies they want changed. Easy it will not be, not with the likes of the Koch brothers and the Art Pope's of this world; Not with Citizens United; Not with REDMAP -- these people and strategies and real, and exist solely for the top 1%. They will fight every step of the way on every level of government. It's not hopeless; if we can get people back to work, see the Occupy movement organize beyond, as Shoq put it, 'pre-democracy' we still have a fighting chance to see the country improve. This will take working together in many arenas.
Otherwise, we'll all end up like those inmates. In my opinion, that just a step above slavery. Anger and frustration are good and righteous, but it will take more than that to change this nation. It takes organization, focus and willingness. This is why I will go to see a general assembly this week.
We must make sure Congress (and any legislative body across nation) is occupied with people that truly care about the 99% of America who I suspect, the founding fathers were most concerned with. If Americans can occupy streets all across the country, they can occupy the vote come election day.
and 
Raine
Those familiar with democracy will recognize the problems of holding such assemblies on a city, state, or national level. You'd need "representatives" to attend them. And dang it all, those are so hard to appoint by consensus in some accountable way. It's been tried. Many times.
Thus, GAs, as they are known, useful on small scales for some kinds of actions or ordinances (like that one above), are lovely exercises in what we might call, a pre-representative democracy.
In practical usage, those often lead to the need for some form of representative democracy, often called a republic. You remember those, right? They're kinda like the United States of America before someone broke it.
I am also watching what is happening with the American Jobs Act which I find equally important. Yesterday, during the President's weekly address, he said this:
Right now, hundreds of thousands of teachers and firefighters and police officers have been laid off because of state budget cuts. This jobs bill will put a lot of these men and women back to work. Right now, there are millions of laid-off construction workers who could be repairing our bridges and roads and modernizing our schools. Why wouldn’t we want to put these men and women to work rebuilding America?
With that said, I heard a disturbing story from the state of Georgia this morning, one that should give pause to everyone on the Occupy movement:
Ga. county considers using inmates to staff firehouses; firefighters would guard the prisoners .... The inmates would have no guard, but would be monitored by a surveillance system and by the traditional firefighters, who would undergo training to guard the inmates. Authorities say one traditional firefighter with correctional training can supervise up to three inmates.
Authorities say the inmate firefighter program could save the county more than $500,000 a year by some estimates. Inmates charged with crimes such as drug offenses and thefts would be eligible.
Someone in a Georgia county thinks saving money is more important than its citizens' safety. They believe that firefighters should also serve as corrections officers just to save a few dollars. I've nothing against inmate rehabilitation, nor do I not believe in redemption for those that have served time. All across the nation, elected officials are asking teachers and public sector workers to take pay cuts. In the meantime, our President is pushing for a real jobs act that will help these very people, and instead, in every level of government occupid by the GOP, they are asking the poorer among us, the unemployed, the middle class to shoulder the sacrifice that the top 1% can easily make.
If they believed in a true democratic republic, the top 1% would help to shoulder the burden the 99% is currently being crushed under. Our nation's history has proved time and time again, when the richest among us have given just a little bit more for the greater good of our democracy, the country thrived. In order for the Occupy movement to work, Americans must deliver elected officials all over the nation that will enact the policies they want changed. Easy it will not be, not with the likes of the Koch brothers and the Art Pope's of this world; Not with Citizens United; Not with REDMAP -- these people and strategies and real, and exist solely for the top 1%. They will fight every step of the way on every level of government. It's not hopeless; if we can get people back to work, see the Occupy movement organize beyond, as Shoq put it, 'pre-democracy' we still have a fighting chance to see the country improve. This will take working together in many arenas.
Otherwise, we'll all end up like those inmates. In my opinion, that just a step above slavery. Anger and frustration are good and righteous, but it will take more than that to change this nation. It takes organization, focus and willingness. This is why I will go to see a general assembly this week.
We must make sure Congress (and any legislative body across nation) is occupied with people that truly care about the 99% of America who I suspect, the founding fathers were most concerned with. If Americans can occupy streets all across the country, they can occupy the vote come election day.
and Raine
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Comment by 
wickedpam on 10/10/2011 12:35:48
wickedpam on 10/10/2011 12:35:48
Morning 
No Breakie or too much blog for me - I get to be the greeter for our annual warehouse sale - oh joy
No Breakie or too much blog for me - I get to be the greeter for our annual warehouse sale - oh joy
Comment by 
livingonli on 10/10/2011 12:52:35
livingonli on 10/10/2011 12:52:35
Ouch! Hey, I'm up early today. Since it's Columbus Day, we have afternoon Hockey at work today so I got an early shift. Might as well enjoy it before the Rangers Western Canada road trip.
