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Author: Raine    Date: 10/09/2013 13:09:14

This a portion of the statement the President gave yesterday afternoon. Right off the bat, he used very strong and curious words.
Think about it this way, the American people do not get to demand a ransom for doing their jobs. You don't get a chance to call your bank and say I'm not going to pay my mortgage this month unless you throw in a new car and an Xbox. If you're in negotiations around buying somebody's house, you don't get to say, well, let's talk about the price I'm going to pay, and if you don't give the price then I'm going to burn down your house. That's not how negotiations work. That's not how it happens in business. That's not how it happens in private life.

In the same way, members of Congress, and the House Republicans in particular, don't get to demand ransom in exchange for doing their jobs. And two of their very basic jobs are passing a budget and making sure that America's paying its bills. They don't also get to say, you know, unless you give me what the voters rejected in the last election, I'm going to cause a recession.

That's not how it works. No American president would deal with a foreign leader like this. Most of you would not deal with either co- workers or business associates in this fashion. And we shouldn't be dealing this way here in Washington.
President Obama went on to explain that he or his staff have met with GOP leadership 20 times since March, declaring the result:
What we haven't been able to get are serious positions from the Republicans that would allow us to actually resolve some core differences. And they have decided to run out the clock until there's a government shutdown or the possibility of default, thinking that it would give them more leverage. That's not my characterization. They've said it themselves. That was their strategy from the start. And that is not how our government is supposed to run.
On the possibility of defaulting Mr. Obama states:
and I'm quoting here -- "insane, catastrophic, chaos" -- these are some of the more polite words.

Warren Buffett likened default to a nuclear bomb, a weapon too horrible to use. It would disrupt markets, it would undermine the world's confidence in America as the bedrock of the global economy, and it might permanently increase our borrowing costs which, of course, ironically would mean that it would be more expensive for us to service what debt we do have and it would add to our deficits and our debt, not decrease them.

On the First day of the shutdown, this came from the President:
Americans will only be able to return to work, Obama said, "when Republicans realize they don't get to hold the entire economy hostage over ideological demands."
Ransom, extortion, 'bomb' (metaphorically, of course) are the words the President used to tell the world that the House Republicans purposefully decided to shut down government and are now threatening to default on the good faith and credit of the United States.

These words indicate criminality. These are words that came from this President, a man known for carefully choosing his words. They didn't come from a pundit or a partisan PAC. They came from the President of the United States of America speaking about 1/3 of one branch of government. He is in essence, declaring their actions criminal in nature. That should send a shiver down your spine. That people are actually contemplating that this is the New Normal should send a shiver down your spine.
This is an exceedingly dangerous view that ignores the reality that every parent learns the hard way: Unchecked bad behavior begets worse behavior.

Just take a look at what’s happened to the Senate in recent years. Once, filibusters were rare exceptions. Now, they are constant. Nearly every bill, no matter how trivial, requires 60 votes for passage in a body that historically required a mere majority.

Similarly, presidential nominations are now routinely blocked for reasons only occasionally having to do with the qualifications of the nominee. Lawmakers have learned that they can take a nominee hostage in order to send an ideological message or convince an administration to change a regulation.

We are headed towards a constitutional crisis, whether one believes it or not. The GOP knows this:
Over and above any claims made about the ACA by those trying to destroy it -- almost all of which have been found to hold no water at all -- it is not compromise. Worse, it's unconstitutional, and therefore impossible; and I have to believe the Republicans know this.

Here's why.

The ACA was passed by Congress, signed by the president, and found constitutional by the Supreme Court. It is the law.

The Constitution says Congress must take those steps necessary and proper to put laws into effect, the Constitution says the president's job is to take good care to see the laws are faithfully executed, and the president takes an oath -- written into the Constitution -- to preserve, protect, and defend it.

So Congress has a responsibility to put the ACA into effect -- meaning, among other things, to finance it -- and the president is required by the Constitution to enforce it.
Criminality abounds. The President used those words on purpose; They were no accident. That sends shivers down MY spine.

and
Raine
 

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Comment by wickedpam on 10/09/2013 13:23:16
Morning

Comment by Scoopster on 10/09/2013 13:25:21
Mornin' all..

What the heeeellll was that Bubble Butt bumper?

Comment by Raine on 10/09/2013 13:26:17
Quote by Scoopster:
Mornin' all..

