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The Time Has Come
Author: BobR    Date: 2011-11-23 13:00:00


First they ignore you,
then they laugh at you,
then they fight you,
then you win.
- Mohandas Gandhi

An invasion of armies can be resisted, but not an idea whose time has come.
- Victor Hugo


It seems like it's been forever since we first heard about a small group of protesters camping out in the middle of the Wall Street district. In reality, it's been a little over 2 months. In that very short time (in political movement terms), they have galvanized the planet, touching off similar movements in other cities and other countries. Their approach - strange to the minds of most people used to traditional governance models refined through centuries of trial, error, and enlightenment - brought uncertainty and bewilderment to those outside the encampments. What were their goals? Who were their leaders? How did the plan to make these changes happen?

Strangely, it seemed their only goals were to make their grievances heard. No demands, no lobbying congresspeople... Eventually, some demands WERE forthcoming (such as reinstating Glass-Steagall, and other financial reforms in the interests of economic justice), but for the most part, their purported purpose was to get people to think and to open their eyes.

As it became clear that the protesters were not going to get bored and leave, the power hierarchy (both political and financial) got nervous. Ignoring them was not proving fruitful, and was becoming harder to do as the size and quantity of encampments grew. Ridiculing them and infiltrating them with agents provocateur was also useless, as the groupthink was not susceptable to provocation.

That left the only response that they knew how to use - violence.

The heavy-handed police response in NYC, Portland, and Oakland was a lose-lose for the powers-that-be in those cities. The cliché "the revolution will be televised" has held true. Videos of police pepper-spraying and clubbing non-violent and other essentially harmless people has created an outrage against the use of excessive force, as well as growing sympathy towards the protesters, where the sympathy had started to wane.

At UC-Davis in California, the officer casually spraying a group of sitting students with weapons-grade pepper-spray (essentially, a chemical weapon) has provoked a nearly unanimous outcry against the wanton and unnecessary attack on our first amendment rights. The officer has been suspended (WITH pay), and state senator Leland Yee (D) has called for an investigation.

In Seattle, the police pepper-sprayed an 84-year-old woman, and may have caused a 19-year-old 3 months pregnant woman to miscarry after being hit in the stomach and pepper-sprayed (even after letting the police know she was pregnant).

Force - when used by police - is supposed to be employed when necessary to take control of a situation, and in direct proportion to the necessity. Was an 84-year-old woman a threat?...How about a 19-year-old pregnant woman?... or perhaps a group of students sitting quietly on the ground?...

We've seen this over-reaction in the past. When Bull Connor used police dogs and firehoses on civil rights protesters in 1963, the public outcry to the video seen on TV was enough to get the Kennedy administration involved. He intervened in negotiations, and made use of the National Guard to keep the peace. There was more violence and years of troubles, and the Johnson administration finally made things official, but it was the images and video of non-violent protest being brutalized by excessive government force that turned the tide from indifference to sympathy to demands for action.

Will the same thing happen here? Can it happen?... is the model too different? Currently, more people approve than disapprove of OWS, but the majority of people are unsure. Perhaps the recent violence will change those numbers. There's also the constitutional amendment being floated by Congressman Ted Deutch (D-FL) to outlaw corporate money in elections, and end corporate personhood. This covers two of the "demands" of OWS (and people everywhere that care about fair elections), so perhaps the movement is gaining some traction.

There have also been rumors about the FBI and/or DHS coordinating the attacks on the protesters. While there are no hard facts to back those up, they nonetheless "feel" true when all that we get from the federal government is silence.

It's time for that silence to end. While it may be difficult for the president to agree completely with the OWS movement and it's goals, it should be easy for him to denounce the violence being perpetrated on his fellow citizens while they are attempting to exercise their 1st amendment rights. Please, Mr. President, ask for calm... Ask for a "cease fire".

It's what JFK would do.
 

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Comment by wickedpam on 11/23/2011 13:36:51
Morning

I've been thinking of what Randi said yesterday about the mic check that tried to happen yesterday with the Pres. It would have been a perfect opportunity for him to be able to say something and you can see he was listening. Sadly, I'm guessing it was an overzealous high schooler who got the crowd to drowned them out. I wish the mic check and answer would have been allowed to happen.

Comment by Mondobubba on 11/23/2011 13:54:00
Howdy.

Comment by BobR on 11/23/2011 13:55:38
Comment by Mondobubba on 11/23/2011 14:07:05
Quote by BobR:
Santorum spill!



:slams and locks door to the dark, disturbed corner of my mind: No, no, noo! This is a family blog!

Comment by Mondobubba on 11/23/2011 14:12:51
My dark, fevered imagination stunned the blog?

Comment by TriSec on 11/23/2011 14:13:35
I am learning this morning of the passing of a Mr. Ken Parsons of Saugus, MA.

Ken ran the Scout Troop across the street from mine (62)...and I've known him since I was 12 years old.