Comment by 
Mondobubba on 10/10/2011 12:56:05
Mondobubba on 10/10/2011 12:56:05
Columbus day? Shouldn't we all have the damn day off? It's a freaking Federal Holiday. Just sayin...
Comment by wickedpam on 10/10/2011 13:01:17
wickedpam on 10/10/2011 13:01:17
I have never had this as a holiday so its no big deal really, just makes my commute easier. Oh well, of to stand at my post.
Comment by 
TriSec on 10/10/2011 13:05:15
TriSec on 10/10/2011 13:05:15
Morning, comrades.
Here at the mines too....today is my one-year anniversary here.
Here, blog about this. Bush pulls agricultural scientists off the front lines to hunt for terrorists, with predictable results. Ain't that just grand?
Aaaand you could expand on that rant you linked to last night. Let me get up off my knees after kissing your feet again.
Here at the mines too....today is my one-year anniversary here.
Here, blog about this. Bush pulls agricultural scientists off the front lines to hunt for terrorists, with predictable results. Ain't that just grand?
Aaaand you could expand on that rant you linked to last night. Let me get up off my knees after kissing your feet again.
Comment by livingonli on 10/10/2011 13:07:04
livingonli on 10/10/2011 13:07:04
No company holiday at my job so no holiday pay today. Cheap bastards.
Comment by TriSec on 10/10/2011 13:12:58
TriSec on 10/10/2011 13:12:58
In a side note, since the Patron Saint of Italy is given short shrift (go ahead, name him), today is as big a holiday among the Italian community as St. Patrick's day is among the Irish.
So Happy Columbus day from this part Sicilian/Abruzzese! (Mama TriSec's side of the family.)
So Happy Columbus day from this part Sicilian/Abruzzese! (Mama TriSec's side of the family.)
Comment by Mondobubba on 10/10/2011 13:25:25
San Genero? Sapadafora?
Mondobubba on 10/10/2011 13:25:25
Quote by TriSec:
In a side note, since the Patron Saint of Italy is given short shrift (go ahead, name him), today is as big a holiday among the Italian community as St. Patrick's day is among the Irish.
So Happy Columbus day from this part Sicilian/Abruzzese! (Mama TriSec's side of the family.)
San Genero? Sapadafora?
Comment by TriSec on 10/10/2011 13:44:32
TriSec on 10/10/2011 13:44:32
Gee Raine, I read the Georgia story and I had one thought.
Slaves.
Slaves.
Comment by Mondobubba on 10/10/2011 13:48:00
Mondobubba on 10/10/2011 13:48:00
Tri don't leave me haning about Italy's patron saint!
Comment by 
Raine on 10/10/2011 13:48:16
I did as well.
The blog has a few more edits, but I believe this is a terribly cautionary tale.
Raine on 10/10/2011 13:48:16
Quote by TriSec:
Gee Raine, I read the Georgia story and I had one thought.
Slaves.
I did as well.
The blog has a few more edits, but I believe this is a terribly cautionary tale.
Comment by Raine on 10/10/2011 13:50:29
Clint said he remembers that one when it was posted back in 2004 -- I knew I could post it here without worries, because I don't generally like to broad brush entire regions in our nation. (Just like I don't like being painted os a damn Yankee) but I thought the greater point was amazing.
Raine on 10/10/2011 13:50:29
Quote by TriSec:
Morning, comrades.
Here at the mines too....today is my one-year anniversary here.
Here, blog about this. Bush pulls agricultural scientists off the front lines to hunt for terrorists, with predictable results. Ain't that just grand?
Aaaand you could expand on that rant you linked to last night. Let me get up off my knees after kissing your feet again.
Comment by Raine on 10/10/2011 13:51:36
o_O ooh?
Is this open to the public?
Raine on 10/10/2011 13:51:36
Quote by wickedpam:
Morning
No Breakie or too much blog for me - I get to be the greeter for our annual warehouse sale - oh joy
Is this open to the public?
Comment by Raine on 10/10/2011 13:54:22
Raine on 10/10/2011 13:54:22
For those that missed it last night (and because I love when I get kisses from Tri ) The righteous rant from 2004. It should be directed to the GOP South --
Comment by Raine on 10/10/2011 13:59:03
Raine on 10/10/2011 13:59:03
And-- if and when you get over to Shoq's site, take a read at his writing's on the Occupy Movement. If you choose to comment, please tell him who sent you. 