What the heeeellll was that Bubble Butt bumper?
I dunno -- that was awful!


Comment by Mondobubba on 10/09/2013 13:32:19
Howdy from the land o' virus scan.

Comment by Scoopster on 10/09/2013 13:32:20
That Boehner clip...........

Comment by Raine on 10/09/2013 13:36:23
So for those listening to the shows today, keep your ears peeled out to see if any RWLM calls in with the meme that Obama should have gotten single payer -- I mentioned it yesterday -- I want to see if this is a new meme.

Comment by Mondobubba on 10/09/2013 13:39:18
So, who watched "Frontline" last night? League of Denial: The NFL's Concussion Crisis.

Comment by Raine on 10/09/2013 13:40:47
Quote by Mondobubba:
So, who watched "Frontline" last night? League of Denial: The NFL's Concussion Crisis.
I haven't watched it yet. I heard it was really good. That's the one with Troy Aikman telling his concussion story?


Comment by TriSec on 10/09/2013 13:42:45
I've long since forgotten the movie.

It's a Vietnam thing; there's a dude that was captured by the VietCong, and he's being held in an exposed position that if the orbiting Sandies (Douglas Skyraiders) bombed it to relieve the attack, he'd be killed.

The VC let him on the radio to talk to the planes, and he said one thing:

DO IT.

That's where we're at. That's what the President should say. I'm so fucking tired of this shit; they made their bed, now fucking lie in it, assholes.



Comment by Mondobubba on 10/09/2013 13:44:34
Quote by Raine:
Quote by Mondobubba:
So, who watched "Frontline" last night? League of Denial: The NFL's Concussion Crisis.
I haven't watched it yet. I heard it was really good. That's the one with Troy Aikman telling his concussion story?



Yes, very good. Well not Aikman himself telling the story, his agent. The corporate entity that is the NFL is run by swine. Greed headed swine who will not admit that they are endangering it's players lives.

Comment by Scoopster on 10/09/2013 13:55:46
Oh for fuck's sake get this idiot off the air.

Comment by Raine on 10/09/2013 13:56:13
Road flare Mary Rose


Comment by Raine on 10/09/2013 13:56:48
Quote by Scoopster:
Oh for fuck's sake get this idiot off the air.
she was banned from calling -- so she used a fake name!


Comment by wickedpam on 10/09/2013 14:00:19
Quote by Raine:
Quote by Scoopster:
Oh for fuck's sake get this idiot off the air.
she was banned from calling -- so she used a fake name!



oh lord

that woman needs a hobby

Comment by TriSec on 10/09/2013 14:02:00
Say, there is an asschub out there. You know who you are.

Aaaaand.....Flu Vaccine! Thimerisol! My brain is melting!

: hides in corner of blog, plays with cloud :



Comment by Mondobubba on 10/09/2013 14:04:22
Quote by TriSec:
Say, there is an asschub out there. You know who you are.

Aaaaand.....Flu Vaccine! Thimerisol! My brain is melting!

: hides in corner of blog, plays with cloud :




Get Jenny McCarthy in here stat! Only her woo can save him now!

Comment by Raine on 10/09/2013 14:08:54
Quote by TriSec:
Say, there is an asschub out there. You know who you are.

Aaaaand.....Flu Vaccine! Thimerisol! My brain is melting!

: hides in corner of blog, plays with cloud :

It's that time of year!


Comment by BobR on 10/09/2013 14:11:37
Quote by Raine:
Quote by TriSec:
Say, there is an asschub out there. You know who you are.

Aaaaand.....Flu Vaccine! Thimerisol! My brain is melting!

: hides in corner of blog, plays with cloud :

It's that time of year!

been "there", done that...

Comment by Raine on 10/09/2013 14:12:19
Paul Ryan is either looking to be the next Speaker of the house -- or he's running for President -- or both. Mark my words.

I was wondering this morning why he's been so quiet with all the mess going on.

And today, we see he's got an Op-Ed in the WSJ.

From Maddow Blog:
Rep. Paul Ryan publishes an Op-Ed saying the way to fix the shutdown is for the President to negotiate. (WSJ)

Rep. Eric Cantor, too. (Wash Post)
Interesting, VERY VERY interesting.

Comment by Raine on 10/09/2013 14:13:21
What are the Odds of Walter White winning the Nobel prize for Chemistry?