Godspeed, old friend.



http://www.venturingbsa.com/clipart.d/fleurdelis.d/bsa.logo.red.gif


Comment by wickedpam on 11/23/2011 14:15:41
Quote by BobR:
Santorum spill!




eeeeeeeeeeeeewwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Comment by Mondobubba on 11/23/2011 14:17:46
Quote by wickedpam:
Quote by BobR:
Santorum spill!




eeeeeeeeeeeeewwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



:sweet popping on forehead: Must.resist.commenting...

Comment by wickedpam on 11/23/2011 14:22:10
Quote by TriSec:
I am learning this morning of the passing of a Mr. Ken Parsons of Saugus, MA.

Ken ran the Scout Troop across the street from mine (62)...and I've known him since I was 12 years old.

Godspeed, old friend.



http://www.venturingbsa.com/clipart.d/fleurdelis.d/bsa.logo.red.gif


I'm sorry to hear about your friend Tri


Comment by Mondobubba on 11/23/2011 14:27:52
Quote by TriSec:
I am learning this morning of the passing of a Mr. Ken Parsons of Saugus, MA.

Ken ran the Scout Troop across the street from mine (62)...and I've known him since I was 12 years old.

Godspeed, old friend.



http://www.venturingbsa.com/clipart.d/fleurdelis.d/bsa.logo.red.gif


My sympathies, Sir.


Comment by Raine on 11/23/2011 14:30:49
good morning!

Excellent Blog, Bobber!

Comment by Raine on 11/23/2011 14:34:29
Quote by wickedpam:
Morning

I've been thinking of what Randi said yesterday about the mic check that tried to happen yesterday with the Pres. It would have been a perfect opportunity for him to be able to say something and you can see he was listening. Sadly, I'm guessing it was an overzealous high schooler who got the crowd to drowned them out. I wish the mic check and answer would have been allowed to happen.
I think that wasn't the last of the MIC checks.

Did you watch Rachel last night? The President was handed the note of the mic check:
http://m.static.newsvine.com/servista/imagesizer?file=null-null6766163F-AB96-6894-636A-F143B394F2B1.jpg&width=600


Comment by wickedpam on 11/23/2011 14:34:47
wow old pull- Q from ST:TNG

Comment by Raine on 11/23/2011 14:34:59
Quote by wickedpam:
Quote by TriSec:
I am learning this morning of the passing of a Mr. Ken Parsons of Saugus, MA.

Ken ran the Scout Troop across the street from mine (62)...and I've known him since I was 12 years old.

Godspeed, old friend.



http://www.venturingbsa.com/clipart.d/fleurdelis.d/bsa.logo.red.gif


I'm sorry to hear about your friend Tri
I'm sorry, Tri.


Comment by wickedpam on 11/23/2011 14:35:54
Quote by Raine:
Quote by wickedpam:
Morning

I've been thinking of what Randi said yesterday about the mic check that tried to happen yesterday with the Pres. It would have been a perfect opportunity for him to be able to say something and you can see he was listening. Sadly, I'm guessing it was an overzealous high schooler who got the crowd to drowned them out. I wish the mic check and answer would have been allowed to happen.
I think that wasn't the last of the MIC checks.

Did you watch Rachel last night? The President was handed the note of the mic check:
http://m.static.newsvine.com/servista/imagesizer?file=null-null6766163F-AB96-6894-636A-F143B394F2B1.jpg&width=600


saw part of KO and saw that he was given the note. I hope we do see more and people stop freaking out about them


Comment by Raine on 11/23/2011 14:37:16
Quote by BobR:
Santorum spill!
How funny is it that this occurred in Pennsylvania?


Comment by Raine on 11/23/2011 14:38:44
Is this the same woman that Rachel interviewed last night?

She was really cool.


Comment by BobR on 11/23/2011 14:41:25
Quote by Raine:
Is this the same woman that Rachel interviewed last night?

She was really cool.

Yes, that's her.

Comment by Mondobubba on 11/23/2011 14:42:48
Quote by Raine:
Is this the same woman that Rachel interviewed last night?

She was really cool.



I dunno, Tuesday is my no-news and politics veg out night. I was watching "Secrets of the Dead" on PBS. Then mindless sitcom reruns on TBS.

Comment by Mondobubba on 11/23/2011 14:44:54
Quote by Raine:
Is this the same woman that Rachel interviewed last night?

She was really cool.


The massively witless comment by whatshername on Fox got me thinking about pepper spray. Even with my modest knowlege of chemistry I knew she was full of crap by saying it's a food product.

Comment by TriSec on 11/23/2011 14:53:58
Aaaand how about a spoiler alert for the select few here that podcast TRMS?






Comment by wickedpam on 11/23/2011 14:57:03
2 postal workers died in DC because of the anthrax attacks

Comment by TriSec on 11/23/2011 15:05:44
Is it bad if I find myself agreeing with Rick Perry on Pakistan? I'd go one further and recall our ambassador for "consultations", too. Never did think we should have allied ourselves with them.