I wrote of this last week, and I have to say I share the same concerns.
I found this story from Occupy Atlanta a little sad. It about John Lewis.
I said it before, and I believe it still, they could take a few pointers from the organization behind the civil rights movement.
I wrote of this last week, and I have to say I share the same concerns.
I found this story from Occupy Atlanta a little sad. It about John Lewis.
I said it before, and I believe it still, they could take a few pointers from the organization behind the civil rights movement.
Comment by TriSec on 10/10/2011 14:00:05
San Gennaro is Naples.
Our overall Saint is Joseph.
TriSec on 10/10/2011 14:00:05
Quote by Mondobubba:
Tri don't leave me haning about Italy's patron saint!
San Gennaro is Naples.
Our overall Saint is Joseph.
Comment by TriSec on 10/10/2011 14:08:35
TriSec on 10/10/2011 14:08:35
I am so done making coffee for this office.
Comment by 
BobR on 10/10/2011 14:09:17
Love his aspirin...
BobR on 10/10/2011 14:09:17
Quote by TriSec:Quote by Mondobubba:
Tri don't leave me haning about Italy's patron saint!
San Gennaro is Naples.
Our overall Saint is Joseph.
Love his aspirin...
Comment by 
velveeta jones on 10/10/2011 14:24:14
velveeta jones on 10/10/2011 14:24:14
Morning bitches!!! (i.e my fellow bloggers).
May I just say, and totally off topic here, teenagers suck!! Gads... they are SOOOO moody!
May I just say, and totally off topic here, teenagers suck!! Gads... they are SOOOO moody!
Comment by Mondobubba on 10/10/2011 14:25:20
Thankee.
Mondobubba on 10/10/2011 14:25:20
Quote by TriSec:Quote by Mondobubba:
Tri don't leave me haning about Italy's patron saint!
San Gennaro is Naples.
Our overall Saint is Joseph.
Thankee.
Comment by Raine on 10/10/2011 14:26:33
Hi Vel!
The hormones run deep in the force.
Raine on 10/10/2011 14:26:33
Quote by velveeta jones:
Morning bitches!!! (i.e my fellow bloggers).
May I just say, and totally off topic here, teenagers suck!! Gads... they are SOOOO moody!
The hormones run deep in the force.
Comment by livingonli on 10/10/2011 14:33:20
livingonli on 10/10/2011 14:33:20
Time to head off to the salt mine. At least I can be home tonight.
Comment by velveeta jones on 10/10/2011 14:49:27
Oh is that what it is, hormones? Can I get a doctor to remove them? That would make mornings so much calmer.
velveeta jones on 10/10/2011 14:49:27
Quote by Raine:Hi Vel!Quote by velveeta jones:
Morning bitches!!! (i.e my fellow bloggers).
May I just say, and totally off topic here, teenagers suck!! Gads... they are SOOOO moody!
The hormones run deep in the force.
Oh is that what it is, hormones? Can I get a doctor to remove them? That would make mornings so much calmer.
Comment by Raine on 10/10/2011 14:50:57
Uhm...
Estrogen therapy?
Raine on 10/10/2011 14:50:57
Quote by velveeta jones:Quote by Raine:Hi Vel!Quote by velveeta jones:
Morning bitches!!! (i.e my fellow bloggers).
May I just say, and totally off topic here, teenagers suck!! Gads... they are SOOOO moody!
The hormones run deep in the force.
Oh is that what it is, hormones? Can I get a doctor to remove them? That would make mornings so much calmer.
Estrogen therapy?
Comment by BobR on 10/10/2011 14:53:43
My mother used a wooden spoon, applied with force.
BobR on 10/10/2011 14:53:43
Quote by velveeta jones:Quote by Raine:Hi Vel!Quote by velveeta jones:
Morning bitches!!! (i.e my fellow bloggers).
May I just say, and totally off topic here, teenagers suck!! Gads... they are SOOOO moody!
The hormones run deep in the force.
Oh is that what it is, hormones? Can I get a doctor to remove them? That would make mornings so much calmer.
My mother used a wooden spoon, applied with force.
Comment by TriSec on 10/10/2011 15:00:55
TriSec on 10/10/2011 15:00:55
Knife and fire therapy tends to work well on adolescent boys.