Comment by Mondobubba on 10/09/2013 14:19:00
Quote by Raine:
What are the Odds of Walter White winning the Nobel prize for Chemistry?



I dunno I would hope at least an honorable mention. A participation ribbon?

Comment by Mondobubba on 10/09/2013 14:19:47
Quote by Raine:
Paul Ryan is either looking to be the next Speaker of the house -- or he's running for President -- or both. Mark my words.

I was wondering this morning why he's been so quiet with all the mess going on.

And today, we see he's got an Op-Ed in the WSJ.

From Maddow Blog:
Rep. Paul Ryan publishes an Op-Ed saying the way to fix the shutdown is for the President to negotiate. (WSJ)

Rep. Eric Cantor, too. (Wash Post)
Interesting, VERY VERY interesting.



New talking point from the Laurel and Hardy of the House.

Comment by Raine on 10/09/2013 14:20:02
Comment by Raine on 10/09/2013 14:20:51
Quote by Mondobubba:
Quote by Raine:
What are the Odds of Walter White winning the Nobel prize for Chemistry?



I dunno I would hope at least an honorable mention. A participation ribbon?



Comment by Raine on 10/09/2013 14:33:13
I call bullshit on the entire mess. Take a look at the FB page and you will see that they are just lying.

Stupid damn teabagidiots.

ETA: Inside NoVa was too lazy to link to their FB page. I'll find it myself.


Comment by TriSec on 10/09/2013 14:36:39
Oh, I ran across something disturbing this morning:


Tea-Partyers seek to unify their nation through a totalitarian state that promotes the mass mobilization of the national community, and are characterized by having a vanguard party that initiates a revolutionary political movement aiming to reorganize the nation along principles according to Tea Party ideology. Hostile to liberal democracy, socialism, and communism, Tea Party movements share certain common features, including the veneration of the state, a devotion to a strong leader, and an emphasis on ultra-nationalism and militarism. Tea-Partyism views political violence, war, and imperialism as a means to achieve national rejuvenation and asserts that stronger nations have the right to expand their territory by displacing weaker nations.


Actually, this is from our friends at Wikipedia. Just substitute 'Tea Party' for 'Fascist' throughout the article. Then try not to barricade yourself in your house with an AK-47.


Comment by Raine on 10/09/2013 14:40:24
Quote by Raine:
I call bullshit on the entire mess. Take a look at the FB page and you will see that they are just lying.

Stupid damn teabagidiots.

ETA: Inside NoVa was too lazy to link to their FB page. I'll find it myself.
BoF page.

Thier website. (turn down the volume if you click on this page, trust me.)

Inside NoVa did a really shitty job here. REALLY shitty reporting.


Comment by Raine on 10/09/2013 14:49:26
Absolutely loving this conversation about Julian Assange & wikileaks.

I swear it's about the same as I've been trying to say: What started out as something good became bad. I loved when they raised the point of who should be the dispenser of information and who should deem them responsible.

I hope they put this segment on the BoF.

Comment by Raine on 10/09/2013 14:51:17
So this happened yesterday.
Democratic Reps. John Lewis of Georgia, Luis Gutierrez of Illinois, Charlie Rangel of New York, Raul Grijalva of Arizona, Joe Crowley of New York, Jan Schakowsky of Illinois, Keith Ellison of Minnesota and Al Green of Texas were all detained by Capitol Police. The politicians, along with activists who attended an immigration rally on the National Mall Tuesday afternoon, staged a sit-in near the west side of the Capitiol.

Authorities arrested the lawmakers for crowding and disrupting the streets around the Capitol. Police arrested almost 200 people during the protest.

"We cannot rest, we cannot be satisfied until we have comprehensive immigration reform," Lewis told reporters earlier in the day.
Compare, contrast:

Snowden and Assange are in hiding. Manning is in jail.




Comment by Raine on 10/09/2013 14:54:32
After this interview, I really want to see the movie the Fifth Estate.

Comment by Scoopster on 10/09/2013 14:55:12
Comment by Raine on 10/09/2013 14:55:41
Assange is all for transparency for government but not so much for himself.

That's kinda ironic...

Comment by Raine on 10/09/2013 14:56:14
OMG -- is he really that stupid?