Comment by Raine on 11/23/2011 15:28:19
Quote by wickedpam:
2 postal workers died in DC because of the anthrax attacks
A lot of people forget about that.


Comment by wickedpam on 11/23/2011 15:30:00
Quote by Raine:
Quote by wickedpam:
2 postal workers died in DC because of the anthrax attacks
A lot of people forget about that.



That they do.

Comment by Raine on 11/23/2011 15:39:02
Somesei is my least favorite Japanese food.

Comment by Raine on 11/23/2011 15:47:35
Is it me, or does this have a certain tinge of Irony?

Over the weekend, Fannie Mae sponsored a Help the Homeless Walkathon

I understand they have been doing this since 1988, but -- well -- in light of the foreclosure crisis.....


Comment by Raine on 11/23/2011 15:51:29
Comment by TriSec on 11/23/2011 16:01:12


Ya know...I've been there. I am David M. Papa TriSec is David S.

The Boy Scouts of America could never tell us apart; I eventually resorted to listing myself as David M. Jr., even though I am not. That was the only thing that worked.

(And I occasionally get pieces of marketing addressed to "Jr.", so I know the BSA sold their mailing list; they're the only place I ever did that.)



Comment by Mondobubba on 11/23/2011 16:02:43
Quote by TriSec:
Aaaand how about a spoiler alert for the select few here that podcast TRMS?







Yeah knowing the dramatic plot twists on new program in advance is such a buzz kill!



Comment by wickedpam on 11/23/2011 16:26:10
:eyeroll: good lord, Halahal almost is the same as Kosher just differnet people doing the blessing

Comment by Raine on 11/23/2011 16:35:21
Bob is now a meme.

https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-snc7/384128_2643363201782_1186660314_33029570_1665552061_n.jpg


Comment by wickedpam on 11/23/2011 16:38:13
Quote by Raine:
Bob is now a meme.

https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-snc7/384128_2643363201782_1186660314_33029570_1665552061_n.jpg





Comment by Mondobubba on 11/23/2011 16:38:57
Quote by Raine:
Bob is now a meme.

https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-snc7/384128_2643363201782_1186660314_33029570_1665552061_n.jpg



Well played Madam!

Comment by Mondobubba on 11/23/2011 16:40:37
http://s3.amazonaws.com/kym-assets/photos/images/newsfeed/000/204/540/monty_python_pepper_spray_cop.jpg?1321939800


Comment by Raine on 11/23/2011 16:44:13
https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/388714_2643439803697_1186660314_33029584_555670483_n.jpg


Comment by TriSec on 11/23/2011 16:59:32
If I were President, and somebody presented me with two turkeys for Thanksgiving...I'd eat 'em.

Sorry.



Comment by TriSec on 11/23/2011 17:02:15
Comment by wickedpam on 11/23/2011 17:04:46
Comment by Mondobubba on 11/23/2011 18:10:08
Quote by Raine:
https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/388714_2643439803697_1186660314_33029584_555670483_n.jpg



Brilliant! The lighting on Bobber works so well!

Comment by livingonli on 11/23/2011 18:48:12
Good day folks. I have a doctor's appointment this afternoon. Cold is still killing me but slept better this morning than I have.

Comment by TriSec on 11/23/2011 19:01:29
I really hate it when a payor uses one of my favorite denial tactics against me.

New York Medicaid also blows an entire fleet of goats.



Comment by Mondobubba on 11/23/2011 19:41:16
Quote by TriSec:
I really hate it when a payor uses one of my favorite denial tactics against me.

New York Medicaid also blows an entire fleet of goats.




Just how big is a fleet of goats? Does this include goat support vehicles? Or just the goats? I'm trying to get a handle on just how prodigious the blowing ability of New York Medicaid really is.

Comment by TriSec on 11/23/2011 19:54:08
We're talking aircraft carriers, destroyer screen, fleet oilers, and a picket line of subs here.



Comment by Mondobubba on 11/23/2011 20:10:48
Quote by TriSec:
We're talking aircraft carriers, destroyer screen, fleet oilers, and a picket line of subs here.




Got, it thanks. That bad, eh?

Comment by Raine on 11/23/2011 20:15:09
Aww -- Nicole Sandler is making me want to cry.

Comment by TriSec on 11/23/2011 20:18:55
"Hello, New York Medicaid? This is 1998 calling; we'd like our dial-up modems back."



Comment by TriSec on 11/23/2011 20:25:09
Alright gang....I'm off to the bean factory soon enough. I'll be around a bit in the am; baking some pasteles and watching the parade before heading to my ancestral homeland.

I'm bringing the Bombay Dry, Noilly Pratt, and a new bottle of olives...plus Pinot Noir and Gewertztraminer. I do hope to be able to drive home.

Comment by Mondobubba on 11/23/2011 20:45:48
Quote by TriSec:
"Hello, New York Medicaid? This is 1998 calling; we'd like our dial-up modems back."



28.8?