(No, not Scouts....I mean exsanguination before burning them at the stake.)
(No, not Scouts....I mean exsanguination before burning them at the stake.)
Comment by Raine on 10/10/2011 15:26:05
Raine on 10/10/2011 15:26:05
Quote by TriSec:
Knife and fire therapy tends to work well on adolescent boys.
(No, not Scouts....I mean exsanguination before burning them at the stake.)
Comment by Raine on 10/10/2011 15:46:10
Raine on 10/10/2011 15:46:10
The simpsons cancelled, and renewed!
This blog gives a good perspective on what happened. This in particular: Where did all that money go? Sherer makes a VERY legitimate point.
This blog gives a good perspective on what happened. This in particular:
Harry Shearer, who voices Mr. Burns, Ned Flanders, and many others, later released a statement where he revealed that he had offered to take a 70% pay cut in exchange for a percentage of the show’s profits, but the network refused.
“For many years now, the cast of ‘The Simpsons’ has been trying to get Fox to agree that, like so many other people who’ve contributed significantly to the show’s success, we be allowed a tiny share of the billions of dollars in profits the show has earned,†said Shearer. â€Fox has consistently refused to even consider the matter. Instead, it’s paid us salaries that, while ridiculous by any normal standard, pale in comparison to what the show’s profit participants have been taking home.â€
Comment by Mondobubba on 10/10/2011 15:53:30
Into the deep pockets of NewsCorp? I mean, seriously it takes a lot scratch to pay off cops and members of Government in the UK.
Mondobubba on 10/10/2011 15:53:30
Quote by Raine:
The simpsons cancelled, and renewed!
This blog gives a good perspective on what happened. This in particular:Where did all that money go? Sherer makes a VERY legitimate point.Harry Shearer, who voices Mr. Burns, Ned Flanders, and many others, later released a statement where he revealed that he had offered to take a 70% pay cut in exchange for a percentage of the show’s profits, but the network refused.
“For many years now, the cast of ‘The Simpsons’ has been trying to get Fox to agree that, like so many other people who’ve contributed significantly to the show’s success, we be allowed a tiny share of the billions of dollars in profits the show has earned,†said Shearer. â€ÂFox has consistently refused to even consider the matter. Instead, it’s paid us salaries that, while ridiculous by any normal standard, pale in comparison to what the show’s profit participants have been taking home.â€Â
Into the deep pockets of NewsCorp? I mean, seriously it takes a lot scratch to pay off cops and members of Government in the UK.
Comment by Mondobubba on 10/10/2011 15:58:11
Mondobubba on 10/10/2011 15:58:11
Oh noes! No split for streaming and DVD delivery from Netflix! Who the hell is in charge there?
Dithering Netflix.
Dithering Netflix.
Comment by TriSec on 10/10/2011 16:01:42
Hmm....might be time to check out the competition.
I'm old school; I still get DVDs sent to me instead of streaming. Quality has gone down, I've had to request a replacement more than once this past year because the DVDs were unplayable. (One of which really pissed me off, because it was more than 3/4 of the way through the movie.)
TriSec on 10/10/2011 16:01:42
Quote by Mondobubba:
Oh noes! No split for streaming and DVD delivery from Netflix! Who the hell is in charge there?
Dithering Netflix.
Hmm....might be time to check out the competition.
I'm old school; I still get DVDs sent to me instead of streaming. Quality has gone down, I've had to request a replacement more than once this past year because the DVDs were unplayable. (One of which really pissed me off, because it was more than 3/4 of the way through the movie.)
Comment by Mondobubba on 10/10/2011 16:02:52
Mondobubba on 10/10/2011 16:02:52
National Weather Service EPIC FAIL?
So far today in my little corner of Jacksonville none of the following is./has happening/happened:
Seven Day Forcast
As I look out the window, I see mixed clouds and sun. No rain. I could be wrong, it could start raining like crap like it did later in the day like it did yesterday.
So far today in my little corner of Jacksonville none of the following is./has happening/happened:
Seven Day Forcast
As I look out the window, I see mixed clouds and sun. No rain. I could be wrong, it could start raining like crap like it did later in the day like it did yesterday.
Comment by Raine on 10/10/2011 16:05:11
I am really happy they figured this one out and got the Shite together.
We were going to quit the service because it was just too much effort. Seriously.
Raine on 10/10/2011 16:05:11
Quote by Mondobubba:
Oh noes! No split for streaming and DVD delivery from Netflix! Who the hell is in charge there?