Comment by Mondobubba on 10/09/2013 14:57:19



Too bad they support this myth that Goldwater was integration. Goldwater voted against the 1964 Civil Right Act because he felt it infringed on property rights. Just like the Pauls, pere et filles.

Comment by Mondobubba on 10/09/2013 15:00:54



Hey, Gomer Pyle was just hick from Mayberry, NC. Louis Gohmert is just fucking stupid. Don't insult Gomer that way.

Comment by BobR on 10/09/2013 15:03:30
Quote by Raine:
OMG -- is he really that stupid?

No wonder Republicans are so anti-education - they don't want constituents that are smarter than they are.

Comment by TriSec on 10/09/2013 15:04:07
I still hope that Mr. Cheny has some kind of massive, immediately fatal medical event on live TV one day so I can see it with my own eyes.



Comment by Raine on 10/09/2013 15:05:39


ETA: This is the problem, yes -- so the only solution is for Congress to get its shit together.

HAve I mentioned that I really enjoy Cilizza?

Comment by Mondobubba on 10/09/2013 15:10:40
Scoop did you notice that Raw Story has a whole section devoted my favorite Republican Dumb-ass, Louie Gohmert.

Comment by Raine on 10/09/2013 15:11:54


Comment by Mondobubba on 10/09/2013 15:12:53
From the RationalWiki profile of Louie Gohmert:

Louie Gohmert is a Republican Representative from Texas (first elected in 2004) and an accomplished idiot. He continues Texas' long, well-deserved reputation of electing eminently stupid people to federal office. He survives by hewing as far right as he can go in an already right-wing state, including jumping on the birther train in 2009[1] and the Tea Party movement in 2010.[2] Despite getting elected year after year, as a representative, nothing he says accomplishes anything beyond wasting time, his proposed bills go nowhere, and his role on every House committee is to be a big dumb waste of space.
However, he's tolerated by the Tea Party movement[3] because he's a reliable supporter of whatever their political position du jour is, including opposing Obamacare,[4] taxes,[5][6] gun control,[7] the repeal of Don't Ask Don't Tell,[8] and the American Jobs Act stimulus bill.[9]
What makes Gohmert remarkable isn't his run-of-the-mill Tea Party positions, but rather, that he defends them with incredibly stupid reasons. Jesus hates taxes![6] Gun control will lead to beastiality![7] The American Jobs Act is an attack on marriage![9] Obama talking to BP about the 2010 oil spill is just like Hitler![10] Foreign aid to China will lead them to sell us food with cats and dogs in it![11] Oil pipelines are good for wildlife![12] Hate crimes legislation leads to necrophilia![13]


Comment by Raine on 10/09/2013 15:17:58
I'm sorry for posting so many things today, I'm using this as a repository for debunking in the very near future.

I'm so tired of people not understanding what is happening.

Comment by Raine on 10/09/2013 15:27:10
Would it be wrong of me to turn this gawker piece around and say that maybe, just maybe, because of her personal portfolio, Janet Yellen might just be the right person for the job?


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and now I must read the comments and glean gifs.




Comment by Raine on 10/09/2013 15:32:24
No gifs (so far) but this:

Oh my god, the woman selected because she is qualified enough to manage the Federal Reserve of the United States is successful, financially literate, and has a diverse and successful financial portfolio.

I should certainly hope so. Would you be happier with MC Hammer as chair of the Fed, Mister Nolan?


Comment by Raine on 10/09/2013 15:40:50
The president isn't negotiating because we don't negotiate with Terrorists. Remember that, GOP?

Let me remind them:

Comment by TriSec on 10/09/2013 15:53:25
Quote by Raine:
The president isn't negotiating because we don't negotiate with Terrorists. Remember that, GOP?




Now that's made of win. I am totally stealing that to go on FB later.



Comment by Mondobubba on 10/09/2013 15:53:50
Quote by Raine:
Would it be wrong of me to turn this gawker piece around and say that maybe, just maybe, because of her personal portfolio, Janet Yellen might just be the right person for the job?


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and now I must read the comments and glean gifs.




Gawker didn't nail that one.

Comment by Raine on 10/09/2013 15:59:31
Quote by TriSec:
Quote by Raine:
The president isn't negotiating because we don't negotiate with Terrorists. Remember that, GOP?




Now that's made of win. I am totally stealing that to go on FB later.


Steal away.

Comment by Raine on 10/09/2013 16:08:00
My Mom gives me a sad.