Dithering Netflix.
We were going to quit the service because it was just too much effort. Seriously.
Comment by TriSec on 10/10/2011 16:05:25
TriSec on 10/10/2011 16:05:25
Ha.
Around these parts, that's called a "fairly accurate forecast".
Around these parts, that's called a "fairly accurate forecast".
Comment by Mondobubba on 10/10/2011 16:10:47
It is always an option. I did a rental from Redbox just to check it out. Selection is kinda so-so, but they did have what I wanted.
I've never had a problem with an unplayable DVD from them. On the other hand, I have had TONS of streaming issues of late. Choppy, frame by frame play and sound synching issues are the two biggest issues.
Mondobubba on 10/10/2011 16:10:47
Quote by TriSec:Quote by Mondobubba:
Oh noes! No split for streaming and DVD delivery from Netflix! Who the hell is in charge there?
Dithering Netflix.
Hmm....might be time to check out the competition.
I'm old school; I still get DVDs sent to me instead of streaming. Quality has gone down, I've had to request a replacement more than once this past year because the DVDs were unplayable. (One of which really pissed me off, because it was more than 3/4 of the way through the movie.)
It is always an option. I did a rental from Redbox just to check it out. Selection is kinda so-so, but they did have what I wanted.
I've never had a problem with an unplayable DVD from them. On the other hand, I have had TONS of streaming issues of late. Choppy, frame by frame play and sound synching issues are the two biggest issues.
Comment by livingonli on 10/10/2011 16:35:31
True dat. And it seems like only Groening and McFarlane can get away with making fun of Fox News.
livingonli on 10/10/2011 16:35:31
Quote by Mondobubba:Quote by Raine:
The simpsons cancelled, and renewed!
This blog gives a good perspective on what happened. This in particular:Where did all that money go? Sherer makes a VERY legitimate point.Harry Shearer, who voices Mr. Burns, Ned Flanders, and many others, later released a statement where he revealed that he had offered to take a 70% pay cut in exchange for a percentage of the show’s profits, but the network refused.
“For many years now, the cast of ‘The Simpsons’ has been trying to get Fox to agree that, like so many other people who’ve contributed significantly to the show’s success, we be allowed a tiny share of the billions of dollars in profits the show has earned,†said Shearer. â€ÂFox has consistently refused to even consider the matter. Instead, it’s paid us salaries that, while ridiculous by any normal standard, pale in comparison to what the show’s profit participants have been taking home.â€Â
Into the deep pockets of NewsCorp? I mean, seriously it takes a lot scratch to pay off cops and members of Government in the UK.
True dat. And it seems like only Groening and McFarlane can get away with making fun of Fox News.
Comment by Raine on 10/10/2011 16:41:07
Raine on 10/10/2011 16:41:07
Well there is a side benefit from the DC Earthquake... It looks like Bob and I will be able to attend the MLK Memorial dedication ceremony after all.
Comment by TriSec on 10/10/2011 16:41:53
TriSec on 10/10/2011 16:41:53
[WWII geek]
OK, so I've reached the point in the Ike biography just after D-Day. Monty has failed to take Caen by D+1 as he promised, and Ike is about to unleash Patton for the breakout.
Can't wait to read about how Ike reacted to Monty's failing to close the Falaise Gap.
{/WWII geek]
And this particular author (Michael Korda) has been brutal towards the Viscount Alamein. This book could just has easily have been titled "IKE - or why Monty blows goats".
OK, so I've reached the point in the Ike biography just after D-Day. Monty has failed to take Caen by D+1 as he promised, and Ike is about to unleash Patton for the breakout.
Can't wait to read about how Ike reacted to Monty's failing to close the Falaise Gap.
{/WWII geek]
And this particular author (Michael Korda) has been brutal towards the Viscount Alamein. This book could just has easily have been titled "IKE - or why Monty blows goats".
Comment by Raine on 10/10/2011 16:43:18
My bad -- it was the hurricane, not the Earthquake.
It was a hellova week.... My apologies
Raine on 10/10/2011 16:43:18
Quote by Raine:
Well there is a side benefit from the DC Earthquake... It looks like Bob and I will be able to attend the MLK Memorial dedication ceremony after all.
It was a hellova week.... My apologies
Comment by TriSec on 10/10/2011 17:02:28
TriSec on 10/10/2011 17:02:28
It was a Hurriquake!
Comment by 
Will in Chicago on 10/10/2011 17:49:07
Will in Chicago on 10/10/2011 17:49:07
Hello, bloggers! I hope that all is well. I was busy last week, but took some time today to catch up on the blogs. I hope that we will see Occupy Wall Street become organized into a movement that can create change in America. It is desperately needed.
Raine and BobR, my sympathies about Camille's passing. Our pets become our children, providing unconditional love to us. They are loyal, loving and protective.
My dog Holly, who is nearly 17, has been in declining health. She has fallen several times and is quite weak. So, I am taking her to the vet one last time this Wednesday morning. She is still alert, but I can tell by her heavy breathing and awkward movements that her lifespan is nearing its end.
Here is a photo from a happier time:
Raine and BobR, my sympathies about Camille's passing. Our pets become our children, providing unconditional love to us. They are loyal, loving and protective.
My dog Holly, who is nearly 17, has been in declining health. She has fallen several times and is quite weak. So, I am taking her to the vet one last time this Wednesday morning. She is still alert, but I can tell by her heavy breathing and awkward movements that her lifespan is nearing its end.
Here is a photo from a happier time:
Comment by Will in Chicago on 10/10/2011 17:50:12
Will in Chicago on 10/10/2011 17:50:12
Oops, let's try this:
Comment by Raine on 10/10/2011 18:04:21
Raine on 10/10/2011 18:04:21
Oh Will... 
Comment by Raine on 10/10/2011 18:10:44
Raine on 10/10/2011 18:10:44
The Freedom Square protestors have been told to leave tonite.
DC this evening should be interesting.
With regard to the Occupy movememnt, I just had a thought, I think we can all agree on what people want --
I think my real question is: HOW does it get done?
DC this evening should be interesting.
With regard to the Occupy movememnt, I just had a thought, I think we can all agree on what people want --
I think my real question is: HOW does it get done?
Comment by TriSec on 10/10/2011 18:22:32
TriSec on 10/10/2011 18:22:32
Interesting...Mayor Menino came out over the weekend and said the Occupy Boston folks can stay out as long as they want. (They're on the Greenway here, near Dewey Square and the Federal Reserve building.)
The caveat of course, is "as long as they are peaceful". How that is determined wasn't made clear.
The caveat of course, is "as long as they are peaceful". How that is determined wasn't made clear.
Comment by Raine on 10/10/2011 18:41:59
NYC Mayor Bloomberg said the same thing.
Raine on 10/10/2011 18:41:59
Quote by TriSec:
Interesting...Mayor Menino came out over the weekend and said the Occupy Boston folks can stay out as long as they want. (They're on the Greenway here, near Dewey Square and the Federal Reserve building.)
The caveat of course, is "as long as they are peaceful". How that is determined wasn't made clear.
Comment by wickedpam on 10/10/2011 19:27:48
wickedpam on 10/10/2011 19:27:48
Back from the sale and have netted a few good open bottles to take home tonight 
Okay on the Occupy groups I've been wondering - what's the plan for when the weather gets really cold in places. I'm worried about the people reallying getting sick
Okay on the Occupy groups I've been wondering - what's the plan for when the weather gets really cold in places. I'm worried about the people reallying getting sick
Comment by Mondobubba on 10/10/2011 19:30:30
There is some kind of weirdness with the permits. ODC folks are working under the permit that was issued to some peace group, which expires today. Or that is what I read or heard on the news.
There was some unpleasentness OJax that was totally downplayed in the article I posted earlier. Apparently one of the larger douche bags on the city council complained to cops that the protesters were obstructing the enterence to his business just off Hemming Plaza. I know this is a bullshit complaint cause if you are open on Saturday in downtown Jacksonville you will get no business unless you are a restaurant or bar.
Mondobubba on 10/10/2011 19:30:30
Quote by Raine:
The Freedom Square protestors have been told to leave tonite.
DC this evening should be interesting.
With regard to the Occupy movememnt, I just had a thought, I think we can all agree on what people want --
I think my real question is: HOW does it get done?
There is some kind of weirdness with the permits. ODC folks are working under the permit that was issued to some peace group, which expires today. Or that is what I read or heard on the news.
There was some unpleasentness OJax that was totally downplayed in the article I posted earlier. Apparently one of the larger douche bags on the city council complained to cops that the protesters were obstructing the enterence to his business just off Hemming Plaza. I know this is a bullshit complaint cause if you are open on Saturday in downtown Jacksonville you will get no business unless you are a restaurant or bar.